Richard Reeves: Of Boys and Men | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)
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Brooking Institution Fellow and author Richard Reeves joins Bill to discuss the struggles facing modern males and what can be done about it.
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"If responsible people don't address real problems in a straightforward way, irresponsible people are going to exploit them." 💥
Looks like to me that's what's happening now.
It's not that easy, when u f.e. were born in a narcissistic family. It's normal for the child. It takes yrs...to recognize what's going on. And the damage is done. And maybe u not gonna make it alive out of it.
I'm sure that sounds great to liberals who fear Republicans while it was liberal governors and mayors who sent police out to beeches to chase people off during Covid and buried skateparks in sand but the reality is this started long ago. The suffrage activists were in lockstep with the birth control activists who didn't want Italian and Irish immigrants from aiv g too many kids. They both wanted to massively disrupt the family system overall and emancipate women. They'd also go on to get prohibition passed. The results of all their actions are obvious.
We need more responsible men to come out and speak. And we should back them when they get attacked by companies and organizations who like shutting people
No one has a problem with men speaking up for men. I just want to know why Bill Maher and many others aren't showing the same concern for making certain male dominant places being more desirable places for women to join.
Does Bill care about getting more women into STEM?
Women started to excel over men in one area other than fashion, beauty, and motherhood so only now does he freak out.
I'm a woman and its really disgusting to me for the clasp of women doing good in education
yet pure silence as he describes how Men and boys are struggling. We need EACH OTHER! BOTH SEXES to thrive!
I guess hearing about how boys are struggling isn’t something to clap about.
why are you supposed to clap when he's talking about something sad? the right thing to do is keep silent, and that's what they've done. By the way I also found those clapping moments a little annoying tbh
What's disgusting is that Richard Reeves chalks the problem up to a "level playing field", when research shows there's a significant grading bias from teachers. If you give teachers an identical assignment, one with a female name and one with a male name, they will grade the male one 3 percentage points lower. That's the difference between a B- and C+. And I'm supposed to believe that with all the time Richard Reeves spent studying these issues, he never came across this data?
The left has just switched from hateful misandry to patronizing misandry.
@@Dennis-nc3vw Listen, even in tests which are graded with anonymity of identity of the students.. women did better like Pisa..
It is due to the fact that boys are being helped educationally but the it not only because bias... it's also because men are educationally getting behind women...If you still kept going on with the delusion of "ohh pfft wAhMen iS sTupid" and that "it's all because of bias" you'll never be truly able to help men if you don't recognise that men do mature much slower than women..a 11 year old girl has more impulse control than a 25 year old man....And that's a fact..
That just makes girls better at education..
@@Iamhere829 This isn't true, boys do better at standardized tests, ie tests that have be graded impartially because there's an answer key.
As a male highschool teacher I agree that PE is critical, and that boys don't get enough hands on classes where they can thrive and feel a real feel of accomplishment.
What about humiliation, embarrassment, rejection, alienation, and abject failure? Or do you think every boy excels at PE?
@@stephenryder1995 The only way to get better is by doing. Just because you or someone else didn’t thrive with more PE (being the exception to the rule) doesn’t mean the general rule isn’t true. Studies verify this.
Further, not every boy is good at every activity. You can also have masculine-focused poetry classes, where some boys will excel more than others. It’s easier to pretend that all poetry is equal - that also needs to stop. It’s best to allow boys (and girls) to explore and find their talents, not merely learn the “right way” to do things.
If security is more important to you than achievement or creativity, then we ought to continue with the soul-crushing garbage.
@@stephenryder1995 It's not about excelling in PE. It is about PE causing kids to excel in history.
@@theBear89451 Oh gee, thank you so much for pointing that out to me - after all, with my obvious cognitive dissonance such assistance is mandatory. Yes, you are entirely correct, and in my 40 years as an Ivy League history professor, my ursaline friend, I am therefore compelled to report the following: What absolute BULLSHIT. 'Fellowships' don't teach the difference between one's gluteus maximus and a hole-in-the wall, but they do paper that wall with lucre. In return they expect some publicizeable product to justify their existence. Hence the mandatory issuance of what is often nothing more than a literary confluence of random speculations puncuated by the occaisional unsupportable neo-factoid. This post-graduate survival technique is also known as Absurditas abundantia, and is never taken seriously by actual scholars.
I agree with Kevin Kent. Further, as a woman who had her (life-defining) ADHD diagnosed at AGE 47, I know that there are women like me who would've benefitted greatly by more physical, hands-on, and trade-related classes. I could take home-economics when I was in school, but they wouldn't let girls in wood shop or auto shop. Wood shop, I yearned for. Now I gather they don't even have those classes for anyone anymore. THAT'S insane.
I was that kid in school, couldn’t pay attention, couldn’t sit still. I got into a union apprenticeship rather than going to college and it probably saved my life.
which trade?
7 million working age men have dropped out entirely. So much of the system has been rigged against them for 50 years now. One of the things this country absolutely must do is start a robust apprenticeship program for millions of men. Beyond the hopelessness issue we have a major problem with young men not following their father's into jobs that actually make the world go round. Trades, train drivers, farmers etc. Those jobs are enot being filled. And then what?Our service economy is filled with office jobs that could disappear tomorrow and nobody would notice. It's part of the reason Russia survived sanctions. When you subtract the app maker jobs and other worthless shit, Russia's economy is actually larger than Germany's. They make things and pull resources out of the ground and that still powers life whether people like it or not.
Did you need two sentences to say, "I am man"?
And that definitely was the right thing for you - there should always be such a path for boys like you were. Glad for you!
And??
Dude, most of my female teachers paid almost no attention to boys and favored girls. I often felt mild hostility from them. Somehow, as a ten-year old, I was at fault for something.
