The History of Renegade - arcade console documentary Nekketsu Kōha Kunio-kun
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My friend Steve and I would play this all the time back in the late 80s and early 90s. We were constantly saying, "Get lost, punk!" Steve passed away 9 years ago. I think of him automatically when I think of this game and vice versa. Although, I haven't seen him in over 20 years, I will miss him forever.
That is a wholesome story man, sorry for your loss! At least you got the good memories though.
Renegade was a gigantic hit back in the day. Lots of people gathered to play it.
Very cool
I remember the bus terminal in East Boston had Renegade and Heavy Barrel. It was the spot, smoking cigs and playing the arcades there.
Just like Double Dragon.
Facts
The joy of putting your quarters on the arcade screen to keep track of who’s next
Related fun fact: violence didn't exist until 1986. This game introduced it to humanity.
Also the same year the Aliens film was released. Coincidence?
@@DrownedInExile absolutely not. There are no coincidences.
@@superpaul79 so I was born that year, does that mean my birth brought violence to the world
@@Rendo86 I really want to say yes, but it was the game that created violence, not your birth.
Renegade, I love this series. Although my memories are from the ZX Spectrum and 8bit computers of mid 80s in UK
Renegade and Target Renegade.
Then I moved to Double Dragon, and then to Shinobi.... Timeline of my fave games of time. (ZX RoboCop Inc)
Fantastic video as always mate. Thanks so much for the content. Can't wait for next
Absolutely, the 128k versions of both were excellent (for menu music...). Target Renegade was also one of my all time favourites.
I played both on the ZX Spectrum 128K. Amazing games. I preferred them over Double Dragon on any system. I’m not sure why, I guess they left a lasting impression as a kid and nothing came close to matching those childhood memories.
Thank you my friend, I grew up with 64 version and was not that impressed with it. I was pleasantly surprised when I discovered the spectrum and Amstrad versions through emulation
Stage 3.
"The chicks are packed! The chicks are packed!"
-Rembrant,The Warriors.
"I'm not talking about WCW's Renegade..."
"I'm also not talking about Lorenzo Lamas as Renegade..."
I'm out.
Seriously, Kunio-Kun/Renegade is one of the most important arcade games ever made. This is the origin of what we think of as a "beat-em-up" with the action taking place on a plane (as opposed the 2D style). They managed to have bosses before we had a term for the concept.
The only important parts of the beat-em-up genre that were left to finalize were the forward scrolling instead of room-by-room fighting and quarter munching, which they added in the American targeted not-exactly-a-sequel "Double Dragon", which became the template for all of the non-2D beat-em-ups.
River City Ransom may be the NES game I played most. We had a mini-game of baseball we played in the early park area thanks to the basic physics engine. Just needed a stick and a rock.
The "Track and Field Style Game" was released as "Crash and the Boys Street Challenge" in the US. (Which is in the Kunio-kun graphic you have).
I particularly loved River City Ransom on NES. Great game!
I agree, the genre would not be worth that if this game had not come along. The designer was a genius and thanks to him being a bully growing up and getting into a lot of fights we all get to enjoy the fruits of his labor :-)
It still amazes me how many people claim to be beat-em-up fans in their 30's or 40's now and big up Double Dragon or claim to be beat-em-up aficionados...but fundamentally they don't appreciate or acknowledge how advanced or revolutionary the first Kunio-Kun/Renegade game is and was. For 1986 this was not only the first time where you not only had to manage crowd/enemy placement but you had to manage the miliseconds of time with who's ass you were whooping before the surrounding enemy's AI's would gang-up on you. This was the first and few times in games where you could do could actual MMA before that was a thing just straight Ground & Pound with your body on top and just left/right/left/right with punches to the face until it's they submit or get knocked out like it's over. This was the first time where you had full control of doing combination attacks, grabs, throws, and you were fully immersed with the fight. It did a fantastic job of emphasizing the stress and pressure of an actual group fight similar to real life where you have to constantly multitask and be aware of your surroundings at all times to neutralize all threats of attacks.
Don't get me wrong I love all of Double Dragon and all the fighting games Technos Japan Corp did but Kunio-Kun/Renegade truly captures the frantic essence of a street fight better than all others afterwards.
