Do You Need To Program Electronic Injectors? Injector Calibration Files.
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2024
- In this video we injector trim files or calibration files are discussed.
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Finding these 4 year old videos is like gold! May be older but glad its out there. Going to be adding trim codes with my Cat ET and this is the best explanation out there on how to do it.
I am 16 years old and I really enjoy your videos and I am already learning so much keep up the good work
A few months ago a non Cat shop replaced one of my injectors on my KCB C-13. I was asking about the CD that came with it and nobody had any ideal what it was for. The motor runs smooth and not noticing any problems. I have been really worried that their might be long term damage. After seeing this video it helps me sleep better at night. Thanks!
Another great video from my favorite Diesel CZcams channel
Like your informed videos very much! You are a wonderful technical teacher. Knowing your information, and ability to convey your experience as a professional.
Thank you for your excellent presentations!
Happy to be seeing more vids from u!!! And really missed the destruction of the week outro!
Great job as always Josh!
Cars mapped, needed new injectors did them on the drive. Did alright, just down top end power, drove it for a year, before someone asked if id coded them, no, oh bring it here, OMFG, the diffrence it makes to full power is incredible!
Nifty.👌🏻👍🏻 Thanks, Mr. Josh.😎
Just wanted to reach out and say great job Bro ! You have no idea how much help you have been and the money you have saved me! Hats off to you! Hopefully one day we can chat!
Thank you.
On mu 310 exam they ask what will cause a no start in an eui engine and I put incorrect calibration code am I correct
Had a view of this vid. Was working on a C9.3 with #6 chucking up a "not responding properly" code. Sort of guessed that it may have had a new injector installed, but never got the trim code etc to properly get it working and I didn't want to lift the rocker cover. I did a fuel verification test, to see if that would say "recalibrate" the injector without having to get the trim code etc and it worked. But i'll keep your method in the back of my head. Nice find.
Love this channel
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I think the idea of a novice diesel class is a great idea! I would watch
Great information. Thanks!!
This was fantastic, Thank You 👍🏻💯
Love the video great info
Love the videos man!!!
Brilliant little tip I did not know
When first 3406E and 3176B engines they had no trim code at first. So Cat used 1100 as default on 3406E's and 2300 on 3176B's. When new software came out, it was looking for a EUI code.
What I have done, is run a high speed cylinder cut out test. Put engine at high idle and data log the run. Fan, A/C, air compressor not pumping, engine at operating temp. Kill five cylinders and let it run for one minute to stabilize. Kill number one and fire number two quickly, do this until all cylinders are tested and have all cylinders firing again. Look at your data log, mainly engine speed. You are looking for balance on all six cylinders. You could have a cylinder(s) over fueling or worn and under fueling. This way you are putting that injector at one hundred percent rack. I like to kill and then fire to see if that cylinder has the power to pull it back up. If the cylinder is weak and you know the engine will die, you will have to fire before you kill the other cylinder.
A chassis dyno you kill one cylinder at a time.
Thanks for sharing 👍
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nice trick man thanks for sharing
Hi like always very good video informative learning something every day specially from your channel thank you.
Great job
Thank you.
great video !
Nice trick...thanks!!!
good info !
I like these videos, very instructional. What I'd like to see more of though, is actual repair videos. Do you have any of those upcoming? Thanks
very good
Awesome vid... !!!
Well I'm a firmware engineer so I find this shit fascinating
Nice Gandolph picture.
Subtract from 9999? How the heck did someone figure that one out. Obviously that little secret was supposed to remain in house. That's why it's good to keep your employees happy. They're more valuable than you think.
9999 is the maximum number for calibration codes on injectors.
it's commonly done in data communication, to include a small block of 'check digits' along with a string of numbers to confirm that all digits in the string are correct, without simply repeating them. Look up 'parity' or 'CRC' for more info. the CAT 7.1 injector trim file number is actually a 120 bit binary number (like a GUID), printed in hex (base 16, ie hexadecimal, whose digits are all 0-9 or A-F), and the check digits are to confirm all of its digits are correct, so you don't get the entirely wrong file because you missed just one digit in your writing it down...
I’m a fuel injection engineer and majority of trim codes are bull shit. I have fitted thousand of injectors and never bothered. The machine we run injectors on gives you a new code every time. It’s scaremongering. It’d a Diesel engine at the end of the day.
