Ship Comparison: Largest, But Never Finished
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This time, our focus is on the four largest battleships that were laid down but never commissioned in real life.
However, in World of Warships, theyâve been designed and brought into virtual existence based on real historical blueprints, with the documented technical specifications of each ship preserved.
So, is there a reason for no H series or A-150?
Montana was not Designed to counter Yamato. It was designed to resist its own 16/50 cal gun in which the Iowa's compromised for more speed. And most of all is not bound by the treaty. Its just that the Montana is the closest contemporary to Yamato in terms of Tonnage, armor and Guns ( in Montana's case having 1 more Turret).
The Iowa's didn't purposely compromise armor for speed, it's just the armor was designed for the standard 16" AP Mark 5 shells, and the armor scheme was not upgraded to protect against the 16" AP Mark 8 SHS.
yep, for this purpose was designed Ohio with higher caliber on Montana chassis, but never made it on water, because US NAVY decided to focus on CVs only for war in pacific ocean where planes demonstrated their advantage
@@Terradyn86 Ohio isn't a real design it's a "what if" design, re-gunning one of the Montanas with twin 18" guns turrets. Ohio was going to be the 2nd Montana. There were never any plans to re-gun the Montanas. There were "slow" BB designs that had 18" guns but they all used 3-gun turrets.
Ryan Szimanski from the Battleship New Jersey museum and memorial said that the monatans came about at a time where Yamatos dimentions were underestimated strongly by the western powers, meaning they thought they were designing a response to a Battleship between 40 and 50 Thousand tons armed with 16 inch guns, simmilar to the Iowas. They didnt know Yamato was armed with and armored against 18 inch guns.
@@John_McCarthy1 what I know Ohio was planned as an answer on Yamato and Musashi and other ships, because more nations start playing with idea putting bigger guns on battleships. I know Ohio was Montana with 18 inch guns and some modifications. I didn't said it was planned to regun montana class BBs...
Sovetsky Soyuz - "one of the most powerful ships in the world" - you're not in Russia anymore, you can stop pretending
sorry , but it's true
If given the right refits, the Sovetsky Soyuz is basically the Soviet counterpart to the Iowa, which is already powerful itself.
@@nikolaevichmyduck5125 Nah, it ain't, if it would be the most powerful ship, why is it constanly getting dunked on?
Yeah its the yamato. And that ship acctually got build
Most of the dev team still is. They can't risk accidently falling down buildings.
Itâd be awesome to see warships that never left the drawing board such as the Tillman/Maximum class, Alsace, Japanese B-65 Battlecruiser, The Original South Dakota class, Ersatz Yorck, N3 Battleship, G3 Battlecruiser, A-150 Super Yamato, Hiragaâs Battleship, and the massive Zipang class if youâre exceptionally daring.
Some of them are already in the game lol
Most of those are in game. Except maybe the Tillman, but that's just Vermont I think, or atleast its loosely based off of the Tillmans
@@anubhavdassarma7230 Even the massive Zipang?
Yoshino/Azuma, regarding the B65 project: Are we a joke to you?
@@doodledangernoodle2517 who knows, we could get it đ€Ł
WWII - the final period where military innovations could be viewed as pieces of art.
Agreed, we went from the absolute marvelous Alaskas and Des Moines in terms of cruisers, to whatever the hell the Long Beach was đ
Pattons, Sverdlovsk Cruisers, Mig-21, M113 APC, F-4 Phantom, USS Midway, T-54/55s, T-62, USS Long Beach and etc are also pieces of art during the cold war period
Schrodinger's Sovetsky Soyuz: Naval Legend as well as never commissioned
The real sovetsky soyuz was the friends we made along the way
I highly doubt the Sovetsky Soyuz would actually have turrets that turn that fast.
turns out I'm right, NavWeaps lists the rate of train for the MK-1 16" gun turrets at 4.55 degrees per second, so the turrets should take 39.5 seconds to turn 180 degrees
nice, if you put them all back to back you can have 1 groser kurfurst
Alsace đź?
