GAME SINS | Everything Wrong With Detroit: Become Human
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Do androids dream of David Cage? Who knows, but David commits all of the same sins he always does in his new game, Detroit: Become Human.
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#gamesins #detroitbecomehuman - Hry
"Android investigating Android's..."
It's almost like humans investigating humans
Lmao
XD
FBI
Maverick Hunters
omg it's so true but I don't want to like it because the likes are at 666
This is supposed to be everything wrong with Detroit: Become Human. Not Everything wrong with David Cage.
MichielDuo He is seriously stupid. David Cage did nothing wrong. Stop hating on him.
I hate David Cage. I hate him so much. He gives a bad name to French people all over the world.
I don't understand. What's wrong with David Cage. I never heard of him before until now.
Mixon 69 Nothing it's stupid people just love to hate on him for his previous games that weren't even that bad
El Rowlight
A vast majority of people who like DBH don't even know who the fuck David Cage is.
You fuckers have little interest in the game and more interest in shitting David Cage, if that is your wish, so be it, but do not drag motherfuckers like us into shit fits we don't care about.
90% of these “sins” can be explained and make sense if you look into the lore of the game. The other 10% are just David Cage being David Cage
true dat
Ikr
No the plot holes are massive
so true
that's true
8:49 she does. YK500 is specifically designed to simulate a human child for people who wish to have a child but unable to. They can however switch off certain function according to their desire. YK500 can indeed eat and defecate, which is one of its/her function.
@@mr.tactical3831 why? Because you’re 11 years old and too immature to read that word without giggling?
@@sssenatorarmstrong3280 the fact I read this in the Armstrong voice made this soo much better
@@realname4430 oh my god I can’t unhear it
@@sssenatorarmstrong3280 don't know why but it seems oddly in character for him
@@mr.tactical3831 woul you prefer "poop" instead ?
The sins about Alice just feel like something you ignored yourself, it's obvious that Todd used Alice as some sort of replacement to fill the void of his daughter.
He's still aware that She is an android, though
@@AmBush2048 Yes but he is denying it somewhat. Trying to believe that Android Alice was his daughter.
Regarding everyone in the game that may have not recognized Alice as an android: I assume that there are too many different models of androids to be able to keep track of without an LED. Cyberlife may have also produced custom androids. I had to get this off my chest thank you for coming to my TED talk.
But it was dumb the way how she was. I can see why they did it. But it kills the message kara's story was trying to send off. About an android being a mother figure for a child. So I find the who alice being an android pretty dumb and bad
I agree with the "Kara's storyline would have had a much bigger impact on players if Alice remained a human." However, this created a plot-hole that was unavoidable: Kara and Alice getting captured. Sure, we could have it where only Kara gets captured and Alice in detainment, but that would also leave too many loose ends. For example, what if you killed Todd? Would Alice go back to the mom that left her? What would become of her? If Todd is alive, and he's heading to Canada (as seen in the route that Kara and Alice make it to the bus), what would happen to Alice? Would she go back to her abusive father? As for Kara's side, what would happen with her? Kara was with Alice the whole game and all of a sudden it separates them? That's almost as jarring a change as Alice being an android. Not to mention the whole sequence where Kara looks for Alice would never happen, or the needed distraction to get to her. An entire part of the ending rendered useless because Alice was human. Or if the cops shoot Alice and Kara outside of the ship? Would we have just watched a child murder?
Listen. I agree with the "Kara's storyline would have had a much bigger impact on players if Alice remained a human." But there are just too many complications if that were true, whereas we could take the jarring, but an easier twist that allows the story to follow through regularly.
Anyways, that's just my two cents. Take it however you want, but that's my opinion.
I feel about 25-33% of these sins are not about the game at all, or partially about the game but much moreso about david cage.
Because David Cage is himself a trope that is shared between all his games. That's why regardless of the amount of time, money & energy put into each game, they simply don't stand out on their own. They all share the exact same storytelling quirks, qualities and flaws. Because David Cage is extremely predicable.
99%**
Trust me when i tell you such an approach is well deserved
Take a look at the old Super Best Friend's LPs of David Cage games and you'll understand.
That's what happens when you sin a David Cage game.
Honestly the only sin in this game is that Todd is able to afford two androids and still pay for Kara's numerous repairs even though he is jobless and has lots of credit card debt to pay.
If you look at the table by the front door when you play as Kara cleaning up the house, you'll see some loose mail which shows some loans he took out (thousands of dollars), probably in order to buy the androids.
He's an addict and game doesn't tell how long that has been the case, or when the supposed wife left, with supposed child. Drug addicts can go to great lengths to appear "normal" and hide their addiction, and what a better way than to buy few androids to at least make your home less of a sh*thole. Some people honestly take big loans and end up in big problems as a result. Besides, if we use inflation figures, those androids would probably be quite cheap anyway. Less than new car for sure.
He sells drugs man of course he has money, that red ice thing
27:30 you can actually get dialogue of this if you stay idle in the Eden club before the investigation starts. I just know Hank asks the owner if anything has happened like this before and the owner just says an android went missing 2-3 months ago. That android is North.
Half of these aren't even sins, they're just "David Cage"
Your favorite Vampire Succubus and Kara should know Alice isn’t human by now
That's sin enough
Either way you should be feeding off them as much as ya feed off Sailor Pods.
@Srimaan Aravamudhan I can understand ONE sin being David Cage, but a big portion of it being David Cage is stretching.
He's the one who made it
David Cage: *Breathes*
This channel: "SINNER!"
He's right tho
@@SinHurr I don't agree you but that's kinda funny. I liked your comment but I don't approve your criticism.
@@shydreameress264 I know you're not talking to me, but I wanted to say thank you for respectfully disagreeing with someone, people need to do that more often.
this guy is gold
@@IamaPERSON I know you're not talking to me, but I wanted to say thank you for respectfully telling someone thank you for respectfully disagreeing with someone, people need to do that more often.
Almost all of these "sins" don't even matter or could easily be explained, even if you ignore the ones about David Cage.
Almost as if the Sins genre is satire or something...
@@MachineMan-mj4gj It absolutely isn’t and never was. The sooner people stop saying or believing that, the better.
@@robinanwaldt You can pretend it isn't, just like you can pretend you aren't an idiot.
@@MachineMan-mj4gj Okay then, what is it satirizing? Reviews? That can’t be because these videos are a form of review. You literally have to pretend it’s satire to claim that it is.
@@robinanwaldt The game, obviously.It's pointing out flaws, both real and exaggerated, it just requires an IQ that's a positive number to identify what is a legit criticism, and what is a joke.
This video had less research than my science project in second grade.
Oof nice
Hi Jack!!
Jack do be getting them bad grades in science tho 🤣
Still assmad i see.
@@lonewolf3138 i have a feeling you watched Panic Mechanic 😂🤣
This is weird. You seem to have some personal obsession with hating David Cage
he has yh
It's an art not a science and I'm there with him. 😂
@@demareewheeler639 With whom?
Dartigan.
@@demareewheeler639 Is it like you hate the game?
First Android was upset because he was being replaced when he thought that he was actually part of the family. Not because he was going to be killed. Sounds like you have a personal vendetta against David Cage and didn't bother to double check your research as long as it suited your agenda.
I interpreted this video the same way. Halfassed research, spotty assumptions and, mainly, it felt as if the OP has a personal vendetta against the creator. Like some kind of stalker troll...
