How Ferrari Got Better without Cheating
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- čas přidán 24. 05. 2021
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In the 2020 Formula 1 season, Ferrari finished 6th out of 10 in the constructor’s championship, their worst performance in 40 years. According to their own test driver they had the worst engine on the grid. That’s in part because in 2019 they “bent the rules” or as some would call it “cheated”. Unfortunately the FIA struck a confidential deal with Ferrari so no one really knows how they cheated. Well today on B2B, we are gonna break down the science of this scuderia scandal, and look at how Ferrari re-engineered their engine in 2021 to get back to not sucking.
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::Haas and Williams mechanics frantically taking notes during this video::
*engineers
Both those teams dpnt have the money and have been waiting for new regs
@@wildanh7806 My apologies king nerd t'was just a simple joke. I'll see myself out.
@@pympton my apologies for ruining your joke
@@pympton don't say that. It's a good joke.
ferrari: *works on gearbox*
gearbox in monaco: nah m8, that ain't my style
"you know I'm not really feeling it"
It was the driveshaft that failed
@@nopomegranates1876 idrc. Car didn’t go vroom
🤣
"NO NO no nooo... de geabox.." -Leclerc
Robotic voice: "Did not start"
Leclerc: 💔
Sharles Leglerg deserved a win :/
And Carlos finished 2nd 🤯
I wanna invest too, how do I get to Mr Allen .? I'm not on what's app.
Wtf are all these spam messages from bots
Remember that time pretty much all teams got caught literally "sniffing" start lights radio signal so they could do a perfect start launch? It was hilarious seeing more than half of the grid doing a false start with red lights still on XD
that was fucking genius lol
Got any link where I can see that??
@@sinuslebastian6366 look for "F1 Nurburgring 1999 - Start Light Incident
"
@@MasterControl90original thanks buddy!
@@ArgueWithTheMajority been following Driver61 for quite a while now. That guy is amazing! Will check out that particular video. Thanks for the tip!
"...It's like the FBI hiring a hacker except the hacker is a billion dollar luxury car company..."
B2B, May 2021
Yeah, except the FBI don't really do that. Hollywood lies. ACAB. e.g. Kevin Mitnick was held without trial for over four years. I haven't seen my own son since 2012. The FBI may compel hackers to do things for them, but they aren't hired, they're treated like prisoners of war. Ironic, since I've helped patch code used by everyone online billions of times an hour but am still treated like a piece of it.sh.
@@grey5626 that sucks you deserve better
@@grey5626 You've definitely got me interested, care to share more of your story?
@@grey5626 What about Frank Abagnale?
Thank you for commenting something that was said in the video
Say the line, James
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Ferrari: *Founds a loophole to trick the regulations*
Redbull: "I'm gonna do what's called a pro gamer move"
Horner is such a karen
@@KomboAndy imo it’s a big part of racing, pushing the lines but also balancing it that you’re not caught by your competition, same thing that is happening with red bulls flexi wing
I still cannot understand how he found out that Ferrari was cheating 😂
Horner has some spies and that is for sure
@@TheCalzo77 I would have done the same in his position even though it's a bit ridiculous by now.
@@KomboAndy if you win the confrontation you're not a karen.
"Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines." - Enzo Ferrari
This sentence kinda feel like poking McLaren supercars in some way 🤣😅
Ferrair secretly kinda american
He was wrong, of course. He also managed to piss off guys like Henry Ford II, Carrol Shelby, and Ferrucio Lamborghini. How'd that work out for ya, Enzo? 🤣
Ettore Bugatti, pooh poohing brakes, said, "I build my cars to go, not stop". He too, was wrong.
@@donellmuniz590 let’s not forget that Lamborghini in supercars was born because an insult from Enzo to Ferrucio 🤣
“Pool Positions”? Well, I assume during the Monaco race, you can say this is also correct…
Nobody wants to start in the pool. Well, I do, but nobody that's racing wants to start in the pool. 😂
@@ScottOrd Backstroke ;p
Lol pool
@@isaacmerwin4286 I hadn't thought of that one - could make for a spectacular start! 🤣
aND THERE WERE GEARBOX PROBLEMS IN mONACO.
