Wavestate SE & MK2 Review // 20 ideas for making the most of this interesting generative synth

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  • čas přidán 12. 05. 2024
  • Wavestate from Korg has become one of the most interesting generative synths you can buy. In this video I take a look at what's new in wavestate SE and MK2, and then 20 patch ideas for making the most of this original and innovative synth.
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    TIMELINE:
    0:00 Intro
    2:00 Overview
    2:25 Voices
    4:10 MK2 vs MK1
    4:40 SE vs MK1 and MK2
    5:00 Aftertouch
    5:30 Other misc new features
    6:15 Native vs Editor
    10:55 PATCH IDEAS
    11:10 Use multiple lane lengths
    12:10 Polymetric probabilities
    14:20 Lane presets
    16:20 Mod presets
    16:50 Modulating loop end
    18:30 Loop as fills
    19:05 Start vs loop
    19:30 Step mods
    20:20 Finding mods
    21:05 Mult mods
    21:50 Levels mods
    22:00 Note advance
    23:00 Note advance on chords
    23:30 Scale quantize
    24:20 Shapes as per step envelopes
    24:40 Shapes as ratchets
    24:55 Modulating the phase of shapes
    25:40 Shape chaos
    26:10 Mod processors
    27:10 Hidden mods
    27:35 Pros & cons
    30:55 Outro
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Komentáře • 455

  • @drindy5166
    @drindy5166 Před 10 měsíci +160

    I know this isn't a major thing, however the tiny micro screen for menu diving is really sad. Of all the space on the hardware, Korg really could have improved the screen size so users aren't burning their eyesockets out trying to acheive menu options. I have the wavestate II

    • @timdanyo898
      @timdanyo898 Před 10 měsíci +8

      That’s where the software comes in..

    • @danpreston564
      @danpreston564 Před 10 měsíci +21

      Especially as my M3 has a huge touchscreen from about 15 years ago. It’s not like Korg don’t have the technology.

    • @issiewizzie
      @issiewizzie Před 10 měsíci +2

      Oh well native is more fun for me

    • @SyntheticFuture
      @SyntheticFuture Před 10 měsíci +23

      ​@@timdanyo898but then you need to have your pc running just to mess with your synth. Considering how much empty space er is on the synth I feel a bigger screen is a no brainer =x

    • @dankeplace
      @dankeplace Před 10 měsíci +11

      @@timdanyo898 it's a hardware synth, not software synth, it was designed to be use as stand alone, it's nothing more than an inadequate VST controller, a bad one at that.

  • @robertsyrett1992
    @robertsyrett1992 Před 10 měsíci +23

    Forums: "I wish korg would release a module version"
    Korg: "Ok, one extended keyboard coming right up!"

    • @macks2025
      @macks2025 Před 10 měsíci +5

      ...in two colours.

    • @chokocat9064
      @chokocat9064 Před 10 měsíci +6

      They did announce the extended keyboard version quite a long time ago, and back then the forums complained about having only three octaves. Seems like the Forums can't be pleased no matter what you do.

    • @Curious_Skeptic
      @Curious_Skeptic Před 10 měsíci +3

      True, but Korg could have made the desktop mod versions too! They had almost zero investment to do this. Drop price by maybe 100.00 and make more profit? Blows my mind how corporations function! Instead, no after touch 2k controll? Good luck on that venture. 😂

  • @LifeInTheLastFane
    @LifeInTheLastFane Před 10 měsíci +28

    I appreciate how, at the 14 minute mark, you scored Bjork's entire next album with a slight adjustment to a factory preset. ❤ Wonderful insights throughout as always.

  • @deanandthebeans857
    @deanandthebeans857 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Hats off to you for taking the time and effort to research this very complex synth and present it so beautifully. Thanks!

  • @sokoleski
    @sokoleski Před 8 měsíci

    What an excellent walk thru... Makes me appreciate my MK1 even more... thanks for making this💚

  • @ErgoBoom
    @ErgoBoom Před 10 měsíci +8

    The original Wavestate has been the synth I've reached for the most often ever since I got it... So enjoyable to level up musical ideas with this instrument

  • @powermix24
    @powermix24 Před 10 měsíci +17

    Nice review as always Loopop! I think Korg missed the boat here on the MK2, if you have MK1 it's more than enough. But hey, you got options now.

  • @sonarfreq
    @sonarfreq Před 10 měsíci

    Excellent as always, thank you so much for these videos.

  • @BassFunMusic
    @BassFunMusic Před 10 měsíci +1

    Epic tunes, as always! Keep rocking! 🎸🔥♥

  • @SynthoidSounds
    @SynthoidSounds Před 7 měsíci +3

    I just got my Wavestate about a month ago. Endless hours have since disappeared into the predawn hours as I experiment with mutated esoteric presets and creating compositions. For the price vs. range of interesting and relevant features, there's nothing else like it, at least that I know of. As always, appreciate your well articulated and detailed tutorials.

  • @thomasinlondon2849
    @thomasinlondon2849 Před 10 měsíci +2

    There are amazing bargains to be had on the mark 1 brand new. Got mine a couple of years ago and it’s a brilliant addition to any setup.

