How Police Make Up The Law (ft. LegalEagle)
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 - 01:19 Intro
01:19 - 05:51Trying to Define Law
05:51 - 08:42 Let's Ask A Lawyer!
08:42 - 14:44 Hart's Legal Positivism
14:44 - 34:44 British Policing & the Law
34:44 - 37:43 Rules with "Open Texture"
37:43 - 41:40 Case Study - Operation Soap
41:40 - 48:56 Vague Laws
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John Austin, The Province of Jurisprudence Determined
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#police #law #cops
STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM! Nobody breaks the law on my watch! Now go to Patreon.com/PhilosophyTube or it's off to jail!
This is worse than LegalEagle's "subscribe or I'll see you in court"...
(Did you really dress as an eagle?
Now THIS is intimidation and threat.
@@BMBrooks09 also defamation maybe? don't like calling people criminals whenever one wants to lol
Elder Scrolls 4; Oblivion. And the Imperial guard are probably just as corrupt as many real cops.
Oh Noes! (Hoosecow full of guilty puppies...)
tell the cops nothing, tell the paramedics everything, your eyebrows are fine
-the three eternal truths
It seems my eyebrows defy eternity then
*Medical Professionals
Agreed
my eyebrows defy the truth
Many people get it wrong, telling the medics they "only had 1 "beer"", the police that they had 3, and then shave their eyebrows.
Would just love to see how Abigail writes her tax deductions. "The latex bikini and the black demon wings are necessary business expenses..."
I'm actually pretty sure the demon wings are leftover from the Lucifer costume in her first Jordan Peterson video!
@@maksymbykov**she** is a real trans woman. But if you actually watched the video, you'd know that, so I guess we have to assume you're just being a troll.
@maksymbykov I'd recommend not calling anyone an "it" as that's rude. Trans or cis,doesn't matter.
@@maksymbykov *She* is a woman, who is also trans. And yes, please don't call anybody (but especially trans people) "it", if you don't know someone's pronouns, just call them. Well, _they._
you don't have to write tax deductions you just deduct them
Not being even ALLOWED to fire/remove unquestionably criminal cops is so insanely terrifying.
I mean, that's just taking the word of the top cop.
I live in Australia. In the last 20 years,law makers in this country have gone into overdrive creating laws on top of laws to show the citizenry they are doing their job and need to be re-elected for us to remain safe. Not even the enforcement officers can keep up at times. Today most law officers are just extensions of the governments revenue raising programs and have not much time or interest in keeping the peace or solving petty crimes that seems to be increasing as people struggle more to feed themselves. If you drive a vehicle in Australia and you live in an area known for mainly employed people living there, you are the governments No.1 targetted demographic for revenue raising. Employed people are more likely to pay traffic fines because they need to keep fines to a minimum to keep their licences and by extension , keep their job. Policing in Australia is mainly about traffic cops making traffic stops, 'KPI's, and governmental personnel's personal security,rather than real policing. I see videos from other countries where people question the officer issuing a ticket. Not in Australia. If you even think about questioning an officer while they are writing you a ticket you will be bombarded with more tickets because in their eyes it's showing disrespect.
The craziest thing about policing in Australia is that the public is now extremely docile and obedient because of the amount of laws police have at their fingertips. The power they possess over the citizenry is mind bending. Seeing an officer approach your vehicle because you didn't come to a complete stop at the last 'Stop sign' with a gun, Taser, baton, nasal sprays and whatever else is on their utility belt just shows the arrogance of our government how it views it's No.1 cash cow. The working citizens.
Good luck getting police to take an interest in a neighbour who you can identify as stealing your lawn mower to bother going past giving you a form to fill out. You gotta feel some sympathy for the people who join the police force to help society,only to realise they are the uniformed enforcement arm of our governmental tax collection agency.
That is why ACAB because they keep the bad ones while the ones who are trying to do good is being overwhelmed by the bad ones so in turn, the majority of cops are bad. So ACAB.
Not just terrifying, but a great way to grow a bunch of corruption. D: The "what do you mean you're not supported?" question was very much a "I would call that the wrong kind of support."
It makes you think...what if there was a teammate on my who was known for raping or physically abusing clients and/or other teammates...and then that person could get sacked and then rehired. That seems like a massive, bloody hole in the whole 'let's have a safe and ethical work environment' social contract of a good work situation.
"Unquestionably" is leading and also curious your definition of criminal
At 40:30 I just wanna say something.
I was a teenager (still exploring my gender identity and sexuality) walking home from school, when I was stopped by a cop for and I quote "Looking like a wh*re". I was 15. I was wearing a pair of jeans, a scoop necked tee, and my walking sneakers. I had on my school bag with cute stickers and anime characters. He asked me to unzip my bag and empty the contents to prove there were no drugs. He called back-up and they cornered me about 50-ft from my parents' home. I told them repeatedly I was a minor, and that I knew they couldn't ask me questions without my legal guardian present, and they proceeded with threatening me with arrest.
I showed them my school ID which had all my identifying info (my birthdate, full name, grade level, and SS#). After they asked me, what felt like, 40,000 questions about my personhood and where I was going, and why I was on the street so late in the evening (it was 7 PM and I had stayed afterschool for extracurricular activities), I was allowed to leave. They snickered behind me, high-fived, and stared after me.
The officer who had performed the original stop had gotten my phone number after demanding it out of me under threat of arrest. I never got a call from anyone, but my parents' also continued to let me walk home. I saw that officer almost everyday on my way home. He cat-called me a few dozen times.
You may be asking what about me made him stop me. May it have been my shirt being too low, my jeans too tight, the way I walked maybe... no. He stopped me because I had massive breasts for my age. After filing a report, demanding to see his report of the incident, and requesting bodycam footage, I now know that he thought I was a college girl. He wanted my number so he could call me for a "hook-up". I saw his wedding band that day. He didn't care I was a minor. He didn't care about what I had to say. He chose to stop me on the side of the road. Not because he was following the law, but because he felt he should.
His report claimed that I was waving my hands and jumping up and down to shake my breasts and distract traffic. I was walking home, head down, listening to music on my phone.
It’s disgusting you had to go through that and have your time wasted by that jerk.
Your experience is unfortunately all too relatable-just about all of my female friends and I agree that we got way more unwanted male attention and advances at age 15 than at 25.
Insecure men like that often assume teens are completely naive and will worship the ground he walks on for some reason. It’s good to hear that you knew better and knew your right to have guardians present (though it sounds like he searched you without a warrant and probably wrote that you “volunteered” to because a lot of people don’t realize they can say no and demand to see a search warrant even if the cop is being coercive)
I'm so sorry you had to go through that loves :( 💗💗
Absolutely fucking sick pervs, so sorry u had to go through that at such a young age.
That is deplorable and disgusting, I hope you don't have to deal with anything like that again
Which is why ACAB is a thing.
I don’t doubt that there are members of the police force who genuinely want to “serve and protect”, but whilst ever they are tacitly supporting the few (90% of the force, it seems) “bad apples”, they are a part of the problem.
LegalEagle being held in captivity by a demon lawyer just makes so much sense.
He’s gonna need Scowl Owl to argue him out of his contract
He has always seemed suspiciously handsome
@@mavand4476 it's a common mistake. Devils are the lawyers and ones who make deals, demons on the other hand are the agents of chaos.
@@tatianar9429 Pretty sure that is just D&D that has that specific distinction between the two. Even wizards of the coast isn't consistent though because their other IP of Magic the Gathering has it the other way around.
@@Nyundaa that was the joke
“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” ― Anatole France
God that is such a good quote.
What a guy Anatole was :)
"Punishable by fine" = "Legal for rich people".
Well they didn’t know about America apparently
Damn that quote slaps
Sudden Death in restraints syndrome sounds like "Idk. These people kept dying but since finding out why would require to investigate our behaviour and the situation, and godforbid that, we just think the wind did it and call it a day"
It reminds me of the word "hysteria" or that one diagnosis racist slave owners made up that basically aquates to "running away disorder"
God, as a healthcare worker that phrase rattled me to my bones. That diagnosis doesn't exist - that person was _murdered_ .
@@fevre_dream8542 I'm pretty sure anyone with any sort of medical training would raise an eyebrow at that one. I know I certainly did the first time I heard it. My exact reaction was "Wow, that sounds like actual bs."
