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the one sin that makes the most sense - why the the hell did josh focus so much on torturing Sam and Chris soooo much, when they were the LEAST to blame? Chris was completely uninvolved and Sam LITERALLY TRIED TO STOP IT. Mike was the most at fault, followed by Jess since they both orchestrated it, and Josh literally sent them AWAY FROM ALL THE SHIT HE SET UP. The only things he did to Matt and Emily was lock a door and inadvertently send them up into a fire tower. It's so confusing
I agree. I guess you could say that Josh was planning to get to Mike/Jess and the others later on that night, but it still doesn't make sense that he'd go after Chris at all. The only explanation would be because Josh is mentally ill and wasn't thinking properly, or just because the writers were trying to throw people off.
he made chris the person to decide the choices and Sam idk. but because of the Wendigos Jess suffered alot, Mike did, Emily did, Matt, and Ashley.
TheMurrmursonbottle because movie... i mean plot
He had that line about needing a traumatic experience (Chris and Ashley) to bring them together. He wanted them to bond over it- but in the end, if Chris shoots Ash... her relationship meter plummets to zero and she gets him killed in the end lol. Good effort, Josh!
Chris and Sam are his closest friends, and Chris got effected the most because he wanted to see if he cared about him more than Ash. Also for the 2 to bond over, like Paul said
this game is one of the few "your choices will matter" games that seem to do their best to make it happen. you can kill every main character, you can miss large portions of the map, etc. It's probably as good as you can do without rewriting an entire game fourty times.
I agree with the above, this game only makes your choices relevant in life/death situations and not too much more, while DBH has so many different dialogue lines, situations and endings
And don't get me wrong, I quite like this game as well
Bwa Bwa Yoshi yup and not only does Witcher 3 have just as much choices AND is a fully playable game with many mechanics and player engagements and not just some glorified cinematic
@Shabre' both games are great, however Detroit is the best without a doubt
Shabre' i agree
i dont think you can call the cliches in this game "sins" since the game is literally based on horror movie cliches. thats the point of the game.
It makes Dartigans job easier.😊
I kept saying that throughout this list. This game's whole story was built on horror cliches. That was the point. It's SATIRE!
@@JaysPlace20 There's a difference between satire and bad dialogue writing. You can see how in Man of Medan without the supervision of Sony.
I loved the cliches, made the game so much more entertaining given the great plot in my opinion. But it's not for everyone.
@@codycantfocus Haven't played Man of Medan. Was considering it at one point, but haven't thought about it recently
"No guns in the Lodge"
Yeah, no shit. Josh made sure there were none because that would get him killed. Wat.
very good point, didn’t actually think of that
Lmao, imagine
"Oh, god! Shoot him!"
....
"Oh, f*ck we just killed Josh!"
Good point.
@@AuTTiE_bEE That would of been amazing!
Jess telling Emily that she has all the natural advantages is actually proving Emily's point of Jess having to sleep her way into a job
Also the fact that Jess thinks that they would WILLINGLY BREAK A WINDOW AND HER PHONE (which didn't break) AFTER BEING CHASED BE A BEAR (which probably wasn't a bear) for a prank
(Ding)
Because the anti-intellectualistic kids nowadays are actually proud of utilizing these "natural advantages" than having good grades, so Jess did not bother denying it.
Andy Gong "nowadays" lmfao
Wow Andy!
Thats a very... (Ding) of you.
One major problem with this game is how Josh focuses his revenge prank on Chris, Ash, and Sam when the major factors in the prank were Mike, Matt(who was recording), Emily, and Jess. Not to mention Chris was PASSED OUT with Josh during the prank and Sam had nothing to do with the prank and actually disapproved of what they were doing.
He had that line about needing a traumatic experience (Chris and Ashley) to bring them together. He wanted them to bond over it- but in the end, if Chris shoots Ash... her relationship meter plummets to zero and she gets him killed in the end lol. Good effort, Josh!
Chaz Chris, Ash, and Sam were literally the only ones with almost no part of the prank lol, he's prank in the wrong people
Even more fucked up in regards to Ashley is that she lets Chris die if he shoots at her, even when in the cutscene before that choice she BEGS him to shoot her instead!
Not to mention her idiocy over the wendigo bite when the Flamethrower Guy specifically says about five minutes ago that the only way to become a wendigo is to eat human flesh! I get that she was scared and freaking out, but goddammit she needs some common sense and a lot less hypocrisy.
Also, Ashley was in on the prank. She was the one hiding in the closet while giggling like a five-year-old.
Just for your information - blanks still have explosion and pressured gases, which means that if you put it next to your head and pull the trigger, you may die anyway.
Sidedpower 09688 Nah Ashley was in on it heavily. She apologizes for it when one of the characters confronts her about it. I forget who.
You should have sinned one of the most stupid moments in the game, which is when Sam and co. leave Ashley behind because they can't wait 5 seconds for her to close the sewer hole, leading to her potential death.
Also, Matt leaving his axe at the bottom of the radio tower when they think they're being chased by a psycho killer.
@J. Lee ha. loll. Yeap.
Or the fact that none of them get frostbite or hypothermia even though the are literally wading through water during a snowstorm
Yeah and the biggest sin in my opinion is the whole not moving thing because the wendigos can only see movement, the characters are moving *so* much in those don't move sequences
THESE. TWO. Moments annoyed me so much ohmygoshhhhh
I got an even more stupid one right... HOW ON EARTH DID JOSH TURN INTO A WENDIGO IF HES DEAD, WE LITERALLY SAW HIM GET KILLED IT MAKES NO SENSE
27:02 “THEN WHY DID YOU COME TO THE SAME PLACE WHERE THEY DIED LAST YEAR?!”
Thank God I wasn’t the only one who is pissed off at that
I don't think it was good either,but Josh says in the game he wants to do it to honor his dead sisters/closure
@@despop2342 what i love is when he says that he follows it up with "party like porn stars" ya know like the video they tried to make of Hannah as a prank. Like a small foreshadow that hes actually totally pissed at them all.
Probably cuz she thought Chris would be there too
"Your girlfriend is calling for help, saunter faster!"
Hahaha! Love that.
+MegaShinyObject me too. its funny.
MegaShinyObject that player right after I saw this comment
*This isn't Internet Jess. This is Real life - Mike 2015*
lmao
*****
I guess normal quotes are written this way. Mike says this in 2015 - kinda thing. That's not the joke.