  • @MrFunktone
    @MrFunktone Před 10 měsíci +3

    It's like nothing else I've ever heard the scope for sound creation is limitless. Great demo and examples, thanks 👍

    • @Jason75913
      @Jason75913 Před 9 měsíci

      Just like modular synth folks may spend far more time patching a sound than they spend actually using it, lol, you may spend far more time programming a sound or performance than you actually end up using it. But if you don't already have an excellent pro romper like the Krome EX or M50, then you'll get even more use out of this baby for its great bread and butter sounds.

  • @mad_bad_cat
    @mad_bad_cat Před 10 měsíci +1

    Loopop video! Korg! What a great half an hour to end my Monday on a great note! 😏

  • @dougjamesberwick2625
    @dougjamesberwick2625 Před 10 měsíci +12

    Great review as always. I do think Korg missed an opportunity here to really make this an enhanced version... I own the mk1 and love it - no need for me to upgrade though

  • @nexuzeb79
    @nexuzeb79 Před 10 měsíci

    What an intro! Like, WOW! Did you make that patch, Sir? Jawdroppingly awesome... Thanx for yet another brilliant review, Sir.

    • @nexuzeb79
      @nexuzeb79 Před 10 měsíci

      Was probably two patches..

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před 10 měsíci +2

      Thanks! It's actually 4 patches - 1 mine, 3 factory - they're really good...

  • @GirlfightClub
    @GirlfightClub Před 10 měsíci +46

    Still wish they made a module version

    • @thablackkat9905
      @thablackkat9905 Před 10 měsíci +6

      Word!

    • @dankeplace
      @dankeplace Před 10 měsíci +4

      You can make your own module version, people have been cutting off the keybed.

    • @straighttalk2069
      @straighttalk2069 Před 10 měsíci +1

      You can also buy module kits, that are reversible but not that cheap.

    • @emlyfox
      @emlyfox Před 10 měsíci +5

      I cut my keybed off, it was actually pretty simple.

    • @GirlfightClub
      @GirlfightClub Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@emlyfox I need a CZcams video how lol i don’t want to pay for the “kit”

  • @kptamc
    @kptamc Před 10 měsíci

    Thank you very much for the video review!

  • @whoadog8725
    @whoadog8725 Před 10 měsíci +5

    I love the sound of this synth. I hope the VST goes on sale sometime soon.

    • @sub-jec-tiv
      @sub-jec-tiv Před 10 měsíci

      It’s not horribly expensive even at full price. Not like some of the premium softsynths with a sample library this deep, which cost 500-600.

  • @SouthShoreSonics
    @SouthShoreSonics Před 10 měsíci +8

    At 9:39
    From the manual: Hold ENTER and press < or > to scroll through the different routings.
    Alternatively, you can cursor through each parameter, one by one; cursoring right from Int Mod Src goes to the Source
    parameter of the next routing.
    A scroll-bar on the right side of the display shows the current location in the list.
    No need to scroll all of them one at a time!

  • @LEDBOO
    @LEDBOO Před 10 měsíci +2

    Aww maaaaan. Now I have to get this one too. You can now load your own samples….sweeeet. Love my Wavestate. Thank you for the review.

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před 10 měsíci +8

      You can load your own samples into the original wavestate too

    • @jjrusy7438
      @jjrusy7438 Před 10 měsíci +3

      Upgrade the software version if it is an early model. (easiest with a Mac. Sheer f'ing hell on a pc)

    • @LEDBOO
      @LEDBOO Před 10 měsíci

      @@loopop 🙏🏾 thank you

  • @zweizy504
    @zweizy504 Před 10 měsíci +23

    Very cool. Wish there was a keyless desktop version

    • @bassguitar2709
      @bassguitar2709 Před 10 měsíci +5

      a third party mod company makes a case to house the mk1 chassis after removing the keys

    • @tehedx
      @tehedx Před 10 měsíci +3

      @@bassguitar2709 Tall Dog Electronics, yes

    • @Curious_Skeptic
      @Curious_Skeptic Před 10 měsíci

      Just by a cheap laptop and vst. Still way ahead of the game! Any modern cpu can run this just fine! I am building dedicated mini desktops that will each host a single vst, dedicated midi controller, and small portable monitor. I get super advanced synths that act like hardware, but with unlimted flexibility. No brainer. If u play live, this setup still works great. If one goes down, they all don't go down unlike daw setups. 😊

  • @lrblouie
    @lrblouie Před 10 měsíci

    Amazing video as always!!!

  • @drstupid1
    @drstupid1 Před 10 měsíci +8

    Any reason for that joystick placement other than to inspire an onslaught of hilarious memes? 😂

  • @InFamousProductions
    @InFamousProductions Před 10 měsíci

    Wow I was thinking yesterday that the should make a mk2 and woke up to this. I have the original and love it, my fav synth of all time, and I have owned a lot

  • @jeedmodorn5494
    @jeedmodorn5494 Před 5 měsíci

    Wonderful dive into this impressive instrument. Thank you loopop. I'm a Wavestate Native user but would spring for this standalone if it had a good size screen (like the one they have on Nautilus or Kronos maybe?).