The cause of these deaths has been known since the 90’s. It’s called “positional asphyxia” (in the US anyway), and cops used to get training on how to avoid causing it inadvertently. Sometime in the mid 2000’s positional asphyxia disappeared from cop rhetoric, and unexplained in-custody deaths started to be blamed on “excited delirium” (which doesn’t exist) a medical condition which is effectively identical to positional asphyxia, but conveniently absolves cops of all wrongdoing or negligence. Btw, positional asphyxia is the method by which George Floyd was murdered, among several other victims.
"Kneel down. Bend over. Put on these cat ears."
This needs to be a real law, with no real way to follow it or break it but it's just there
i wouldn't mind if someone enforced it on me tbh
if you don't do it without having a good reason to not do it, you get taxed an extra prosent.
It is enforced by the authority given to Abigail by a paddle, a whip, and a chastity device.
I'm already doing that rn
"These are commands. These are expressions of desire and they are backed up with threats of force."
One time my partner was violently assaulted and threatened with a knife on the way to work. We called the police who told us to go to where it happened and request the CCTV footage ourselves, then e-mail it to them.
I didn’t realise we’d been recruited onto the police force!
Just like when I went to the police station to report my ex partner’s stalking me for months, and the officer all cutsey said “yeah, that’s sad, go home and write all the story down and come back”. Didn’t know I had to be the one to do all the work with the report. 🤦🏻♀️
And people complain about self-checkout kiosks...
@karmica7591 I'm really glad I'm in cybersecurity so I know how to find, research, collect and analyze information and I know human psychology so I can be very persuasive when want/need to be.
Its sad that cops themselves won't do it.
Depending on where you live, that is definitely tax dollars going to waste due to piggy laziness
@@Kas_Styles would you mind sharing how your day-to-day work in cybersecurity + human psychology plays into those skills?
as a career Public Defender in the US, i can say that the only crimes about 90% of my clients have committed is being poor and lacking access to services like health care and housing.
public defenders.... along with protesters the real modern american heroes. thank you for your service 💚💚💚💚
Thank you for doing what I'm quite certain is often thankless and woefully underpaid work.
@@pnutqpublic thanks. i am fortunate to have the career i do.
thank you for doing what you do your work is very important
Imagine being convicted of “poverty” by the judge 😢😢😢
19:12 "One time during a protest I was thrown to the ground by a policeman wearing a rainbow Pride pin. I paused midair to appreciate the irony" Absolute Legend Lass right here.
I remember realising how vague police powers are when I was filming a documentary at a protest and I was stopped and searched for "suspicious photography of buildings or infrastructure". I believe this was intended to be about photographing infrastructure re planning bomb attacks (?). So, you can see how that phrasing and police power is basically completely open to them claiming any video or photographic activity is "suspicious". Of course, there was no doubt the cop was just playing with power as they followed me around, stepped on my foot, shoulder barged me multiple times and would then apologise. I think the tactic was to get me to respond with a push so they could arrest me for assaulting an officer and then using my footage. Thankfully, I kept a cool head. When they searched me and my assistant I said I wanted to film them searching her and and reached for my camera bag. He yelled "he could have a weapon!" and they all drew their weapons on us. I was very afraid. After the search (they found nothing of legal note) was when they were following us and tripping us etc etc. After the anxiety wore off my assistant and I went to get an ice-cream and giggled as we lapped up our ice creams and waved at the two cars and 6 cops they had following us. Anyway, words like "suspicious" included in laws just opens up SO much opportunity for abuse of power. Who says what behaviour is suspicious? How do you take a photo in urban areas without including infrastructure or a building? Anyway. That's one of my experiences with imprecise wording of rules and cops being real smart about trying to use what would be considered regular behaviour (yelling at or pushing someone that is following you and stepping on you and shoulder bashing you and your friend) in order to get their way. Could very easily have stopped a film being made. 37:21
TL;DR some cops used laws intended to stop terrorism to bully me and my friend.
This shit terrifies me cuz I don’t exactly know if this is connected to any of my conditions but my stepdad does the same stuff where he will explicitly make fun of me and shit like that to get me to get mad enough to push him or something so he can tackle me and I know I wouldn’t be able to stop myself from trying to stop a cop from doing something blatantly unjust especially since I am autistic and will absolutely fight back and try to get out of being tackled or held down and probably get myself killed
Did you end up making the documentary and if so where can I find it?
It makes me very nervous hearing people insist they're experts at reading body language. Because the cues they list as signs of guilt or deception align with how I act as an autistic person in public.
In their eyes, the fundamental way I move through the world with my fidgeting and inconsistent eye contact is an admission of guilt.
I think the only reason this hasn't caused problems for me is because I'm white and middle class.
I'm the exact same and yes, I came to the same conclusion, which is disheartening.
Same here. As an autistic, feminine-presenting AFAB person, I was recently harangued for quite an inordinate amount of time at an airport while on holiday with my partner (very typical white cishet man), who was not questioned at all going through border control. I told my mum about the experience and she reckons I got profiled as a trafficking victim/prostitute 😬
I’m university-educated. I’m getting a master’s degree. I just have the misfortune of not being white and being very nervous around people, especially when it’s things like travel and border control. I was genuinely worried I’d be deported.
I'm so incredibly nervous around authority figures even if I have "no reason" to be. I'm a white masc presenting guy and I still side eye/try not to stare or look suspicious at every cop or security guard I come across.
(Also probably somewhere on the ND spectrum but unconfirmed)
As someone who's both on the fringes of autistic, and who's studied books on body language, any responsible person who studies this stuff should also be acutely aware of the grey area involved and not make definitive judgements.
I once had to body block a cop who was responding to someone calling the cops on my autistic friend having a panic attack…. I’m female, white and tiny - he is tall and mixed race. We are both neurodivergent.
It took HOURS to explain and even then the officer had to do something so he drove us to the schools therapy center (my friends personal therapist was already on the way, in part because the last time this had happened he had been tazed and forcibly institutionalized)
My intervention made that particular day a Best Case Scenario. And still the trauma from that day and being reminded of it when we were together would eventually drive a wedge between our friendship.
You know something needs to change when the best case is still bad. Defunding isn’t the answer we need a full fire, rehire (with community input and interviews) AND community integration for officers where they have positive interactions with the people in the area they protect. That has been shown to reduce crime, reduce police brutality and increase job satisfaction. It’s literally a win win win, but it takes more work than people want to do….
People: A quarter of population suffers from anxiety.
Police: Being anxious is a sign of a crime.
We're all criminals in the eyes of the state, it's all about whether or not they feel like enforcing it at any given time
The police: tased a guy who was in a moment of suicidal crisis standing on the edge of a building, causing him to fall to his death
Also the police: why do we make people anxious?
I've been searched for seeming anxious before, and I've been stopped for driving anxiously (not illegally by any means). though that last one didn't end in a search because I said to the cop "DO YOU WANT TO SEARCH MY CAR?" (in like a 'did I stutter?' tone) and the dude's brain broke a for a second I swear.
I'm so obviously ADHD that now I'm gonna be anxious to look around a bunch like I normally do
Apparently civies can't have an eye for detail, only cops can have that!
Also police: "Being police is an extremely stressful job that causes a lot of anxiety...Wait! Does that makes us criminals then? Oh, that makes sense now. Now I see it. NOW! I see it."
22:46 its depressing how the physical indicators of "criminal activity" as donnelly puts it are literally 1-to-1 descriptions of symptoms of paranoia and anxiety, characteristic of SO MANY mental disorders. its like they arent even trying to hide the fact that most of the people who the police target are just mentally unwell
The question raised is also who is mentally unwell? Poor people and people of colour are less likely to receive treatment for mental health conditions, in part because of cultural things (POC are less likely to trust in all kinds of medical institutions because of the way they were treated historically) and because of how poverty is intertwined with race. So its just more of an excuse to target harassment at POC and poor people. It's intersectionality all the way down
Fun Fact: a drug dealer I knew voted Conservative because their cuts made his job easier.
