Quarians don't have to take a side on GamerGate. Your people get a pass, but Joe here has threatened his standing with Alliance Command by siding with the Twitter-Reapers.
Tali' Zorah nar Rayya I was joking. Actually he did a crappy job researching this but I don't think it would have changed his views anyway. Many people in both GG and AGG forget that not everyone gives a damn or sees these issues as binary divisions in gaming culture. Pretty sure Joe would fit in that neutral category regardless.
Eruptide I had genuinely never heard of GG before watching this video. I watch alot of gaming videos and the subject has never come up, at least not that i remember.
I had to look up the arguments and everything. I think censorship in gaming is wrong. I think stopping peoples ideas are wrong. I think stopping peoples reviews of games and ideas are wrong. Anita is dumb, but not worth the argument. Aside from those things I just said, I am neutral. Don't touch my video games, and well all be nice and happy.
I dont have time for all this games debates bullshit. just wait for games reviews/gameplay, if its good buy the game, no early access crap, no pre-order, no kickstarter projects, no micro transaction fraud. just watch reviews, like it, buy it and support dev, enjoy it then off to figure how to pay taxes and deal with real life problems. Its all business even for Angryjoe and other reviewers. his not doing this videos because he loves all of us. we bring money to the table. and all those videos attacking Nintendo is just to show them, he has 1 million followers and he can really damage their sales if they dont soften their rules with him. Anyhow, i enjoy this kind of videos to have a little bit of insight about how this industry is evolving. and i can see, it's evolving around your pockets by creating people so into gaming drama, to make them recruit others to convince people to spend their hard earn money into buying whatever those companies throw at them.
+TheFancyRoman Not only that there's violence and bad language everywhere. You might as well shut your kid in a metal box with no windows. We can't shield kids from everything. It's ridiculous to think that because we let our kids play violent games that they're gonna go out and kill 30 people. Instead of stopping your kids from playing violent games, monitor how much time they can play those games. Or better yet, as you said DON'T BUY THEM. Either keep them away from violent games or shut the hell up. And STOP TRYING TO DICTATE HOW OTHER PEOPLE RAISE THEIR KIDS! It's my fucking choice whether I let my kid play violent games. You wanna punish every kid for some nutjob who went out and shot people? Stop it. STOP IT NOW!
Am I the only Gamer here who played a crap ton of games, and watched way too many CZcams videos in 2014, but still has no Idea what Gamers Gate actually Is?
I don't know the whole story. It's a whole mess of controversy and questionable ethics. It's almost like Russian nesting dolls, as there seemed to be controversy within even larger controversy, like the Zoe Quinn thing being linked to the Sarkessian and Feminism controversy. It's a tangled web and I never bothered unraveling it. All I know is that most people were either on the fence or generally avoided the topic whilst addressing the smaller topics that it was linked to, as I already mentioned. I guess the thing is that you can't tackle GamerGate as a whole, rather you have to take it on in smaller chunks and draw conclusions from that. it's difficult, and that's why few people could make a decision as to where they stood. Sorry for the whole lesson thing, I can get carried away.
As a gamer, these are my 4 rules: - If I know that a game is GOOD and FINISHED, I will buy it. If not, I don't even bother. - I don't give a shit about console wars. Consoles don't matter, games do. - I stay away from pre-orders, early access and microtransactions. - When it comes to controversies, I see them just as background noise.
I agree on everything kinda but 1. There are very few good Early acces games but there are some(Space engineers and KSC for instance 2. I think controversies are interesting but well everyone likes different things
Here are mine to add to that: 1. do not buy DLC until you know it will be good (Destiny 2's Curse of Osiris and Warmind weren't but were necessary to get more powerful) 2. look for reveiws for the game to see if it will be worth the buy 3. if it's too good to be true, it probably is 4. If a game has to have microtransactions even after the initial buy, get rid of it and ask for a refund. because chances are, you're probably going to get scammed (if it is for the soul purpose of leveling up and make your character stronger without the work) call me old schooled but I prefer leveling up the old fashion way of actually doing the work instead of buying level ups because I'm a rich kid who has money to burn
Comrade Jakendad "ethics in gaming journalism." Does anyone actually care about what Kotaku ect say? It doesn't effect me. I watch AJ and TB and that's about it. Even then I try before I buy. The journos can do what they want as far as I care, 'Games Journalism' is already a joke enough as it is as far as Journalism goes.
onlypinhead2000 Other journalism probably doesn't effect you, but it's still very necessary and isn't a joke. 'Games Journalism' is a joke because we don't need games journalists. We can get all the information about video games ourselves through play tests and videos. We don't need a yay or nay from someone about something we can go and see for ourselves. TL;DR: games journalists are as useful as art critics.
InsaneEnergy Well thanks for the explanation. Cause looking at the Tweets and videos, I don't even know what the fuck is going on. It's a pinnacle of clusterfucks
ThePooper3000 I really hate to disagree with Angry Joe, I really admire the guy, and he has been more honest on the issue than ANY MAJOR GAME JOURNALIST IN THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY(with maybe one or two exceptions). He made a very nice post on his website forum that I hope people will take the time to look up. Considering the misinformed opinions, and FLAT OUT LIES that MANY major journalists have been spreading about gamergate since day one, a little open-minded neutrality is just excellent. Joe, I love you. Short answer: It's mostly politics, my friend, either you want to play a game where people point fingers and discuss who did what, or you want to play a game where you shoot/stab dudes/dudettes. Choose now, and don't look back. At least we can have a nice healthy debate with a gamergater, we can't have a discussion with Kotaku, they are above criticism.
Michael Welsh Oh enlighten us. Funding TFYC's game practically all by themselves doesn't count for you? Tough room. The average youtube rager may not be the most eloquent soul, but as activists they're far more devoted and honest than Anita has EVER BEEN.
The worst hasn't even started yet. SWAT raids can cause a lot of stuff; Property damage, death of pets (Standard SWAT practice is to shoot potentially dangerous dogs on sight), and even accidental deaths caused by an itchy trigger finger (There is indeed precedent for this). If Swatting continues, it won't be long before someone gets seriously hurt or killed, and that's one of the scariest things about it.
There have been several swatters arrested so far. Their ages range from 16-mid 20s so it's confirmed that these are fairly young immature people doing this reckless shit. I love reading about swatters getting arrested but I won't be satisfied until every single one is punished.
I have seen some Twitch broadcasters abuse the power they have. On occasions I have seen them yell/verbally abuse viewers. If these are the types that get "swat" then I feel no sympathy for them. Not everyone on the internet is powerless at the other end of that Cat-4 cable. As mean as I may sound.
It goes both ways. Video games borne from patriarchal society will express patriarchy, which in turn reinforces patriarchy. Sexism does come from games, but only because games were borne from a sexist culture.
LamentationsEnd That makes no sense. Feminism was born in a patriarchal society. Does that mean that it expresses patriarchy which in turn reinforces patriarchy? You're also making the assumption that the western world today is a patriarchy. It is not.
manhunt48 Hmm, dude, we ALL agree to that! Do you really think we believe that games make people sexist? No. Sexism exist, and it just so happens that they found an hashtag as a form of support group for sexist a-holes. Let me point you out to something: Most of the people you're fighting against, the anti-GG side? They are gamers. I'm a gamer. A feminist gamer, and not ashamed of it either. That's why there's a war; because there's a side who want better female representation in the gaming world, and then there's GG who's afraid of that kind of change, thinking it will take away their games or something. And, yes, there's the good GG who actually care about corruption in gaming medias, but those are quite rare. I mean, honestly, in 5 months of existence, compare the accomplishments made in tackling corruption VS those made in attacking the idea of the gaming world being more women-friendly, you can see there is very little done against corruption from GG...
