Off The Cuff with Kanti Bajpai
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Xi Jinping's biggest nightmare is losing control due to internal convulsions in China, like what happened during the collapse of the erstwhile Soviet Union - Kanti Bajpai, Director, Centre on Asia & Globalisation, Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy, NUS, tells ThePrint Editor-in-Chief Shekhar Gupta and co-host Aadil Brar, China expert and columnist, while discussing his new book, 'India versus China: Why They Are Not Friends’, at ThePrint’s ‘Off The Cuff’.
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Prof. Kanti Bajpai, listening to your conceptual formulations, arguments, reading your popular articles, serious academic works over the years has always been an immensely rewarding, enriching experience ever since your days in MSU, Baroda in early 1990s. The clarity you produce on complex issues of politics- domestic & international - is simply amazing. Thank you three - hosts & guest.
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I loved the interview..... especially 2 questions asked by Aadil Brar ( 1. Impact China has through games and art. 2. The dynamics between the Chinese and Indian expatriates. )......this session was thought provoking......💯👏🏾👍🏾
What will India do when the US Empire collapses?
They will get around to thinking about that when it happens 😂
@@sword7872 it will be too late by then.
India will probably takeover from the US, like the US took over from the Great Britain after WW II.
@@Nikhil.Ranjan That is the tragedy. India can only stoop to the level of the US.
@@Nikhil.Ranjan china will. Because they are second
Shekhar had to wake up Aadil Number f times. When Kanti finished his reply Aadil was not alert on number of occasions
I watch CGTN for serious stuff. WION with pulki for entertainment.
"People screaming at each other including the anchor ". Hahaha NewsX , but this channel is fun, esp the old guy with the very white hair whom the Indian internet community think is "erudite".
I believe in our democracy. We have been casting votes based on cast, ideology and ethnicity to address our social challenges first. Which is cool!
We didn't care much about economy yet. But most of us now feel secure enough socially to look towards fine tuning economy.
Feels like just the right time for our Industries, products and people to go compete with east-west, show indian resilience and disrupt the world of economy. Good luck to all of you. 👍
This is a very interesting and compelling discussion. A balanced view on China and it's relationship with India
Hey Am always happy is see and listen to you
Happy hear. Well done Shekharji to get right guys into u r program and get perspective right .
A very enlightening and objective discussion! Would like to see more such interesting program. Shekharji's timely interjections added even more lucidity and understanding into the picture. Thanks a lot!
It was such a wonderful discussion and very informative. I really enjoyed it. I just hope that our politicians learn from such top notch discussions and do what is required to propel India into the club of developed countries.
It would be wonderful to understand the Indian Language am 75 year old male from Northern Ireland the reason to watch your videos is that have a Hungary Brain that requires knowledge plus always like to know how other country's other races live and i always keep an open mind
*hungry
@@sharduldiwan2009 Am well fed it is only my brain that needs knowledge
India has many languages
Great guest. Kanti seems ro have his pulse on world affairs and perceptions, and he also understands China and its relations with the world.
But most importantly, he tells it like it is and he does not try and make India sound better than they are and does not lie or sugar coat anything.
I can't neo wife the other guy tried to talk about covid and act like India has won soft power as a result of covid, while China lost it..
Like Kanti said, China did spectacular, and handled covid as one of the best, if not the best since China was the first and had no other country to copy, and China was the one who set the model response on how to handle and contain and beat the virus.
China also helped out many nations like Italy and Serbia, when even other EU countries had ignored them and were hoarding PPE and ventilators for themselves, and instead it was only China who was there for them and sent everything they needed, along with a skilled and experienced medical team to assist in the fight in Italy and Serbia and other countries. China is also the main supplier for the whole world, especially developing countries in terms of vaccines, so this is another benefit since west is hoarding it all and only selling to highest bidder, aka rich west white mans club. So China again can easily win many friends and influence in terms of competition with west and USA.
USA did horrible, and came out far worse than China. At the start even Chinese mainlanders were worried if the gig could handle it and thought our gov was fucking it up, but then when other countries got it and they were a thousand times worse, we finally realised that we were too demanding and in fact China's response had been one of the best, if not best, and that the city and state wide lockdowns were indeed warranted and not overly unnecessary Draconian measure from an authoritarian gov like how western media tried to spin it at the start.
