Custom Cut-Down Walch 10-Shot Pepperbox Revolver
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- The Walch revolver was a Civil War era design with the unique feature of having superimposed loads - each chamber in the cylinder held not one shot, but two, stacked one on top of the other. The revolver had two hammers and a progressive trigger, and 10 percussions caps (for the 5-chamber model). This led to a 10-shot revolver in the size of a typical 5-shot one. Of course, since the chambers were split between two powder charges, the muzzle velocity was relatively low in comparison to other revolvers of the period.
This Walch 10-shot .31 caliber example has been modified by someone into a pepperbox style of pistol, with the barrel completely removed. This makes it substantially more compact, but also amplifies the problem of low muzzle velocity, and without any rifled bore at all, I’m sure accuracy suffers as well. Not that this was intended for use at any significant distance, of course...
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"you wouldn't be carrying one of these today"
That sounds like a challenge
Well, because every modern pistol has greater capacity, with greater accuracy.
I carry one of these. Little cannons.
I like to carry my 1851 blackpowder revolver. Just cause I can
@@anzaca1 Really?
I wonder if the home gunsmith chose this particular gun as his project because he got it cheap with the broken hammer? Love hearing about quirky old projects like this 👍
"Thanks for tuning in." No Ian, thank YOU for churning out awesome content at an amazing pace. One of CZcams's hardest workers.
@@walkswithbear7935 7 months later.... i second that
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"Put the dremmel down and step away from the firearm!"
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You’ll never take me alive, or my two hundred dollars
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Walther P.22- "No one could be weaker than I!"
This thing- "Hold my beer."
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Great grandad bubba made that there gun
quincy8557 he was definitely not the first "bubba". Buddy of mine, family heirloom is a dueling pistol that the grip somehow broke off of, so great-great-great somebody or other the toolsmith forged a broken sword he had laying around into a new grip for the pistol, complete with full cover hand guard.
ive got a picture somewhere, hopefully not on my old dead hard drive.
That actually sounds cool. if it where done correctly that could be a beautiful piece.
It honestly makes me think of something my granddaddy would have done. But I'm from a long line of bubbas.
I would guess it was a recycled gun, someone got this with a beaten up barrel and hammer and got rid of the barrel and made a new hammer.
That's what I was thinking... Also helps cope with the sloppy indexing, since you no longer have to worry about the chamber lining-up with the forcing cone just right...
yeah whoever buys that gun might want to check and make sure the fire channels or whatever haven't been modified... it'd be real bad if you expected to be able to load two charges but the gun has been tweaked to always fire the rearmost one.
probably a gunsmith tinkering with little to do!!!
Oh man, these things. Proof that bad ideas are not a 21st-century innovation. Given how much trouble percussion revolvers occasionally have not accidentally firing the chamber _next_ to the one intended, I would be _really_ leery of one that purports to be able to fire only _half_ of the chamber intended. :)
Another classic Forgotten Weapons!!!! Keep up the great work Ian!!!
Maybe the reason they cut it down wasn't just because they could,maybe it was a junk gun that a guy that couldn't afford a new gun worked with on a budget,hence the barrel and original hammer being missing,cut it down to get rid of the busted up barrel and replaced the broken hammer.
It's certainly an intriguing piece.
Love the videos Ian! Only came across you recently, and I know absolute shit about guns. But super interesting in how you explain each piece. Keep up the good work!
Great video. Thanks for showing that "pepper box" to us.
It never struck me before but the Walch is totally the cooky Civil War era grandfather of the Metal Storm.
Anyway that gun might be meh from a shooting perspective but it looks neat.
Really cool unique piece
Bubba, bubba never changes.
What a cool piece
Thank Ian.
Question. have you covered the Navy cap and ball? or the blunderbuss yet. I know the one is kind of a specialty gun but I've always been interested in the grandfather of the shotgun
That's really cool
Walch should have been doing those themselves, they surely would have been much more popular.
Ian you knoweledge of history guns and ammo make you a national truesure in my book. Rock out with your Gock out IAN.
Ian, I watched one of your old videos a couple of weeks ago and it left me with one question. When are you going to release that glorious mane you have again?
Yes, please do a video about Mormon Avenging Angel pistols and the Mormon Doctrine of Blood Atonement! I was at the Crossroads of the West gun show at the Pima County fairground in Tucson last month and I saw a Mormon Avenger pistol for sale there, very cool!