Vote for your interests to the max
I mean, he’s doing what leftists say they want ppl to do: vote for their interests
If he voted labour then they would give his customers more of my money, so he could raise his prices and make more money. Clearly as a drug dealer he wasn't that smart
where did he find a conservative to vote for (or really, anyone to vote for) that wasn't "tough on crime"/pro police budget expansion. hard to find someone from either party that is willing to take that stance
@girlboss12345 in the UK, the Tories are much more ideological about economics. As in, if the state pays for it, cut it to within an inch of its life. Includes cops, fire brigades, healthcare, schools, waste disposal, everything. Our conservatives cut the police budget massively, meaning that dealer is waaaay less likely to get caught.
I stutter, so every interaction I’ve ever had with law enforcement has been completely unfair when I have been alone without my attractive wife. The first time I got a speeding ticket, the fog was so thick that visibility was near zero. A car was passing me but I got pulled over by a cop who radared “me” without actually seeing me. I wasn’t speeding, but my inability to answer basic questions without uncontrollably stuttering was enough to convince the cop that I committed the traffic violation. The trend continued until my trust in all police was completely eroded. Now I won’t speak to them at all under any circumstance.
This right here is all the explanation you need to understand why police systematically discriminate against autistic people.
@@yurigagarin9765lmao bro not all people who stutter are autistic. Also this one case doesnt prove police discriminate against all autistic people. It's TRUE they are likelier to be discriminated against but making statements like this torwards one case only makes our position look worst
@@jedicraftmaster2426that's not at all what they said.
@@jedicraftmaster2426 He didn't say that people who stutter are autistic, and he didn't say that the anecdote proves anything. It EXPLAINS why that discrimination occurs because - as highlighted from 22:54 in the video - police officers often use their discretion and 'instincts' from sometimes suspicious or sometimes merely atypical social queues (and of course sometimes outright prejudice) to frame their application of the law as they see it.
Did you go to court or did you just take the L on the citation? Just curious how that turned out
I always laugh when people respond to anti-police sentiments with some variation of "bet you'll change your tune when someone does a crime against you", when everyone I know who is anti-police is so explicitly because they've repeatedly watch crimes against them swept under the rug while the cops instead spend their time beating up black teenagers and peaceful protestors. When I was a kid I watched my mother call the police on my father who was threatening her and his own life, and the cop threatened to arrest my mom if she ever called the cops over domestic abusive situation again, threatened to arrest me for physically standing up to my father, then left.
Yep. It's almost always the folks who boast they've "never had dealings with the police" who have the most positive opinion of them. People who've actually been victims of crime, especially sexual assaults and domestic abuse, tend to have a more realistic view of the policing system and the people working within it.
Yep. Over and over again, the police have shown me that they will not offer help when I need it, and they'll make my life more difficult if they're involved in it in any way.
What you want is not anti police tho. You just want them to do the job they supposed to do. Which is actually pro police which means police should get better education,screening and disipline along with proper wages. In short we dont need this kind of police does not mean we dont need police. This is a systemical problem. The framework is not the problem(which is polices existence) but the inside the framework is a problem wheter it is caused by corruption, nepotism in law making part,low education low dicipline lack of psychopatic screening,no consequences for crimes among police,low wages etc.
@@exosproudmamabear558 nah. The main takeaway here is that the police simply are not there to help us. No amount of funding changes that.
@@exosproudmamabear558we don't need police. They are fundamentally evil. We don't need evil. We need another way.
"stop and search" was common practice in New York City, though we called it "stop and frisk". But it was essentially the same thing. But here's the problem. It wasn't actually done in the whole city. It was practiced in certain boroughs, and not others. And those certain boroughs were traditionally inhabited by black people. So while a guy working in Queens, making $40K/year might get stopped and searched for no reason at all, a guy working on Wall Street would never be searched. Mayor Rudy Giuliani (you might have heard the name more recently) decided where these searches took place, and they were always in poor, primarily minority neighborhoods.
The practice finally ended. Not because of any spark of enlightenment, mind you. But because a judge ordered the city to stop and frisk *everywhere* . Rudy decided to end the practice entirely rather than have to stop and frisk rich white kids on their way to school, or rich guys working Wall Street. That's how we found out the practice was entirely just another way to kick minorities in the teeth. And for no other reason than pure spite and malice.
anti drug laws period were created to attack groups of people the president didnt like (hippies, commies, and black people). it succeeded, now America has the most prisoners on the planet, and the vast majority of them were imprisoned for low level, nonviolent drug crimes.
When I was about ten years old, I brought a Swiss Army knife to school out of edginess. It was a mistake I chose to make - but part of why I remember it so clearly is because about a month after the incident a police officer showed up on our doorstep and came into the house to lecture me about bringing weapons to school, all while his hand was resting on his belt decked out with a taser and gun as he stood in our house blocking our front door and with a straight view of our back door. I barely remember what he said. All I remember was nodding silently trying to get him to leave.
When I started working my first job outta high school at a coffee shop, the police officer from my high school came in for a coffee and we started chatting about jobs. He made an off hand joke about "meeting quotas" that went something like "sometimes I go out for my shift and decide 'hm, I think I'm gonna pull over red cars today'." I laughed and was like "oh, is that how it works?" His entire demeanor changed and he suddenly went real quiet. After that, any time he came in, he made a point of not discussing his cop work anymore with me. I think about that whenever I see someone pulled over by a cop.
Wow.
every time a cop asks me for almond milk in his coffee, i give him whole.
@@biggestastiest chaotic good
i used to work at starbucks and a bunch of my coworkers would give away free drinks to cops. not me. they always acted so shocked i wouldn’t
@@princesspeach6990Good on you
"speaking only for myself as an L, not G, maybe B, notorious T" that absolutely made my day.
When I was little my brother and I got lost in a giant subburb of exactly identical houses and couldn't find my way back, we found this nice Mexican lady who let us use her phone to call the police. This guy was the biggest chode I've seen in a while. My brother is autistic and I was literally 12, suffer from anxiety and panic disorder and at that moment panicked to tears . He repremanded us for not showing proper respect to a police officer by standing ram rod straight and calling him sir and not boring him with my panicked rambling. I was a kid who didn't know that this wasn't a normal way for an adult to act and legitimately worried would leave if I didn't comply. He made me feel actually embarrassed that I wasn't standing at attention like 'oh I had no idea I was supposed to be doing that, I hope he doesn't get mad' .He made my brother get of his scooter and stand at attention next to me. He got us in the car and immediately threatened that I couldn't point the way home within five minutes he was going to jump drop us off at Foster care because he had better things to do, yes he said that. Of course I was a hysterical 12 year old completely broken down and sobbing in the back of a cop car. Luckily I spotted a cactus that looked familiar and was doubly lucky that my hunch was right and that that was the way home. My brother and I would've been orphans because we pissed off a pig before his lunch break. 🐖 🍩 😈
what's interesting to me about "sudden death in restraint syndrome" is that the situation leading up to it (vigorous exercise suddenly stopped) actually led me to faint for the first time, just the other day. I have naturally low blood pressure, and I read afterwards that not cooling down properly after a workout can led to a drop in blood pressure, so that is why I think I fainted. Not sure if fainting can kill you, but if I was being forced to stand up in that situation, I probably would have fully lost consciousness. Perhaps it's like an urban myth, based off a few real situations like mine?
It's a myth, but one made by the police. It has no basis in reality and is just an easy "legal" loophole they have to avoid responsibility when they kill you.
Also if a person faints while being arrested it could be seen as "resisting arrest" and thus lead to more violence... Or to them not receiving medical care for things they otherwise would have if they were conscious or in another setting where their health and safety is prioritized.
It's because the veins in your legs can't pump blood back up fast enough into the heart and therefore the head when not moving. But the heart rate is still up, so a lot more blood is being pumped into your legs that can return, which drops blood pressure in the rest of the body. That's why cooling down is necessary, to keep the blood moving while getting your heart rate down at a controlled pace. Hope this explains why!
"sudden death in restraints syndrome"
imagine working in a restaurant and just on the spot saying "nah man, that was wild steak just incinerated itself syndrome" I didn't burn it, very sad, many such cases.
Yeah, it just happens sometime when you leave a steak next to a very hot object such as a a stove or oven. Completely natural phenomenon with no human culpability
Still better than the "Sudden death because of to delicious food syndrome" when it is 100% not the hygene violations fault.
@@mergele1000there’s a phenomenon called “sudden death from lack of oxygen while eating food” syndrome, or SDFLOWEFS. It happens all the time, it’s completely unrelated to what people call “choking”
Never be shocked by the lengths denial will go to, to explain away the inconvenient truth.