  • @OklahomaDsDad
    @OklahomaDsDad Před 10 měsíci

    thank you. excellent presentation

  • @stellanholgersson7170
    @stellanholgersson7170 Před 10 měsíci +10

    Nice with the full-width keyboard. Shame about all the non-utilised space for more knobs and larger screen, but OK, it would have required a new PCB and price increase, essentially a Wavestate 2.

    • @tehedx
      @tehedx Před 10 měsíci

      I like to stack gear _on_ the unused space of another. Like the (unused) speakers of a stage piano. Wide enough for a 37-key synth to sit on. The front two feet rest on the stage piano, for the rear two feet you need to find something to support it (e.g., a piece of wood).

  • @sonickitchen
    @sonickitchen Před 10 měsíci +4

    Brilliant, thank you and nice to see the Wavestate getting some love. It is an inspiring synth. One thing, do you know if they've improved stability issues? Using WS1 live is a joy but tempered by fear of occasional inexplicable lock-ups.

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Thanks! I've not had this lock up at all despite extensive use, except once when I was using the Editor to save a patch to the synth

    • @sonickitchen
      @sonickitchen Před 10 měsíci +1

      Thanks @@loopop. Has been reported elsewhere and acknowledged by support. Can happen when some rhythmic performances are set to hold and flipped between during a set. I guess it's a memory limit issue.

    • @sub-jec-tiv
      @sub-jec-tiv Před 10 měsíci

      Have had a Wavestate since they came out and use it pretty frequently and have never personally had a crash. 🤷‍♂️ ymmv

  • @MichaelRohaly
    @MichaelRohaly Před 10 měsíci +4

    Yes, desktop-only is missing for all three of Wavestate, Modwave, and Opsix!

  • @jonathanaguilar710
    @jonathanaguilar710 Před 10 měsíci +4

    Loved my wavestate but I sold it. I would get so into designing cool sounds and sequences but that was also the problem with it, just too time consuming so it had to go unfortunately but maybe one day when I have all the time in the world I'll get back in lol

  • @mikemorrisonmusic
    @mikemorrisonmusic Před 10 měsíci

    Ah Loopop, one of my favorite synth demo channels.

  • @starglider101
    @starglider101 Před 10 měsíci +1

    You are the best reviewer, period.

  • @iancain6647
    @iancain6647 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Looks really cool

  • @judethree4405
    @judethree4405 Před 10 měsíci

    That “I think we’re alone now” beat though!

  • @dustop3r
    @dustop3r Před 10 měsíci +1

    As always, well executed review. Thank you! Can not understand why they did not add a bigger screen ... Hm, does this imply that there will be an Opsix MKII???

    • @sonarfreq
      @sonarfreq Před 10 měsíci

      I'm not sure the Opsix was that popular sadly (although I bought one just before it was discontinued). The Modwave MKII though might be a possibility?

  • @MarcWeertsMusic
    @MarcWeertsMusic Před 10 měsíci +7

    Fantastic synth in all versions and great demo! Slightly disappointed the Mk2 still doesn't have aftertouch - with so many cool modulation options it's just nice to be able to apply modulation by pressing the key so your other hand is free for play other synths. Still, like I said: it's a fantastic synth and the SE is awesome!

    • @manny7662
      @manny7662 Před 10 měsíci

      Does the SE have the same additions that the mk2 has?

    • @fmagic2000able
      @fmagic2000able Před 8 měsíci +1

      ​@@manny7662 The SE has more voice polyphony (120 voices) whereas the Mk2 has 96 voices.

  • @chuckvicious
    @chuckvicious Před 10 měsíci

    Starting around 19:10 in the video; the shape lane on the pc interface creates an optical illusion of parallel lines going diagonal.

  • @uyscuti5376
    @uyscuti5376 Před 10 měsíci

    Yooooooo been waiting so long for the SE!;!! Happy happy

  • @JobimSynthMusic
    @JobimSynthMusic Před 10 měsíci +2

    the empty areas are for laying down your head and dozing off to the dreamy tones

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před 10 měsíci +2

      I totally missed that!

  • @Patriotic_Eagle1995
    @Patriotic_Eagle1995 Před 10 měsíci +13

    People asked for a desktop unit with less shit screen, so they stuck an even bigger keyboard to it and kept the screen tiny with cramped controls.
    Absolutely epic troll move, you love to see it 😂

    • @BlackMan614
      @BlackMan614 Před 10 měsíci +1

      BFD... it has a software editor - which is awesome in how it provides feedback on parameter changes.

    • @sub-jec-tiv
      @sub-jec-tiv Před 10 měsíci

      I’m not surprised they didn’t re-manufacture the screen. There’s still a chip and electronics shortage, and they have already manufactured a ton of that type of screen for all their recent products. People are so demanding even when their demands make no sense for a business to implement, and cry like children when their own personal demands weren’t met. And at a Behringer-cheap price point.
      I’m not saying a bigger screen wouldn’t be great, what i’m saying is get real, Korg is a business operating during a parts shortage.

  • @GirlfightClub
    @GirlfightClub Před 10 měsíci +4

    HOLY SMOKES! A full keyboard???