That's a really neat gun. I would be tempted to make the piece that is responsible for timing to a little higher standard than the hammer and try it out some. What's your opinion on whether it is responsible to put wear on a civil war era percussion revolver?
Wow crazy concept. It's like an 17 century metal storm firearm.
I wonder if the barrel was also damaged/lost at the same time as the right hammer and if this was a 'repair job' to cut the whole thing down.
Either that or it got bubba'd
Dammit ED, of course I'd find this...
That's what's known as a "card table gun". Because that's where it's most likely to be used and its maximum range
With Walch, a plausible modification would be cutting off the barrel and then removing one of the hammers, making it a subcompact but still fullpower 5-shot pistol, due to the longer chamber.
ive actually been thinking about getting this as my first gun, since its blackpowder i can have it when im 18, and i dont need concealed carry outside of major cities to carry it, and can store it in my car wherever i go.
Different cartridge's good 👍 one for the Christmas holiday season and New year.thank
My best guess is some guy bought the thing back in the day and the gun must have been beat all to crap... so he was like what the heck im gonna hack the front of this thing off fix that hammer and see how neat it is to shoot.
that is just seriously cool and the effort for the time with the lack of machinery thats just way too cool, how do you find these
the trigger looks pretty cool
So awesome!!!😁✌🏼️
In the days when black powder guns were in common use, ANY gunshot wound, no matter how 'anemic', could prove fatal - even if it was months later, from infection.
I don't even want to be shot with a sling shot, much less a "weak" cartridge.
looks really interesting, neat concept with the 2 shot chambers but it scares the hell outa me if anything causes that first chamber to not fire the forward charge before the rear goes off...
wait so the pepperbox with a navy cylinder that dixie gun works has is actually accurate and not a made up thing? thats pretty neat
North American Arms Co. Is way older than I thought!
What kind of gun can I get for two bucks?
Well, I got some leftover parts for a Walch revolver?
Sold!
I appreciate the focus on a firearm that may not be worth a lot, but is interesting nonetheless.
You can see the metal picking up color near the buissness end from the metal having been heated. This has most certanly been shot
Historic Gunsmiting FTW! (No Typo)
Looks like a fallout 4 weapon
The battlefield people are getting rather annoying. "why didn't they put this gun in the game" Yeah, great comment that you can obviously see was already made 1000 times.
Ian, if you can ever get your hands on a Colt SAA Sheriff/Shopkeeper model, please do a video on it. Thanks.
Detective John Kimble :( you must like your car by the way, haha
part of me misses a time period where if you customize your gun like that, it would mostly be met with ooo's and praise rather then snobby gun purests telling you you've only butchered a gun to make cursed cringe. Try to appreciate the different/Unique and the brave souls willing to make it and risk their own fingers using it XD
Somehow I think in 150 years people will be having a similar discussion about a broken and glued-together Glock 26 with a 33 round magazine. At least today we have a plethora of magazines and articles written about today's gun culture and people in the future might be able to understand it.
Another thing was that gun ever prone to chain firing or did that not happen because of the way the fire tube was set up?
so sort of along the same lines as rocket ball ammunition with bullets and powder in front of one another?
Wonder if its possible that this is a gun which suffered a failure somewhere in the barrel (say, firing off two rounds but the first one gets stuck), giving the guy reason to try and salvage it in this manner.
Good to know Bubba's have always been around.
War… War never changes.
Certainly wasn't a safe queen. That was somebody's go to war gun.
I bet the forward hammer was the one that was replaced. I can picture someone trying to use full length of the longer cylinder only by cutting off the second hammer, then finding out he needed to cock the second hammer to fire the gun.
Could a similar revolver, with multiple shots per chamber, be attempted with modern caseless ammunition?
I'm sure it was just lighting and camera angle focus but that really looked like there were round balls in most of the chambers.
Ian, you managed to do this video without saying it was smithed by Bubba. Did Bubba as we know him today go by a different name in the 19th Century?
Anthony Browning Bubias
The cylinder has changed color from heat.. I want to know how many rounds have been pushed through that thing..
Pietta Pepperbox!
“Look at how they massacred my boy”
Ian do you just live in the auction houses lol you work fast
yep well said
that thing is cool in weird way lol
They say if you're this early, Ian will tell you a random gun fact
vid is up for 14 min & it already has 80 up vote :D
Where is the link to the original gun video?
Question: Why does the Walsh frame have a loading gate-like cutoff at the cylinder backplate? Is it simply to make it easier for loading the percussion caps?
