Why Swiss Mechanical Movement is More Expensive (Sellita SW200 VS Seiko NH35)
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- We're comparing a Sellita SW200 against a Seiko NH35 to find out why SW200 is the more premium mechanical movement of the two.
While the SW200 sits in a higher market bracket than the NH35, comparing them still gives us the insight into the difference in design philosophy between Swiss and Japanese mechanical movements. And the difference is more than just one movement being more of "high quality" than the other one.
Timestamps:
▶0:00 Introduction
▶0:24 Movement handling safety
▶1:06 Remove hour wheel and spring
▶1:28 Comparing Swiss and Japanese movements
▶4:40 Conclusion - Jak na to + styl
I've found that my Selita/ETA (Hamilton/Tissot/Rado/Mido/Glycine) powered watches are far more delicate - especially if you (like me) didn't know any better and hand wound the watch to get it going. I killed two SW's that way until I got educated. NH35, despite it's unrefined nature is a brilliant piece of engineering.
Exactly. In fact ETA recommends using the hand winding only to get the watch started, and using the automatic rotor to do the rest of the job.
NH35 on the other hand, you can abuse however you want and it'll keep on ticking. Hell of a workhorse.
With the exception of tissot, I've always thought all the other watches makers you mentioned are extremely overated and over priced. And now, from this video and comment section I know the sellita movement is delicate garbage
@@AvidUTuber tossit is also garbage
Ok, well... "unrefined nature" when comparing a crap design to a good one is an odd way to refer to the latter
@@khrttartrahht4188 We own two cars. A Mercedes C350 Coupe and a Toyota Corolla. The Mercedes is much more luxurious and infinitely more refined. Will it last as long as the more unrefined Corolla? Nope. Two things can be true at the same time. Same with the movements I mentioned.
Props to you for keeping a straight face when saying a two gram difference is "less of a burden on your wrist"
I stopped the video at that point and blocked this channel
he also talks smack about the nh35 having plastic parts. conveniently forgetting the very expensive powermatic 80 has plastic parts for critical components
@@garylangford6755 if you call powermatic 80 very expensive, i don't know what you'll call for the real swiss watches
It's unfair to say this comparison shows the difference in quality or finishing between Swiss and Japanese movements because it compares Sellita's $200 top-grade movement with Seiko's $50 entry-level workhorse. What it really shows are the differences between price points. A more appropriate comparison would be the SW200 and the Seiko 6L35.
Hmm interesting. I just getting into watches and from the comment section , people are still saying the sellita is overpriced garbage
@@AvidUTuber I would never hesitate to buy a watch with a Sellita. In my experience, they're solid and easily equal to or better than the ETA movements the design copies. As to whether they're overpriced, that's a whole other conversation, but I wouldn't call them junk relative to any other movement around that price.
Yea the ne15 ne25 6r 6l etc series is to rival 2824-2 and sw200 and all its variant, but on the spec sw200 still end up with better spec overall and a lot cheaper than seiko
To be fair he's showing the expensive 2824 clone here, seagull make she st2130, and another company makes the pt5000, these are both Chinese clones of the 2824, as opposed to Swiss clones, they can be had for around 50ish dollars about the same as nh35, in my ill informed opinion the Chinese 2824s are just as good as the Swiss clones, they all will break from handwinding all the same💀 nh35 feels better wind in my opinion, my 2824 clone feels like in grinding gravel when I wind it
@@AvidUTuberthey are likely saying this because it is a mundane movement put in watches that cost in the 4 figures, some companies will make small mods to sw200s and call the movements "in house" and ask for more money, another reason people call it overpriced is bc of the focus on longer power reserves instead of smoother second hand sweep (the amount of times the second hand moves per second) the nh35 and miyota 8000 series have 3hz (1hz equates to 2 "tick" of the second hand per second, 3hz=6 beats per second) the sw200 is a "high beat" or a 4hz (8 ticks per second) due to the focus on power reserve, Swiss companies created the powermatic 80 (modified 2824 (2824 is what the sw200 is based off) that is 6hz instead of 8hz, but gets 30 hours more power reserve) these Swiss companies put the powermatic 80 in every cheap watch they have, and as a result the sw200/eta 2824 watches with 4hz moved more upmarket, meaning if you want a Swiss watch with 4hz sweep, you're basically going to have to pay about 1 thousand dollars (unless you buy micrbrands, that's another story) this is a reason why people say they are overpriced, seiko also did something similar with essentially moving their 4hz movements up to the 2000 dollar range.
