Hockenheim Old Layout Onboard 1979/89
Vložit
- čas přidán 19. 07. 2024
- One lap onboard in the old Hockenheim F1 circuit in 1979 AND 1989 before it was destroyed - this circuit was permanently changed in 2001.
More F1 classic tracks onboard videos: czcams.com/users/playlist?list...
#F1
#GermanGP
#Ferrari
www.ourafilmes.com
www.drsb.net
www.sbrecs.net
/ ourafilmes
/ dr.speakerblower
/ sbrecs - Sport
I travelled from the UK to Hockenheim for the GP in 1978, loved the place.
The original was a true high speed challenge!
I loved the old Hockenheim - the cars with tiny wings, long gears, going 350 kmph for long stretches - it was unique, and spectacular to watch
Couldn't agree more!
Bunch of chicanes, long long straights, a lovely stadium section.. miss the old layout dearly
It was a great challenge!
I'm a german fan and live near Hockenheim since 1963. I saw the changing the circle. When the great curves through the forest had been closed, it was like a cut in our hearts. Since then, Hockenheim had never been the same for us.
You are very lucky, at the same time, I am sorry for your loss. Cheers from Portugal!
Having watched Formula One in the 1990s, I LOVED seeing the cars shoot through the VERY long straights in the forest. Nothing else like it existed in the entire sport. It also saw some of my favorite moments: Nigel Mansell's win in 1992 and Gerhard Berger's win in 1997. I believe Berger won twice here. He is definitely one of Austria's greatest drivers behind Niki Lauda and Jochen Rindt.
I liked the old layout.
Me too. High speed races! Unfortunately, it´s gone...
I dont liked it
I like it and still Love it
I learnt a lot here. I always thought Hockenheim originated in the '60s. Never realised it had a road racing heritage prior to that. Interesting to see how the ring developed
Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers from Portugal!
I loved watching this version of Hockenheim. You could really see how fast the cars were going. There were overtaking opportunities. Cars used to be set up aerodynamically for the fast straights but found the stadium section tricky . Even as a Brit I loved it when the stadium was packed with German Michael Schumacher fans cheering on their hero. New layout is a bit micky mouse and soul-less and not having the Clark chicane kept as part of the redesign seemed a slap in the face of history and a motoring legend.
100% agree with your words!
F1 needs more exciting tracks. More speed more on the edge excitement. Everything feels like it’s turning into formula E with smaller tighter trackers with more slow corners and more acceleration.
Agreed!
Come and watch indycar buddy
@@motorsportfan1246 I’ve been enjoying it more than F1 recently
Hockenheim Old Layout Onboard
Wonderful my dear friend!
Thank you! Cheers from Portugal!
Those old F1 titles are the best, so simple.
Thanks. Cheers!
Thank you for this mini documentary.
Cheers from Portugal!
Brilliant, nicely put together and the on-board rides were fantastic, thanks.
Thanks! Cheers from Portugal!
They've cut down more trees than they have planted🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
LOL. Good one!
@@ourafilmes it’s true!!!!!
untrue. I filed an e-mail to Mr. Tesseraux from the Hockenheimring about it after the 2002 re-design. He showed me an exact count of cut and newly planted trees, and the latter were the majority.
@@TheColinChapmanbro, why
I still remember the slip stream battles in the old track. 3 positions to overtake in every turn!
Yes!
This was a real treat to come across. Thank you so much for keeping the memory alive.
I am glad to help in some way. Cheers from Portugal!
Hold on. The circuit of the year 2000 will not be missed by the fans? Hold on just one minute, I have never heard such nonesence I miss the "engine breaker". I cried a river when the new curcuit got built.
Other than that thank you for the video. You did well in telling the history and especially onboard videos.
Good point although I also mentioned the "rage". Cheers from Portugal!
7:05 love that bit, i keep watching it
It´s so tight!
This track was not loved by the drivers but was a fan favourite. It was the fastest track on the calendar for almost 40 years, only surpassed by Baku. The approach to the Clark chicane was a unique feature of those days. It was here that a Formula 1 car first beat the 100 m/s mark. Those folks that played the first Formula 1 computer games of the 80s and 90s know well how spectacular it was.
The new layout has no place in Formula 1. If a German Grand Prix ever returns the Nurburgring Sudschliefe remains the most interesting option.
I agree with you!
Many congrats! Excellent content!
Thank you very much!
On the new layout , the section between the hairpin and the stadium looks so artificial. That section better be a straight line!
Agreed but they destroyed the original so... whatever...
