Jarlath Burns: his obsession with Unionism, Alan Partridge's genius & what a United Ireland could be
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2024
- Ireland Unfiltered Episode 8 Dion Fanning talks to former Armagh footballer Jarlath Burns
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Not sure how i ended up here but that was fantastic and has opened my eyes to a few things,
From a Northern Irishman.
great interview - confirming my view of how slow and unwilling the republic is to holding out the hand of friendship to the unionists in the north. The same as many turned their back on their brothers and sisters in the north during the troubles. The Dáil was as culpable if not more so than Westminster.
As a republican I look forward to embracing British culture as part of the future of Ireland. I want to be relaxed about looking at it as part of the history of my country. This is only my personal view.
Britain doesn't really have a culture, what will this look like for you? There isn't any customs or traditions in the uk
Great interview. Only started listening recently. Even though they kept popping up in my feed! So glad I started listening
A wonderful interview introducing an incredible guest to me.. stayed the whole course.
Thanks for introducing me to a wonderful man .
Very balanced interview and its great to see that 100 years after partition many are finally beginning to see what it was all about. Its about reconciling the two great Irish tribes and if unification is going to happen the level of Anglophobia in some quarters North and South is going to have to be addressed... similarly any superiority complex Protestants may have had about their Catholic neighbours has to be addressed in equal measure..
Great interview. A really inspiring man
Very interesting interview and thought provoking.
What a great interview love from Australia
When we start to celebrate our differences we will be like a high tide all boats get lifted and the different people and cultures in them boats love from Ireland and Australia
These talks are brilliant Jarlalth Burns was a great player but even better man.
Very intelligent and well read man.
regarding an all-ireland flag / coat-of-arms / anthem, these can be agreed on. there is the harp, shamrock, arms of the 4 provinces and much older irish tunes which can be re-discovered to unite all irish people and from all traditions.
the big sticking point is the british monarchy.
- many unionists could be persuaded into a united irish state with an all-ireland parliament (in their eyes, effectively an extension of what stormont is).
- but losing the british monarchy as their head of state would be very hard for unionists to accept. it is everything that they stand for.
but ofcourse in reverse, nationalist ireland would really struggle to have an involvement from the british monarchy and would want an all-ireland irish president.
thats the real conundrum.
Great interview.
Trained at the same time as Jarlath. Great man and I am a massive fan of Steve Coogan as well
Jarlaith is spot on , respect each other on all levels is the only way we can move on ,
100 present
Inspirational. Go raibh maith agat Jarleth.
great interview
Love it brilliant
I only watched this video to see how Jarlath was pronounced. I’m thoroughly relieved.
Loved so much of that. Great to hear such an enlightened Irishman ....
The only part I took issue with is perusing soldiers. No!
According to the IRA there was a war on. Casualties happen in war...
If that ever happened I assume, Adams, McGuiness Et al would also be persuaded through the courts?
No? didn’t think so. That apart great interview
Great man.and someone I met as a young boy in cregan.
"Young people don't really care about that stuff [flags and emblems]". I've heard that said so many times. As a "young person": I do!
Now there is a grand Irish man.
Gurney is actually from tullyalley in the waterside area of Derry city
A wonderful inspiring man who sees the whole picture, as in keeping with the true meaning of republicanism we must cherish all of our nation both green and orange. We are all Irish regardless of colour or creed.
Nessa The Prods don`t want to be Irish and bombing and shooting them won`t change their mind.
Shocked and delighted that there is such a person from the South Armagh area. It was an absolute pleasure to listen to his honesty. But……. how you come to the conclusion I am superior to you is a wonder, how you reached that conclusion is perplexing. The other part I don’t agree with was an apology for the famine. Lastly you really lost it when you mentioned Cyril Ramaposa. Do you know his story about the frog in the pot of water, and putting it on to slowly boil.
I am glad you welcome strangers such as Muslims into your school. We were treated really bad by the Irish Catholic people. We did you a great service, you just don’t realise it yet.
You would still be paying for your indulgences.
Your a very nice man and I could enjoy your company. I did not feel threatened in any way.
The Orange Order is no threat to the republicans/nationalists either.