Hashtag there's a freaking ghost after us
Are we going to ignore how all the characters specifically Mike walk around like it's not cold at all
Adrenaline. Makes you numb to the harsh weather. That’s why Mike was walking around no problem in a tank top😜
@@artisticfoxva yeah but adrenaline does last for 7 hours
@@perfumeridentityv603 Yeah, it lasts for 1 hour at the most, HOWEVER, when exposed to an unhealhty amount of stress, The adrenaline peaks and lowers until the stress is at a maintainable level. So he was most likely getting cold and numb over and over again.
@@artisticfoxva oh lol I meant to say doesn't
@@perfumeridentityv603 ik lol
I like how the Wendigo have really jerky, sudden movements. That kind of moving terrifies me, and is really good for making me hate the bloody things, in whatever form of media.
Yuno Gasai I remembered being terrified after I watched the game lmao and went onto watch actual horror stories of wendigos and couldn't sleep
I thought the same thing, and then I realized why- their movement reminds me of spiders.
@@wd3185 I dunno. Spiders seem to have rather a fluid and precise movement from how I see them.
@@eddthehead123 I think he’s talking about when a spider is jumping all over the place. When it’s doing that, it’s a really sudden jerky movement.
Spoiler alert:
The reason dropping the phone was so important is because Hannah survived the fall, it's just to make it more realistic why she couldn't call anyone for help. It doesn't seem important at the time but it's just to get rid of people saying "But she could've done this what an idiot"
+Thezaza400 It was Beth's phone, not Hannah's
KittyMaster 78 I know that.
+Thezaza400 plus dropping the phone is another cliché that is done just to be a cliché and thus it's not important
Aaron Page It happens to fill plot holes not to be some random cliche.
Thezaza400 but it is a cliché "*insert teen name* runs from a possible killer and drops the only way to call for help" you find it used a lot
I think the fact that Ashley kills Chris if he chooses to save himself rather than her should've been a sin. Especially since she was begging him to shoot her.
Ribby Agreed.
Except that she didn't think that he would actually do it. There's a difference to telling someone to kill you to keep themselves alive and actually seeing someone aim a gun at you and pull the trigger.
The developers said Ashley is traumatized and unstable later in the game. Go watch the Chris death scene when he shot her and died before he made it to the lodge. She still gets emotional and only snaps if he made it to the door. It is not something she would normally do.
Chris would never shoot Ashley. He would be very hypocritical to do so. It's a way to punish players for making an out of character and immoral choice, and I guess it's also there for the sake of having another important butterfly effect.
"Except that she didn't think that he would actually do it. There's a difference to telling someone to kill you to keep themselves alive and actually seeing someone aim a gun at you and pull the trigger."
I am more confused as to why people think that makes it the right thing to do. You should never be willing to hurt or kill someone you really care about for selfish reasons in my opinion, and as I said I don't think Chris would consider shooting her no matter what she said. It makes him seem insincere to shoot her after everything he's said to her.
@@mrsplays9817 are you fucking nuts? if i say that "SHOOT ME!" i fucking mean it, it's not like you will say shoot me and then hope that they will shoot themselves.
@Guck Foogle When Chris tells her "I'll get you out of this! I won't let you die! he also means it. We could debate on the sincerity of Ashley's words (I think she was sincere in that moment. She was expecting to die, and Chris shooting her is her breaking point), but the simple solution here is to not play Chris out of character as a selfish hypocrite. The double standard over hypocrisy annoys me.
Also the "fourth phone this year" thing makes Jessica look even worse, when you consider the fact that it is only February... the year began two months ago... HOW!??
she probably means since school started, lmao
@@SilverBlO0d Nah, Jessica doesn't know how to probably take care of her phone. Her parents must be super-rich to get her four phones in just a short time frame.
ikr if i lose one phone I won't get another one till I'm like 19 or 20 (I'm 13)
Or maybe she meant more like "in the last year". Not everyone refers to a year starting on exactly January 1st. June 6th to June 6th is still a year. Kinda like your birthday.
@@jimthar17 four phones within a year is still too much
ya know i never realized how weird it was that even though Jess was already part of the friend group from the opening, for some reason they switch to acting like she's a new addition.
Matt is the only new comer, it took me 4 times to realize this 😂😂😂 so yeah Jessica's entire demeanor is odd
Kara Bartley
Matt isn’t new, he’s the one recording the prank at the beginning
@@abbyhens5374 you're right I just noticed the last time I played that they are all there, I was in denial because of their weird interactions
@@karabartleythe new comer is actually Chris.
@@daryljosephsajulga4912 Chris was passed out with Josh when the prank happened, they'd been drinking. There's a brief scene that shows this
"This isn't the internet Jess, this is real life". Mike 2015.
My sides.
I found his entire character funny. Not counting the fact that he's a much better looking version of me
Jesus Hot Sauce Christmas Cake -Mike 2015
OMG when he said Hannah was a bitch I never really thought that until he explained it lol.
Royal PBJ true.
Royal PBJ As he said she did try to cheat with her friend's boyfriend.
I did^^
I feel a bit better about her death now. 😅
@@victoriasharpe1661 I was always fine with her death, she was the idiot that ran out into the freezing woods in the middle of the night. I don't care how embarrassed you are, no one does that *especially* with all the warning signs (jump scares) that should have warned her to go back
*chooses to shoot the squirrel*
“Chris is a bad person to squirrels”
Fails at quick time event
"Quick time events are too hard"
red when did he say that?
Jessica is mean to birds
Duh. He just doesn't like animal cruelty.
@@pleasewakeupkyodai869 who, op? This is a choice game, and theres options through out it to kill/hurt animals. Which usually results in the characters being worse off. When chris has the option to kill the bird, the game says 'sometimes its better to do nothing'. And to go back to op not liking animal cruelty, hes the one that shot the bird /nm
Characters don't see anything in the totem. Only players do.
Which is why they never seem to question what’s going on in the totem.
well, i mean, i get that the main point about totem’s is to help the player out, but it just doesn’t add up when the characters are the ones supposed to see trough the totem, it just makes it super unrealistic. why would they mind grabbing a totem just to contemplate it when they’re not even seeing anything of what we as players do see?
@@jessicalorc9028 two things 1. It’s a video game. And 2. These are very stupid cliche horror movie kids. Of course they’re going to pick up some dope looking totem and wonder why it’s there in the first place.