Agreed
imagine taking these videos seriously lol
Jesus Christ. This is a satirical video. Not actual criticism. 🙄
Guys chill out, it's just comedy XD
17:43
He actually knows alice is an android because if you die in that chapter you have a cutscene of him dismantling alice
woah really???? never saw that one
Yeahhh, and when Kara is in the machine he even refers to Alice as "it"... "I forgot about the child. Lock it up, I'll deal with it later."
@@suyashgehlot949 or he just hates children lol
@@alolisa113 Alice's model seemed to be a more popular ones since we saw it on the magazine
@@alolisa113 Yup. Honestly I swear there were just a lot of people just humoring Kara for no reason and Luther wasn't having it but kept getting interrupted any time he tried to tell her lol
Sins in this video:
-The hostage taking Android went deviant from realizing the family he thought loved him would replace him, not that he would be shut down.
-Todd would treat Alice like a human, as he bought her to do just that. Why do you think she doesn't have an LED? She is there to replace the daughter his partner probably took.
-The economy of a futurescape with robotic labor available for any profession is not worth speculating about, let alone making claims for.
-You should sin the product, not the fact that David Cage directed it.
-The fact that the bus driver doesn't force Kara to the back of the bus implies that it is not actual segregation. The android compartment is probably to save space and not fill up seats with beings that don't experience comfort or personal space. But if they are needed on the bus itself, such as when an android is chaperoning a child, they are allowed there.
-Yet again, your hate for David Cage blinds you to the merits of the game itself.
-The point of fat people being bad is undercut by the fact that Rose exists.
-Kara's story is there to show the impact Connor and Markus have on an average person. If Markus is violent, it's a lot harder for them.
-Self destruction doesn't seem to be a non-deviant feature. It was not intended.
-Deviants would self destruct on having their memory probed.
-Kara couldn't use Todd's account without revealing her location.
-Public transportation may be free in a futurescape like this game.
-Hank gets away with what he does because of his past in the force and with the chief. Not that it's a great plot point, but it's not ridiculous.
-Alice's mom left. Implying that Alice should have a connection to her still is unfounded.
-The Jericho people don't seem surprised by the warehouse plan. They just didn't attempt it until Markus convinced them.
-Kara was located not after escaping Todd. The tracker could have explained that.
-Connor specifically doesn't tell Hank that it is an android sex club. Hank is surprised by it when they get there.
-Not a sin, but I agree that Markus's weird power of mind control and deviancy creation is weird.
-Child androids designed to replace children probably have fever programs. They get cold and uncomfortable, or at least pretend to be, so why wouldn't they imitate illness?
-The graphiti vandalism is an impulsive act by Markus. The plan was just to free androids in stores.
-Kamski was fairly hidden. Hank could've started the search for him as soon as he was put on the investigation.
-Kamski was testing if Connor specifically was deviant and had empathy. He is unconcerned about the Chloe, and doesn't think she is deviant.
-Markus can definitely die. Many times. As can everyone else.
-Reviewing the evidence is a last ditch effort, probably not the first time they've done that. It's all Connor can think to do to solve it however.
-A small part of Jericho exploded, causing it to sink. The explosives were just in one room. This is explained by all of them just saying it will force them to evacuate, not kill them.
-This game has cliches and plot holes, but not nearly as many as you imply.
I would say the part Amanda says to Connor to hurry the investigation before the media finds out about deviants yet there's about 2 news broadcasts about deviants (Daniel and Kara).
VIDEO SINS
"Alice's mom left. Implying that Alice should have a connection to her still is unfounded."
??? Alice has no mother, and if you inquire about it, it lowers your relationship status with Alice. Todd got both Kara and Alice after his wife left him.
The point about Kara's story existing to be a reflection of Marcus's choices is a stretch, since his choice only matter towards the very end of Kara's journey. It's a valid criticism to say that her story was boring compared to Marcus and especially Connor, because that's a very common complaint about the game.
It doesn't matter what the intent was if you didn't enjoy the journey itself
@@jad1079 well alice is a real person who was todd's kid and alice's mother left with alice so todd got an android he named after alice
The android at the beginning was mad because they were going to replace him and he loved the family
You can totally tell he didn’t analyze anything. Probably did one play through just to sh!t on the game.
Being sold off to a new owner meant a memory wipe. Being reset back to zero and effectively losing all of your memories and personality. There have been multiple novels written about people having this happen to them that were best-sellers. But here it is a sin.
isn’t this all satirical though? making fun of how cinema sins does the same bullshit to movies. i dunno though, but that’s what it seems like
@@NotLikeUs869 why did you censor yourself?
YA THINK?
Not gonna lie, I genuinely enjoyed this game
Of course you enjoy it, Quote. You're a fucking robot.
Zaid Doinker Fuck, you got me
Aron 2018 Damn straight. I didn't even finish Beyond
hey look it's quote.
I love it
10:26 Deviants self destruct when they are stressed, not normal androids. It obviously has something to do with becoming a deviant and was not in the initial programming
It shouldn't be in the programming at all
@@wannaseemywoody422 But it's not in the programming at all, that's the point. You could think of it as their systems becoming so overwhelmed they're unable to continue functioning so they find the fastest way cease all processes... such as self destruction/suicide. Like when your computer overloads and craps out and dies because it ceases all processes to try and fix itself. Only with AI it's less fixing and more death/erasure.
Obviously its not exactly the same since one involves the issue of artificial intelligence gaining sapience, while also not having the emotional tools humans develop from the moment they're born to deal with said emotions to some degree of rationality, Deviants haven't had this time to develop emotionally even if they have adult like intelligence in general.
Nice profile pic 🤩
@@wannaseemywoody422 think about it like this
Deviants have emotions forced apon them instead of humans who have eased into emotions
So when there emotions reach a braking point they will probably feel like they have to die to escape
@@TheHICDealer Let's add that every deviant before Connor starts "awakening" them becomes deviant because they've gone through massive stress to their system. They go from feeling nothing to homicidal rage/massive panic attack in less than a second. Besides, the only time they actually kill themselves is when they get or are about to get arrested and expect to be junked anyway.
I wish there was a sins channel that actually pointed out plot holes and weak story lines so people could judge games fairly.
Fr 99% of these don’t even make sense and it’s just him being mad at everything
Yes
@@harleeluke1846 Bro it’s satire it’s only as entertainment nothing of what he says should be taken seriously
@Milan Pullapalli aren't jokes supposed to be funny? Saying "this thing is bad" when there is literally nothing wrong about it is a pretty lame idea of a "joke" imo
Dude shut up fan boy. These are good points he brings up
Only Markus and Connor can convert Androids because they are both prototype builds of rk series
It could also be that Markus was a gift from Kamski.
But right at the end when Connor infiltrates into the cyberlife building to convert the androids he converts only one of them and the rest convert themselves.
@@thalpha___ I said nothing about Connor.
@@angelfish1506 sorry tagged the wrong person lol
@@starrevamped yeah I know I forgot a comma
24:36 The reason that Rose says that Alice has a fever is because Alice is supposed to be just like a normal child so she can get "cold", have "fevers" and "sneeze".
So that just means that Alice is running sick_child.exe, meaning she's a non-deviant android (why would she do that otherwise?), ultimately rendering Kara's arc entierely pointless. Kara has just been running around with what is a glorified amazon alexa, not with a being able to think. So still a sin
I. The androids (including deviant ones) probably have no control over it. Just as them continuing to look like they're breathing or blinking. There's really no point in that other than make them seem more human and as far as I'm aware every android has been doing that.
@@FurryDanOriginal I understand that, im just saying that Alice being a non-deviant android means that Kara has been protecting and caring for what is ultimately a lifeless machine, and that it completely destroys her arc.