ChevaliersEmeraude GamerGate is mostly about ethics in games' journalism. There are definitely people that advocate against feminism but they don't advocate against women. As someone who doesn't live in a western country and doesn't have any direct contact with feminism, I can only go by what I see in the media and online. What I see is that feminism has been taken over by radicals and the idea of equality between genders is being used to demonize men for not behaving like women. That's why I agree that it has no business in video games, where the majority of the market is male. Arguing against feminism isn't anti-woman. Only 23% of all women in the US describe themselves as feminists, so clearly it doesn't represent every woman's interests.
GTA V doesn't exactly highlight killing innocence people in missions. You have they gang members, corrupt government officials and assholes. But you're right though, in gta you can voluntarily shoot good people.
poop101205 Yeah, you're right its not in missions in gta like in hatred. and then rises the question, whats worse? Being told to kill innocent people or voluntarily killing innocents?
I think it's up to your moral mindset in the case of GTA. However in hatred, Joe didn't like the idea of being forced to kill innocent people in a time frame over and over again. I am going to say that they are both bad, But hatred is far to the left.
GTA doesn't force you to kill innocents. That is on you, buddy. The plot has you kill criminals and sometimes cops only. Never mind that, if you are uber skilled, you can avoid killing in general using a stun gun and then knocking enemies unconsious.
And now I finally understand GamerGate. Do I support it? *No.* Am I against it? *No*. You know why? BECAUSE I DON'T GIVE A *FUCK* AND JUST WANT TO PLAY A VIDEO GAME WITHOUT ANY FUCKING DRAMA! I'm gonna be Neutral and just stay out of it like I've been for the last part of 2014.
dammit, you have a point. I don't really hate drama but I just find it annoying for my tastes. I just want to play games without everyone else arguing over stuff they try to relate to video games which really doesn't. That is what I meant to say.
Eruptide Yep... because typing in caps signifies drama... Ooh Wee. Funny also because I never said I hated drama, but I said I wanted to play my games without drama and bullshit, because they're supposed to be fun. So I shall now indeed, hand you an L.
Okay Joe, your entire GamerGate rant was, to use your own words here, BULLSHIT! While it is correct that the GamerGate as it is known today was triggered by the Quinspiracy posts, that is not, NOT the crux of the issue. Long before that, gaming journalists were starting to injects extreme feminist ideology and identity politics into their articles, right up to a point where many of the articles on these sites weren't even really about gaming any more. There was already and issue with journalism long before Quinn. Quinn was the smoking gun that provided the proof that there was something wrong in game journalism. The movement is not about attacking feminism and I take issue with the way that you have characterized that as being the foundation of the movement, as it clearly isnt. The issue is that those who are standing against GamerGate are in fact cultural Marxists, pushing an extreme left wing agenda. You might not think that it affects gamers as a whole, but it does and unless someone stands up and says no, it will continue to affect your games more and more. And this whole SJW movement has been going on long before GamerGate came around. Many may not be familiar with the culture war that has erupted online as a part of the larger culture war. But one part of that culture war ended up with Atheism+ coming about. This was the cultural appropriation of the Atheism community by radical, 3rd wave feminists and their followers. Im sure you cant see what the big deal is and Im not going to deride or ridicule you if you dont, but, this whole issue needs a lot more research conducting on your part than just looking at GamerGate because the whole SJW movement is much deeper and much more insidious than you can even imagine. But enough of that. Im glad that this video is back up. One common tactic in cultural appropriation is to take down videos that dont agree 100% with them or is critical of them. Its why most people in gamergate are blocked by the SJWs, stifling any debate that they claim to want to have. I just hope that you will look deeper into this issue and realize that it is a rabbit hole and a symptom of something far more serious and toxic.
Blargh Shmarg He really is. However, he has at least done some cursory research into GamerGate, enough to allow him to conclude that at least aGGros are full of shit, but he hasn't dug deep enough to see just how dangerous this SJW attack on gamers actually is. Never the less, I will continue to watch his shows. I find him highly entertaining and informative when it comes to games, though I do kind of wish he would move away from point scores. But its his show and I still enjoy it.
Fingleberrys No, it had not. That is the narrative that is being spun by those people who have a larger soap box to stand on in the Mainstream Media and paid shills. The IGDA and Silverstring Media have both been using as much of their influence as possible to deride and characterize GamerGate as something that it is not. And then you have the usual 3rd wave feminist tactic of calling any criticism of their ideas as misogyny...which it isnt. People hate The 3 Literally Whos not because they are fucking women...they are hated because of what they say, the piss poor and unresearched work that they do and the reasons that they do it. For them, this is about one thing, playing professional victims for money.
I'm sorry Joe but I can't agree with you when you say that people like Anita are "real gamers". They're people with an agenda much before that. If you've played Hitman or GTA V, their critics on these two games SHOULD turn your stomach upside down. Otherwise it's more neutral than it seems just by reading folks' comments.
AmaranteStryfe Yes. She also said she didn't. And if she does she's a pretty bad gamer since she can't really remember what happens in the game she does claim to play.
AmaranteStryfe Yes she did, a few years after admitting that she doesn't and didn't play videogames because they are all about chainsawing people's heads off. This also explains why she stole lets play footage and to this day can't hold or use a controller correctly.
Rozmic Fair enough, but mom can barely game anymore because of her arthritis. Does this mean she's not a gamer anymore? She loves watching games still. If i were to make videos about feminism in videogames...well I'd be showing my own footage, but I'd have to limit it to pc games as I have ignored the last two generations of consoles.
I'm sorry, but you won't convince me that Anita Sarkessian is some victim or someone who needs to be defended when she continues to whine about CZcamsrs with "at least 250,000 subscribers" attacking her. The rape and death threats? That shit needs to stop. But you won't have me trusting her with any honest gaming opinion. Also, never got into the whole GamerGate thing. I acknowledge there is some bullshit in the gaming world, and I would hope all of us could work together to get along better.
This. Fucking This. The threats need to stop, but she has absolutely no right to start spouting shit about games when she doesn't play games. It's an interesting subject and a discussion we should have, but it is NOT Anita that should be heading.
๖ۣۜBeyond Earth You do know we aren't all like that right? At least, im assuming by 'the feminists' you're talking about every feminist and not just the 'men need to die' or 'every game is an example of how women are objectified by society' feminists that everyone thinks we are. we aren't all close-minded and it's a little rude to genralise every feminist as and extremist when sometimes it's quite the opposite
SleepDeprivedOtaku I will come out and say no, not all feminists are that way. There are ACTUAL feminists and radicals, like D0pamineCl0ud just said. By my opinion, if you support the equality of genders by wanting to raise the standing of women to equalize the balance, we have no problem, man.
Wow... That whole mountain dew game jam thing genuinely makes me sad. I love games, I love making games, and watching a game jam with you, tom and fucking jon tron would have been the best fucking thing ever.