There's enough starwipes to create a whole new constellation.
+EnvyMizuhashi Orion, Big Dipper, Scorpio, and the Jumpscare Nebula. Seems legit.
There's a "gaming sins" on another channel that's very clearly sponsored and scripted with very unfunny jokes and sins that aren't really sins, just stupid nitpicks. I've seen a couple of them, and I have to say, You actually put a ton of love and effort into it that surpasses what people paid to do it do with a writing staff and sponsorship could ever do.
You have more than earned a subscriber, a view on every video from me, and a couple handful of thumbs ups. Very well done.
+hrrassed usr Thanks for your support hrrassed usr. I put a lot of time and work into each episode so I'm happy that people really appreciate that aspect of my vids.
+MichaelKlump GCN are awful, all of their sins are just bullshit and unfunny.
+hrrassed usr I saw that channel after seeing this one. I checked out their Last of Us video and never went back. There wasn't anything clever and the guy was just nitpicking.
just subscribe you don't need to brag about it
+MichaelKlump Yeah, I understand what you mean, I just feel Dartigan actually comes up with reasonable sins whereas GCN don't even know the true facts about games and have been incorrect on numerous occasions.
33:46
This death actually makes complete sense, the guy may be an expert in dealing with these things but in this situation he was out of his element. Up until this point he dealt with the wendigos by himself, difference is this time around he had someone with him. Rewatch the scene, basically Chris inadvertently caused his death by being in the way of his flamethrower blast preventing what could've been an effective hit that routed the wendigo. The stranger had both himself and someone else to look out for which split his attention and focus, barking orders at Chris while simultaneously trying to contend with the wendigo. The stranger lasted as long as he did because he only had himself, and his survival/methods were solely catered to that. I guess you can consider it an uncontrollable butterfly effect the likes of which wrote the guy's death in stone by Chris making the choice to go look for Josh, had the stranger gone by himself he likely would've survived.
What do you mean? Handigo literally killed him from an angle where Chris wasn't in the way. Also Jack Fiddler was raising wolves. For him to not be able to adapt his fighting style would be a pretty bad oversight. His death is forced by the fact that in the event that you save everyone and Josh doesn't get killed by Hannah, he needs a human sustenance that would transform him into a wendigo and sequel bait. In the beta version of the game, Jack Fiddler suffers a more pathetic death without Chris putting him in any jeopardy, so his death is pretty much a confirmed plot induced stupidity.
@@smaragdchaos Flamethrower Guy™️ wasn’t able to see the wendigo from the side because he was too busy barking orders at Chris to keep him safe 😩
The point still stands
@@minersheep8285 That's still a sorry excuse for his death. Scripted death is a scripted death. Saying Chris was at fault because Wendigo assaulted Jack Fiddler from a blind angle doesn't change anything and is a poor attempt at damage control. If nothing else, it's sinful as hell the game gives you a don't move segment here when it makes no damn difference to begin with whether you fail it or succeed it
@@smaragdchaos His death made plenty of sense. The guy was not used to working with other people and survived on his own for so long which works better for some people. This channel just sins dumb stuff to sin it most of the time lol
@@tmm4195 Again, his death made no sense, the claim that he's not used to working with other people or that Chris caused his death is so overrated and stupid. It's pretty obvious from the death scene that Chris wasn't even remotely responsible for his death, the death was just stupid to begin with because it was scripted
If you choose for Matt to try to save Emily, Matt will die, and in the ending police interrogation, Emily says she doesn't care about Matt because he left her there to die. But, if you choose to leave Emily to fall, resulting in Matt gets to live (depending on if you don't die later while playing as Matt), and then Emily is all concerned about if Matt is alright or not. Did they accidentally switch those to scenes in the credits for Emily? Either way, what a bitch. *Sin*
Or, Matt can survive if he has the flare gun and depending on which choice you make in the lodge when she’s arguing with Jess, then you control him again in chapter 9 or 10 and he’s with Jess
He only dies if you try to save Em twice, you don’t have the flare gun, or you have it but agreed to to go with Em thus Matt fires the flare gun rendering it useless. Em will always be concerned for Matt as long as you sided with her during the argument with Jess and maintained their (Matt and Em’s) relationship high.
@@Soveny1HaHaHammyx bruh I tried to help her in every single prompt and both of them still lived. But yeah emily was a bitch just like jessica and ashley.
@@0subsWith0vidsChallenge That means you had the flare gun and had disagreeed with her. She may have been a bitch but she wasn't a whiny little shit like Ashley and didn't get traumatized thus had to be saved like Jessica. She knew where she was standing and had to undergone just as much as everybody else. Ashley was a hypocrite and Jessica was a sex maniac until this happened to her whereas Emily had always been smart and she was the only one who suggested going to check if Josh WAS actually dead. Had the player the option to do that with her, there would have been no Until Dawn.
@@Soveny1HaHaHammyx wtf did you even say. Emily was a bitch. She complained about every single thing. I tried saving her every single time and at the end she hated matt for leaving her to die when it was all bs.
Seems like they went for the "Everyone lives" ending. Unlike telltale, your choices really do matter.
Yup. Everyone could die if your picked the wrong choices
Except that's the only real game-changing choices you make. Who lives or dies. Literally everything else is the exact same.
Grammar Nazi no there were some changes
The only decisions that have any consequences whatsoever are the life-and-death ones. Beyond that, other things are just tiny details that don't matter on the long run.
Brianna Chiavetta
I think Sam died
I can tell because the ending
Chris is a dick to squirrels.
Crows are dicks to Sam
I died laughing XD
haha yes You don't have to kill the squirrel. I chose not to when I played through the game.
Michelle T. Same. Alot of his points are bullshit
haha yes I'm going to kill all the squirels in the world 😈
"Dawn, at the earliest. Not until dawn, over."
"Role credits."
This bothers me so much but holy shit it is such great wordplay.
Actually at 16:40, in the basement scene while Sam and Josh are talking, there’s a few seconds where you can see Chris sneaking around behind the shelves to get past them. It’s very subtle, but that’s how he gets down into the basement past them.
Also Emily got the guy’s bag in the mines. He threw it to her because it had the road flares in it, and the journal was in there as well.