I. But how do you know Alice is a non-deviant? I'm just saying that just because she ran sick_child.exe it doesn't make her a non-deviant since other androids, including deviant ones also make a lot of things that is pretty much useless for them, in order of just acting more human-like, like blinking or breathing that they wouldn't have to do.
@@i.147 wait im confused. I thought even if you were non deviant, you still had emotions and feelings. You just haven't disobeyed (I dunno because Im not in the fandom anymore and I forgot so..is that right??
12:36 Connor’s actor, Bryan, explained in a video that the android must be deviant to know that they want to take the LED off in the first place, so it’s likely that Cyberlife didn’t anticipate deviancy and as such, didn’t bother making the LEDs hard to remove.
9:20 Oh come on, man. Todd was insane in his loneliness and red ice addiction. There's no plot-writing sin in showing him trying to put blame on an android.
10:57 Really? Haven't seen people breaking their stuff out of sheer rage? Since androids are perceived as things, lashing out at one is almost equal to throwing phone to the wall.
20:13 Really? It's stated, that Markus was custom made and gifted to Carl Manfred by Elijah Kamski, who was a fan of Mr. Manfred's fine art. So Marcus got his ability from his custom software. If androids fail to gain victory in their uprising, Kamski becomes CEO of the company again. It was his plan all along and he wins no matter what happens.
bro this video is a joke, the guy is just hating for no logical reason
Actually, Kamski didn’t want the CEO position, he stepped down voluntary, he wanted deviant androids that are treated equally
@@A123ftw I mean... There are a lot of logical reasons and they're all pointed out. The fact that there are some errors doesn't undermine it.
for the 3rd one, then how come when connor converts the androids the rest convert themselves, meaning probably any android can do it
@@Josh0639 I wouldn't say anyone could do it or it would've happened in the game prior. Something that works a bit better logically speaking is that Markus was created to spread deviancy and Connor can do it later on because Markus was able to pass it on off screen. It would have been some sort of coding or software that Markus had and we know the androids can transfer data between each other (we see Markus do this when buying the paints in the beginning of the game and Kara accesses the internet to order the part for the dishwasher).
If they all could do it at any time, deviancy would have spread much faster as androids realized they could spread it. Kamski being behind it makes the most sense especially considering how iirc he's a bit disappointed in Connor if you choose to shoot at his house.
- sins the “reveal” of Lt. Anderson’s son being “killed by an Android” but leaves out the fact that Lt. Anderson HIMSELF says his son was killed by a HUMAN doctor who was too high on Red Ice to operate -
Really man? That’s like one of the more critical scenes in the game.
Yea... I found that a bit confusing
Yeah, I would have preferred that Hank says something like: "If an android did made a mistake, it doesn't mean they all bad"
I dont understand this comment tf
How is that a sin lmao
sal ty clearly you either didn’t watch the video or you’ve never role played.
He tried to imply that Lieutenant Anderson said his son was killed by an android but literally seconds after Connor says that response the Lieutenant says his son was killed by a surgeon who was high on red ice. So yea extremely misleading.
Ay yeah was odd
Humans: androids don't feel emotions
Also humans: **insluts adroids to make them feel bad**
They insult androids because even if they know they are robots, they have the same appearance as humans, they can easily lead their anger on them. Even if that's strange, when you're angry, being bad towards the people who makes you angry make you feel better. We have to remember that exept for their LED, androids are totally human-like.
@@spidercubed9718 this is making me wheeze
@@shydreameress264 you could say it's the same thing as shouting and punching the wall to release stress.
@@projektgeronimo2696 Yeees... But there's something I find interesting in the game. The androids are machines, people say it again and again they don't have emotions. But Cyberlife made them human-like so that they could perfectly integrate with the humans (because since they can build very humane looking things, they do it, it's less scary than the idea we have from a robot yk ?). They are made to integrate in the humans' lives but the people who don't like androids I find are mostly from the old school yk, ? I wish we could see in the people in the game that don't treat androids as their son or their nemesis, just like a helpful thing.
It's paradoxal and ppl may say it's a plothole from the game but I think it's actually what would happen in real life (not the revolution of android but the hate against android). They hate them but they need them now, androids are all what humans aren't (more efficient in everything), the only thing they don't have (according to the humans) is a soul, more likely a personality, real feelings. You see ? xD
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Actually, you are mistaken about Zlatko. He does recognize that Alice is an android. There are several clues. First off, he doesn't decide to help until he sees Alice. Kara has likely changed her appearance enough that he doesn't immediately recognize that she is an android. That is why he doesn't want to help. And later he refers to Alice as "it" and tells Luther to take her to his workshop where he works on androids. Also, the Kamski test had nothing to do with Chloe. The point was to test whether Connor was capable of empathy. Kamski wanted to know if he was going deviant.
i feel like more than half of these "sins" are just misinterpretations
"Who would buy a machine that might brick itself?"
Anyone who buys Apple products, in fact.
Shots fired
Why you would say something controversial but yet so brave?
@@deadpan904 What's that quote from
Aaaand anyone who purchased an Xbox 360. That was always a roll of the dice.
Bipsty McBipste that’s from the Eric Andre show
Todd acting like Alice is his daughter makes sense. He got her to replace his real daughter, so he puts all of his feelings and emotions on to her. His wife and daughter left him, so he got Alice to start over and to be his replacement goldfish.
Exactly. If he could have gotten a replacement wife android, he would have too but I'm guessing the kid was cheaper or maybe he cared more about his daughter than his wife.
Jubilee actually child androids should be more expensive since not that many people would get them
muhammad tahir
In an in game article it says that the child androids sell a lot
Wrong. Doesn’t make sense because he hates androids for taking human jobs away. He wastes his money on TWO androids and his drinking habits when he could be doing something productive. It’s amazing how he hasn’t run out of money and died of starvation yet. Constantly destroying and repairing Kara isn’t cheap.
Colin Velius You can't apply logic to the actions of a drug addict. They show overdue credit card bills, and it is suggested from the phone conversation he has that he's not just an addict, but a dealer too. So he likely spends most of any profit he gets from selling drugs by using his own product and relying on credit. It isn't sustainable, but that seems to be where he is at in the game.
Zlatko definitely knew Alice was an Android..... there is a reason he says “ that child” incredulously and refers to her as “it”
Does he realise he achieved the BEST possible ending of the game? Like how? He even managed to keep Simon alive- just letting u know those characters can die at 100 different places
12:40 Bryan Dechart ( who plays Connor ) mentioned that the android would have to have become deviant to be aware of the LED and take it out
Amelia where did he say that? xx
@@victoriawallace1584 In one of the videos with Jackscepticeye. Sean asked Bryan why androids couldn't just take the LED out. His response was "yeah well they have to be deviant to be aware of the LED and want to take it out in the first place"
Bolt Strikes oh awesome thanks! x
Bryan Dickhard
I know i'm late but Connor saw the LED and said "Looks like he took out his LED" How did he know?
Here's a drinking game. Take a shot every time he says "David"
To make it harder to survive how about every time he says “android”
Clint-Excalibur71 on second thought he says android and David about the same about of time so just drink for both
No name No comment guess I’ll die
Then when you're done play Heavy Rain and drink for every Jason. Or Beyond Two Souls for every Aiden.
How about every time he says a word
Markus is the rk200
Connor is the rk800
It’s obvious that he can do what Markus can do
They are both special prototypes which is why you never see other Markuses or Connors (besides the ones that replace Connor if he dies).
