Armed Police Escort - 66422 + 66432 + Devonport Nuclear Flasks + 66421 return in Bristol,15-12-20
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- čas přidán 15. 12. 2020
- The return of The Flasks from Devon ..66422 + 66432 + Devonport Nuclear Flasks + 66421 working 6X86 Devonport Royal Dockyard to Sellafield British Nuclear Fuels Ltd in Bristol on the 15th December 2020..
1st Clip :- 66432 + 66422 + Barrier Coaches + 66421 - 5Z74 Crewe to Devonport @ Horfield Bank 14-12-20 (already posted this vid)
2nd Clip :- 66422 + 66432 +Coach + Flasks x 2 + Coach + 66421 6X86 Devonport to Sellafield @ Parson Street Station
3rd Clip :- 66422 + 66432 +Coach + Flasks x 2 + Coach + 66421 6X86 Devonport to Sellafield @ Lawrence Hill
**So Many Armed Police On Board** - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Looks like part of a gta 6 mission if it was to be set in the U.K.
All you had to do....
Probably not though. Even from the publicly-available data, the flasks these things transport weigh upward of 60 tonnes, which even the larger cargo planes of today struggle to carry.
Oh, not forgetting that the moment this train gets hit you'd more than likely have _EVERYTHING_ thrown at you. QRA, the nearest military assets, the works.
@@adder3597 "Nothin' Trevor Phillips Enterprises can't handle!"
"The only proper thing to be done was to catch the bloody train, CJ sir!"
Very interesting, used to see a nuclear flask train quite often, never in this sort of setup though.
Most nuclear flask trains are carrying power station fuel, which is low-enrichment. This train is fuel for nuclear submarines, which is much more highly enriched. Not enough to make a bomb, but they're still much more careful with it than regular nuclear fuel.
@@beeble2003 Think you mean spent nuclear fuel. You don't need a flask for new fuel.
@@tomroland2315 Pretty sure you do. New fuel is radioactive and needs to be protected in the event of a crash. Are you sure new fuel doesn't go in flasks?
But you're right that this particular train is carrying spent fuel.
@@beeble2003 A secure container makes sense. Spent fuel is a radiological hazard due to fission products which are strong beta and gamma emitters. So flasks containing spent fuel are usually very substantive and very heavy, Magnox M2D's weighed 50 tonnes apiece. The risk to new fuel is having it nicked or having it damaged.
This would be a great James Bond movie introduction to set up a fight scene!
You don’t want to give the bad guys any ideas.
What, villian steals some, bond fights them, police shoot bad guy, gets carried away by drones
Nice footage Kev, the Civil Nuclear Constabulary didn't take the name of British Nuclear Police (which would have made an interesting acronym). As far as rail transport goes they only use the escort coaches for the marine flasks, otherwise they are in the rear cabs of the rear locos on regular flask workings. As a side note we have an old BR Nuclear Escort coach at the ELR, we use it as a workshop and dayroom (we used it as a staff-sleeper at one point too) and it's pretty interesting as it has a cab at one end and was driveable like a DBSO, it also has escape hatches too for use in a fire fight.
So on every normal nuclear flask working there is an armed police officer from the civil nuclear constabulary one the rear loco?
@@charliestrains9826 I believe so, there's always some guys in the rear cab whenever I've got them between Sellafield and Crewe.
@@Phil6219 had no idea there was such a thing as a Nuclear Police Force - the crazy things you don’t know about unless you’re in “the loop”. 🤷🏼♂️🙀✌🏼
lol imagine telling your friends that you work for the bnp. that'll be an interesting conversation
@@MIK33EY lol this isn't something thats new or anything to do with nuclear most countries will always have an armed unit with it. As its considered high risk. Espciailly with high grade uranium fuel.
It’s manned by officers from the MOD police. They always have been since Devonport took up sole maintenance. CnC (former AEAC) cover the power stations.
Great video Kev. Interesting info with it too. Learnt a bit more through it.
I worked at a nuclear site that had MoD deliveries of this type. They were always escorted by armed MoD Police and they had dogs as well. They stayed around until the material was dealt with.