I feel so sorry for Josh :'( He was obviously sick and needed help beyond that asshole doctor. Not to mention that even his "friends" are completely apathetic to his obvious Paranoid Schizophrenia. The meds he was on were for depression, not PS. There is no happy ending for him. He doesn't get to go home. He doesn't get to get any help. Just death from a harsh, uncaring world.
Some of that information is from theories. Theories aren't true. They're POSSIBLE, but not true.
+Vince Shadell so you like matpat huh
Dr hill was actually very kind, if you find Josh's phone you can see that they were on a first name basis with each other. He only appeared crazy through Josh's hallucinations.
strahinjagov He wasn't even given the right meds. He was given meds for depression, not Paranoid Schizophrenia, which is what he should have been treated for. And the "good" doctor seemed more interested in staring out windows spouting cryptic bullshit than actually helping Josh.
+Vince Shadell like I said, he wasn't really like that, that was just josh's hallucination. if you read the texts on josh's phone (if you find it) you'll know that. it also says it on the wiki.
You missed "Clearly experienced survivor with years of history fighting the Wendigo dies five minutes after hes introduced."
Great vid dude, better than the competing gaming sins channels.
33:37 it's not directly said. He does however conveyed the message.
If im not mistaken he dies because Mike tries to run and then he notices them both standing there. if it was just him he would have survived.
Halucygeno he had Chris to protect and when Chris ran the stranger had one choice sacrifice yourself so Chris can (potentially) survive.
@@johnsonl82 He didn't exactly sacrifice himself, he just died because of Chris, that's all.
Honestly, I think that was a really good twist. The wendigo are ruthless and even having decades of experience, one small opening can lead to death. Goes to show how powerful and scary they are. It also makes the situation even scarier, even flamethrower guy couldn't win in the end, what chances do a bunch of teens have?
I love how ALLL the girls have perfectly manicured nails that stay perfect until the end of the game. Check it if you don't believe me.That's almost impossible.
Just as unrealistic as that super-glued towel
until dawn is a game about how a prank goes wrong and freddy mercury wants revenge.
That song is saying "oh death"? That makes way more sense, I thought it said "oh dad"
+Ionlymadethistoleavecoments You must have been playing too much Shower With Your Dad Simulator.
+gnarkillguch game of the year ;)
+Ionlymadethistoleavecoments Legit though the song was oh dad, until now, and had no idea what that had to do with anything in this game
Markiplier played this game, at the playing of the song, he asks if it is singing about death. Ironically the song is called O Death. (I know that we all know that is the title of the song but I don't think he knew this when he said that.)
+Ionlymadethistoleavecoments That... is slightly disturbing.
The Starwipe shall be the response for all future lame jumpscares. So say we all.
+Codo So say we all
+Mort Onmaz (Mortlestiltskin) Such a shame that show got royally fucked by the writers strike. The first couple seasons were really good.
gnarkillguch I think it was absolutely perfect to the very end ;-;
Shame it ended.
Mort Onmaz
I'm glad you enjoyed it. The last season completely lost me.
+Codo Are there any _other_ types of jumpscares?
This game was great but I just never got over the fact that sam and mike never froze to death. They were terribly underclothed and they even waded in water, which would surely result in hypothermia. Also Sam packed rock climbing clothes as if she knew she was going to climb
Can’t believe this game has been out for 5 years already
Emily also claimed that that shirt she ripped to light her torch cost $600. It was a grey turtle neck. Where the hell do you find a grey turtle neck worth $600?!
+PassTheMarmalade1957 Probably one from Kanye West's band.
+PassTheMarmalade1957 It wasn't her turtleneck - she used the belt from her jacket.
+Ian Cooper Soooooo her belt was $600???
+PassTheMarmalade1957 Go to Rodeo Drive in LA and see some of the ridiculous prices. You'll see this was actually quite believable.
+Ian Cooper "I looked really good in that *top*"
"this game is already too much like supernatural" OOHHH SHIIIITTT
5th time watching this and I still don't get why they didn't bring any snacks and drinks with them...
Or any meals, for that matter
I want to see a playthrough of this game where everyone makes the choices that the characters would genuinely make, given their personalities
that was how i played cause i thought it would give me the good ending if i kept their personality traits at their original level, it did not go well LMAO
@@gabbyniquehow many characters did you manage to save, out of curiosity?
That was how I played LOL but for some it was challenging - for example Matt barely has a personality so making his choices was difficult
@@paigestubbs9718for me I saved Sam Matt and Emily
"When are you gonna take her to the BONE ZONE?"-Josh 2016
"Jesus hot sauce Christmas cake, this is fucking unbelievable."- Mike 2016
"A sexcapade." Jess 2016
"Understand the palm of my hand, bitch." Emily 2016
"Whatever you say, princess." Matt 2016
"Boom. Butterfly effect." Chris 2016
" Just GO, get OUT OF HERE!" Ashley 2016
"Well, it seems a towel doesn't seem to be the best outfit for fighting off killer maniacs." Sam 2016
"Hold on! Hold on!" Beth 2015 ( the year before)
"I'm such an idiot. I'm so dumb." Hannah 2015
"This mountain don't belong to the Washingtons. This mountain belongs to the wendigo." Flamethrower guy 2016
"Michael and I are gonna FUCK! We are gonna HAVE SEX, AND ITS GONNA BE HOT, SO ENJOY IT, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO!"- Jess 2016
(I found a better quote, don't mind if I do this often.)
"You're terrible fear... Of isolation." Dr. Hill, 2016
"Chris and Ash, Chris is an ass, Ashley's a dumb dumb" - Josh 2015*
+MzScorpio87 haha Josh is so hilarious
True xD
Don't understand why people like Hannah so much. She didn't deserve to die, sure. But she wanted to get it on with a friend who was her other friend's boyfriend. If that isn't a breach of confidence that deserves total humilation, I don't know what is. I just can't bring myself to like her. Emily though at least is honest in her egotism and one hell of a tough woman. Ashley is the most human, tries to stay strong but succumbs to her weakness now and then. Sure, I also like Sam, but she's practically superhuman in terms of abilities and psyche. That's reassuring, but not very entertaining.
SplendidXShot wish Chris would also show humanity, he isn’t really human either, while running / fighting the wendigo he seemed like a soldier, he isn’t scared until it grabs him, although this could be explained by adrenaline, afterwards he should be heavily panting, or severely scared.
