Did Markiplier cheat his FNAF 2 10/20 Win? (react)
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- This dive into how Markiplier did cheat in fnaf 2 comes from TheBones5 video on the technical fnaf iceberg • The TECHNICAL FNAF Ice...
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Hey this video has been unlisted, by request from Bones. He plans on making an updated version showing why it's likely mark cheated, and wants people to judge that rather than this one.
YOOO TRENDING UNLISTED VIDEO THAT'S A NEW ONE LMAO
TheBones5 my love
just got this unlisted video on my recommended from 8h ago lol??
Did you un-unlist it?
@@sun3k It says that the video was uploaded 8 hours ago, but this comment was written 17 hours ago. Also it says that the video is unlisted, but I found it in my recommendations too. I don't understand anything. Maybe the video was reuploaded already?
I put this on my watch later and was wondering where the video went
It would be fucking hilarious if Mark just started livestreaming FNAF 2 and crushed 10/20 after the accusation
It would be funny if he was completely silent and after a legit run he just said "Yeah, I cheated back then." and then the video just ends.
He's already admitted it.
@@polecat6534when?
@@polecat6534I would also like to hear this, would he great to see his response
@@polecat6534when?!!
It funny that most CZcamsr controversy’s are like adultery or pedophillia and Mark’s is if he cheated at fnaf
Unproblematic king
Most CZcamsrs: sussy stuff, bad response to criticism
Mark: got too lucky to actually have beaten FNAF 2
Mark’s such a genuinely good person people have to try their damn hardest to find something to hate about him
@@Fan-imator Well this Bones guy isn't necessarily trying to hate on mark, just pointing out something that would be pretty obvious for him as a guy that know the inside and out of FNAF 2. Altough I wouldn't be surprised if there are people that only take this news as a new hate piece to hate on mark
@@aquatech1753 i never said he was, I’m subbed to him, just making a joke about how hard it is for people to actually hate him, which is impressive for someone with over 30 million subs
The math doesn't make sense at all.
If the chance to fail a movement is 1/4 and Toy Bonnie has 3 movements, then the odds of him failing exactly once are 3 * 3/4 * 3/4 * 1/4 = 27 / 64, not 1/4. Also, it should be the odds of Toy Bonnie failing at least one movement, which would be 1 - (3/4)^3 = 37 / 64, again, not 1/4.
Applying this to all animatronics:
Bonnie would need to fail at least one movement: 37/64
Chica would need to fail all 3: 1/64
Toy Freddy would need to fail at least two: 3 * 3 / 4 * 1/ 4 * 1/4 + (1/4)^3 = 10/64
Mangle as stated :1/2
Balloon Boy would need to fail all 3: 1/64
In total: 37 * 1 * 10 * 1 * 1 / (64 * 64 * 64 * 2 * 64) = 185/16777216 which is about 1 in 90647 or a 0,0011% chance, over 5 times higher than what the video says.
I'm not defending Mark and I know nothing about the FNAF2 AI, just pointing out that adding the number of failed movement checks and then raising 1/4 to that power won't actually give the real odds of something happening.
That’s actually a good point, I’ll include that if I ever make a future video on it
@@TheBones5Do you know if Markiplier has ever addressed it? Kinda curious lol
@@TheBones5Ik the video was uploaded a while ago but you should have used Edgeworth's theme during the trial.
@@Door-kun_07DANG
Good catch. Doesn't really make things look much better for Mark, but it's good to be a bit more accurate
I wouldn't blame him honestly 10/20 is absolute bullshit
@@Pikminenjoyerbunchofnumbers yeah I'm pretty sure Mark was expected to do it and just couldn't be asked, which makes sense and he's "humble" enough to get away with it
especially without new knowledge about the minus 3 strategy
Not anymore, but back then, without even right vent camp, absolutely
Yeah, though if people knew about it at the time they probably wouldn't be as fine and accepting about it whether it's hard or not. At least his other max modes are ligitimate and he didn't continue to cheat like cheaters of other games (unless this reply ages poorly), he only cheated the worst one that he came across.
But his thrown of being the master of fnaf should be removed.
God I can imagine Mark booting up a stream one day and just grinding out 10/20 with no explanation that is like the most Markiplier thing possible but I doubt it will happen but if it does that would be funny as fuck
That is such a Markiplier thing to do
To add to the funny he just does it silently
That would be a mood
@@1th_to_comment. He just boots up the stream, waits for people to pile in, says “Hello, everybody, today we are going to be playing Fnaf 2.” Turns to his screen, casually puts on 10/20, starts the game, and never says another word or acknowledges the chat at all for the rest of the stream, other than for bathroom breaks. Lol
man that is one case I would watch every minute of that lol
Spiff is becoming AstralReactor so that he can play with uranium next
😂
Don't forget his reactor ark comes AFTER his playthrougher ark so we have some time.
Spiff ain’t beating the Reaction CZcamsr allegations 😔
@@modernus67Tiny correction: It is Arc, like a circle, or a rainbow for another example, and not Ark, like Noah’s Boat. (Not trying to do that _”Minor spelling mistake spotted, opinion invalidated.”_ BS, *I feckin HATE that shite.* I am more attempting to give a polite correction, and give you a small Mnemonic. Yes, that _is_ a word, and _yes_ they are actually quite common.)
Bones is cracked at math and an expert on fnaf 2. When i attempted to beat fnaf 2 without the mask he was basically screaming at me saying its not possible and gave me the full math behind it. Absolute G
hi jerakai!
@@Chiptendo hello there
@@jerakaigamez I like your videos, congrats on 10K.
@@jerakaigamez General Kenobi
Hey, I watched you yesterday
This has the same vibes as finding out that a successful 60 year old CEO cheated the SAT back in highschool
Lmfao
Aka, every ceo
I cannot believe Market Fires would do such a thing
Yeah 😢 I had so much faith in Marker Player,,,,,,,
martian pliers really betrayed his audience.........
Can't believe Mark in Tyre let us down like this
@@tombotamist1174 I am shocked to hear that mark and pliers did this…………
Martyr Myers really dropped the balls on this one.
Definitely an interesting case, but one thing that sort of rubs me the wrong way is the claim Markiplier edited his files or used CD+ to "complete" 10/20 to have that individual star.
In Markiplier's UCN revisited stream, at 4 hours and 20 minutes in, he learns about camera stalling and that it was in FNAF 1. Mark never knowing about this, re-downloaded FNAF1 to test it himself. Since it was a new save of the game, Mark thought he'd have to make it all the way to the custom night to test camera stalling Freddy. Mark never thought about changing his completed nights in the settings, and the chat told him about CD+ to which Mark was absolutely flabbergasted when he saw it work.
Markiplier not defaulting to editing the nights and his reaction to CD+ implies he never knew of these methods, and means it's possible these were not methods Mark could have used to cheat 10/20.
Edit: So I just remembered in Markiplier's Pizza Sim Revisited stream at 1 hour and 12 minutes in, he did go and edit the files to give himself $50,000 for a bit about countersueing a child. However he spends about 5 minutes doing it with lots of clicking and typing, confused looks, frequent "interesting," "hold on"s, and even a "damn you!" in frustration. Possibly meaning the idea of altering the save of a FNAF game is something he was probably aware of, but only learned how to do it on the fly in the middle of the stream.
