India, China Can't Be Friends Till India Catches Up, For Which It Needs Near-Civilisational Change
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- In a 45-minute interview to Karan Thapar for The Wire, to mark the launch of his book ‘India Versus China: Why They Are Not Friends’, Kanti Bajpai laid out four reasons why in his opinion the two countries are unfriendly to each other. The first is their perceptions of each other. The second is their territorial claims and perimeters. The third is their strategic partnerships, where they tend to be on different, if not opposed, sides. The fourth is the asymmetry of power between them, which is steadily increasing.
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China's so called autocratic system of governance is competent and is concerned with making society better.
I am Canadian and a ethnic Chinese. The government of China, the CPC, is based on meritocracy. To rise to
the top, aspiring leaders have to prove themselves to be competent by being leaders at lower levels.
Following Confucian philosophy, the elites at the top are like the head of the family, they are responsible
for the wellbeing of society and is respected. This governing principle is following over 2000 years of Chinese
cultural tradition. Unfortunately, the colonization of India by Britain has saddled India with Democrazy (not India's
cultural tradition), for which one wise Indian could be outvoted by 9 unwise Indians, resulting in a perpetual cycle
of elect and regret.
Meritocracy is absent in India.
Actually that's the worst thing socialism has done to India.
Meritocracy is considered against social justice because of socialism.
China is challenging USA led Western supremacy is a factor in the geopolitical contest and it may also explain strong emotional reactions in Western countries to China’s rise.
Indian are still facing colonial mentality domination of western and spreading anti China sentiment in local media behalf of USA hegemony interest.
China is the biggest threat to India. What colonial mindset are you talking about? US has its own issues with China, but India has to deal with its own issues with Chinese. This is nothing to do about a "colonial mindset". Seriously clueless comment.
@@amols101 I think what “ the colonial” mind set referred here is that India willing to accept the role Western country designated on the world stage. Joe Biden said “China is eating their lunch”. Fear that China is upgrading its industry and taking away their high-profit market is the real reason the West are hostile to China at the moment. India needs to make calm diplomacy based on its own interests not being swayed by minor border dispute and used as a pawn. India as a proud country needs to make long term goals to gain the high ground in global market not just low cost out-sourcing jobs.
Amol Sonawane why China is biggest threat to India?
Chinese don't think so.
but China know India think China as a enemy.
so, if you think China is enemy, that it is, but if you think China can be friends, that also is.
it's up to you!
We dont love west & chinese influence. we have our own identity.
@@PlasticExtrusionProfiles in reality china cant be friend to anyone under dictator regime.
India and Indians should consider an answer to this question: You are poor and living a miserable life. If someone promised
to you that your family will be rich beyond your imagination, and also for generations to come, if only you would make a concession.
Would you do it? Yes or No?
All these Indian media are bought by UK and US for decades to perpetuate hate against China. So it's difficult for any Indian politician to say the truth and improve ties with China
When two Indians come together, all facts got twisted. Chinese look down on India because the latter is still a poor developing country but it already became as aggressive as its colonial master. China had endured more than a century of humiliation by the West and Japan, but the Chinese never kneeled in front of the aggressors.
There was no India country in the history, the current India was assembled by imperialist British. Tibet has been a part of China for 7 centuries, yet India can work with it ex-colonial master and try to cut out Tibet from China.
G Asia
There is historically no contact between the two except of being aware of each other.If China had endured more than a century of humiliation by the West & Japan, it is their funeral. The feeling of humiliation is a"peculiar" Chinese trait. What does India have to do with it?India isn't tributary to Imperial China, needn't follow Chinese value system & to Hell with it.
Inaccuracies:
1. Don't look at only the kingdoms in South Asia. In ancient lore (& onwards) "Asetu Himachala paryantam", that is from the (Rama's) bridge (to Sri Lanka) to the Himachala (Himalay mountains ) it was called "Bharata Varsha" or (country of Bharata) Bharata khanda (Bharata continent), sharing rivers, tirthas (sacred pilgrimage places ) irrespective of borders of kingdoms(akin to war -lords' domains in your country).A few ambitious Empires encompassed whole of India prior to the British, who built on this template. Kingdoms were transitory. How can you expect this country to stand against the British (without its long past) as a country if not for this unity? Can't you see a fallacy? You are being foolish.
2. If Tibet has been a part of China for 7 centuries, that was never recognised by India (Nehru committed this blunder, without from the Indians). Consent(or Contest!) is necessary(read European history) as Tibet is India's immediate neighbour. India can't work with her ex-colonial master that is too small; but cut out Tibet from China, nevertheless.
3. Indians aren't aggressive by nature as you say. But if provoked they are ferocious as two world wars have proved. Through wars they had great exposure to world, its ways & gained experience instead of being cocooned within themselves, cut off from the rest of the world. British With 2.5 million Indian troops, ruled the world as two thirds of their Imperial subject population, were from Indian Empire (+ Bangladesh + Pakistan + Burma/Myanmar). "Indian troops" is the secret of their success.They established even a Military Headquarters of Warfare (that exists) to raise it, to 25 milion.
And they also colonized the north east regions.
Chinese government, media and Chinese people only use "大国/big country" to describe their country. But, in India, everybody is using great power/superpower to describe their country, which is the largest developing country with half its population still living under poverty.
So, how can China regard India as a great power or superpower when the Chinese themselves don't see their country being one?
G Asia
It is China's own job to think in any way about India. India won't go to great lengths to impress China. India has no desire for that "superpower", tag, but to save the country. Shove your "大国/ big country" tag in your arse for whatever I care.
@@MrPoornakumar India has no desire to become a super power? Dude are you kidding yourself? Indians feel offended if people treat them like no super power. Even Modi said India is a superpower in the world and would like to become a permanent members of UN Security Council. Don’t lie to yourself, and India is dreaming to become a big country
@@keyboardmanyoutube3189
You live in a world of falsitude. You tell lies. There may be many Indians who call India a super power & some who want India to be one, without knowing what that word meant. Yet India will go to any extent to defend her soil confronting or defeating a super power if need be. Aim is to defend the country at any cost. UN Security Council seat was once India's for asking. Then it is India (Nehru) who gave that honour to PRC, which should be grateful to India, but lacks that gratitude.
Oh my god.
Which universe do you live in?
India gave China a permanent seat on the UN Security Council?
In 1945, China participated in the founding of the United Nations as one of the four victorious nations of World War II (France is a product of balance). China is the first country to sign the founding documents of the United Nations. Representatives of the Chinese Kuomintang, the Communist Party of China, and the Chinese Youth Party signed the founding documents of the United Nations.
India became independent in 1947. How did India become a permanent member of the UN Security Council without even participating in the UN founding ceremony?
In 1971, the Chinese Communist Party snatched the representation of the entire Chinese people from the Chinese Kuomintang (Taiwan Province).
Are you living in a parallel universe?
As for the term superpower（超级大国）. It is a derogatory term in China, which is roughly equivalent to "Western colonialism."
But this word is a good vocabulary in India. This is related to the understanding of this term in the two countries. This is nothing to argue with.
@@MrPoornakumar During the Second World War, hundreds of thousands of Chinese expeditionary forces blocked the Japanese in Burma. More than half of the hundreds of thousands of Chinese Expeditionary Forces were casualties. I would like to ask you if the Chinese army did not obstruct the Japanese army from entering India.
Guess what would happen to the Japanese soldiers on the streets of New Delhi or Mumbai? You can check the history of the Japanese army.
Every educated Indian... Every Indian politician..... Every Indian IAS officer.....must watch this message.
