The TECHNICAL FNAF Iceberg Explained (1/2)
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
- In this iceberg explained video we cover some of the technical knowledge behind the FNAF games, along with some entries that relate to extremely hard challenges within the games, and max modes. I've seen many icebergs about FNAF on youtube, but never one about the technical aspect of it, so I thought I'd make a video covering it. This will be a 2 part series, this is part 1.
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If you'd like to view any of the music used in this video, here's a link to the google doc that I store all of it on: docs.google.com/document/d/1x...
Video Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
1:05 - Tier 1
5:35 - Tier 2
9:28 - Tier 3
14:46 - Tier 4
19:13 - Tier 5
26:46 - Outro
Thank you for watching :) - Hry
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I made a mistake at 12:57, the animatronics move if the number generated is lower than the animatronics AI value, not higher. I can't believe I've said this in so many videos and forgot it here
I noticed that I missed two entries in this video on tier 5, I'll cover them in part two.
Also flumpty’s is made in game maker, not clickteam, my bad
Expect part 2 to come out either after the next challenge video, or after the UCN video, depending on how far along the UCN animation is by that point.
Yo, wassup! Recognize me, TheBones5?
Can You Make A Vid Of Fnaf 4 Without Audio, Or Fnaf 3 No Audio Lures
I was confused when you said that yeah
That would mean animatronics almost never move LMAO
With how people see Markiplier celebrate after all his "custom night" modes, we have to remember when he completed them, the games were still new. A lot of the new strategy to beat the 7th nights a lot easier were not around when people first played the game when they came out. That's also the reason why people see them as hard, the easy strategies weren't known yet.
Markiplier also refuses to use cheese strats like cam 4b
Yes, every time he says the custom nights are easy he says something like "with this strategy you can win almost every time" but there was no strategy then, and any person now who try the game without any knowledge of those startegies will have a hard time beating them
Thats why he is known as the KING of FIVE NIGHTS AT FREDDYS!!!!!
@@kyzerbuhnzi6403 czcams.com/video/mqIhygi1CNA/video.htmlsi=8AQXyFv0PytnA18Y
@@kyzerbuhnzi6403 nah he just didn’t know about them they aren’t cheese strats they’re the game working as intended
DJsterf is indeed the king of fnaf.
Correct, all hail DJsterf, king of FNAF.
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SPIGGMA APPEARANCE HIIIII
Spiiiiiig
Dj Sterf is different breed
Tbf, chickenninja wasn't _responsible_ for postshift 2 being called the hardest fan game, he was told that by a lot of comments on a video where he called Mechanism hard
on top of that a lot of mainstream fnaf youtubers also called it the hardest fnaf fan game, i heavily doubt chickenninja was that serious about his claim given how many fnaf fan games there are
Also a lot of the games he claimed that are "harder" than post shift two are unfair garbage that you could find in itch io
Also post shift 2 is flat hard to beat, a completely different sentence from "this is the hardest challenge mode". There are VERY different ways of measuring the difficulty of a game, and using just this ONE interpretation to laugh at it being considered the hardest is flat stupid and elitist.
I don't really care about whether it is the hardest by any metric, I just hate how the list made is just flat wrong because it only cares about one single aspect to claim multiple games are harder therefore it can't be the hardest. I am sure you can pick any souls game in the soulsborne series and find a way it is the most difficult, because Dark Souls 2 is simultaneously one of the easiest to no-hit and beat outright, and the hardest to no hit if you beat ALL bosses.
@@lunaw2174 I thought so too. Post-Shift 2 has made every night a living hell with poor tutorials, leaving you sitting for hours or days on just one night before you even understand it. Most fangames on the list only have a single extra hard night that surpasses Post-Shift 2, but the main game can be beaten easily.
Yeah, but it is a legitimately difficult game. "Impossible" does not translate to "difficult," and the patched version of ps2 is fair to beat. Similar to how 50/20 mode is difficult, but it is beatable and pretty well-made.
3:05 Mark COOKED with these thumbnails. Especially with withered foxy.