Such a misleading description, you shouldn’t said Swiss vs Japanese movement over and over again when comparing a $30 vs $200 movement. Just say the model no. Or just use the equivalent tier movement from each origin like seiko 6r/9 series miyota vs sw200.
Exactly. It's like comparing an Audi A4 to a Honda Accord. One costs a bit more, and you get more for that premium.
The nh35 and 36 are made for entry level micro brands. You can spend around 100-250 on a watch with the nh35/36 and you're gonna get a super reliable and accurate watch.
I've got an Invicta pro diver with the nh35 and it keeps accurate time for a couple weeks. It's a fantastic watch that cost me 90 bucks brand new.
I think he addressed that issue in 1:37 fairly.
Europeans, as usual
One movement costs $50 (the Seiko) and the other $189 (the Sellita). You were right at the opening saying that it was not a fair comparison! I would not generalize this to say that all Japanese movements are inferior to Swiss at a given price point.
Agree. This is an informative video but I'd like to see a movement comparison with a Seiko choice in a similar price category as SW or ETA.
After spending more than 5000$ to tissot watches, with more than 750$ of it to service costs, I decided to learn a bit, how to do my own service and after understanding mechanism of std automatic watches I started to ask this question, "why those swiss watches are so expensive" At the end, a simple automatic watch, without any serious complication, can be serviced by any hobiest who has proper equipment and when you put it into pieces, you also clearly see that, there is no rocket science behind it. So what is the difference between, a swiss movement and for example, a japanese one. My short answer is there is no significant difference according to my experience, my japanese movements seems to be more robust. I am telling this, because I build my own watch, with miyota 8215 movement and throw in a box all my tissots. At the end, tissots were causing me trouble every 3-5 years and I had to spend each time 200-300$. But, my own production:)) is perfectly working, since more than 6 years and it keeps time good enough (with +10sec per day). In my opinion, such performance is quite acceptable for a 100$ watch. Long story short, use your money for something useful, rather than making rich swiss people richer:))
It looks like promo video to me
They are more superior to Swiss counterparts in the sense they don't break easily compared to their swiss counterparts and is more affordable.
They are though…
"while comparing the nh35 and sw200 isn't fair because they exist in a different price bracket this comparison should show you how Swiss and Japanese movements differ in their underlying design philosophy" - proceeds to not talk about design philosophy and instead unfairly comparing these 2 particular movements.
In my engineering undergrad. I learned equipment that requires tight tolerances will not be as reliable or outlast equipment that does not need those tight tolerances.
Requirement of extremely high tolerances imply when Parts wear down, function is impeded thus needing service at a higher rate. This rises down time of use and increases cost
Incorrect
@@whereRbearsTeeth Oh my bad nevermind guys j was wrong thank you I was about to interview at Lockheed Martin glad you called my mistake
To make a fair comparison you should buy movements of the same price range. Next time try a Seiko 6R35, it would be more fair
There isn’t much difference between the 6R and 4R they are basically the same
The construction of the 6R is not much different from the 4R. 6R gets better material in main spring and the balance assembly and that's about it.
@@tilio9380I’ve also read the 6r is not as easily regulated as the 4r.
This isn't even a comparison. The title says "why an SW200 is more expensive than an NH35". It's precisely meant to illustrate the difference between price-points - NOT as an apples v. apples comparison. Could also have called it "Here's what you're getting if you upgrade to the next higher tier of commonly available movements".
@@Mikael5732 There the same to be fair
Just to play Devils advocate here. I had two Oris watches, both with SW200's, both had to be returned under warranty for issues with their date wheels not adjusting, I've plenty of mechanical watches and only ever adjust the date way clear of midnight, but both had the same issue within six months of new purchase, they never felt particularly clean before or after the warranty work. On the other hand, I've plenty of Seiko's that have simply never given me any issues of any kind, in keeping or adjusting time or date. That said, I still prefer Swiss, but, genuine ETA is the way to go, both my Sellita experiences were poor. Oris's now sold, never going down that road again. Seiko's are just superb workhorses.