Extreme feminists what is doing this shit to put it nice
Exactly Vitaly V,. It starts there and gets worse in life
Had a bitch English teacher like this in HS
Had the same experience
I noticed it from a very young age too. The boys were always getting in trouble and the girls were always being applauded for being so good
We lived next to a Japanese elementary/jr high school.. and every day, in shifts all day, they had all the kids over 9yrs old running around the perimeter of the school campus, uphill and downhill. 5 times around the block, and everybody was ready to sit down quietly in class. It looked like a very good solution to the problem of not being able to sit still in class. (Their sports teams ran 10-20 times around the block after classes finished, around 4pm.)
When I went through Army recruit course, the first thing we did each morning was go for a 30 minute run, then the rest of the day was spent doing the various learning modules; makes sense in retrospect.
I don't know if it's still the case but students also take an active role in keeping their schools clean. More physical activity and it seems like it would build character.
WWJD. What would a Japanese do should be our national motto. Japanese do everything with excellence and common sense.
Combining education of the body and mind was already a principle in Greek philosophy, it was called healthy mind in a healthy body. That's why German high schools to this day are called "gymnasiums". The Chinese do Tai Chi, the Hindus Yoga.
My son in elementary school about 10 years ago had great teachers. After each subject the teacher would put music on and the kids danced their hearts out! The class of 30 was about 2/3 male :)
He is speaking the true about how males are treated in school....my son elementary school treacher complained that he could not sit still or complete assignments....encouraged us to take him to his peds MD to be place on ADD meds... .my son peds MD said no to ADD meds and said your son is not being challenged at that school...he encouraged us to change school.. fast forward my son is a college grad and on his way to medical school
Congrats to your son! I’ve worked in nurseries and from the very beginning boys are far more likely to be kinaesthetic learners compared to girls, yet we still use a Victorian-style rigid classroom base teaching environment (ironically made for men) which doesn’t help boys at all.
I had the exact same problem.
I'm an MD 😁
This is very much my story as well.
I'm so glad my parents chose not to medicate me.
To add, my parents only chose not to medicate me because they couldn't afford it - not due to some insightful, better-knowing doctor.
Tried
I didn’t have a male teacher until I was in high school, and even then it was probably a ratio of 1 man for every 4 women that taught me. It concerned me because as a boy, the women teachers saw me as a burden more than a student, and I know I wasn't the only one treated that way
YEA!! I HAD 2 WOMEN TEACHERS THAT TAUGHT SCIENCE.tHE 1ST ONE SAID SAND CANT BEW BLOWN HIGHER THAN 3 FT.!! tHE 2ND BITCH AT tr HIGH SCHOOL NORTHERN WHEN I ASKED A QUESTION REFUSED TO ANSWER WHEN i DIDNBT I=UNDERSTAND,& IGNORED ME.
Too bad more men go for the money and not the caring professions.
“Women choose to go into lower paying professions.”
I think this is relevant to a conservative here.
@@wildfire9280 higher paying jobs generally have more physical risk
Horse manure.
Richard Reeves and Bill are on different wavelengths.
Yes, and Bill mansplains against his sex. Internalized misandry?
@@willmercury I disagree. I think Bill is tired of the coddling of american youth which I think he believes contributes to what Reeves' book is describing.
@@warsurplus The problem is that it's the _only_ thing he thinks contributes to it. Which is as bad as "systemic racism"/"systemic whatever." Univariate takes aren't any better when it comes men's issues. Richard seems to have better detail which we're not really getting into here, as Bill is fixating on his favorite hobbyhorse.
@@TagSpamCop I appreciate your points but why can't personal accountability ever be part of the solution alongside the "systematic whatever". I know not everyone has the same opportunities, but we're now at a point where the only cause is the "systematic whatever". Thanks the civil reply.
I hope society collapses. Why continue to sacrifice your well-being for a system (and people, women mainly) that hate you? Oh that's right because POOR WAHMEN. Nah, to any young man (or logical man reading this comment), don't be fooled by people like Richard Reeves. No one ACTUALLY cares about out issues, it's all about getting us back on the plantation (labor force/marriage) for the sake of WOMEN & SOCIETY. They need more logs to toss on to the pyre that is western society. Without is, things fall apart. Let them, this is the world that nurtured for so long. Let them reap their benefits lol. Let them figure it out on their own because I'm done being a slave.
Blessings from Taiwan 🇹🇼🧧🤗
Thank you, Richard Reeves, to point out this IMPORTANT ISSUE in the world, especially in the U.S.🧐
This is another REASON why I want to become a MALE TEACHER in the education field, especially in preschool and elementary, so I can HELP to RAISE these boys into MEN by building a GOOD FOUNDATION for them.💪🤩👍
Keep up your great work !👍👍👍
God bless you, your family, and your work 😇🧧🥰
The Education system from K thru 12 in America has been broken for decades.
Unions.
@@walterwhite5674 there are multiple faults from the amount of curriculums to the teachers seeking control. Personally I'm a big fan of big picture learning which has a big focus on personal interest projects.
Well it hasn't changed its material since kids were working in factories...
Women broke it. They break everything because its easier to bring others down than lift everyone up.
It never worked
One very bright Texas Phys-Ed teacher last year suggested they take the boys for a run before school to vent their ancy predispositions. Grades went up. Fights went down.
I liked him and what he had to say, hope to hear more from him in the future.
He has done a ton of good long form interviews on people’s podcasts: Andrew Yang’s podcast, Coleman Hughes’ podcast, breaking points, Reason Tv
His book is a good read too
I hope society collapses. Why continue to sacrifice your well-being for a system (and people, women mainly) that hate you? Oh that's right because POOR WAHMEN. Nah, to any young man (or logical man reading this comment), don't be fooled by people like Richard Reeves. No one ACTUALLY cares about out issues, it's all about getting us back on the plantation (labor force/marriage) for the sake of WOMEN & SOCIETY. They need more logs to toss on to the pyre that is western society. Without is, things fall apart. Let them, this is the world that nurtured for so long. Let them reap their benefits lol. Let them figure it out on their own because I'm done being a slave.