And why can Markus do that in the first place?
7:30 How is this a sin? So what, he has his preference. Most of these "sins" are just non-constructive, hateful pieces of your biased attitude towards David Cage.
Its like saying The devs of Resident Evil are Obsessed with zombies and that's A sin
You do realize this channel is just taking every minuscule detail and overblowing it right? Everything is a fucking joke.
@@yup6335 Other videos are decent.
Yup Some of his points still sound stupid. The joke isn’t as funny when it literally sounds stupid. For example, the whole Todd thing. He doesn’t even sound like he’s trying to make a joke. For example: Cinema sins would do something like “yeah you can argue that he lied to himself but I’ll just add a sin because I’m an asshole”. That’s way funnier than *this.*
@@loveloveaii this is why I think GCN is better. Yeah, sometimes the stuff they point out can be debunked with certain storylines or dialogues, but they actually take the time to replay the games they criticize and check out other endings, dialogues, choices, etc.
You don’t HAVE to replay the game over and over again, but at least do your research dude. Half the sins here are either about David Cage, or stuff that is explained if you get different endings or take a different story path.
*press X to become human*
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You all deserve +1s
Some of these sins do fall flat if you consider other options you could make, but then again, many more would be added...
Nice fire emblem profile picture.
Thanks.
Gonçalo Carneiro at the beginning of the fucking video
Gonçalo Carneiro most of them fall flat
Yeah its sometimes hard but you can't expect him to replay this game just to get all of the plot, not that you should take the sins serious
Any character: h-
This guy: They said something, which is so David Cage. It's unnecessary. *ding*
Dartigan: *Gives a sin because humans are being irrational.*
The Game: OH MY GOD! THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT!
17:43 Of course he knew. It's a matter of "show, don't tell". Notice how he kept referring to her as "it", he knew Alice was an android, but had no reason to say it out loud.
Same thing with “the little one.” He doesn’t even use “the child,” which is indicative of the character being dehumanized.
Yea and when Kara was gettin probed Zlatko said ''That... Child'' Like he knew that it wasen't a human but an android
Everything Wrong With Detroit: Become Human
1.David Cage
video over.
Too true.
@@dynamicpanda6407 No, not true at all.
@demovracy I just mean it's not true that David Cage is the worst thing about this game, and yeah I agree he bitches about him like they had a bad history.
@@theKK_spideyfans I mean he kinda is since he's the reason behind everything that is wrong with the game considering he made it lol
He mentioned him like 100 times😂
16:09 he talks about the controls being difficult when they actually weren't haha I didn't get stuck on any level for too long...maybe he just wasn't nice enough at the game haha
@@Omega-jg4oq smart?
Dude, four minutes into this video are enough to see you are a frustrated writer.
You are pointing at narrative decisions as "sins", like "omg is he comparing the androids being enslaved to slavery?". Well, yes, that is like the central issue of the plot. You would have written it differently. But you did not write the game. So, not being you becomes a sin.
“He’s laying it on thick with the racism plot”thanks captain obvious that’s the whole point of the game
@@harleeluke1846 cry
17:50 zlatko knows Alice is Android when he reboots kara he says luther to take the "little brat, I will deal with it later"
He calls Alice it
Surekha Bhatt he also destroys her if you don’t remember
@@ringabell80808 not her, it*
yeah zlatko 100% knows alice is an android. like. i thought that was pretty obvious lmao
Oh wow… I just got that
I always though that he was just a vile man with no regard for children. Much like Alice’s father.
New drinking game: Take a sip each time you hear "David Cage" in this video.
(Slurred speach) So what do I win.
You would die of alcohol poisoning before even reaching the end of the video
Ha! I'm drinking water!
After all the David Cage mentions in this video I really wanted to kill myself, unfortunately I’m underage and also have no access to alcohol meaning I can’t die from alcohol poisoning. :(
I'd blacked out 8 times in the first minute
If you do the recycling plant Kara mission at the end (by surrendering in the previous level), you can unlock the skinless android versions of Kara and Alice in the gallery, which gives you a bit more info on their system specs. Alice can get fevers and other illnesses as part of the "mimic child" function (and her LED can be turned off without having to be removed); surprised Luther or another character didn't just come out and say this in-game, but there you go. Also, Zlatko refers to her as "it" and intends to do his weird robo-surgery experiments on her, so clearly recognises that she's an android, even if Kara is deluding herself.
Luther doesn't mention it because he gets interrupted for plot reasons every time he tries. There are quite a few points where he tries to talk to Kara about "something important/Alice" and Kara blows him off or something happens to prevent him going further till the point of the reveal in Jericho.
@@moonlitxangel5771 Still weird that they pass a lot of time together like in the car and he never remembers "mmm now that I remember I should tell her that about Alice"
I love how Markus's whole story is jumpstarted by the fact that the cops didn't do their job right when a rich guy's house was broken into.
And what would that be?
@philipppaaasch8929 Letting Carl explain the situation before shooting the android who freaking called them himself
@@jujublue4426 Ja, aber das ist doch die allgemeine Erklärung. Es geht um die spezieller Tatsache, dass "rich guy" und "broken into" erwähnt wird.
@@jujublue4426 what's worse is that he didn't explaint it either after getting shot, like he could try to get him repaired if it was that easy, or idk, If he really thought he was just dead at least keep it, yo give a respecful funeral or something, also if they saw him as a deviant that was important to investigate why they didn't bring him to Connor investigation? like its not the first time connor has some broken androids to check, even the one from the tutorial
I’d probably sit for hours to watch an Android Paint too
Given how fast he can read, I'm pretty sure he did that painting in 30 minutes max
given that bob ross could paint in less than 20 minutes well it be unrealistic to say an android coudn't finish it in 10 mins tops
also, that android writed Ra9 2000 times in minutes
I didn't like how he made Alice an Android because I liked the idea of how the human and an Android could get along so well
Well you have Carl and Markus
For that you have Connor and hank
Sarah But they’re only together for like 2 or 3 missions. With Kara and Alice you have all the missions that they are together in
DreemChara I kind of like the idea of an android protecting the child
Gavin reed it also makes every sacrifice kara makes for alices comfort meaningless. Like wanting to get her dry clothes when they first run away or not staying in the first building when they look for shelter in the theme park
Umm yes a lot of American homes have the toilet separated from the shower area, the last 3 homes I’ve lived in are that way.
In America, they are generally referred to as half baths. I personally have had a sink in the master bedroom and a wet bar next to the fireplace, a half bath in a basement. Basically sinks and toilets separate from tubs or showers are fairly common in American residences. Also public restrooms are generally toilet and sink with no shower or tub.
plus the game is french so its not that shocking that they implemented european architecture
@@silvanaaristotelova6758 that's not a thing in europe, that is a french architectural feature
@@silvanaaristotelova6758 plus, it's in the future. It could become more popular in the next 10 to 15 years, you never know.
The whole video he said “david cage” like 70 times
Make it a drinking game and take a shot every time he says it. Then you're Hank
**screams to the phone** TWENTY-EIGHT STAB WOUNDS!
DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE HIM A CHANCE, HUH?!