😂
"Do not hold the movement like this"
Proceeds to hold the movement like this
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Dumbest comment I’ve read in quite some time
Very interesting video and really liked the comparisons! please compare more of these movements vs movement style videos!
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Subscribed! Can you PLEASE make a video on the new La Joux-Perret G100, D100 and L100 movements? The G100 is made to be a direct competitor to the 2824/SW200 due to the same dimensions. Not sure about the other ones. But they will, or already have appeared in some good value brands such as Frederique Constant and Edox, as well as many microbrands.
Thanks for the sub! That's some interesting movements for comparison. I'll see if I can track down any of those.
case for NH36 can fit miyota 8285?
How does the mechanism know how many days are in current month?
I like the H-50 on my Hamilton Automatic which is still the ETA 2801-2, but they have reduced the beat rate to 21,600 VPH (3hz) and increased the size of the barrel to allow for a superior power reserve, quite smart and simple. Getting -1 second a day and sometimes spot on.
I have the khaki field king and it's just spot on
This is a great video! could you do a Miyota movement too?
I have had more entry level Swiss Movements fail compared to my Japanese Movement watches, they each have advantages and disadvantages.
The Sellita is kind of a delicate movement. The good thing about being a 2824 clone is that literally every watchmaker knows how to service it.
@@DIYWatchClub And the better thing is that you never need a watchmaker for a Seiko NH34.
@@avronaut LOL! How true.
What about a Grand seiko Spring drive 9ra2?
I really respect you guys for introducing the sw200 to the kit lineup! I've always wanted to work with one.
Given the two main problems the sw200 faces (handwinding breaking the ratchet wheel, and the reversers getting stuck and causing helicopter rotor) I'd be really happy if you guys released a video showing how to swap out/service these specific parts to fix a broken sw200. Then I'd feel much more confident building and maintaining my own sw200 watch
That's a good idea for a video!
Reverser wheels are fairly straight forward if you choose the right lubricant. The ratchet wheel is easy to access and swap, and is also inexpensive. The only issue I can think of, is that you might have sheared off teeth as a result of aggressive handwinding. If these teeth have migrated elsewhere into the movement, you may want to consider a service.
Interestingly, ETA 2824 never had problems with ratchet wheel breakage, and stucking reversing wheels (only pivot wear in some service neglected movements). I even encountered second wheel (first after the barrel) teeth wear, ball bearing wear, in reversers - wear in holes for pawls. Just Sellita uses inferior metals, for exapmle, where ETA uses beryllium copper of Glucydur, Sellita uses plain brass, that's why reversers wear out fast and get sticky
@@dima343. I wouldn't know, since I haven't seen too many original ETA 2824. I know that some reversing wheel issues existed even with that movement, which were largely tied to lubrication issues. (helicopter rotor) It's quite possible that the Sellita ratchet wheel is inferior, and I've always wondered if that wheel was sacrificial by design.
@@dima343. Interesting, thanks for the info!
Does NH35 have the same "helicopter rotor" problem, that plagues many (way too many) SW200 movements?
I have numerous of both movements. The most problematic movement I own is the SELLITA SW200 (helicopter effect). Although I do admit the SW200 feels more refined compared to the feel of the NH series. That date changing on the NH35 an hour ahead is not a movement issue, but rather that hands were not set properly (closer to the midnight date change). In the end until SELLIA addresses the known issue with the bad part causing the rotor to spin out of control until something breaks, I'll take the NH35 all day over the SELLITA. As a matter of fact for my money I'll take the Miyota 9series over both the NH and Sellita.
9015 best
We do have to take into account that SW200 is basically a ETA2824, and that design is pretty dated and it comes with baggage, so to speak. NH35 went through quite a few evolutions and it is one heck of a workhorse.
On the date change, perhaps the video didn't do a good job describing it, but what I was trying to say is that it takes much longer for NH35 go from the start of date transition to the actual transition. On sw200 it's about half an hour in real time and on NH35 it's waaay longer.
9015 is a lovely movement
@@DIYWatchClub Unless you have to service it and realise that too many pinions have to get in to holes at once... Miyota movements are just like that.