He attributes boys under performance in school to "girls are just better at school", even though studies show a severe grading bias against boys (ie teachers will grade identical assignments higher if they have female names). What are the odds he never came across that data doing all the research he did for this book?
"The Democrats are playing you for chumps." - Malcolm X
At my old high school, and most high schools in my city, the shop classes apparently disappeared a couple of decades ago. There used to be a full auto shop class, drafting, woodworking, electrical and sheet metal fabrication classes. That was the streaming location for the guys that didn't excel in the arts, literature or math fields. Nothing wrong with that, you have to give the young men what they may want to do with their lives. It's strange that they decided everyone must go to the higher levels of academia, even though a fair percentage would never pursue that direction. I had friends that went through the "shop" classes that turned out to have very interesting and lucrative careers. We are paying for it now with the high demand for the people that can do these skills.
I had a Norton Commando 'S' 750 CC in Candy apple red in 1971 - monster bike, but too often kicked back when you kick started it
@@stephenryder1995 Kick starting that son of a bitch was an art. Just getting the choke right took a few tries. Not a bike for a hasty getaway. Mine was a gold 72.
@@norton750commando Ahhh - back in the days when we were crazy, eh?
@@stephenryder1995 Far too long ago now. Haven't owned a bike since 78, when 3 friends in 2 years were seriously hurt riding through no fault of their own. Made me really think.
@@norton750commando My day job was Motor Officer - Big white FLH - A friend of mine in Motorcycle 1 (NYPD) was killed on his - in a sudden rain - I saw too many other guys maimed - gave it up after I dropped mine once, walked on a cane for 6 months - got away lucky....50 years ago now
School was a hellish experience of regularly getting the strap, suspensions and detention. I spent grade 5 at a desk in front of the principals office because they didn't know what to do with me. I went back to school when I was 24 and got a BA and a masters degree in subjects I was interested in.
This is a uniquely MALE thing?? Hardly. I was a female in trouble all the time in school. Arrested by the time I was 18 and doing drugs. Just stop with the victim mentality. What a bunch of whiny bitches. You have no idea what women go through-the sexist, vile shit we get put through growing up.
Raising the truth requires a risk. I'm grateful Reeves didn't hesitate. It's easy to see how the scales have tipped, especially in education. I agree with Reeves that there is no reason why issues that affect both males and females can be kept before us. Men can't identify a sense of purpose or belief in themselves in several areas. This should matter to all of us so we can sustain a thriving being of life.
"The Democrats are playing you for chumps." - Malcolm X
Richard Reeves chalks the underperformance of boys to a "level playing field" when studies show there's a grading bias against boys. Teachers will grade identical assignments 3% lower if they have a male name instead of a female one. That's the difference between a B+ and an A-. If find it VERY hard to believe Richard never came across this data studying this issue.
90% of Democrats don't care about boys and men, they want to commandeer these issues for selfish reasons, while doing as little to actually address societal misandry as possible.
We need more men talking about men and boys issues like Mr.Reeves. The suggestions to helping boys in schools is right on.
"bUt WhAt AbOuT wOmEn?!?! pAtRiArChY wInS aGaIn!!!!" Feminists literally insist you must frame the concerns of men and boys through Feminist/Patriarchy Theory, because "fEmInIsM CaReS AbOuT ThIs!!!"
They would insist that all of this is due to "pAtRiArChY hUrTs MeN tOo!!!" or that "tHiS Is tOxIc mAsCuLiNiTy rEaCtInG To fEmAlE SuCcEsS" or "bOyS ArE FiNaLlY GeTtInG A TaStE Of cOmInG In sEcOnD".
Men are currently accustomed to putting women and their concerns first, and those who don't do that are dismissed as sexist dude-bros. When the whining from women about men really started to take off, men started to opt out and just said, fine, we'll do our own thing. One of the first cases of "your terms are acceptable." That in itself became feminist catnip, that men leaving keeping their distance from women - as feminists had always wanted - was suddenly misogyny too.
We do, and it helps, but its the same arguments that Warren Farrell has been making for years and it always ends up hitting the buffers because its a pro-male policy, and it goes against the prevailing agenda of the day to promote pro-male policies. What we need alongside the male movement is a basic acknowledgement from the feminist movement that its actually in their interest to be implementing the suggestions described by Richard Reeves and Warren Farrell and others, instead of meeting a wall of resistance from the outset because it "doesn't send the right message".
I hope society collapses. Why continue to sacrifice your well-being for a system (and people, women mainly) that hate you? Oh that's right because POOR WAHMEN. Nah, to any young man (or logical man reading this comment), don't be fooled by people like Richard Reeves. No one ACTUALLY cares about out issues, it's all about getting us back on the plantation (labor force/marriage) for the sake of WOMEN & SOCIETY. They need more logs to toss on to the pyre that is western society. Without is, things fall apart. Let them, this is the world that nurtured for so long. Let them reap their benefits lol. Let them figure it out on their own because I'm done being a slave.
Please, I'd rather the left go back to openly hating boys and men than this condescending garbage. Richard Reeves says the problem is a level playing? What a crock of horseshit. Studies show teachers have a grading bias against boys, and will grade an identical assignment 3 points lower if it has a male name than a female name. That's the difference between a B and a B+. And I'm supposed to believe that with all the research Richard Reeves put into this book, he never came across these studies?
Why is the goal “college”? Let’s make it actual success. More than half of those in college made a bad decision by going.
He mentioned other options...
Not me. College was one of the best things to happen to me. All for success but college can and should be a huge stepping stone to that.