Cool catch, first time I've seen armed police with the flasks.👍
Great shots 👍
Wow that must have been a surprise. ....no chances taken.....3 66's.....jeeeeesus! ....... very unusual working and great u caught it . . Excellent footage as usual. ..btw.....CZcams is RUINING some great channels with RIDICULOUS amount of adverts inserted....I'm glad yours isn't one of them. .and therefore I'll keep watching and enjoying your uploads. .....excellent Kevo 👍
I do not see adverts on YT as I use a adblocker lol really useful to have
@@androandrejevic3002 Same here 😊👍
@@androandrejevic3002 same here
I have subscribed to CZcams premium for 15£ and I don’t see them 😁
Cool catching one of the naval spent fuel trains.
A lot fancier than the old "Money Train" we used to run on the NYC subway - that was disguised as a dirty old work train (which it was) .... so much less cash is used now that they transport it in trucks
Did you work with officers snipes and harrelson ??
We in UK used to move cash by rail, but then we had a bit of an incident in 1963...
...which resulted in £2.6million being stolen...
@@moonshapedabsolution I blame Phil Collins.
It’s so strange to see those flasks in the middle of normal rolling stock. I wouldn’t have known what it was if I’d not been told.
I see the "Nuclear Trains People's Militia" have gone next level..
Don't worry. Most of these 'doomwatch' organisations turn out to be one nerd up in his Mum and Dad's attic.
Superb, thanks.
Love how flasks get top & tail but when a passenger train fails we have to wait for a rescue, my god they really hate paying customers don't they!
Very beautiful vídeo! I like trains! Thank you so much!
Very nice Kev cheers Steve ..
Great catch Kev, hope you evade the long arm of the law!
Its even better when she runs into HMS Drake the track is awsome it goes through tunnels and towers right to the submarines.
This would make an awesome model train pack with the drs Mk2 brakes and nuclear flask wagons
Revolution Trains make the two flask carriers in N Gauge and Graham Farish made the DRS coach
Awesome footages!
Saw this train going to Crewe at Euxton without the flasks and ECS 641K 1803 Carlisle Kingmoor Sdg(Drs) to Crewe Coal Sidings (Drs) Saturday night
Guess you could call that a rare cop!😂. Joking apart, great footage.
What a great capture
Interesting I used to take one or two large flasks of crushed glass up to Sellafield in a 40tonne truck, I think they mixed it with the spent fuel for storage. ( yes and the police were armed back then at the plant around 1990`s )
That's right, in a process called vitrification.
They do indeed, they look it into things not a million miles away from a heavy glass ashtray or pucks which makes them less likely to break or leak and thus can be handled with little danger to the general public.
Nuclear plants in the UK have had armed guards since day one. The Civil Nuclear Constabulary was formed in 2005; prior to that, they were called the Atomic Energy Authority Police.
Nice catch. Very rare to see those guys
When I worked at Bath road depot they used to come through Saturday night about 2am with armed soldiers on running about 10 miles an hour
Not wishing to be picky but they’re not soldiers, they’re Royal Marines. They belong to a small unit about which very little is known and which avoids publicity. They’re (obviously) specially trained in anti-hijack techniques and containing NBC incidents☠️🦠Not sure how true it is but I was told a while ago that they’re exempt from the FOI Act.....and even if a question does reach the corridors of power, the answer is whitewashed. Those that serve in the unit have to sign a special OSA doc (for obvious reasons) but I’m not sure for how many years it’s binding? 🤫Isn’t it 30 years these days?
The guards sections of the coaches appear to have kitchens fitted in them.
That’s because DRS have stock with kitchens in
@@charliestrains9826 The Breakdown coaches I worked with also had a nice big Kitchen and dinning area, they were converted years ago.
What are in the flasks?
@@joethrelfall6370 Spent Nuclear Fuel, going for reprocessing.
@@joethrelfall6370 - Tea.☕️
thats a great catch
When the train passed I'm sure I saw the armed cops drinking tea in the buffet car!!
We use to have a nuclear flask on the Southminster branchline every week on a Thursday lunchtime & no police armed or not 🤔😳
Great video and 3 Class 66s as one consist, not very common this movement in Devon.
so there are no flak, no mortar, no machinegun nest with sandbags?