I think India will never be able to reach the Chinese standards in any area.
India needs a civilisational change......
U r right
India can't be anti democratic country
India can't persecute their own citizen as china do
@夏军 I wonder why CCP has been the ruling party for so many decades. I wonder why there are Uighur Muslim Concentration Camps.
Just like how you are brainwashed to think that China is the best and that it is a true democracy; the same way BJP, the ruling party of India currently, has brainwashed it's citizens (who are right-leaning). They are said that only the ruling party wants India to move forward, all other opposition parties are selfish and have connections with Pakistan and China.
While the BJP is definitely learning from the CCP; it may not be able to develop India like China. Their main goal is to establish a Hindu-only India. That's all. Not much about development. Just look at the GDP growth rate over the years.
@夏军 Lol yeah yeah right. Lol.
@夏军 Isn't it the same with the Chinese media?
Also, you didn't answer about why the CCP has been the only ruling party and also about the Uighur genocide.
@@hemalathasattu420 Have you been to Xinjiang ? How come the Moslem countries never said a word on China ? Go search "Ruchi In China" vlogs....
What a refreshing change to watch Karan - unemotional, confident, objective. His persona is what India should have. China "looks down" on India, if it ever was, is not because India is economically weak and developmentally backward. It's India's inferiority complex, amply projected by all its citizens I've watched and read (Karan excepted), that poses its own weakness. China respects many countries which are much weaker than India. It is how they carry themselves that earns China's respect. Remember, respect begets respect. I think India can take a couple of pages off China's playbook. First, focus on lifting India's poor from extreme poverty and put India's house in order. Second, be humble and stop playing big brother politics. Hunker down and keep developing your economy. Learn from every country. Welcome all foreign investments. Open up your economy and force your conglomerates to swim against the foreign onslaught. That will toughen, not weaken, the Indian companies. Make peace with everyone, including Pakistan and China. If China can make peace and set aside its territorial dispute with Japan, I don't see why India can't do the same with China. After all, the hurts China inflicted on India (whatever those may be) are nowhere near the magnitude of damage Japan did to China, and the UK did to India.
well said, one big problem is that many indias are too emotional, they can not look at themself objectively
@Double Trouble lol looks you just prove to others that Indian are emotional
@Double Trouble lol you too. I saw your comment everywhere on this vid
Even I don't think China ever "looks down" on India. As a Chinese who stayed in India for almost 10 years, I do respect and be friends with my Indian fellows. I think your statement is well-written. And I completely agree with you. I don't think Indian ordinary people are too "emotional" about international relationships. But it was the current Indian government wants Indian people to have some impulsive negative feelings against China to cover up the government's inability in dealing with domestic issues.
@@shujixiesi exactly
I have 3 points which Indians and the prof don't accept but must consider
1. China has bent over backwards to reach consensus with India, China tried hard not to embarass India by not releasing their deaths
2.one advantage the Indians have is its ability to take punishment. Despite the chaos and deaths of the 2nd wave India is still intact
3. They forgot to mention that Indians have be used by the West to divide Asians. The future is Asian so please partake of the rise of Asia together rather than be an agent of the West
I double that!
When other races in Southeast Asia like the Malay, Indonesian or Thai seem to look down on the Indians in their own countries which by extension to India, then the problem could be that some things in the Indians that failed to garner respect from other races. Self-reflection is the key, not blaming others.
Chinese too are equally if not more hated in these countries !
@@abhaykher9703 They have higher social standing than Indians.
@@abhaykher9703
This tendency to get emotional instead of engaging in sensible exchange of opinion is a trait that does not garner respect.
The Chinese are not hated; racist people are just envious of their success wherever they live.
Like all cultures and peoples of the world, there are aspects that need to be shunned by Indians. Even US that was birthed by the extermination of natives and labour of slavery is struggling with its past. Europe still mistreats Romany with disdain while preaching human rights. When you are strong nobody will dare touch you, but when you are weak be prepared to be hurt by random nuisances.There is a historical aspect that has roots in the economic and naval clout of south Indian kingdoms, especially Cholas in the SE region. The naval powers of South Indian kingdoms are barely mentioned in Indian history textbooks. Look at Kunjali Marakkars of Malabar who were feared and respected adversaries of the Portugese. When you have power, economic and/or naval might, there will naturally be enemies who are threatened. A brief blip in its long history and any of those locals will rise up to throw mud at people of Indian subcontinent. Jealousy closely follows success as a person or a population and no other population knows it better than the Jews of Europe. Look at the colonial game of cricket, as the power centre shifted from English ECB and Cricket Australia to BCCI, the Indian board is projected as crass and arrogant. Britain can segregate the poor and kick them out for organizing G7 meeting but it is news when India does the same. Double standards!!!!!!
@@expt22
Excellent analysis.
CGTN is good because most of the time the analysis is based on facts, where as media in America and India is based on rhetoric
I find CGTN quite objective because they invite the right quest for discussion. Their documentary are first rate and I wish they do that more.
CGTN has their own standpoint, but at least based on facts and sounds reasonable.
Not like western media based on fictional stuff.
LOL
🤣🤣🐷🤲🏻🇵🇰
CGTN is good, good at world news, better at documentaries but the best is their propaganda
Companies of foreign countries including China opened factories in India but are screwed so badly by the corruption in the government and labour practices, the companies have to run for their lives. Until India wakes up and clean up it's dysfunctional social and business systems, it will forever be a basket case. I have been to India many times and I love the country. It is mind numbingly beautiful. But the horrible caste system, the awful disregard of the poor, and the rampant corruption ensures that it will always stay at the bottom.
Karan Thapar and Kanti Bajpai should read some of the top comments. One thing I am sure is that the Chinese
have disdain for the Indians is NOT because of the big power gap between China and India. China has respect
for many nations lesser than India. Time for India to do some self reflection.
China will not last forever.Chinese leaders should remember. India has a much rich culture and cannot be compared to China
China does not want to fight India if India is not hostile. Just think the restraint that China exercises given its power position over India. From another point of view, if India is 5 times more powerful than China, will India exercise the same restraint? Hopefully India can realize it and reduce its hostility.
What a stupid comparison….we have been doing it with pak or nepal etc
Okay , turn off the VPN go focus on acing the gaokao yes?
india supported Tibet rebel. of course the relationship soured after that. and then Nehru undertook the forward policy，further poisoned the relationship. That is why after China settled border dispute with other neighbors including soviet russia，the dispute with India never settled.
Sadly it’s true. I don’t understand why India is so obsessed to against China which actually they can be peaceful neighboring countries. In history or decades ago, China respect Indian culture and religion a lot. And regarding the conflicts territories, actually these places never been economically very important and could handled with tolerance for both sides. Why the India government encourages so much hatred towards China, that’s a question so far I quite don’t understand.
I always said the central issue between the two countries was "Tibet"! Indians esp. its elites still believe the dream of taking Tibet as its territory one day. That is why with fast development of Tibetan area, India feel desperation day by day. They are living in the dream it is sad...As long as Tibet issue exists, changes of bilateral relationship are hopeless. On the contrary, the danger of armed conflict increases every year. What should China do? Keep developing and smash Indians' border military adventurism as necessary to wake these guys up: There will no long chance to further encroach your neighbor's land anymore...Only then, the border issues could be settled.
You think India is Behind China because Border dispute is not settled? You are gravely mistaken India is behind because India is a religious country, every thing is measured in terms of religion and caste. And most politicians on the either side are illiterate but for the first time India has an Illiterate PM aswell, which is an indicative of Indian voters Mindset.