@@svscared College could be a stepping stone for more people if we'd give kids (and their parents) better transparency on the ROI before saddling them with enough student loan debt to pay for a luxury car. Very few people know what they want to be when they're 18 and for its price tag, academia does a poor job of helping kids sort that out.
@@scarpfish I'm all for getting rid of student loan debt which is why I support making college free via taxes like many other first world countries.
because that is the only organization allowed to matter
When I taught first grade I always noticed the boys in my class would be the most likely to be diagnosed with a learning disability because they learned differently.
You didn't learn this in your mandatory developmental psychology class? Maybe our higher education is the problem?
Listen to folks and observe them. Generalizations help, but inevitably we are individuals. 23 students max. per teacher.
@@rabbit251 I did learn this. It’s seeing it unfold in real time that was hard to cope with.
That's part of it, but don't ignore almost all diseases effect boys more than girls. Learning disability is a disease.
I developed dyslexia in puberty. This was in the mid-60’s. Back then, no one knew what that was and I was just pushed through the system. I went from being an A-B student to a C-D student. I became very depressed and suicidal but managed to pull my self out of that state of mind. However, dyslexia and the lack of knowledge on how we learn differently ruined my life. I was unable to go to college or get a decent paying job. Oh, and I’m a woman.
Right Right Right. ...thanks for this !
We had Ms. Smith in 6th Grade English. She was a gorgeous blonde in her early 20s who would sit on the front of her desk in short skirts while teaching. This was in 1971. She drove us all crazy. Unforgettable.
I’m sure you “paid attention”.
@@r8chlletters Hey, the education system says it itself, "it doesn't matter how you do it, I just want to see straight A+'s on your report card" :D
6th grade? Dude, Richard Reeves was right, that's early. There's a reason no society on Earth considered a boy a man at that age.
I went to a vocational high school for three years and learned everything about data processing and information systems at the cusp of the computer revolution and the dawn of the internet back in the late 80s. It prepared me to move into an occupation right out of high school. College would never have done that. Now, in my 50s, I'm working on my PhD because life experience has tempered the youthful rambunctiousness and energy I once had. When I was in my 20s I just wanted to get laid and party. It all worked out just the way it was supposed to.
Yeah, Dwayne - them ol' evil colleges - full'a commies an' perverts, right?
Maybe there would be more male teachers if all teachers were paid a reasonable salary.
03:10 why are they clapping...?
They're also needs to be some kind of study done on the differences between urban and rural priorities. I tend to think that educational priorities in rural schools follow urban priorities.
The biggest change that needs to happen in childhood education is to teach children how to think, not what to think. That begins with methodological naturalism and the scientific method. There are no other mechanisms ever invented by mankind that can better demonstrate the objective truths of reality and the natural world, better than the scientific method.
YES. Also if we need to utilize self-directed learning where we can. Things like letting them choose a problem to solve and then providing them the resources as needed. Learning works best when it is actively chosen, and information is WAY better absorbed if the goal comes before the solution. SPeaking mostly about STEM classes here.
In the case of a lot of math classes, they'll say "here's how you expand a polynomial" and "here's how you factor a polynomial". But then you don't use these things until way later. If you don't need the tool, there's no reason to keep it. If you start with a need before you get the tool, you know what tools to look for.
"If responsible people don't address real problems in a straight-forward way, irrisponsible people are going to exploit them" 👌
Can't physically put my thumbs high enough for this statement!! I remember when that one lunatic fringe dousche bag (i think it was hawley) talked about the problems of men, it really sent a nasty shiver down my spine.. there are a lot of us that feel left out of society, and feeling left out makes you especially vulnerable to be drawn into things that are orders of magnitude dumber than you are, just to feel useful, or needed, or feel like your existence matters.
Problem is, i think men still feel like we are measured by standards that come from a time when women were oppressed into obeying men. And if someone can solve THAT equation, with nobody getting hurt, they have my utmost respect 😬
Most men don't want to teach K-12 because of the paltry salary and unpaid hours. Also, most men would rather leave child education to women because they find it boring, and bothersome, and they believe women have a kinder disposition and ability to handle kids. At least that's the case in U.S.
However, boys do need more discipline at school than girls do, especially starting in the 7th grade when puberty starts to kick in. That lack of discipline in the classroom 7-12 leads to poor educational results, even negatively affecting those kids who were good to average students in elementary school.
I'm a male K-12 teacher, and I mostly agree with you, especially on why most men don't want to teach. I can't agree, however, with the concept that male teachers will inherently bring more discipline, which seems to be what you're implying. Perhaps I'm mistaken on what you were inferring there, but there is no REAL and beneficial discipline of any sort in U.S. schools, except for what is brought from home/already existing in the student. Having more male teachers won't change the students who really need discipline. That's akin to believing that your deadbolt is actually meant to keep out criminals/makes you safe.
@@aeristone5941 As a male 7-12 teacher I agree. But the lack of discipline in American schools is due to the administrators - the male teacher has no leeway - as you know. But I'll tell you this - there was iron discipline in my classroom because I didn't give a damn about the system. I was often in trouble with the Dean of Boys, but I told him he could fire me anytime he wanted to, but I will take no shit from any student. By the way, I was the most popular teacher in the school.
More discipline? Nice trolling.
@@stephenryder1995 Hahah yeah, I tried something similar, but it didn't pan out so well for me. It was 50-50 on "good days". More often than not though, it would just culminate in snotty parents coming in to complain that I was meaner to their "precious little angel" than the other kids...which of course would culminate in threats of me losing my job...like teach your precious angel shithead to not kick other kids, and I won't have to be so "mean" lol.