I love your videos, great work👍
Thank you very much!
amazing video! i would love to see this for other tracks that have changed quite a lot, like silverstone
Hi there. Thanks. I am thinking of it for a while but it is very difficult to find an onboard of the original layout - before 1974... But I will do it! Cheers!
Thanks for this! :)
Thanks for watching!
bravo, great video!
Many thanks!
this is a fantastic video and well done my friend :)
Thanks for your nice words! Cheers!
Thank you very much! Love this! Can you do more circuits?
Cheers! More to come! You have more here - czcams.com/video/-P-I6SzMmlo/video.html
Excellent, thanks!
Thanks. Cheers!
Thank you so much for all the information,!! Really learned a lot about this historic place!! Shame they changed it then destroyed it.
Yes, that´s what we have left... Thanks for watching! Cheers!
I remember when they moved the German GP from the Nurburgring and everyone complained.
Nice one!
I know they were concerned with trees and such but I wish they kept the old part of the track and still added the new part. Variety is the best and it sucks to see old things go and only be a memory.
They should have kept an integral part of history. Now we have a bad race track and no historical track anymore - just my opinion.
really enjoy your videos brother, especially the interlagos one. Can i ask why did they even change the layout of hocken heim in the first place? love from australia!
Cheers mate! New Interlagos video soon! They changed due to crashes/deaths but in 2001 nobody saw the overtakes that happened all in the forest area - spectators did not see that. Also a guy run across the track showing poor security so they were forced to do it by the FIA. Again, cheers!
@@ourafilmes Sry, load of BS. The owners wanted more money, the FIA had nothing to do with it, simple as that. The old track always made a tiny profit - the crap from Tilke gave them nuts. Old money grubbing farts destroyed classic Hockenheim, not the FIA, not Ecclestone. I am German, i know what kind of shit was going on back then. There was no reason to build a new track. Cheers.
Hi. I just saw this. I just answered with the information I have. I don´t have any insights. But it makes sense! Cheers!
Well done.
Thanks. Cheers from Portugal!
Parabéns. Excelente informativo como sempre.
Obrigado Nikola!
The 89 ostcurve chicane layout is my favourite
Mate, that was a crazy chicane!!!!
My favorite, and just so you know, I love fast tracks, the pre-chicaine ostcurve was my favorite. I'm so sad they destroyed the forest.
As a kid I was a hudge fan of Piquet. Im remember that scene with Salazar, I was so furiuos, was there at the race the year after. Hockenheim was great.
Until Senna came to the scene, I was also a Piquet fan! Cheers!
The fake audio on the Mass onboard is probably the best fake audio I've ever heard in that kind of footage 💪
If you think it was made in 1978 without digital help, it is truly amazing!
This track had a particular trait. It was pretty unique in regard to all the, rather annoying tracks we have today. A good car in Hockenheim could be bad at other places, and the contrary could also be the case. It gave different type of cars a chance to shine.
I remember that the Ferrari V12's where feared on this track. When everybody was going V10 and V8's, they had a clear advantage at Hockenheim.
True words, and in the turbo days, turbo cars were crazy in there!
That Arrows A2 that Mass was driving was a complete dog in 1979. the Cosworth DFV was canted forward at a funny angle to aid the flow through the venturi tunnels, it never really worked.
Yes but at least it was nice to look at! LOL! Can´t say the same for all bad cars!
why did they even change it? can`t be environmental reasons looking at how many trees they cut down for the new section. The old layout integrated itself so beautifully into the forest. I don`t understand how F1 say they push sustainability, but then replace beautiful natural racetracks with giant glorified parking lots with no grass or any greenery.
Money my friend...
Issues during the 2000 race (the one won by Rubens Barrichello, in that occasion parts of the pitlane flooded and in the race a disgruntled and drunk former employee of Mercedes invaded the track on the forest section to protest about his resignation.
This caused Bernie Ecclestone to blackmail circuit owners to make changes to improve safety off-track or he would move German GP to EuroSpeedway Lausitz (don't know if a rebranding of the Nurburgring race from European GP to German was also considered) or even cancel the German GP altogether and replace it by a race on Asia/Middle East (like the ones who debuted in following years like Bahrain, China or Turkey).
The options to Hockeinhein staff was or to bring down the entire perimeter around the (old) circuit, or to hire consulting services of Hermann Tilke who came with a solution who torn down a smaller area: the circuit they race until the present.
On the issue of not having preserved the old circuit, I think the pressure to not maintain it came more from Ecclestone that to any environmentalist group, basically because it have a precedent: in the reforms to Interlagos circuit (1989/1990), Ecclestone explicit forbade any layout who could have a oval variant, to prevent CART/IndyCar to race on the track too (monopoly? i think yes). Since the old circuit resemble an oval and CART was doing a series of excursions to Europe at that time (remember the race who Zanardi lost his legs? It was at EuroSpeedway Lausitz), so to prevent an even bigger schedule of races on the old continent he sabotaged any chance of the Champ Cars to race in a circuit like that.