I can't really blame people for thinking fnaf 2 max mode is impossible, on a game design standpoint, the game sucks horribly; you shouldn't need a freaking timer, use exploits, and all of this hidden knowledge in order to defeat the challenge, especially since golden freddy isn't even capped correctly, the actual 10/20 is much less agonizing.
The game wasn't designed for 10/20 mode. Scott didn't know if it was even possible to beat.
I think ChickenNinja saying PS2 is the hardest fnaf game is relatively fine for the non ball sweaty community. Most people have never even finished a fnaf game let alone heard of the harder games.
There are a few that are still well known and harder, base FNAC 3 has final night all challenges, Five Night's At Chuck E Cheese rebooted has like 18 million different max modes, twisted 27 from animators hell, obiltus casa etc. i'd say are all pretty well known
@@TheBones5 Excluding mods, the hardest modes completed (including self imposed challenges) are True Nightmare All Challenges from Five Nights at Chuck E. Cheese's: Rebooted, 70/40 Mode from Ultimate Nintendo Night 2, GRADUATION DAY from Shifts at Big Q's, True Nightmare Aggressive Long Nights from Five Nights at Chuck E. Cheese's: Rebooted, and Final Night All Challenges No Stalling from Five Nights at Candy's 3 :p
@@TheBones5 Quick question: is the post shift 2 on the list 1.0.0? Or is the one post patch that made the game easier?
@@emperorlewd Post-patch, we haven't placed pre-patch since it isn't that much harder than post-patch.
Let out an audible "fuck yes" seeing this pop up in my subscriptions feed. The weird technical side of FNaF games is a topic that deeply intrigues me, and you're always great at explaining it. Can't wait to watch this.
I dont think ChickenNinja should be knocked for thinking that Post-shift 2 is the hardest fnaf game, given he isn't really part of the max mode community
not to mention, in the heat of the moment, anything can feel like the hardest (like penors ahaha)
Not only that, it was the pre-patched version of Post-Shift 2, and other people swore above earth and back that it was the hardest game, this video didn't really state that it was version 1.0
What? Half of the video isn't an explanation of an Iceberg?? 😢😢😢😢
so sad 😢😢😢😢
12:57 small correction, it moves if the number generated is lower than the animatronic's AI value, not higher. If the number had to be higher than he AI value, then at AI 1 they'd almost always succeed and on AI 20 they'd never succeed.
Im so happy the “Technical Fnaf” community is becoming a more mainstream element of the broader fnaf community. Ive always been fascinated with these games and their mechanics, down to their code. Especially in games like FNaF 4 and 6.
This video was very informative and showcased a very clear understanding of these games. Cant wait for part 2.🎉
Honestly I think post shift 2 should be called the most difficult fnaf fangame to understand instead of being the hardest ... I had 23 differents seizures reading the tutorials lmao, or maybe I just have terrible reading comprehension
Yeah that’s what’s hard about it, you have to read a SHIT TON of stuff, but beyond that, the actually mechanical skill isn’t past top 80 ML
This video felt a bit too agressive towards markiplier.
Why Hate the King?!!!
I feel like not enough people know that Foxy is stalled by using any cam in FNAF 1, not just the camera facing Pirate’s Cove. Meanwhile Freddy is stalled by directly looking at him, so you can stall both Freddy and Foxy by just looking at Freddy.
You can basically find that trivia plastered over every comment section if the content creator happens to not know of it. But yeah it'll be unknown to anybody that has only surface level knowledge of the game. Tons of people _to this day_ have no idea how Freddy works
@@namesmitt I already know this creator knows (it would be damn crazy if they didn’t know XD), I just mean that it should be on the iceberg. This trivia only became recently well known within very recent years, surprisingly enough, so TONS of fans still don’t know it.
Bro is cooking again
so real
LET HIM COOK!
He always was
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I believe that the other main lasting effect of Tech Rules is that he coined the term "movement opportunity", as I've never not heard anyone use it since. Also, I'm with others on needing a bit of a clarification: Is that 90th position pre- or post-patch? Because ChickenNinja was specifically playing pre-patch PS2.