After western first world democracies fucked everything up so hard, and 500,000 Americans dead and they can't even wear masks, we Chinese knew and our confidence grew. This is a pivotal point in history, same as in 2008 when USA and western world crashed the world economy, a actually had to bail out USA and buy one trillion in treasury bonds. Before that Chinese and China looked up to the west and thought they knew how to manage economy and finances. After that, not so much.
So yeah. Chinese soft power not only grew immensely, Chinese confidence in everything including their system/model of development and governance is at an all time sky high. And western confidence in their model and system of governance is at an all time low.
China posted 18.3% growth rate for first quarter of 2021. First country to bounce back, and now China is at the Center of the world and leading driver of growth for the world and whoever trades with China. You want to decouple or trade less with China? Go for it. Instead of 0% growth you will instead post -20% like India in 2020. China still posted 2-3% growth in 2020, which is amazing. USA and most developed countries would love to have 2-3% in normal times.
India does not need Pakistan or China expert or experts on any country.
All it has to do is follow the US media, experts and officials.
Correct
Linear extrapolation into the future is not a good idea
Ask him if the Congress can turn this around...
India and China should seek common ground.
I think most chinese also feel sorry for the Indian population in general because they have been so poorly governed. Imagine that the population is over 1billion and can be india's greatest dividend, yet the government doesn't do everything possible to ensure that stunted growth is eliminated yet allows it to turn the population into a burden.
What are your thoughts about the movement by some western countries to Boycott the winter Olympic Games . And what sort of impact that have with the Chinese and rest of the western world. Also would india too Boycott the games .
If only the western countries would really come to boycott the winter Olympic games. As a matter of fact, the Olympic game which was in western control has entered into an embarrassing situation that very few countries are still interested in hosting an Olympics because the influence faded away.
I hope India bridges the CNP gap else, it's hard days ahead.
It is horrifying to imagine a gdp gap of $24t😶
Drawing inference from the conversation, I think China has almost achieved its ancient prestige, while it may take India another 50-70 years.
Doesn't matter.... We ll be max 1/3 in ppp terms....... Real concern is if china starts innovating and transforms it's economy..... Its invested heavily in AI, rare earths, ev and solar, that's d major concern
We are already there bro. China's ppp gdp is $26t and India is $10t.
Moving forward, India for sure is gonna grow faster than china this decade.
Issue is , will we be able to cl9ck an avg growth rate of 10%. Cause that would bridge the gap substantially.
If China grows at 5% and India at 10% PPP
China by 2030 : $43t
India by 2030 : $26t
If we get another decade of 10%
CHINA: $70t
INDIA : $67t
So gap is bridgeable
@@sharduldiwan2009 hahaha..... We ll come back to this thread by 2030 then.....
@@nellaikumar7555 Yehh true. It's highly unlikely, but only thing we can do now is trust and believe🙂
@@sharduldiwan2009 Well given the focus on Infrastructure, reforms and reducing red tape, it is certainly possible.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Kanti bajpey new book" india vs china why they are not friends"
4p that couse rift in india china relations..
Power(economic/military)
Perception
Parameter (territorial)
Partnerships(ind-us/ china-pak/ )
CNP(comprenshive national power = hard power + soft power) china have more then 7cnp then india
Don’t make simple things complicated. India-china relation is not hard to appreciate.
Seemingly very objective and realistic analysis, but may be a bit too pessimistic towards India. Due credit to China but you are undercutting India's influence massively. Would appreciate SG and Print team getting experts who have diverse views to provide a balanced perspective.
Undercutting India how? Where? Make your argument, otherwise no one knows what you're referring to..
Most people in 1970s till 1990s similar views about USSR. One went to the Soviet cities and felt it was better than west. Then the bubble burst.27.30 Chinese food is more acceptable then Indian Food. View from SG maybe. The person likes Chinese propaganda channels & NDTV. 😇
" One went to the Soviet cities and felt it was better than west". That is not true..
Thank to print
Intellectual spaces are still alive and lucid.
I don’t understand what evidence of a peaceful voluntaristic tributary is system is displayed by China. Is it the assertion of 9 dash line or 1959 claim line? And more importantly in contemporary world why does any sovereign country require external validation of their government?