I'm surprised he could even talk about it. From what I could gather most people were under NDAs and that's why the story wasn't talked about much at the time.
tbh I cared a lot more about his earlier controversies than gamergate. Gamergate does not effect my gaming at all. Just ignore it. That is all that you have to do. Shit like early access and micro dlcs can do WAY more damage than a hashtag
SwollenEize I remember one year (I think 2012) that his number one controversy was a game dev being imprisoned for "spying" He said it was number one because it actually harmed people, and it was way more important than a shitty game ending (ME3). I totally agree with you on that. Swatting destroys property, wastes tax dollars, distracts our police from real emergencies, can cause emotional trauma, and can potentially get some one physically hurt or worse.
Omar Solis Most of the broken and buggy games were covered in his top ten disappointing games list. But it still would have made more sense than gamer gate. Of coarse it is just on here because that is what most of the people are talking about it, and most (especially anti gg or pro gg people) would expect it to be high on this list.
Jerricrocko Phd Yeah, I totally understand why its #1. Its a shitstorm that everyone cares about for some reason. But you know, I have a feeling that its just gonna be a forgotten flash in the pan years from now, whereas this trend of buggy games is just the beginning of a real trend that will affect us for years. This the kind of thing we need to stamp out now before gaming publishers get the idea that its perfectly ok to release an unfinished game so long as they can patch it later or worse yet... make you pay for it. But yeah you're not wrong in that sense, especially seeing as how gunshy Joe was about addressing the issue in his video. I heard he shot 5 different versions of #1 just to get it right.
Omar Solis I think he had talked about buggy game releases (in the form of launch disasters) in his 2013 controversies video, in which he mentioned Battlefield 4, Rome Total War 2, and SimCity (2013).
Swatting... I honestly cannot believe people would actually do this type of shit to others, wouldn't the police at the very least do some research on the person first before jumping into conclusions? Also, why would people want to prank both the police and innocent people like this for? They'd be keeping the police away from actual emergencies just because of something that's too horrid to be considered a prank. All I have to say to those trolls is that there's a special place in hell for them to spend all eternity rotting in.
Yup because that's exactly what I hope would happen if the cops got a call saying a psycho with a gun was about to kill me and my family: not jump into action. In a crisis situation, every second counts so cops have to take immediate action. The controversy of cops not taking immediate action and a massacre occurring as a result would be much bigger than swatting.
***** agreed. Some of us anyway, thought this could actually turn into a thread of interesting discussion, instead the monkeys have come out and there is sh*t everywhere.
GamerGate has 2 moments where it blew up. 1- When MASS CENSORSHIP HAPPENED on multiple websites, including reddit and 4chan. This is where I embarked. 2- Gamers are dead thing. Back when this shit was burguersandfries, most of us we didn't give a shit and were just watching froim the sidelines.
Agreed, the Zoe Quinn thing was just something that would pass and everyone who jumped on it said so, they had their "fun" with it, but it didn't take long and someone had to stir more in the pot instead to let it cool down. Now everyone would just *LOVE* to forget about Quinn, but the antis just can't let it fucking go.
Of course not. See how much her patreon inflated from being at the center of this. Whenever we go radio silent on her, she reinserts herself into the narrative. Same for Wu.
I have met good people in GG and GG is an okay gaming club, but honest I never want to hear about Eron or Zoe. Keep relationship drama out of my games and game journalism.
Wastingsometimehere I don't really give too much of a shit about some relationship drama but I do care about a fucking abuse and rape(her definition) victim being called "a jilted ex" or whatever. Joe is even complacent in the abuse that Eron has suffered, in that regard.
I think Joe isn't informed about what Anita is doing. She is misinforming people, lieing, manipulating, etc. She is saying how she represents female gamers, even though they never choose her and don't want to be represented.
There's something I don't think Joe quite understands about #GamerGate. For people like him and Totalbiscuit, it's easy to fight for ethics in gaming via your audience and influence. For us average gamers; the gaming press doesn't give a *fuck* about our concerns. #GamerGate was the first time we were able to have our voices heard and show the press that we exist, not just as straight, white dudes, but as gamers of all races, genders, and sexual orientations. As for the harassment of "anti-GG" women: take note that this harassment has had no direct ties to GG, despite what the media would have you believe. Also take note that "anti-feminism" does not mean they're against women or social justice, they just don't like the hypocrisy and contradictions associated with it. Other than that, I think the neutral approach was fair. I don't agree but I respect Joe for being honest and reasonable.
true the average gamer dosent have 2 million fans who will license to there opinion but "hashtag movement" gives voice to many kinda like anti guns celebrities they dont want it because they dont need it they have mansions with giant walls to protect them and security who will defend them and they send there kids to exclusive private schools
Luckily I heard that the trend might die down because of the current FBI crackdown with lizard squad and that Obama is trying to pass legislation on dealing with international cases like these.
+Rockfilip no thats because people who listen to metal are way more likely to be murderers , and around 95% of all metal listeners are sociopaths or psychopaths... do your research
Derek Hearne who said all europeans and white americans listen to metal? he said 95% of metal listeners then u compare to 95% of essentially just white people.....dude..
+GetTheFuckOffMyChannel If that guy can claim 95% of all metal listeners are sociopaths or psychopaths, why can Derek not claim that 95% of Europeans and Americans listen to metal? What gives one guy the right to make exaggerated and insubstantial claims, but not the other?
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Mojang being bought by Microsoft is great lol. Minecraft can now be more innovative with the new Hololens, and an indie company being bought for a billion dollars is a huge step in gaming.
SuperiorOG Mojang is/was an independent developer and _Minecraft_ was an idie game. There is _no way_ a game like _Minecraft_ could have ever come to exist in the hands of a large corporation like Microsoft. This sort of thing goes against everything that made _Minecraft_ Minecraft and I see _nothing_ good coming of this.
Numbers 10-3 and 1 at the most just made me roll my eyes and go "ugh, that shit". Swatting, though... that's a completely different thing. Whoever's idea it was to pull it off needs to know what a funny joke is and what's *crossing the fucking line*. Those aren't just people dressed up to look like they're making an arrest, those are fucking loaded guns and the people holding them probably wouldn't hesitate to shoot if some absolutely petrified and shaken individual tried to make a run for it. Not only that, but abusing the emergency services like that CAN cost lives if there's a real emergency involving a *real* criminal or there are *real* lives at stake.
Pendejo nationalreport.net/15-year-old-swatted-domestic-terrorism/ How people can do something so incredibly illegal and expect no repercussions is beyond me. This kid's parents are probably wondering what went wrong.
***** They released the age and name of the perp, yet no picture. I always want to see pictures of douchebags, especially when they're receiving justice.
It's sad how many of these commenters do not know about GamerGate and what the companies are doing behind their backs. Man, just look up what Anita Sarkesian used to do, the Independent Gamer awards, and man... I can go on but fuck it. Just sad people are so ignorant about it. PS. Intel supports Feminist Frequency Edit 1 - Oh I forgot, Gamers are dead - Just Google those articles.