@@DIYWatchClubInteresting but how come my ETA 2836 has an instantaneous day-days change? Shouldn’t the Sellita as well if it’s a clone of the 2824?
Why not chose a Miyota 9000 series? It would have been a fairer comparison.
3:43 the time the date change starts depends on hand alignment at time of casing up not the moment manufacturer 3:43
I perhaps didn't describe it clearly enough in the video. What I mean is, the NH takes longer to go from the start of date transition (when the date change mechanism is engaged and starts to transition) to the actual transition at midnight, the click, which both movements should do if cased well. The NH transition started way earlier than midnight, and it took that long to go from start to finish. So, no, it's not a matter of alignment of time.
Comparing entry level Japanese movement with entry level Swiss movement. Makes sense to me.
An SW200 with a magic lever automatic system and beefed up keyless works would be a killer movement.
Very interesting information. I have the NH36 from HK. it definitely has details that could improve, especially the date jump. But it's pretty precise.
Would be cool if you could make a guide assembling a watch with the SW-200
We are releasing a SW200 kit as we speak!
Here you go! shop.diywatch.club/collections/diy-swiss-watch-kit?fbclid=IwAR13Zj0-mQCE3jHdV1W_Cihi1QlSoqz5YZ9UndfGppQhwfvPWHgs8zIRrHY
The winding feel and the date change have nothing to do with the tolerance of the parts. An instantaneous date change in a gradual date change use two totally different mechanisms. The winding feel depends on the gear ratios in the winding train and the amount of teeth on the gear contacting the click.
How many % parts comes from? Just Brand !
This is Like comparing Audi A8 with Camry. You gotta compare things in same weight class
one thing you didn't say: the NH35 got seiko magic lever automatic works, which is more efficient than traditionnal
What's that?
And considerably more reliable. I can't tell you how many reverser wheel sets I have replaced over 20 years of professional watchmaking. I can remember the singular 1969 6105 magic lever pawl I replaced because it was so "out of the ordinary". But truth be told, Seiko got the magic lever idea from the Swiss (JLC), and reinvisioned it with only 2 components.
Interesting video. Thanks
What’s the price difference between the two?
The sw200 is at least one price bracket higher than the nh35
@@DIYWatchClubyes but how many USD dollars is each one?
NH35 is around 25$ while the SW200 is close to 200$ range
@ thanks
The NH35 might be more difficult to service, but would anyone service it instead of swapping it out for new NH35? Unless the customer insists on servicing the existing movement.
More difficult is a relative term. The SW-200 is easier to access. The NH35, especially on the side of the wheel train, is more like a guided tour. Even if you didn't know the movement, there is also one logical next step in the reassembly and assembly. The SW200 has some odd pitfalls, such as not removing the stem from the right position, which may force you to take parts of the front of the movement apart, just when you thought you had fully assembled a watch.
But in the end these differences are minute, if you know what you are doing. Also, if you are going for an inexpensive replacement route, you can buy ETA2824 clones for maybe $5 more than you'd pay for the NH35. These clones aren't pretty, but they are functional. In the end, you shouldn't have much of a service issue with any standard movement.
I would say from experience, any of the Seiko 7S/4R based movements are very easy and logical to service. it typically takes less time to service them than 2824 based movements.
I would rather have the larger movement as fragility increases as size decreases. Also, date change can be manipulated to wearers liking by installing the hands at 12 midnight just a few minutes after the date begins to change. Date will fully click past midnight but by then most wearers of the watch will be sound asleep so will not notice.
I think I nice and fair comparison here would be SW200 vs Miyota 9 series since both are 4hz movements.
Would you please compare Japan movement and Swiss movement of the same price? I believe SEIKO has premium movement more than $50.
Agreed. I’ve had the helicoptering happen to two Orises, a Glycine, and a San Martin. All had the Sellita movement in them.
sellita in a San Martin? that's interesting, from the little research I did when I was considering them they only used NH movements and the occasional miyota 9000 series
i stand corrected, just looked it up, sw200 AND A WATCH for £385 is wild
Disclaimer does nothing with ending conclusion like this. There are better japanese movement like Miyota 9015 and they will still be cheaper with better specification.