@@johnsoncao3114 It's not only the government, the main people behind it are those working for the media outlets that have close ties with MSM.
@@ABCtriplets India never desired to take over Tibet. Never it came up in any discussion since 1947. We just gave space to refugees. Your ilk, especially Mao seem like ultra paranoid people. I think this time India should seriously think about Tibet for real.
I have been living in China for 5 years now, and I attest to every word Mr. Kanti says about China and its modernity. Its time we start learning from China, rather than being in constant ego tussle and confrontation mode. Even China worked quietly under the shadows of major powers for 30 years always trying to find areas of cooperation rather than stroking its ego. So India needs to do the same for millions of our people who are still living in abysmal living conditions. We need to be able to tap into Chinese growth for the sake of expanding and bettering our economy. That needs to be set as our priority irrespective of who is in power at the center.
I agree. Any bhakt (who hasn't been to China) will think we are equals. We are not. China is miles ahead. Like miiiilllllllless ahead! You know what hasn't held China back? Religion. There, I said it.
@indian Technically, 12 years. Unless you don't want to count ABV's government. That's beside the point - the nation put its faith in a 'Gujarat model' that was supposed to accelerate progress. What are we seeing, instead? Demonetisation, GST, statues, Central Vista, incredible price rises, lackey politics..........everything the bhakts ridiculed the Congress for, the BJP is doing that and more. This 10-year experiment with the BJP has failed.
I asked Chinese friends why Xi does not heed Deng's 'hide your strength, bide your time' doctrine and their replies were that it has become too enormous and impossible to stay hidden.
Puneet , can't agree more .
@indian he did not blame bhakts for the situation...he just said tht bhakts believe india is chinas equal and it is not.
One of the factors the discussion is pinpointing with India is social discrimination is the Race and Cast system associated with so-called Hindu Religion still prevalent and harming India to move ahead although India contains well-educated and competent people. Unless this is adequately addressed at the grassroots level, this will continue to impact.
Go search for Lee Kuan Yew's speech/comment on India.It is not that simple !
It's simple, no people can improve much without having a fair and objective view about themselves first.
fangpiking
For that (view themselves first) we need a mirror & the ability to accept (truth) what we see in it. I think we hardly do that.
You are correct. To view themselves objectively, first thing to do is respect facts not distort them.
@@parklilys3108
This is a good comment.
Absolutely, but more importanly if they are uneducated they are unable to do so, all the politicians in the current dispensation in India are illiterate.
@@PankajDoharey Maybe that is the reason they are so easily mislead by the media outlets.
My Chinese great grandfather hated India and UK for the opium during his time.
People in Shanghai always hated turban-headed Indian/Sikh accomplices in the British/Public Concession during the first half of 20th century.
Indians hate China for supporting terrorists groups in in India
India needed to looking to their past . don't need to focus on china. Focus on India .
It’s so not true that China has viewed India as a tributary since ancient times. In fact, historically, China has always respected India as the holy origin of Buddhism. This can be easily seen in many classic Chinese literature or their historical records
Finally, someone has the courage to shed hubris, become humble enough to introspect & recognize national self-deceit, in public. There is no other way for India to move ahead...
Epic reality check! Fantastic interview and insights from Kanti Bajpai.
Thanks to the Wire. Could you expect this from aaj tak ?
@Dostam Khan Mohmand acha conspiracy theorist aur kaun kaun Chinese agent hai ??...do rem it was modi who invited xi-zingping alongwith his wife to state dinner at Mahabalipuram after Doklam crisis. It was modi who failed to name China in the national address. Orange brigade is exposed.
It will be very difficult for anyone to work with India as long as it has this huge ego of overshadow everyone else.
True, Indians can't take constructive criticism. We are living in a fallacy.
Yup.
@@akshitraj1019
Fallacy of composition..... China and India both not yet great civilisation.....
@@dennyli9339 both were superpowers decades ago. hopefully both can be friends and comeback.
chris chor
Choice is yours; not ours. If you want to work with "this huge ego of overshadow everyone else " you need to.
China looks down on India because India is always trying to take shortcuts to achieving parity with other great powers. India always tries to play the east and west against each other. Instead, if they just kept their heads down and did the work to get their shit together the Chinese would definitely respect India.
an interesting view from an Indian academic person! the correction I can made is that the quote of "Tian Xia (天下)" doesn't mean China has the superiority over others. Chinese say "TianXia DaTong天下大同“ meaning everyone under the heaven is the same.
I cannot believe such an Indian scholar thinks China looks India as a tributary country. I get brainwashed!
Continue! You are absolutely 👍! Chinese can get things done. Good praise!
Equal, rather.
@@ed1003 We don't. We consider India as an equal civilization. But I guess the author needs to spin this one to write the book.
I was about to say the same thing.... He total mis-interpreted Chinese "天下"，under the heaven. And i can say most of his interpretations of Chinese people are wrong, and also simply conclude it's Chinese who think india is chaotic, in fact that is commonly impreted by people in the whole world. Not only Chinese...
@@user-yc8yu8qv3q but India is choatic ...that is true😐
China often quotes Prof. Angus Maddison's historical economic research work that China was once the richest country on the planet and did more trade than Europe and America's combined. China wanted to reclaim it's historical glory. Since WW2, post 1945, USA has been the global hegemony and sole superpower.
Hence, China considered USA as it's only peer and rivalry as it wanted to outgrow USA and become it's equal. China has accomplished this through great hardwork, forward looking economic policies. Most CCP members are well educated and have multiple degrees (most are either engineers or businessmen). President Xi Jinping is a chemical engineer and his only daughter Xi Mingze studied at Harvard for her undergraduate education. Also at undergraduate education at either Oxford/Cambridge/London University, after British white students come the Singaporeans and then Chinese.
In my own perspective, most Indian politicians are not well educated (Modi is 3rd class from SOL, University of Delhi). Sadly, Indians are obsessed about religion and there are riots and hatred for other communities in India. How is India even one country when religions in India are made to hate each other.
Petty politics, illiterate citizens, arrogant civil servants, self glorified IAS officers are the problem in India. Unless India goes for thorough civilisation reform, education reform, civil service reform, economic reform - India will remain a 3rd world poor developing bigoted country.
In the most recent kerala state elections, find out how many votes Metroman received. He had a master plan for his city. Also, find out the lead of M Mani. M Mani did not have a clue about how and why the kerala 2018 flood happened. Metroman knew it was man made.
In essence it is too much democracy, that's the crux of the problem!
@@manojk5904 That's a recent one. E Sreedharan lost because he stood from the wrong party in a state where BJP is irrelevant. Neither majority or minority community votes for BJP in Kerala. Historically, since 1945 BJP may have got 2 MLA's in Kerala and they don't count in local Assembly.
Let me put out most shocking one. Dr. Manmohan Singh did contest Lok Sabha elections of 1999 (South Delhi - which is the most educated, developed, elite part of Delhi) but people in South Delhi did not vote for him.
Dr. Subramanian Swamy, Dr. MS Swaminathan are President nominated members in Rajya Sabha. They can't be expected to be elected to Lok Sabha by people. Illiterates in Lok Sabha are a huge problem.
My own view - citizens of India are themselves to blame for problems of India. Mr. Lalu Yadav was 2 time CM elected by people of Bihar and then a Lok Sabha member, even though he was corrupt at the time. IAS is useless and are equally corrupt and many members from this service have gone to jail for scams like 2G, coal, CWG and what not since 1945.