Why do you say hannah the one who's bitching? What about mike manipulating her to have a crush on him? So you know it's not our fault to have a crush on someone
sam is a superhuman?? the 17 year old mike cutted his own fingers and then he went wolf hunting with a gun and a machete in a bloody wife-beater shirt, and he stays calm even when he finds a dead body in the sanatorium's morgue... sam is the only girl in this game who actually tries to do something, all the other girls are super annoying. they doing nothing but crying and yelling, wich woluld be the most realistic thing to do in this situation in real life both for tenaage girls and teenage boys, but then again: only the girls are like that in this game, this is the big problem.
@@24medine there is a difference between having an inclination and acting on it, Hannah decided to act on her crush, yeah Mike was definitely doing a bad thing, but that doesn't make Hannah innocent either.
@@24medine How did Mike manipulate her? Elaborate pls
I have a sin: How did Josh know the exact position to set up those dolls in when he was passed out during that entire incident? I suppose he might have been able to guess based on the video Matt took, but that's a stretch.
Maybe he knew because of the investigation? Like, Beth and Hannah “disappeared” on that night. There was police involved to look for them. So it’s not impossible they tried to reconstruct the moments before Hannah and Beth run out of the house
@@fallenwarlock2418 I suppose that's somewhat plausible. Still kind of a stretch, but hey, it's a video game. Sometimes suspension of disbelief is needed.
Josh, video taped everything. Remember?
@@shaungarrett5291 How would Josh know to do that? He was passed out downstairs with Chris when that whole initial incident went down
@@JaysPlace20 yes, but through the whole game, hidden cameras were everywhere, so why wouldn't he have them there in the beginning?
I loved this game when I bought it. I still think it's great. But the story sure relies on a lot of stupid events to work. The biggest one being the twins never being found. They were literally down in the most likely place, very close to the house, easily accessible by anyone, specially a rescue team...
Yes, probably a plothole, however there is a sinister explanation for this. Look up "Until Dawn Totem Movie Flashback". Flamethrower dude was hunting the Makkapitew, basically the main wendigo, which can't be killed for good because by killing its body, the spirit is released. So his goal was to trap the Makkapitew, but he had to abandon his plan when he tried to help the girls. In doing so the Makkapitew had him backed into a corner, where the girls fell, so he was forced to kill it to survive. Which means the spirit was freed and his life goal of trapping it was shattered. But there was an unexpected opportunity: Hannah had survived and would soon be starving near her dead sister ... The Flamethrower dude barricaded the entrances to the mines, so that Hannah could not escape and he misled the search and rescue parties. Then ... all he had to do, was to wait ... until his hunt could continue ...
@@vandecasa3795 I think up to the main wendigo possessing Hannah is right, but I figure the burial prevented them from finding Beth and Hannah wasn't caught because she was moving about.
@@vandecasa3795 the thing is, it’s not very common for humans to eat other humans so makkapitew could have easily never come back 🤷♀️ but that still is the only somewhat reasonable theory i’ve seen on why the stranger didn’t check on the twins.
How did josh know where everyone was in the prank if he was passed out at the time?
marshma llowsxoxo He got the video that they were recording.
I Calarmati That still doesn't explain him getting it EXACTLY correct.
Djrocks Gaming It does the video showed where everyone was
So wouldn't he conclude that Sam wasn't involved and not jam a needle into her neck?
maybe there were cameras? they are rich and letting their high school kids stay at a snow lodge by themselves, its realistic
How does the ENN stay on the air when their only listeners are protagonists, you ask?
Because EVERYONE is a protagonist. In that world, every individual is the star of his or her own specific storyline, and the ENN takes care of the exposition for ALL OF IT.
They are an extremely powerful and thorough network.
Hey!
Protagonist's syndrome!
That's an actual psychological condition!
*****
Not quite.
protagonist's syndrome is just thinking in terms of: "I'm the most important person/thing in the universe! Everything is centered around me!"
*****
It's less severe than narcissism.
+AnonYMoose I have that..
Why is it that in anything horror, everyone loses the ability to flick a goddamn light switch?
probably cuz the killer might know where they are if the lights are on thats how burglars know if someones home too most of the time
Your actions actually do effect the outcome in this game
But in a lazy way. He clearly showed some decisions that did not change what the characters would Do next. All they did was alter a "relationship-score" that may or may not affect something in the future.
21:31 Emily is LITERALLY saying what the player has to do. I love games that reference the player.
So you're not gonna point out that Jessica was standing still when the Wendigo grabbed her?
Sure, she was moving and shouting outside before
But the moment the Wendigo actually attacked her she was leaning against the door
the reason it took sam “so long” to draw the bath was because all most the events are all happening at the same time. as mike and jess go up to the cabin is right when sam goes to start her bath so the scene where she says “hardy-hard” is happening as jess and mike are going to the cabin. its all happening at the same time
He forgot to mention that the wolf made no sound as the Wendigo approached it. Mike is calling for the wolf to jump down with him and as the Wendigo came up on the wolf Not Once did the wolf growl nor did it at least whimper out of fear. It didn't even yelp before it died. The fuuuck.
Her dropping the phone in the beginning is shown to you, because, otherwise, why wouldn't she call someone after she fell, that dropping the phone is their 'Look, she dropped the phone, she can't call for help now'.
This game is very creepy. Not because it's trying to be, but because the faces give me the uncanny valley effect.
Lol ikr
That and it leaves a few unanswered questions. Like is the guy with the machete supposed to be flamethrower dude? Or Josh? Or your everyday resident serial killer?
+Gesshoku X not if you play the whole game. The machete guy is the flamethrower guy.
the machete guy is Josh, there is no killer. everything was made up by Josh +Sadorian Robertson no it's Josh do you EVER see flamethrower guy with a dumb mask with a long hair back to it? no, the answer is no
Aaron Page
Actually yeah, we do see Flamethrower Guy with a mask and long hair. We also grab his machete when we're playing as Mike.
Pause at 17:43 and look at the background
Who is that, is that the hologram?
Damn son you got sharp eyes
@@migueloliveira2130 My guess would be whoever's spirit their talking to, Hannah or Beth, even later when Ash sees a spirit of one of the 2.
Oh shit
Why is this not counted as a sin?
Actually, sanatoriums build on mountains were a real thing. People used to believe that mountain air was good for tuberculosis. Their logic was: "Well, the air on this mountain seems to be pretty dry... It totally will dry the moisture from my patient's lungs"!