Definitely a big assumption, but I didn't want to ignore this when my original comment claimed he never would have known about this method until the UCN Revisit stream.
I was kinda skipping through the paragraphs when my eyes stumbled onto "countersueing a child" without context and my brain had to physically pause to figure out what that meant
it's also been 9 years
Everyone thinks Mark edited the game to get the star but we are talking about OG Mark here, the guy who edited all of his videos himself. Most likely he edited the star in the video NOT into the game
@Shinobin333 I would believe that he edited the star in the video itself 1000x more than I believe that he cheated by editing game files. I dont really think that he cheated either but whatever
due to an oversight by scott cawthon, it is possible to get the third star by only completing 4/20. 10/10 isn't even a requirement for the star.
I 100% believe Mark was just that damn lucky.
He got Shadow Bonnie without knowing what the hell it was.
That IS possible. However, the third star on the menu is pretty damming in my eyes.
@@Drfreaky-kms he could have just beaten it off camera
@@user-ju5gx8up6s Also, you can get the third star from beating 4/20 OR 10/20
He def did, think about it, he has like 500 attempts which he has to record? There’s no way he wouldn’t try an easier mode. I know I would.
@@user-ju5gx8up6sI mean if he did that on camera he’d get banned
Fun fact: Markiplier didn’t know that you could skip nights in fnaf until one of his revisited streams
He also didn't know how to camera stall till he played ucn, also mess with files till pizza sim but even in that stream he had 0 clue how to do it lol
you can skip nights?? SINCE WHEN??
@@mrinsomniac2968 Always been possible in the Clickteam Fusion engine, by pressing C and D then +
That's why its called CD+
Used to skip a started night
@@mrinsomniac2968since first game actually.
@@EisukiPotat0 take my fnaf license away, i have been a fan of this series for ages now and never knew this 💔💔
I mean 9 years ago maybe it would be something to talk about.
I dont know it may not be that big of a deal but the fact is Mark has built this persona of being a really genuine person and this is direct evidence to the contrary not saying he's evil or anything but the fact is he lied that's crappy, no matter how small the matter is whatever tho. Just lost a little respect I guess
@@Samantha-ur5ks i cant believe mark would lie about beating a mode in a 5 dollar game, how could he!
@@Samantha-ur5ks bro i think no one’s going to care about this tbh cuz this was literally from 9 years ago if people really did care this would have been known years ago
@@Samantha-ur5ks when you judge him here you also gotta remember that this is him cheating at a singleplayer video game almost a decade ago on a challenge that everyone hates. likee how was he meant to know he'd have such a huge fnaf reputation at this point
@@Samantha-ur5ks I mean sure it sucks, but it's been 9 years since he uploaded that video. Anyone can become a significantly different person in those 9 years so I'd just forget it.
It's pretty damning, but yeah it doesn't really matter. Compare it to another cosmic odds incident, the Dream "luck" in his minecraft speedrun. The difference here is that Mark didn't hold any kind of record for cheating. He wasn't worlds first or doing a low flashlight run. Dream, on the other hand, WAS holding a record in a competitive space, and legit runs were getting robbed by him cheating. In that case, it matters.
Not to dismiss your argument, but Dream did not submit any of his cheated runs. None of the times he cheated affected a record in a competitive space. The times he held on the leaderboard were legit runs.
@@TermoPlays ? He definitely submitted some cheated runs. He literally got his runs removed bc he submitted cheated runs.
@@user-wx6ms9rv2m No, he got his runs removed because he was cheating while pretending he wasn't. Not during any submitted runs, but that doesn't matter.
Many people that didn't cheat do things that make the speedrun community not want to associate with them anymore, therefore banning their account on their platform, causing their speedruns to delete. Most of the time it's not even Minecraft related things that cause runs of people to be deleted.
@@user-wx6ms9rv2mWhile yes I agree there had to have been some cheated runs on the leaderboard, the speedrun moderators weren’t the ones to take down the previous verified runs Dream had on the leaderboard. Dream was. He did it as an attempt to apologize or try to clean up his character or something I think idk. Technically he could have kept them up but decided not to.
@@TermoPlays Just because someone doesn't submit their run to a speedrunning page doesn't mean that it lessens the perceived achievement. As long as people perceive the run to be "one of the best times", people will assume that that is one of the runs to compete against. The speedrunning community for a given game itself is the "competitive space", not a website that just gathers the video submissions into one place. The community validates the runs (moderators of the leaderboards are almost always respected members of that game's speedrunning community), not the simple act of it being put on a website with a time next to it. At the time until he was exposed for cheating and trying to lie about it, the community did believe that his run was lucky, but legit and deserving of one of the top records of the time. By him posting his completion of the run online, he essentially did submit his runs: to the community.
honestly i don't blame him, people at the time probably had the expectations for him to beat it, and it might've been a bit too much pressure. he might've not want to "fail" the fans
either way, it doesn't really matter. it makes for an entertaining, iconic video, he wasn't competing for a world record or something so who cares
Yeah, like why talk about something from 9-8 years ago. We're people gullible? I think not. this feels like he was calling out Mark for attention
@@RG066isn't this just a part of the full video? Not like it's the whole video, also its an iceberg video which is about stuff like this so it'd be weird not to include it
@@gaminganimators7000 Yeah, it's part of the full vid. Spiff linked his video but Ik Mark to an extent
Remember the time preasure as well. iirc Fnaf 2 dropped earlier than it was supposed to (Scott you troll) and everyone was rushing to get their videos out as fast as possible. I have no doubt Mark *could* have done it legit (he's seemingly done the others, and he is the King after all) but he just didn't have the time he'd need so he flunked it for the video and for the fans. I honestly don't see it as a big deal, it's hardly the worst that's come out of the Fnaf community or that a CZcamsr has lied about. In the end he was making videos and had a deadline. And it was 9 years ago, a little late to get upset over now.
@@RG066 tons of people didnt know about it and it wasnt the main point of the video, i wouldnt say it was for attention
Here's the thing. Mark didn’t even know about cam stalling or skipping nights until he revisited the FNAF series in his streams. So while yes, technically, he could've edited the files/CD+, I HIGHLY doubt he knew about it/would have thought to do that. Adding onto that, he said it took him hours to complete 10/20 mode. Eventually, with how much RNG that mode takes, you could get a run like that regardless of the odds. It's just like soft reseting for a shiny starter in Pokemon, specifically the older games. It may take a long time, but eventuality, it can and will happen.
that 1/500k wasn't a chance of beating it, it was the chance of events happening in the way they did instead of a more normal way. he wasn't grinding for that specific rare thing ("the shiny") to happen. he was grinding for 10/20 and "coincidentally" had a winning run whose last 18 seconds exactly matched with what a 4/20 run would look like
if he was, for some reason, not grinding for the win, but grinding for a win _with_ those specific events, he would've needed to reach the last 18 seconds of the night 5000 times in order to have even a 1% chance of things panning out the way they did. it's nonsense, it'd require going out of your way to not win the night _at the very end_ just to wait for an attempt where those specific events happen. and forget grinding for hours, that would've required months considering how hard it is to reach the last 18 seconds in the first place
in other words, a 1/500k event is rare but if you hunt for it you'll have a decent chance. but hunting for something completely unrelated, and getting both at the same time? it's not a 1/500k chance of that happening in every attempt, which would increase the odds as you did more and more attempts, eventually being so likely that it's statisically guaranteed to happen. it's 1/500k of it having happened, on the ONE winning attempt. the odds of which are then exactly 1/500k and not more.