@@ElieBlaxBlaze There is a reason why Socrates hated democracy
@@vrghseng Did you hear the SDPI Trivandrum President's interview after the state election? LDF and UDF both approached SDPI to have a deal. It is on CZcams. Tell me why few weeks back in Punjab a district was created on the basis of religion? Why parties like Congress/LDF/UDF/AAP/TMC/Stalin did not condemn??
When India is slightly on the "UP" slope, India is "friendly" to China. When India is on the "DOWN" slope as most of the period India did, China is the easy target to blame. So what the author said is basically TRUE.
Black Knight
Friendly or otherwise India had no relationship with China (except some perfunctory visits by their two monks or anothr Indian monk visiting China). There was no palimsest upon which to write "friendship".
@@MrPoornakumaru are gobar eater
Odd enough, general Chinese loves Amir Khan movies so much. He could be the best friendship ambassador of India to China.
nope.....as a matter of fact, Indian movies are quite popular On TV in the early 90s...but definitely not today...
Done. for his relationship to Dalai Lama is known in China.
Yao Guoxing a friendship ambassador but not a political ambassador.
Yes,I am Chinese,we love Amir Khan movies very much,we called Amir Khan as Uncle Mi
@@alicegreen7802
Amir Khan isn't acting anymore now. Also Bollywood movies have come down in numbers & talent too. There are other language movie production centers.Many of the language movies are subtitled in English. Some are "langauge dubbed" to Hindi (A few to Arabic & even Somali).
Speaking of propaganda, just check WION channel, and you wonder why we are not friends?…
We will win the war, any war, as long as Godhi media exists. We always win on Hindi channels and Republic TV
Well said 👍
We can win Syrian/ Yemenese war also. 😆
Your hatred for Modi is stronger than your love for India - because you have no love for India. Your only interest is to attack Modi, but meanwhile you'll say nothing against China. You Jaichand
@Vijay Manjrekar Have you read what you just copy pasted from somewhere? What ever you have listed up there is mostly wrong information. Iran port is gone and the route to Afganistan doesn't exist any more after a symbolic few trucks that went from there when Sushma swaraj was alive. India's GDP per capita went past Pakistans in 2010 that was 4 years before Modi came to power. I cn tear through other claims aswell but the problem is I dont have time for your bullshit. Please read what you are posting before you start copy pasting BS.
Vincent John
One-sided & baised rant. If you castigate & throw away your own men, how can you succeed. In the end you'll be alone. Does it serve a purpose? It is not important what is his background. It is important how to "use" him for national good, ahrnessing his unique capabilities, his USP & personality traits. Inability to appreciate the other, is a mental weakness & disease. Damn the media.
A very beautiful discussion it was. It was the first time, I saw Karan completely engaged in what the Professor has to say.
Great video for all PM, CMs, Cabinet minister/ Govt. Secretary, mediapersons & political leaders & their blinkered fans
I think Karan would find his current career more fulfilling than his previous one in mainstream media. Kudos to him for sticking to his values..
I love how people in the comments are bringing BJP and Congress into this and missing the whole point of the video.
Same
@@saketpatil1306 I am sure by now you must have known that Karen Thapar is anti BJP.
@@truthsayer5824 If Karan is anti Modi what is great in it. Almost 69 percent of Indians are not fond of Modi..
@@kavisiddu only people like u 🤣😎🤣
The only thing we have successfully replicated from China (or aspire to) is their one political party system which is intolerant to dissent.
Which is also clearly not tenable long-term due to India's diversity....
even our postion is same here
that is always the primary prerequisite ..if you think China could develop so much by being a democracy then u r a fool of the highest order Pandey ji
@Harmony You probably weren't alive during Indira Gandhi's reign then. This isn't a bjp or congress issue. India has been lagging behind since the 60s and if we are to catch up to China we would need to undergo massive cultural changes. These aren't possible in a democracy unfortunately and it will take time for us to see any massive changes
@@rageagainstthewashingmachi2877 did India develop well during Indira Gandhi's emergency era, look up the history and u ll find the term Hindu rate of growth which was derived to mock India's sluggish economic growth in that time. India attained its best growth n policies under none authoritarian governments, its a fact which u either aren't aware of or wilfully deny.
Who on earth would admire the "liveliness of India's democracy"?
So true
1.4 billion humans on earth (18% of Humanity & going to be the biggest).
@@MrPoornakumar you are everywhere man alone indian keyboarder but the reality is India needs to change itself in all aspects and adopt to current conditions by the way iam an indian and iam not very fond of indian democracy because every party gives more schemes to grasp the attention of poor and middleclass which is a burden in the future and not creating the employment needed and the news channels always divert the people from the reality
@@kannasuma5963
First, you are a "rejectionist" escaping from home.How can India's less than 10%, change the other more than 90%? It needs to be done with utmost caution. Cause for India's poverty is mainly Population. Also propsperity controls population gorwth & that is happening now in India's southern states. But major population is in BIMARU states, in Bihar- UP, particularly. "Politics is the Art of possible" & one needs to see how we can transform India without attracting a backlash by way of popular uprisings & revolts.
India's track record (post-1991) is really good. I am watching it & India was somewhere in GDP rank 20. Post-1991 India corssed Hongkong, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Spain, Italy, Netehrlands, Russia, France, Britain etc & is now behind USA, PRC, Japan & Germany only. In PPP terms India is in No.3 (behind USA & PRC). It is a race well run by India. So, there is a more scope to improve.This government doesn't understand Economics& it means "money" for the government. Monetarism has given more headaches than it solved.Population is an asset (that many nations envy India for, added with the bonus of "Youth bulge" & median age of 28; if you know what it means).This governemnt doesn't now how to handle & divert that energy into useful employment.
Colonial rule for more than two centuries has destroyed India's productive assets. Even after seven decades we aren't able to put it back in place. Yet we are succeeding in the struggle. Our success is only 1% with a 100% more on the plate, but we are progressing on the right path. Planning for 1.4 billion isn't easy even for America with a quarter of India's popualtion (but India is attempting it). Also we can't kill our own people ! One can always say that the glass is half empty when someone else says its half full. Easiest thing to do in the circumstances (that appears to be), is "criticising India".
@@MrPoornakumar I think what you said is fine but ppp was not a good measure I think when you see the GDP per capita the actual story reflects last year even Bangladesh crossed us it's about average standard of living and let's say India will grow at a rate of 6.5 or 7 and china at 5 or 5.5 the gap will increase I've been to so many places in china I was realised that their standard of living is way ahead and 95 percent of people are happy with their government but they don't have right to speak like us but a better life
England came with East India Company and just colonised the whole of India from 1757 to 1947 without much resistence and thereby India losing their civilisation. Just to get independance India had to agreed to western system of democracy, of which regime change of able leaders can be easily executed by the western powers till now (with India bragging now theirs being the biggest democracy country in the world) Whereas China resist colonisation from the western powers by learning from India and Russia. China would not budge from their own system of running the country and bringing the country to prosperity and modernization. Now China with BRI is bringing prosperity and supporting the poorer countries. In fact China has a long history of charitable behaviors. For both Confucianism and Buddhism, benevolence is a core value. Traditionally, “helping and caring for others” is held in high esteem by the Chinese. The value of philanthropy has been rooted in Chinese culture for thousands of years.
The point abt India doesn't wanna appear weak due to public pressure. Back then, public had no idea abt the dispute or where the claim line was, no pressure on govt at all. Nehru rejected Chinese swap offer simply coz he was confident of India's ability, until 1962 hit. Indian analysts, not matter how qualified & balance, never failed to come up with some strange & unfounded findings.
One of the most honest person ever in your show Karan
I don't know when India will catch up with China. But I know that last year Bangladesh's per capita income surpassed India's. According to the situation of India this year, how many countries will surpass India?