If you think all Irish Roman Catholics and Irish Nationalists are bigoted you need look at yourself in the mirror 😂
Jesus he's fantastic
A gentleman
I'm a fan of Jarlath and I loved watching this interview. He said a crowd of darts fans in Dublin booed Daryl Gurney because he's British, but the crowd at that game were split around 50-50 between Gurney and Whitlock, until Gurney gesticulated, he sort of feinted a physical movement at Whitlock after winning a leg. That's when the crowd sided with Whitlock. I don't think it was bigotry or sectarianism, I think it was just neutral darts fans siding with Simon Whitlock who is popular everywhere he plays. Sometimes Gurney is hard to like, he's a very sore loser, and a lil bit cocky. Awesome talent though, people love his walk on but not everyone likes his demeanour. The Dublin crowd were fine towards Gurney all week before that final.
This is why I love the comment section
@@malcolm9123 Ah Gurney has grown on me a wee bit since I saw him shave his head bald for charity. Offstage he seems like a grand lad.
@@ConnbineHarvester I was more commenting on the fact that you dispelled the theory that people were booing him because he was a unionist.
what a man. hope he is president of the GAA one day
United Ireland and independent Wales, Scotland and England would go along way to putting the historical atrocities to bed. Dont understand how people think we'll never speak to each other again if we are all independent.
Cymru Am Byth!
I was disappointed to see Steve Coogan signed a petition against Scottish Independence.
@@onthewattle He's an half arsed comedian who benefits from the make up of the UK. It's no surprise if he was against it. Unfortunately Many Well off, or uneducated Welsh probably share his opinion.
@@onthewattle There is a left-wing argument against Scottish independence - you may know that of course - but I think it's basically along the lines that the bosses will use SI to exploit the workforce both sides of the new border.
marco mint I don’t see how being forced under a conservative government they never vote for is any better for them. England should be left to decide between Labour and Conservative. Scotland and NI need to split and form their own political systems. If NI thinks they’ll be treated well by Ireland and not ignored like they are by the UK then theh should join the Republic.
This man is a genius
Thanks Dion , had a completely different view on Jarlath .. A very intelligent interesting man who broke Donegal hearts often .. beir bua Jarlath beidh tu I do uachtarán maith
And most of us don't give a toss about Catholicism or Protestantism either. These are concepts from a bygone age which, when considered, is beyond belief to us. This is the past we call another country. Sadly, the protestant unionists are stuck in a time warp. Their world view is so absurd from where sit we can only stand, stare (in utter disbelief), pour scorn and laugh out loud.
They think the same about others it really doesn’t matter what side you sit on as long as you recognize the differences and decide to let them define those people you’ll end up without a shared community
If you are English probably majority of England view on Northern Ireland.
Intelligent articulate and an animal over the white line legend
Jarlath For President Of a New Ireland
But for some Orange Order people it's the walking past the homes of the other community is the crux of the whole thing and why they do it.
Many of them are Hypocrites.
Maybe years ago when NI was Orange controlled, hardly in todays NI though... no one side dominates the other in todays society, thank goodness!
Jarlath. Slight mistake. Border campaign and Sean South was in the 1950’s
Great interview with a great man, BUT I wonder, how many families of eight children living in rural areas of the Irish Republic are in the position of living and raising their families within 10 miles of where they were born. Not bad for people who come from a state where they they were so repressed and given (supposedly) few opportunities in life. It certainly didn't happen along the western seaboard where we were all living in glorious freedom.
@Colloquial Soliloquy A bit harsh, there is many people in the South that want a United Ireland and to be united with our Northern brothers and sisters (Catholic and Protestants), the recent surge in support for Sinn Fein in the south shows that.
tony mc g you have no idea what it was like for self identified Irish people in the 6 counties during the troubles...you are been very offensive
@Colloquial Soliloquy But you are generalising all people in the South, it’s simply not true that we don’t or didn’t care about the North and the suffering of the Irish in the North, we did but there was not a lot we could do. We didn’t have arms that we could pick up and head across the border and fight and if we did it would have made the problem even worse. Also, many Irish governments did fall out with the British Government/Thatcher etc during the hunger strikes for example. Please also remember there were people in the south that joined the IRA in the fight for freedom and died for the cause and occasionally the troubles did spill over into the south - the Dublin/Monaghan bombings for example. I hated Paisley growing up as did a lot of people in the South, but in the end he and Martin McGuinness made peace and became friends; Paisley did the right thing in the end.