(ok, this is not counting the fact that having that happen makes the last 18 seconds easier, thus making a win more likely. but that is first of all unnecessary as the last 18 seconds aren't particularly harder than the rest of the night, which we'd assume he didn't have insane luck on but did legit, so we can assume that if he made it that far legit, beating it normally is more likely than waiting for an easy last 18 seconds with 1/500k chance. secondly, there's many configurations of events that could've happened in those last 18 seconds to make them easier, such as half the toy and withered animatronics not showing up instead of only the toys, or literally any other combination of animatronics not showing up. so it's unlikely in and of itself for "the lucky final 18 seconds" to be something that exactly matches up with 4/20. there's many other "lucky final 18 seconds" that would be lucky without matching up with any particular challenge)
as for the star, it's possible he didn't know file editing or CD+, but maybe he asked someone else to send him a completed savefile, or he downloaded a 100% savefile from somewhere, and whoever made it did know file editing. a lot of games store savefiles in a way that's really difficult to edit, but you can still share them around. so downloading a savefile doesn't imply you know they even _can_ be manually edited
@@L4Vo5 Jesus chirst it is not that serious dude lol, but I see your point. Tho, there is a comment I saw, should be near the top of the comment section cuz of all the likes, that pointed out the math was off and the chance of that happening is roughly 1/90000 (Rounded, the comment had the exact number). Still extremely rare obviously but not nearly as rare as 1/500k. Also, I know it wasn't a 1/500k to beat the night but to get that setup.
As for the star, yes he COULD have done that, but imo it's unlikely. Keep in mind, I don't know much about save file editing in games, but it just doesn't seem like something Mark would do in the first place. He's not a known liar/cheater at games unlike some youtubers/competitors, and if anything he's known more for being honest. Obviously I dunno him personally, but when it comes to something like this, the personality of the person needs to be taken into account alongside the technical possibility of it all.
@@user-sk7zp6tz2b sure, you can believe whatever you want, I was just pointing out it's not impossible for him to have cheated while also not knowing how to edit savefiles (downloading savefiles is far easier than editing them as it's the exact same process for basically every game in existence. hell, I've done it a few times)
@@L4Vo5 And I get that, I was just saying it's not impossible for it to have legitimately happened how it did. I just have my doubts about the cheating considering how Markiplier acts as a person, which seemingly wasn't taken into account in the video.
@@user-sk7zp6tz2b of course it's not taken into account, it's a non-measurable thing. not like thebones knows him (or any of us know him, really)
I feel like that would be out of character and something he would just admit to, but the evidence is damning indeed
edit: according to Apple in the replies, Mark admitted in his fnaf 2 revisited video
edit 2: about 10 minutes in if you want to see for yourself
also as others have said, Mark used to put on a persona back then, as you'd notice watching old vs new vids he acted overwhelmed and goofy constantly but now he's very calm and collected in comparison
overall it doesn't actually matter anyway
I wouldn't be suprised if he didn't even remember. That was a long time ago, for one of his thousands of videos.
tbf that side of mark is kind of new cause he stopped his overreactions he did from like 2012-2016. I could see him splicing a run just to get the video out cause it was a giant thing of hype at the time.
It's something that's out of character for the current Mark but back then he probably did it. Not saying that makes him a bad person, but Mark back then probably could have done it
@@tinycandleman6020 An important milestone for his claim of being the "King of FNAF"? I don't think he would easily forget that. Nevertheless forgetting does not exonerate or forgive someone.
probably just wanted to get a video out at time lmao
That is some pretty compelling evidence. But to play devil’s advocate, an extremely low chance is still a possible chance. For example, back when FNAF 1 dropped I couldn’t beat night 6 for the life of me, and my first ever win of that night was due to accidentally triggering the “killing Foxy” glitch. Chica had entered my room, so I couldn’t lift the camera. I didn’t know Foxy was running, and I didn’t even know that the glitch existed. I was just randomly checking my left light & closing the door, and I just so happened to flash the light at the exact moment Foxy’s jumpscare started, triggering the glitch. Idk what the exact odds for that are, but after that I can’t really rule out any possibility
You got really lucky with that glitch specifically because there's a 25% chance for the light to flicker and it's a 4 frame window you have to hit to kill foxy.
@@DakotahWestburryit's unrelated to the light flickering, it's just the light being on constantly updating the office (source: Brayden's comment on thebones' worst rng video)
As someone who has been watching Mark since like 2012:
It's very uncharacteristic for him to cheat, given his competitive nature and even being on record to say that he learned about an exploit for FNAF 1 and refused to use it out of principle for the challenge; so I doubt he did.
But do I really care enough to get into arguments with people? Not really.
i don't think he even remembers about that.
@hiagod2802 he does, he said in his fnaf 2 revisited that he never beat 10/20 mode and it always bothered him that he didn't
@@quintonheimann i think he was talking about UCN and it bothered him that he never beat 20\50 mode. because he bought it up around the same time
@@quintonheimann what timestamp?
@@johnwest6690 It's between 10 minutes and 10:30. He doesn't explicitly say he edited footage, but the message he's conveying very much implies that he never beat it.
He was talking about 50/20 mode in UCN. Not any other fnaf game. @@quintonheimann
Dang, this really marks my pliers
That's good thats funny you got me
1/500k is... it's a lot, but it's not THAT much. rarer things have happened. the theory also doesn't really account for animatronics blocking each other, which happens a lot on max modes.
The last point seems overexaggerated to me, as if Markiplier truly did need a moment he wouldn't just leave that footage uncut in there as that would be awful to watch.
Depends on how long the moment was. Even then, it's suspiciously timed. I'd expect him to wanna show it right away since it was right there & then take a moment.
Still more belivable odds than Dream speedruns
Today's Markiplier could do it he just doesn't give a shit.
I don't understand how people are already taking this as gospel. There is a chance Mark got really lucky. Did he? IDK. But acting like he's already guilty is wild.
(Plus apparently he messed up the math so it’s actually 10 times as likely as this deboonking makes it out to be)
@@bruhbruh-us6gl where'd they mess up the math?
@@L4Vo5 Copied from another comment:
If the chance to fail a movement is 1/4 and Toy Bonnie has 3 movements, then the odds of him failing exactly
once are 3 * 314 * 314 * 1/4 = 27 / 64, not 1/4. Also, it
should be the odds of Toy Bonnie failing at least one
movement, which would be 1 - (3/4) ^3 = 37 / 64,
again, not 1/4.
Applying this to all animatronics:
Bonnie would need to fail at least one movement:
37164
Chica would need to fail all 3: 1/64
Toy Freddy would need to fail at least two: 3 * 3 | 4 * 1/
4 * 1/4 + (1/4)^3 = 10/64
Mangle as stated :1/2
Balloon Boy would need to fail all 3: 1/64
In total: 37 * 1 * 10 * 1 * 1 / (64 * 64 * 64 * 2 * 64) = 185/16777216 which is about 1 in 90647 or a 0,0011% chance, over 5 times higher than what the video says.