@@unudo3359 All of South East Asia will eventually surpass India if projected economic trends hold true.
@@GorditoCrunch343 Then India still wanna other South Asia Countires respect it??? very unlikely to happen
Without knowing oneself well, and accepting the reality, one can never improve.
Indias focus must be to grow its national GDP. A strong economy is the foundation for a strong country. Every attempt should be made to liberalize the economy and focus on growth.
No.. No, Ambani will be perished.
Exactly, we should be focusing on development rather than becoming the proxy of America against China... unfortunately in last seven years china has gone way ahead of us, due to the government extreme hindutva policy, which is full of chaos and unrest
@@ishtiaqueahmed8450 hindutva in the modern day is a political reaction to minority appeasement that was driven by congress.
It's a shame that religion plays such an important part of our politics. Ideally indians would either leave religion behind OR keep it strictly as a private affair.
@@kek209 ... Without majority vote no party can form the government, the myth of appeasement of Muslim is a narrative of RSS extreme hindutva
@@ishtiaqueahmed8450 considering there is widespread resentment towards the congress I wouldn't say it's all RSS propaganda. Congress has used the fear of a hindu majority to rally the Muslims for decades and the backlash followed.
Agian the main focus should be to grow the national GDP. Once india hits a certain level of development people will naturally turn away from religion. The hindu Muslim rivalry can finally be put aside when we all stop believing superstition.
If India sheds it's imperial British hangover friendship is easy. India has manufactured disputes not based on historical facts. India is not Imperial Britain and needs to think like an independent country.
Indians are envious, at least the ones I have encountered are.
@@johnniewalker7628 The envious Indians are the educated ones, most of Indian think they are stronger and more powerful vs China.
So says cheeenese stooge, a gospel
According to our Histroy
Todays pakistan,half of iran myanmaar afganistan kambodia laos were the part Of India.
I don't understand what will u do to capture land from others .
If u want to be superpower then it can be easily let develop peacefully and help others in need when they needed, they will automatically support u
What it meant, spread of Indian civilisation and influence of Indian civilisation. Indian kings of ancient time, conquered but did not enslave them unlike Europeans. The cultural practises from India enriched their day to day life. Hence they followed Santana dharma which at its core says live in harmony with nature. Forget what Kanti wants to say. Entire exercise is of Intelkectual self satisfaction. He is pro Congress, so narrative would be somehow it is India's responsibility to play second fiddle to China and India should find a way to become tributary state to China. China of course is far ahead of India , owing to curse of Nehru. So it is choice of current generation , that a) either would learn the better practises from world and improve it further ie become more competitive or b) regress and decide to become vassal / tributary state to China.
Every Chinese can see India’s problem, you need your own chair man Mao!
The Financial Times article raising the concern about the relevance of India as a member of QUAD and insinuating the presence of India in this Cohort as a liability itself corroborates the very fact that, not only the Chinese but also the westerners are no different in considering India as a weak state.
India's military power comes at 4th and is the second most populous country with a rising economy. The quad needs India. India is not the weakest link.
India is a third rate power pretending to be a great power.
I don't know when India will catch up with China. But I know that last year Bangladesh's per capita income surpassed India's. According to the situation of India this year, how many countries will surpass India?
@Vijay Manjrekar Well, let me tell you what modi did. First of all, modi invented Hindu nationalism and used autocratic means to suppress other religions and strengthen the power of the central government of India. Then modi transformed the calculus (cow dung Economics) and created a false boom. Then, by increasing the import duty of finished products, the investors are forced to increase the total assembly line in India. Modi strives for the support of the United States through active border friction with China. In the early days of modi's administration, India's economy was on the rise, and modi borrowed a lot. But in the face of the epidemic, India's problems are concentrated. The first was the outbreak of religious problems, and modi increased the suppression budget. Then there was the outbreak of economic problems and a massive default on India's debt. Then there was the deterioration of Sino Indian relations, which led to India spending a lot of military money on the border. Then there was a large-scale peasant uprising, and the whole country's political system was shaken. At present, due to the Indian government's difficulties and the deterioration of India's domestic situation, foreign enterprises have fled India. This is the reality, modi is a gambler, India was brought into the abyss by him. Modi's practice of driving away Chinese Internet companies is particularly idiotic and incomprehensible.
@@unudo3359 I support Hindu Nationalism. Do not take this the wrong way that I want to suppress other religions. But this country must establish Hindusium as its core being.
India is NOT a developed superpower. At the moment we are a third world country and have too many problems. Now on top of this add the Religion violence and caste division and voilà, you have a hellhole.
The only way to climb out of this hellhole is to take drastic measures. These methods might bring harm in the short term but their long term benefits will help the country immensely.
First, we must abandon democracy and follow a more socialist or communist type of government. Now I know many might be against this, which they should be, had we been a DEVELOPED NATION. But you need to understand, democracy is the best form of government if and only if the country is RICH.
Unfortunately, we are not.
Many might bring up the example of the west, of how prosperous they are while the following democracy, yet again you need to understand, it was not DEMOCRACY that made them reach that point but instead IMPERIALISM.
However, in this day and age, Imperialism is frowned upon, moreover, Imperialism wouldn't have worked with our country that well anyway. We have to follow a more Socialist type of government.
Second, establish a Hindu Nationalistic Nation. Again, do not take this the wrong way that I want to suppress other religions. It's just that this country is called "HINDUSTAN" for a reason. This land officially belongs to the Hindus.
Do this mean we should persecute the people of other religion? No! They can be allowed to exist and live with us peacefully. Let me say that again, they can be allowed to exist and live with us PEACEFULLY.
However, the moment they try to instigate trouble, they must be ELIMINATED. This goes both ways, if any Hindu Nationalist tries to deliberately suppress other religions, he must also be ELIMINATED.
Having trouble imagining such a Country? No problem, just take a look at Islamic countries but replace them with Hindus but more liberals, you will understand what I am trying to say.
Let me repeat my statement, I do NOT want to suppress other religions, I just want them to understand that if they are living in India, they must abide by the laws put in place by Hindus. At the same time, I want to completely eradicate the Caste system from India.
These are big changes and might cause community revolts, as hard this might sound, they MUST be brutally suppressed. Sacrifices will be made for a better tomorrow.
Third, make the government such that not just anybody can walk in and enter the political party. They must fulfil some qualifications to be able to do so.
In short, make the government based on merit and not based on the voice of people, so that the voice of the people can be answered. I know this might sound weird but to answer the voice of the people, you must not allow them to choose the leader but choose a leader for them.
It is the same with money, you must have heard the common saying, "If you want to earn money, don't work to earn money, work to add value, money will autonomically come to you"
There must be a lot more that must be answered but if we even implement these, India will improve by leaps and bounds AND when we might have developed somewhere in the faraway future, then you MIGHT consider shifting to democracy.
@Vijay Manjrekar --- wow, what a titanic load of horseshit!
The issue of British rule/ Opium war is not addressed - where Indian soldiers were used as shock troops and Indian were the opium traders at the behest of the British - this ed the Chinese view the indians as having a "slave mentality" by willingly working for their colonial masters - this perception has stayed
1. In 1947, India is superior than China in many Industry aspects, eg, metal production, copper production, textile industry, etc. From 1953 China started economy development and reversed them one by one, the last one is railway mileage in 1997. Obviously, at the beginning, it is China to catch up India.
2. After 1947 or 1949, there is merely no cooperation between China and India. Even after the cold war, there is negligible connection as well. So, the problem is there is merely no connection between China and India, rather than who catch up whom.