This one time, a police officer hit me on my bicycle, crumpling the wheel, and he claimed that I violated the law by 'running a red light' when my state has a right on red law, and he was the one who pushed me into the intersection. Also called me a bunch of slurs and sexually assaulted me. Naturally the police investigated themselves and found no wrongdoing.
I'm so sorry about this!
This just kept getting worse and worse I’m so sorry
How dare you be in the right when a cop is wrong, 30 days in the hole for you.
The cop was embarrassed because of his boner, so he blamed you rather than admit he was in the wrong. Yep happens all the time, this is what the power of the badge does to some people. If he happened to be wearing a camera or the vehicle he was driving had one you could've subpoenaed the footage to prove he was the bone head, but the time & effort might not be worth it.
Hope everything is alright now & ya got your wheel fix. Keep an eye out for the police as Bob Seger is known to advise. Very believable story.
That was an excuse for them to detain me and then run my identity through corrosion by force. (Command). In the U.S. it's illegal for police to stop and detain you if there is no crime? They make one up!👹
I didn't know you were trans! This is great! This is genuinely one of my favorite things that's happened to me a couple times. Where I enjoy the content/media a woman produces and then I learn she's a trans woman like me. It makes me really happy to see.
Honestly, Trixie is probably my fave persona/character. I'm sure that says something about me as a person, and I refuse to examine further at the present time.
Every time Abigail says, "If you're very clever, you'll have already...", I'm sitting in suspense waiting to see if I've thought of the thing that will make me clever.
And I never have. I am not very clever.
You’re not alone buddy.
Sometimes I say to myself “it’s all because of the language barrier, I’m sure”, but I know I am lying to myself 🥲
Makes me feel like a good student no matter what I was thinking
Me neither.
Me either. One time, I thought of a completely different thing that I thought was just as good, though! It had to do with "But who decides what trans people's medical rights are and why are they the ones who decide them?" during the Catch 22 video.
You'll be very clever one day. I believe in you.
I remember the incident of a British undercover cop who married a suspect and fathered two children with her. At that time, he was married and had children with his legal wife. IIRC he got promoted for his commendable efforts in maintaining his cover.
The suspect's crime: Animal rights activism.
Do you have a name or source? Id love to read more about this, sounds wild
Gotta second that request, gimme them deets please
There's a Wikipedia page on it titled 'UK undercover policing relationships scandal' (not sure if links will get my comment removed). It came to light in 2010 and focused on an officer named Mark Kennedy, though he wasn't the only one and this was apparently a pattern. I remember it was a very high-profile news item in the early 10s, and there still hasn't been any meaningful reform.
I remember reading about that on BBC and Guardian, it was shocking.
Just read up on this, what the fuuuuck
My best police/cultural studies moment occurred after learning about Althusser and the concept of 'interpellation,' from which I learned the basis of police power is, in the first instance, a matter of recognising myself as the subject of their authority. I was riding my bike on the sidewalk in Toronto. Rotund, breathless cop shouts, "Hey you!" I kept pedalling slowly and thought, 'I don't recognise myself as the subject of this call.' It felt very good. It still feels good. It occurs to me all my best moments in life are victimless crimes
There's something sobering about someone feeling fine acting basically on vibes to stop and search random strangers, with the threat of violence and the full force of the law behind him, while I feel like I have to worry about being seen as paranoid if I just want to leave someone alone and avoid them because of vibes.
An unfortunate truth today is "If you don't like the law, get a better lawyer"
*be rich enough to afford a better lawyer
@@leandervr
Be rich enough to buy lobbyists to buy politicians*
@@i-love-comountains3850 I mean that's if you want to change a law, not if you just don't want it to apply to you. The latter is much easier and cheaper
Only the rich can afford a personal lawyer.
The rest of us actually work for a living... and try to not be noticed by the pigs
I actually learned a lot a law on the fly while I was a street kid in Boston gettin inta dust ups'. Then I met this guy who looked like Ms. doubtfire and I realized it wasn't my fault and left
“My services cost 500 dollars… and I’m also a lawyer” had me dying 💀💀
fun fact: lawyers do charge more per hour.
Yeah, that was cheeky. Abigail is such a great writer.
This Video gives a me strong reminder of a very important lesson I had to learn.
I am straight, white, male, my family is educated and wealthy and I reached the top 10% of the income bracket in my country of residence in my early 20s.
I am from an educated, liberal, left leaning family. Feminism and LGBTQ rights, the equality of everyone no matter gender, race or sexual orientation in my mind was the natural order and any exception was a shocking scandal. A Singular, exceptional shocking scandal.
My lived reality was an egalitarian wonderland. I didn't experience discrimination and in the wealthy, liberal, left leaning circles I frequented, that was also not a thing.
Imagine my surprise when I learned from people not in that bubble what life was like if you are not wealthy, white, straight and a man.
I just didn't know... cause in my World discrimation didn't fucking happen. Certainly not systemically.
It took getting into the LGBTQ community via two friends of mine to get that reality check, which I am utterly grateful for.
Because I was in a way Part of a problem. Not experiencing discrimination myself and not seeing it happen to my peers left me utterly ignorant of the deep rooted problems society still has. Which meant, in my ignorance, I didn't do anything proactively. I only reacted on the two occassions I did see such behaviour. Just reacting is not enough in my view.
I myself was a living example how you can have your heart in all the right places and still be part of the problem.
That wording reeks of internalized irrational guilt, please go get some help.
@@boxcarz If you had the intelect to understand, you would know that its merely realistic. But you are some Kind of simp for whom "understanding" or "reflection" are alien concepts.
I remember hearing "it's not enough to be 'not racist' you need to be 'anti-racist'" and I feel like that relates to what you're talking about
@@boxcarzwhat are you, a cop?
@@boxcarz Your wording reeks of internalised irrational white/male fragility, please go get some education.
The fact that you are too weak to admit to yourself that, just because you have problems, it doesn't mean other people can't be even worse off, does not make you cool. Last time I checked, weakness is not considered cool. It makes you pathetic. It makes you immature. Your weakness is not something to brag about, it's something to be ashamed of.
its worth noting, about 25 minutes in on the stop and search segment, theres a technicality where as a police officer, finding nothing is a good thing, because it means "you're doing your job well" or whatever subtle tangentially related excuse you want. And finding something bad is also good because it means well, you did your job, obviously.
There is no negative outcome in performing a stop and search, only a positive one.
I really love how consistently Abigail sticks with the dictionary joke.
Caught me off guard there, bc this time it was the only one and towards the end of the video.
It’s a requirement for every video to include atleast one dictionary joke
@@OscarHazeGamingthere were two dictionary jokes, one right at the start about the definition of law, and one at the end about the definition of lesbianism
I hate it bc it's a bad joke. Love her vids in general. Just that one bit is always icky
Gotta love a running gag
The whole talk of "police using 'instinct' to sus out a criminal" talk had me actually in chills, as someone with neurological disorders that cause me to display the same kind of symptoms cited as "things that can help spot a criminal." Like. Yes. Im fully (and unfortunately practically) aware that that kind of ableism happens frequently. But to hear officers proudly speaking of it as a feature, and not a symptom of a problem will never not be chilling to me.
There seriously needs to be human rights legal protection for disabled people especially when it comes to interactions regarding police.
At least a guaranteed social services worker that is able to calm disabled people down.
But most importantly there needs to be way more evidence needed then "looks sus" when trying to search a disabled person. Cause a lot of them really do not like being searched even if they've got nothing to hide. They really don't like being touched or forced to do something they don't like.
But most importantly end the drug war ASAP! It's literally just an evil demonic war waged for the sole purpose of making people suffer for no reason!
agreed
im neurodivergent, i do things most "law abiding citizens" wont do, im extremely anxious and have random spikes of paranoia while im out
they hardly get any mental health awarness training, but theyre trusted to find a criminal based on their behaviour? nuh uh
Even we banned that 'stop and frisk' crap in the US, I can't believe they're still doing it there.