I could not have said it better myself. The ground and pound was something I fondly remember as a kid playing it for the first time. I tried to emphasize the point you made but perhaps it didn't come across. It really was revolutionary like you said
i was nine when this game first came out and i knew it was nasty and revolutionary but like everyone else i moved on to the slicker double dragon but unlike everyone else i have always acknowledge renegade's cutting edge greatness
TECHNOS!!! One of the best Developers of the 80's. Love your videos Dude!
I loved playing Renegade as a kid at my local 7-11. I also played Super Dodgeball. It was just as fun.
Forget about the final kiss, this game looks like it invented teabagging.
LOL, now that is hilarious
Lol. The expression's are also done very well when hit and knocked around lol. River city ransom was countless play through with my cousins. :).
The tricky thing with the fourth round against Sabu (the final gun-toting boss) was he and his goons all carried weapons that could kill you with just one hit (he had a gun, his boys had switchblades). So you had to either take them by surprise, or make sure they couldn’t pull out a weapon.
Another great video. It’s amazing how much of Double Dragon you see in Renegade. Keep up the great content. This channel inspired me to revisit some of the arcade title I didn’t play, thanks to retro content on my Xbox one. It’s unbelievable how much fun the older arcade games can be, despite the simplicity. Thanks.
I'm glad I could scratch that nostalgic itch. Thank you so much
I know I'm a month late. But here i am. Watching and loving it. Ohhhhwwwwwww the nostalgia.
Absolutely, glad I could help :-)
Another video from you, about yet another of my arcade obsessions from back in the day, and it's excellent as usual. I played this until my fingers were sore!! I remember one time the owner of the arcade approached my friends and me while we were playing this, and told us that very soon, a new game would arrive, that was something like a sequel for Renegade, but for two simultaneous players. Of course, our jaws dropped! The game in question? Double Dragon, obviously.
You are by far my most favorite old school creator and some day I sincerely hope we can go to the arcade together. Once I get the hell out of moon bat central here in Massachusetts!!
That is very nice of you to say. The last time I got to go to Massachusetts I was finally able to go duck pin And candle pin bowling. Good time :-)
This helped paved the way for legendary fighting games as we know it. This game is exceptional. The Sega Master System is my favourite port of the game. Well done Pat.
Thank you so much
We definitely got the track and field game. It was called Crash and the Boys.
Thank you for the info
@@PatmanQC-Arcade-Documentaries No problem. Thank you for the great content.
Yep, it was the sequel to Downtown Nekketsu Koushinkyoku: Soreyuke Daiundoukai (GB version Dokodemo Daiundoukai). There are so many more games in the series. I really enjoyed the 2 SNES sequels to the original as well, especially Tachi no Banka. I wish some of the Game Boy, SNES, PC Engine, Mega Drive, and arcade games had made it to that World Classics collection on PS4 and Switch.
There was also a Game Boy remake of Nekketsu Kouha Kunio-kun that we got over here as well. In the US, it was branded as a Double Dragon game, but in Japan it was a remake of Nekketsu Kouha Kunio-kun, but with graphics more in line with the NES and Game Boy games.
I played this in an arcade when it was brand new and I was in awe of it. It was the very first beat-em-up, so everyone wanted to try it. I also bought the NES version as soon as it came out and liked it even more. Years later, just like you, I realized that the SMS version was a bit better. I also have the arcade version on my Switch just because of nostalgia, but the version I play most is definitely the SMS one on my NES Mini.
Another great video. Your overview of videogames and their conversions are excellent and easily the best that I have found on CZcams! Also, you have a great sense of humor.
Thanks a lot, I really do appreciate the nice words. I'm also glad you enjoyed my silly sense of humor :-)
Love it when I catch these right when they come out. Thanks PatmanQC for another great video!
Awesome, hope you enjoyed it. Thanks
The dude using a hurricane kick in track and field @10:59 is a legend.
Absolutely, talk about cool
Fantastic video!