To be specfic with the price bracket. That Swiss movement shown is not just 2 or 3 times the cost but 5 to 10 times the cost of the Japanese movement.
The date transition information is misleading, I have 4 SW200 & a ETA 2824 which, granted, all have very close to midnight, date changes and I have 15+ NH35 36 movements, some of which have very close (
I have an ETA2824-2, an SW200-1b and 4R35b (= Seiko's own NH35).
They're all great and lasted longer than most things I've owned.
The cheaper 4R35b does seem to be more primitive, but also more robust.
In these times of planned obsolescence, these timepieces are almost literally timeless...
2:26 I suspect a non negligible part of that 2g difference lies in the huge difference in size between the temporary crowns that are not part of the movement at all. You should have removed the crowns to fairly compare the movements.
This is what I watch at 3 am
I have a 4R35 that runs -3 seconds per day. So the movement can be a solid performer. Have several watches with 2824-2 in them, also solid performers.
A 9 series Miyota would be a better comparison.
Agreed. Similar price, and we love the 9015
And Sellita movements?
is it really that much more though?
Swiss movement usually have slightly smooth winding due to its tight manufacturing tolerance . If comparing the ETA 2892 /2824 with seiko 7s26 / 4r36 , will notice the ETA have smooth sweep as its 28,800 bph vs seiko 21,600 bph . seiko hi beat and spring drive is another level . For accuracy , nothing beats a quartz or digital watch . Just don't forget to change the battery . Always use a silver oxide ( SR ) , not alkaline ( LR ) and check its expiry date .
I can’t believe I’ve never had a Sellita Movement, but I guess between the Swatch Group(Tissot & Blancpain), Rolex, and Revue Thommen I’ve never gotten one, all House or ETA
So this item is called movement?
NH35 is actually okay as a daily beater and quite smooth winding in my pagani but my miyota from citizen is not so smooth.I think Seiko movement are smoother and I have not get a swiss watch yet as they are quite expensive
Bro if one is more expensive, then better/more expensive materials and processing/tooling can be deployed to make it smaller, lighter, tapered etc. This may not be a swiss vs japan thing.
Now compare SW200, ETA 2824, and Chinese PT5000 for more definitive result
I recently bought three "European" brand watches and they all had NH35 movements
Cool, compare it to a Spring drive now.
Thumb-down. Inaccurate. Japanese movements are *_not_* , in-general, less expensive than Swiss movements. This video is like comparing a Timex to a Jaeger LeCoultre then saying "this is why US movements are cheaper than Swiss movements". No they're not; you just *_chose_* a cheap movement. Try comparing a similar-price Swiss and Japanese movements instead; that might have been an interesting comparison.
The griddy winding of the NH35 is due to smaller gears and overcomming the magic lever self winding system.
Interesting video! You didn’t mention that for the layman it’s much cheaper to replace an NH35 rather than service it so the ease of servicing comparison isn’t really relevant.
That's true to the folks at Seiko and watch companies. For us end users though, ease of servicing is still quite desirable.
@@DIYWatchClub I was thinking of myself as the layman (an enthusiast but with no watch repairing skills). Cheaper for me to buy a new NH35 and get a watchmaker to swap it over than to ask them to service it!
Tissot uses plastic parts too in their powermatic 80
I've never opened any of my Seiko watches, but I'm willing to bet that the 4R movements have a metal gear instead of the plastic gear that is in the NH ones.
They're the same movement so the 4R movements also have plastic gears
I would also recommend a brass tweezers because they are non-magnetic.
Good video. Couldn't agree more with the final sentences. A 24 jewel NH70 or NH35 is going to feel cheaper (winding, setting date, time etc) than a 28 jewel ETA movement and this ETA is going to feel cheaper than a in house 3135 Rolex Movement, or Patek, Audemars etc
Much appreciation and respect to all these watch companies.