I would love to see a race full of cheaters, reach the peak of racing and performance
So you like hate the wheel to wheel stuff?
Old nascar
That's basically what Group B was
Thats exactly what group b rally was lol
then watch top fuel drag. Basically no rules or restrictions, just cars goin fast.
@2:25 Danny Ric is the only driver that ever got a Pool position, rest only have pole positions and Kimi once had a yacht position.
Underrated
Isn't "Pole"?
@@luichinplaystation610 in the video instead of writing Pole positione, he wrote pool position. In his comment he said that the only one who did a "pool" position is Ricciardo when he dive in the Monaco pool after a race.
I hope the grammar was good, im not English 🙂
@@sergio.meloni Ricciardo went to play ball 8 or swimming? HAHAAAHAHA
Is like Kimi and the yacht
I read it better after and yes I'm just repeating
If anybody is interested, I can explain how the other teams knew they were cheating.
The teams have access to some data from the other teams. This either includes the rate of acceleration or at least enough data to calculate the rate of acceleration.
If you know the rate of acceleration you can use it to calculate the amount of energy required to accelerate at that rate for any given vehicle.
You can then calculate how much fuel is required in order to provide that much energy.
When the teams ran those calculations they realised that Ferrari was somehow using more energy than the regulations allow.
That's clever
"In the T H I R D round this season Ferrari will place S E C O N D and D I D N O T S T A R T"
Fifth
I feel bad for leclerc
Nah but they actually got the third race correct which is interesting
"Aerodynamics are for people who can’t build engines.” - Enzo Ferrari
2021: redesigns gearbox to allow for better Aerodynamics
that bit actually scared me a little until I realized they edited it recently lol
Massaging the rules in F1 has ALWAYS been the name of the game. I love it when teams find the absolute bleeding edge of tech that isn't covered in F1 rules and exploit them... Like Merc's DAS system in the 2020 season or Niki Lauda in Gordon Murray's fan car in 1978
Mercedes was allowed to use DAS for whole 2020 season but now the complain about the rear wing flex of the RBs, and the FIA will make them pass a strict test again when they already passed the first one and the car is completely legal... as always FIA favoring Mercedes
Yeah, I feel like motorsports is the only sport that accepts cheating. I'm a big Nascar fan, and mechanical rules cheating in that is considered almost heroic, a legitimate way to win. The exception to this is that motorsports fans hate when one team cheats and in doing so dominates the sport. For example, lots of people still hate Schumacher era Ferrari and always will, because motorsports isn't much fun when only one team wins. Good sports have someone new winning as much as possible. Since 2000, no team has one the World Series 2 times in a row. The Superbowl has never been won more then twice in a row. It's why people hate Mercedes right now. It's why lots of people really want Redbull to win this year. Because when one team wins the top spot every year for year in and year out, the sport as a whole becomes less interesting.
@@lozy497 Read the rules please... The DAS was a legitimate loophole, there was nothing in the rulebook prohibiting it. Furthermore, Mercedes cleared it with the FIA before the beginning of the season. Flexible (moveable) aero has been banned for years now, Red Bull just found a way to make the wing flex in a way that complied with the tests that check wing flex. It's very similar to what Ferrari did with the fuel flow sensor in 2019
@@miguelangeloeiramartins6241 The RB rear wing passed the weight tests...
@@CharlesFreck
Hopefully the budget changes will be enough of a negative feedback loop to give other teams time to catch up, instead of the current "rich get richer" theme we've got going.
We need more of Jeremiah and breaking down F1. This is perfect
As my Navy Chief says, "If you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin"
Awesome explanation! Thanks Donut.
How does the military cheat, when they make the rules?🤔
@@donellmuniz590 ha ha! Such a good question!! 👏👏👏
@@donellmuniz590 By spying on your enemies
@@howardman3926 All's fair in love and war. Just don't get caught.