I'm not defending Mark and I know nothing about the
FNAF2 Al, just pointing out that adding the number of failed movement checks and then raising 1/4 to that power won't actually give the real odds of something happening.
@@bruhbruh-us6gl(a reminder that this is assuming all animatronics are as far back as possible the moment the clip starts, which is already probably not gonna happen to anyone naturally)
How many times have you ever seen rwqfsfasxc? That's a 1/16k chance. This is a like 1/90k at BEST. And it's not like he was grinding for this specifically, he was (supposedly) just grinding 10/20 and just happened to get the last 18 seconds where literally nobody but the withered animatronics ever actually show up.
Tbh I think this just shows how hard it is for people to grasp how rare stuff in general actually is.
The main takeaway from all of this is: Who cares?
Cheated or not, it's an age old video, and also it's 10/20.
Fun to speculate, but completely meaningless in the long run, and i hope nobody actually takes this as an attack on Mark or anything because that's definitely not the case
It's just an iceberg video, just some quirky FNAF stuff that he made clear wasn't meant to be an attack or hate piece on mark
@@AshStyx Exactly
it's not like he did this in a speedrun, so it doesn't really matter
I love mark, don't get me wrong. However, this does show that at that point in his life he was at least capable of lying about something at the time that was so large. Still love him though, but that just put an asterix in my mind for that time of his videos
@@Mel0nMel 10 years ago? everyone has lied, what made you think mark hadn't?
Solid video overall, it's def hard to really add anything when reacting to a person that knows basically literally everything about the subject at hand, but I still had a good time seeing your reactions. At the end of the day it was still a good video and gave us some solid laughs. It would be interesting to see the big M himself actually acknowledge this too. It makes sense not to since it is really old content at this point but also feels like something Markiplier might actually address as someone that is proud of their work and achievements. But like, I'm just some ghost on the internet.
i don't blame him that much he still most likely beat
fnaf 1
fnaf 3
fnaf 4
fnaf sl cn
which require more skill, rather than rng like iin fnaf 2
fnaf 2 don´t needs rng to be beaten
@@nonn3n340 bro doesnt know about toy bonnie
@@nonn3n340the strats today weren't known back then
@@allnamesinworldtaken and you doesnt know about the minus 7 strat
I honestly wouldn’t hold it against him. He would’ve disappointed his audience if he wasn’t able to do it after managing to beat 4/20 in the first game. It’s not like this was a faked speed-run or some kind of competition. Also, 10/20 is stupid.
I also don’t think Bones had intentions of starting beef with Mark. I think this is just a thing he noticed and decided it was something noteworthy to talk about because, well, it is.
Spiff’s comment about the “giganerds” is also more accurate than you think. They caught an SM64 speedrun cheater 13 years later when they realized Mario’s blinking is on a fixed cycle and the cheater’s blinks were constantly out of sync with the cycle.
Yeah he said he doesn’t hate mark I don’t think he’s trying to start anything
whats the mario callout video called
@@Bupropionville i think there's one on it by Abyss iirc
if he had no intentions he would keep the benefit of the doubt, he specifically attacks Mark in this case, and doesn't even try to contact him to get a response, it's completely one sided.
@@thechugg4372 I mean he does in fact try to make it at least best case scenario for mark
The star is the only real damning evidence here. From what other people are saying, the actual chances of Mark getting that setup dont seem quite as low as the guy says, and if he truly kept at it for so many hours it would be entirely possible to win. Maybe theyre wrong, idk. But I also gotta say, presenting relief after something so incredibly stressful as evidence for cheating is simply petty. Again, I do believe it because of the star, but only because of the star.
There’s a guy in the comments claiming he admitted to cheating at 10:10 in his FNAF 2: Revisited VOD. He’s a liar, if you watch from that point in the VOD, it’s clear that he’s talking about UCN. He calls it the “Custom Night 20 mode” and then says maybe 30 seconds later: “Maybe I’ll go back and try to beat Ultimate Custom Night” (paraphrased). Yeah, the guy claiming this in the comments section is straight lying through their teeth.
I feel like a younger mark would have seen this and beaten 10/20 again just to prove it
Dude he probably would now if he even did cheat lol. Adhd hyperfocus and spite is a hell of a drug (from my personal experience lmao)
@@comicsans3537 I don't think it would be spite since if he did cheat, he's just being rightly called out. I think shame/accountability would be more likely. He seems like a very honest & accountable guy the vast majority of the time so I don't think he'd be mad that he got caught.
@@comicsans3537 You ain't wrong there.
I still think it’s legit. I’ve had moments in 10/20 where there was no danger cue after the start. The part with him cutting to the custom night screen is just nitpicky. It is evidence, but not anything to actually prove it. It’s statistics. When 0+ is the probability, what we have witness to is what we get.
that’s cope. By that logic, dream didn’t cheat.
@@CelesteLovesThePRC Dream’s was actually proven fake tho, just with the fact that it’s scripted
@@Sean-qg3gg that "proof" is dream admitting the speedrun had a mod, MONTHS after the accusations. prior to that, the only proof was statistics. with your logic, that statistical proof should've been ignored for those months. which in turn would've resulted in him never admitting to it as there'd be no pressure to
(that being said, dream's odds were far, FAR more ridiculous than 1/500k. his "luck" was so insane that if every human on earth did nothing but grind minecraft speedruns for hundreds of years, it's still unlikely that anyone would be that lucky)
@@L4Vo5 I thought we were talking about something else Dream did.
The odds are actually better than shown in the vid (one of the top comments has a good breakdown on it), around 1/90k
That being said, reminder that that 1/90k is *absolute best case scenario* where all the toy animatronics are as far back as they possibly can right when the clip starts
And reminder that it's not like he was grinding for specifically a 10/20 win without toys showing up in last 18 seconds, this was (supposedly) just his normal 10/20 win
And reminder that the only uncut thing from 6 am is the third star (which he shows he doesn't have earlier in the vid), which you get for beating 4/20, which lines up perfectly with what we see in the vid
Idk man its prob still legit /j
7 months ago on Reddit, someone pointed those proofs out on a post (in r/markiplier) and a lot of answers seemed to prove it was still possible. There's was a lot of them. I see none of that on that video. No comments explaining that, just people blaming him. Maybe he didn't, maybe he did. There's a lot of evidence for both sides, (supposedly) but I'm staying on Markiplier's side.
Let's face it, this is markiplier we're talking about, since when have people talked about how skilled he is in any game he ever played?
His reactions and entertainment value are more important to him and the viewer than his skill in a particular game. nobody watches him to see him be *good* at games, they watch him to see him be *funny* while he's anywhere between terrible and decent at games.
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Fr, and frankly back then, being the biggest FNAF CZcamsr at the time, getting an entertaining and fun video out quick that shows everything the game has to offer, including the hard modes even if he can't beat them. Bros over here saying "I don't hate Markiplier" but yet wrote a college essay about it and was running out breath with his rant, about cheating in a 10 year old game.