I wonder if and how the grandstands were changed through the years. At the beginning of the 90s, the SF line itself was apparently not only widened, but shifted to the left. If you look at older track (e.g. see 6:25), the distance to the spectators is probably twice as large as later on (i guess at 1:49 it's a 1993 warm-up lap). But, maybe, the grandstands were rebuilt, too.
I don´t know about that...
Bem feito. Parabéns
Obrigado. Dê uma olhada no novo de Interlagos!
Tenho muita vontade de chorar vendo o que fizeram com esse templo do automobilismo.
Quase todos os grandes circuitos foram, de certa forma, destruídos! Este foi dos piores!
I like the new layout and the original layout but not the one on the onboard.
humm... There are two onboards. The track changed almost every year in the 90s. Chicanes were always changing.
❤❤❤
Thanks for watching!
They used the proper Ostkurve (sans chicane) in the world superbike races in the 90's
True. Great drivers in those years!
I really dislike the Ostkurve chicane, but I really miss the run into forrest..
How the high pitched engines would thunder out into the woods, sounding like disappearing jet planes..
Especially in Toca Racedriver the Ostkurve was dreadful
Old track was so much better!
Back again after about a year... watched the whole thing again. It's good..
And to add to the convo.
Yeah, that curve was one of those no fear and absolute confidence in equipment and skill. People like Mansell, Senna, Piquet, Arnoux, and many more.. they would probably go flat out after tapping the brake and going down a gear. A real make or break corner
Where did you get all the photos of the east curve, for example the crash
4 years ago? I don´t remember but maybe with google. Cheers!
Old Hockenheim didn't have chicanes. This is YOUR old Hockenheim, not mine.
Thanks for watching!
wow ! didn't know kimi raikkonen did narration/ narratives.lol
I did it much better in the old Interlagos onboard video!
unmistakable sound of Ferrari
Yes, you cannot beat a Ferrari V12!
No Germany on the calendar but we get Saudi Arabia and Miami. F1 is finished
True. Money talks!
From the engine sound, it looked like the 1979 car during this era was also using v6 engine, didn't it?
Ford V8
Cosworth DFV.
How many trees did they cut down to make the new track?
That is a very nice question.
what is the reasons the engines then could not last the long straights for long ?
Too much stress for too long!
Managed to kill a wonderful circuit.
Like many other tracks...
The old track was terrible. I've never understood the love of it, and it seems like most people just loved it after it was gone. I did enjoy seeing the cars in the low downforce setup, but we still get that at Monza.
Yes, indeed it was never loved while in the calendar.
People who dislike this layout probably love the vanilla Tilkedromes with their constant low-speed corners, excessive runoff and complete lack of creativity.
It wasn't appreciated till afterward because the new Hockenheim is complete rubbish
Everything is relative. It was criticised by some during it's time as there were simply so many great circuits on the calendar it had a lot to compete with. The fact that it is now so loved says more about how boring today's circuits are than it does about the old Hockenheim. I personally always loved it since becoming an F1 fan in the 80s. Something undeniable about F1 cars blasting flat out through forests
@@fly5155 No, they just listen to what the drivers said.
Hochenheim will be ever connected with the worse reasons, mainly theJim Clark´s dead during a F2 race! In those days the drivers were in various races and Championships! Clark drove F1,F2, Touring cars and Formula Indy ,at the same time! Other times, other drivers, and the competition were much more pureand loyal! Today in F1 for example, all the fans can preview with a almost "certitude" who will be the winner and the second, third, fourth and fiveth, knowing Lewis or Verstappen and Russell and Leclerc or Gasly , well more and less for sure!
Old racing was better but modern coverage is amazing. We can´t have it all...
Monza: I´m a Highspeed Track.
Old Hockenheim: Hold my Beer!
Old Hockenheim was just great!
Monza was faster in the pre chicane days.
In the 2000's they kjlled thosands of trees to make a repugnant new circuit
agreed!
The current track sucks
Yes but that´s what we got...
The modern version of Hockenheim is a sterile boring and a typical modern featureless piece of shit circuit
after watching this video, old Hockenheimring is way shittier than i thought, glad the they changed it in 2002
Thanks for watching.
I had the luck to drive my first formula ford 1800 race in october 2000 one of the last or even the last race in hockenheim on the old long track. Luckily i was 3rd in that race😀🥂 i have this fabulous track in best memories
What a nice comment mate! Lucky guy!