I think we think about GDP too much. GDP in PPP terms matter especially for countries where most of the food is created inhouse.
Even if you count in those terms China is 3x times bigger than India's GDP PPP
no, PPP is good when you just look at domestic perception. Globally nominal GDP is what matters because your wealth is always relative, nominal equates that relativity. PPP is good for domestic market analysis. You want to project international strength, that needs internationally weighted nominal gdp.
Mr Bajpai, needs needs to compare it's self with Pakistan and not China....
You want to compare with Pakistan and feel proud ??😂😂
Compare good things from china with yourselves
Awful discussion. Mr. Bajpai is fawning over China like a teenager does for his/her idols. He is also mostly wrong. I will give one example: He thinks India & china are not friends because of today's 'power differences' but even 50 yrs ago we were not friends when this 'power deference' was non-existent. A simpler explanation is, nations do not like their neighboring nations to be richer and stronger than themselves.
I had high opinion about Mr. Sekhar Gupta but this piece was disappointing.
i saw your comment where u said that america defeated the nazis..u are so wrong on this...america never defeated the nazis..infact they have hardly defeated their enemies anywhere...it was the soviet red army which decimated the german armed forces.
@@pks2552 In the four years that followed Pearl Harbor, the U.S. and Britain sent 15,000 combat aircraft and nearly 23,000 tanks and armored fighting vehicles to the Soviet Union along with even more massive quantities of strategic materials. Without these, Stalin stated he could not have produced the tanks, aircraft, and other heavy weapons needed to defeat Nazi Germany. This Allied military-industrial aid put the wartime needs of U.S. and U.K. forces as well as their own citizens behind Stalin’s needs and requisitions while also providing 430,000 US trucks and jeeps under Lend-Lease which constituted the bulk of Soviet motorized capabilities of the Red Army.
@@nakshatraroy7442 "This Allied military-industrial aid put the wartime needs of U.S. and U.K. forces as well as their own citizens behind Stalin’s needs" ..well..they don't wanted their own people to die...it was to create a diversion from the western to the eastern front..the soviets lost more men and material than the alied army ..the US's intent was not to help stalin but to help it's own cause...because they knew that once europe was defeated..the USA was next in list of Germany ..if USA wanted to help directly why did they not join war when UK was being bombed by germany.they only sent aid and not army to UK...Even without US and UK's help stalin could have defeated Nazi empire though with great pain...if they had abandoned moscow and retreated to siberia..like they did during napoleonic invasion of russia..USA has never defeated any enemy of considerable size except Great Britain.
@@pks2552 Well, Field Marshall Pratik Kumar, plenty of books have been written and documentaries made about WWII and honestly I do not have expertise to improve over them. If you have such expertise then you are welcome to keep it. But just so you know, Supreme commander of Allied forces in Europe was an American, Gen Dwight Eisenhower (34 th Prez). Similarly, the supreme commander in Pacific theatre was another American Gen Douglas McArthur. Americans, like English & Russians sacrificed tremendously to defeat Nazis & Fascists and we are grateful to all those heroes.
@@nakshatraroy7442 like you said..you are no expert..neither am i.but i know this that .supreme commander of allied forces was an american because the allied army was an anglo-american army..the Red army led by marshal/generalissimo/supreme comander/people's commisar for defence Joseph Stalin..Just to make it clear..the red army was a seperate entity than the anglo american Allied army..it's field marshals took order from STalin..not theAllied supreme commander or the supreme commander of the alied forces in the pacific
Where is the military ratio 1.2 coming from? The very same Lowy report gave China 66 for military capability and India 44. That is 1.5 ratio. Wouldn't that bring the power disparity to 9?
Despite of China enormous growth in just 30 years.
Why we are always anti China
and always appreciate west?
Because we have conflict on interest in many areas : huge territorial conflict which, economic competition , different geopolitical lobbying among long list .
You were colonized by West 200 years
You are speaking their language
If you are not a fake profile idk how you can even access you tube without fear of ending up in reeducation center ( concentration camp ) despite of your cheap remarks just like your products I still hope you don't end up on Tv apologizing for your behaviour after getting torchered and may be loosing an eye of your family member .