Interesting note of those in the 80's watching GI Joe and Transformers, but one of the episode in GI Joe 80's cartoon featured the USS Montana.
Always cool how Friedrich der Grosse (H-39) was actually under construction during the war... Who knows if she and her 5 potential sister-ships were to ever be completed, maybe Germany's megalomaniac leader would still opt to build H-41 after? Though of course, it seem less and less plausible the higher up in that scale we go. After all, H-44 was probably the least worked on design, though we DO have kinda an equivalent in the game in the form of Hannover, which is also fun. ^^
Hannover is H-43
@@anubhavdassarma7230 You sure? The ship's bloody 350 m. long, which is actually even larger than the H-44 at 345 m. Just because it doesn't use the same 500+ mm main battery, doesn't mean it's not a H-44.
@@TheTrytix the ship is basically a mesh of all H variants. So H-43 guns on an enlarged version
@@anubhavdassarma7230 That would make sense, yes. Hadn't though about that.
0:16 yeah right.... đđđđđ
Jeez, thanks for the laugh
The USS Montana is my favorite of the four battleships in this video! đđ„°
Would love to see more videos like this for the âwhat if shipsâ in game.
Battleships are so gorgeous ships.
I don't care if they're expensive or easy to farm for the other classes, they always were and ever gonna be my first love and the reason why I keep playing this game.
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Next ship comparison please do :
- RĂ©publique, Minnesota, Duncan, Lepanto
Those are cool suggestions!
republique is WG imagination which based on gascogne, better do alsace since its supposed to be successor of richelieu-class
@@eiresby2344 Aren't _all 4_ of these WG designs?
@@octaviusmorlock for the 3D design for the game, yes WG design it, well its not accurate 100% because add this or remove that BUT its based on the blueprint.
Montana itself already have mock up or model released by the government, Soyuz already laid down as i remember its around 25%, H-39 which FdG also began consturction even 406mm already built for her, Lion really influenced by KGV class which the blueprints looks similar to KGV also they began the construction in 1938 but suspended.
After all, idk how they get accurate blueprints with real model in game but i believe in game not 100% what will be in real life when if they going to battle.
WG really imagination design for example like Republique, GK/Preussen and Roon
@@eiresby2344 I meant RĂ©publique, Minnesota, Duncan, and Lepanto.
I like that Lion thingy. She packs a formidable punch with solid armour and a shorter silhouette. Well done Brits!
King of the jungle and the seas!
@@WorldofWarshipsOfficialChannel Now I'm thinking of those battleships from Supreme Commander which would just grow legs when the enmy tried to move further in-land.
And now I have an idea for a game that might be interesting.
Where is Alsace ??
Good question and dont forget gascogne too.
But also dont forget those ships were NEVER LAID DOWN=EXISTED.
Ships in video were all completed to some %
@@mertc8050 Montana was designed but never laid down. Constantly delayed since 1940 until finally cancelled in 1943. The US Navy just couldn't make up their minds what to design for the ship.
@@legiran9564 thecnically true but they gathered some materials for construction and it was almost built unlike french
@@mertc8050 Wow resorting to moving the goalpost to own in the comments. Pathetic. đ€Ł
looking at the guns, i do wonder when the first battleships arrive ingame that can fire their main guns not just per turrett, but per single gun, like the battleships in real life. also adding the effect of the gun barrels moving each on their own slightly up and down after they fired, like we can see on the iowas when they fired their guns
Why? There is no practical reason why u should only shoot a single barrel in wows.
@@seppeldeppl for the sake of realism and as something new that isnt something like a new gimick. also you can do something that ships with only very fast reload and enough guns can do
@@kaisertrinityt.m.i.s1607 wows abandoned realism after building a super navy only existing on paper
@@seppeldeppl so therefore its forbiden for them to put any kind of realism in their game as they could or already did, just because they added ships that only existed on paper?
(but if they would have been build it would be ok?)
@@kaisertrinityt.m.i.s1607 u donât get the point. Itâs not the never built part, itâs the way how they got into the game as plain op ships
this is actually entertaining to watch
OH THOSE GRAPHICS
I think Iowa holds the unique title of the only actual-existing Tier IX battleship in WoWs.