  • @geoffreymerrifield5666
    @geoffreymerrifield5666 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Great video as always Senior L Pop. Curious, do you have patches/libraries for Moog Subsequent 37?

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před 10 měsíci

      Thanks! Sorry no I don't

  • @christianvandalstrom8337
    @christianvandalstrom8337 Před 10 měsíci

    Finally. This is actually interesting. I'm not sure I like the sound but it brings something new to the market. Innovative.

  • @liviou2004
    @liviou2004 Před 10 měsíci +4

    Thank you loopop for this review. Now let's speak og the price :
    - Korg Wavestate MKII : *890 €* | Korg Wavestate SE MKII : *2,190 €*
    So the gap between the both : *1300 €* . 1300 € for what ? Two octaves more, 120-96 =24 voices more and aftertouch.
    Is there anyone here who think this deserves such a gap in price ? Except for the 24 voices, it's easy to get a 61 keys synth or master kb with aftertouch for a fraction of this price.
    Once more, Korg is out of range (as Korg did with the Prologue 16 wich has been a complete commercial flop, partly because of its price).
    If you look at this price range, there is a huge rivalry, and a some are very powerful.

    • @ncapone87
      @ncapone87 Před 10 měsíci

      It does come with what looks like a nice case, so that's a couple hundred there... But really I don't know. It's way too much

    • @sonic2000gr
      @sonic2000gr Před 10 měsíci +1

      Yes the price difference is very high. Even the for MKII is too high. But I think we should wait a bit and see real street prices. I guess these are more or less MRRP.

    • @captainlovett4724
      @captainlovett4724 Před 10 měsíci +1

      The extra plastic on the enclosure is really expensive. That’s why there’s no additional controls there to help users master this mindf**k of a sequencer, the extra holes to drill and additional pcbs and knobs and buttons would make it cost double 😅 Korg has lost it, they’re not making any meaningful updates to their hardware.

    • @ncapone87
      @ncapone87 Před 10 měsíci

      @@captainlovett4724 the sequencer isn't that bad to use, it takes a while to get used to it but it's really fun. I have a mk1

    • @nivac5227
      @nivac5227 Před 10 měsíci

      @@ncapone87 ...and better build quality.

  • @sonicinsights
    @sonicinsights Před 9 měsíci

    Sounds like the original Bladerunner soundtrack, i guess some similarities to the Fairlight I think was all over that. This is that soundtrack in a box. So cool.

  • @m1nnefr3d
    @m1nnefr3d Před 10 měsíci +12

    Good to hear Wave Sequencing 2.0 is alive 👍 The minor changes to MKII prove that KORG's Wavestate OG already was a mature product, especially after numerous substantial updates via firmware. SE is no option for me due to its sheer size (and price, given it still doesn't support polyphonic aftertouch). BTW: I'd loved to have seen AT on the MKII. Thanks for the execellent re- and over-view (useful for OG owbers, too!), Ziv 🙏

  • @glenc3249
    @glenc3249 Před 9 měsíci

    This is definitely at the top of my bucket list for next year. My very close friend 'ex' will have a duckfit at me if I got one this year...... after only recently getting a Deepmind 12 and a Korg PA 600 a year ago ;- ;-)

  • @kimzim2001
    @kimzim2001 Před 10 měsíci +4

    Great synth but also a missed oportunity. The SE should have a touch screen similar to the Waldorf Iridium so you can work effectively with sound programming without the need of a computer.

  • @bobrobertson9547
    @bobrobertson9547 Před 10 měsíci

    Glad to hear the keybed has been improved. Still, I hope Korg build a 19 inch rack version.

  • @ferencmolnar1651
    @ferencmolnar1651 Před 10 měsíci +2

    You need two phd to understand it :)
    It is good but somehow I felt it is not good in any setup (with other synth) so finally I sold it. Btw there were always connection problems between the editor soft and the synth.

  • @venomslair137
    @venomslair137 Před 10 měsíci +1

    The Korg guys are on fire!!!

  • @stefanoprofeta7074
    @stefanoprofeta7074 Před 7 měsíci

    Thanks for the great review! I have a simple question. Can it be used in multitimbral mode? I'd like to play a sound with an external keyboard with left hand, while play a solo on the right hand. Is this function possible?

  • @AmbientSound7
    @AmbientSound7 Před 10 měsíci

    Great presentation! Your thoughts on Wavestate SE vs. Opsix SE for Ambient music and ease of use. Thank you.

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Thanks! For ambient music, I'd lean towards Wavestate personally - both are easy to use if you're just playing the presets an endless rabbit hole of textures and complexity if you're willing to dive in

  • @suadcokljat1045
    @suadcokljat1045 Před 10 měsíci +2

    In EU it's 933EUR = 1019USD! It would be nice if Korg release desktop module version for mk2 following Minilogue XD example...