No it’s not a movie
Too much ww2 movies lmao
Nope.
But the eye in the sky.
Needs tanks on wagons, apache attack helicopters, artillery guns along the line, space laser, Snipers...
No. Too obvious. Hide in plain sight is the best option.
It's not really a police escort unless it has the class 37 093 in front though. 😉
Last time I saw 37093 was back in the late 80's, I was on a late night train from Doncaster to Peterborough during a weeks rover ticket and woke up at dusk as we we're arriving at Peterborough to see it sat at the depot....amazing sight when you've just woke up lol
Enjoy video thanks very much.
Wow, I need to know when this next is as this looks spectacular
It runs fairly rarely (maybe once or twice a year max) and it's runs with very little notice. It's the closest thing we have to a secret train in the UK. Unless you happen to live on its route it's hard to get.
@@DaveP1991 does it run absolutely anywhere or just that route every time?
@@ArchieWilmott It only runs Devonport to Sellafield. No idea if it uses the same route every time.
Easiest way to catch it is probably knowing when it's leaving Devonport and being somewhere between Devonport and Bristol where there is only one route it can take.
@@DaveP1991 obviously I live in Nottingham so it's gonna be a hard one I think 😂
@@ArchieWilmott you can always have a holiday in the Lakes (when we're allowed again) - and pick them up at their destination. Line south of Sellafield all the way to Carnforth.
Very nice :)
The nuclear trains used to pass by my flat in Battersea, London regularly.
They still do, I see them often go by Clapham Junction
Also through South Hampstead also.
I couldn't believe my eyes when one went through Peckham Rye station at 2 in the afternoon a few years ago.
Nice catch!
Good catch; I never known of that happening before; have you?
Thx.they have run before through Bristol in the last few years
I used to deal with Nuclear flasks all the time when I was based at Warrington, there was no sign of a policeman, of any description, only a guard sat in an old freight brake van, at the rear. How times have changed.
This is different nuclear waste than the power stations
@@swearingkevo I know but it`s still dirty stuff that the wrong people would love to get their hands on.
@@swearingkevo different? Spent uranium i am guessing same as the powerstations produce . Think there is more to this than that if honest , been a few things happening later that suggest that something is happening or has been threatened that we have not been made aware of.
Different because military fuel used for propulsion has a much higher enrichment level than that used in power station reactors. HEU is far more “desirable” should we say for those who may wish to use it for purposes other than that it was intended for.
@@topps100 yes i get that but was this police escorted before?
Its intriguing some people could be sat on a platform and have no idea what this is! I know CNC do international sea escorts on board ships. Maybe those officers are returning from that.
No, they're guarding the cargo, which is nuclear submarine fuel. It's more highly enriched than power station fuel, so they're keen for it to stay under close supervision.
Wow nice one.
Im surprised that the security role is not handled by the Royal Marines. 43 Commando (Fleet Protection) are tasked with the protection and security for the UK Nuclear deterrent.
The description suggests that this is reactor fuel, not bombs.
Can't buy a pack of crisps on a sleeper but then get a full on buffet car with a microwave. lol Nice find though!
How come the armed police were on the flask workings?
Don’t think i’ve seen that before, great catch!
Liam
Because it nuclear waste from submarines, Very dangerous if it gets into the wrong hands
@@swearingkevo oh must need guarding then lol,
Bet thats alright for the police though, they get a free bash on a 66😂
Take it easy, Liam
I'm sure I saw this train going through Euxton balshaw lane station
Never seen one like this before. I live near Dockyard, Keyham . Other spent fuel trains I have seen haven't had coaching stock as consist
I live near the mainline, but I dont remember ever seeing coaching stock or armed police with the nuclear trains
@@thomashambly3718 They're only with the trains that deal with submarine fuel, which is more highly enriched than power station fuel, so more desirable to the bad guys.
@@beeble2003 oh ok, thanks for the info
I'm shocked that this was on Real Time trains. when I was at Network Rail, for a while, I was the nominated person to plan these movements and i had to be vetted by the Security Services . The timings were not uploaded into TOPS and everything was on a need to know basis, to the extent that even my boss wasn't allowed to know. Any planning meetings it was a case of telling my boss that I was going to a meeting, not asking.
