The Supreme Court Takes Up Homelessness
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- čas přidán 18. 04. 2024
- Debates over homeless encampments in the United States have intensified as their number has surged. To tackle the problem, some cities have enforced bans on public camping.
As the Supreme Court prepares to hear arguments about whether such actions are legal, Abbie VanSickle, who covers the court for The Times, discusses the case and its far-reaching implications.
Guest: Abbie VanSickle (www.nytimes.com/by/abbie-vans...) , a Supreme Court correspondent for The New York Times.
Background reading:
• A ruling in the case could help determine how states, particularly those in the West, grapple with a rising homelessness crisis (www.nytimes.com/2024/01/12/us...) .
• In a rare alliance, Democrats and Republicans are seeking legal power to clear homeless camps (www.nytimes.com/2023/09/27/us...) .
For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily (nytimes.com/thedaily?smid=pc-t...) . Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday.
Millions spent to run this up to the court. Could just build housing but then how would we punish people for being mentally ill or addicted.
All sticks. No carrots.
People are generally not homeless because they are mentally ill or addicted, but rather they become mentally ill and/or addicted because they are homeless. Not trying to correct you specifically. Just addressing the common misnomer about homelessness. Prices for homes and rentals just keep going up and wages are not keeping up. Not enough new housing projects are picked up to keep up with demand either. It's all a cyclical mess and the attention, is as usual, placed in the wrong things. Thank you for your comment!!!
There are a lot of zoning regulations that prevent housing from being built. Guess who supports those zoning regulations.
Judge Thomas says," Have they no RV?"
@@whazzat8015Ahh yes, Billionaires with justices as chia pets…
I don't know what it's like in other states but here in Washington, our homeless problem has roots in the 2008 finacial collapse. After many people were evicted from their homes and the loss of jobs in the area, people got stuck. And instead of the State helping people they build hostile structures to prevent Homeless people from sleeping under over passes and public benches. Nearly a billion spent on such projects in a single year. Many of those empty homes got snatched up by Realestate speculators and still set empty. 1 in 8 homes in Washington state are estimated to be empty and owned by banks or speculators who have stated that even renting such properties could hurt their bottom line. And the last 'Affordable Housing' bill spent even more to build town house condos and appartment buildings that were then released to conglomerates to sell and further speculate on. It's a mess that most likely will get much worse before it even gets major notice by the public at large. Realestate speculation and near Monopilized Rental firms just keep causing cost of housing to increase. I say near Monopilized because there are only really 3 major Rental Firms in Washington and that's last I checked. Could have been another merger since then. I know my rent the last 2 years has outpaced my wage increases. I don't think I'm doing too bad but if it keeps up the way it is... .. I'll likely be living out of a camper just to make ends meet. Pretty sure many others are in that boat already due to unchecked capitalism and speculation.
When the richest nation in the world, that prints money into existence on a near-daily basis to feed its military-industrial complex and "bail out" multinational corporations so they can pour billions in free government money into stock buybacks, has a known housing crisis yet makes it this hard for the unhoused, the logical conclusion is that this is all perfectly deliberate. You can't tell me that our politicians, bought and paid for by lobbyists and corporate interests, don't know that 65% of Americans can't handle a $400 emergency and is two months away from homelessness. So why haven't citizens risen up yet and overthrown this system? That's the real question. One truly has to question the moral center of a society that allows this to continue. Worse, the people that are so contemptible as to make the catastrophe of being unhoused all about their own personal inconvenience.
Another question, why do the majority of these NYT podcasts sound like a jr high school book report read to the class?
To say the guests have a rudimentary understanding of the subject would be an understatement.
Because they love to interview reporters instead of subject matter experts. As someone with an MD and a masters of public health I hear them say off base things all the time about healthcare and I wonder if they do that for topics I’m not an expert on 😂
Well yeah …. instead using their words in print … their tool is instead is their voice for podcasting …. Not sure your point … they have sources, just like for print …. I do agree journalists today should be better about emphasizing their sources, but they’ll still have to use print or their voices to convey the info.
@@marceybull because these reporters are not subject matter experts and in the informal setting of a podcast, they are more likely to give their opinion rather than cite facts or quote sources. In some cases, reporters with a lot of experience such as Adam Liptak are you able to give their opinion with credibility, but not here. He would have been a better reporter for this topic since he’s their Supreme Court reporter and has a good sense of how judges on the bench will rule.
@@marceybull My point was that transferring information by the spoken word is alot faster/easier than the printed word.
I would like to see hear more statistical information spoken and less generalizations.
There is ample opportunity on all long form podcast
@@padhatam I love Adam Liptak! True about his experience and context : ) ... I keep meaning to see if he's written a book that would be interesting to me ...
De Santis just passed a Law no homeless sleeping in public places Passed it last week look it up!
I may be missing the point here, but if the intention is to show that these laws are possible, then yes, they are possible, but only for a subsect of the nation. The 9th circuit doesn't have authority in Florida, so that ruling only really affects the West Coast and some territories. However, if SCOTUS sides with the 9th circuit, that law by De Santis would no longer be functional as it would be ruled unconstitutional nationwide
Florida is an enclave of 'customer service' companies... the first 'industry segment' or the most likely to eliminate 90%+ of human labor, fully automating the work...
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Good looking out
“Shadow ban” 🙄
Extremely high rents and homelessness?