The mode placed is pre-patch. However, the mode is overrated & will likely be moved down.
I also love explaining to people that 20/20/20/20 mode has a very distinct (and abuseable) advantage over any other difficulty: the animatronics only stay at your door for a very brief moment no matter what. Meanwhile in 1/1/1/1, the animatronics can stay at your doors for hours
I dont understand he didnt explain what a iceberg chart is
That made me laugh more than I want to admit 😂
With hundreds or even thousands of FNAF games, Post Shift 2 places in the smallest marginal percentile of the hardest FNAF games. And it is hard for unique reasons, just as any of the other top 100 hardest FNAF fan games. I can excuse people assuming PS2 is the hardest because of this, especially considering that majority of the hardest games are fan games of fan games or something no one has ever heard of
Especially since most of the games that were listed to be harder are just "Better" or "Improved" versions of existing games that were designed give the player a headache with how much they would have to juggle mentally, along with getting screamed in their face every other minute or so.
@@Crazykiller_Wez FNACECR:
@@Crazykiller_Wezoblitus casa:
@@abm2137 I said MOST, not all. Oblitus Casa is a damn good game though, from what I've seen. But take the entire clip for all it's worth, and you get multiple games that are made to be testicular cancer for the average fnaf fan. Yes, I know the Max Mode list is made for those who wish to contract such conditions, but most of them are under the hood reworks that only select few who actively look out for them would play.
@@TheBones5 The second half of the original comment sums up what I would have to say about this.
That is to preference: "What the Hell is even that?!"
I love the galaxy 2 backgrounds lmao
Crazy how much internal work and effort is put into this click team games, I think it’s what truly makes the series shine and allows for countless strategies and techniques for beating the game in, the variety carries the replay-ability IMO
doesn't chickenninja say post shift 2 is the hardest prepatch and not the full version or does the hardest mode list take that into account.
pretty sure he did it prepatch
Even then on pre-patch, it isn't much harder.
The list does take pre-patches into account however Post-Shift 2's pre-patch isn't significant enough.
22:20 small correction: Flumpty's was made in GameMaker, which the creator said in his ONAF3 developer commentary video
Basically the ultimate "Um, actually 🤓☝️" iceberg. Nice
I cannot wait for the part 2, those lower tiers look very intriguing, especially the "Markiplier cheated 10/20," I wonder what that's all about.
While I get your reasoning for the dissection of "Markiplier is the king of Fnaf", it really feels like you are downplaying how impressive it was at the time.
Just because we now 10 years later know how the games works in and out, doesn't mean that Marks feats weren't impressive, and especially for the time. Just because we know of several strats now that render it very manageable, doesn't mean it isn't impressive. I think it's impressive he did it without an in-depth knowledge of the technical aspect as we do now, and he has the moniker more because of his consistency in being able to do these, while also at the same time it being uncommon for people to do this
I agree, it really is sad how little he really considers this and is definitely throwing in as much about mark in there as he can for his own gain too, including eluding to him somehow faking his 10/20 completion. I'm noticing that Bones does definitely have the ego of someone who got into fnaf well after all these strats came out so now all he has to do is study the work that other people did for him, and that somehow makes him the best and all knowing or the one who decides what is and isn't impressive with total disregard for the differences in time periods. Him downplaying the whole Markiplier thing is like downplaying the moon landing as easy and not much of an accomplishment because now we have technology 100x more advanced than the computers they used to get there in the first place.