Musashi
@@WorldofWarshipsOfficialChannel oh yeahâŠ
I guess I meant tech tree ships.
Next video about never built ships: the whole russian navy in wows
I just got the Montana, holy hell is she a big boat. Incredible it goes over 30knts and has a hell of a broadside
Add the IJN Project A-150 as well :D
Shiki and Satsu together in a third comparison, with GK and Thunderer
@@michaelvelez6699Thunderer was just the name for the fourth never built Lion class, the version in WoWs is complete fanatsy.
@@kaltenstein7718 oh... Now i see... So what about... Hannover?
"Never Finished" shipline? That'd be the entire Dutch cruiser line
funny, as the dutch did have a very extensive submarine line
I'd love to see the K XVIII, O21 and Dolfijn to be added as tier 6/8/10 ships.
You are so right, I've always wondered what the 9 battle ships would have been like. If I'm not mistaken, designs were made but never built. Just like the higher tier cruisers. I think if we would dive deeper into designs, there are more ships than were built, For every nation.
@@Scar_tisseu-86 Yeah precisely! I always wonder what Polish-designed light cruisers, heavy cruisers, and battleships would look like. There could be designs in the Polish archives that remain buried under all those documents. Spain and the Netherlands too!
@rayvaul3539 I'm in gdansk for work now, close to the bliskwika. When I get the time I definitely going to give her a visit. And yes hope legends will add more nations to the pan tech trees and commen wealth
Iâm pretty sure the Montana shared a design with the South Dakota class and not the iowa
The raid on Taranto and Pearl Harbor heralded the aircraft-carrier as the new queen of the sea.
Lion is a escalator clause battleship like Iowa and Bismarck was initially......Friederick Der Gross and Montana are post treaty........Sovetsy Soyuz was outside the treaty system entirely.
The biggest paper design was Italian, it was bigger than even Russia's biggest pipe-dream. It had 20-23 inch guns and was abandoned because metallurgy hadn't got to a level that would make such a large vessel.
there was a US design with 20" guns, the 1934 "Maximum battleship" (it was unrelated to the Tillman battleships)
What was the ship supposed to be called?
@@user-tj1si1nb5e me or him? if you're asking me, just look up "1934 maximum battleship" on google, there was a drawing of it made in Norman Friedman's U.S. Battleships an illustrated design history, and there's screenshots of it online.
H-44 entered the chat. In terms of sheer gun power. Try Fujimoto's Mega Rodney design with 12 X 20.1 inch guns in 3 quad turrets.
H44 was a Dwarf compared to what the Italians had in mind. It was a kids fantasy. Wargamming would of been proud.
Would love to see the largest carriers.
We did a video on that topic a few years back!
czcams.com/video/j1XEeqU0M3Q/video.html
What about the A-150, a Yamato with six 510mm guns, or the H series of German battleships, with the largest, H-44 at 345 meters in length, having eight 508mm guns?
You forgot Alsace and A-150.
Yeah. And hell A-150 was further along than all but lion in this regard as I am 90% sure she had a hull being laid down or at least a place for it near the start of the war. Though it was cancelled regardless after Midway just like Shinano. Edit: Nvm the design was pretty much done by 41 and wasn't laid down however one could argue that seeing as it is a Yamato hull with a different weapon layout it was as there were 5 Yamato class hulls planned. Yamato and Musashi which finished as battleships and Shinano who ended up a carrier. The fourth was laid down on 7th November 1940 but was cancelled at 30% completion in march 42 Hull name Warship Number 111. But because of this it could be argued that the A-150 could have been built seeing as the hull for it existed.
A-150 Super Yamato ??
I wonder how a modernized Tillman would compare
Those designs are so loudricous... Dont give them any ideas for quad 18 inch turrets, that would constitute a T12 ship.