I never heard of Gamer Gate until recently on AJS videos and until this one I didn't know wtf it was. Never cared to look it up. As a gamer since birth 26 years ago I never gave two fucks about any of this shit. Too many people get butthurt over what is in a video game. Feelings. If Mario wants to have sex with the Princess after rescuing her, let him. She isn't helpless because she is a girl, she's helpless because it's a fucking turtle dragon that kidnapped her and Mario is a plumber who was trained to eat shrooms all day and spit fire. Fk Feminazi's and fk Vaccinations, Fk ya Measles for everyone.
Baxter Rhodes Which is why there needs to be a massive push against it. If not #GamerGate, then something else. Just sitting around like Joe here and saying "pfft, shit, yeah I support ethics...yeah!" is not enough. There needs to be an organized move for change to happen. Take historical precedent: the Civil Rights movement for example, it was a hell of a well organized movement that required months of training and preparation for the movements to go as planned. They also had backing in the NAACP and similar groups.
Iconoclasm_ Too much work. Gaming journalism is too corrupted. First we would need to hit reviewer sites, then much smaller things. Why reviewers first? They are the reason we get games so people who wouldn't know about the "New Game Order" will have legitimate reviews. Then we would get micro transactions, dlc (or make so dlc is the max is 15$ but the quality is 60$),and last but not least the companies themselves (EA, Capcom, Ubisoft, and Activison). #NewGameOrder But, doing this may change gaming forever, for the better or worse. The question is, are you prepared?
"You GamerGaters need to watch out". - is that a threat? Would Angry Joe ever say that to the Anti-GG side? Of course not. They are the cooler kids in his view. He changes his tone but only to appear impartial. His emotions during this rant speak louder than his words. "I'm tired of hearing about Gamergate" - does Joe wish the general public didn't have a voice to begin with? I understand that playing in a competitive online environment can breed this sentiment towards the male gender. Guys like to trash talk, everyone knows this. And girls don't like it. Does Angry Joe not understand that the feminists and SJWs are the ones provoking this revolt? Constantly. Trashing straight, white males is how people like Anita make a living. Just like Rush Limbaugh going after democrats. Joe never points out anything fundamentally wrong with the anti-GG side. He is just pissed off they didn't win 100 - 0 and criticizes their tactics for destroying the percentage of the population he considers the real scum.
I don't remember claiming to be a flaming GG, so I got nothing to worry about. You don't have to support one side or the other to recognize the consistent reaction to the general public being allowed to voice their opinion thanks to the internet. The press and academia (in San Francisco especially) REALLY doesn't like a free market concept where the mob by virtue of sheer numbers can shout them down.
***** I think it is a vaguely disguised clash of cultures. The San Francisco academic elites are the click of kids who thought they were too cool for the general rift raft back in school. Ethics in journalism - just an excuse for different tax brackets and levels of higher education to throw poo at each other. I wish games had more in-your-face and challenging gameplay. The first generation of games required practice to master. No more. Women as a group will NOT bring challenge to gameplay. The perception (right or wrong) is women want to take challenge away. THAT is a reason for GG to exist, masked behind a curtain of BS talk.
I think he says that the gamergate members need to be careful to avoid going (more) rampant and totally waste the potential of the movement. I mean, to actively inspect the veracity of gaming journalism and spread the popularity of charities is great, but to actively doxxing and harassing people to the point they need to call the police is pretty sick.
Translation of AJ's stance on GG: "I want everyone to like me, coz my views rely on it, so I'm just gonna agree and disagree with everyone, and dodge the facts."
I gotta be honest, Hatred is a game that needs to come out to shock some liberty back into gaming. I'm so sick of these gay ass politically correct games where females can't ever be in danger so as not to pose the risk of "damsel in distress", a character can hate everyone but a gay person because that would be prejudice, and GOD FUCKING FORBID a picture of a female in a bikini flashes on screen for one second.
Jester I dont think hatred will have any effect, all the people in it, boys and girls alike are cardboard cut outs. Replace them with robots and no one would even be able to tell the difference, they dont have any personalities
kewl Boi I bet that's how it actually happened too. Joe suggested a sleepover, Jon said "beers?" and everyone responded "Hell Yeah!" I wish I could've been there. I don't even drink beer and I would've been in agreement with everyone just because of Jon and Joe. That's how awesome they are. I wish someone would draw like a comic or a cartoon of how that went down. I'd watch right away.
I got involved with #GamerGate 1) Because these outlets don't have the right to decide for me whether I use the term Gamer or not. 2) This is a consumer boycott. This is Gamers saying these sites are stupid, are blacklisting game developers based on (undisclosed) personal ideologies. They're making devs miss their bonus for bogus low scoring based on personal crusades (meta-critic needs to be reformed too). These sites are on the way out, and most of us Gamers don't pay much attention to them, but behind the scenes that are causing chaos and damaging game developers. Also, we are fighting the media. Unfortunately the games media has a broad reach into the mainstream, and the has manifested in a concerted smear campaign against us in #GamerGate, and it's continuing to smearing all of Gamers. We're just a bunch of Gamers that don't want our love for our hobby erased and don't want these websites that we don't even browse anymore to control what we play and how it's developed. Admittedly there are a lot of wild idealogies coming from various groups within #GamerGate, but then, how do you propose policing a boycott. For some reason so many that we face up against seem to identify as feminist, specifically 3rd wave. It's especially weird because there are feminists among those of us who support #GamerGate. I guess we're supposedly more 2nd wave but we want equality, these people we're up against, want something else. I won't go into the scam artists, some of which you mentioned in your video, and how they and many of these outlets refuse to have civil conversation. I personally see ethics policies being reformed as great successes because that's what's going to stop these outlets from excerpting undue control on our game; transparency.
Just want to say great post, absolutely phenomenal explanation. Can I just add the whole feminist thing and try to elaborate just a touch? as far as I can tell the absolute biggest reason why Feminism is always brought up is because the mainstream media seems to think that the mainstream third wave radical bigot feminists speak for women as a whole along with other minorities, which is actually why #notyourshield was formed in correlation with #GamerGate Also if I am to be honest I am convinced that this was a cauldron waiting to boil over since Anita first entered the scene (if not even further) with all that bull shit Tropes vs Women (maybe one or two good points but dammit I could not stomach watching any of it now how one sided it is) but with the whole misogyny in games message going around the quinspiracy just seems like the pebble that caused the rocklide, the feather that broke the camels back, whatever metaphor you want to use. helpful at all? most of this is just a bit of observation but still
He wasn't reasonable. Reason has a standard for evidence not a standard in not rocking the boat. Besides, people only hate on gamergate for what others say about it and not what it is. Label anything as misogynist and you press the win button as least as far as liberals are concerned. Hell they did the same thing with Obama's re-election: "There's a war on women herpy derp vote for Obama!" Fact is anyone swayed by such rhetoric are the real sexists.
***** well, having breitbart on the gg site and one writer who like shat on gamers in some tweets, but then kissed Gg asses because they loved his misogynistic diatribes.. (milos greekname, something with yamapopulus or such) so, yeah. or this baldwin guy. seem conservative (so at least one conservo and teabag-nuuter, respectively, whos who ist yours to decide)
Katharina Franke Oh fuck yeah, all the love the Breitbart was suddenly getting outright sickened me. People kept linking me to his site. Seems to me that GamerGate was the excuse all the ultra-conservatives of our generation needed to come out of the woodwork and declare themselves to be the next fox news generation.