@@kingofbirdsmost of them have mental illnesses as well
A famous case of law being not very good at punishing people adequately in my country (Chile) is the Penta case or Pentagate. Penta Security was a company sued for tributary fraud. The two owners Alberto Délano and Carlos Lavín were sentenced to ATTEND A BUSINESS ETHICS CLASS (they stole around 2000 million between 2009 and 2010 alone) (in dollars thats 2.12 million stolen in 2 years) (they probably stole more before 2009 and after 2010 but the police pretends they have no way of obtaining more information). Also there were charges for many other crimes that were mysteriously dropped for some reason.
Also the people who violated human rights during the dictatorship are still in political charges and ceos of the biggest companies in the country, while the disappearance, torture and murder cases from the dictatorship are not investigated. I wonder why. Its almost like we had our dictator as chief commander of the military and then as a senator for years AFTER the dictatorship "ended", and he made a fucking LAW that says you cant investigate any cases from 1973 to 1989...... i wonder who was in charge between those years...
Oh holy smokes, this is my first viewing of your channel. You are amazing! This was super informative, and extremely entertaining.
I'm a giant hulking cis-(mostly)het white guy who has spent most of my adult life working as a bouncer/doorman/cooler. A lot of my gigs were at LGBT-oriented venues. Bigots and cops always assume I'm one of them, which allows me to better protect my customers and friends from them. Especially since in my city, there are several cops that used to be notorious white supremacist gang members.
"My services are $500 an hour... and I'm also a lawyer" instant follow
After watching this video I'm so glad I found her channel
Welcome!
@@PhilosophyTube ah thank you! I spent all of last night binging your videos. I took philosophy in uni for a bit before health issues got in the way but I've always enjoyed it and I just really love how thoroughly you examine these different arguments and the discourse around them. You're doing a fantastic job!
UK resident. Somebody broke into the water supply of a nearby apartment and poured turpentine into it, poisoning the water for the whole building. The police were called. They said there were no cameras so the crime would be too hard to solve and they dropped the case. Hundreds of elderly residents couldn't use the water for a week. That was my last straw with the police
They told someone I know to get a camera as there was no evidence of a crime that happened in the same manner as you, so they couldn't do anything. So they got a camera, the crime happened again but this time it was committed by relatives of the first criminals, but this time they had it on film full front on face shots, they refused to do anything about it. They wrote an email complaining that they had essentially bought a costly camera and that they now complied with what they had asked and why weren't they doing anything about it. So they got no reply. 🙃 It feels like the country is a ship listing at sea piloted by a deceased or absentee captain and everyone on board is dying of scurvy whilst M ogg throws the last pallette of lemons overboard because nanny and his son Rectangle are offended by the colour yellow or some bs. Deeply insane nation.
not sure what's more sickening, the person who could do something like that or the police for ignoring it
US resident here. About 10 years ago I had a customer steal my phone at work. We had video proof of them stealing it, their name and credit card info, license plates and a picture of the phone being located at their house
Police refused to use any of the information given to them and dropped the case.
About 8 years later same thing happened with somebody hitting my car with their door HARD numerous times. Nothing happened again despite the video evidence and the lady even admitting it.
Ok but what could they possibly do?
@@BruceNJeffAreMyFlies charge them for a felony since the phone was over $500. Or just made them give me my phone back which is all I wanted. As for the car they could have made them pay for the damage to my car. Was slightly dented and had a lot of pain come off.
I'm not sure what you guys did but your community management is either amazing, or you found a niche where even with a million views, thw comment section is so overwhelmingly positive and actually on topic that even doom scrolling is impossible.
Did you cracked the code on what keywords only horrible comments use to rule them out with a filter? Or did the horrible people not find the video yet and the 1 million views are genuinely all subscribers and fans? That would be amazing.
I think most people who leave blue lives matter troll shit are dumdums who don't usually watch 45min videos, not even to troll
They have a really good mod team, as far as I can tell. Trans people, especially openly trans women, get some vile comments so they've got to go through and get rid of the a-holes to keep things civil.
not even 10 minutes into the video yet, but i just have to say: i absolutely LOVE the production value and humor in the introduction, it reeled me into the video almost instantly. and i dont even have the critical thinking skills necessary to think about philosophy too hard
I live in the United States where police routinely target African Americans. For me it started in high school where my new Audi my parents bought me ended up getting searched in school with drug dogs because they supposedly got a tip that I may have drugs or firearms in my car. I was the only black kid at that school and it was humiliating. Everyone saw my car getting searched by drug dogs. I had the 2nd highest GPA in that school but they still thought I was a drug dealer. The day before this search, a teacher asked me who did the car belong to. I told her it was mine. Then she tells me it looks like a drug dealer's car. I ignored her stupid comments and went about my day. It's not a coincidence that my car got searched the day after her comments.
The police called me out of class and treated me like some kind of gang leader. I knew I did nothing wrong but I was absolutely terrified.
Here it's very common for racists to use the police to harass black people, and most of the time law enforcement is very happy to play that role. In cases like that, the law is just a tool to enforce a social hierarchy. My humiliation was the price I paid for being a black kid with a car that my white teacher and the white police officers could not afford.
What did they say when nothing was found?
@@LDrosophila damnit I really wanted to trip balls tonight!
What kind of car looks like a "drug dealer's"? what???????
@@Montrana Any foreign car driven by someone black I guess. That was probably her criteria.
@LDrosophila I had to wait in the principal's office while they searched my car in the parking lot. When they were done they brought my keys back and told me to go back to class. They didn't apologize and didn't tell me the results of the search. When I got to my car to go home I couldn't believe the condition they left it in. They had all of my glove compartment contents on the floor. There were dirty dog paw prints on my seats and on the outside of the front doors. I had a bag of snacks sitting in the back of my car and they emptied the bag and left the contents scattered on the floor and in the back seat.
I was so scared when I was sitting in the office waiting for the search to be over, but when I saw what they did to my car I was angry.
My parents were beyond angry when I got home and told them what happened. . They were livid. They wanted to take legal action against the school and the police but I begged them not to. I just wanted to forget it ever happened. They didn't take legal action but they did get the principal to resign. He called me to his office the day after the search and apologized to me. I listened to what he had to say, then got up and left without saying a word. His apology didn't feel genuine to me. It felt like he was trying to save his job.
I 10000% support Abby continuously slipping kinky innuendos in her vids
"my services cost 500 dollars an hour... and I'm also a lawyer ;)"
is it still innuendo if you're in a latex caution tape outfit?
@@garbagesaltlegally we'll say yes
ngl it makes me uncomfortable but the rest of the video is usually worth it
Typical degenerate commie behavior
As a child, I grew extremely upset if any rule was broken by anyone for any reason, because to me that negated the entire point of rules. Even as late as my 30's, I always had an enormous respect and trust in the police and the rule of law. These were what defined a modern, liberal society to me.
It has taken 10 years, multiple accounts of police brutality in the news, multiple reports of statistics on the ineffectiveness of criminal prosecution, a lot of videos and more news stories on how wealth leads to an effective barrier to criminal prosecution for crimes, and videos like these...for me to admit what I now believe:
That - at best - our legal systems are an ATTEMPT at controlling crime. They are about as real as money is: a kind of collective illusion that is more or less real to you depending on who you are (and how much power/privilege you have). I think subtley referring to the law as a game is very apt. It's certainly how the wealthy and powerful seem to view it.
It's been a pretty big point of dissolutionment in my life to learn about the other side of policing. I still believe that most cops genuinely want to help people. But they're human like anyone else. They make mistakes. They make emotional calls and snap judgements. Their perceptions can get just as fooled as my own.
Abigail: "There's nothing original being made these days, it's all sequels and remakes."
Me:
If you live in America, I highly recommend reading "You Have the Right to Remain Innocent" by James Duane, as well as his talk "Don't talk to the Police". He outlines the nearly infinite ways that the police can convict innocent people of crimes they didn't commit. Thankfully, his advice is pretty simple: Don't talk to the police, and clearly DEMAND a lawyer.
the police, the tools of oppression of the government (which most countries hate their own for various reasons) poor poor policemen.
You're assuming they let you get as far as lawyer and trial. As we've seen over and over again, the police can "investigate," convict, pass judgment and inform your next of kin for anything from smoking a cigarette to having a broken tail light to lying prone with your hands above your head as ordered, begging not to be shot.
Our Enemies in Blue is another great read for anyone who wants to get angry and depressed.