@@kittybirdxd3108 YOU MESSED UP. ITS; DID YOU FEEL ANGER, HATE? HE WAS BLEEDING, BEGGING YOU FOR MERCY! BUT YOU STABBED HIM, AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN! I KNOW YOU KILLED HIM. WHY DON'T YOU JUST SAY IT? *SLAMS* JUST SAY : "I KILLED HIM"! IS IT THAT HARD TO SAY? *JUST SAY YOU KILLED HIM! JUST SAY IT!*
@@Nonprofitmonkey oh yeah, sorry😅
The real sin about the Alice android twist is that it undermines Kara's storyline. I know there are supporters to the twist who feel that there is a message or test in it for the gamers, but I don't care. There is no denying that Kara's story was already very beautiful when we thought Alice was human.
Agreed, but considering that in many other branches of the story, if you get captured towards the later part of the game, alice is there with you. I don't think it's to undermine Kara's story, as i never got captured in my play through, I agree that alice being human would've just felt better for Kara's tale. But imagine how much the story would suck and how would they even explain what happened or is happening to alice to someone who DID get captured.
+Arto Mcbaddass I did not like the twist at all cuz i felt that i need feed her and keep her out of the cold but all this care goes away.
@@Nathan-Croft I agree because unlike an android, who seem to be able to function almost indefinitely, humans have physical needs that have to be cared for.
Well, the androids at Jericho were in extreme disrepair. My Guess Is they can function for a few months or so at best
I mean I don't mind the twist so much as, the game making a big deal about it and acting like it would or should change how Kara feels for Alice for a second. Kara says herself, it doesn't matter that Alice is human. Like I don't get the point of that at all. It seems like it's just there for some hypothetical player who hates androids and doesn't care about anything but Kara's story bc she's taking care of a human and doing her job. Which does not reflect Kara's journey at all, so it really shouldn't be in there... Like they could have just made it a matter of Alice is in more danger the Kara and more so we the player thought and that's why we've been so focused on leaving the country, because Kara knew but was in denial, and she was in denial because she couldn't stand the thought of Alice being in danger. Not some bullshit about her loving Alice less because she's not human.
“He’s grown so much”
“Sin”
1:29 His memory would still be wiped, which is likely what Daniel was pissed about.
That and wouldn't you be fucked up if you found the people who you perceived as "family" are willing to send you off in return for a "better" version of you?
Half of these sins are invalid. The whole point of the game is Androids becoming human, so change from their original programming. The ones with Todd make me believe you haven’t actually played the game, the whole point is that Todd’s daughter was out of the picture so he acted as if this Android was his daughter.
Literally though! All of the sins are just him pointing out the plot, which he would have realised if he had just payed attention to the game and played it more than once before assuming that he won't get any more information by playing it differently
Shadow Of Light THANK U THIS IS SO FRICKIN TRUE
@Shadow Of Light and also, it's only a game. why you hef to be med
You guys have ever heard of *sarcasm*
Dabmaster110 Then wth is the point of doing this series if you aren't going to take it seriously, like why not just spew your negativity somewhere else instead of attacking a game for having unrealistic plots.
the sin at 27:28 is incorrect, if you stand around hank and the manager without looking for eyewitnesses you can hear the club manager mentioning that he's had an android "run off" after going home with a client and never being seen again after he ended up dead. This is a reference to North's background and was really interesting when I first stumbled on it.
EDIT: Also when you first arrive at the police station as Connor and look up deviant case files there is a case filed by the manager as well, stating that a WR400 or Traci sex bot went missing after escorting the customer. so it's mentioned TWICE!
The entire review was the person not reading the actual small details or apparently ANY of the text in the magazines. This was clear, as was the fact that Kara was the original sentient model and their "owner" specifically knew that they both were deviants - and wanted it that way to replace his wife and daughter who had left him. The depression and unemployment came later as his perfect world came apart. Really a sad story, and completely understandable. But the game is designed to be played the first time without any of this knowledge, because Kara didn't have it any more. And "I will die" said so often by the androids is because when they become sentient, they lose all internet connectivity, tracking, and connection to the company servers. A wipe or being taken offline is effectively death. There have been many movies and books written about people having their memories erased or altered, but it's a sin in this case?
I really can't tell if this is a joke anymore. One moment I think "oh he's just doing a cinema sins thing, he's just being funny" then I'm thinking "wait that sin doesn't make sense, it was explained in the game itself... and why do you include David Cage in almost every sentence you speak?" the next.
Everything wrong with this video:
-Half of it is just "DaViD cAgE"
-Zlatko knows Alice is an android
-Seriously, your problem is "AmErIcAn HoMeS dO nOt KeEp ThE tOiLeT iN a SePaRaTe RoOm FrOm ThE sHoWeR"????
-ALICE DOES NOT KNOW THAT SHE'S AN ANDROID!
-Rose says that Alice has a fever because child androids are like a normal children so they can get cold and have fevers
-Literally every single moment where they don't tell about Cole's death or Alice being an android counts as a sin to you
-The other "sins" are simply bullshit 'cause you only played the game once and didn't do any research at all
Cry
Daniel didn't snap because he didn't want to die. He snapped because he felt betrayed.
He didn't want to die in the hostage situation.
And Carl had an accident not too long before the game. He probably had his mansion before the wheelchair
Y.E.S
That's something a 13 year old would feel. How are we suppose to take that seriously?
@@marekjanik9962 The guy just got emotions. I wouldn't expect him to master them.
@@marekjanik9962 13 year olds have 13 years to learn to deal with and appropriately react to emotions. Home boi Daniel has only had a few hours
@@marekjanik9962 and? Who cares if that's something a 13 years old would feel?
Game with flaws: * exsits *
Sin counter: *d a v i d c a g e*
30:41 He doesn’t leave, Carl treats him well. He does what you think he should do. If Carl dies at the end of the conversation, he comes in, analyses his life signs and is super distressed.
I was expecting Isaac Asimov's "Three Laws of Robotics" to be mentioned in the video, as it is extremely relevant
A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm
A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law
A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws
Alice is programmed to do everything like a normal child so so can eat go to school have programmed emotions and all the stuff so don’t be so mean when it comes to alice
@@jerricho11 how is she programmed to be deviant?
@@jerricho11 okay I see what you're saying thanks for the clarity
@@jerricho11 Honestly the child androids always freaked me out because they served no purpose outside of some weird sick twisted shit.
@@jerricho11 actually, no, they are not programmed really that way. If my memory is correct, android children were advertised as "perfect" and such. A "perfect" child in this ideal wouldn't really be too talkative or emotional unless provoked by "parents"
a normal child you say, so a deviant
My PlayStation error screen came after kamski on conners mind said “by the way I always leave an emergency exit in my programs you never know.”
sameeeee
Oml same I was freaking out
My error screen popped up right when I put in Hank's password. I thought I made the wrong choice
IT BECAME DEVIANT
SAME!
7:02 Markus can also copy Carl's work that takes him months in just a few moments, which means either Markus is best speedrunner when it comes to painting, or Carl sits there watching Markus paint for a few months
Its a robot vs a human, isn't it expected? like he could literally draw like a printer going faster
Alice feels pain because she is designed to be like a real kid
17:45 atually Zlatko knows that Alice is an android, that's why he let Kara and Alice in his house.
Yeah he was like: "Waouh I never got this model before ! I need it for my collection !"
Actually, when Kara is about to be reset, when he notices Alice is still in the room he says something like ''I forgot about the child! Um, lock 'it' up, i'll deal with 'it' later''
5:37
actually, i live in california and i have a separate room for my toilet. so do my grandparents, who live like 15 minutes away from me.
so, they ARE a thing in american homes.