I think the Irish in the South are still Irish but have embraced the European project which has brought great economic benefits to the South and the EU have stood with Ireland (so far) against the British Government during Brexit in protecting the Peace process and a friction-less border. We are stronger in a bloc of 28 counties than being 1 country standing up to our bigger neighbour across the Irish Sea. What’s wrong with being Irish and European…. Can’t we be both?
We can't change history but we can change the future but it will be done through the ballot box, however remember there are lots of self identified Irish/Nationalist who want to keep the status quo and stay in the UK, all the major political parties in the South support a United Ireland as long as it’s what the majority of people in the North and South vote for.
@Colloquial Soliloquy Ok so can I conclude from your comments that you have nothing but disdain for the South and would not want to join us, therefore remaining as part of the UK in Northern Ireland...would you prefer that?
@Colloquial Soliloquy No I don’t feel ashamed because I personally did not give up on the North and never will. The reality is the 6 Counties are part of the UK and we cannot change OUR island’s history. Even if you are right in saying the South gave up on the Irish in the North, its history now. You have to let it go, reconcile your feelings of betrayal and move forward. How the hell can we unite if you won’t move on from the past?
As a soft southerner with very little nationalistic feelings I always thought the marches on the 12th and throughout the year were very provocative and unnecessary.
Just because it has been done down thru the years doesn’t necessarily make it a good idea.
Like fox hunting or hare coursing it might have been a good idea at some stage but not now.
Any marching or provocation by any side over another is only going to perpetuate ill feelings.
Btw I don’t really agree with a united ireland, certainly not unless unionist strongly want it.
I think things are fine as they are or make N Ireland an independent state a part of Europe.
Everyone’s wishes and views are important to them whether they are correct or not.
It is strange that the north always thought and possibly quite rightly too that we were the more backward part of the country, now it seems to be the other way around.
When I lived in Germany years ago a local said to me the he considered any country that has a strong religious line running thru it to be backward and I think he is right.
I live at the most southerly part of the country and grew up hearing about the north on the news and it sounded like a crazy place compared to the rural bliss that I lived in and I never ever wanted to visit there and would you believe it the first time I was there was the morning of the Omagh bomb in Omagh.
We were about an hour down the road home when we heard of the bomb.
A v strange sliding doors moment.
So you don't agree with a united Ireland unless unionists "strongly want it". What about nationalists. Is their viewpoint not considered, what if they "strongly want it".
Slight wee mistake there Jarlath, you didn’t mention Supreme Leader Breen
Breen who
Man sounds like a Donegal man,
If the Orange Order are marching for their faith, why do they need to have union flags? Could a proud Protestant from Cork march with a tricolour in an Orange march? Segregated schools are part of the problem in Ireland I think.
Dont think you have no understanding of the orange order if you think they are marching for there faith
Because the Monarch of the UK holds the title of Defender of the Faith. They are the head of the Anglican Church. It's for the same reason you might see a Vatican Flag at catholic events.
I'm not sure if its the same deal for presbyterians or methodists tho. Not sure about that one
It's because after William of Orange came to the throne, and it became a constitutional requirement for the Crown to be protestant, the Orange Order formed specifically in support of the monarchy as a protector of their faiths from persecution or interference from the Pope. The reason that Scottish-style protestants in Scotland and Ulster became so intensely royalist and pro-Union, was that their fear was more widespread and intractible than the fear felt by English-style protestants who weren't seen as quite as heretical by the RCC, nor vice versa. They've since then been influenced by other threats and events, like the pIRA, and the ROI's desire to rule them. These are seen as vaguely related to the original threat due to the fact that they happen to come mostly from Roman Catholics.
@@northernwhatshapping6724It's about secatarian triumphalism and Irish Republicans love exposing them😂
@@compulsiverambler1352Ulster Scots Presbyterians /Dissenters would wanna grow up 😂come into 21st Century
Amazing man. Only thing I can contest is this idea that unionists aren't "Irish". I understand that Jarlath says that playing GAA allowed him to be Irish... but what was stopping him from being Irish? I would say that nothing was stopping him being Irish other than a very narrow idea of what is Irish, as held within the republican community. Everyone on this island is Irish, and orange culture is as Irish as green culture is Irish, unfortunately the hard green as so obsessed about what is real Ireland and proper Irishness they have alienated their opponents from even associating with the word or identity.