@@kaltenstein7718 Tillman design 4 packs 15 x 18 inch guns in 5 triple turrets. You know that will be a super ship If turret number 4 can traverse 360 degrees this ship will be a deadly charging kiter. Also captain Fujimoto penned down a battleship design with 12 X 20.1 inch guns.
@@kaltenstein7718 as a meme ship
I started to giggle a bit thinking how many takes this video has for FDG's damage section of the video since none of the shells hit the target. But hey just a fun thought. If you played one you what I mean. :D :D :D
70% of time it took to make the full video
Imagine what the US wouldve come up with had they known what the Yamato's really were. đ€
This was oddly relaxing
This was an amazing editing! Love this video!
Glad you liked it!!
How about next time , defense shall be measured aswell, and if next version still never build/planned ship, Yamato- a top tier actual build ship should be the gun used for the defence test. and target will be also Yamato,
Does the in game Lion have 16.5 inch guns?
Historical Blueprints - whereâs MTs 57mm deck
Nice clip, thanks :)
You're welcome!
Could have added gascogne in there I think
Sovetsky Soyuz would still be a Soviet ship, so it'd be inherently flawed from launch, probably with a lot of corners cut during construction, questionable crew competence and would not be maintained after launch and would've needed a permanent tugboat convoy. Kind of like the Kuznetsov.
Great , i love the game . War thunder will never come close to this cinematography and graphics. đđ
the music here is so beautiful, can anyone link me where I can find it?
How about h class battleship (Grosser kurfurst included)
Yamato: Despite you all being the largest. You guys doesnât even born.
Monty: Well atleast I have a physical Hull god dammit.
419mm on Lion and 420mm on F.d. Grosse??.. that's certainly a typo there or an intentional element(?) :V
What exactly is the typo?
@@WorldofWarshipsOfficialChannel Oh I didn't expect I would get a reply from the official itself... :v
aight.. from my understanding witches in your game ship name itself, Lion and F.d. Grosse use 406mm guns.. not 419mm and 420mm, in your first part of the main gun review...
The guns used are the last researchable guns, which for Lion are 419mm and for Friedrich Der Grosse are 420mm.
wait, no more fuso as target practice?
She's on holiday during the Golden Week.
@@WorldofWarshipsOfficialChannel That's nice. :)
Where is the design A150 class super Yamato class?
This is great.
We appreciate it!
:)
Historical accuracy đđđđđđđ
Bro where are the ships in H project
You could add U.S.S. Kentucky into the game with few modifications, methinks.
Very nicely produced video â€
Sad no one uses battleships anymore
"But MY imaginary what if battleship that isnt possible due to physics , economy and power is BETTER than XY!"
very nice
Alsace could have been preferred instead of Montana in the video. Montana is t10. Others t9
These four represent the Final Battleship designs by each nations that could have been built/entered service. Lion, Sovetsky, and FDG both have their keels laid down and Montana had already been approved by FDR to be built had not the Pacific theater changed to carrier meta.
Dude cant u get it? These ships here were real they were laid down and completed to some%. French didnt even complete jean bart before raising white flag therefore alsace and gascogne both are paperships and not real, the ships in the video are real.
Gascogne was laid down but only minimal work was done on her and like the Montanaâs the Alsaceâs where ordered and again like the Montyâs the design was constantly getting modified, the reason the Alsaceâs werenât laid down was because along with the navel plan to build them was the expansion of more dry docks to better accommodate them and the docks that could build them already were already in the process of building the Richelieuâs and Joffre class aircraft carriers, all these projects were basically ended when the French government gave up.
World of Warships is a much better game with paper ship designs!
Montana was not even started. The rest of ships were at least started.
Montana was about to be complete but converted into an aircraft carrier
@@eddharriselmedulan6187 not true
@@Darthspike88 actually in the video uss montana the last of the battlewagons the proportions is the most modified for the midway class aircraft carrier so the more you know
I like Montana.
Nice Video
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Remember, these ships were either under construction and were cancelled, or in the case of Montana, materials gathered but never laid down. And Montana's the only US BB that fit the description.
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Damn slow it down! Can't nobody read that fast!
pause the video, ez solution
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