I think they have to like when there's a explosive move to marchwood they put that on rtt
The navy move their nuclear weapons by road, you often see them going to the sub bases in scotland, lol always have a wrecker truck with them in case the prime mover breaks down. But i remember in the 80's when the army moved their nukes by road at night, you would be driving up the M1 at night and then it would suddenly be closed at the next junction whilst it passed. My mate drove in the convoys, 3 trucks, each driver picks a key out of a hat so no one knows who was carrying the nuke and each truck had the same weight in it.
@@cbrboy76 don't the trains carry spent sub fuel
@@southamptontrainspotter553 not sure, its the warheads they transport for the trident missiles on the road, use specially built mercedes actros units. I think most spent fuel goes by rail for most applications. I know the processed uranium fuel rods from capenhurst go by road transport. Lol those drivers get a whole cross chanel ferry just for themselves.
@Credible Threat i think they have to
I remember standing on Grove Park station platform when they used to come through on their way to Dungeness. No armed police then!
I'm not sure why it has to be done with a 3-loco multiple working, can someone explain?
Failsafe if one of the locos break down
Where did you find timings for this?
Real Time Trains
Yes I found it. Thanks!
Very interesting
It’s a nuclear flask train for nuclear submarine waste, I also would guess the armed police are actually military police. If anyone is also interest these wagons are being made in OO scale.
More likely the cnc (civil nuclear constabulary)
Interesting isnt it, i wonder of they require double engines and cars as a spacer? Or everything id a double up for redundancy?
All nuclear trains are double headed or topped and tailed for redundancy.
Although generally the one from the power stations don't have as much of an armed escort.
The naval ones do because the fuel rods from submarines are much more heavily enriched than those from power stations
They're not spacers: they're carrying the armed guard.
Was this advertised on realtime? When the royals went on 3 nation tour 10 days ago couldn't find out any information but you have so much information in your comments box about this service.
Yes it was on RTT
I guess 3 locos are needed in case one ( or two ! ) break down ...( ? ) ..........
I saw on real time that was running seems to have only ran recently before hand great capture , yeah used to convey spent Nuclear Fuel from astute class submarine - all top secret wonder when it’ll run again
Are you sure about that? Astute class serviced in Scotland and dont need refueling for 25 years.
@@lesfez1875 my mistake. Trident class?
Definitely not fuel from an Astute class. And not necessarily fuel rods either.
@@mcgherkinstudios pretty sure it is waste fuel from the navy submarines
@@mrhaggit Let’s just say I’m very sure what was in it ;)
Never had police escorts when we despatched flask to sellafield from our power station
There are Passengers on it as Well ?
Only Crew and police
stupid question: why didn't they connect power to the rear loco. power clearly is in the second half of the train since the pax cart is illuminated so why not connect the loco to power and have its tail lights on instead of this hang-on-light.
There's no ETH/HEP on class 66 or power cable between the locomotives at the front to provide power to the rear locomotive, leaving the tail lamps on a shut down loco will eventually drain the batteries. Easier to stick a tail lamp on to avoid this. I assume the coaches will have an independent power generator.
@@jamesinbolton not sure i understand correctly. simply speaking, there isn't a power input on the class66 locos?
since when did the civil police tak over the movement of the devenport flasks they used to have royal marine or royal navy armed guards
Unusual to see armed old bill when truthfully the actual job used to fall to the Royal Marines as part of their nuclear power station, arsenal, oil rigs protection duties but that was a super heavy mob leading to perhaps something spooked them to beef up the protection as most likely consists were maybe a couple blokes in one of the cabs and no coaches.
The RM certainly had a lot of nuclear related work.... I worked with them on some of it when I in the RAF, but not on civil nuclear moves as far as I am aware.
Not sure if these are RMP or CNC (I used to see the latter regularly when I worked near Capenhurst)
@@mrjcfpants This isn’t civilian..... it’s from the RN subs in Devonport NB and therefore falls under MoD(N) responsibility. Some escort duties are carried out by a specialist MoD Police unit, some by a specialist RM Unit. It depends on different factors⚓️
They are atomic energy authority police i think. They have armed escorts with most nuclear material being transported on rail or road.