@@donellmuniz590 Didn't say it wasn't fair just that it was kinda like cheating 😉
Uncle Jerry’s videos got me starting to watch F1 for the first time in my life. This stuff is pretty exciting and I have been missing out on it!
Right?? I love it now. Even have a favorite driver
who is it? is it mah boi Max
F1 is the shit!
@@shottyjonny3972 who’s it?
Welcome
I guess Chain Bear was feeling lonely :P
They beat him to the punch.
Donut went straight at Ferrari, didn't ask the fans.
I'm looking forward to the Chain Bear video
Ferrari: (finds a trick to trick the sensor)
Fia:Nooooo you can't do that
Redbull: (finds a trick to have bendy wings yet pass the tests)
Fia: nooooo you can't do that
Mercedes: (creates a trick suspension)
Fia: okay guys you can keep it for a year 😍
You don’t really get the technical regulations do you. Ferrari: cheating sensor, illegal system. Red Bull: cheating sensor, illegal system. Mercedes: DAS, unspecified in the rules, Grey area. These new rules are specifically designed to slow Mercedes down. If you want corruption, look at Ferrari’s ‘special’ relationship with the FIA throughout F1 history. I’ll give u a taste: They have a veto. No other team has one. Ferrari has one because they’re Ferrari.
@@snowtrooper8817 I view this situation from an intent perspective. Fia didn't intend to have a dual axis steering when they wrote the rules yet mercedes got one and they were given permission. Similarly, fia didn't intend to have ferrari and redbull come up with shady ideas and I would agree that ferraris idea was the "darkest" grey out of all, but nevertheless fia immediately took action against rb and ferrari. I believe they should have taken the same stance against all three teams if they are determined to kill innovation and "grey" ideas. It is not that ferrari and rb introduced cars with 6 wheels and two engines or smth
@@mali5469 but it’s how you play the game. Say what you want about the FIA but they have rules. RBR and Ferrari cheated a test to do something blatantly illegal. That’s dodgy. When you exploit a grey area it’s something that is technically legal. Tricking tests is not innovating it’s cheating. Grey areas are innovative. E.G: Brawn: Double diffuser, RBR: Blown diffuser, McLaren: F-Duct. These are grey area innovations. Not cheating tests.
@@mali5469 i realy dont understand you Mercedes haters just because they won championship for 4 years and now RB leads. Ferrari and Red Bull simply cheated in tests to get their car to be better and Mercedes invented something and didnt cheat it/didnt hide it, they communicated openly. Cheating and being innovative isnt the same. If you dont get it, and thats why hate Mercedes for protesting against those things ure all simply stupid. RB and Ferrari Mercedes and every fuckin Team plays the Regulations out if its to their advantage- Welcome to competetive sport!
Amazing. Clear explanations of very complex principles; Entertaining and a window into how complex F1 is and how briliant the team engineers need to be in order to be competitive. Well Done Jeremiah !!
"all this facilities and you make shit like this"- Sainz
Lol, wasn't that the late Niki Lauda?
That was Niki Lauda lmao
@@BGRUBBIN it was
@Mateo S watch rush. Then you will understand the joke.
Do we have a link for this or a video? Thanks!
6:43 "Doing what Redbull does best"
OMG im rolling 🤣
There's been 5 races and my boy Sainz took a podium, taking Ferrari to 3rd in the Constructor's.
Mclaren is 3rd. Sainz still the homie.
Now McLaren is third lol
@@Kareem_Benjamn. now ferrari is third lol
How have I only just discovered this channel?? One of the most informative vids I've seen on CZcams, taking a highly complex situation and laying it out in such a way as to be easily understandable and engaging to those of us without motorsport engineering qualifications. Thank you!
I’ll be honest the cheating in F1 adds to the sport. 😅
people call it cheating, but finding loopholes in the rules is what makes the sport competitive... the F1 management on the other hand, does everything that it can to ban stuff like this in order to gain competitiveness, and miserably fails and creates the opposite effect
@@fidan2fast finding loopholes makes the sport more competitive? If Ferrari were allowed to exploit that loop hole won't others start to do the same and won't everything be back to square one?
even cheating in F1 is high tech and precise
cheating is part of the charm
Car racing has always been about finding loopholes which is technically cheating legally.