@@LiveEnd06 In fairness, cheating runs is a pretty major "crime" to someone who takes their gaming more competitively.
@@user-mv5zt8qd9l In fairness, cheating is a pretty major "crime" in competition when someone's actually competing. So is bro tryna compete with Mark 10 years ago, or is he just digging this up for no reason other than clout?
@@user-mv5zt8qd9l but the point is that Mark and pliers doesn't do it for competitive reasons and doesn't even want to "set a record" or anything he just wants to be entertaining
God simply smiled upon Mark that day.
I think frankly the most likely scenario is that he wanted to get the video out as soon as possible to capitalize on the hype but couldn't personally beat it, so he faked the run in order to get the video out on time. No shade tbh, when at that time period you were considered the "King of FNAF", it would have been immense pressure to actually be able to complete the mode quickly.
Literally all of this is speculation and a lot of yapping. Mark has already shown to be astronomically lucky with these games and Fnaf 2 s 10/20 requires just that, luck. As for the why did he make a cut he literally did that all the time in his videos. I like bones but god damn bro needs to get shoved in a locker
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Bro decided that maek having supernatural luck is somehow more probable then a youtuber just cheating to make a video out faster
@@andrejmisev2386Damn, didn't know *maek* was a cheater /s
Markiplier doesn’t do dishonesty. He only does masochism and stupidity(the haha funny oops kind).
@@goofyahdemoman1134 to be fair. You THINK Markiplier doesn't do dishonesty. This is something that's impossible to prove or disprove, unlike being able to prove that his run was astronomically unlikely
It’s so funny because this kinda thing happened to Thesyndicate project when he made his round 115 in cod zombies the dudes that catch it are so much smarter then me
I saw bones Challenges and he’s a god, especially Braixen help on a specific setups for any type of FNAF, except 3D fnaf games.
Honestly, FNAF2 is way too random to predict. At times it’s insanely forgiving, and other times it throws every single damn animatronic at you at once, all within the same night.
I’ve even had terrible rng with FNAF1, where Bonnie refused to leave the door the entire night… but tbh that could’ve been a bug (wouldn’t be my first issue with FNAF1).
If Mark faked it, then that sucks but I ain’t even bothered by it, bro was hella pressured into beating these games back then.
It's not a bug FNAF revolves entirely around rng. Even mark has bad luck with Bonnie in FNAF 1, I think it's part 2 where Bonnie refused to leave the door. He just got insanely unlucky
Yea I don't think anyone really cares Abt this, but it's a really interesting bit of history
Ab ur fnaf1 yeah that's totally possible. In fact it's more likely on earlier nights. In 4/20 though that never happens, they always leave after 5 seconds at most
Honestly this is the most “Oh no! Anyways moment” of all time like who honestly cares lmao
I saw a comment on the video debunking the points, bringing up how animatronics can't overlap in the vents, etc.
Wouldn't you still hear them though?
@@D_YellowMadness I don't think they can go in the vents if someone (the withereds) are already there
I think it's more likely that he got the 1 and 500000 odds than him knowing how to edit the file tbh
I would say Mark absolutely didn't know that cd+ existed at that time, maybe file editing sure but Mark wasn't scouring FNAF like a lot fans did.
I think people usually find out about a cheating program because they look for it after they start wanting to cheat.
Anyone saying that he admitted he cheated in his revisted video is incorrect, he talked about ucn not fnaf 2
Honestly, it’s been years. I don’t think it matters, since fnaf was smaller then, and he’s done WAY more impressive recently, and I bet he could do it now.
other youtubers: strike a minor
markiplier:
People fail to consider how much Markiplier played FNAF.
Obviously the more you play a game with RNG, the more odds you have of getting crazy luck.
And Markiplier definitely played more than the average person, so he’ll definitely have clips of crazier luck…because that’s how that works when you grind the hell out of an RNG game.
Didn't Mark just _happen upon_ Shadow Bonnie on accident in like the first night of him revisting FNAF 2 on stream?
@@saltystick_99 twice apparently but I might be wrong
@@user-ju5gx8up6s Which is like, what, a million-in-one chance of happening?
I don't know the exact percentage but I just know it's obscenely low to encounter Shadow Bonnie.
@@saltystick_99 someone (possibly bones?) did a code analysis and determined the odds are actually far higher (around 1/15000 or so) due to code oversights, which makes it more common than golden freddy
@@phil8910itztaken did that
Markiplier played it when it came out, not 9 years later. Also Markiplier tends to win because of luck, thus the luck of no new animatronics appeared to move during the clip
Even though he cheated, I still don't blame him. that mode was extremely, insanely difficult back then lol.
Cosidering EVERYTHING in FNAF 2 is built on RNG except player movement, possibly either Mark got tremendously lucky or he just got fed up with how annoying the 10/20 night is.
Literally someone in here finally having a brain it's literally an rng game there is no denying that Mark got lucky and in marks very own video he got killed by 2 different toy animtronics it's just another clout chaser getting his diaper taped up by his little fnaf content creators without realizing how bad deflimation can be for people
I think bones fails to realize that while his math is true (looking back at it he oversimplified it), mark literally said it took him multiple hours. Meaning his probability goes up. 10/20 is all about luck. So he got the lucky run and won
but it's not the probability of winning
It's possibly worth noting that Scott said he gave early versions to CZcamsrs and that the updates were slightly different since he wasn't playing the Steam version of the game.
To be honest I think the percentages below low or pretty weird but they're still possible.
I love the "why does he say that he needs a minute" like thats an absurd thing to do after grinding for that long. Marks heart was probably beating and wanted to sound coherent so there is a cut. Idk theres a lot of leap in logic here
saying that specifically isn’t what’s absurd, it’s the cut immediately after. saying “I need a minute” and just sitting there or even pulling up the 10/20 screen as he says it would’ve been much more reasonable, but obviously the cut wouldn’t’ve been weird in the first place if the footage wasn’t already suspicious so eh whatever
@matikusu he was trying to say something and was amped up by beating 10/20. He took a minute to compose himself. This doesn't really prove anything lol
Edit: and he wouldn't leave a minute of dead air. It's not a livestream and youtube at the time really rewarded 10 minute videos and longer videos didn't do as well. This whole thing is a bit of a reach
+ his math was wrong and we know how weird the RNG is in FNAF, the number of people attacking Mark is insane
@@sk8erman773 yeah, my point is that it’s 100% a realistic reaction if it was real, but looks suspicious if you think about the potential of it being faked.
my stance on this whole thing is that I believe that the footage isn’t legit, whether it’s because mark wanted to fake it (for lack of skill/time) or because he lost footage or something and decided not to tell for some reason (unlikely but still possible). It doesn’t really matter because ultimately his 10/20 completion doesn’t take anything away from anyone else. Mark never claimed “first ever” or that he was the “best”, the “king of fnaf” title was always a joke and if anyone thought that meant he was objectively the best that was on them. Some guy who’se a big fan of the intricacies of fnaf2 just noticed some flaws in the validity of mark’s run and decided to spend their time proving a point for the fun of the exercise. If people think this is going to (or worse, “should”) harm Mark’s reputation, they’re wasting their energy arguing about this.