@@Ryan88881 LOL Touche'
I have to agree a lot on the reform of education in bringing back physical education, recess, tech schools, and more to get many into vocational apprenticeships as opposed to just telling them they need to go to college. Give kids a choice, as opposed to telling them that being a trades person is somehow being a loser.
Obviously, we also need to completely get rid of this standardized test BS that we do now. It's not helping the kids. You just can't standardize education. Everybody is different.
However, I still feel like while many parents might worry about their boys, they are still not taking the steps they need to take. If I hear things like "boys will be boys" then there is the problem. There's a reason why the fathers of yesteryear pushed their boys to learn responsibility, take care of themselves, and grow up to be independent. Yes, they pushed boys back then to get married and have kids, but it was still all about being the right definition of a man. Not the misogynistic spread the seed definition, but simply the hardworking responsible independent adult definition.
If boys are growing up, simply wanting to sit on porn sites, play video games, live in their parents basement, not go to school, not get a job, then you got to put some blame on the parents. Kick them out of the house. Yes, it might destroy their self-esteem, but you have to do something more than just coddling.
1:06 this is just as good on the rewatch. This is evocative of the maxim that evil triumphs when good men do nothing.
That is exactly my experience. Two successful daughters. Some friends with sons who are either living in the basement or on drugs or don’t want to study or work.
What incentive do young men have when you have te rrorist divorce judges who k idnap children . For profit and then make the fathers slav es to the government and mom while restricting access to their own children. Kids need EqualSharedParentingsite
The last minute of this video... :) Bill is just so funny while telling the truth
I'm a male and taught school for 35 years (retired in 2013). Even though I thoroughly enjoyed my years of teaching, I can say, with all honesty, I would not go into teaching today and would not recommend teaching as a career to any young man.
I hate how trades are looked at as a pathway for those of lesser intelligence.
Machinists, welders and electricians require far more math skills than the majority of university degrees.
Excellent book!
Very profound writing!
Thought provoking!
Magnificent writer!
Bill Maher and
Real Time awesomeness!
Sentence fragments!
Why are we shouting?!?!
@@xlDysenterylx
I am proverbially shouting for you to get your one way ticket to
St. Elsewhere forever!
Fake wannabe grammar corrector!
Don't be bitter, be better!
Good riddance!
@@xlDysenterylx I think it is a poem
He attributes boys under performance in school to "girls are just better at school", even though studies show a severe grading bias against boys (ie teachers will grade identical assignments higher if they have female names). What are the odds he never came across that data doing all the research he did for this book?
Democrats have just switched from hateful misandry to patronizing misandry.
@@Dennis-nc3vw
Instead of wasting your invaluable time, typing a CZcams diatribe or essay to me; you should enjoy the Christmas and New Years!
True though. 20 years ago schools had more PE, variety sports, and extra curriculars a like woodshop (my high school even had a mechanic shop) that engaged male students. Those things have all been cut from most modern schools.
Watch an afternoon of children’s tv and take note of how many commercials encourage girls vs how many encourage boys. Pay attention to how men are portrayed vs women in commercials. Lastly if you watch any movies for children, look at how boy and girl protagonists are portrayed.
I agree. This doesn’t get any attention, but it’s a huge factor. I recently tried to find a good male hero movie. I gave up. Star Wars is now a girl’s movie, James Bond is a feminized version of himself, and replaced by a woman. This has been done to every boy’s hero. And the trope is, she’s better at it without even trying. The men used to go through a transformational hero’s journey, the women are born superior, they don’t need to struggle (called the Mary Jane trope, it’s so common it has a name). The men are non sexual support characters at best, or buffoons. No wonder boys are demoralized and give up.
@@interestingtimes6242 I try not to let my kids watch too much of it. A particularly egregious example is the movie Brave. There is just no part of that movie that represents any truth at all. The men are all buffoons and/or genetic rejects and she wants to just ride horses and shoot her bow and arrow.
Hilarious and educational 👌
The older Bill and I both get, the more I agree with him. Sorry but that’s the way it is.
I was born in the’50s.
Men struggle because of social media and dating apps. Dating was years so much better before both. You actually met women face to face through people in your social circle
You can easily still meet women that way. And men who are willing to do that are at a huge advantage bc most guys are scared to
Attractive young women are only interested in competing for about 15% of the men. That leaves 85% of men vulnerable to everything from losing their job to their reputation or freedom if they flirt with a woman face to face. At least with dating apps, women cannot accuse men of harassment simply because they were romantically solicited.
The problem is in United States the social circles are completely living in a bubble and are so tight knit and closed. Also, you have to drink to be a part of any of these things. Overall, their attitude is so closed minded and narrow they don’t accept any people that are different from their mindsets.
@@dmr6390 You gotta ask yourself, why so many younger men are so afraid to meet women face to face, though.
Don't waste your time on western women
More of this
Consider reading Christina Hoff Sommers' book "The War Against Boys," which precedes this by 20 years but is even more relevant today.
They literally changed everything about education system to make it suit girls better and when girls got better grades they hid their hand and just said they were better all along. A study was done in which teachers marked math papers with male and female names - females got higher grades. Teachers now had to remark them without names on the papers - boys got higher grades. When they researched further they found that teachers were giving girls higher grades because of how neat their handwriting was or because they talked less in class.
Universities also discriminate against men by offering scholarships and exclusive programs to women simply because they're women.
Unfortunately you tube cut this short, in the podcast Richard Reeves talks further on educating his 3 sons on how to accept rejection when asking a woman out. Priceless info today
Re the comments on the lack of male teachers and the overall classroom experience. My understanding is that in the 1960’s, almost 70 percent of teachers were female and yet male students got educated etc.Kids are influenced by many things but first and foremost is their parents. Our parents are the first teachers in our lives. Our parents are the first and constant faces we see as children. The environment that we grow up with also plays a role in who we become. As always, I think it’s more complicated.