@@slavprinceuro
Here's a document proving that Markiplier cheated his 10/20 completion: docs.google.com/document/d/1bcYibWNt8fSbRJyWF3bjqpWvZoQzKF_7-c4SQiXkb_I/edit?usp=sharing
Here's a video of me completing 4/20 with his strategy in 20 minutes and 45 seconds:
czcams.com/video/mqIhygi1CNA/video.htmlsi=gIK0dga2FTdG2HSO
@TheBones5 after reading the document and seeing markipleirs video I do unfortunately that the fnaf 2 allegation probably might be true, though all it really does is just make my day worse as I doubt this'll be a huge controversy. I still think that just because you beating the fnaf 1 20/20/20/20 with the old strategy changes anything. Sure it is an easy strategy but that doesn't discredit his achievement there, I know and agree that when comparing purely skill that markiplier isn't that good, but he still beat fnaf 1s max mode, and even with that strategy someone not as experienced as you would still probably find it challenging. I tried my best to make a fair argument and stuff, I do not mean any ill will as I do genuinely agree that his fnaf 2 max completion is iffy , when compared to when he beat fnaf 1, and that by skill he isn't the king of fnaf. But I disagree of discrediting his genuine accomplishment, even if it is easy today or as easy as it was back when fnaf 1 realeased, it is still a max mode completion.
@@smollmoth6376 no it's def impressive, ppl seemed to be discrediting me for using modern strats, that's why I included that
Something that I really like about Bones is he doesn’t focus much on lore, but more on gameplay. For Dark Souls, Cuphead, and FNAF. Wouldn’t mind if he did one or another, but the technical part that makes his videos interesting.
He needs to focus on doing the thug shake the rump shake
I have literally never heard anyone say mark is the best (or even one of the best) fnaf player, not seriously at least.
The demonlist mention scared tf out of me
Slaughterhouse guy?
I don’t think 1 FPS is a glitch, it’s an exploit, it’s not breaking any mechanics of the game, the game is still working, and somewhat playable, it’s just at a lower frame rate.
AsumSaus has a great video discussing Glitch vs Exploits, in his “Is Wavedashing a Glitch?” video.
11:57 Isn't cam stalling the term for freezing animatronics by keeping your camera on them (Freddy in FNaF1, the plushie animatronics in UCN) and office stalling the term for delaying/avoiding animatronics by refusing to pull up the cameras? That's what I've always heard.
Yep, what he is referring to is office stalling.
i've heard the UCN stuff called cam stalling before, that's what we decided on in the discord, sorry for the confusion
@@TheBones5 Fair, it's just not what I'm used to it being referred to as. These things are ultimately all colloquial, though, of course. Isn't exactly a manual or dictionary.
As an avid viewer of Iceberg videos, this is genuinely one of the coolest icebergs I've seen in recent memory. Your knowledge on FNaF's technical aspects has always impressed me, so seeing an iceberg based entirely around said topic is really cool, plus it's refreshing to see an iceberg purely about cool technical aspects of the games instead of lore and theories and the like (not saying those are bad, just that it's refreshing to see something unique). I'm most definitely looking forward to part 2, where the most interesting facts and secrets reside.
Something with ctrl+s is that it also skips dialogue in Sister Location. It's because it's a general shortcut built into Clickteam itself and mutes audio. No idea why it skips the salvage tho tbh, guess it needs to play the beginning of Henry's message to start the salvage.
These FNAF icebergs be looking like shakespearian novels istg
2:53 that is a pretty crazy thing to say even if you do have some truth to the argument 😂
This video was so entertaining. I absolutely cannot WAIT for part 2. Hope it comes out soon
Correction on GD, it's possible to create pseudorandomness based on detecting how long the player has held down the input on the current attempt, which is used in levels like Limbo and The Art of the Blade. As of Update 2.2 the random trigger has also been added, which might be used in new top levels.
i cant wait for part 2. ive been loving your videos recently
Great video, can't wait for part 2 and the new challenge video. Keep up the good work man.
The Bonnie teleporting one kinda confuses me cause that connection, makes sense in my head? It is a bit of a jump, but Pirate Cove feels far enough out of the way that it'd make sense for Bonnie to be able to beeline to the hall like that
The Dining Area to West Hall wasn’t a good example. Movements that people have actually considered “teleporting” was Backstage -> West Hall, Closet -> Left Door, or Left Door -> Dining Area
Loving this so far man can’t wait for part 2!!