@@Kurgosh1 they're not talking about trial, but the pre-trial 'investigation' phase
@@Kurgosh1Well you are right since a lot of innocent people get pressured into taking plea deals. Because they get convinced that losing a trial is inevitable and the jail time on that will be way more.
I’ve known and worked with a lot of cops, mostly in the US. A lot of them were decent enough as individuals. But nearly all of them expressed opinions similar to Donnely: cops are the good guys, therefore whatever we do is good, therefore anyone who criticizes what is do is a bad guy, QED. They also vastly overestimate their ability to spot a criminal, know when someone's lying, etc. And once they've made up their mind about something, they REALLY don't like to admit they might've been wrong because if they're fallible that calls the whole system into question...
I've also known cops and trained martial arts/MMA/BJJ with them. Every single one of them has a, "don't care, whatever it takes, I'm going to be the one who makes it home to my family" attitude, as a background with how they carry themselves daily on the job. They will be decent friends, family, training partners, etc. in person. But once they are on the job, they will kill you immediately for flinching the wrong way, just so they're the ones who make it home safe. IIIIITCHY trigger fingers just waiting for a chance to fire at somebody acting even a little sus according to their paranoid delusions.
@@seattlesoundisgrunge ok, not my experience. They do have a particular attitude and seem to like their place in the pecking order. Most are level headed though.
@@cadthunkin I'm also originally from Oklahoma btw. So that's my sample; martial artist cops from a deeply conservative state.
Never shed a tear...
@@gotmilkbutt ?
I found this channel through the LegalEagle connection right when I started HRT. What a time to be alive.
I act nervous about acting nervous. Getting arrested is so terrifying to me bc i generally act weird as a normal state. Its not something i can control
I still remember the day my professor explained that what gives governments and rulers their power is a “monopoly on violence.” Murder is bad but the government can dole out the death penalty. Slavery is illegal, except technically imprisonment is a form of slavery. Governments choose who their people go to war with. What gives them their power is their ability to choose what violence is allowed and what isn’t.
Govnernments don't have a monopoly on violence, they just have a majority market share. There is no barrier to entry on the violence market except the high likelyhood of dying
Well said. Sadly anyone that supports such systems as Government by way of voting, paying taxes, use of Government systems are equally immoral as those in the Government that they support who enact those immoral acts upon others.
The simplest way to explain this is this. If we as an individual do not have the moral right to enact harm or loss upon another then what right do we have to have to give the power to another to enact harm/loss unto another on our behalf.
In Highschool they taught us that the government gets their power from the consent of the people. Which is painfully untrue…
@@planetlovergirl4041consent can be withdrawn. Not a comfortable path. But neither is remaining compliant, eventually for all classes. Blaming "government" for the misuse of our ceded sovereign right to primal action (violence) goes nowhere useful. Rather than collective organizing to remove the class capture of that sovereign power to benefit the most violent amongst us.
Slavery in prisons is only really a third world thing, or an American thing. It doesn't really exist in first world nations outside the states.
“Laws! We know what they are, and what they are worth! Spider webs for the rich and powerful, steel chains for the weak and poor, fishing nets in the hands of the government.”
― Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
Proudhon was not perfect as a mutualist, but damn is he the most quotable anarchist and socialist when he hits it out of the park.
Reminds me of this one by Anatole France : “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.”
@@catlap44That one slaps harder than rent increase on a Tuesday.
Power abused by the powerful against the powerless.
Pierre-Joseph Proudhon; 15 January 1809, Besançon - 19 January 1865, Paris) is considered by many to be the "father of anarchism"
If you want anarchy so bad go to Haiti, it's working out great there. I like my law enforcement heavily armed and well supported
anyone else have to pause the video for a minute around 3:53 to recover their breath? i'm not typically a bottom, but that delivery...
As a game designer, on the topic i DEFINITELY suggest people to read the rules (and maybe play) an old game called Nomic. It gives people an incredible amount of insight on how and why people create laws, and ho many problematic dynamics are generated in that context.
Gotta love what Donnelly says about reading people. I have been arrested and stopped by police because of this. What did I do? Nothing. I'm autistic, have ADHD and Anxiety. I wasn't medicated at the time due to my meds being out of stock. Apparently my being anxious, not making eye contact and looking up tight made me a criminal and shifty.
As a fellow ND I hope to take down one less problem for us, I plan on being a criminal psychologist. So if I run across a fellow ND it won’t be so harsh on them. ✌️
Note: criminal psychologist do the interrogation, police usually just watch.
@@InNorwayIMaWitch We need a reformed system, not another diverse enforcer. You think you'll be free inside that system. Uh-uh, you'll be victim #1.
My dad is a paramedic and if he sees that a patient is having a breakdown and is about to be arrested by police (which will only make their breakdown worse) he will start IVs on them and make it so that the patient has to be taken to a hospital instead of jail.
In 2014 in Copenhagen, a woman called the police because she was on a train with a middle eastern man, who was carrying a large suitcase and looked encredibly nervous. He was even reading a book called "War On Terror". The police closed down the whole train network, large parts of the inner city, and started a manhunt that ended up taking several hours. The airport was even closed down at some point.
It turned out to be a student af The University of Copenhagen who was on his way to a sit-in exam where he had to bring his own printer, which was in the suitcase.
This happened to me. When the cops pulled me over, I had a breakdown from anxiety. I was mocked and brought in for questioning, Later, I was told that I shouldn't have 'acted suspiciously'. Fuck the police. ACAB.
I've gotten some funny looks (for a start) from people when I describe police activity (and the ideology of those defending it) as treating "criminals" as a fundamental type of person who laws are designed to give police (and the legal system) reason to punish instead of just anyone who commits a crime. But there's Iain Donnelly, coming right out and saying it as if it were a defense of police violence against marginalized groups. "Sure, they weren't doing anything that's officially illegal, but I could tell that they were Criminals, so I did my job by stopping them" is dystopian, but it's been the norm in policing as long as police have been a thing.
Thank you for articulating brilliantly the vague and nonverbal uneasiness reading and hearing his words gave me. Couldn't quite parse it out, but yeah. That's it exactly.
the same goes for incarcerated people
i occasionally watch shorts from an excon guy who is like the ideal model citizen, and talks about the socio-economic forces that lead people to crime. and yet of course in his comments so many people repeat "don't commit crimes then"
It's pretty funny that to Donnelly the ability to succeed at his job 16% of the time is "respectable" while 7% is bad. Imagine how little it would matter where you work if you went from failing to do your job 93% of the time to 84% of the time.
Here's police thinking in a nutshell: in the US cops say they are the "thin blue line" between good guys and bad guys. They symbolize this with a flag that shows a black background with a blue line running across it. So on either side of the blue line is black, I assume that symbolizes the "bad guys" cause black = bad, right? But where are the good guys the thin blue line protects? It's not there, because cops think everyone is a potential "perp".
What is even more insane is when cops rip off the mask around people they believe are allies and really start getting into how "criminal" is defined. US cops in particular seem to have an extra affinity for brutalized the homeless, LGBT, and people of color.
I just love the EXTREMELY powerful vibes you bring to these videos
In Greece we had 2 incidents in 2021-22 of police unhesitatingly shooting Roma people: a literal gun unloading (38 bullets) at a car that didn't stop to a police check. one of the three guys in the vehicle was killed and another heavily wounded. they supposedly had guns but it was never confirmed. a year later a 16 year old boy gets shot in the head after being car chased for not paying a 20€ gas bill.. On another note, Abi your content is gold!! Thank u for existing
Marge: "I thought you said the law was powerless!"
Wiggum: "Powerless to help you, not punish you."
Honestly? I feel like putting the "Offensive-to-CZcams" parts of this video in text, with little to no sound effects, makes the impact of what you're learning SO much more impactful - I got goosebumps several times. Amazing job as always!
The progressively louder thunder sound effects especially sent literal shivers up my spine
It does add something like an insinuation that the things being discussed are "unspeakable"
Which is poignant, for certain
Just to let you know, "[reference text] defines [concept] as [4th wall-breaking misdirect]" is one of my favorite running jokes now and I will never tire of it. Never!
4 minutes in and I'm wearing Cat ears, knocked prone, confused, horny, and scared... these educational videos have gotten very interactive :D
It's edutainment!
I appreciate the use of the uncensored words being onscreen, rather than saying things like "unaliving." It's a bit harder to listen to, but well worth it, as it gives the words the impact that they should have.