I agree! How did female teachers in the classroom suddenly become a problem? When Reeves said that, he lost all legitimacy.
I’ll agree to the point that determines it’s necessary to advance education just as well as everything in life changing and “upgrading “ with the times. Some facets are timeless but not every one.A balanced approach and careful evolution may provide a better result.
Let’s give all students the option to stand instead of always sitting. I was a girl in school and sitting all day was difficult for me as well.
👍👏😊❤️🇬🇧 Thanks!
The sort of crowd who will actively cheer for men to fail or lose. Truly wild.
I thought that was alarming too. And that’s exactly part of the issue at hand. Women have been benefitting from gentler upbringings and constant pats on the back for the past 2-3 decades. Boys have been getting tough love and no encouragement. Women’s success is applauded even when it’s at the expense of boys. This is an uphill battle.
Aww cry me a river for dummy boys
@@soundandfury6557 And they say the sexism is on the political right? Nope, to many of us it’s clear where it is with comments like yours. Keep hiding behind your computer screen👍🏼
Why are men becoming increasingly right-wing? It's such a mystery.
@@timmyj2366 😂😂😂😂
I hear you Bill, in Grade 3 I fell in Love with My Female teacher ... and I very quickly became teachers Pet!
Amen to more recess!
I've worked in school systems where all grades of elementary school were given 30 min/day of recess for lunch AND play and they only had PE once or twice a week! And then they wondered why the boys were acting up. 🤦♀️
This guy falls in line with the late great Ken Robinson, amazing educator and reformer. Kudos! Why is sitting still such a great life skill?
Ken Robinson. Didn't know he'd died (RIP) but he did come across as a refreshing yet pragmatic voice in his field. No wonder most people haven't heard of him :(
When you are corralling 35+ kids at a time it’s the only thing you can “teach”…be quiet, sit still, et al.
It's more the ability to focus on a task and be organised and disciplined when approaching learning in and after class. Girls seem to have a general advantage over boys in school, but as a girl I never found it easy nor pleasant to be forced through long, boring classes. We all need to be challenged and inspired, to perform well.
Nard dog started to cry when he said Cornell was terrible
it is a hard school with the highest suicide rate - the Gorge there is infamous for that
wow bill maher is a cool guy
Yet again, Bill is right.
Maher is never more out of touch and clueless than when he talks about parenting.
Remember he is not a parent....so his opinion about children is just that an opinion
Nonsense. This is always said by parents who want to feel special in what they do, when what you do has been done since humans have been existing. If you are a logical person, and have ever been a child you can understand parenting. Get this through your Skull.
CHILD BARING DOESN'T MAKE YOU SPECIAL!!!!!!!!! You are NOT more educated. You are NOT more understanding. You do NOT have some magical special insight.
Get Over Yourself.
It’s true. His “fuck the kids, they’re rude” is WAYYY off
I know quite a few parents that are clueless....
@@MjolnirsPower Nonsense. You are always wrong when you pretend to know about things you have no experience or insight in If you are a logical person -and clearly you are not - you would understand that "once being a child" gives you scant insight into "being a parent". Any parent reading your comment is having a good laugh at your expense. I would ask that you reflect and get a clue, but clearly your arrogance in things you know little to nothing about is down right Trumpian. So instead, I'll just laugh and make fun of any and every time you comment on things you are clueless on. Why don't you explain how to run a restaurant since you've eaten out before. Give me your expert view on the physics of an internal combustion engine since you've driven a car. I know you're not a doctor, but would you look at som X-Rays for me? I heard you had a physical checkup once 🤣
School system in Canada and the USA is the worst. They should learn from the countries that actually have a good education system.
I did VoTech..! Worked out well..
Bill Maher with his hot take of "just try harder."
Maher's constant criticism of younger generations is not only wildly off base, it's intellectually LAZY.
Then it turned into "just get harder" at the end lol
@@UToobin75 He picks strange battles. He hates muslims, trans people, and anybody with a BMI above 25
It is a complex issue, but one factor I think is an overemphasis of sports. My husband and I observed that with our nephews. They both thought they could be football players, put so much time and attention on that over their academics. Of course, they didn’t make it to the NFL. I mean, how many do?
Applause 👏
Haven't read the book, does it address the different ways girls and boys are taught to behave before they are old enough to be in school?
go on...how are they taught to behave? are you talking about adults projecting gender roles and bias or a cultural shift in what counts as manners? or another thought entirely?
The older I get the more I realize how innately different males and females are however point taken and yes in the nature/nurture schema parents can help children learn a host of skills that help them flourish in a structured school environment. This assumes the parents are aware and mindful individuals which they may not be. Preschool also helps.
“Thank you” 😂
Really glad this is hitting a program like this. I retired from the workforce at 39, for multiple reasons, but also partly because I was in an industry that didn’t seem to value critical thinking and problem solving. My intention was to help people directly instead of staying with engineering, which was a huge mistake. I suspect you’ll see more guys bailing out early. Is it an actual problem though? Time will tell…
We've accepted broken families, accepted absent fathers and just assumed boys will adjust. But where do they get their male guidance from? Not in education as most teachers are...female. Strong male role models give boys a sense of masculinity. As hard as women try, they can never model this effectively, even with all the pronouns we have flying around the place.
Long story short. I’m a teacher of 22 years. We were talking about this when I was a student teacher in the late 90s. Then you had to shut up about it.
Then I had a son. Knowing what he was about to experience I did the opposite of my progressive instincts and raised him old school. Lots of sports, coaches both male and female, lots of arts music and poetry, hunting, fishing, fires, chopping wood, told him to be strong, helped him over come challenges by making him face fear head on, boxing, jujitsu, play fighting, rough and tumble play, old school movies, cut down the video games, gun safety training. You name it, if it was old school we did it. My friends thought I was red pilled, alt right, and worthy of ridicule.