They are the Civil Nuclear Constabulary.
@@juleshathaway3894 in this case they are Ministry of Defence Police, as the spent fuel comes from RN sub reactors.
@@MontytheHorse I stand corrected, thank you. 👍
The Civil Nuclear Constabulary also escort nuclear material on board ship as far afield as Japan, and are heavily armed too boot.
@@stephenspencer1878 very true, i think they are basically SAS standard officers from what i have been told I watched a convoy of nuclear materials boarding a cross channel ferry once, you did not want to get too close to the security team who were in attendance.
Great video of my favourite all time locomotives (class 66's), but like er, where were all those armed police??
In the coaches?
..................................................on the train.
I would personally believe it more likely to be highly trained, anti-terrorist military personnel, as opposed to 'gung-ho' armed civilian police officers.
@@davidwooldridge7570 we have a thing called the civil nuclear constabulary who deal with most matters of defence for nuclear sites
@@jordanlawrie8331 as far as I understood, Civil nuclear stuff (eg the power plants, Sellafield reprocessing etc) comes under CNC, but military nuclear stuff (in the dockyards etc) comes under MoD Police - not sure where they change over responsibility for this lot though!
Why did it need 3 class 66’s?
Backup for the backup
Would love to have my geiger counter with my while this passes by.
Where were they going to
All in the description
Could the extra security be because sub nuclear fuel is much more enriched ( closer to bomb grade) than power station fuel and therefore much more 'interesting'?
You are correct. If it gets a not the wrong hands then we are in trouble
it has been moved before i am guessing , there is more going on here i think.
No Blues & Twos? Pity.
My local station parson street on the return lol
In 1963, a mail train carrying £2,610,00 in used bank notes didn't have an armed police escort, and it got robbed. I can understand what robbers might want with £2,610,000 in used bank notes, but WTF would they do with nuclear flasks ? What sort of get away vehicle would they take them away with ?
THIS Nuclear waste can be used in weapons , SO it cant get into thr wrong hands
If it was a military transfer from a naval base, Maybe the escort was from 43 commandos?
it will be the nuclear fuel off the trident subs as they the vessels in uk navy with nuclear reactors.even the new aircraft carriers are run on normal fuel.not liek the big usa aircarriers which run reactors to power their ships with 4 per ship and ont have to refuel for 20 yrs or so.which would of been a better option for uk ships really
no, the escort will be Ministry of Defence Police (possibly with British Transport Police liasons)
@@alstorer I'd of thought it would of been The UK atomic energy police.
@@Red-tm1bs no, they're only responsible for civil nuclear sites and associated moves. This is military material (it'll be spent fuel from a submarine reactor)
MoD police
I've never seen this before they could of waved 😂😂😂😂
Excuse my ignorance...why are three very powerful locomotives involved. Very good video by the way, reminds me of Edge Of Darkness.
One on each end because they might not be able to run round and a spare incase it fails
Spare in case of failure
@@jwalker7567 No, it's not there as a generator. One 3300hp locomotive is quite enough to pull a light train like that and supply its electrical needs.
These will be officers from the Civil Nuclear Police, our only fully armed Police force. Their jurisdiction is normally with 5km of a Nuclear site.
And, in this case, they _are_ the nuclear site! :D
NEE NAW ... NEE NAW .
those are not fuel flasks, they are nuclear warhead shipping containers, thats why there are armed guards
what a load of conspiracy nonesense
What’s a nuclear flask?
It’s where nuclear waste is stored during transporting by rail
Why 3 Locos?
Security, in case one fails. this is a highly dangerous substance they are transporting , if it gets into the wrong hands it could be catastrophic , that’s why there are armed police on board
What would happen if you attempted to board?
What police escort is this
The armed police on board
MOD personnel possibly?
will be the british nuclear fuels team, they travel on any mod train like this, they also man/ protect the 3/4 boats they use for overseas stuff like the mv pacific egret for 1. not unusual to also see the likes of the marines or army onboard as well with them
Well , whoever they were they had handguns
@@swearingkevo and a lot more, will have been full automatics on board and a few other bits, have been in the dockyard once a while back ,when one of these trains arrived, believe me they are fully kitted out to deal with a small war if required.