These two movements are completely different designs. It would be much more useful to compare the SW200 with the Chinese PT2000 or Seagull 2130 movements
Seiko equivalent of 2824-2 is the 6r 6l ne15 ne25 and a lot more expensive too at that
Hm, the date change closer to midnight is a very inaccurate statement - it doesn't depend on the movement itself, but on the assembly. You can place the hands at midnight in the exact moment of the date change, so it completes the change very close to 0:00. Yeah, the change on the Sellita might be snappier and take less time than on the Seiko, but it has nothing to do with the exact time of the date change. It could as well change at 3:00 if someone assembled the watch this way and it doesn't matter what movement is being used.
you should check a Swatch automatic movement, which still costs more then the Seiko one, to see how crap it is.
this video would have made more sense if it was comparison between the SW200 and something like the Miyota 9015
What about grand seiko
EXCELLENT watch!! Seiko is one of the world's best watches
The plastic parts in the NH35 are a little bit flexible which helps with reliability
Just so I understand. the point of this was? Compare two entirely different market and price categories, and then point out key category differences showing the entry level doesnt have the same build approach? Then subtly declare the higher category far superior?
Talk about stacking the deck and gaming the outcome. You are definitely a high end marketer if that is measured by deception while maintaining the requisite caveats in the beginning (that they are different categories). You failed to mention DRAMATICALLY different categories AND that there are comparable comparisons.
If you already know all of this, then the vid wasn't meant for you. It was meant for people who are more towards the beginning of their learning curve. Nobody needs you to comment to try and show how much you know.
My Oris with sw200 keeps tickin 3 years already with -2,-3 secs per day :)
First mechanical watch can be japan mechanism. You can learn how to care watch and get experiences. Then you can buy swiss made watch. That why I did it )
0:14 NH35 is not a Japanese movement. It's made by TMI, a company based in Hong Kong.
TMI is SEIKO group, this is a SEIKO movement manufactured outside of Japan. Like a Volkswagen made in Mexico, or a Mercedes made in USA. Nobody would say, that a VW or a Mercedes manufactured outside of Germany are not german cars... 🙂
日本の技術を楽しみたいのであれば、MADE IN JAPANを購入して下さい!
Brilliantly explained video. Thankyou mate.
date wheel gears are plastic to remove the need for lubrication (they are considered self-lubricating) since they turn so slowly and have so few teeth. It is not to save money. That is what i have read anyway.
Surely the transition depends on how well the hands have been installed. Nothing to do with the movement lol
Whenever I hear Swiss made now I think only 60% has to be made in Switzerland, the other 40% can come from anywhere such as China and the watch manufacturer can still put Swiss Made on the dial.
Now compare two movements that costs the same.
Informative. Thanks.
That is a clone of a sellita sw200. The shock system is a kif spring on the balance jewel. The genuine Swiss movements use the Incabloc shock system.
I've no clear winner to either one Japanese or Swiss but don't hand wind either of them, not even to get them started....a few gentle shakes time set and go. Never had an issue with either one. The 2824 and associated SW-200 were initially designed for hand winding. To make this movement automatic the overall dimensions were limited to e.g. thickness of the ratchet wheel. I think the manual of the SW200 is clear on the hand winding subject. For me personally....if I buy a car with an automatic gearbox and use it only in manual mode, what's the point of buying an automatic? It wouldn't surprise me if the automatic gearbox of a car would wear out faster too because of that. As far I understood the SW-300 movements and up were designed as automatics where this hand wind issue doesn't persist is seems. In my mind...if you wanna hand wind...don't buy an automatic :-)
answering the question "why swiss mechanical movement is more expensive" by comparing an eta clone to the one of cheapest japanese movement is ridiculous. i suggest you go find any gs 9s/9r and compare them to any rollies movement and get your eyes opened first.
do it again but with similar time pieces. price tag.
for me, as long as it tells time accurately
I am a novice home watch enthusiast and tinkerer. For my needs I only buy NH series and 82XX watch movements. I would not buy a Selita movement for a hobby watch project. Its over kill and would not really improve the project enough to justify the expense of purchasing a Swiss watch movement. Maybe in the future, when I gain experience and knowledge I might purchase a SW200 movement if it is justified. For now, if you really want a high beat movement, why not try an ST2130 or a PT5000 movement? Cheaper and more practical for the home watch project.
Getting a Chinese 2824 clone is perfectly fine choice to start with. We once disassembled one, man it was so drenched in oil that the US army could invaded it. And its performance deteriorated quickly. But with proper servicing and oiling, it went back to okayish performance. It's an inexpensive choice to get to know the in and outs of a 2824. Not recommended for anything more.