Fnaf and nuzlocke??? lemme guess
Fnaf world nuzlocke similar to astralspiff's rendition of it?
It would be an interesting cameo
I'm praying for a five nights at fuck boys nuzlock🙏🏾😭
A small fact for 4:39, Dawko was also not the second person to beat 50/20, it was a Brazilian youtuber called MrGuinas, making DJ Sterf the fourth.
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The effort that people put into finding out mechanical parts of video games will ALWAYS be a must watch, its so fascinating
i can't believe how fast you make these, you're awesome
I found this youtube channel like 5 days ago and I've loved every video so far keep up the GREAT content king
Wow, this is actually a really good video dude! Im not kidding, this is so GOOD. I really like this iceberg. I'm also glad that you are spreading awareness of the MML community. Absolutely amazing video. Keep it up!
Love your content, incredibly high quality 👍
Loved the vid, waiting for p2 🎉
Have watched some of your vids without subscribing. I see nothing but good quality vids! You have my sub!!
I don't know if I'm the only person I noticed this but at 19:38 if you pause at that frame you can see that Golden Freddy is actually floating off the floor and not touching the ground
13:08 Possible correction, unless I have the time frame for the video releases wrong, but I believe the channels Uhyeah and Phisnom were among the first to really call PS2 the hardest fangame. Uh Yeah's video should still be up, but Phil's streams of the game were likely taken down when he took down all his other FNAF stuff. If someone popularized calling it the most difficult before them, I have no clue, but they were the ones I first heard call it the hardest FNAF game.
me about to look for a youtube video to watch and you post at a perfect time
High quality video as always sir! I can see you becoming a successful full-time CZcamsr with some more hard work
Glad to see the technical side of FNAF growing popular... I'm relatively new to it, but the thing is that back when I was little I distinctly remember caring much more about that aspect of the game rather than the continously messier lore. I remember I had memorized specific things about the animatronics and how they move that weren't very widespread at the time.
I even tried running a blog about it, lol. I was 7 though, so obviously, that didn't go anywhere.
To be fair, Post Shift 2 is the hardest fangame to watch. The movement makes my head spin no matter how I watch
I like listening to your voice when you are explaining stuff. Keep up the good contents, good sir.
The technical FNAF community sounds elitist as FUCK lmao who cares if ChickenNinja said Post Shift 2 was the hardest? You don't gotta go ranking every other harder game. And Markiplier has repeatedly JOKED about being the king of FNAF. He knows he ain't the best
It really isn't, the point of CN saying PS2 is the hardest isn't a jab at CN specifically it's more so to prove the point of PS2 NOT being the hardest FNaF game since due to CN saying that, a lot of people think it is.
@@sunkenxn It wasn't Chickenninja who first said that. When the fangame first came out, uhyeah called it the 'hardest game yet' on Twitter, and then other people started calling the game the hardest
@@yutavergil Oh I know but CN had more of an effect on it than uhyeah did
I'm not saying CN is in the wrong here by the way, he got told by people that it was the real hardest game when he called Mechanism hard.
This is the only iceberg video where i’ve known nearly everything so far! Usually I’m tapped out by the 3rd tier
can't wait for part 2 !
it was such a weird moment hearing you mention chickenninja42 because i just discovered both of your channels at the same time recently since my obsession for cuphead came back along with my love for fnaf still going strong and you two are the dream youtubers for this
Same
You're like one of the only CZcamsrs who makes watchable fnaf videos. Thanks for not being cringe
40K is this little of time is so insane man, congrats 😭🙏🙏
Amazing video btw
u always have such interesting videos
Challange idea(FNaF 4): Survive FredBear and the other 4 animatronics (freddy, bonnie, chica, foxy) at the same time for the entire 6 minutes.
FredBear allows you to check 4 locations where as nightmare only lets you check 3. so if you don't let foxy in for the entire night, it could be possible.