Marta Tarasiuk well, it DID help tuberculosis a little bit
@@esppupsnkits4560 I would say that it depends on each eventual case. Some tuberculosis patients can even get worse when overexposed to dry air.
"Mike should have shot him, he's heavily armed"
Said the guy who just sinned someone for thinking the gun would actually shoot.
Only chris and Ashley knew that the gun had fake bullets yet they didn't bother warning mike about it. Strange that he was able to threaten josh since he knew too. The writers missed an opportunity not letting mike shoot the flamethrower guy.
He wasn't holding the same gun.
Elias Villa Different guns
That was obviously a another gun... The gun Chris had was some regular pistol
And Mike had a Revolver or Pyton in his hand.. (Dunno what the guns names are not a expert of guns..) Gun looked way more bigger and looked like it would blow your head off
Different guns. Can't you tell the difference between a revolver and a pistol?
Obviously you can't control how the prologue turns out. It HAS to happen to set the events for the rest of the game. Why do people always complain about this point?
Why are you given a choice if it's not going to change anything?
That's what annoys me
Huhbuhduh Because the prologue breaks you into how the game works. Obviously including some "choice" parts.
Seriously, on first playthrough, was anyone complaining? No. Why? Because they didn't know better or care. The plot itself was enough to keep them hooked.
+Huhbuhduh towards the very end of the game Hannah is found to have eaten Beth, if I remember correctly, if you make Beth let her go, there will be no note from Hannah apologizing to Beth. So it *does* change something, but not very much. I might be being stupid and remembering wrong though XD
also, it's supposed to be a tutorial for the game.
Well, if it didn't happen, there would be no plot/story is a LOT different
Here's another sin: If Chris knocks Josh out in the shed, Handigo still manages to find Josh and kidnaps him, even though an unconscious target shouldn't be moving and wendigos are effectively blind to stillness.
Good point. Also, do we ever get an explanation why Handigo didn't kill Josh right away? The second time she does kill him.
In the game's defense, he could have woken up by that time and started freaking out.
@@leonpaelinck If that was the case, the game should've at least addressed it. And like you said, Handigo not killing Josh is a plothole. Handigo had no memories of Josh as confirmed by a later event where Josh has to scream out Hannah's name to save his life, else Handigo crushes his head on the spot and that's it for Josh.
@@smaragdchaos It depends on when Josh discovers that Hannah is a Wndigo, if he finds out earlier she doesnt kill him
@@MiguelSanchezDelVillar That's what I said
18:50, the game takes place on February 2nd-3rd, what the hell has she been doing to break three other phones
I lose all respect for Until Dawn videos when they say your choices don't matter. I've seen a lot of different outcomes. They matter. Also the fact that they die whether or not you drop Hannah or let go is important. That's the past. You can't change the past.
256 different outcomes btw
HonBon96 at least this ones better cough CGN
John Heneghan CGN literally just copies the sins from Dartigan
I think it's the illusion of choice despite it being a fixed event that is annoying
ya what u said is true. but when the game is like 'ur choices affect the ending', people expect something more than this. as @elias lowe said, its just an illusion of choice. At the start of the game itself, no matter which choice u make, both hannah and beth will fall and beth will die... which contradicts the whole point of the game.
18:51 "they were all iPhones, meaning nothing of real value was lost." hahahhahahahahhahah, couldn't agree more!
Another sin: I didn't see the characters eat or drink anything so how did they have the energy to run? I would've been starving after the first hour 😭
First of all… you prolly fat af… plus it’s only a day, plenty of movies do the same thing
adrenaline. they were being chased by wendigos, so I don't think they would have time for snacks anyway. they were just running on pure adrenaline.
Going 10 hours without food is easy
@@sundustfromjupiter64 true, but still, not a single candy bar or anything? I woulda resorted to cannibalism too LMAO
"I can't imagine doing anything worse to someone"
Have you ever seen a film called Carrie?
Oh my gosh imagine how bad it would’ve bend if they did that instead.
Real talk, teenagers in that book were crazy.
Why do people view Carrie as the villain in that movie?
Shit, has he ever read the NEWS?
How did they lie about Emily's character bio? It's completely accurate lol.
Intelligent - yes.
Resourceful - yes
Persuasive - yes + the fact that Matt is a total pushover which makes it easier too.
Savoni Yes, some of this guy's points are bullshit
Savoni She's not at all intelligent, exceptionally resourceful, or persuasive.
Djrocks Gaming How? Where’s the proof/examples? That’s what this comment is saying
Savoni
Intelligence... She makes a stupid decision to head BACK into the forest, to call for help, and also thinks the Black Guy can jump to the Cart.
Why rely to a comment that's a year old, I do not know!
" take off your shirttt "
" it offends the spiritsss "
" I'm defiantly not Hannah/Bethhhh "
Nobody has like ever noticed the other windigos have clothes yet Hannah is wearing panties. She was dressed. Two sets of clothes even.
I know I'm late... but maybe because she got far bigger than the others, her clothes got ripped
1. she’s bigger than the other wendigos and the others are men so she must have grown more than they have. the wendigo that fought mike in the sanatorium is not even that much bigger than mike.
2. the others’ miner uniforms are probably more stiff than hannah’s blouse and jeans
Until Dawn is one of the best games I have ever played!
My parents walked in when Jess yelled “Mike and I are going to f***! That’s right! We are going to have s**, and it’s going to be hot!” And it was really awkward
nolanc94 LOL.
@@nolanc9432 You don't need to censor sex.
You don't need to censor f*ck either, but CZcams may very well shadow-delete a comment with that.
@@AppleOfThineEye “you don’t need to censor f*ck” you say while censoring fuck
@@whenthe4402 +1 *ding*
these actors are in their mid twentys and they are supposed to be playing teens ?
no dude, the actors are in their mid twentys and they are playing characters that are in their twentys
They are all teens apart from Josh :)
@@Dark_Voice They're all in college/out of highschool.
@@yoshifan33 What I said is true though.
Ashley, Jess, Matt are 18; Chris, Sam, Emily and Mike are 19; Josh is 20
@@Dark_Voice Oh - my bad.