As a fan of the Nekketsu series, I eagerly await any future history videos on other games in the series like Super Dodge Ball and River City Ransom
I have a couple of them on my list, thanks
@@PatmanQC-Arcade-Documentaries you're welcome!
so many arcade memories with friends on the weekends. thank you for the videos and doing so much research.
Oooh shiiiiit! New Patman vid?! Yes pls.
Excellent, enjoy :-)
You have no idea how I love your channel! This is too awesome!
Thanks a lot :-)
One of my favorite arcade games, and Nes series, you did it again PatmanQC.
Excellent, glad you enjoyed it
Another banger video as always brother!
Thank you for a great video! Brings back some fond memories... 🙂
Glad you enjoyed it
Ah, good old Nekketsu koha Kunio kun/Renegade.
It's always nice to look back at the humble beginnings of what would become one of my favorite videogame franchises.
Heck, I even have my favorite character of said franchise as my YT avatar.
Very nice video.
Thank you, excellent avatar by the way
Always love a new Patman video. I come for the games and stay for the wife jokes.
LOL, thank you my friend
Arcade version has a bunch of thugs that look like the drummer from kiss on the level by the ocean. Nes version has sum dude riding a motorcycle inside an apartment. Doing 180 degree turns. Love that part
Yeah that was really cool
Yeah. Catman!
Thank you Patman for another video of one of my favourite arcade games, this and double dragon where favourites of mine. I had Renegade for my Amstrad CPC and I loved it. 😀
Thanks for watching, I had the Commodore version of it growing up and was pleasantly surprised with the Amstrad version
Another high quality and very excellent video
Great work as always. You find a way to make even the games i didnt care much for interesting ! TO BE THE PATMAN,WOOOO YOU GOTTA BEAT THE PATMAN WOOOOOOOOOOO
Now that is high praise indeed, thank you so much :-)
Great video as always
Thank you my friend
When I first clicked on this I was thinking of Rampage only to remember you covered that already. Thanks for another great video!
Absolutely, thanks for watching
I love your videos sir, so robust and entertaining, you're the MVP
Glad you like them! Thank you so much
Great video, Pat. Thanks.
Thank you
Oh Renegade I played the US and Japanese version they were different and the change is for the obvious reason to why. Glad you make a video about it. It's hard but I enjoyed the game
I had this on Apple II. It was probably the first game I ever beat.
God bless you man thank you for these videos they really help keep my mind off my troubles
Glad to help, Hope you feel better in the future
"Happy Little Games!". Everytime I heard that, it's time for another great video. I just saw ur video "Toki" yesterday. Keep up the good work.
Awesome! Thank you!
I didn't know much about renegade or its many ports but I'm glad I tuned in as always. Great job with the vid Pat! 👊
I love the Kunio-kun franchise. Thanks for this documentary! ^_^
Glad you enjoy it!
Awesome videos, thanks!
Thanks for watching! Thank you
Nice script! So funny! Thank you for the laughs! Cheers from Brazil.
Once again, great video. 👏🏻👏🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Also, I had no idea about the Amiga version of Renegade III. Thanks for the heads-up!
Thank you so much, check out the Amiga version it's not great but it's not bad either
Love the choons & hi res look of Target on C64, shame about the squiffy hit detection, needed a grab move too, ghoulie crunches are essential 💙
LOL, I agree
The Neo Geo also had a Kunoi-kun volleyball game, where you had a 3-on-3 game, and you got to swap out players with some of the captains of the teams you beat.
BRILLANT WCW Renegade ref
Thanks for turning me on to this game. I never paid it any mind in it's day. I just started playing it now since I've watched this video a bunch of times. I'm not very good at the game, but it is pretty addictive. The game's first screen music is pretty catchy. It does tend to get stuck in my head. Now I have to go watch your new Robocop vs Terminator video.
I did not get into renegade until years later after double Dragon came out. Now I really like it. Hope you enjoy the video
Kunio-Kun is a damn fine series.
Yes it is
I like the Baseball Fury at the start - Great video.
Great history and cool to see all the variations of the Renegade series, thanks Patman QC! That was funny about the reward at the end of the game at 15:40 . :)
LOL, thank you :-)
Any other criticisms?