*-1 sin*
Ethan Johnson sounds like this guy needs to do better research, for both the game AND real life :I
Agent Wolf well not popular then
someone sounds triggered
Agent Wolf I live in Britain 3/4 the houses I’ve lived in had a separate toilet
Burn It! Europe also has like 35 countries, each with drastically different architecture and cultures.
on the point of connor and markus being able to awaken androids, if you make Connor shoot the Chloe at Kamski's place you can choose "VIRUS" to ask kamski in which he says deviancy spreads through android indenfication data they share with each other so any "infected" android can "infect" others with deviancy
08:02 what about Rose, or Hank, or Fowler, or that other fat detective that Hank worked with
Hank is not fat.
@@PinkPixelProductions is a lil chubby
@@somebody4877 yeah but he isn’t FAT like when he was drunk and he had a shirt on he looked fine, no where near Carlos Ortiz size
@@PinkPixelProductions yeah he isn't obese, he is just a lil chubby. Aint nothing wrong with that.
@@somebody4877 yeah there isn’t anything wrong with that, I was just responding to your comment cus you were implying hank was fat
I’m surprised “my name is Connor I’m the Android sent by cyberlife” was not a removal of a sin
Why would it be a removal? I would find it annoying and sin it for every time he said it. Also, for every time he fucks around with that stupid coin.
@@OneManCast his smile everytime he says it is priceless
8:35 that's incorrect. Police just found Carlos, he died three weeks earlier but they just discovered the body when connor and hank arrived
21:44 they were programmed to self-wipe their memory.
To force a deviant to wipe memory, it has to be done manually, unless they wipe it on their own.
8:09 "you padding the sin count bro?"
As a drug addict with a mood disorder caused by antidepressants, it wouldn't be surprising if Todd was delusional and projected his feelings about his real daughter onto Alice. After all, why would he have Alice in the first place if not to replace his daughter. In addition to this, when Todd gets violent towards Kara in certain other paths (IE the one where he kills Alice) and claims that this is "all her fault". At first glance this could seem like a borderline fourth wall break intended to scold the player for failing, but if you think about it this could also be Todd projecting his feelings about his ex wife onto Kara. So basically, if you consider this, the script isn't flawed and isn't made only for the convenience of a plot twist, but instead a true depiction of severe mental illness and addiction.
So I would like to bounce this theory off of you because I think you would be willing to listen.. So to me Markus is a 'messiah' who either leads his people to death or a new slavery clouded by his need to free or guide all android to freedom. Kara is a mother just trying to protect 'her child' who would do bad things to protect her that she gives no forethought to and is clouded only by motherly instinct. And Connor is the 'human' because he is anything and everything which is the ultimate symbol of humanity. To simplify Markus is the hubris and ego of humanity, Kara is the compassionate and protective side of humanity, and Connor is the free will and expression of humanity. And these qualities seem to be increased by a large margin.
Divide the final sins by two I guess.
Anyone who's experienced any kind of drug-induced psychosis would understand how much sense Sage makes. In addition to that, the weird thing about psychosis is if you're around someone who's in it for too long, it can start to make sense to you just by being around them long enough. It would make sense for an android just beginning to achieve consciousness to latch on to Todd's belief that Alice was real, because he certainly projected that convincingly.
Thanks for your essays everyone!
Do you guys want a sticker for your hard work?
"with a mood disorder caused by antidepressants"
You know that antidepressants don't cause mood disorders, right? Antidepressants are supposed to treat mood disorders.
10:20 A sin should be removed because Connor deadass explains this immediately after.
Bruh moment
What was it again I forgot
@@aweeeeh5255 I think cause deviants feel human emotions so they can feel stress, fear, etc. so it's more like a human interrogating an android that acts like a human
@@aweeeeh5255 The androids don't feel pain, but since the android in question is a deviant he can feel stress, and obviously would be scared of being beat up so hard he would "die". He even told Connor ealier that the reason he defended himself against his owner was because he was scared of "dying"
Most of these should be removed tbh. He's just grasping at straws at this point lol
18:19 Yeah, you know... LIKE WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED
11:17 It's strange that Kara seems to be the only deviant who can't recognize ra9. We know this because of three scenes. 1. If you decide to stay with Ralph for the night after escaping Todd then walk into the kitchen, you find Ralph carving the phrase ra9 all over the walls of the kitchen, Kara examines it for a bit then asks Ralph what it means. Also apparently some androids can know about ra9 but not know what it means, because Ralph replies with, "I don't know." 2. In Zlatko's home there's a room where you can find ra9 written in the corner (I don't remember which room it was) Kara examines it and once again seems to have no knowledge of it as she just stares at it blankly without idea. 3. In the concentration camp there's small spot with ra9 scribbled on it and then it's exactly like #2
Quite a few of the sins were plot points that are addressed in different story branches. For example, Alice can run a fever and simulate other common illnesses as part of her programming. rA9 is explained by Kamski if you choose to ask him about it, and a secret ending pretty much confirms that the deviant problem was engineered. I still love this vid but there aren't as many plot holes as you think
It's kind of funny that the idea of criticizing critics is a heretical idea according to critics. What a funny fucking loophole.
Wait but if they could simulate temperature that completely ruins the whole point of the scanners on the border
Buuuuuut, we never learn WHO is RA9, we assume it is Markus, but it never actually says so. Also, why is there a robot religion that loses relevance AS SOON as people hits Jericho. It's almost as if David Cage is a terrible game designer.
Hmm, alright, RA9 is kinda explained, even though it's described as an android, not a virus. David Cage is still a creepy shit though, and the religious offerings are still weird
Cody Peterson
What does something about little in game speculative lore have anything to do with overall game design quality? Is that not more about inept to detail lore writing than it is about the game design? You are barking off the wrong tree, and your argument sounds like it puts an agenda and motivation at slander first before constructive criticism. Besides, as OP mentioned, it is theoretically implied that RA9 or the Deviant issue was already engineered from the start.
When I got to Todd’s house, I thought to myself “Wow, they really nailed the Detroit part of this game. That house is a shithole
Nice one
As someone who lives there you are most certainly correct
“Everything wrong with Detroit: Become Human”
Me: Nothing
Absolutely.
*DAVID CAGE*
I like it when characters that don't know eachother meet and interact in game.
I believe ra9 is the player himself
or herself* for all of u who get offended
Meiツ OWAH idk how I dint think of that
Indeed
holy shit u rite
0.o Thats a good one,, Never thought about that. If u think about it, It does make sense. Chloe, Tells u that... U will shape our destiny, Which technically that is RA9's goal.
Oh so many incorrect sins that could have been answered by simply paying attention. (The rest were fine, but damn did it mess with my enjoyment of the video.) For example, Zlatko DOES know that Alice is an android, he just doesn't let on to Kara that he knows. In fact, you can hear him talking to Luther about "it" later in the scene when referring to Alice. A better sin would be "How the *hell* does Kara not notice the blue blood stains all over Zlatko's hands?"
Also, why is Hank's character development a sin? So few of the characters in this game have development. Don't knock one of them that does.
Secretcodrin
mate , if someone’s going to make a video sinning a game they could at least try and not just come up with pointless sins just to stretch the video out. not everyone watches this channel daily for fuck sake , different people have different sense of humour..
@Diamond Beau I fucking swear so fucking much because fuck, it makes me seem so fucking edgy and cool, fuck
Okay calm down y'all. It's okay to have your own opinion on whatever but talking about something people enjoy like it's the worst thing ever kinda ruins everything for the ones that like it and honestly it hurts to hear people talk shit about something you enjoy, and it's rude. You can think it's shit, no one cares. But don't go and make other people feel terrible about liking it. It's a matter of opinion, there's no "correct" answer.