Ford beat Ferrari by making removable brakes in Le Monte
So excited for the iconic Mclaren vs Ferrari fight for 3rd this year
This feels incredible after their p3 in constructors in 2021. Forza Ferrari.
A lot of credit for that has to go to Carlos Sainz. He adapted to the car far faster than any other driver with a new team and made sure Ferrari was competitive in the best-of-the-rest race this season. Look at how long it took Ricciardo to get up to speed with McLaren for comparison.
ferrari sucks
@@Christopher_TG Carlos Sainz adapting to the car
Sounds funny in 2022
They will finish P3 in the constructors with the fastest car this year as well.
These videos are so good and interesting. It's crazy how smart F1 engineers are. Even more than one can imagine
10/10 would watch a donut cartoon if it had the animation from the adds
Would be amazing!
No one really knows how they cheated, so we are going to explain in detail how they cheated.
Because technically there is zero proof they did this, but they just so happened to become slower when extra sensors were added to prevent teams potentially doing this
Tbh this channel has gone down the toilet
Essentially they exploited a loop hole that gave them an edge, some people didn't like that and even prevented them from even upgrading the engines in 2020, no shit they weren't competitive. Imagine finishing a season thinking you're on the right path then being told, nah redesign your engine in less than 4 months oh and you won't be able to upgrade said engine 🤷🏽♂️
@@rod4eva they were able to develop the engine in 2020, the engine development cap was set for 2021
@@deeznoots6241 Ferrari couldn't as per the agreement. Nor could they do anything else because of Covid lockdown rules in Italy at the time
Wow man, I have been a passionate Formula1 (and especially Ferrari) fan for around 30 years, and never have I seen a video or heard any commentators knowing so much about the technical side of F1 as you my good man! It's amazing how deep your technical knowledge is!! Can't understand why I haven't seen this channel before! I'm seriously impressed and can't wait to see your next episode! Thx so much for all the time you must spend to make such an awesome channel. Bravo!👏👏👏
Should do a breakdown of all the cars and their qualities. I am extremely impressed you know what transducers and ultrasonics are and am even more surprised they use them in f1 cars. You guys a pretty stinkin smart.
The team has people like Jeremiah who has a Bachelors in Mechanical Engineering and a Masters in Biomedical Engineering. Makes sense
@@thelastdragonbender5824 didn’t know that. Makes sense.
Red Bull 2019: wait that's illegal! (to Ferrari)
Red Bull 2020: wait that's illegal! (to Mercedes and Tracing Point)
Mercedes 2021: wait that's illegal! (to Red Bull)
Im loving the increase of F1 content from donut
me 2
Yall doing an F1 video almost weekly now is just fantastic. Love this channel.
You guys make way better f1 videos than almost all f1 focused channels… That’s impressive.
Day 1 Asking for a up to date on donut's project cars!
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Join the underground it’s cool down here
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Ferrari: *spends tokens on gearbox*
Leclerc at Monaco: am I a joke to you?
Masterblan
Crazy work to put this vid up! Well done! Thanks!
I love this kind of in depth technical geekiness! Cheers Jeremiah!!!
I think Ferrari has a really good shot at 3rd in the championship this year, they've improved massively in comparison to last year. Also kind of nostalgic to see Ferrari and McLaren so competitive with eachother so thats a bonus!
F1 engineering is absolutely top tier and soo advanced.
facts: Most of the things that we use in normal cars today were first in F1 back in the 60s-80s. eg- ABS, Rear view mirrors etc
Every part in our todays cars was developed for military aviation. Like ABS, traction control (for landing gears), fly-by-wire (steer-by-wire), turbo chargers/superchargers, leightweight materials and structures, aerodynamics and heatflow management, electronic injection, ECUs, straps/seating... even fucking multi functional displays and HUDs...
@@Gentleman...Driver well they paid top dollar for those military hardware and it worked might as well put to use as a racing equipment right?