  • @federicovalmassoni3827
    @federicovalmassoni3827 Před 10 měsíci

    Beautiful dream that must come true 😊
    A question, if I have Wavestate SE hardware and I should want to use it as a unique sound generator for various midi tracks in my DAW, may I assign each sound to a specific midi channel in order to use many of them contemporaneously?
    (About sound I mean a combination of multiple layers and not a single layer)

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před 10 měsíci +1

      No, it can only run one set of up to 4 layers (performance) at a time. But in that case why not just use the plugin

    • @federicovalmassoni3827
      @federicovalmassoni3827 Před 10 měsíci

      @@loopop Ok so, you are telling me that theWavestate Native can do what I described? If yes I will use the software but...I loved the Wavestation and I didn't get it on 90's and I really want to have the new baby 🥰
      For my needs I can use the plugin if it works for this ...but with future hardware anyway 😊 I would have preferred to save money😂

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@federicovalmassoni3827 you can use as many instances of the native plug-in as you want as long as your CPU will allow

    • @federicovalmassoni3827
      @federicovalmassoni3827 Před 10 měsíci

      @@loopop Thanks for your confirmation 👍🏻🙂

  • @michael7018
    @michael7018 Před měsícem

    I love the Wavestate original version. If one wants to create sonic soundscapes never heard before this is the synth to get. Absolutely exceptional synth.

  • @meloniusthonk
    @meloniusthonk Před 10 měsíci

    excellent video as usual, loopop. ty. will the native be updated to mk2 as well? if so, eta?

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Thanks! There's nothing to update in Native to enable it to do what MK2 does - it's all the same except voice count

    • @meloniusthonk
      @meloniusthonk Před 10 měsíci

      @@loopop thx, loopop, for being so responsive to your viewers. i was kinda hoping to get the added voice count. hopefully, they’ll add that!

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@meloniusthonk oh sorry I meant to say the voice limit isn’t applicable because it depends on your computer - there’s nothing to add :)

    • @meloniusthonk
      @meloniusthonk Před 10 měsíci

      ahh, looks like i need to understand further. i’ll read up on that. ty

    • @meloniusthonk
      @meloniusthonk Před 10 měsíci

      ah, yes. i get it now. duh, me :)

  • @MurrayDagostino
    @MurrayDagostino Před 10 měsíci

    If they make an opsix in this format, I'm sold.

  • @sonic2000gr
    @sonic2000gr Před 10 měsíci +1

    I've sold my wavestate but still have the VST version. Let's wait and see where the price will settle for the SE, I'd really love one with a 5 octave keyboard. Increasing the voice count is very important, voice stealing can be very annoying at times (it will "steal" the voices from a free running rhythm causing it to stop). I am definitely tempted.

    • @dankeplace
      @dankeplace Před 10 měsíci +2

      Using a bandaid made of poo, wont improve things at all.
      Same horrible screen, horrible UI, 3 times asking $, workflow is abysmal without the software.
      This isn't even a good MIDI controller by any stretch of the imagination.

    • @Curious_Skeptic
      @Curious_Skeptic Před 10 měsíci +1

      Buy a good midi controller with aftertouch. Don't waste money on this kit! Makes zero logical sense imho. How does Korg miss aftertouch? Worse, that stupid screen! In 2023 not to include a vibrant touch screen is really sad and worth passing on. I can bang out a long list of better spent money. Take the price of mk2, subtract from se, and divide that by number of additional keys, equal just how much you paid per key. Lol. To help cut to the chase, $54. per additional key😂. Likewise, 700 x 3 at 2100.00 is about the cost of one SE wavestate. No matter how u cut it, lame. Zero justification for price vs value!

  • @jeedmodorn5494
    @jeedmodorn5494 Před 5 měsíci

    Thanks!

  • @jantuitman
    @jantuitman Před 10 měsíci +4

    I wish more synths did mod processors. They are under valued, and may be even more innovative than the concept of separate length lanes. A mod processor is basically a customizable calculation inside a modulation route. Like modulate a with b but just by adding or multiplying a with b but by using a function f that specifies how a will effect b. The EaganMatrix can do it and the Korgs (Wavestate, Modwave) can do it, although the Mod processors only have a limited set of options to pick from for what the function f will be. And for the rest I don’t know any other synths that can do it.

    • @busticator8626
      @busticator8626 Před 10 měsíci

      Kurzweil synths?

    • @autonomoushologram6072
      @autonomoushologram6072 Před 10 měsíci

      Alchemy in Logic has up to 16 Mod maps which can do all this kind of stuff.

    • @jantuitman
      @jantuitman Před 10 měsíci

      @@autonomoushologram6072 cool! I don’t know alchemy yet though I recently started with Logic. Would like to see it in hardware synths though.

    • @autonomoushologram6072
      @autonomoushologram6072 Před 10 měsíci

      @@jantuitman Guess it's always going to be trickier and costlier to implement more "niche", complex functionality like this in hardware, esp when it requires dedicated physical controls or space. Even with pure digital hardware synths its pretty difficult to implement in a user friendly, usable way, Software definitely has the big advantage here imo. Alchemy is pretty amazing, and can do a lot of stuff that's kind-of similar-ish to the Wavestate.... and a lot more the Wavestate can't do. Its modulation options are ridiculous - up to 16 each of LFO, Envelopes, MSEGs, Env Followers, Step Sequncers and a massively flexible perform section, as well as the afore mentioned Mod Maps. Def worth checking out if you are into flexible complex modulation possibilities. Other software synths that have this kind of stuff include Equator and Cypher 2 from Roli, Zebra by U-He. In the hardware world, there are also plenty of options for Eurorack / modular for function generators and other interesting / crazy modulation options, but obviously that's a whole other kettle of expensive and time-consuming fish.