Can you guess the out come?
Here we go, males blaming women for their failures. Why don't you go out and fix the core of the problem and that is a lot of men for many decades have been "gone with the wind" and don't give a rat's ass about the children they spawn. Also, if there were more male teachers, by the same standard are you not concerned that girls would become more masculine?
I recall many years ago hearing Dr Phil say the most important parent to a child is the same sex parent. If he said that today…..he would probably get canceled. Very sad how we have torn down the family….the children are the ones that suffer.
@@magicmarker7047 a predictably emotive response from someone who hasn't read the comment properly. Go back to the beginning and start again.
@@joeyjojojuniorshabadoo8549 Oh, really! A predictable response from an overly sensitive male.
I believe the answer IS more physical activity intermingled with learning. This is something easier to facilitate in college...maybe gyms with bikes with book racks on them?
May I suggest “Iron John” by the late Robert Bly.
From my perspective, going through school, there are more outlets to burn off the energy so that I could focus.
My elementary school routine went like this:
Every day, we have a few classes, go to gym class. Have another class, then lunch with a built-in recess. Then we would have another class or two, followed by a recess followed by a final class and then go home. With that kind of outlet to burn off the energy, I wasn’t sitting in a classroom any more than two hours.
Today, my son has PE once a week for 45 minutes as opposed to every day.
I think part of this is we’ve gotten so test focused that we’ve taken away these outlets.
And frankly, this focus on testing is misplaced. The problems with our test scores compared to other countries wasn’t a problem in fairly affluent middle-class school systems. It’s the poor school systems that drag everybody else down. It’s not a testing problem, it’s an education problem, and how certain school systems have less resources than others.
I was constantly beaten at home for my problems in school. Fidgeting, talking pranks, etc.....all the while getting straight A's.
Same. Rough housing was considered "fighting" and thus "bad". It got me suspended and expelled at 8th grade and suspended and nearly expelled at 11th grade. All while I was the top grade student in my class for multiple years straight.
@@civilengineer3349 Can you flesh out what you just outlined though, and reassure us that you weren't actually just the class bully, who got all the nerds to do his homework for him, or else?
@@GreenMorningDragonProductions I wasn't a bully. The fact that you feminists can't distinguish between rough housing and bullying is the problem
I was the class clown. Got in trouble a few times, but it's because the curriculum was not challenging at all. I got straight A's and went to college completely unprepared for an actual challenge, and got put on academic suspension a couple of years in. Got my act together and graduated, then went on to be relatively successful in the workforce.
I watched the full segment (this particular video was cut short), and while I agree that the educational system needs some work, I think the bigger problem with many men nowadays is that thru social engineering, "being a man" is slowly but surely being removed from what the current narrative is accepting. You can call whatever you want, and I'm not getting political about it, but there aren't many "men" who can be a man, but still be a gentleman and a respectable adult. It's either the quintessential alpha male who looks down on women and treats others with less money, credentials, etc like complete shit (narcissism falls into this category), or the incel gamer who refuses to take any responsibility for anything, lives with his parents, won't work a job, and manipulates his parents them to accept that behavior as normal. So basically you have narcissistic assholes who think they're the best thing since sliced bread, or freeloaders who think they're incredibly intelligent and sophisticated because they're good at video games and trolling ppl on Reddit, thus making them the best thing since sliced bread. The middle ground is vanishing, and it's pathetic. It's no wonder women are so frustrated with the current landscape of dating and relationships. Men are as well, but most of them are completely clueless on how to be a man without being a dick, and when you have the two genders that want each other but can't relate or connect, you get a lot of resentment on both sides.
I don't know what the solution is. I don't even know where we can start. I certainly think social engineering needs to be modified in a way that promotes a healthy society for everyone, but that's not what benefits the corporate and political agendas, so that may be a pipe dream.
sorry
The boys at my (middle, high) school hated phys-ed. Lol.
Mark Gagnon has done a 2 hour long podcast with this dude. It's amazing. Do watch it.
Most important thing he said was that education in America needs to focus more on technical skills and the trades which would greatly benefit young males in getting jobs and being successful.
And feminists will complain.
3:11 People Applauding are the People not getting the point.
Spot on.
I'm a social democrat in Europe and I believe that boys and girls would benefit immensely from having certain school subjects (maths, language, science) completely split by gender until 5th grade.
Yeah, the Simpsons did it and it worked fine.
Social democracy is dying.
Permanently 'split' in my humble opinion
"Thank you.."lmao.
RIGHT THE SYSTEM DOES NEED REFORMED AND DIAGNOSE BETTER!!!!
Scott Galloway spoke of a 1 year later start for boys. And I think changing schools to suit boys a bit better would help.
This was excellent, but it’s nothing new. I wrote a graduate level paper on this very topic 20 years ago, that’s almost a generation ago.
To add to what Reeve said in his interview, increasingly, boys are the ones who need help. Nowadays, boys get disciplined more, fail more, drop out more, Have more learning disabilities, emotional disabilities, and behavioral issues than girls do. As Reeves said, throughout grade school, college, university, and grad school there are more girls and they get significantly better grades than boys and men do. Mentioning this and writing a book on it, should not be controversial and should not lead to suspicion or critiques of the author. None of this should take away from any of the excellent work we have been doing to help and encourage girls in education. Much progress has been made for girls over the past 40 years, and that work should continue. But, as I said in my paper 20 years ago, the next generation of women will not want to be surrounded by men who are under educated, under employed, and lacking in a healthy self image. Doing this work will benefit everyone boys and girls, as well as men and women alike.
I think it may have a lot to do about upbringing. I grew up in a big city. So office jobs are not something I love but since I grew up around it, it's not intimidating to me because I've worked them since a young age. Someone growing up in a rural place where people work with their hands everyday may have a different viewpoint of going to school and then to an office which is what we're programmed to do since childhood.