@@Gentleman...Driver War drives innovation
@@Frozander @AsHalt: Yes, of course. I just wanted to say that our technology in cars came mostly from military aviation. Formula 1 has little to no impact for the development of a street car, even if it is a Ferrari. :) The environments are too different. Its just an argument to justify the cost of motorsports within the company against criticizers.
@@Frozander Because it's when govs/corps will actually loosen purse strings for R&D.
Uncle Jerry coming in clutch with the F1 info. Love these informational videos on the engineering in the sport. Been an F1 since I was a little kid, and it only gets more interesting with more knowledge and understanding of the technical bits that happen in the background.
What an excellently made and well explained video 👍🏽. Missing the cockpit halo though 😜
Loving the F1 content! small typo in the graphic at 2:20, Ferrari have more 'pole' positions, not pool positions
Probably both ⛱
pool position is a monaco thing named after their famous corner "la piscine"
@@treshmiranda699 oh cool, great to learn something new! I know about the pool, but didnt know donut was making a joke about that while referencing ferraris total pole count. Thank you for correcting me
Pole position thanks to the exit of the pool.
I thought this had something to do with the Ray-Ban stickers
thought that too lol
Yea me too
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We need a B2B on different suspension types, like the video on different engine layouts!
That was so informative. Please make more of these
Its always so satisfying to already be here when CZcams sends the notification that a new donut vid is up
10:05 The MGU-K, does not recover kinetic energy front the front brakes. It recovers energy from a generator on the drivetrain. And then uses the generator as an electrical motor when deploying energy.
True, the video is showing it wrong.
I love that you explain things that are typically hard to understand in an easy to understand way! Love it!
Hence why my fascination with the technology behind F1 has DRASTICALLY increased
Very detailed 👍🏻
Love to see more detailed videos about f1 cars
I am a hardcore F1 fan, and i love these F1 videos Donut is making. Love ya'll. Here after Leclerc's disappointing Monaco GP.
Chronologically we are all here after that. You kinda can't be before, as this video has been released 20 minutes ago.
I LOVE this channel!!
Me too
Same. Way better then fitment x
Wow. Awesome knowledge that no one would ever know but interesting to hear. Love you guys.
Very tricky how they cheat the flow system, I finally understand what the do it!! And maybe more tricky how they use tokens like use the changes in gearbox to change a lot of aerodinamics body design!! Very good video and explanations! Something tell me that I will be a fan of channel! Take care, hugs and see ya! :)
This guy has improved I can actually enjoy watching a video of him good jog donut
I can only imagine the amount of work you put in to create this video. Bravo man❤️❤️
Love all ur videos posted, thank you for all u do
great timing bearing in mind their recent Moncao successes. Keep up the awesome work guys ly all
That magic ball bit at 15:07 had me literally loling - well done haha
Ferrari got a pole position in Monaco. That's a great improvement.
and then Baku, even. I don' think there is a doubt that they are much improved, but don't think the Power Unit is as good as Redbull Honda.
and now they came SO FRICKING CLOSE to winning in Silverstone
@@aumrajadnye8155 if they had just put the safety car out instead of the redflag, Ferrari would have won, as Hamilton would have been forced to pit and come out in last place.
@@aumrajadnye8155 Ferrari won that race, Rammilton should've gotten DSQ.
@@patrickbateman529 Rammilton fans: "nOT HamiLtOn's faULt, mAx diDn't giVE him sPaCe."
I work in the Non-Destructive Testing industry specializing in ultrasonic inspection. You explained this quite well
You have just been killing it with your recent videos on f1 and drag cars
6:41 the sniffing part got me 😂😂
Amazing Video! Ferrari has definitely made a comeback. It showed great potential in the recent Monaco GP, even though Leclerc got unlucky with the DNS.
very well explained ;) thank you!
Great video! Please keep up the F1 analysis vids!
I am loving this F1 content keep it coming
2:54 I lol'd hard! 😂 😂 😂
Nice cat 🐱
Gaming the rules and the way teams play this is my absolute favorite.