  • @YanivhmTube
    @YanivhmTube Před 10 měsíci +2

    Thanks for the review! 👍
    I really like the wavestate 2 engine and the sounds it can make. Only thing I was missing to its engine was a send reverb. So we could have no reverb for drums or bass layers. It really just a code thing to implement, that can make this synth so much more flexibale.

  • @dankeplace
    @dankeplace Před 10 měsíci

    Wait what? Teased in 2021 but finally being released?
    I wonder if the newer patches with AT will be released on the OG model?

  • @alan93
    @alan93 Před 7 měsíci

    What are the labels below the bank buttons? Why didn't you talk about those? Those are new. Good review for those that are already familiar with older ones, not so much if brand new to wavestate.

  • @NavelOrangeGazer
    @NavelOrangeGazer Před 10 měsíci +2

    They really should have made a module version so I could control it with my hydrasynth deluxe... When is the Opsix MKII coming...

  • @c3d3c
    @c3d3c Před 10 měsíci +12

    Still missing the simple functionality we had in the original Wavestations where we could crossfade between the different waves within a wave sequence using a controller like the modwheel, without having to 'play back' the wave sequence. Even on the Kronos, when choosing the modwheel to control the positioning within the WaveSeq, the xFade functionality just stops working for whatever reason, enabling us to only do hard changes between the waves. I wish the Wavestate allowed us to do this too but from what I've seen (and tried) so far, it's not possible :S Only way to do such a thing with our own samples is either getting an old Wavestation and using third party cards with them or code our own software solution for it. If only they'd allow us to load custom samples in the iWavestation app on the iPad (or the WS app on the Korg Legacy version for PC/Mac) that would be perfect! :)

    • @straighttalk2069
      @straighttalk2069 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Couldn't this be done by utilising two layers and setting up a controller like the modwheel to fade in one layer, while fading out the other layer, without having to 'play back' the wave sequence?

    • @NicolaLarosa
      @NicolaLarosa Před 10 měsíci +1

      That's the main reason I got rid of mine. Wave sequences are strictly time-based here, cannot modulate the wave pointer with anything else than time. The other reason is that Korg keeps neglecting the MPE standard: it would have been a dream, with that limitless mod matrix, even more so on the modwave. Oh well.

    • @c3d3c
      @c3d3c Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@straighttalk2069 you can do this with using all 4 layers using the vector stick. The problem is when needing to do this with more than 4 sounds. On the Wavestation, being able to xFade between steps using a controlller meant you could xFade between even 255 sounds if you wanted to (though such a thing would exhaust the bank's limit of steps pretty quickly 😅). I was just hoping a Wavestate firmware update or the mk2 would give us step xFades on controllers rather than having to 'play back' the sequence but then again i suppose if they haven't even (fully) done it for the Kronos, what are the odds of doing it on the Wavestate? Wishfull thinking I suppose ^^

    • @towardstar
      @towardstar Před 10 měsíci +2

      yes to this day I find it very strange they took one of the greatest sound morphing platforms of all time and evolved it into a supercharged rhythm generatror. the core idea of the original is missing.

    • @c3d3c
      @c3d3c Před 10 měsíci +3

      @@towardstar I'd think the core idea would be WaveSequences, and on that front they indeed evolved it in quite interesting ways. Still, I don't get it why they'd take such an awesome feature out :( As I said in the previous comment, they kinda let us control the sequence with a controller (without needing to 'play' it) in Kronos but when doing so the xFades get disabled. I wish they gave us that kind of functionality in either Kronos or any of the Wavestates :( If that was to happen I'd instantly buy one! I'm sure there's a lot more of us missing that kind of thing ^^

  • @maxderindianer6593
    @maxderindianer6593 Před 10 měsíci +2

    @KORG: my wish is an AU Version for iPadOS.
    imagine controlling all parameters with your finger instead of noodeling on the small hardware menu or use a mouse on the native.
    thx a lot for the vid 🙏🏻👌🏽
    i have the native version and use it a lot

    • @kevincowart362
      @kevincowart362 Před 10 měsíci

      @@nebula393iWavestation is the ultimate waiting room synth, it keeps me entertained for hours

  • @SlaserX
    @SlaserX Před 10 měsíci +2

    When will Korg give us a merger of Opsix, Wavestate and Modwave in one synth? That's be something new and exciting to experience ❤

    • @Jason75913
      @Jason75913 Před 9 měsíci

      absolute insanity, might be close to Kronos-tier, and would likely be similarly-priced

    • @benjwgarner
      @benjwgarner Před 9 měsíci

      The Opsix is a whole different animal, but there's a lot of overlap between the Wavestate and the Modwave that would have made for a better single synthesizer, combining the more powerful wave sequencing of the Wavestate with the wavetable wave scanning of the Modwave. That's one thing that frustrates me about Korg: they have a tendency to release lines of products with disappointing missed opportunities where they could have done something spectacular with the innovative things that they develop but instead stop short, seemingly for marketing reasons.