It gives new code because injectors wear out.
Thanks for great information , where is 12 digit number marked on, on side or on top, thanks again
Hey bud can you do video on fls and fts how it works and what its adjusting.. love to more about it..👍
Hey Josh I have a good question for you. I have a 2WS getting less than 5 mpg all the time running it like a grandma lol I just noticed my coolant temp sensor that goes into the side of the thermostat housing is unhooked, but the one on top is hooked up though. My gauge works, my fan wiring is jacked so the fan only comes on on a toggle but my question is, will that one that goes in the side affect my fuel economy? Like is it the one that tells the ECM the temp? Thanks, and love the videos!!
I have 2008 C13 I replaced the medal gasket on the lower turbo drain tube it is still seeping any ideas
I think it would be amazing if you could show us some usefull info/tips on Cat ET program
Best way to tune a Cat motor is a PDI tuner or an older Cat file. The new Cat files SUCK because of the Low NOX files they put in them. PDI Turbo,PDI Tuner,Manifold ect will make the great 3406E AMAZING. Better MPG,Better Power ect. I know this doesnt mean much to this video BUT to anyone trying to tune one of these things right,he's a good simple way.
I have personally set trim files using Texa, so not necessarily a requirement to use Cat ET.
I was wondering if nexik...
Is it true say on a ordered 475hp c15
The sticker on valve cover will say 490hp let's say. So when they run that particular motor on dyno when new it made 490hp with the generic injector code, then they code the injectors to what they are supposed to be off #s on injectors?
Great job ,, weird question, where did you get that hat? It’s pretty cool
On heavy equipment its only for the record I guess I never had any issues not programming them well just cat equipment
thanks for sharing your knowledge you are greatly appreciated even if the videos are boring ? your words lol.. Thanks
I try to make boring subjects as entertaining as possible with my limited humor.
Sweet now i can program trucks to go on a killing rampage thx
I have changed 3 injectors, new head, exhaust manifold. Now am getting 4mpg. Do I need to calibrate the injectors
So can you run an accent without trim files ! They also said ecm needs something with the timing programmed
Intake valve in the intake.
Ouch!
Hi man, can you tell me If 3126B dont need trim files and injetors calibration ?
Sir, good day may I ask some ideas, for hydraulic oil overheating especially WBH 315D -cat
I just inframed a c13 acert for the same issue. Lol
Hello. Does 2005 Volvo FM12 D12D engine injectors need to be coded on replacement?
my c7 engine is not start my vehicle model 330D excavator. Does my injectors need to be programed
please make video on trim file for detroit 60 series
Please Help! Engine works good, but on the MPD "invalid program memory..." how to solve this problem?
Hi Josh always accurate and informative...
I have a 3406E here in Costa Rica my actual inj codes are 6999... is there too much difference between those and 9999?
Fuel consumption and power?
And how can I increase torque?
1LW 3406E at 475hp 1750 lbs torque
Thanks I'm a big fan
Forgot to mention ECM not blocked by code
Actual code is 0000
So I have a 6nz ECU on my 2005 MXS engine, I'm running a 1mm file, I have 4 digit trim codes, 5232 on all 6. Is there a different code youd recommend for my setup?
is it set up for 550 hp? mine is a 6nz 2003 same codes 2080 ft lbs of torque 370 rears. pull 139500 lbs with no problems.
@@crackermcwhitey1364 its supposed to be 650hp according to the late Steven Bradford who tuned it
@@LS1FREEK I had mine done in effingham by the diesel Dr. And the spec sheet says it's 550 hp. Being a different year might make a difference. The person who tuned mine said 600 hp is the highest he would tune it to.
LS1FREEK 5232 is fine.
I have a 3176 in a 1996 Cat Challenger tractor; I've just replaced the injectors and I'm wondering if I have to have those injector codes programmed into the ECM? I see what looks like a date stamp on the top of the injector solenoid and a 4 digit number next to that; is that the 'code?' (if I need it)
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Hey adept I could really use some of your expertise , have a c15 Acert blowing air out the cooling system . Doesn’t change the colour of the gas tester . Isolated truck air system. Do I have a head gasket/ Liner issue ?????? A reply would be greatly appreciated
Just rebuilt one last week with the same issue. And turned out to be a cracked liner.