@@yoshifan33 Brett Dalton who played Mike was in his 30s when he did this game thats way too old
Also Jordan Fisher who plays Matt was actually the right age he was only 20 roughly when he did this game
well, Hannah and Beth both HAD to fall of the cliff, otherwise the story wouldn't have worked... who played through the whole game, knows what I mean
Oh and the other choices effect your story and the end for real.
they will always both fall
Okay but why give us that choice then? Why not just have them die in a cinematic like the flamethrower guy?
@@leonpaelinck The Flamethrower guy also had a pointless don't move segment. Why give that option if succeeding or failing doesn't matter and he dies to Handigo anyways?
@@smaragdchaos my bad. Then it's even worse than I remember.
All of these sins are worthy, but this is still one of my favorite games.
You forgot that they all had the most boring cliche names that make it difficult to remember who they are:
Ashley
Samantha
Jessica
Emily
Chris
Michael
Matt
Josh
Literally the most boring names ever. And almost everyone who played through it struggled to remember whos who bc their names are so not unique or can be even possibly tied in w their personality or appearance to help memory
That's because they're in the top 10 most popular names of 1980, I believe.
Aunt Jemima The game doesn’t even take place in the 1980s, nor does it ever even mention the 1980s though.
@@craftymasterproductions4218 syrup lady never said the game takes place in 1980 she only said that those were popular names in 1980
Arrio Abundez Oh, okay
Instead, let’s call them:
Chadwick
Richie Jr.
KuKlus The Fighter
Portable Charger
The One That Is A Woman IV
Pertaining
Geography of Vulvas
Ophelia
Even with the flaws I liked untill dawn it could have been better and for sure could have been worse
This is the only game where the sins don't matter, because it was made to be a "bad" game, based on the cheesy horror comedies, like Friday the 13, Nightmare On Elm Street and others.
@@danielm.595 Is Nightmare Street anything like Nightmare On Elm Street?
@@R.I.P-Geno-Cultshit Oof, sorry 'bout that, I'm not from US, my mind fecked it a little, gonna change it now.
"Even with the flaws i like Until Down..." lol.
Same, I would have forgiven this game's lie that every choice will completely change the plot if there was an option to save Josh.
Add ANOTHER sin because in that Saferoom sin, if Emily is left alive and Ashley reads that book, Ash says "Oh no, no,no,no"
It's a sin because she reacts so fucking inappropriate for the scene at hand!
The tone doesn't tho
I always find myself coming back to this video 4 years later. i played the hell out of this game and got the platinum trophy.
Your humor and how you describe the characters in the game makes me cry laugh at some points. I loved this game and i love this video.
This was a new gaming experience I enjoyed immensely, cliche on purpose had it's faults but overall pretty awesome
The "Mike - 2015" quotes were cracking me up. I actually laughed out loud instead of breathing heavily through my nose with humor!
THEN WHY DID YOU COME TO THE SAME PLACE WHERE THEY DIED LAST YEAR... This, this alone made me finish this video, sub and watch 8 others at 6 am.
27:02, LMAO, One of my favorite sin line.
Same
Very true, but it's only been 1 year, and I think what Ashely means is that she wants to feel forgiven for her part in Beth and Hannah's deaths. And it probably feels like doing Josh a favor is the only way to make amends, since he's their brother.
Orisha R closure???
That line had me creasing!😂
This game is actually really good though, literally one of the best choice games out there
6:43 And YOU actually chose to shoot the squirrel. It would be a sin for the creators to give you the choice to shoot it. And according to GCN,if you did shoot it,you’re a sh*thead beyond measure.
That’s true, forgot he actually plays the games
The funny thing is I kinda feel some kind of remorse for making this comment but 16 people liked it and you said this comment which actually makes me feel different about my comment.
I think he meant like "why do you give me the choice to kill a bird in a game, Im not gonna feel bad about it, but Chris now seems a much worse person ingame"
Its quite an important question in game design, because if you desperately want to make the player choose obvious "good" and "bad" scenarios that are mega obvious, many people will just go for the evil path bc why not? Its a game. Many people just do not get attached by obvious setups from games. Thats why W3 f.e. is so effective. It tends to give you two rotten apples as a choice, and you just have to choose your morally grey path.
Yeah that makes sense. But here’s a question: Why do I see some youtubers actually want to make good choices first instead of bad ones when they could just make the bad choices first and then hit the reset button especially when they seem like they took making good choices seriously.
@@eramo607productions6 I think it really depends on how invested the person is playing the game, youtuber or not. I just observed again and again that if you introduce someone early into the game and expect the player to immediately be invested into said character; many players (especially those that have experienced game stories for 20+ years by now) tend to just go "ugh; sure". As a game designer; you gotta trick the player into actually bonding with your characters throughout the game; else; if its forced, or too obvious; it can backfire quickly.
I think Nier: Automata did this quite well. It starts off and is like "heyyyy look at those mega cliché, superficially sexy designed anime battle androids, go and kill dumdum robots!" Then starts entangling the players until it has them hooked, to then tighten the grip further and further until the very essence of the game; the avatars and the connection to the player have been crushed; grinded to dust; and blown into the wind.
Unm...why am I being so dramatic? Im rambling at this point xD
Naturally its stupid to expect such a story and such an execution from many games; its just an example that really worked for me. I was very disinterested in the characters and narrative at first, and just wanted some fun gameplay, but then caught myself really being bummed out and distraught by the later events.
17:04 Ashley broke the #1 rule when it comes to ouija boards: NEVER ask if there's anyone there. You risk summoning demons and allowing them to hijack your body. Damn Ashley, do you not watch cliché horror movies?!
Scorpio The Scorpion Learn something new everyday. I’ve never heard of that rule.
"Plus she's rich."
"Hannah is a b*tch"
Yo that rhymed
All I wanna know is why Sam didn't warn Hannah that they were trying to prank her. People are always saying she wasn't involved but she was fully informed of the prank.
Romance girl
“Man one, fire zero.” - Mike 2015
U probably know this but I still want to say it, you do know that the game is based on horror cliches right?
MegaMrbeta not really they wanted to do the opposite of clichés. they want to give players control. that's how they marketed this
thunder al no they made it cliche on purpose
Jeremy Yoder no, they tried really hard not to do cliche as fuck, fucked up, and really nervously laughed and went "no no no, it's not cliche! Okay, it's cliche, we did that on purpose, right guys?! *nervous confused nodding from entire development staff*
Acerbic Geoff bullshit
Its obviously cliches. The funny guy, the shy girl, the normal one, the hot girl, the hot guy, the athletic guy, the bitch, and ofc the phsyco. All cliches on purpose. Then the twists, the cheesy jokes (that I actually enjoyed tbh) and the cheap jumpscares. All on purpose. If anyone even thinks this was a serious game they arent the brightest.