  • @WhackABilly
    @WhackABilly Před 10 měsíci

    Good business using you for quality control, among other things.

  • @GirlfightClub
    @GirlfightClub Před 10 měsíci +10

    $2,000 for the SE. Korg’s Reverb’s store has extensive info

    • @d3tuned378
      @d3tuned378 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Who would overpay that much?

    • @sonarfreq
      @sonarfreq Před 10 měsíci

      @@d3tuned378 Yeah as beautiful as the SE is, that price tag is really a little high frankly, as I don't think it brings that much more to the table than the original model.

    • @RustyTonesJr
      @RustyTonesJr Před 10 měsíci

      ​@@sonarfreqFor around 2 grand, I'd pick up a Kodamo Mask1 instead. Support the little guys.

  • @sonarfreq
    @sonarfreq Před 10 měsíci +2

    Just read through all of the comments and although the unused space left on top of the SE seems to be a contentious issue, I think it's an ideal spot for your mouse mat 'n mouse, or one or two of the smaller desktop module synths, like the boutiques, etc. 👍 Or even additional external effects pedals.

  • @stefanomarcolongo9200
    @stefanomarcolongo9200 Před 10 měsíci

    Is the bottom of the Wavestation SE keybed made of metal or the same as the Nautilus 88 keys (which is not) ?

  • @yosexx162
    @yosexx162 Před 9 měsíci

    So, do you get the same sound from the hardware than from the wavestate native vst??

    • @Jason75913
      @Jason75913 Před 5 měsíci

      99%
      The VST lacks the DAC and related circuitry of the hardware, which adds a hint of more "flavor".

  • @Slowlyburnedelectronics
    @Slowlyburnedelectronics Před 5 měsíci

    Hi, great video! I am a bit confused. Is it possible in the mk1 version to load user samples? and if yes is it available the same memory capacity for user samples in both versions?

  • @RikMaxSpeed
    @RikMaxSpeed Před 10 měsíci +3

    I really love my WaveState of the generative music ideas it can generate, no other hardware synth can really do that, with high quality samples.

  • @NicolaLarosa
    @NicolaLarosa Před 10 měsíci +1

    They still didn't add the per-layer reverb sends? Weird, the modwave has had them since the beginning, and it has only two layers rather than four, so they would be even more useful here.

  • @hermask815
    @hermask815 Před 10 měsíci

    am i getting this wrong?
    on a FM synth you design a timbre and play it at different pitches(a.k.a notes) alongside other instruments.
    this seems like a mixture of a daw/tracker/mpc in hardware with 4 lanes and extensive library attached (korg manuals : wavestate mk1 : voice name list (PDF))
    or what would your definition be?

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Wave sequencing is really like no other synth (except to a certain degree modwave) - I recommend watching the tips section as well as my first video linked in the description to understand what makes it special.

  • @agm8763
    @agm8763 Před 10 měsíci +1

    It's a very interesting piece of hardware, It's a shame that the unit still has very limited integration with the native VST in your DAW, otherwise; I think it would be a lot more popular for people who work both in and outside of the box.

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před 10 měsíci +3

      The Native plugin works nicely within a DAW

  • @tekrahmuzik2119
    @tekrahmuzik2119 Před 10 měsíci

    Sold the small original version and got the vst but i kept the Opsix hardware

  • @user-mr1ku5iz8l
    @user-mr1ku5iz8l Před 10 měsíci +3

    Is a big screen unbelievably expensive for a manufacturer to include in the production? Roland is guilty of this as well.
    Companies have to know we are visual, whether that's good or bad for music produciton. I get the argument to focus on the music, but a big screen would be a nice option to have.

    • @captainlovett4724
      @captainlovett4724 Před 10 měsíci

      The Tasty Chips GR-1 has a 7” screen and sells at the same retail price. Korg is just pitiful these days. I started making electronic music exclusively with Korg because they were great for my beginner level, but I’m proud to not own anything from Korg currently.

  • @MrPerfectpizza
    @MrPerfectpizza Před 10 měsíci +4

    I have the Mk1, but surely after the release of the Native version, don’t all of these just become fancy controllers?

    • @Curious_Skeptic
      @Curious_Skeptic Před 10 měsíci +1

      Fancy? My $200.00 midi controller has after touch and at least 2.5 times to knobs and sliders. Lol. This is 100% a limited audience product. I am not sure who that audience is, but they must be out there.

  • @enochroot9438
    @enochroot9438 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Can you adjust the sensitivity of the after-touch to increase it?

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před 10 měsíci +2

      I may have missed it but there's no global way to adjust it. You can of course change the mod depth of aftertouch every time you assign it to something

  • @keithmurray9241
    @keithmurray9241 Před 7 měsíci

    Ok… so can we load our own samples into the MK2 or only on the SE? I’m sure you said it but I’m slow obviously! Lol!!