Only a part, oly a part
Fix that and there is still 75% of the problem.
? subsidize the family members that house them? Oy
If the disability is drug addiction , should the ADA require that drugs are provided?
Why do you care? What's your interest in this question? How about you worry about your problems?
It's obvious that society is either unwilling, or unable to solve this problem. For evidence of this, consider that homelessness began to be a big problem in the 1980s (Phil Collins even wrote a number one hit song about it). If society could fix the problem, it would have been fixed by now. Instead what we see is that the problem is WORSE now.
They can … so the question isn’t “could” they … but “would” they. It’s willful … not because it can’t be down.
It seems people are more likely to support 'work akin to slavery' more so than true help to those in need, particularly those in need due to job loss!
Businesses are planning on introducing A.I. to save costs which means laying off people in an economy with high rents and a current homeless problem. Fix it now or it continues to get worse.
this is an excellent podcast. the discussion was balanced and fair on a difficult and complicated topic
Well, when rent's too high to afford on a minimum wage salary, where do you go?
Family and friends
This could’ve been covered in 1/2 the time. Also suggest taking some vocal training to get rid of the annoying vocal fry.
Always tickles me reading authoritative comments crying about a presenter's accent
@@kahlilbt The vocal fry is annoying, (I know it's my subjective perception). The only thing that kept me listening was the importance of the topic.
@@michaelbusillo6956 congratulations?
The people with homes caused the problem, and the housing system (the real estate-banking-insurance financial complex) is what should be on trial. Homeless people are victims, and they could just as easily ban entitled wealthy people, or vote away their property.
Oh the sin of being poor. 😭😩
A lot of empty buildings across america after covid.
Go sleep outside city limits, no camping in public spaces. Go to the mountains or desert or back east where they always come from.
NYT this government sucks!
Please excuse me if I offend. It took decades of investments for citizens to civilly organize and present an idea, ANY idea on the topic, about homelessness in America to our SUPREME COURT, because it (our supreme court) almost never considers the topic. Countless ideas were considered by HUNDREDS-OF-MILLIONS of Americans. For examples, why do so many homeless people in Oregon near the coastline end-up missing? Why is our national lifespan average for homeless people age 50 years while the housed community lives as long as apprx. 80 years? Why do so many homeless people report abuse and neglect? Are drug rehabs effective? Are government benefits accessible enough? Are we providing enough medical assistance? Are social service organizations helpful enough? Does victim advocacy work? Is education affordable enough? Does citizenship demand additional resources from migrants? ... And many more ... What was at the top of the list, though? ... 🤔 ... "Are blankets (a textile product) real estate?" ... Apparently, our current supreme court judges don't know if blankets are real estate, anymore, huh? 🤨 I've had ENOUGH of weak homeless advocacy and greed disguised as charity! The truth is that a supposed "homeless advocate" attempted to sell our supreme court judges free charitable blankets in order to steal the limelight about so many important issues concerning such a topic.
Sincerely, &^$Y%&^%!!!!! 😡
hey supreme court jesus was homeless plenty and many before him and since jesus , if u do not have decent job training and decent life basics in schools we pay taxes for and decent min wage that gos up with the cost of living and that training free one night a week in churches and high schools then u will have too much homelessness , most shelters are not a home they are semi mini jails
Vocal fry warning!!!! Extreme Creaky voice- Beware!
Ewwwwwww accents I don't like! /s
Grow up
@@kahlilbt People tend to tell you that you have an annoying accent or something?
@@jimslickens2325 no, I just care about language at more than a pseudointellectual level
@@kahlilbt Actually, you clearly do care about it only to a pseudointellectual level, given that you've decided to use your interest in languages to complain about people in a youtube comments section.
No actual linguist thinks there needs to be a crusade against prescriptivism waged over insignificant social media posts.
@@jimslickens2325 "no actual linguist thinks..." 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 me and my linguistics degreeS find that hilarious.
If the SC supports the homeless - then the city will have to convert all its parks into private property rather than public land - then there is no 8th amendment right as private property would trump
It.
It would effectively mean the end of public spaces.
🙄
Can stay in Thomas' RV when he isn't using it
The root cause of homelessness is economic policy. Only our politocians have the power to solve the problem. What is missing is a lack of respect for human life on the part of our politicians.
What about studies of homeless that show a huge majority of homeless individuals having very high levels (80%+) of chronic mental illness and self treatment with narcotics?
I would agree with your point regarding politicians. Mental health treatment is completely underfunded in America. And since the breakdown of the traditional family unit, the government needs to play a much larger role.
@@bernardzsikla5640we had housing for these types of individuals. They were called asylums but the government shut most of them down and pulled the funds. The modern homeless crisis now is partially the result of that.
@@aarondanigelis5396 I am very well aware of that sad part of our history and I understand how that situation has affected the current situation. My only response would be, since human societies have decided to outsource what once was a family's and local communities responsibilities, it is now up to the city/state and federal government to manage this issue. Just because it was managed poorly in the the past does not absolved their responsibility in the current crisis.
The government is partially the creator and also the solution to the homeless problem in America.
Like it or not, there are too many moving parts in this problem to be managed by families and local communities. We don't live in that America any longer.
@@bernardzsikla5640poverty makes you crazy, try it and you’ll see.
Nm, , w
It's a drug problem and mental illness.
You got to make it tough for them.
Comfort breeds inaction to better yourself.