3. Many Indians, as well as this professor use the word RESPECT a lot. No idea if the word RESPECT has special meaning in Indian English. As a Chinese, I would use the word NO BLACKMAIL. In past decades, India's requests towards China sound more like a type of blackmail, and, it is China not respect India if China refuse India, regardless India's power vs requests.
4. If Indians have clearly history education, they should know that Indians are not so positive to China in past centuries, like as mercenary in Opium War and selling Opium to China for centuries. After 1947, India request China to accept border as well as priority in Tibet inherited from British-India. In our opinion, that land(India) switches from a colonist to a second but much weaker colonist, and that is it, but how dare you??
5. The economy is most measured by GDP(or GDP growth), but unfortunately, it seems China and India has totally divergence of it. In China, GDP growth meaning new job positions. To overcome the unemployment pressure, China struggle to reach GDP growth goal in each year. In India, however, GDP growth is not related to job creation. So, even India's GDP beats China someday, India can not deal with job pressure at all.
6. We Chinese take India as a pre-modern country, not because of GDP, industry, technology, etc, but no society reform. India's society structure is no different from hundreds and even thousands of years ago. But, no one can ensure if India can survive in civilization revolution.
Finally, China and India have no need to be friends because in history we are never friends and I can not image any necessity to be friends in future.
If I'm not mistaken....... India, in this day and age, still have a caste system, right? WHY????
Bajpai: China's power is 7 times India: Economy 5 X Military 1.2 X Soft Power 1.2 = 7. Sir, what about the 2ab factor discovered by Modi?
Soft power lmao
That's limited for indian and Canadian friendship .
In fact, India's GDP is fake. God modi has included cow dung into GDP
@@unudo3359 don't forget modi jaitley changed gdp calculation around GST launch if we go for old calculation we are almost double low
didn't you see the the 2ab in bracket square ?
How do you going to be great when you can not even deal with covid ?
I agree but where did COVID come from?
John Lee
No comaparisons, please. You can't see the black spots on your bottoms that others see.
india should ask this question: why so many other coutries can have normal relationship with china，some even had border dispute with china，and none of them as economically strong as india. doesn't it mean the problem lies with india，not with china? such simple reasoning，yet indians cannot see it.
They see u as third class people with no self respect…which is what u exactly showing here lol
India has many problems but most importantly we have uneducated Politicians running the country. While 🇨🇳 Chinas politicians are all highly educated. Xi Jin Ping is a BE in Chemical Enginering and Doctor of Law.
Karan I wish you had this interview done in our mother language so that Indian population could have also understood that we have indeed become a vishwa guru.😊😊
He cannot because india does not have a national language. Indians pretend to be Anglo Saxons and to speak English. India is an artificial country created by British. Without English language to communicate with each other India is not even a country.
@@hasanmahmood653 Lol, 😂
@@hasanmahmood653 coming from a Pakistani lmao
@@Robertsmith001 he's spot on though. India is a British creation.
The biggest civilisation problem in this country is cynicism towards others and glorification towards own self. The second one is, slander and tyranny towards anyone better than others. The third one is, mediocrity is rewarded at the cost of genuine talent. There are different ways of discrediting and belittling real talent and glorifying mediocrity. This phenomenon happens in families, among friends, in institutions, in workplaces, almost everywhere. Dedication and hardwork are not respected or valued. The other big civilisation problem in this country is, no one is sincere enough to call a spade, a spade. A lot of people have an impression that if they are on the side of the corrupt, it will benefit them. Another big problem is, a mistake or a setback is always portrayed as a failure, so much so, everyone is so afraid to make a mistake.
Thete has to be a paradigm shift in our mindset. That is the biggest civilisation problem in this country.
One big policy that can be adopted in this country is, once a child attends the age of 5 years, he/she will be taken care off by the state and their education and upkeep will become the responsibilty of the state till they attend 21 years of age. This will help the child to grow independently and choose his/her career as per his/her choice and aptitude without parental interference or pressure.
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It's a easy path for India and China to become friends than enemies. China has a deep Buddhist root which grew from India.
the problem lies on the politics of India where they are spending too much time on selfish reasons than for the welfare of Indian people. Mr Kanti shouldn't wasted time comparing India to others instead should focus on what and how you could do to contribute to make India better with a long term view. Your enemy is your government not China or other countries.
As a casual observer, it seems to me unfortunately again as in other parts of the world. The border problem between china and india is a result of British Colonialism. Prior to the British, both India and China were civilizational powers that had spheres of territory or influence. But due to the size of these 2 giant civilizations, they never truly delineated their border cm by cm the way Europeans did post westphalian treaty. It is really tragic and unfortunate that in the 21st century these 2 great Asian civilizations are still being affected by lingering effects of colonialism.
How long are you going to play the victim card? It was the West that built up both of those countries. After this globalization ends, India will go back to what it was before the British went there.
Blaming the Brits is old and nonsense. India and China are claiming and counter claim a landlock are bin the himalaya where nothing can grow, nothing of value economically speaking is there except mountain and beautiful cliffs. The two countries are using this for propaganda to win election and maintain power....
@@mischa1880 The West established these countries?
If the population of China and India is not large enough. Today, China and India have long since become the second North American aborigines and Australian aborigines, as well as the second Ainu and Ryukyu people.
Cabasadefogo
What you say about (Westphalian) Europe is a new experience in Asia that will have to learn it from Europe & its past troubled history. Asia will bloody well, do that (don't worry), the hard way.
Also Asia is six times in size to Europe (& much more in population, home to 60% humanity). In that sense Europe is compact, homogenous (relatively) & share the same culture. Asia is disparate, each of its regions (as big as Europe) need to settle issues with other regions too.That process is now on. There is no Pan-Asianism. Only some politicians conjure up things like that. Till now, from 1950, India and China were never neighbours in history.
Cabasadefogo
Till the British were there a buffer state between India (whether under the British or not) & China was in place. It is healthy. Sensing a weak India, China gobbled up Tibet(buffer state) & "became" India's uninvited neighbour (it wasn't a neighbour before). This uninvited guest must be sent back. I pray the Almighty to give that strength to India to accomplish the job.
🇮🇳 is loosing On both the ground of power n perception, a sad reality...
Democracy is not perfect. Socrates pointed out the weakness 2500 years ago. Most people in any society doesn’t have ability to manage the society. Letting the majority to rule is utterly irresponsible especially when truth is not respected. It produces demagogue, which is the problem in India.
As for the relationship with China India needs to understand that decolonialism is a right thing to do, and respect traditional neighbors and their territory integrity. It is necessary for India to negotiate with China and resolve the border dispute that was created by Britain.
理智的分析。
This is the best talk I've heard between two very learned, courteous, and clear-minded Indian gentlemen. Bravo 👍👍👍
44 and 52 votes in 2 elections
India is just too hung up on colonial mentality. While other former colonised nations around the region already moved on to form their own narratives and mentality. They viewed English as important but not to the point of speaking it becoming mother tongues like in many Indian households. They even changed their administrative, education, legal and social systems while India is still based on the English system. In many ways, India is still in a state of mental colonisation.
Great discussion. Mr. Bajpai comes across as a brilliant analyst with his detailed research and knowledge on the subject matter. Thank you 🙏
Rohit M Panchal
i think we should appreciate the tremendous amount of work he put in, before formulating his thesis which is unique. We should emulate it.