@@DIYWatchClub Performance can vary. I have an ST2130 and also a pt5000 in two of my watches. They are both fine watches. I have heard of other people having issues with theirs but I have had good experience with mine. I have also heard that as time goes on they are improving the quality control on both these movements. People are reporting well oiled and beautifully regulated performance from their PT5000. Yes, I know, Swiss movements are better movements. In my view, I would not put a swiss movement into a hobby watch. Its over kill. If you buy a name brand watch then its ok. Hobby watches usually have very little residual value so you might as well use generic movements.
@@glenh4971 Good to hear that the Chinese is improving their quality control. This is going to benefit hobbyists so much.
As soon as I saw the title of the video I said to my self: “Buckle up, the comments are gonna get spicey.” I was not disappointed. Brands and in this case movements have their fans and they can get prickly if you say there is something a bit better than what they have. I wish fandom wasn’t so annoying, but it is. Good video.
And spicy it did get.
IMO it always is a good thing to get a healthy discussion going. I'm having a blast reading all the first hand experience with both movements.
Is the NH35 really a Japanese movement? According to some, it's more Malaysian or even Chinese, but it's an excellent movement and that's what's important.
It can be produced in Japan, in Malaysia, and as some rumors have it, in China. But the country of origin doesn't seem to affect the quality of the movement, given that it's a real Seiko/TMI movement.
The NH35 is the export version of the 4R35. The only difference is that the 4R35 has Seiko branding and is only available in Seiko watches while the NH35 has no branding and is sold to microbrands. However both movements are manufactured by Seiko.
Y que me puedes contar del 4r39 que diferencia hay con los suizos en esaxtitud
Seiko 35a on my wrist now . 9 seconds a day slow. $150.00 watch. Deep blue rules.
SW200/ETA2824 winds like sandpaper. NH35 isn’t as accurate but at a fraction of the price, from a utilitarian POV, it’s the more sensible movement
Don't get me wrong. I still love NH35. It's a miracle of a movement. I sometimes still wonder how it's possible to make a reliable af movement at that ridiculous price.
@@DIYWatchClub The reason Seiko can produce cheap reliable movements is simply because they sell their movements for the right price while ETA and Sellita are outrageously overpriced.
The NH35 at around 50 usd why would you bother having a watchmaker service it just replace the thing and be done with it.
Not a fair comparison. You should have compared the Sellita to the Miyota 9015 Japanese movement. Those are made to compete with each other and the Miyota is just as good if not better than Sellita. There is no reason the Sellita should cost more.
0:57 Except, you can see if the date wheel is engaged or not. Not that hard
I love seiko and citizen watches.
I will easily prefer Miyota 9015 over this poor copy of ETA2824, called Sellita SW200. I encountered such problems in Sellita, like some parts prematurely wear-down, and the same parts in ETA never had any problem.
NH35 made to work SW200 made to show
Excellent comparison. I want to move into doing some Sellita builds.
We have some Sellita kits coming up!
It's in fact out now! shop.diywatch.club/collections/diy-swiss-watch-kit?fbclid=IwAR13Zj0-mQCE3jHdV1W_Cihi1QlSoqz5YZ9UndfGppQhwfvPWHgs8zIRrHY
Thank you! I will check it out.@@DIYWatchClub
Swiss movements are more expensive because the Swiss think that they're more expensive and if the Japanese beat them at anything they'll just change the rules again.
Almost all the problems you listed are because of budget constraints.
No matter how you put it, given they are all super old movements and their costs have been amortized, the price difference makes no sense and it's only due to the "prestige" of one of the two being Swiss Made. Swiss stuff is usually not worth any single of your pennies, the only watches more or less priced as they should are the basic Swatch watches.
I still prefer japanese movement as for accuracy, reliable, durable & affordable!Servicing at a affordable price range compare to swiss movement! I own a Swiss Army Victorinox Maverick Blue Automatic Model: 241706, and as for the hand winding part, it's troublesome to wind it back & fourth as to be careful for over winding! As for Japanese movement, I can wind it easily & smoothly till now! And no servicing for over 5yrs & still working as good so far! IMO!