@@PatmanQC-Arcade-Documentaries Great work, thanks! At 21:17 Nintendo's Seal of Approval apparently approves of Beer in their NES games. ;)
Another great vid, played the arcade version and Spectrum versions the most back in the day.
One trick that I enjoyed was running away from the bosses and dropping them with a single back kick. The trick worked by making sure you were spaced apart on the same line by kicking distance, then turning around and running away to get them to chase ya, then throwing that back kick out just before they reach you. If they get too close for you to kick them, your Sprite will turn around and face them with a punch instead, which will also instantly knock them down as they run into your punch!
I enjoyed using this trick on that big heifer boss on stage 3. I play cat and mouse with her. I wait for her to approach me on the same line (very important). While I'm on the same line as her, I back up, just walking backwards away from her until I'm about a space of kicking distance away from her, then I quickly book it to the other side of the screen. Just before I reach the wall, I throw a drop kick (time this right so you don't run or jump into the wall) and then instantly my Sprite is shown drop kicking the other way without landing, just in time for her to run into the kick dropping her like a sack of potatoes! Every time I face her, this is the way I beat her. You know it's hard to go toe to toe and trade hands with her, so this is a great advantage to beat her with. You could just stop and throw the back kick instead, but upon contact with it, she will drop forward underneath you, whereas the drop kick shows you sort of going right through her as she falls forward to the ground and as you land on the ground safely - about a kicking distance away from her. The flying drop kick is best utilized this way as it takes off about 3 bars of health from the boss's life meter in an instant.
The funny thing about the drop kick in Renegade/Nekketsu Kouha Kunio-kun is that the minions/ the weaklings fly backwards when they get hit with it, which looks normal in appearance, but every boss (including the boss at the end with the gun) lurch forward towards you, as you land that hit. You know in Double Dragon, when you get hit with the bat, and it looks like you sort of hold your stomach, like you're having a stomach ache, as you fall forward to the ground? That's how the bosses look as they fall from a flying drop kick. You have to fool them into chasing you, then suddenly run the other way and jump kick quickly at them( while they are still running at you) for that to be effective. 😁 You need a little bit more than kicking distance away from them - before you start running away - to pull this one off though.
I played this on commodore 64 and I enjoyed it to the max
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it, Thank you so much
You mentioned Lorenzo Lamas’s RENEGADE. CZcams better send you a plaque for that gem of a reference!!!
LOL, I sure hope so
One of my favorite action shows of all time.
Love the punch animation! Feels meaty!
Love your videos
Thank you my friend
I remember seeing advertisements for Renegade in Boy's Life of all places.
Loved it, even back then.
You are a man of your word
Thank you
Thank you for watching
In 2019, WayForward worked with Arc System Works (who had the Kunio-kun copyright for intellectual property) and with them, created “River City Girls,” where you play as Misako and Kyoto (the girlfriends of Kunio and Riki, who have been kidnapped) in this sequel to “Rivera City Ransom.” After a rough patch, they made it so a “special unlock” when accomplished created a “true ending” everyone was happy about. Next year they’re planning “River City Girls 2.”
For me, Renegade is one of gamings best beatem ups, if not the best. There are many other great games in this genre that have since did things better(graphics, enemies, length, etc.), but very few can beat the raw gameplay presented here. The "left" & "right" attack buttons are without a doubt what made this game so great back then, and why it has never really been bested even to this day. As it is a great mechanic, that once learned, just seems beyond natural, and the best way to play this type of game IMO! Would love to see a proper reboot of this some day, but maybe not, as it's almost impossible to improve on PERFECTION!
I Love Beat 'em up Games Like This Arcade Game Call 熱血硬派くにおくん Nekketsu Kōha Kunio-kun or Renegade in The West. it Was Created By Japanese Video Arcade Game's Company By Technōs Japan. The Series is Now Handled By Arc System Works Who Purchased All of the intellectual property Rights From Technōs' Successor, Million Corp.くにおくん I Love Kunio-kun Series Anyway Thank You For Posted The Best History Video Ever PatmanQC👏❤️.
5:23 "The Harbor, where thugs on motorcycles try to run you over..."
I once thought they were trying to steal the protagonist's KISS concert tickets.