Finwolven yep. That cutaway is what inspired the loading gate (most probably)
Exactly that, to give you room to access the nipples for, in particular, removing the caps, but also to fit them.
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do u think sum one took the other hammer off, to use it as a 5 shot with a greater power charge or can that not be done with that setup, no barrel, so not rifled either I suppose?
That's an interesting idea, but I think this pistol was far more expensive than a normal revolver would be, so I don't see why someone would choose to buy this and then take away the reason for the expense.
That said it would work loaded with just 5 and the left hammer only. I imagine it would vent gas out of the right nipple each shot, unless you plugged it, but it would function.
EDSKaR good point.
The gun was probably badly damaged (combat explosion?) The gunsmith took a look at everything that was blown apart and made this out of what he could fabricate himself. Heck, it could have been a farmer who did this and not a gunsmith, for many farmers knew how to fix their damaged agriculture equipment.
I don't generally leave comments but please please tell me more about my mouser HSC handed down to me
Kinda weird but it *presumably* works.
it was probably meant to be a belly gun, that is a contact piece!! that flash tube must have been a bitch to clean out!!!
if you take the other hammer off... could you possibly load 5bullets with more powder or how ever that worked... thats the first thing that came to my mind why it could have been lost... =D
This or a pistol grip pump for home defense?
Mid 19th century Saturday Night Special.
what if it was loaded with more powder and just fired 5 shots?
is there any australian made / designed weapon videos of yours
Yes, search for the Leader T2.
Didn't you do one on one of the Aussie STEN variants too?
You NEED 4K for your videos. :3c
Kinda cute gun.
No matter what time it is CCW is always be the same.
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lol 6 am were I'm at
Why do you always let the hammer fall slowly on guns? Are you worried about denting the metal or something? They're guns, I thought they would've been pretty strong..
Liamv4696 you always want to be careful with old guns, especially when you don't own them
On percussion guns like this one, you don't want to snap the hammers onto the nipples too much, as they can deform. When firing, the percussion cap acts as a bit of a cushion, but without that you can damage the gun.
Steel is strong until you go smacking the shit out of it with more steel.
that steel isn't as strong as todays!!! plus it will shock harden and become brittle!!! not to mention it can distort and dent!!!that's a problem with striker fired guns today if you drop the hammer on an empty chamber enough you'll harden the firing pin and it will eventually break!!!
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What would hapen if the front load fail to fire, but the back fire?
It would push out the front load, and there would be a lot of recoil. The powder from the front load would make a big fireball, and the shot would be probably about half velocity.
I think this is actually slightly more viable as a concept, potentially. You could solve the safety concerns by having a pinned sleeve in each barrel of the pepperbox, if front charge misfired but rear charge fired the sleeve would shear and fly out the front end. Technically.
Gangster Gun.
I bet in the Civil War even the kitchen sink saw use
Yeah I can see someone firing a week round down the barrel and getting it stuck in there and then firing another round in the other chamber right behind it and ruining their barrel and then deciding to cut it off and make this.
proto-bubba!
3:56 so ied imagine this would be used at almost punching range probably as a last resort kind of weapon.
I'm betting that this was originally a broken pistol that was fixed up but with a lack of parts
Ian, I'm sorry that my question doesn't have anything to do with this video, but I wasn't sure that you would see the question if I posted this on your latest Lee-Enfield video.
Anyway, in Medal of Honor: European Assault, one of the guns you can possibly use is a scoped Lee Enfield with a FIVE-round magazine. Now, I understand that it is only a game, but it seems like if someone were to know ONE THING about Lee Enfields, it would be that they were one of the few widely used bolt guns of the time to have ten-round magazines. So, is there fact behind this, or is it just typical "Hollywood doesn't care about gun realism"?
For further information, the gun is supposedly an Enfield No4 Mk1. The weird thing is that, even the guide mentions the gun had/has ten-round magazines; so could it be that, for ease of programming the game devs simply re-skinned a scoped K98 (also in the game) and hoped nobody would notice? I'm thinking that that last explanation is probably correct, but I am still curious whether there were guns with five-round magazines.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
1880s Lcp Max
this is clearly a parts gun that someone went "why the hell not" with lol.
i think it was made for some gambler or bar brawler for a very short range total overkill.
take it out your pocket and just shoot at a card table.
ten shots, five barrels???
Yep.
Forgotten Weapons but how does that work?
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Thanks, that was a good video
So that front one has like, 5mm of acceleration at most. I am not sure that is lethal, ha, at least not the front charge.