GamerGate history in a nutshell. (FG = Anti gamer-gate / GG = gamergate) FG: Alright guys, this girl promised tits so we gave her good reviews, what a great deal right? GG: Wait a minute, is that the ONLY reason you gave that game good reviews? FG: ...Maybe GG: Well then we're calling you out on it. FG: SEXISM! PATRIARCHY! MISOGYNY! DEATH THREATS! GG: Wh-What? We just pointed out the fact that you gave a "meh" game perfect scores because you had relations with the creator FG: RAPE THREATS! WOMAN HATERS! NECKBEARDS! GG: ...You're not going to stop this are you... FG: FOX NEWS! MSNBC! VICTIM-COMPLEX! GG: ...You know if a guy did this we'd crack down on him too right. FG: But you didn't, so you're lying GG: ...We're surrounded by idiots...
2018 -Fallout 76 -Sony dropping about E3 -Tabata leaving SE -Kingdom Hearts 3 leaks -Quantic Dream harassment scandal -Diablo Immortal -EA cancelling Star Wars games -Rockstar over working their employees -Battlefield V being “historically inaccurate” -BO4 having no campaign
And most gamers didn't make fun of the other system either. In fact, we went to our friend's house to play the exclusives on the other console. I miss those days too. I mean I love how much more involved games are nowadays, but the drama today over a freaking hobby is just stupid.
wow your comment just make me remember my childhood ^^ i like to go to my cousin house to play super nitendo and my cousin would go to my place cause i had sega genesis
I MISS GOING TO PEOPLE'S HOUSE TO PLAY 4 PLAYER GAMEs!! hell even 2 player games I just hate the fact the majority of games today, not even just shooters, dont offer split screen multiplayer or split-screen campaign . it has to be only through the internet its like did game developers/companys forget we like having friends over our homes and playing videogames together?
Bryan Mota Steam has a few split screen games. Google it. Just hook up your pc to the TV and get some windows controllers. :) Wii U is still living room fun. Hell, Nintendoland even supports 5 players!
As a supporter of #GamerGate I don't mind taking a neutral stand point at all. You do you do. Just remember it's not #GamerGate that says by taking a neutral stance you "silently support it's harassment". Remember that people on both sides of the issue have faced harassment, something the opposition of the movement has tried very hard to play down or white wash. You wanna know if you support #GamerGate? Q: Do you believe that the media that covers games should be open and honest with their readership? This includes when they write stories about friends or lovers, or if they got special "gifts" from publishers? If you said yes, then congratulations you support it, even if you choose not to in name. GamerGate supporters being called misogynist harassers of women has as much validity as the "Games make people violent" argument from the 90's and the "Games are satanic" argument from the 80's. #GamerGate is what happens when gamers feel like those that are supposed to defend us as consumers decide to spit on our face and mock us when we say enough is enough.
***** That's not just a problem with ethical movements, it's a problem with leaderless movements period. You need to balance whether accepting the name is worth getting coloured by fringe elements and extremists. Right now I wouldn't self-identify as a GamerGater any more than I'd self identify as a feminist or a socialist as the terms are just too loaded for them to be useful in rational discussions.
Not everyone in GG is the same. Personally i don't care if people are feminists or not as long as they are okay with me being an active MRA. I'll make fun of Gone Home but again that's just me. You have to realize you're supporting the cause not all the people involved.
What is iffy to me about GG is that it enables those hateful people to think they are backed up in their opinions. They're suddenly a hateful group instead of single person with a lonely view. But I can say the exact same about the sjw "movement". As a feminist I can't expressjust how cringey I get when SJW identify as feminist and then band together to flame unsuspecting people for breathing wrong. No. You're just being hateful, there is no righteousness in what you're doing. It just spawns this horrible mob mentality imo. There is nothing organised about either group.
feminism isnt the problem. its the feminists(really just misandry) that codemn all men as sexist pigs. i really hate this whole "women NEED to do x,y or z." it seems insulting to me. maybe very few women want to be software developers(which is true). they typically dont find the job appealing. i have 0 problem with women developing a game or doing anything but i do have a problem if a company hires a women over a man(in this case the man is the better programer or whatever) just because they can announce to the world that they have females on their programming team.
***** I wish having to fill a gender quota was something that didn't have to happen. I would really hate knowing I got a job not because of my expertise, but because of my gender. But, on the other side of the coin, I would really hate to NOT get a job because of my gender as well. The fact that women have been shut out of a lot of careers because of their gender has led to this unfortunate way of "solving" the problem. It is ment to be a temporary solution until we reach a point where a female in what was previously seen as a man's job isn't viewed as weird or abnormal. This is also important in mostly female dominant jobs as well. At least in my country there are quotas for men in fields such as nursing, kindergarten, school etc. A man applying as a kindergarten teacher will almost without hesitation get the job because there is such a need for male rolemodels for small children. We need to break ALL the glassroofs. Men in nursing jobs and females in executive jobs. A future where a man isn't afraid to be judged by his peers if he wishes to pursue a "feminine" job, and a woman isn't afraid of harrassment and being undermined if she choose to pursue a job within gaming (for example). And soon in the near future I hope we will not need quotas to make that happen. Though it would always be awsome to try and find different ways to solve the problem. I've always loved gaming yet never actually considered the path of developing them myself. Having delved deeper, however, and gotten to know more female writers/developers/producers I couldn't think of anything I'd rather do :) tl; dr: What I am trying to say is: no, forcing anyone to do anything for the sake of doing it is wrong. That doesn't solve anything. But yet there needs to be paths carved for those walking behind. It may seem absurd and disruptive at the time, but I at least, hope that in the end the result will be something positive. Aaand now I feel like I've talked too much again xD
diamondsofsix you're absolutely right. it sucks that sometimes women are denied jobs because of their gender. it really does. BUT i feel like most businesses could care less about the gender of the employee but rather how good they are at their job because even if an employer hates women, his love of money probably overshadows his hate of women and i feel like it probably doesnt happen as often as we might think.
***** It isn't as common now as it used to be, that is true, and I think some of that is thanks to the excessive light that has been put on the problem. But there aren't that many decades ago since women were denied higher education. So naturally those generations would view women as uneducated and mostly just fit for a job as a secretary. The further we move on the less this will be true, and we can see this in our generation where the mere idea of a woman not being as educated as her male peer, simply because of her gender, is absurd to us. The last of the lingering prejudice is dying off, thankfully. This is of course only speaking about our own tiny little part of the world. If we look broader the idea of a woman not being qualified because of lack of education is very real.
In a perfect world people wouldn't willingly give Konami money for Phantom Pain while screaming "FUCK KONAMI" at the top of their lungs thinking they're actually supporting Kojima directly.
Phantom Bigboss Well it was awesome for sure. I see it as the third "Mercenaries" game that we never got. Finished though...thats pushing it. No matter how much you enjoyed it, its obvious whole sections of the game and narrative are missing.
GamerGate hold on. Don't stop fighting for what y'all believe in. Because if you give up, say goodbye to Grand Theft Auto, Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Metro, Red Dead Redemption, Far Cry, Metal Gear and all other gaming series. All that will be left will be "feelings games".