@@thechugg4372 even if the math was wrong it’s still very unlikely. realistically you might also be confusing “people that believe the evidence” with “people who are attacking Mark” I have yet to see anyone who believes the evidence say anything other than “huh okay neat, now wouldn’t it be funny if he went back and did it again but real”
it doesn’t matter what so ever because no one’s watching markiplier because he’s a max-moder he could upload a video claiming he speedran mario 64 in the highest time possible and it would still get the same amount of views because well he’s markiplier, there’s no doubt he put in the hours and decided “yeah i got better things to do with my time” and still he did do a lot of fnafs max modes so like i don’t blame him at all i beat 50/20 but can even beat fnaf 2 night 5 LMAO
If Steelwool or Clickteam would even touch any of the old gamez, they should remove ALL rng except movement opporunity, but make attacking if an animatronic is in a vent guaranteed.
Thanks for a good video. Kinda sad to see it being unlisted, but I hope full video on this topic gonna make it actually worth it
He didn’t cheat, he played a lot of attempts so that 1/(insert number here) is more like 1,500/(insert digit here) he beat the hardest challenge if fnaf as a hole, besides 50/20 mode but that is hard cuz of the sheer animatronics. A break is reasonable after you beat a hard challenge. He may have just beat 4/20 mode to practice and didn’t realize he got the star. He clearly has the skills to beat 10/20 mode too. It ain’t too bad as long as you get good luck.
Unlikely? Yes, but I have had fnaf 10/20 mode attempts where mangle didn’t move until 1 AM.
I'm honestly not surprised, Mark used to play a lot of rage games, since his reactions got so many views, but eventually had to come out and announce that he just couldn't do it anymore for his own sanity. As said in the video, it was 10 years ago and it's not like he was claiming to be any sort of fnaf max mode god, so it really doesn't matter. I doubt he would even remember if you confronted him about it. It would definitely be cool to see him admit he cheated and team up with TheBones5 at some point to beat 10/20 legitimately, but as I said I'm not sure he would have the patience nor would he particularly care, or even remember.
I'm pretty sure if Markiplier sees this video/ hears about the accusations will probably go back and do the challenge proper.
wouldnt surprise me if he just didnt tho, cuz it was 9 years ago and no one *really* cares if he cheated or not
It's likely that Mark may forget if he did beat it or not because that was nearly 10 years ago it's hard to remember things from that long ago, Well some things there may be things that you'll never forget but cheating is something you can easily forget about if you don't remind yourself and think you actually did it
@@elioridacow its not that hard to remember things that far
He probably doesn't care. He probably doesn't even care about the King of FNAF title tbh, there are so many other pro FNAF players that it doesn't really matter.
@@Faiths123 Not everything!
Occam’s razor, if he claims Mark edited the save to get the Golden Freddy star, why wouldn't Mark edit the save or cd+ before the 4/20 run or between cuts instead of the making an obvious cut after the run? You claim he's trying to fool TENS OF MILLIONS? You're not just calling a cheater, you're calling him stupid.
Ok sorry if this comes off wrong...
Wasnt his run like a decade ago? Why are we just having problems with it now? I swear people dont care how far back they have to go to dig up dirt on someone. like, what?
Ok after hearing some of his reasoning I want to add:
BB I will admit is a bit strange.
But as for the toys... Withered Chica is in one vent, meaning no other animatronics could occupy it. Mark does not shine his flashlight down the hall. They could be there. He also does not check any other cam other than prize corner. They could literally be anywhere else during those 18 seconds. Just because we didn't see them in the two places mark looked doesnt mean they werent active.
Also they dont have set paths they can go forwards and backwards and on top of that Im pretty sure he missed a few cams in his analysis like correct me if Im wrong but dont they all need to go to camera 7 (that one hallway) as well before coming to you? Idk man this just seems a little wierd that this is only coming to light now.
it’s because of the rise of technical fnaf content on CZcams as of late
Idk that much about fnaf 2, but I know some probability maths. In the description of the FNAF 2 10/20 video, it said that it took "about 9 hours of straight jamming with small sessions of practice over the past month". After a bit of research I found that a FNAF 2 night lasts 6 minutes and 48 seconds (this could be wrong idk). Assuming that it takes a night's worth of time for a single attempt (which is worst case scenario), that would mean he made 9 hours / 6 minutes and 48 seconds, or 79ish attempts.
Taking the number from the video (1/524,288) to be the case for the chance of all those failed movement opportunities, to calculate the probability of such an event occurring over 79 attempts we first calculate (1 - 1/524,288) ^ 79, or about 0.9998493307 (or about 99.985%), which is the chance of it not happening, then subtract that from 1 which is about 0.0001506693 (or 0.015%) to get the chance of it happening.
So while the chance of this occurring for a single instance is 1/524,288, the chance of this occurring over the course of his attempts (assuming a lowball for the amount of attempts) is about 15/100,000, or about 3/20,000, which is a much larger probability than what is suggested. Of course however, Markiplier would need to take advantage of this opportunity and succeed at the night the first time he got it, to which there is no rigorous way to calculate the probability of, so it's just another thing to consider.
Dude did all that math but didn't check the description..
equally worth noting that he obviously had more than 79 attempts so the actual probability would be higher still than that
Yeah, I dislike when people calculate the probability like this, just taking a bunch of stuff and throwing them all into one event like this. I'm fairly certain any run of 10/20 could easily be calculated to be 1 in a trillion odds (or whatever) if you wanted. This doesn't mean Mark didn't cheat, but I don't think anyone who knows anything about statistics would be calculating the odds this way
@@KeimoKissa In a way I agree, but at the same time it is such an impossible situation in the first place. Like sure, if you calculate the chance of any given thing occurring, the chances would still be really low when considering all the animatronics, but this is like the perfect scenario that would have had to occur so I think its justified in this case. This is the single scenario that could have occurred to make this situation happen, and he even gave him the benefit of the doubt with the "positive" version of them being as far as possible
A night in FNAF 2 is 7 minutes long I think.
Well no, I wouldn't say it's "eh" on whether or not it matters, it doesn't matter. It's a fucking ancient video from when FNAF was a brand new series. Pulling this out now has strong vibes of "oh, turns out this guy got popular, I need to take him down now for the big views". I don't think Mark even cares about FNAF anymore, he just plays the modern games out of an obligation because FNAF did so much for him (and him for FNAF).
The whole iceberg thing left a bad taste in my mouth. I think it's poor form to put _yourself_ on an iceberg midway through, ahead of other people you deem more "surface level", especially when your comments on those people are always "a lot of people like X but actually X isn't that good". He dunks on Mark for people thinking he's the all time king of FNAF (a title he was given before people really started digging into the code and the only determination for being "good" at FNAF was beating it, like it's not fair to say "oh he's not that good because we dive into the code" when no one was fucking doing that until very recently, that's like saying people from earlier eras of history were dumb because they didn't just invent modern technology like we did) and he dunks on ChickenNinja for saying Post Shift 2 is the hardest FNAF fan game (which may have been true to ChickenNinja himself personally, I'm sure he didn't play all 89 other games that were higher up on that list, and also who the fuck determines the 89 games ahead of Post Shift 2 are harder? Difficulty is subjective and you can't really just say X is inherently harder than Y unless Y was designed specifically to be hard, at which case it doesn't matter anymore because you're designing for difficulty and not for gameplay). I dunno, the whole thing just felt like a weird, uncharacteristic ego-stroking fest for a guy who usually seems pretty humble.
yeah putting yourself on an iceberg you made and then posting that onto youtube is kinda questionable. i havent seen the video, mainly cuz i dont watch bonez for that content, but if what you say is true then thats a really yikes thing lmao
i love blindly hating
I wouldn't be surprised if Mark made a full clip of him beating 10/20 mode out of spite just to claim the "kind of five nights at freddy's" title again.