It's also necessary censorship: The ways of youtube's algorithm are intentionally mysterious, but it is known to process the auto-generated subtitles to identify video subjects that might not be advertiser-friendly and reduce their presence in recommendations.
@@vylbird8014 Necessary censorship or a vague law designed to empower it's wielders!? o_O
I know it's a result of the platform rules, but the thunderous silence during the censored words is really effective.
It's quite sad we cannot discuss r word. Or other topics in an educational context. Huge problem with the history channels.
@@monsterhunter445 This platform has a number of problems, and most of them are related to their blind and indifferent algorithm. It's the same across most social media. I got thrown in Facebook jaIl for quoting a line from a movie.
Abigale mentioned Nebula, and paid subscriptions are one way around it, or a more effective solution might be to find algorithm-free solutions like Mastodon and Peertube. Hitting them in the wallet is the only way they will pay attention.
It's criminal that "fashion" shows aren't mandated to consult you on how to make cool costumes instead of dressing everyone up like a giant golf ball or a blanket.
Thought you should know that I've been slowly using your videos to push my mom further left bc she likes the way your videos are set up
Why do you care about pushing your mom “further to the left” lmao
@@thelevelbeyondhumanBecause @martinanne2179 is a leftist? Why else?
@@thelevelbeyondhuman because leftists aren't the ones disowning their kids because of gender/sexuality or calling to eradicate oppressed groups they don't like
Here's a story about cops:
I reported a threat at a school I went to as well as who made it. The cops, when aware of this threat, never questioned that person besides asking to see their phone. They never checked to see if that person had brought a weapon either. That person then bragged about all of this and that there had been literal evidence on it when the cops looked at it. They were never charged for the threat. Meanwhile, I got arrested for a "false report", which is a felony.
These same cops also arrested another student for disorderly conduct for swearing and took him to jail (their words), because that's how most schools would totally handle that.
Oh, have I mentioned they also did next to nothing about teachers' kids/sport players pinning down a student and shoving genitals in their face yet?
Such wonderful people...
there's a movie trope about "anonymous tips". Now you know why.
students maybe but teachers? wha?
Wow, cops are pathetic. Clearly in your case they were too afraid to engage an actual threat. We need bigger, burlier, cops that aren't willing to get their hands dirty, correct?
@@aceous99 I meant teachers' kids, oops.
This comment makes me think of Uvalde
Part of me doesn't actually want to watch this. It's just so upsetting, having experienced police impunity.
Stay strong brother some people are trying to sue protest and organize. In the meantime just be lazy and break the system
That’s ok! If you feel like it, the first part of the video doesn’t focus on policing too heavily but on the definition of “Law” if you wanna watch that :)
The solution is obviously world communism
Ever experienced gangland inpunity?
@@krunkle5136 your taking away from the point. You probably yell all lives matter at a BLM rally
I only found you this month, Dec 2023: and coming out is the greatest acct of self fulfillment, like my own as a gay, cisgen man.
You are one of my heroes. That last bit about childhood, I did that with the swapping appearance from boy to girl and back again and realising okay, I'm a gay bloke but when my mother asked if I wanted to be a "girl" (and yes, I was never older than 5 in her eyes) and I knew that my androgynous mind was attached to a male body.
Thankyou Abigail, you make the point about happiness. My father only ever asked me if I was happy.
He came out last year.
On his 86th birthday.
My parents divorced when I was 12. They were 29 when they adopted me.
I'm happy. Can't we all be happier? I believe that live is there greatest power in the universe when it comes to the human condition and how we interact with each other.
My thanks, respect and love
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"i replace those reasons with the authority from THIS GUN" i fucking love her
With regards to stop and search, I'm autistic, and am terrified of the whole idea that "criminals act different than law abiding citizens." I'm so scared that one day I will be stopped in the street, searched and even arrested because I am stimming and often look like I'm high because of this. Very scary
I've dealt with this some. Movement without purpose is threatening to their fearful paranoia.
Move to a consertive state.
Stop and search, or "perry stops" are unconstitutional, and not done by LEO's (cops)
That's exactly what I thought when watching that part! Everything the guy describes is a sign of neurodivergency, like avoiding eye contact and being anxious.
I have a problem where when I'm anxious i pick at my arms. It leaves them covered in little ted spots. I'm terrified someday a cop will see me pull of my sleeve and stay futzing with my skin and see those spots and think I'm a tweaker .
I'm autistic and when I'm nervous I completely avoid eye contact and even rub my hands like crazy over each other. I'm afraid if I were to ever be stopped for anything, that that would be seen as suspicious behavior, because it kind of already is considered that. I think I'm usually good at masking in public, as in I just pay overt attention to how I walk, stand, use my hands, use my eyes, talk, and what have you, to make sure I appear as "normal" as possible, but sometimes I just can't help it and start stimming because of my anxiety.
I found it really interesting when a court in China found a son liable for care of his elderly parents, not because it was an offical law, but because it was custom.
China built their legal system almost entirely based on the writings of Confucius, which is *heavy* on the idea of social customs being innately good, especially caring for your family. It gives their legalities a very different sort of vibe from a lot of western nations.
@@veiledAutonym The fact that now people is being forced to spend resources on the elders is now a factor in people deciding no to have kids... they just don't have enough money to support that many people...
Common law/ equity law kinda worked like that. See R V R 1991 too.
it's even part of their civil law actually, and it applies even if a child is disowned by their parents. filial piety is extremely strong there
@@David-sq2enI don't know what it is about thr Chinese government that keeps shooting themselves in the foot like that. The one child policy not considering the need for women (which results in increased trafficking of women from other counties), and now this (I am not going to talk about Mao).
Excellent job as always
One thing I have noticed, which I think fits into the narrative here, is how the letter of the law can itself be used to create the vague conditions within which police can act. There are, and have to my knowledge always been, numerous laws which contradict other laws, and even where one is meant to have priority over the other (e.g. the US constitution over US federal laws), this nonetheless creates a system of tension, wherein the actual nature of "the law" is decided in real time by those meant to carry it out, and personal preference can be used to relieve that tension in whichever way they would like
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Reminds me of Adin Ross "That's just a fact in my opinion" MAKE IT MAKE SENSE
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@@gabor6259 "league" should be "leeg" to preserve the long "e" sound.
The local cops came to my junior high in the late 90s to do a presentation; one of those PR events for them. At one point, the cop asked us "Who here is afraid of me?" Me, being the nerdy little white shit I was, started to raise my hand. Why would I be afraid of one of the good guys, right? I looked around and noticed there were only 4 hands raised and they were all "troublemaker" kids. So, I kept my hand down. The cop told them all to go out in the hall.
Found out from one of them later the cops put them up against a wall and started screaming at them and trying to intimidate them, threatening them with jail because "only bad guys don't fear cops." FYI, this was a town of like 3,000 people in an extremely rural area.
I never trusted a cop again. Further experiences have only reinforced this. So many bad cops out there, and there always have been.
Jesus Christ! They did this to literal kids?! And this was supposed to be _good_ PR for them?
@@christianwise637at least it was unintentionally honest PR
Things like this show that we are basically all living in a police state. Even in the EU, the cops can do anything and you need to have physical evidence, filmed evidence as well as DNA of the cop if they do stuff to you. Even then, evidence would probably disappear or the victim's morals would be questioned. It's scary.
@user-mf7zi4sx9fthanks user22483917, your contribution helps prove the point.
i feel like you're missing a "not" or two there
Absolutely incredible. I often listen to your videos on my walks but my commute took an extra half hour so I actually sat and watched and so glad I did. Absolutely amazing, such slick incredible editing. Love you and your crews work so much
I was in Houston watching a press conference about a very strange maybe criminal case and someone for the Houston police department was answering questions. At some point, the officer started explaining that they don’t have answers because the department does not have enough resources. Then he went on the tangent about HPD not having enough fund and resources just in general. This is the 4th largest city in the USA, population in the millions, and the police department receives the most funding out of any city program. And yet HPD still believes that they do not receive enough financial or other support. Just was a really odd and frustrating moment that has stuck with me and the discussion brought to mind.