See, when I say "I'm just getting into the bath!" I mean that the water has filled the tub, I'm probably half way naked at least, and I've already got one foot in the tub.
When Sam says she can't help Josh set up the fire because she's "just about to get into the bath", she's fully clothed and hasn't drawn any water at all.
This was honestly something that ticked me off so damn much
Out of all the sins, that's the one that got you upset? What if some people do that in real life?
@@JohnPerry27 why you taking it seriously tho
or or she said that cuz she didn't want to do it and didn't want to go and help him
"See, when I say "I'm just getting into the bath!" I mean that the water has filled the tub, I'm probably half way naked at least, and I've already got one foot in the tub."
she filled the bath without checking and then realized there was no hot water. so she got dressed again. still stupid
@@lonewolf3138 Ironic comment considering the original comment was about taking something dumb seriously
This is my favorite of your videos. I've listened to this (I listen to youtube while working) over 10 times and counting. Thank you Dartigan. Thank you for all the entertainment you provide, with your ours of recording and editing (I know how hard and boring it can get).
For the game's defense, Chris IS humorous.
His humor's just shit is all
To become humorous, is to have a shitty humor.
Am I the only one who thought Matt was way hotter than Mike? Matt is probably the only likable character (in my opinion anyway) in the whole game besides Sam. Mike just reminds me of Nathan Drake who's kind of a douche. He also looks like the kind of guy who'd enjoy a Jersey Shore episode.
Again just my opinion.
+Isabella Regaldo Poor Matt. Dragged all over a cursed mountain by his bitch girlfriend and then nearly eaten alive by Wendigos, only for his motion capture actor to never be listed in the credits. Talk about screwing over the black guy.
CreditR01 Lmao that sucks. I wonder if the motion capture actor is aware of this.
+CreditR01 um that was an accident
+Isabella Regaldo Who is this "Mike" you're talking about? That's clearly Agent Grant Ward deep under cover. How else would explain a supposed douchey highschool jock performing all those bad ass stunts.,...?
He was probably sent there after the Wendigo so they can make an army of super human cannibals.
P.S. Hail Hydra.
Sarcasm
Dartigan is amazing, but he DID have *one* error. At 26:46, he said that it was a dollhouse diorama of the prank they pulled on Beth, but HANNAH was the one being pranked, not Beth. She just chased after her when Hannah stupidly ran outside without any warm clothes or jacket.
also when he told about the blanks it wasnt chris's gun but the one mike found in the sanatorium and also chris prank if u look very good you can see him walk behind the shelves from sam and josh but its only a couple of seconds so he didnt set up there but walked there before he pranked them
@@blacknoodles1103 You've got it wrong. What Mike had found in the sanatorium was a revolver, whereas Josh's handgun was a semi-automatic pistol. Mike was carrying Josh's handgun when he took Josh to the shed, not the revolver that he had found in the sanatorium. They're both fundamentally different.
firing blanks at yourself at point blank would still kill you, due to the force of the exhaust from the mini explosion from the cartridge
I havent seen or played this with subtitles so when you pointed out that "mike - 2015" i laughed hard
"I remember that thing that happened right behind me that I never saw."- Dartigan
That had me laughing
You and GCN should do a collaboration together.
+jettythesunfish NO
no GCN isn't good.
FinalConduitZeroThree
GCN has its charm, so why not?
+jettythesunfish I think GCN had too many unfunny opinionated sins.
FinalConduitZeroThree
And Cinemasins didn't?
"This scene does not contain a lap dance."
I've been watching several of these sin videos lately and they are plateaus above any other channels. I find you have a very sarcastic humor and I love sarcastic humor. Keep up the awesome videos!
The big one you missed was how the dispatcher clearly asked Emily to speak slowly and clearly, and she continued to freak out.
That's actually realistic. For some people it's literally impossible to calm down when they're scared.
@@mirinae6579 That's the same as people calling Mario a murderer for stepping on his enemies when the player could literally beat the game without killing a single enemy.
I work in a hospital doing emergencies and it's impossible to get people to calm down when they are panicking.
But he was the one that chose to do that
@@mirinae6579 Yeah he’s sinning quite a few things that are avoidable depending on your choices. They’re mostly done for comedic effect in the vein of CinemaSins though so I don’t take it as seriously.
This is the first game where your choices actually does matter.
Actually I would say Heavy Rain was the first real mainstream game with different actions that matter. It's just that the over saturation of Telltale games now days have made everyone assume all choices in games before now were totally meaningless
+Ragsy x Yes,i played heavy rain but i think the choices you make at the end are the only ones that counts.
+Sajjad Ali Shah Nah, I would say choices pretty much all through the game have a good impact one way or another. There isn't really a false choice that I can remember
+McFlufferTits I heard about beyond two souls but never played it,is it any good?
psycho Warlord the story is shitty and the gameplay is shiyyy
Jessica fell down multiple stories of an elevator shaft with twisted metal following her down. I don't think Mike was wrong for thinking her dead 😄
4:06 dude r u srsly not thinking about what’s revealed later in the game? Hannah and Beth were never found because Hannah survived and buried Beth, but she later dug up the grave, ate Beth and turned into a wendigo, leaving Beth’s head behind. So if you need an answer to that question, there you go
Tom Wiggo That still doesn't answer the question. Beth and Hannah were never in an isolated area that they couldn't be found. And the house itself connects to the mines and the sanatorium meaning people should have had knowledge about those places and looked in there. Even if the rescue team couldn't find them, flamethrower guy would have. Now if Hannah and Beth were in an unexplored part of the mine where only a wendigo can climb in and out, that would make more sense.
I have no idea if this has been addressed, and I know this video was made years ago, and this doesn’t even matter much, but some sins are just from not paying attention like with Mike’s gun. That is a loaded gun that Mike obtained in the sanatorium. The guns don’t even look the same. The door Chris struggles with is a different door tho that scene is still ridiculous lol. The flamethrower guy drops his bag as he walks into the lodge. The next scene after Chris comes back we see the group in the basement. It’s likely they took it down with them.