You’re doing great, boney man.
bro cooked the vid well done
epic vid mate 👍
My man has come a long way keep it up gang 😼
CANT WAIT FOR PART 2
I'm eager to see the 2nd part soon
Ah yes a TB5 upload the highlight of my day :D
ngl from the effort u put into videos to how little subs u have, you deserver atleast 100k+
that max mode list sounds cool i might check it out
real
22:20 I'm pretty sure the ONAF games were made in Game Maker Studio, not clickteam.
Well he said ALMOST every fnaf and fnaf fan game is done in clickteam
Of ALL the fangames he could've shown there, it had to be ONaF
Wow, this is the first one time, when i see something like that. Cool!
Loveing the galaxy 2 for the background
Well now you HAVE to play Five Nights with Thug Hunters.
Finally an iceberg where i dont already know all the entries!!
22:48 bro no shot just randomly mentioned geometry dash in a fnaf iceberg i didn't expect that 😂
for real, caught me so off guard haha
I never was never planning on watching this till I watched the video on the second channel and realizing this was technical related so yeah, also all the Mario galaxy music and background stuff is peak lmao
Waiting for part 2!!!
Pls make part 2 this so intresting
14:17 how hard is that night?😠
Yes king 👑🫨
How hard is that night 😡
Amazing 😍
The best thing about this video is the reveal that Five Nights with Thug Hunters exists
One thing you could of mentioned is how freddy and foxy work in fnaf 1, now it's really common knowledge, but a lot of new players/ people who just watch videos dont seem to understand that camera stalling exists, or that you dont have to look at foxy's camera to keep him from attacking, just use the cameras
the goat has posted
“Hardest max mode” is heavily dependent on if you know the strats or are going in blind.
As a FNAF fan game developer... This video will be very entertaining! :)
Hey! I'm outing myself as the person who made that comment about 10/20 mode being the hardest Max mode!
The reason I thought this was not because of Markiplier. I thought this because I watched the 10/20 guide and the 50/20 guide from DJ Sterf. I'm not sure if the 10/20 strategy he laid out has since been outdated or if I was comparing apples and oranges by comparing 10/20 and 50/20. I have since learned my lesson and a lot of pro gamers have smacked me into submission in the replies. I have since recovered from my ignorance.
I would apologize, but I ended up in a FNAF CZcamsr video. No regrets here.
Never seen someone be so humble about this, props bro
@@TheBones5 I have better things to worry about than being wrong about the spooky bear game.
I need the chickenninja and the bones colab
seeing braden down there makes mee soo happy
19:00 my man called himself out and roasted himself
Wait a second, people have finally started adopting camera flashing cams 4 and 7? That’s how I’ve been playing for YEARS! Glad people are finally coming around to BB being the *true* menace of the game, he’s legit the only reason fnaf 2 isn’t free to win.
LETS GO NEW VIDEO!!!
8:54 That 50 frames to 1050 frames "movement opportunity time" listed for Foxy is actually for the reset function of his locked value (What causes Foxy to force-fail movement opportunities at even A.I. Level 20.). Also not to mention the listed movement opportunity times for Freddy Bonnie & Chica are wrong as well (For example, 299/60 equals 4.98333... and NOT 4.97.).
That’s not even touching on the fact that everyone’s movement intervals are TIMERS and NOT frame-based. He flopped so hard on that section I’m actually baffled
wait really? I thought on fnaf 1 it was frame based and for all the other games it was timer based?
Chicken man probably said post shift 2 is the hard bc unless you're a mega ocean filling sweat, you haven't heard of a third of those games you mentioned
Or just have basic knowledge on the most popular FNAF fan games. FNAC 3, FNACECR, Oblitus Casa, Animator's Hell for example, are all more well known than Post-Shift 2.
Just to make this clear, chickenninja said that post shift 2 is the hardest FNAF fan game because there are so many impossible combos of animatronics and the walking animations. I think he meant that its hard to beat it consistently because of the RNG of the game.
It actually isn't that RNG.
I just started the video, but i already cant wait for part 2. Im very curious about "Fnaf 2 10/20 is the easiest max mode"