Agreed, and when you consider that some of the Protestants/Unionists may come from families who have been in Ireland for 16 generations (4 generations a century x four centuries) how can they not be Irish?
marco mint...merely because they refuse to integrate, fly the British flag and have spilt the country up into another official state, thanks to their unwillingness to be irish. Read a book
Orange culture, yeah, a hate filled divisionist order
@@andlidearmadta9680 they are Irish. May very well be hate filled. But definitely Irish. It's even in the title of the grand lodge.
Jarlath, Martin o'Neill, brolly. good voices, good sportsmen great Irish men. These and other voices will pave the way to unity.
Dear dear dear alot of people havnt a clue what they are even talking about on here concerning unionist in tbe north and the basic history of why and how ireland has been split for so many years. Especially when there has never been a unified country until partinsion. Before England or should I say the Norman's concerd the land mass that is called ireland it was land made up of many little kingdoms and because of there constant war with each other invited the normans to invade on one side against the other
Great bloke. The strange thing for us in Britain, is that most of us don't consider ourselves as British. It's a meaningless concept. We say we are English Welsh or Scottish who live on an island called Britain.
Yes Gilbert, the old concept of Britishness started to die when the Republic left the UK. Maybe we are seeing the final breakup of the UK into regional parliaments. However just like Scandinavia, we all still retain a common culture, Britishness is maybe a controversial term in Ireland for it, but there should then be a new term created for our 'common travel area'!!
Your less British than Ulster Unionists and Loyalists 😂
"Brexit wont happen." Well that prediction ended well.
Chucky Ar La
Really great and insightful comment there 👍
@@PK-sc2vnTriofadh ar Lá means or time will come meaning 32 county Irish Republic nothing else is what Irish Republicans want they don't have any affection for British Crown/monarch or royal family
Jarlath Burns doesn’t understand a thing about Brexit, that’s very clear. No understanding of the concept of democracy.
He then goes on to talk about persuading British Unionists into a United Ireland. Somehow, I don’t think he as a Republican would (or could) be persuaded to embrace the United Kingdom so why does he expect unionists to embrace reunification?
Unionism isn’t threatened by the GAA he says? Needs to look at the basic aim of the GAA as set out in the rule book. It talks of a 32 county national identity which is at odds with the very point of Unionism identity.
Hardly surprising that he says he reads a lot to try and understand unionists because it sounds like he still hasn’t a clue.
It’s very simple. Unionism is an emotional attachment to the very existence of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
That’s all there is to it.
But then again, a man who doesn’t understand Brexit or unionists or even Catholicism and then ends the discussion by invoking Godwin’s law doesn’t strike me as the sharpest blade in the box.
I think Jarlath Burns knows a lot more about everything than your narrow mind can comprehend
Ciarán King
That’s some response. Wanna elaborate upon that or would it hurt your head to think of one?
How can you say that he has absolutely no understanding of unionism when at 35.14 he states "we can't talk down unionist fears".... that therefore shows that he has an understanding of unionism.....and also how the overwhelming nationalist/republican majority of south armagh must embrace the small minority of unionist/protestant neighbours and through small gestures of letting orangemen use the car park of his school when there are functions on in the orange hall goes some way in showing that orangism/unionism/protestism should be embraced and not shunned in what is an overwhelming nationalist area..... So to say that he has absolutely no understanding of what unionism is or is about is a ridiculous statement to make
Ciarán King
Like Burns, you haven’t quite grasped it either.
Read what I wrote. Unionism is about the belief in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
I’ll say it again - Unionism is the belief in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Thus, unionists fear is the loss of this union. So when Burns talks about letting orange men use car parks or whatever, he misses the point entirely.
And so have you it seems.
Whatever..... Can't even be bothered arguing with u anymore
Don shows his emotions way too easy, really poor for someone who thinks hes special journalist.
Leave your feelings at the door, think he would of shown these view/ emotions even more he didn't have a positive past with Jalarth. ummmm
Great interview.