Measuring odds to determine if someone cheated is a slippery slope, every game played should be unique in some way, thats the whole point. I personally don't see anything concrete in measuring odds. The other points I can see and hold validity.
This is a small youtuber, alot of gamers dont care about how a game is made so he would be limited to how far he can grow his audience, claiming markiplier cheated is just his way of trying to get attention from the internet
This one I’ll reply to because it’s the worst cope:
no you goof. The mark cheated section is buried inside a video, with no reference to it in the thumbnail or title, and it’s one of his least viewed videos.
@@AstralSpiffExtras oh, that genuinely suprises me tbh since he starts it with "i know this is the part everyone came here for"
@@YTDaveyyyy that might be because he teased it in the first iceberg video
@@L4Vo5 and again, that feels like viewerbait "watch the next video to see me callout a famous creator for something considered serious by their fanbase"
@@YTDaveyyyy You'd only have a basis for your claim if found a way to dispute his evidence. Of course if someone has evidence of a popular CZcamsr cheating an accomplishment his fans have been talking about for years & he's already making a video that talks about it, he's probably gonna mention it outside of the video itself because he wants people to see it.
Imagine if everyone believed Billy Mitchell & loved him & yet Karl Jobst's first video about him cheating was just called Arcade Iceberg & then he mentioned that the video contains evidence of a famous person cheating & people disbelieved him purely because he mentioned it outside the video.
If anything, I find it more suspicious that he advertised it so little & left it out of the title & thumbnail but even that seems like a shaky basis for suspicion because I generally don't call attention to my own videos criticizing bigger creators because I get caught in a dichotomy of wanting people to see it for the sake of the message & yet not wanting the attention because it could include an army stans.
Spiff: Don't cheat the nerds will eventually find out
*Mark cheats, makes tons of money and this is definitely not going to end his career*
Me: nah cheating seems to pay
Mark would have too much honor to cheat 10/20
After completing FNAF2 to 100% with the present day strategies, I can say that I completely understand why one would cheat.
Heck him proving his runs in later videos could be him redeeming himself. It can take months to beat FNAF2 10/20 mode with bad RNG.
He's still the king of FNAF, but a king isn't God in all things. They have faults and some secrets like everyone else.
I mean let’s be honest here: Who cares? And I don’t mean that in any mean way but this was all the way 9 years ago. It really only would’ve been a big deal if it was found out recently from him completing the challenge and most people don’t exactly care to seek “justice” for Mark not legitimately beating a single player challenge that was 9 years ago. But good react spiff.
i've seen the iceberg videos already but each time i see the ace attorney edits it makes me so happy
I will say, there's some mathematical bias that needs to be accounted for when calculating odds like this. For example, while yes the odds of any singular run having those events happen, how many attempts did he do? An attempt that happened to get that kind of luck would be far more likely to be the winning attempt. There's some mathematical ways to correct for that kind of bias iirc, but I'm not a statistician. The odds are still low, but I don't think they're as unreasonable as 1/500,000 seems at first glance
That which is done in the dark will eventually come to the light.
Meaning; If you cheat and lie, and get away with it. You don't really, it will always come back to bite you later. It may be a few days, weeks, months, or even years. It doesn't matter, it always comes back.
Love Mark, no hate... Just thought I'd throw this out there for any passersby.
It's probably likely he did tbh but, it doesn't really matter all that much, because as you said, it's nearly a decade ago
Personally, regardless of the odds of the 18 second clip, its still just an 18 second clip of the run making it unverifiable anyway. Unless mark uploads the full uncut footage of the entire run then there is absolutely no way we can say it is legitimate even IF the low odds did somehow happen. (Again this is no hate towards mark in any way. besides, he has done way harder modes legitimately regardless and it is still understandable why he probably had to fake 10/20)
Idk if he’s done anything much harder than 10/20 though, he never did 50/20 and the other max modes aren’t nearly as difficult
You're making it sound like he would have posted this to a leaderboards, but that's not the intention of the video
@@bluerious5475 Sister Location max mode is generally considered much, much harder, and he did that.
at this point reckon he would just confess about it and move on.
I didn't even know about the file editing/glitches till just now and I had followed the games religiously since day 1. The cynicism build is crazy on something that doesn't even matter.
Honestly even if he cheated it just makes the whole “King of Five Nights At Freddy’s” meme funnier
honestly yeah he probably cheated, his viewers had the expectation for him to do it and he didn’t want to let them down. pretty harmless and i don’t blame him
Petition for Mark to go back and complete it legit
Except he didn't
nah its pretty dishonest to your fans, it don't matter tbf, it was 9 years ago but people are trying too hard to defend dishonesty.
@@strict5797rage bait
@@strict5797 it's a game. it doesn't matter.
Honestly, all it takes is for Mark to say something about it. Personally, i generally trust him to be honest about it, if he comes out and says "yea i took a bit of a shortcut, sorry bout that" id be chill, it was fnaf 2 a decade ago who actually cares, but if he said "nah it was legit" id just believe him.
Did he also say Dawko cheated in 50/50 from UCN?
likely he did but tbf... he has had rarer things in fnaf 2 LIVE
honestly doesnt change much. People don't watch him to see him be good at games, and I have a feeling he cheated just to get the video out at a decent time. People watch Markiplier for Markiplier
I'm not gonna pretend it's a huge deal but people typically watch that type of video to see him be good at the game or to see him beat the odds through persistence in a game he's not so good at. Him grinding through a tedious repetitive luck-based challenge tends to not be the height of comedy.
I personally do believe he cheated, but i’d like to think it’s for a variety of reasons. Everyone’s lied or cheated or done something of the sort in the past, and Markiplier has admitted many times in his podcast and in videos that he’s not immune to these things. One example is how this video is almost a decade old. Markiplier was much newer to content and stuff of the sorts back then, so it’s way more believable that he did cheat rather than if it was now. Another thing is that 10/20 is literally just absolute hell. I’ve never had more attempts in a FNAF challenge than 10/20, even more than the majority of all the UCN custom modes. I wouldn’t blame him if he just didn’t want to disappoint his fans and got a little fed up with the literal BS that the challenge was. Another thing is that back then he was fairly new to FNAF, and definitely had no idea that he was going to blow up as quickly as he did, and continue FNAF for multiple years to come. I’m sure he didn’t see this as a massive part of his character and that it would basically be his identity from then on, which would somewhat justify his actions. I’m sure that he also didn’t think that it would matter much in the future, and all the other things I said before back this up. Anyways I love Markiplier, he’s the one who got me into FNAF, and eventually into AstralSpiffs content. In the end, that one thing he did doesn’t really change how I think about him now, especially given that’s he’s improved a lot as a person and content creator since then, and I don’t believe what he did is going to harm anyone. It was his decision on what to do, that’s all. There’s also the possibility that he did in fact not cheat it, but I don’t really buy into that given the odds and evidence. I don’t think anyone should look down on Mark because of that one thing he did in the past, because it’s just not worth it. Anyways if you actually read through my entire yap-fest of a comment, thanks and have a good day ❤🙏
We need him to beat it for real now
I'm not fond of the maths here. Since, for example, Bonnie would have to fail at least 1 opportunity (out of 3), surely the odds of that aren't 1/4, but instead 1/4 repeated 3 times (has to be at least one out of 3), or 1 - 27/64, a bit over 50%. Apply the same to Chica and you have a 3-something-fold increase in probability. The odds still look nearly impossible, granted, but my inner math nerd wanted to point that out.