LOL
Renegade was my very first NES game. I loved it. I cut my teeth on that game. Anyway, excellent video, and your mic recordings are much better!
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks
Kunio-kun Collection is getting a physical release via Limited Run games! There is also a long history of spinoffs and sequels to this day, including River City Girls & River City Girls 2 by WayForward Games & the first ever localization of the River City Girls franchise (where you have to rescue Kunio-kun instead.)
Despite the unpopular opinions of the NES version
It is one of the very best fighting games ever and here is why.
There were at least 3 moves that should have been in Double Dragon games and we're not. Tossing your enemy into your enemy behind you, Pouncing on your enemy while on the ground, running and jumping off the wall hitting your enemies with a flying jump kick. Yes the combat rivals any beat em up game ever made.
I also liked how you could choose what building or door to enter. Trespassing apartment buildings to unwelcoming residents? Also a maze on the final level.
Kicking bad guys off of their motorcycle and taking one and riding it around. Another dude this is awesome great gaming moment.
Not sure if the women beating you up with purses and necklaces were bad or letting you have it because you are a hoodlum. I'm guessing the second which makes this game even more funny.
The 1950s atmosphere is epic and the whole atmosphere of the game was really good when it came out. Before Double Dragon this game had it all.
Yes the Double Dragon games were an improvement overall. But they were also lacking some of the most important elements this game had. River City Ransom was the tip of the iceberg but I liked the combat much more in this game.
What's not to love about this game?
Kunio games are still favorites of mine and I play the new ones on occasion. But I still go back and play Renegade often. Try to get higher scores and retroachivements on my emulator frontend.
Absolutely, I couldd not agree more. I would assume the women beating you up is just them defending themselves.
games were expensive when I was a kid. eight pounds was a couple of months pocket money. despite this I shelled out for renegade on the zx spectrum. I knew barely anything about it but chose it from my mum's mail order catalogue. I loved it. played it for months over and over. it had real nuance, i found the hidden mechanisms that allowed you to do flying kicks in 3 different ways stunning your opponent differentlty. then a couple of years later on holiday at the seaside I saw the arcade version in an arcade on a pier over the sea. strangely I didn't like it much due to it having quite a different control method but I'll always remember the spectrum original
Fantastic. Something similar happened to me with marble madness because I had never seen an arcade game growing up was only familiar with the Commodore 64 and Amica versions (which I absolutely loved) I finally saw an actual arcade cabinet at a fair the first thing I noticed was the trackball and tried to play it and didn't make it past the first level LOL
Never really played the arcade game, but the Spectrum 128 version yesss!! One of the best arcade conversions and Target Renegade as well. Remember reading Crash magazine back in the day reviewing how good they were
Yes it turned out really good
My fave mid 80's game next to Mat Mania. I own both Jammas. A great game that paved the way for Double Dragon and all future fighters.
I couldn't agree more
I watched my brother place this in the arcade back in the day. So awesome
I remember as a kid playing this game in the arcades I use to act like I was playing as John Kreese from Karate Kid because I always thought the character resembles him.
Renegade was also influenced by The Warriors director Walter Hill's Streets of Fire, which was a big hit in Japan at the time. I'm pretty sure the hero of SoF was the inspiration for Cody in Final Fight because of their shared name. Also, the big, greaser street gang stealing the hero's girlfriend, the rockabilly and big rock songs also had a lot to do with the feel of the cities in games like Renegade, Double Dragon, The Combatribes, and on and on.
岸本 良久 Yoshihisa Kishimoto He The Amazing Best Know The Creator Behind The Series of Beat 'em up Games Like くにおくん Kunio-kun And 双截龍ダブルドラゴン Double Dragon Games. He Really Amazing Creation For Technōs Japan
SNK
Million Corp.
Atuls With SEGA
And Arc System Works. God Bless Yoshihisa Kishimoto The Father of Beat 'em up Games.
0:25 I love that art it’s very nice
This is one of those games that I saw people playing at the front of the supermarket. I was 6 or so and I was playing moon patrol. After my quarter was gone, I’d watch the big kids play this. At my elementary playground, we would pretend fight this game. It got use ready for bully kids later on and would fight them.