And on colonising yes we *were* and also were attacked by other raiders where we failed to defend our self's
but failed retaliation were localised not pan India because we believe in living in peace and enjoying life eating mangos around river reading Kamasutra ( not sure how much Chinese can benefit from it ) .
But we never gave up our ideas of life today even they do "namaste" in UK while under wohan viruse and we are still well off we just killed your 50-60 soldiers and many softies died of cold .
Just read about your century yes century of humiliation and from what Chinese went through if I start mentioning them on you social media your emotionally week "good news" society will start commuting suicide .
See old civilization always undergo through down time (if they are not finished ) but we need to look up and perform for future . Not try to suppress history but learn from it . Not loosing your identity but making it count in world .
We are over colonisation but look at you, Mao destroyed your civilization now your age some insecure hybrid group of people who put restrictions because you can take the truth . I mean look at your precident or anyone they all were western cloths , all rich business man copy there ideas (too shamlessly in case of cars and fast food chain ) and send their children to study in West
And you call us colonised , you guys are just cheap copy of them . They already conquered you just read your own Art of War you would understand what I'm saying .
@@uttamsingh6705 ugh
All said and done, China has done well. They have a one party government and an all powerful emperor today. India is well behind China today but who has a better chance of competing with China if not India? Nobody else including the USA has a chance unless India is on their side.
It's a bit like saying Bjp can be defeated only by an opposition that has congress in it.
Kanti seemed a bit differential to China. I don't know if it's the NDTV effect or the NUS funding from China.
Kanti just telling the facts without sugar coating anything.
Truth hurts for some Indians.. Since they see China as a rival or even enemy, so hearing the truth that China is kicking your ass in every way possible can sound "differential" to some, but to those who's unbiased, it's just facts and the cold hard truth.
Forget about competing or beating China, but if India even wants to just improve itself rather than declining or staying in poverty, it needs to hear such truths and then think rationally and come up with a logical rational plan. And then do it instead of just all talk and wishful thinking. Seems that's what a lot of Indians are really good at, but not so much at being humble and working hard like Chinese.
Very boring start
Very biased talk, you are predicting India's growth below its expectations and china's growth above it's own.
Denial.
Mr. Bajpai seems overly enamored by China's economic might. What China did was in atmosphere of cooperation where the World facilitated and welcomed China's rise. Going forward every country will be mindful of implications of China's economic dominance and in their own interest will try everything to subvert China's rise. The world is witnessing a strategic shift in alliances and supply chains and India under the current administration is well poised to make the most of it.
China is a far better country in every single way, they focus on growth and development something which will always remain absent here 😂
True, Indians can also get used to one party system, if they are provided even basic life requirements
No not in all ways they many have lived very machine like life under high surveillance with tonnes of strict rules undermining there freedom of expression , freedom of navigation etc . It's ust life offers you less choices there . All India need is focus on human resources and empower it's business and institutions. We might not beat them but we will be better off.
@@uttamsingh6705 true
@@uttamsingh6705 not gonna happen even in next 100 years, there is still large portion of population which can't afford 2 meals a day yet
@@Vizorfam see but there is also very large chunk of people who are very well off . Just visit Banglore ,Pune , gurugram ,hydrabad they are not old metropolitans but look at the standard of living there .
Even that sizable chunk can over take many of eropean country by there own they we have huge huge chunk of middle class and aspiring middle class who need just one educated person in family who can take there family out of poverty .
And lower class is developing anyway so we have very good chances all we need is a non socialist government not this bhagva communist with Nehru 2.0 leading them , who can actually build regularly mechanism and leave business to people . We will boom .
And since we are entering in information edge I'm not sure non democratic countries will do that well , that dictatorial government works best in industrialization phase so I think China have achieved what they could they would slow down now.
Pathetic knowledge on economics
In the tech world, India is also not behind. Thanks to our familiarity with English and internet penetration, there is big number of international CZcamsrs who make w large quantity of CZcams videos focused only on India. Thanks to CZcams and other social media, amount of cultural interchanges between India and the world is at the pick today. Indians because of their numbers, matters a lot for tech world. When Tiktok and PUBG was banned it didn't seem to hurt indians, but those particular organizations. PUBG took extra ordinary steps to come back to Indian market as their 40% of the user base come from only India.
Biased author. Just blinded by Chinese show-off. One may call it realist I call it pessimist.