Esecutive ChaseKatchup Im saying that if these SJW's push their false ideologies enough and get enough backing, that their might be some policies put in place to censor anything that can be offensive in gaming. So lets say that I am offended when characters have Russian accents, because I am Russian. Because of my offense to this, I want all copies of GTA 4 band or dubbed. Also, all Modern Warfare games, because you kill Russians in those games, so I think that you should either band them or replace all the enemies with untextured boxes or something that can't be offensive to anuone else.
***** It is the year 2088. Millions of people have become victims of the dreaded act of SWATting. Last year, the united states has made yet another statement decrying SWATting as terrorist attacks, but the killing still continues. It has been this way for as long as Vivian "James" Sarkeesian can remember. She was given her name in tribute to a video game character, though she didn't mind. Her great-grandmother was a very vocal games critic in her time, even though she wasn't very good at it. On the same day as Vivian's 18th birthday of this year, something horrible happened: the United States' third female president, Sophia E. Alexander, was assassinated in her hometown of Lakewood, California. The president was assassinated by a man claiming that she was "contributing to the patriarchy" by expressing her approval in an amendment being voted on that prevented the government from banning any art form for "equality-based reasons." Her demise resulted in several states rejecting the amendment out of fear of similar attacks following. Not only is the United States outraged, but Japan, Great Britain, France, Brazil, and numerous other countries are also angered by her assassination and how the amendment's passing would ravage their economy. Meanwhile Sweden, Turkey, China, and numerous other countries applaud the failure of the amendment, calling it's defeat "a poetic end for America's history." World War 4 is inevitable. Last time there was a war, part of Russia, both North and South Korea, and the Eastern half of the United States were rendered uninhabitable by nuclear bombardments. But, even with nuclear weaponry all but extinct at this point, this may very well be the war to end humanity. But, just like with the birth of atomic bombs in 1945 and their death in 2025, fate would unleash a new horror on the planet. An unexpected blackout occurs in Vivian's hometown in Nevada. At the time, Vivian was ankledeep in power wires and gaming accessories while playing an online game of Battlefield Dynasty (a cross between Dynasty Warriors and Battlefield. Don't ask why) using her newly acquired Oculus Rift 7. The equipment, however, was highly susceptible to causing electrical shock when turned off improperly. The controller she was using alone could cause electrical burns when misused. The blackout occurs, yet you couldn't tell from the light and explosion that was coming from the room. Under normal circumstances, Vivian would be dead. But this is the origin story of a fucking video game character, so of course she survives. But this survival would come with an... interesting... side effect. /videogameintro
The International Game Developers Association has blacklisted people and developers who refuse to be Anti GamerGate, which is pretty fucked up, and led to one of the only 2 managers of the IGDAs New Jersey Chapter, getting screwed over for being neutral, so that's my personal controversy to share.
If you're going be neutral in this consumer revolt, please don't look like a uninformed moron. The 5 Guys thing was not about slut shaming, is how a certain person was able to manipulate journalists into writing one way to that person's benefit. That person was being in control of the media and had influence.The slut shaming is something spinned by the corrupt media that sides with her. AJ clearly is trying act neutral, but he is doing a shitty job at reporting facts. He just picks and chooses arguments on both sides which looks very half-assed.
Naftul Zvi When you go to a gaming website to read about a game, wouldn't you like that article to have some basis in fact and not be written in favor of the game because the developer gave the author sex/money/gifts? I don't know about you, but I personally don't like being lied to about what I'm looking to purchase. If I wanted that, I'd just smile and nod every time EA announces a game.
Or maybe you can rent the fucking game and decide yourself whether or not you like it. Also who uses one source to decide their opinion about something? Just sounds like you're a bad consumer.
"Angry" Joe seems to be scared to state facts as he may have ties with some game journalists. By the way he talks his ass off with the slut shaming and GG and anti-GG and only mentions the ethics in game journalism (Which is the core important part that actually matters to gamers) he seems to be doing the same as those game journalist by trying to change the subject from the important matter to bullshit. That way everyone can just say GG is just a stupid fight that has no meaning.
***** and the police have been 'informed' that they're about to murder someone... what do you think is going to happen? This shit needs to be shut down. Examples must be made
***** I know a lot of people (including myself) with guns in the house. First off, don't sterotype like that. 2, I agree that swatting could get people killed if the person tried to defend themselves, and that person wouldn't be in the wrong, but neither would the police since they thought they would be going against an armed and dangerous criminal. It would solely be the swatters fault.
I believe there was an incident where a dog was shot by the SWAT team. It's not even the Police's fault. The calls are the scary parts. When the "Swatter" calls, they claim hostage situations, bomb threats, family slaughter. These teams are ready to kill because of the severity of the situation.
i think it has, i dont have the facts to back it up but i believe someones father was killed in a SWAT raid. not totally sure but im sure i saw an article about it a while back.
Why, he is not interested in going into details about a group that at it's core probably has good intentions, but are over run by a loud vocal minority of misanthropic a-holes.
He mentions the Aristocrat but looks like he didn't even watch his videos. It comes across like he knows the important matters of GamerGate but just won't discuss them instead focusing on the twitter, reddit, GG or anti-GG bullshit. He may be scared to piss of some game journalists or maybe he has his own agenda.
runningguy54321 on the video at one point he says that somegames stay a early accces a very long time and dayz is one of them so the joke is that farcry 6 is out and dayz still in early acces ^^
Look Angry Joe i think you are in denial. Anita is a very extremist person who pours in lies and concentrates so much on stuff that to be honest won't even help woman. She says things like theses games are sexist and if you play them you hate woman. Well maybe not exactly like that but you get my point. I play horribly violent video games and i love woman i want them to strive in society and the advancements that been happening for them is only going to get better... i hope. I just wish you would wake and see Anita Sarkisan as who she really is. Please you are for justice and doing the right thing.
Naftul Zvi No. For example lies that Anita spreads all around. And not just the twitter, she went to national TV now. Most people who don't understand will just take it as it is because it's news so it must be true.
Good for you I guess if you think you're doing something. What has she said that's so horrible that you feel the need to waste your time bitching about it?
What I think of GamerGate (and everything around it) I Dont Care I'm just gonna play games that I like and not really think otherwise, which is also the reason why I dont mind the game "Hatred", though it looks rather boring from a gameplay point. That said, I know early access is risky, but Im having a hella time with Starbound. So fun ^^
Say that when all games that are available must fulfil a subjective criteria and those developers not sided with that ideology will be bashed in public. Nice.
Serge Kent Do you have any proof at all that all games are going to be forced to follow one ideology or are you just saying that to spur up controversy where there really isn't any?
Serge Kent Although I have to say this argument made me pick my tinfoil hat, I agree that Game developers must be free to explore any subject that they want and let the free market be the judge of his/her product!
who cares what "side" hes on. this has been the stupidest shit i have ever heard. to me BOTH SIDES ARE FUCKING STUPID! not right or wrong. there are just acting like FUCKING 5 YEAR OLDS!
Both sides are ridiculous about this Seriously, if he was "for" one side or another, he'd never risk his cred saying he was neutral at all, he'd get eaten alive.
***** So one side is asking for greater disclosure and more ethical behavior from persons in the games media, while the other side opposes them on the false grounds that they are harassers. Tell me again how the people asking to be treated with respect are acting like five year olds? Because I'm really not following your logic.
There is absolutely no evidence supporting the allegation of gamergate members threatening any of these woman. So why do u stupidly take their word for it?