Hilarious! Ms. Hill sounds like a babe!
Both thoughts yes…bring back recess and vocational school too!
I went to a girls school and found it ideal. Separating children by gender, especially during teen years, has advantages academically.
Single sex schools certainly helps girls academically, but it definitely doesn’t help boys, and there are further social issues caused by separating teens.
Whatever advantages it may have academically are totally cancelled out by the disadvantages it causes socially. Also there are such things as boys who are into boys and girls who are into girls.
@@joshuabarrick5468 not in my experience. Educational and behavioral approaches matter. If done in a comprehensive way giving boys and girls a break from one another during crucial teen years can benefit them both significantly.
@@r8chlletters In my experience (having gone to an all-boys school), it fosters an incredibly toxic environment. The only thing it benefits is single sex girls’ academic scores, but there’s a lot more to education than that.
@@joshuabarrick5468 sounds like you attended a disappointing institution. I was lucky to have a great one. Girls and boys grow increasingly different as they reach adulthood and navigating those years between is a huge challenge. Being in a tailored environment is ideal. Let girls and boys play to their strengths without being held back by one another and allow teachers to do their best by both. It’s simple and effective if done well.
Artificial selective pressure is the problem
bill maher should make a podcast with richard reeves and dawkins
Can't agree more with this guy, more phys-ed is essential, as is restructuring the curriculum to be more inclusive
It's too late to solve this problem. At this point I would rather watch this misandrist society burn to the ground.
3:15. What are they clapping for?
“Sitting is the new smoking.” …Says the NYTimes.
But kids should wake up at 7am to do it for 6 hours for 12 years of their life.
Just get enough women to sh-t on him for existing while he's doing his best with the hand life's dealt him and men just f-cking give up. Stop making women saints and disenfranchising men.
I was told I wouldn't have a calculator everywhere I go and that no one is going to pay me to stare out a window all day...They were wrong. I have a smart phone and have been driving a truck for a living for the past 20 yrs. Can't bitch at $80K/yr.
1:06 "...if responsible people don't address real problems in a straight forward way, irresponsible people are going to exploit them."
biggest problem imo is anxiety and depression. it is absolutely rampant in north american youth and it holds them back severely. it is an epidemic that no one talks about.
Another thing that has hindered boys' academic success in America for many generations is that boys are primarily expected to excel at sports and athletics , and not nearly as much pressure is put on boys to get good grades. Time and time again, the question a boy will be asked by, for instance, a colleague of either of his parents upon being introduced to them will be 'What sports team(s) are you on at school ?", not "What's your favorite subject ?"
I used to get asked “how many girlfriends do you have” lol
Grades are bullshit. Why are you expecting boys to be good in either of these? Ask boys about the things they did outside of school. Or just generally, encourage them not to do either of these sad monkey dances.
I definitely agree with this, I think we should push boys to be intellectuals or at least resourceful thinkers, make them actually think that thinking is a cool thing, explain to them when they get into all the cool stuff(you know the fighting shite) that playing it smart works too and combining it with mechanical skill is just as important, make them well resourceful. If any of you indeed struggle to see how resourcefulness can be used in school, think again, I got through the first parts of physics through realising I could just "cheat" using the units which literally told me what to do, for chemistry I literally simplified it to "outside everyone wants 8 shells or zero shells except for hydrogen" and everything sort of came together and the rules just got into my head slowly. And the best part was maths when I realised what the equal sign meant and that was a fucking miracle as it removed all need for memorisation, instead putting me to think about the logic on the spot, I also eventually understood my quadratic equations, (can't do completing the square mind you) but the graphs makes sense, and the logic of factorising made sense too(though that wasn't so much resourcefulness as finding a eureka with the logic, you just have to procrastinate til you connect the dots), the graphs in particular was very fun logic, as I managed to connect a few dots with the graphs and the factorising method by associating points where y=0 to the values of x in factorising, that on the spot logic saved my maths tests.
What hinders boys academic success is simple grading bias. Studies show teachers have a grading bias against boys, and will grade an identical assignment 3 points lower if it has a male name than a female name. That's the difference between a B and a B+. And I'm supposed to believe that with all the research Richard Reeves put into this book, he never came across these studies?
As Malcolm X said "The Democrats are playing you for chumps." They just switched from hateful misandry to condescending misandry. It makes me sick to see people gobbling this excrement up.
I am glad to be 60+.
Can't hope to deal with this issue until we deal with the fact you can't talk about it without being accused of being a sexist MRA bigot who hates women.
Thanks partly/ largely to the homogenizing influence of such unintellectual forums as Twitstagram(?)
Which most of you are. Truth hurts so deal with it.
Because you are! LMAO
@@magicmarker7047 Okay well Magic Marker has spoken. I guess it's settled then.
@@eigeneagle9163 Okay well Eigen Eagle the all-knowing little man has spoken. Case closed.
Men thrive on competition. One thing that seems to missing from these conversations is how competition is often seen as toxic these days as it creates losers. If competitive elements, such as posting test scores on the wall, have been removed from schools, that may be a major reason as to why men are falling behind.
Why is the video so dark?
Sorry but as an elementary age teacher, girls are out of their seat just as often as boys, girls are just better at adapting to the situation.
What an interesting conversation this was.
Gives a lot to think about.
Parents have a hell of a job to do raising children.
Even as a woman, I thought it was interesting, very on point and well thought out and thought through. He's very eloquent and gifted in how he presents it all. It's as if old world knowledge that boys can be easier lead astray, but if it's a girl, can be just as bad or worse, and it's usually more painful as a failure to parents, that's because of how much more harm can receive from others, especially men. Women on the streets versus men, comparison, says it all. Everything.