Bones, being a pretty good mathematician from what I know, surely must've chosen to simplify the odds for... viewing pleasure, I'm guessing?
Don't forget it needs to be applied over however many runs took place, raising the odds even more
If its just the odds and no other evidence I don’t personally like using it as cheating evidence. Because luck is a very important part of completing really hard challenges in games. So no matter how unlikely, if it’s just probability being the evidence it always rubs me the wrong way. You keep restarting for better luck and all
Not saying there’s anything wrong with Bones but for me personally as a non speedrun expert it just doesn’t feel 100%
@@feffy380 He said he took 7 hours I think? Or maybe 9? And at WORST, assuming that each time he played he made it one second to 6AM then died before he won, that would still leave him with between 61-79 attempts depending.
Again that's if he died one second before 6AM, EVERY RUN, for the entire thing. Who knows what the real number of runs is considering the amount of attempts that no doubt ended earlier in the night.
Not saying he didn't cheat it, but at the same time he did who knows how many attempts there was before the final one. Bones5 is trying to take Minecraft Speedrunning luck values, which can genuinely be cut and dry proof of cheating, and apply them to FNAF where it isn't.
@@Vegito_FanpageOf course he is, that’s where the views are.
The fact that he wasn’t uploading it for any accolades or anything I don’t care that much, heck tbh he was probably just tired of tying the game mode and didn’t want comments demanding he play it again (that was very early CZcams where people regularly did try and demand those kinda things from CZcamsrs)
Fnaf 2 was frustrating as hell for me, so I can't really say I'd blame him. Especially when his audience was a lot of kids back then. I don't think I'd put in that much effort, either.
Especially since we all know people would pester him to death if he never did it.
Doesn't really matter, was a decade ago, and it's old content. Markiplier seems like a genuinely decent person, I highly doubt he would fake something like that just to have status. Who needs THAT kind of status when you're a CZcams titan?
Hey, i get why he did it, but he did get extremely close to finishing it, so it was clearly possible. At the end of the day, he did cheat and lie about it, regardless of why.
7:56 “Why does Markiplier need a moment to calm down after what most consider the tensest FNaF Custom Night? This is evidence he cheated, and the fact that he didn’t do this with games that aren’ as tense where he was clearly more collected, combined with the fact that he could’ve cheated, means he did”
Also, “Toy Freddy would’ve appeared in the hallway, which lowers hid odds of success” name one moment in that clip where he shines his light down the hallway. He fails to flash after Withered Freddy because of movement in the hallway and then wins before he can try again.
Edit: Please stop arguing against me if you can’t be bothered to read my comment. If I’m trying to say he got the odds wrong in the video, don’t tell me that means I didn’t watch it. The fact that I left a timestamp for the section I’m talking about indicates that I had to watch it to find the timestamp. Mark NEVER shines his light down the hallway, upping his odds by a factor of 4^4, or 256, up to 1/2048.
Edit 2: Look, more evidence! Saying odds are low doesn’t make things impossible. This isn’t Dream, it’s not literally in the millions, it’s a couple thousand. Also, let me point out that saying 1/2048 is too high for someone playing the game for hours and hours at a time doesn’t account for things like CZcamsr and steamer Backseat Streams getting Golden Freddy to spawn TWICE on a casual playthrough of FNaF 1, which is a 1/1264869225 chance. Which is more likely? Someone randomly getting a 1/1264869225 chance occurrence without trying, or someone trying over and over again and eventually getting a 1/2048 chance success?
That still doesn’t explain anything. Even disregarding toy Freddy, the odds are rediculously small. It’s just really weird how the full, unedited footage of the night was never shown, and how the footage was cut. It’s OK to admit he likely cheated btw, it’s 10 years ago and doesn’t really mean anything.
@@bluerious5475 A 1/2048 chance is too small for you? Toy Chica also doesn’t matter because he never shines his light, and saying that the odds are small doesn’t matter when he’s been known to try these things for literal days at a time. The odds for those 18 seconds fails to incapsulate the fact that he got as far as he did in the first place, which already takes more luck than in that clip.
Edit: I suck at math sometimes, it’s 2048 not 1024 lol.
@@username5155 The odds are wayyyy less than 1/1024, did you even watch the vid? Nobody cares that he cheated, accept it and move on
@@username5155 did you watch the video? It’s a 1/500,000 chance at MINIMUM. Also, Toy Chica’s presence would still be noticed with the vent sounds, which are directly addressed in the video itself. Plus, getting far in 10/20 isn’t even that crazy luck wise, it mostly requires skill and the biggest wall is Toy Bonnie’s RNG.
@@user-wx6ms9rv2m I watched the video, but read my comment? Read it before you say I’m wrong. Again, give me the timestamp for Mark shines his light down the hallway. Give me ONE time that happens. You can’t because he doesn’t.
It's unbelievable to think that nearly 10 years later someone made this discovery, honestly Bones is so impressive and underrated (especially his fnac shadow rat and cat modded hardmode win) also I can't wait to see what Mark says, cus honestly it was nearly a decade ago, I don't think anyone really cares
ya but fnaf 2 when mark beat it was almost a completely different game. so his odds are extremely off. not to mention hes like completely ignoring the fact that mark was grinding that mode and had been doing it for 7 - 9 hours straight before he won.
@@Hannahs_Mustangs Bones mentioned in the video that the only change from then to now was a small changd to some of the interval timers, not affecting the odds at all since there would still be 3 movement opportunities in the 18 seconds. It's not a completely different game, it's almost exactly the same as it was when it came out
He had a reputation of being the king of fnaf it makes sense he would cheat so that his rep wouldn't be tarnished 😂
Imagine going back 9 years to "debunk" a video, not a speedrun, a video. Unemployed behaviour in its finest.
Would find it funny if markiplier went ahead did a full unedited video beating fnaf 2 20 mode and then just gives a thumbs up at the end
What's funny is that I vaguely remember being like: 🤨
When I got my 3rd star for the first time like almost a decade ago, and thinking back to Markiplier's video. Probably just thought that Scott changed some rewards afterwards
I’d like to see mark confront this claim
Gonna admit here that even if mark did cheta i dont godk it against him 10/20 is actually bullshit unfair and it remains as something unbeaten for me to this day