***** Joe himself explained that it's a hashtag and how that makes it almost impossible to moderate who uses it, but when it comes to the bigger threats that they publicise you can actually start to see the lack of association with the movement beyond interpretation
***** I never said no one has ever made threats against a woman (frist off I like how you specify woman as if a threat against a woman is worse then a threat against a man for some reason... one of the reasons anti-feminism arose) I made a comment about the big threats, like the one that made Sarkessian cancel one of her speech (despite police making a statement of how the threat was empty cough cough) that is the example I'm going to use, and in that case sarkessian published the threat so all could peruse it, and funnily enough no direct mention of GamerGate in the threat. that's the point I'm making, they associate the entire movement by a mixture of trolls and very vocal anti feminists who might not even be using the GamerGate hashtag. so any counter argument without taking what I say out of context?
***** the anti gg people were the ones that sent milo a syringe and a dead animal. they're the one's doxxing people and getting them fired. you want to start adding up which side does more harassment?
I was always in between with the gamer gate argument. honesty and integrity needs to be observed with games, and Quinn dating the same guy that wrote an article about her game is INCREDIBLY shady. though the online and real world harassment wasn't called for at all. however my point still stands.
It was initially a good cause that got taken over by the toxic (generally sexist, but other kinds too) members of society, and lost by those not willing to stand up to them and pull it back to being about integrity in game reviewing. Too many people who didn't care about games saw it as a place for their own platform.
@@nerdandnerdier887 She accused a game developer of things like trapping her in a room, took her cellphone, raped her, abused her, etc, ruining his life, at a time when she had a distinct online presence that proved her allegations were demonstrably false, and the guy committed suicide over the allegations.
Step 1: Slander and slur an entire community who never did anything to you Step 2: Cry harrassment when you get what's coming to you for it. Step 3: Hit the college lecture circuit Step 4: Profit Cripes, christian evangelists haven't got as good a racket as social justice wankers... Yes, nasty things were said about Anita and Briana. Absolute non issue. EVERYONE deals with that, they are not special. Stop white knighting, it is NOT a sign of respect for women. Quite the contrary, it's something we call "The soft bigotry of low expectations." Feminists and the misguided white knights who support them are the misogynists, they treat women like children.
Oh jesus fucking christ, the GG and anti GG brigades are here to fight in force I'll be over here, where its sane, and we can accept that both sides have valid points and this shitstorm of hyperbole and "Us vs them" theater is absolutely meaningless.
***** Irrelevant. Saying you're neutral just so you can pretend to be more smug and intelligent than other people is just shit posting that nobody wants to see.
I haven't watched it yet I scrolled down comments just to see if you commented and the comments so far seem civil minus the trolls. Im glad he also put sources on info on GG so Im guessing this will be very good on Joe.
Bryce Albrecht If you subtract the trolls, and people affected by trolls, then all internet debates become civil. It's like saying "Wow, this place is really clean minus all the trash."
Regarding Number 10, what you said about Hatred, I have to say...Well said Joe! I'm a gamer and a father of 3, and parenting is the key! I make sure to allow my kids to play what I think they can handle. My son, who just turned 13, is now allowed to play Halo and Call of Duty...but not GTA. Hatred looks like a disgusting and shitty game, however, no one is forcing me to play it. I voted with my dollar and didn't it. Again....well said Joe!
Good parenting. But let them take a break from FPS(s) and make them try other genres. Like the old Final Fantasy games? (The ones that are T) or maybe other games. Seriously it works. As a 14 year old I don't really play FPS(s) that much anymore.....except the BF1 beta but that will be good. Anyways multiple genres help your kids not become more "angsty" and now I sound like a paranoid parent and I wrote a paragraph. Wow. Anyways I don't know your kids so raise them how you want. I am sure they are nice. I will shut up now. Bye.
Reese Labbe He totally glosses over the ethics thing and claims we hate those sites. Which is total bs. I've been part of GS for 10 years and i am working with managment for an ethics policy. He's just shitting on it
Swatting has to be one of the DOUCHIEST FUCKING THINGS you can do to someone. Ever. It completely ruins people's lives, and it has no purpose. It's literally putting innocent people's lives in danger for SHITS AND FUCKING GIGGLES. Not only does it put a huge target on people who provide internet entertainment for a living, but it wastes so much money and nothing is done about it.
Patrick N You got that right... A kid, 16, in Canada got sentenced to 25 years in prison for 30 swatting cases... Edit... Apparently he is being charged with 60 charges and even had a twitter to swat people they request... Kind of messed up :\ The kid, I mean. He is messed up. A kid from Louisiana was sentenced to 25 to Life in federal prison...
tuck234 Wow....that's just insane and incredibly sad. I've heard of this swatting prank on celebrities, but not gamers...and this is just flat out crazy in so many levels.
Wow, somebody who actually spoke out about #GamerGate in a very understanding, moderate, and sensible way. Da fuck? Thank you entirely for keeping discussion open for both sides and listening to the sensibilities of both sides. In my opinion GG is a well intentioned movement executed in a poor way due to it's randomized and uncooperative nature. Something you can't control. Anti-GG are also well intentioned in the sense that they're trying to handle games in a way appropriate for everyone. Unfortunately there's a handful of douche bags on both sides but I personally see more sensibility from the pro-GG side. Just my perspective.
Well it's disorganized out of necessity. Right now TB is getting a lot of flak from Wil Wheaton, Brianna Wu, Ian Miles Cheoug and other vocal Anti-GG people for supporting GamerGate. And they sent dead animals and knives to Milo of Breitbart.
I just want gaming journalism to die a horrible death. please developers just start making demos and shareware again. Fuck Reviews Fuck all these "gaming" news sites.
***** Yeah, I agree. It's simply a nature of the GG side of things to keep things decentralized. There's douchebags on both sides but to me the vocal and supported ones on anti-GG are the douchebags while the douchebags on GG are generally silenced and unsupported.
D0pamineCl0ud Agreed. Journalism right now is shit in the video game world. That's why I don't even bother with it anymore. My games ignore the media and we try to do our own thing without them.
Cha0x110 A good thing to keep in mind that most of these 'douchebags' aren't pro or anti. They're organized third-party trolls from places like SA and /baph/ that are trying to stir up shit on both sides. Instead of saying 'both sides are to blame.' i think it'd be smarter to just say 'there are jerks who have nothing to do with the actual message.'
How the fuck did hatred becase a controversy? The whole point of the game is to shock you by killing innocents, But the innocents are mindless bots!!! They only say stuff like "NO!!!" "PLEASE!" Hell in GTAV the innocent people you can kill say stuff like "HEY I HAVE A FAMILY" Or "I WAS JUST DRIVING TO PICK UP MY KIDS"
The main purpose of Hatred is the literal murder of innocent civilians. Straight up homicide. They're not military combatants or armed terrorists, they're *civilians.* That's why it was controversial.
It became a controversy because the developers intentionally stirred it up for free publicity. The game itself is mediocre at best and really no more "contriversial" than any other shooter. The real issue is just how skeevy and disgusting these developers were for stooping so low and in such poor taste.
There's small group of CZcams's that records #GamersGate news. *NEET LIFE* seems new users friendly. she basically tells you what events happens in a weekly news format.