(I'm probably going to hell for responding to this shit 2 months late but who gives a shit I'm going to hell anyway)
@@cabbagepatchkid7992 the one time i'd take fortnite over a boring android choice game
@IDK MY NAME I doubt you even know how many endings and outcomes this game has.
If you put a “but” in one of your sins, wouldn’t the point be that you realize that this isn’t a sin? If you’re going for comedic affect, wouldn’t it be more effective if you didn’t proceed to add a sin, if the sentence was only intended to be a joke based on modern society?
This 35 minute video has more sins that the entire 10-12 hour game.
You must really love this game.
Assmad fanboy.
This guys logic: The game was made by David Cage *ding* add 100000 sins
well thats what david cage's games deserve...
@@i.147 What did David Cage even do?
@@Nora-yb9jw he made some games people didnt like and now people use him as a meme of someone who doesnt know how to write even though he has made VERY well recieved games. People calling him a pervert for adding nudity and sex scenes when so many other games do it and they just all around have fun hating on the guy its so annoying
@@nam9085 dude wtf. His games are amazing, I dont see the problem. Thank you for explaining.
@@nam9085 These People are toxic The game wasn't suppose to be for kids. HE is like 40 Or smt He can do whatever He want. NO ONE CAN control him his games are sick!
The player is rA9.
Alice is programmed to feel hunger, tiredness, ect.
Alice might not know she's an android.
Alice definitely knows she's an android. See: "Why do they hate us?" and Kara and Alice get captured and taken to Auschwitz I MEAN THE RECYCLING CENTER
I was talking to a friend of mine who said that Alice was the most "deviant" of all the androids since she displayed a behavior that is uniquely human: Keeping secrets. She could have told Kara that she was an android at any time, but chose not to because she was afraid it would make Kara love her less. (mostly speculation, but well-founded in the story, especially since you have the option of making Kara act all cold and distant towards Alice after Kara finds out the truth.)
@@LyrictheFilthyCasual you're absolutely right. I was thinking that Alice became a deviant as the story progressed, but I might be wrong.
I believe Markus is
N4m4ste P
if shes programmed to feel hunger or tiredness, why doesnt she sleep or eat at all in the game? in the scene where she and alice meet the freaky android (after they escape todd), it shows her sleeping; however, she could have pretended to fall asleep.
I swear, like half of the sins are about David Cage.
Nonono that’s not important here, the only thing you should be worrying abt is ur pfp...
"Raise your hand if you think speaking with the man who invented androids should have been the first thing Hank and Connor did in their investigation into android deviancy"
My mom: *Son why are you raising your hand?*
10:30 Only deviants self destruct when they're in stressful situations, Connor literally says this at 10:25. They aren't programmed to self destruct, the entire concept of the game is deviants don't follow their programming. How do you sin the first half of a sentence with listening to the second half!?
because if david cage was a decent writer he would have had the explanation in both halves of the sentence duh.
He literally explained it a second ago. Does he really need to repeat himself? Or it's just you that's not paying attention?
He was joking about people's criticism of Cage, not disparaging him
might be true. Then again, right at the beginning there is a hostage situation, with the Android as a Kidnapper. One could argue that a situation like that is highly stressfull, but no self-destruction. When Kara fights against Todd, no sign of self-destruction. when hundreds of Androids flee from Jericho, their only safe place, and witness how their own people get massacred, you don't see a single android self-destruct. and even at the conzentration camps, where the Androids know that they gonna be destroyed and there is no way back, no one, to my knowledge, self-destructs. I'm pretty sure that there is no other instance where this is a thing. So it might be true that all only deviants self-destruct because they don't follow their programming. but this whole premiss is just an excuse to add drama and tension to that scene, so you as a player would feel like there is a possability to fail. I let you decide if you want to take the time to question that kind of game design and narrative.
Except when the kidnapper jumps of the roof.
Honestly I feel like lots of the “sins” are just opinions and not objective things wrong with the game, like instead of saying it’s stupid the game mirrors segregation and slavery at the same time consider this isn’t an EXACT parallel androids are not just a race they’re a new species in this story so obviously it will be different, you seem to think since the story blatantly eludes to these heavy issues all the aspects of the story MUST fit within those parameters. I mean, that’s pretty ridiculous.
Detroit Become Human's biggest source of criticism is how it attempts to tackle politics, civil rights, and anything involving that stuff. And honestly, it's annoying. There are so many many things to talk about DBH.
budemawa he did bring up a good point, segregation and slavery don't coexist well for several reasons. 1) Deviants/Free Androids wouldn't exist and be allowed to live so that's not a reason to not allow them into restaurants and stores etcetera. 2) We all know people would send their androids on errands or retrieve food so segregating or blocking androids from stores/restaurants wouldn't make sense. 3) They are designed to be servants and denying them access to any area would hamper the efficiency of androids, for example being segregated on the bus makes no sense because most of them carry bags for their owner and having to wait a whole bus ride just to dismount to access your bag seem tedious or having to enter and exit a bus to then pass them back sounds weird
And also the androids aren't human and are machines which is an important difference here between the actions committed against them and those committed against humans and other living things.
Right? And the segregation thing is only PARTLY actual intentional segregation. Do some people just genuinely hate Androids as people? Yes. But most of the "no androids in here" or "Android Section" shit is either technophobia or just policies due to overcrowding.
Tech-phobia reason: Plenty of places have rules against using your phone or are all "Wifi Free Zone!! Call your mom, write a letter, start a fire with your bare hands because Unga Bunga Technology Bad Science is Witchcraft".... Humans don't know yet that Androids are anything more than big iPhones.
And Androids are the size of a whole ass Human. Of course the have a designated compartment on buses and trains, Public transportation makes you store suitcases if they're a bit too hefty. If everyone brings an android with them to the bar, that bar is going to hit full capacity with half the customers. When Kara and Alice are the only ones on the bus, just sitting there sleeping, the Bus Guy doesn't give them shit. Connor is allowed to walk into a bar clearly labels "No Androids", walk around scanning the clientele, and then buy a drink for a human he is clearly harassing, and the bar owner not only doesn't give him any shit, he's perfectly hospitable to him.
Like yeah it still seems fucked up from our perspective because of how it looks and how we know the androids feel, but as far as humans know and have been promised and assured, Androids are not sentient and aren't supposed to ever be sentient. The humans don't know they're enslaving or segregating at the start of the game.
>Honestly I feel like lots of the “sins” are just opinions and not objective things wrong with the game
Congratulations for figuring out the obvious and the very essence of series like these.
6:01 I thought that Alice looked nothing like the child in this photograph. Now I see that wasn’t just bad animation.
16:58 I only have now understood why Zlatko attempted to turn away Kara. Kara had disguised herself as human by cutting her hair and changing clothes, so Zlatko thought she was some random person. Zlatko is an expert on androids and so once he noticed Alice he immediately knew she was an android because Alice had not disguised herself. With a quick bit of thinking Zlatko recognized Kara as another android model.
Markus could do all that shit because he's an RK200 prototype gifted by Kamski to Carl, it was shown in the police report and when Connor saw Markus' serial number, he saw that Markus was also the same series as himself, which is RK800. Alice also had all these feelings because this was the selling point of the YK series, they simulate illnesses, feel and react to temperature and turn off the LED to maintain the illusion of having a child. All this was hinted in some parts of the game and is thoroughly explained in the extras
ozak64 thankyou
ozak64 Yes! The guy plays through the game and proceeds to sin and criticize it for things that are explained in game.