Democracy, needs to provide life for people.
democracy needs smart people. first get literate and educated, then become a democracy
@Gene Edmunds India is already worse than usa in those aspects which you mentioned
To crack this problem we need to find out how even the average Indian who leaves India, performs brilliantly well but the same guy will be considered lazy and useless here. Even a top performer like Sundar Pichai may have only made it to mid level management in some Indian company. We can only imagine what would have happened to a scientist like Venky Ramakrishnan if he had stayed.
I'm glad you're realising this. I was extremely crestfallen at the end of 3.5 yrs searching for investors for my robotics company. I believed something was wrong with my product. I randomly pitched to German and Chinese investors and got funding from them in matter of weeks. Even a university in Estonia, tiny lil country, took interest in my work. The contemporary nascent companies that were in line with me here were tried and tested e-commerce companies that got funding, so I'm guessing Indian investors take comfort oriented decisions, which is alright, but it drives out-of-box thinkers to foreign investors and can't capitalize businesses based on early trends eg. we only just entered the race for battery technology which should've happened much earlier but I'm guessing the companies that had an early start did not find the resources they needed for R&D.
Coz Indian politician , system are corrupted
True. Indian government has system so people fail and stay poor. It is set up by congress long time a go and it is not changing for some time now. It is so enstrenched it is difficult to dismantle. It has created unethical sociery where unethical people crowd out ethical people.
What I observed is that Indians mostly want only their caste brethren to prosper and expect others to be subservient to them or their caste. We did not get a leader in recent history who can unite us beyond these thinking. Individually Indians are very talented people which we can observe when they move away from India, but as a group we move nowhere.
Indeed! I mean, look no further than the fact that, relating to the point of making it easy to attract people to India, India does not even allow its own citizens (or rather, ex-citizens) to come back and contribute to the country. You have to give up citizenship the moment you acquire a foreign one. And if you do decide to come back anyway against all prevailing wisdom, you're treated like a second-class citizen in your birth country and have to wait 12 years to reacquire citizenship. And they wonder why so many people make it their life mission to leave India and not come back...
A civilizations change is required in Whole South Asia. As a region we are comparable to Sub Saharan Africa. See those videos showing our urban centres, food, and sanitation, and movies etc. they have no class.
Absolutely Farhat ji and we are so allergic and defensive to any rational criticism. We are fed fake communal and nationalistic narrative of being so grand that we loose sense of all reality.
非常清醒的印度学者，印度要实现大国梦，一场社会革命是必须的，虽然非常困难。印度文明的过去非常辉煌，但是现在的印度要崛起必须进行深层次的自我变革。
Brilliant. Pls translate into English.
哈哈，民选制度（他们称为民主），已然宗教化了，民主成了信仰。没有血与泪，没有大智慧大魅力的人物出现，是不可能实现彻底的革命。
如果中国能突破西方的压制，彻底打破西方的霸权，遥遥领先西方，这个世界才有可能发起新一轮自我反省和革命！
@@PlasticExtrusionProfiles 信了自由民主神教了，毛泽东都救不了了。
一個連自己的文字都沒有的國家，不可能在外來的文字上建立自己連續的文化承脈。自我變革是完全不可能的。洗洗睡吧。
难得看到印度有这么清醒的精英。印度这么多理工科精英输送英美，却搞不好自己的国家，民众连基本的温饱卫生都无法维持，却美其名曰民主自由，用一个欧美认证的概念就搞定了良知，真懒。
title should be changed to "China can not be bulled until india catch up"
Let's face the truth. Even Nigeria is likely to be first doing Bajpai's prescriptions than India. What delusion.
7 yrs wasted (for most indians)
Our competitors are Africa - countries like Nigeria. ( For jobs, resources) - not China.
Can u enlighten us what were Bajpai's prescriptions ?
@@Cakemake-123. watch the video
@@milkman9011 ?
Till 2014 the gap between India and China were very little, now we lag way behind... thanks to the extreme hindutva policy
One of the finest interviews.. So happy to hear such a wisdom from an Indian.. Great job.. I know why he reside outside India lack of opportunity for such a brilliant mind that's the sad part which tell priety much everything.. We should have more world class universities to have eminent scholar to reside in India.. Pls spend at least 5 percentage of Indian GDP for education... Humble request to Indian government..
5% GDP on education will be a dream. As long as Electoral bonds run the Parties and Leaders goal is to win next election. Its disappointing, Bangladesh pose a challenge, forget China.
China still able to works with Russia, Vietnam and Japan although they all have war with each others in the past.
But only India unable to work with China, not only that, India also difficulty to deal with Sri Lanka, Pakistan , Tibet and Bhutan recently.
India must make a "Choices" in their politic whether or not wanted to deal with them all. If "Yes" them problems must put aside and deal with in.
Recent lead with Modi government , don't see much wisdom how his government going to deal with it.
modi has the wisdom, however, populism agitated by Modi can not be extinguished in short time.
India is vindictive and vengeful.
To India from China:
Give me a call when you have your own space station.
Good Luck in the meantime 👌
As far as I know
The current status is there are only 2 operating in space
There is the International Space Station (ISS) shared between a few countries
The other is Chinese wholly owned by China
Please advise when was yours launched in space?
@@DIRKDIGG88 Okay we don't have a space station but we do have a space agency which ranks right after the Russian Space agency
For-sure! india needs to revise their leadership. We need intelligent, educated & compassionate leaders to take the country to the next level. Listen to each and every statement made by this host. We don’t need some religious fanatics to lead a country of intellectuals. Vote wisely India!
Many many thanks to the guest speaker. It was great experience and pleasure listening to Mr. Bajpai.
Amazing clarity and much needed guiding points for all thinkers in india with a To Do list. Indian youth must read his book . Our division is strength as well as greatest challenge . India need 50 years forward thinking and commit resources too. Big is always not better . Israeli proved what a small city can achieve . India does have great strengths must be leveraged well .
Think sundar pichai working in Reliance as a Manager if he had never gone to US. When Mukesh Ambani will die his son or daughter will become CEO no matter how much talent they have in employees.
Congress & Nehru family r gurus. Same in Islamic royal families also isn't it. Why targetting Reliance. Forgot conveniently what happens in Arab families & Congress Nehru
dynasty. Is not Biden pushing his son Hunter Biden. Biased comment isn't it like wire a congress dynasty median
@@jotendrakumar2852 In politics at least they have to fight for a election to get people's support, but in the case of corporate world Mukesh Ambani don't have to do anything to acquire his father position..
if India's GDP is 5 times larger than Chinese GDP. What are the normal India people view China? What are the India's perceptions on China.
What is wrong with China viewing India as at best a middle power and an aspiring great power? It is the truth and a pragmatic view. Why are India/Indians offended by this?
I think India should just focus on improving itself, instead of constantly trying to make comparisons with other nations. With progress in due time, they will naturally gain the much desired respect.
China gov’t politics putting it aside, their vision for their country they done a praise worthy job, ahead of the even western country, a infrastructure developments and damms building , lessons for the world! Not only China but the west also has similar feeling for India!
Democracy doesn’t work for developing nations, none of the developed countries were really democracies before they were developed. They only became democracies after they became developed. It’s likely India’s democracy will continue to drag its feet, but who knows, maybe India can find a way through the chaos.
What? Don't be silly, How did Taiwan, Japan Hong Kong, Singapore Malaysia do it then? By investing in education and healthcare and reducing military spending to focus on other areas of growth, this is what the CCP did, nothing to do with it being authoritarian or a democracy
@@antiracistbaby1085 C'mon, You say Taiwan & South Korea & Singapore were democracies before their industrialization? Check your history plz. These three societies were ruled by pure dictators who were ultra ruthless by modern standards, but successfully industrialized/modernized under the iron fist.