A few years back I was living in an apartment complex with my partner. I very rarely left my place without my partner so we usually drove his care everywhere and mine would go weeks at a time without being touched, so I kept my car parked in a side parking area, out of the way. One day we decided to take my car out for some reason, and 2 minutes into our drive we were pulled over by a cop. Apparently my back license plate had binged a thing in their system because it was registered to a truck with warrants out for it (I drive a sedan). So the guy starts asking if we've stolen the car and if he can see our licenses and proof of insurance, etc. Problem being, my partner was driving, I left my wallet (and therefore ID and insurance card) at home, and everything was in my name. The police officer just laughed and waved it off saying it wasn't a big deal and offered to remove the obviously swapped out license plates from my car. (Basically the conclusion being someone was trying to avoid the cops and stole my "clean" license plates and replaced them with their "dirty" plates.) The interaction with the office went very smooth, and he was super chill and understanding. When the police officers drove off I turned to my partner and, very genuinely, said, "that would have been a very different encounter if we weren't white." That encounter has stuck with my ever since, and I often think about how situational "law" and "justice" can be.
Those Donnelly quotes are just chilling. They remind me a lot of David Grossman's "warrior cop" ideology and mindset that been spread throughout US police departments. So much "criminals" vs "regular people," and the whole "we just don't get support" vibes. Ugh.
See also- the idea that "regular people" are sheep that need protection from the wolves ("criminals") by the sheepdogs ("cops")
I've heard that one a fair amount here in the US too.
"criminal" really needs to be de-nouned
I recently listened to a great two-part episode of Reply All (The Crime Machine pts 1 and 2) about how the quota system, downgrading of crimes, and stop and frisk all grew out of a well intentioned effort to track crimes using statistics to better understand patterns and deter major issues hurting especially the less fortunate. Though the phenomenon grew out of NYC, I noticed a lot of parallels to what you discussed here and found it insightful. A new perspective on the origins of these practices.
"That's what people don't understand about [any minority group]. It's generally not the things that you have to deal with that stress you out. It's trying to deal with an atmosphere where you know that if something goes wrong you'll be hung out to dry by the media, by the courts and by the [boss/authority figure] who will cave into political pressure and won't have your back."
oh and except in your case your bad guys and incompetents never suffer the consequences for their actions...
I know it is due to having to censor the video but I find the silence when the names of those who were killed very striking. It emphasises what happened in a impactful way, it almost reminds me of the end of tv cop documentaries where they show the sentences
I agree, and wanted to say, I thought so, too.
Juxtapose that with the fact that she's simultaneously wearing a revealing latex...article of clothing...? What will and won't trigger the algorithm police to enact the TOS (the law) is almost ridiculous and variable isn't it?
I love how legal eagle started off nervous than gradually slipped into his normal as he focused more on the topic than the situation, great acting
The level of work and art that goes into this is mind fking. Under-rated and so much fun.
This video was so well timed. I'm about to start a law module on public law that also delves deep into theories surrounding the rule of law. Thanks for this :D
Even here in Switzerland.
Recently police officers have been recorded allegedly using excessive force.
How does our police lobby react to such criticism, scrutiny and new form if accountability? - They suggest making the recording of officers in the public illegal. - In bloody sane. 😑
Oh here in the U K they record it and just do the crime anyway. They'll just record themselves doing the crime as they think they're beyond the law.
Same in France
In Germany it just so happens that all cameras suddenly got shut off at the same time without any explanation how that happened...
They actually did that in Arizona, USA. Gotta love the "freedom" we have.
They already did that in France for the good reason that cameras are the only thing holding cops accountable nowadays. Even then, they have their ways and the government bends over to satisfy their smallest desires, but without the person who recorded it Nahel's murder would have been yet another statistic unspoken of outside of Nanterre.
Despite the astounding funding the NYPD is given, when I, a pedestrian, was in a hit and run, they gave me a police report form to write up myself and mail to albany. They then did exactly nothing about it.
The nypd only works for themselves that’s why it’s time to vote to ban police unions.
Why do the police get a union that can’t or won’t be broken up by the government but truckers rail road workers nurses and FAA controllers all get there unions broken up
@@evilsanta8585 because police unions are among the only unions rich people feel benefit them
@@evilsanta8585Taft Hartley act strikes again
@@elowin1691 they don't just feel it. the police exist to defend property rights, not to serve and protect. a court case even ruled the latter.
That was both incredibly entertaining and powerfully insightful. Thank you for all the time, energy, and work you put into this. As a complete side note your caution tape outfit was stunning.
I was directed to this video, as an avid viewer of LegalEagle. I am so glad I was. The topic was excellent. The presentation and presentation style is amazing. And love the production techniques and costuming, as great way to support the topics discussed.
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@@spudsbuchlawit's a show here on CZcams. It's part of the Hazbin Hotel universe. It's a funny cartoon about demons living in hell.
I'm sure it doesn't feel great as a cop to hear people complaining about you a lot, but at the end of the day no one forced you into being a cop, and when you hold power of people they're gonna be relentless when they feel you're abusing this power you chose to wield. Same applies to politicians and lawmakers too.
That might drive away people that genuinely care about regular people more though, because they will be more hurt by shunning. Unpleasant social work is easier for people that are unpleasant, it seems to me anyway.
It's funny how "don't commit crimes then" is perfectly acceptable until you're saying it back to the police.
@@willjapheth23789 social workers don't carry guns or beat their wives 4x more often than everyone else.
They also aren't then over 4x less likely to be arrested for domestic abuse, while also being even less likely to be fully charged for it so they can continue to carry guns.
Cops live that reality.
*Social workers should be doing the social work, and cops are not social workers.*
@@TehNoobiness Yeah I mean.........the police arent exactly out there earning the public trust when not a week goes by without some cop doing something awful. Just in the last two days off the top of my head I've seen video of a kid apparently minding his own business get his face smashed into a window, and a body cam of a cop freaking out over a pomeranian and shooting a woman in the ankle. Not great looks if you want to make the argument that cops are anything but violent, stupid assholes looking to fuck someone up to protect their rackets.
I don't feel too bad for most of them because a lot of them choose to be a cop because on some level they want to force everyone else to respect them
This is one of my favourite videos by you, Abigail. Awesome work as always 😭
girl you're just so endearing. i love everything about this video. the topic, the presentation, the outfits, the legaleagle feature, the jokes. instant subscribe
I loved the line at the end of Wolf of Wallstreet: "I'm not ashamed to admit it. When we arrived to prison, I was terrified. But I needn't have been. See, for a brief, fleeting moment, I forgot I was rich. And I lived in a place where everything was for sale." As the camera pans up from him and the other inmates playing tennis.
The thing that really struck me in the quotes from Donnelly was that police can spot 'criminal behaviour and criminals ... not because they're doing anything dramatic at that moment but because they behave differently to law-abiding people'. This suggests people, behaving 'differently' to what cops consider to be the standard of the majority of 'law-abiding people', are specifically likely to be picked out as criminals; not just this, but that 'criminal behaviour' may not be defined, in police usage, as the act of committing crimes - Donnelly says that people might not be doing anything dramatic at all - but as the act of behaving differently to the norm. And that, of course, is the essence of discrimination. Someone who seems to be behaving differently, is probably engaging in criminal behaviour, is a criminal. Divergence from the norm is what is punished.
Uh yeah of course someone is going to be anxious around a cop if they realise that the cop can legally ruin their life on a whim based on nothing for no reason. Anxiety is the correct emotion in that situation!
It’s this line of reasoning that leads to an autistic young man dying while police held him down and paramedics dosed him unnecessarily with sedatives. All because he had ski mask on and was acting ‘weird’ but not out of his norm.
People may feel anxious around a police officer without having done anything ever.
Yes it is kind of frightening to think about. I haven't had much contact with the police but I have autism and always struggled to dress and behave "normally." I was severely bullied because of it. It is scary to think that this could lead to more than just bullying.
I watched one of the documentaries on the Michelle Carter s*icide texting case, and I really started to wonder if she has autism. Her actions were abnormal and probably immoral, but whether they were illegal was very unclear. And her abnormal behavior was a huge factor in the eventual decision.
Yeah I get it it's truly bad if someone walks to a corner store at 2AM is picked on, but there are abnormal behaviors like hanging out right in front of the doors so people can't easily get in, or wearing baggy clothing (where a piece can be hidden) with a swagger which is a signal that you're into the thug life.
Really missed seeing y’all on my homepage, pleasure to watch another of your vids 😤