Surprised the hippies haven't tried surrounding it yet 🤣
Why does it need three locomotives the first train
I presume it's a question of redundancy, if one breaks down they can still proceed.
@@shaunyr1 they would need two to break down with such a low number of carriages
I assume the rear one so they can change direction quickly if needed.
The commercial wagons was to make it look like a normal train?
No
@@swearingkevo passengers inside did not look like they were defense.
Excuse me for not knowing, but why does this need 3 locomotives? 1 of these Locomotives should easily be able to pull 5x what they had there
Normally 2 minimum as a redundancy measure i case of breakdown, they have less chance of long term stoppage due to the high risk cargo
At a guess, because Class 66 are freight locomotives, they don't generate head-end power. So they put a locomotive at either end in case they need to reverse quickly, and a third one serving as a very large and heavy generator car.
Whenever the Dutch royal family travel by train (which is rare these days) they put a 1700 class electric locomotive at either end, with in between the royal carriage (a rebuilt ICR 1st class coach with added skirting) and two ICR first class coaches. If they travel over non-electrified lines, which is even more vanishingly rare, there are two 6400 class diesel locomotives, with an added 6400 serving as a generator.
Not one armed officer insight, you sure you got the right train?
they are on both the coaches, cant see them that well on vid but i saw them on board
Very rare to see double heading locos in UK, in Australia it is very common.
You get double headers in the UK all the time but not every working as the freight is not as heavy here as it is in Oz
Weapons flasks as opposed to fuel flasks. Never seen those before.
These are spent fuel from submarines' reactors, not from warheads. Until recently all Britain's decommissioned (naval sense) submarines were laid up at Devonport and Rosyth awaiting dismantling of the reactors.
Warheads are moved by road between AWE in Reading and HMNB Clyde
@@stewieatb I didn’t realise defueling was carried out at Devonport. Of course you’re right re warheads, that’s all done at Coulport. I don’t know where I was going with that one, seeing as CASD has been based at Faslane since... forever!
Only thought warheads or weapons grade material had police escorts
it is spent naval reactor fuel rods, not something you want in terrorist hands, a dirty bombs easy to make
It's submarine fuel, it is weapons grade
@@DaveP1991 It's not weapons grade. But it is more highly enriched than power station fuel.
@@beeble2003 UK submarines use Highly Enriched Uranium as reactor fuel and is publically declared as such. Is it enriched to the 80%+ levels of true nuclear weapons cores? No idea, thats classified. But if its being declared as HEU then its above 20% enriched which makes it weapons grade.
@@DaveP1991 No, being enriched above 20% U-235 makes it HEU. "Weapons grade" is 80% U-235 and above. And, by the way, I'm not sure what you mean by "true" nuclear weapon cores -- are you trying to distinguish fission weapons from dirty bombs?
Nukular
Why a police escort?
Because of what the cargo is
@@swearingkevo same cargo that has been in the flasks for decades , why now? Are we on an increased terror level atm? Has there been a significant threat from an organisation?
It's RN cargo, being transferred with MOD Police.
@@littledtraining5387 has it been previously? others say not on here
@@nickedwards2904 this is waste from the Navy’s nuclear submarines, hence the MoD Police Escort. Usual power station waste doesn’t warrant this level of security.
Lmao dunno which plonker would wanna try nick spent nuclear fuel... Unless you wanna be Harvey Price... 😂😂 Or something from the East Anglia Countryside 😂
🤣😂🤣
What a waste of public money
Roberto, from Brazil
It was anything good in the flasks was Nando’s supply of chicken cops 👮♀️ love a nandos
and kept warm for free!
LOOKS LIKE ADVERTS ARE ESCORTING IT AS WELL!!!
I can't see the class 37
What you on about. ? There is no mention of a class 37
@@swearingkevo the police class 37 (the original comment was a joke about the police class 37)
@@welsh_Witch oh so your talking about the 125 advert
have you been questioned by MI5 or MI6?