@@antiracistbaby1085 Even now Singapore is still not a democracy
Democracy claims by even the developed countries is dubious. How else do one explain gerrymandering, electoral college, etc? Least we forget, Jeffersonian democracy was not so democratic after all. It took Martin Luther King, Malcolm X to force amendments for a more open, egalitarian process that is even now being brought back into questioning by electronic processes and dual party shenanigans: exclusivity maneuvers. Electoral sabotage is a major concern in many countries today.
That's a false narrative spin by CCP. Almost all totalitarian state failed to develop or sustain its development, monopoly leads to inefficiency as well corruption. China is the only exception thus far. Whereas many more democracy successfully developed. Japan & Singapore are democratic with fixed election, the same party ruled only becoz they got re-elected. Taiwan & S. Korea truly took off only dictatorship ended.
Problem with India isn't democracy, but it's an union of many states like EU, thus many frictions and differences. If you remove democracy and state rights, Indian Union will break up.
Why Indian like to compare China and India so much? It’s obvious that india won ,wins and will win in all fields. Chinese know they can’t catch up Indian achievements forever so that they always compare to themselves. Maybe they don’t have time or energy to think about this question at all.
India can never be on par with China , face it!!
India needs respect herself first before asking others to respect her.
Very informative. I like the part where this piece is more of an introspection of the Indian psyche than Chinese aggression. Indians are so entrenched by colonial mindset. Indians to this date are looking for acknowledgement and consolation from west than actually acting on our ideals and values. Do we always have to need a approval from our white masters? Can we please have these neutral informative programs that help the general populace than putting out partisan videos. Much appreciated.
In last seven years we became the proxy of America against China instead of focusing on development and infrastructure
if you are an Indian, you are part of the hope that India will succeed, if your side wins over the US stooge side.
@@ishtiaqueahmed8450 agreed
Like it or not the author tells it exactly as it is. The unvarnished truth. India is not a patch on China and given the nature of us Indians and the direction in which we are heading as a nation leave alone catching up with China, we are going to become even more insignificant. All of this feels depressing but it’s absolutely true.
This is a sample size of 1 as a Chinese American growing up around a lot of Indian Americans, but I never once ever had racist views towards my Indian friends. Half my friends and best friends were indian/Pakistani growing up, and we were all in the similar AP classes. We also overlapped a lot in engineering school and med school. Now as a practicing physician, many of my colleagues and friends are Indian. I think at an individual level, our cultures between India and China as well as around the world are very very compatible. At a state to state level, there will always be frictions and I hope the countries resolve them. There is much to be gained from a peaceful future.
China has always been suspicious of India since the 19th century. Britain used India as the launchpad to torment China although they could never colonize them. Lot of goodwill was lost by mid 20th century when India became independent. Proximity to western powers and joining the commonwealth etc. are further reasons. Then came Tibet and the dalai lama episodes. War in 1961-62 and border tensions. China's support to Pakistan and Modi's obsession with the US in recent years have made things worse. Today the greatest threat to India in terms of economic and military power is from China. Unless there is leadership change in both countries there is no immediate chance of improving relations.
The moment Dalai Lama was given refuge india chose it's path so no more remorse about current scene .
We got a fresh start in 1947. If India didn't insist on claiming every inch of British colonial line, China was willingly to compromise. Nehru rejected any negotiation, he thought he could arm-twisted China like a princely state, well, the rest is history.
@@tobacco118 We can't live in history. It is geography today that's the problem. Nehru at least fought a war. Modi just lied nobody came in. 1500 sq kms is now occupied of the earlier area under Indian patrolling. What do you say to that?
@@sureshmurty6523 Without knowing the past, we can't look for a solution. Problem of today's geography is the result of history. Had Nehru chose to negotiate, war with China would've been avoided. Instead he launched Forward Policy into Tibet, thinking he could repeat another Goa.
I'm not a bhakt, but why Modi? Suppose Rahul is the PM, stopping short of going to war, the situation won't be any different. China is not Nepal or Pakistan.
@@tobacco118 Your problem is you are a Nehru blamer and Modi apologist. Rahul Gandhi will never be pm perhaps so dragging his name into the debate is a spuriously argument. In 1969 and around 1986 or so both Indira Gandhi and Rajiv pushed back China decisively in Nathula and Arunanchal Pradesh. A focussed war is always an option even if you were caught napping. I suggest read a little more especially about our army. I wonder how old you are to be making sweeping statements. I still maintain Modi lost his nerve completely when he realized hugging the Chinese dragon was a mistake.
This was such a brilliant interview. I wonder if I would have ever come to know about Mr Bajpai it not for The Wire.
A straightforward and indepth study of the true state of affairs unclouded by sentiments and emotions between China and India and most important of all, by an Indian academic.
Brilliant discussion.
He said Chinese view India as inferior, that was his own prejudice in looking down his own people, being educated in own elitist English view. Indians should be ashamed of him.
Liking the video even before watching it. Thumbnail itself conveys significant insight
Whatever Bajpai is telling about Chinese perspective of India is more sounding like perspective of Indian themselves.
After reading most of the comments in the comments section my thoughts were like
"Kaun hai ye log Kahan se aate hai"...
Same bro . How much they hate India and are hoping India to fail.
Dear Karen Thaper sir,
please get an interview with ambassador m k Bhadrakumar...in my view He was one of the brilliant diplomats india have ever produced..mr kanti bajpai and usually our indian commentators is heavily influenced by American think tanks..so also pls try to put other point of view of persons like ambassador M k bhadrakumar also. As a student of geopolitics the blog 'Indian punchline' by mk bhadrakumar is very much informative and refreshing..
Reality check,these are hard facts of India.
As neighbours, India & china have never fought with each other except in 1962. Historically Ladakh was always part of Tibet and was ruled from Lasa and not Srinagar. It was only in the early nineteenth century that Ladakh became part of India when the Sikh army With the Dogra king conquered Ladakh. In the Fifties, India recognised Tibet as part of China.
Not true, Dogra fought China in 1850's.
“Chai ☕️ wallah” should watch this clip …. He will cry 😢 out loud in shame !!!!!
Start the movement, anti chai wallah movement. Self pride will bring this nation down.😥
Did you notice the part where the guest was talking about getting over India's Feudal mentality?
You can start right now. Please don't insult tea sellers because of your and Modi's real or imagined connection to them.
@@maddoo23 : TRUTH HURTS 🙃 … I KNOW.
@@ProjektJay TRUTH HURTS …. 😡
Thanks for the reality check Kanti!
Very interesting analysis about the comparative strengths and weaknesses of India and China in different areas and it is an eye opener. The other important point made in the discussion is that until we make a transition from predominant feudal society to egalitarian society that means moving towards urbanisation, it may be difficult to compete globally.
Urbanization is not enough. Enforcement of contracts is what makes the transition from barbarism clear.
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Urbanisation by living in urban slums?
India is so close by 7 times only not hundreds, hurry up
The great irony with China and Inda is that China is seen as destroying its past because of the Cultural Revolution and that India retained its great cultural past. This is true, but the cultural revolution not only destroyed the good parts of Chinese culture, but also the negative, backwards aspects too. This was done in one generation and actually allowed China to modernise quickly, something pretty difficult to do with a billion people. India now has to let go some aspects of its past, but that is more difficult with 1.4 billion people and reliant on cooperation of the populace
As a Chinese, I am sorry to say that there is no question of respect or disrespect. Getting respect from others depends on your own strength. The first thing you do is to clean up your mother river and litter around before you participate in great power competition😢