Dalton Poteete thanks for the reply . We’re going to be tearing into it . Unfortunate because it has 11000 hours on a platinum rebuild. We typically see 25000 hours out of them without issue .
What about the 3126E engine? It's in a RV, Hep serial number 330 hp.
Please, filming video for electric system calibrating/caterpillar322bl, Thank you.🥺
Hi, i have a challenger mt875b with c18 acert engine. I bought 5 reman injectors ,i want to replace it because it already has 7,000 hours in it. But te manufacturer said: “The injectors do not have the trim code because they are manually calibrated within a maximum difference of 1% in the fuel delivery. Caterpillar provides the trim code because their injectors are not manually calibrated. We sold 100+ injectors of this family with no returns from the market.” and “ you need to tell your mechanic to do the same job he does on OEM injectors except for two things: 1) Leave the old trim codes in the ECM 2) He does not have to do the injectors calibration in the ECM.“. I really don't have to change the original Trim codes? it is possible?
Change them all to something like 5555
Are trim codes specific to the injectors themselves or to the engines?
Take my comment with a grain of salt. I'm only an amateur mechanic, but a veteran electrical engineer. You might enjoy reading online about "linear systems" (an entire field of study- people make careers out of it) -- my point being: the injector essentially has a "transfer function" or input/output relationship such that you *put in* 1) a certain fuel pressure and flow capacity behind that fuel pressure and 2) an electrical switching pulse to make the injector *put out* a pulse of fuel. We can't just assume that for a square input pulse we're going to get an instantaneous square pulse of fuel out. For starters, there's going to be a *delay* after the input pulse, before any fuel comes out. Moreover, the delayed fuel output pulse will also likely have a 'rise time' from zero gallons per second (ie flow rate) up the the maximum flow that will spurt out of the injector during its squirt pulse. Then, you have the same kind of dynamics as the pulse is closed off. It will fall smoothly back down to zero (closed).
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All of these rates and things are described by one single transfer function curve, and while I do not KNOW this, I suspect that is what is contained in the injector file. They make the injector, and then they run it through a test machine that actually measures its input/output relationship (almost identical to a response curve for that big woofer you bought back in 1984!), and they put that curve in a file. And then they identify the file with that god-awful 30-digit hex number.
Ive got a 3406e 6TS. At high rpms it acts like its running out of fuel. Fuel pressure stays around 100psi. But the manifold gauge starts to fall. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kenworth put a platinum kit in it and it only has around 75k miles on it.
First thing I would do is check for air in the fuel at supply and return out of the cylinder head.
@@johngoldsmith6629 what if air is present coming out of the head?
@@garysmith5796 Supply side sucking air. Return side injector or injector seal.
@@johngoldsmith6629 one more thing that I have notice. Is that when it starts cutting out sounds like something is rattling in the motor. If I put it in neutral and reve it up the rattle clears out and I can put it back in gear and it'll pull on out.
@@garysmith5796 Might have to put it on a dyno.
I dont know if you've used it yet or not but at our dealer here in California some of us mechanics are supposed to use sis 2.0. I just wanted to know if you've ever used it or heard of it because I didn't until the first of this year.
I've heard of it and we were supposed to be going to it, but as of yet still on the old SIS.
@@AdeptApe I just didn't know if it was completely new to just us and everyone was using it already. Hopefully it's easier to use though.
@@TheodoreRoosevelt3 What I see it needs a lot more work before it's ready. I type in a part I was looking for with just a prefix and got around fifty hits. I used 2.0 and got almost 300 with the same prefix.
I have c15 it check and gave me a code 7-2 can you help me out
You would be surprised how many Cat mechs do not know this!
Can i buy the cd sofeware?
How do I contact josh for a question??
I just wanna know how to turn these things up and make them breath fire
Cat C6.6 C4.4 trim code 30 latter
Could you explain the “marine” trim file?
Thank you.
Cat trim files are four digit older engines just tell ECM what number is. Newer engines require a file. You get it with a new EUI on a CD. Or download from Cat if you have security clearance, and on the EUI is a four digit confirmation code. A trim file tries to balance out fuel delivery at maximum output for that part number EUI. So they all should meter the same amount of fuel when installed. As I work in the truck world the four digit code has been cracked and truck drivers put the code that meters high amount of fuel. Problem one is voids warranty if you have any. If emissions checked may fail and pay a fine. What I dislike is you now have a unbalanced engine, as if you have a really strong EUI. It will cause that cylinder to hit harder. Thus you could have a vibration or something else. If you want to turn it up, balance the cylinders and change the FLS/FTS, blow head gasket's and buy more parts.