Renegade and Kung Fu master were my first brawlers I played as a 7 year old in the local arcades
For me as well
Awesome review as always. I really only played the NES (too young for going to the arcade at the time). I remember my parents yelled at me for quoting this game "Get Lost Punk"! I could never beat it though :(.
Thank you very much. Sorry you couldn't complete it
Never saw this in the arcade. My beatemup experience began with Double Dragon. Watching Renegade makes me wonder why they had such issues with slowdown in Double Dragon! This game looks like it runs as smooth as butter with many more enemies
Perhaps the larger sprites played into the slowdown?
I used to play the crap😂out of this game great 80's memories as ALWAYS GREAT mini docu's
Thanks👍👍for the uploads
Excellent, thank you for the nice words
One of my favorites!!!!
I always enjoyed it as well
I used to play Target Renegade on my old Amstrad. Loved it.
It was really good on their
Many HATED IT! However, I LOVED Renegade on the NES, no two plays were the same and it was balls HARD! Excellent video as always brother!
*Also loved the Lorenzo Lamas "Renegade" drop! 😆
The track and field game was released in the states called Crash n the Boys: Street Challenge
We almost got the hockey one too. It was teased at the end of the credits as Crash n the Boys: Ice Challenge
Excellent, thanks for the info
I'll be doing a full gameplay of this very soon on my new channel great little game. Cheers Pat 🤟
Thank you so much
I remember playing this at the airports' arcades, while waiting to change planes, as a kid.
Great memories, this was the first game I got on my C64 (cassette tape) back in 87. Ahhh I can almost hear the whine of the tape player..
One of the earliest games I can recall getting for my Commodore 64 was Bruce Lee
@@PatmanQC-Arcade-Documentaries Never got to play that one unfortunately, might not have had too many ship to Australia back then...
Good thing i look up the best beat em up games. And it shown the kunio kun and then double dragon. Renegade was fun! I even my pfp to mr k as a tribute
Excellent :-)
The "Track and Field Style" game is Crash n' the Boys: Street Challenge here in the States.
those sports games look really good
I enjoyed the basketball game as well as the baseball game
Me and my mates spent many hours playing Renegade and Target Renegade on the Speccy back in the day. Usually while listening to Bestie Boys' License To Ill and MJ's BAD!
Target Renegade was the first beat'em up I played in the 80s on my ZX Spectrum.. One of my top games at the time, until streets of rage came along on Sega :D
It's a really good version
Alot of people complained of the control scheme but I think it's genius and makes it possible to attack multiple enemies whiles surrounded
I know I complain about at the time LOL
Now I’m dying to know who that boss reminds you of
Another silly little trick that I recall is what I would like to coin as the 'Perma-Pin' (Yes, Permanently Pin to the ground) trick. This trick will allow you to keep your opponent on the ground, without ever standing up to fight, for as long as you like, or until the time runs out. The trick is to hover over your opponent after you knocked him to the ground. You don't have to punch him, or just hit him with a couple punches at the most. Then press up to get off of him to stand. The instant your Sprite is in the standing position and your opponent is still lying down, just hover over him again. Again, you don't have to punch him, or just no more than 2 punches again, if you want to hit him. The point of this is that when it's properly executed, your opponent will never get the chance to stand up! 😉
This is especially effective against the bosses. Even if they have plenty of energy bars left, this trick will slowly defeat them, without them ever having the chance to stand up and fight back. Obviously if the bosses have plenty of energy bars, they will push you off of themselves, the instant you try to hover over them. This trick is effective once they have maybe a little less than half of their life meter left, so if you're in a jam where they've beaten out more of your life meter than you have of theirs, you might want to resort to this trick to turn the tables on them! 😎
By the tricks that I had mentioned in this comment section apply to the arcade versions of Renegade and Nekketsu Kouha Kunio-kun (or just Kunio-kun if you please) only. I don't know if these tricks would work on these games on any of the other platforms like Nintendo, MS-DOS, Amiga, Commodore 64, etc. 😏
I always wondered why Super Dodge Ball had some of the same music as Renegade. Now I know.
Yes sir, glad I could help :-)