  • @simonburns1055
    @simonburns1055 Před 10 měsíci

    Not bad thanks Looper

  • @Judasz696
    @Judasz696 Před 10 měsíci

    This would be good as master midi keyboard with + pc monitor. This or maybe hydrasynth deluxe but mk2 has 4 lanes of sequencer

  • @codyzwick2753
    @codyzwick2753 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Wish they would add a master cutoff filter

  • @gabrielegelfofx
    @gabrielegelfofx Před 10 měsíci

    From Korg site: OUTPUT L/MONO and R (impedance-balanced 6.3 mm TRS phone jacks). Is the output balanced?

  • @Psychlist1972
    @Psychlist1972 Před 10 měsíci

    25:10 Techno Viking has been summoned!

  • @RuiGon1
    @RuiGon1 Před 10 měsíci +1

    This is a very complex synth. More complex than hydra. Thanks for the review.

    • @dankeplace
      @dankeplace Před 10 měsíci +2

      The 2 synths are totally different so cannot really be compared.
      You have lane sequencing on the WS and only an ARP on the HS.
      Then you have sample based on the WS and Wavetable on the HS.
      Then how you set up the modulation on the HS. Add the PAT keybed and the 2 synths aren't even comparable.

    • @RuiGon1
      @RuiGon1 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@dankeplace I know. I was just referring to the degree of programming complexity. But thanks.

  • @InFamousProductions
    @InFamousProductions Před 10 měsíci

    Hey watch the overview has reminded me of the single biggest question that I have not figured out how to do, is how to set a global filter. Ant one figure that out? I’m sure it could be made a simple thing like hold shift and turn the filter .

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před 10 měsíci

      There's actually a global EQ, but if you want a global filter knob (unless I missed the shift function...) you'll need to map a performance knob to all 4 filters

  • @Seekthetruth3000
    @Seekthetruth3000 Před 10 měsíci

    Why is the screen so small!? Beautiful demo.

  • @Hysteric_Subjects
    @Hysteric_Subjects Před 10 měsíci +3

    Is that the Castlevania opening ??

  • @mb102
    @mb102 Před 8 měsíci

    I feel like there to be two controllers bolted down on each side or a controller one side and drumlogue on the other lol

    • @mb102
      @mb102 Před 8 měsíci

      Also should have had an hdmi out

  • @macks2025
    @macks2025 Před 10 měsíci +7

    I understand why the markII looks the same as the original - that's fine.
    However the premium SE model should have had a better quality screen (IMO). I'd much rather not take the compulsory stitched luggage case and instead have a better quality display. I think ASM Hydrasynths made better choices in their decisions regarding design priorities for each product tier.

  • @theintrabotx
    @theintrabotx Před 10 měsíci

    Not sure if you answered this already, but is the Wavestate MK1 able to be updated with the additional MKII voices? I saw it mentioned briefly on the Korg website but still not 100% sure

    • @beegeorge1727
      @beegeorge1727 Před 10 měsíci

      @@loopop
      It's about voices upgrade...V1 to have 96..and 4gb storage...I believe that's not an option for Wavestate mk1....but if vst supports it then it's like hardware limit applied... surely a patch would do...but hey....we want you to pay more my friend...hence... there won't be an upgrade available as.....for now...
      64 is plenty.and 2gb storage too...just spend time designing your sounds or make sure what fits your needs does not go over 2gb in total..
      Btw..the same LCD size is an insult in mho.....just too small.. period...

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před 10 měsíci

      If you mean will Korg share the new MK2 presets, I am told the answer is yes. If you mean whether you’ll be able to upgrade mk1 to 96 voices, the answer is no as far as I know

    • @sonic2000gr
      @sonic2000gr Před 10 měsíci

      I would guess the extra voices come from updated hardware (probably now using CM4) so it won't be an option for the older wavestate.

    • @theintrabotx
      @theintrabotx Před 10 měsíci

      @@loopop ok thanks!

  • @simonburns1055
    @simonburns1055 Před 10 měsíci

    were they trying to do a Juno 106 look?

  • @andrewverran3498
    @andrewverran3498 Před 10 měsíci

    Can this cover most of what the Korg Opsix can do?
    Much appreciated.

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před 10 měsíci +1

      No, they are quite different, with some overlaps

  • @derkernspalter
    @derkernspalter Před 10 měsíci +1

    Actually left and right would be enough space to implement Opsix and Modwave in one Unit. :P

  • @falconwolf
    @falconwolf Před 10 měsíci

    Hi, is there an option to use filter cut of as a master filter for all 4 layers at the same time ?

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před 10 měsíci

      Not that I remember off the top of my head but you can map a performance knob to anything you like across layers

    • @falconwolf
      @falconwolf Před 10 měsíci

      @@loopop thank you you r the best!

  • @TwinCitiesOxygen
    @TwinCitiesOxygen Před 9 měsíci

    Do you think we will see a Modwave se?

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před 9 měsíci +1

      Even if I knew I couldn't say

    • @TwinCitiesOxygen
      @TwinCitiesOxygen Před 9 měsíci

      @@loopop noted * slow nod*

    • @Jason75913
      @Jason75913 Před 9 měsíci

      Doubt at the moment. Korg already planned the Opsix SE long ago, while the Wavestate SE may be due to users nagging for a full-sized version.
      I haven't seen much talk of people wishing for a full-sized Modwave.