Thank you John, my situation is what you described here.
Any tour in programing them? 😂
Can teach me how to flash ecm
4242 trim codes for days :)
Hi hello how are you bro this is waqas from sudan, We have an C9 accret engine here.getting his turbo red hot,We have changed his turbo charger And the injector is also changed and also changed HUEI pump,Aftercooler also cleaned,And have changed intake and exahust valve also valve guide
Do you have an exhaust restriction?
No every things is ok
we have checked with out catalic converter converter romved al tail pipe butt having same problam
Boost pressure 22 to 24 under the 1204 rpm and in load boost pressure 98 to 104
Fuel pressure 432 kpa
Imma stick with LS motors
Good fun, cheaper to work on. But if heavy work needs to be done diesel is the only real option.
@@jaydunbar7538 that or a really big gas engine. Like a v10
How we can buy CAT ET in Bangladesh
Hi kitty kat man👽
Which CAT store do you work at? I might need some help. Thx 😊
I second this..... I need correct info regarding my truck so I can have it corrected. Roadtrip isn't a problem, honest knowledged troubleshooting mechanics are very rare.... I can't stand a "parts replacer list" mechanic, IF it's #5 , fix #5 and not 1-4 first. Adept Ape what's happened to the old CAT program that matched tires, transmission, engine, etc.??? All the dealers I've asked have that dumb founded look and don't know it existed or say thats old and deleted. I know a tire up size has effected part of my issues from 10 series to 11's BUT NO ONE can tell me IF it's the true issue or multiple underlyings. Thanks
I 3rd that... I would really like him to do some work on mine
Josh we need dependable service, a job well done. It is sooo nice to have that CAT working with you, not against you.
Yes wheres he locatef
I need 6 10R8501 do u have any?
But what are trim files?
Hi@Adept Ape can you add a translatiion into indonesian.
It will help us a lot
i need buy old injector Cateepillar (c9,c12,c15,c18,c32)
do you have them? If anyone has them please message me. thank you very much
alguien me puede ayudar con la tabla de calibracion del inyector volvo e3
,,, kinda a shame most Diesel engine manufacturers don't put that much effort into getting the air that even cylinder to cylinder .
I never want to own a Cat motor again in my life
Very interesting, but I hope I never need this information.
How the Hell does an engine cough up a valve out the intake??
Intake valve spring breaks, ACERT, could have a IVA problem. Had a 3406E, EUI spring broke. Coil moved over the top of intake roto coil and unkeeped the valve. Stem and all dropped down into the cylinder.
I know you're pretty busy between work and making your awesome CZcams videos but you're probably one of the most knowledgeable person to ask this question to.
Do you think hydrogen systems work for diesel engines?
I was looking into this system I have three short videos below if you have time I would like your input on what you think.
Thanks
this link shows the system on its own not installed to a truck
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This link here shows it installed to a big rig.
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And this last link it's actually on a Dodge Ram Dually Cummins doing a driving test getting 30 mpg vs 16 mpg is the average for these type of truck.
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Josh is cat daddy
D.O.t.W.......hooray. intake valve....ugh
Cat c15
NOPE doesn't need to be done all hotrodders claim it gives them MORE power and NEVER HAD A ISSUE. What they don't know 2 of numbers for timing other 2 for fuel but they never told us which ones. Sticking in number 6900 is not always going to give you more power. Actually you make engine have imbalance one cyl may fire sooner and give less fuel and next cyl opposite. Seen many hotrod engine with broken cranks or head gasket blown out badly. Seen one fuel was cranked up so much engine had fuel knock in tell engine had some temp in it. TRIM codes what make ecm fire at same time and put same amount fuel in each cyl. True engine tuner can give or take fuel and timing through software. But so many think just change trim code good as gold (HINT run from these guys)
hello colleague good evening I ask you a question you have a phone number I would like to ask you some questions if it is not too much trouble
Typical C-13...
Tanta payasada y todo lo que hacen los motores Caterpillar lo hace cualquier otro motor . Más barato de reparar y sin tanta payasada