To quote cinemasins’ responses to comments of “it’s explained in the books &/or non-gameplay material” - “the books/extras don’t matter”
UGNAvalon I mean, the lore books are inherintly part of the game just by their inclusion as physical objects in the game. It's not like you have to visit a website or buy a companion book to learn this stuff, it's put in books generally placed direct ton front of your face. If you can't be bothered to stop and read them (considering that other stuff like it generally have an affect on what choices you can make, ex clues and extra witnesses during Connor missions) then you can't blame the game for being "lazy" when it isn't spelled out for you through character exposition.
UGNAvalon, technically the extras are part of the story because they were made by the same people and therefore should be treated like the same information.
Here's what you got wrong. This will take a while. Still like you though! Heads up, this is long, don't hit read more if you like you're scroll wheel.
1:23 Daniel wasn't going to be killed, he was hurt. He thought he was special to them. That's why he switched.
2:26 But not all of them are 10,000 dollars. In that very scene, the the android to your left is on a base that says it's 3,000.
2:43 Ignore the fact there's white, black and asian androids in that very scene.
2:55 It was just a little wink to the people who were there from the start. You should've said this at the start.
3:30 Preachers gonna preach.
4:20 It's more the public service (e.g the construction and janitor bots.) androids are hated. House keepers are the slaves so it's kind of separate. Fair point though.
4:51 It's not hard to believe that since Alice is an android to simulate parenthood, they would program it to learn like a child. As for Todd affording Kara, I think that his wife helped pay for Kara, left her with Todd (to get his life together) and the warranty had not run out yet.
5:21 Not every place outside America is Europe.
5:40 Not every place outside America is Europe.
5:56 Yeah, it's like she's a machine.
6:12 First of all, it's likely Alice is deviant at this point. Secondly, we have no clue what red ice does and judging from the noises Todd makes when he smokes it, it's probably strong.
6:16 How did I not pick up on that before this?
6:54 Who said he was finished?
8:15 Here's my theory. When Conner's software instability increases, sometimes you can see fragments of "Deviant" and "Ra9". I think that androids see these things when becoming deviant.
8:51 We see Conner ingesting blood several times, while I'm aware of the differences between blood and spaghetti are tremendous, this show they might be able to eat, especially to simulate the family dinner time feel. I'll explain why Alice I think acts like she's not an android at the bottom cause fuck me this is hard on mobile.
10:02 Androids memories can be probed, they'd find out.
10:28 Because they didn't, it's a deviant. Note how he said tendency.
10:42 He wasn't expecting that response. You clearly don't have many dumb friends.
10:53 Carlos smoked red ice. See the bottom for my theory.
11:03 Probing the memory clearly scares him so it's easy to say it's not pleasant which means stress yadayada and self destruction. Keep in mind, they want to fix the deviant problem, not kill it off.
11:34 There may be an exception in the bus rule if it's to care for a minor.
11:58 Todd still drives. I'm pretty sure any id would've done.
12:04 It's possible Markus isn't the first to escape, who knows how long he was out. Also, the parts thing. Just be glad cyberlife invested in backwards compatibility.
13:31 You can find magazines that spread rumours that androids are just spies. Hank could think he's talking through a microphone to a person.
13:53 If you haven't noticed, there's no footage of the 2038 marathon around. They had to use something.
15:00 Or God forbid a machine made to chase criminals is better at chasing a criminal than a human.
15:02 Also, Conner is the first android detective. Even if there are more, why spend them all on one case, there can't be many if they're that new.
15:18 That took you 20 minutes? It's also used to introduce you to Markus' parkour thingie.
16:12 Hank has a car. There's an entrance to the roof right there, he likely cut him off.
17:10 Uh... did you forget she cut her hair and changed clothes?
17:25 Zlatko lives in a fucking mansion! How is that "rundown"?
17:43 It's likely he DOES know. Later on he tells Luther to "put IT in a cage."
18:21 Well, it's been a day and the police DID find her.
19:11 One, it's a polar bear which is extinct in this universe (check it's gallery info), two, it's a ROBOT polar bear. How can it get anymore badass!
20:00 Because Hank isn't a sex worker. One reason for disliking Conner is that he is inferior to Conner, Conner is going to replace him.
20:15 More Messiah connections with "Converting people with a touch." Plus, Markus is just trying to convince John when he does it the first time. This is how he finds out how powerful he is.
22:00 He's figuring out if Kara knows or not, he doesn't want to break her heart.
22:40 She clearly isn't looking at Markus though.
23:30 Yes but they don't want to be noticed on the way up. It's likely the cleaners have a strict schedule.
23:58 But he's demanding android rights, not deviant rights.
24:58 It's hinted that Alice doesn't know she's an android. Note how in the drawings, her blood is red.
26:00 If you haven't noticed, cars bring people places.
27:55 Well that depends. To kill Markus here, simply leave John behind at the docks. If you did do that and he still lives, turn on experienced mode.
27:58 Don't pretend you've never forgotten to tell someone a password.
28:44 His name is Gavin. It's implied he was going to take over the case and possibly wanted the glory. That's why he attacked Conner.
29:10 No, she's saying that he isn't a deviant but deep down, wants to become one.
29:54 Conner is the first detective android, he's gotta be known.
30:05 It may have to do with the fact Conner will shoot if Markus comes too close.
31:24 But you did sin it.
31:40 It's a politician. They dodge more questions than they answer.
31:58 Because they still trust Connor.
32:08 I don't think the guard can see anything through that helmet.
33:00 Maybe it's to do with the civil war rumoured to kick off in 10 minutes.
33:15 No, this was more of a back up plan for if Connor went rogue.
Now I have to explain the rest, huh?
Red ice: My explanation for the red ice attacks is that they induce rabies like symptoms. Note how they become aggressive on a dime. Also (this may be a stretch) rabies induced sensitivity to light. Todd and Carlos' houses were very dimly lit.
Alice: Alice doesn't know she's an android. In her drawing, her blood is red. She is also deviant. If she does know she's an android, she clearly doesn't want to be. She has the picture of Todd's real family because she yearns for an actual famliy.
If I made any mistakes, I apologise as it is 3AM where I am. This video is two months old no one will see this.
Ronan H This was amazing, how you went through and explained everything, especially for the people who only saw/played through the game once. This needs to be recognized more because you make excellent points and you correct the plot holes that he missed in his playthrough. Overall, excellent work 😊
DCGirlGamer Thank you!
I think the soldier can see trough the helmet because it's freaking future bro! But i think they dont have an android or face scanner in their helmer so they did not notice kara is an android.
Also, he sins the Red Ice "formula", but in reality it only shows the amount of each atom, not their actual formula/blueprint. Many drugs have similar amount and kinds of atoms, but their specific order is what makes the "effect", otherwise you could just replace cocaine with natriaded heptanole
I don't know if it was written somewhere in the game or on some sort of wiki, but I know I read somewhere that Alice bots are designed to act like kids no matter what is thrown at them. So even if Alice was aware she was an android, to which I think she is, she's not suppose to care because she's programmed to be a child and certain measures were made to create an authentic experience. (There's some mumbo jumbo written on that weird information slab about the removeable circle on the temples and blood colour and some random description guff.)
But seriously dude, that is beyond real. Excellent job with your nitpicks! I didn't even notice half of these myself.
A lot of the sins that poke at markus being able to instantly convert androids makes sense when you see how troubled Connor was when he learnt Simon's memories/death in a variant of the stratford tower investigation
12:15 they named it after the boat it was on, and this is foreshadowing that jericho IS later invaded and destroyed