9:07 an estimated power loss that is the same as my tiny ford ka (almost, it was 68 when new, upgrade to an mx-5 planned in a few years)
Lovin' the F1 content, keep it up.
I've been home a lot lately so I've been binging a lot of F1 stuff, rewatching old races, etc, perfect timing for a F1 vid from Donut 👍🏎
Check out WTF101 if you haven’t already!
@@MrBrownLostHisM00 yep, that’s how I got into f1 it’s a great series
Where do u watch old races?
@@jerry-ic8id F1 TV, although during quarantine the f1 channel streamed them for free
@@jerry-ic8id you can get all of them on f1TV.com or you can find some select classics available on CZcams
Its really refreshing to see an American Channel answering the deep questions of Formula 1. Very impressive work Sir.
one of the best vids I have watched ... very informative, thanks
8:00
" It's like the FBI hiring a hacker except the hacker is a billion dollar luxury car company "
The Ferrari team since 2017 has been really good. It's just a pity for them they allocated their resources to the dark arts of car improvements. If this had gone into conventional designs, they would be right there at the front again this year, IMO.
All teams stretch the rules as much as they dare. It's only when it's too successful and other teams are unable to copy there's any protest. This affected Ferrari more than usual to have to give up though.
@@hejamodo All teams stretch the rules, it's breaking them that's the problem. It's a shame, because Ferrari as a 3 way addition to the current fight would have been a better spectacle.
Hopefully no team finds a loophole for next year, but I wouldn't put it past Mercedes. A nice even platform with Ferrari having mostly caught up, Mercedes already there and the re-badged Hondas, and Renault teams also joining the party.
Dude you need need to be on F1 teams strategy boards... Good video, finally I understood the finer points... Cheers
I do learn a lot from this videos. Thank you Donut Media team! They're educational as they're entertaining.
How many Daves have there been?! All the animated callbacks are great 😂
It’s awesome how u can learn so much by watching donut
Really enjoyed the complexity and thoroughness that this video explained about Ferrari's redesign and issues from 2020.
I don't really like the cut out edits used in the video and would like to see less of it on all donut content and especially less on B2B, which is my favourite Donut show
You guys make amazing content keep it up 🔥
Thanks for covering F1!
Love the F1 content.
An Extreme E episode would be really neat
Ocean X Prix this weekend 😁
agreed
No
Nobody really cares about that though
@@MrPrajitura speak for yourself
Awesome video. Love this sort of content! 💖
Great explinations!
Funny how Mercedes dominates f1 easily, nobody suspects of anything, seems legit
Ferrari does better, automatically suspect of cheating xD
There are reasons why Merc is dominating (sadly). They got a head start. FIA and F1 came up with the plans and the regs for the V6 Hybrid with Mercedes. So they were few years ahead of the game compared to the rest of the field. Ferrari on the other hand, got caught and kinda admitted to it behind closed doors. Hopefully the Merc dominance will end next year with the rule changes.
They cheat their tits out too (Ahead like two years on hybrid PU, illegal oil burner, illegal tyre tests, illegal PU that party mode bullshit). They even bottered making the DAS lmao.
Ferrari cheats, and sometimes quite flagrantly.
@@noneyabizz8337 Mercedes too, its only because ferrari's "cheats" got recognised.
Damn that music at 0:40 gets me every time. So in love with it
excellent analysis - appreciated
Really insightful video. Thanks :)
*Team makes innovation so the car run faster*
FIA : wait that's illegal
How is bypassing a sensor to do something that is explicitly illigal an innovation? Its not clever, its just sad that they had to resort to this to have a chance.
using the same amount to fuel to beat others would be innovation. This is desperation. Pathetic.
Chain Bear just offered up making the same video, great CZcams channels think alike!
You guys should do a video explaining subarus different lights like bug eye etc.
Love the f1 vids! Keep em coming
god i love when you guys do f1 content!
“Constant contact Jeremiah”
Looks like a zombie mister pickles charters
Nice! Love the f1 content, keep it up!
You should do an episode on the 1000 km race in Palanga and Gatebil!