Joe, I understand that you get thousands of comments a day, especially when you make a new video, and that the chances of you seeing this comment are slim to none; but I want to get this off my chest. First I want to preface this by saying I just re-watched your Anita Sarkeesian argument from last year, and the Gamergate one from this. All I want to say is that I agree with you when you say people shouldn't send death and rape threats to people with different opinions, and I also agree that sexist assholes will be sexist assholes at the end of the day. Where I don't agree with you is when you say to just listen to Anita's opinions. Don't get me wrong, we should listen to what she has to say and think about it. The problem I have with the way you say it is that it sounds like we should just accept her opinions. I know you said you don't completely agree with her, and that's cool. If you did completely agree or disagree with her that's cool too. It's your opinion. However, acceptance won't help the problem, but a discussion will, and that's my problem I have about Anita. She doesn't want a discussion, she just wants to state her opinions as fact. Comments on her videos? Disabled. Ratings? Disabled (You could argue this is because of the threats, but still I can't find evidence of her having a discussion with another person with the opposite opinion). If you saw the ABC News piece that aired a few weeks ago about Gamergate, and you probably did see it, you will see that it is focused mostly on threats and stereotypical arguments against games like GTA. It isn't promoting a discussion, it just repeats what we already know: Anita got attacked and mainstream news sources continue to say how games like GTA are evil. Neither will admit that killing the prostitute in GTA after sex is optional, because that will undermine their argument. All I want is for people that agree with Anita and mainstream news sources to have a honest discussion with those of us who have a different opinion. If we don't have this discussion everyone will stay in their own little worlds, and nothing will change. I hope this comment reaches you, or anyone else for that matter. If this doesn't happen the worst is yet to come.
***** That's right, we don't have to listen. However, if we don't speak our opinions on the matter no one can listen to our side. The people that do listen to her, news sources in gaming & mainstream outlets and some developers, won't have another opinion to think about if we just ignore what she says. If this problem is to be solved, if it can be solved, then both sides need to voice their concerns. Some will be heard, and some will definitely ignored, hell even this could be ignored if someone chooses. But, at the end of the day, honest discussion will be what gets things done. Nice comment man.
Could not agree more. She states her opinion as fact to people who don't play games and tell those non gamers that games are sexists and uses rotton examples. Like her hitman BS, were she shows him beating up the strippers....YOU LOOSE POINTS FOR DOING THAT. And she goes and tells people it encourages you to do it?!?! You get penalized for it how is that encouraging you to beat up those women? It does not but she sells it as fact to people who don't play games. And that only hurts the gaming industry.
Dementiablack3190 Exactly, her main audience is non gamers. That can also be said for the mainstream new sources that side with her when they report on gaming. Sending their message and taking things out of context is how they get people fired up against gaming. They don't want to help the gaming industry, they want to hurt it.
BensGameTime I'd correct you in saying her main audience is radical feminists who are non gamers, and ignorantly believe women are being oppressed and objectified in modern gaming yet they've never given said games a good play-through.
TheVeryWhiteGuy Radical feminists or not, non gamers will just take anything said about gaming to heart. Just a shame that the good sides of gaming aren't show to them.
You know, Joe, I'll bet it's really easy for you (at 45:00) to tell people that they can be for gaming ethics without the hashtag when you're sitting on 1,800,000 subscribers. Somebody like you can say whatever they want with the assurance that there is an audience ready and waiting to listen. But for everybody else, that hashtag is the only way they can be heard. They can post something to the hashtag and be confident that somebody is looking. It's more than a little disingenuous of you to tell people not to use the only avenue they have to make their voice heard when you're in possession of the biggest microphone around.
Aramonde Hasashi no it won't, as long is it isn't a group hashtag that is just another extension of gamergate. Just make a hashtag to something similar for gaming
Oh, just don't post on the hashtag that thousands of people follow. Post on... #hickorydickorydock instead, cause hey, nobody will see it, but at least it doesn't have a bad reputation. That makes a ton of sense.
oh its coming trust me, we already have a single guy and the mr. judge right above your comment altho tbh i dont mind pissing off douchebags. and this, is very lightly worded, for all your civilized discussion needs.
Also the swatting thing is really serious, they have the right to kill your pets if they see them, and if someone is in the kitchen holding a knife they also have the right to shoot
a youtuber called gamerfrommars made a video about it warning people about the dangers, but the comment section just turned into a retarded mess of HURRR DURR MURICA IS STOOPID 4 TAKIN POLICE REPORTZ SURIOUSLY
I don't really understand the whole HATRED thing. You can commit mass genocide in GTAV, but nobody says anything about that. If there is a difference that makes these games be placed on the opposite side of the moral spectrum, please explain. I'm not trolling, I'm just a gamer who's been poorly informed on such matters.
I think the difference is how you CAN commit it in GTA but you HAVE TO in Hatred. Hatred makes mass genocide and serial killing the actual objective of the game, while in GTA, you can do it, but you're certainly not encouraged to do it. Yep, that the sole difference between the two. That verb: ''Can'' versus ''have to''. One give you the choice to be a psychopath or not. The other, you HAVE to be a psychopath.
ChevaliersEmeraude got it. GTA allows you to, but doesn't push you either way. In Hatred, the only goal (as far as I know) is to murder every person you see as fast as you can. It is literally a genocide simulator.
TheAnnoyingGunner Controversy based on BS or not is what the Hatred guys were aiming for and it's exactly what they're getting, still think they should be allowed to release their game though.
Matt Kenney As most other shooters are as well. Why does a game have to sugarcoat the violent parts with pretentious morals? It isn't edutainment. You are killing simulated people. Sometimes they shoot back, sometimes not. Sometimes you get some kind of reward for these actions, sometimes not. But you play it, because YOU want to. It doesn't matter if the game gives you no other choice, YOU made the choice to play the game. If you don't want to mass murder everyone any longer, you stop it. Either by following the story line, doing other side activities or by simply starting another game.
There's this movie called "God Bless America", that's about a middle-aged guy and a teenage girl going on killing sprees because they are fed up with stupid fucks in this world... It's a good movie
***** My description was there to take a parallel with Hatred and that the "premise" is about random killing people,doesn't mean it's gonna be bad. Not everyone will like the same shit, so don't feel entitled to tell people what is good or not based on *your opinion.*
Joe, we simply don't care that Zoe Quinn slept with 5 guys, the issue was that these guys were connected to the games industry and game journalism sites and some of them gave coverage to her Depression Quest game WITHOUT DISCLOSING THAT THEY HAD A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH HER, that's a clear breach of ethics when you're reporting on a subject. One of them even was mentioned in the game credits, don't you think that would raise some eyebrows?
For quite a while proper review sites and magazines have given good reviews to games and films that have turned out to be shit. And I am talking in a real obvious way, and often in national newspaper. This was something noticable and probably measurable. Your example is flakey. It's hearsay. Correlation does not prove effect. The concern I have is why it is Depression Quest that "breaks the camels back"? Especially when as you said, it was "coverage" (not that I saw any of the coverage mind) and not Full Promotion like the Shadow of Mordor PR team tried to pay for.
RedSoulYo Most people familiarized with gaming sites already were aware that these websites would accept financial bonuses or ad revenue to give positive coverage on AAA titles. Some famous cases that when a journo refused to do this, gave a game a very critical review or a lower score than the traditional 8/10 or 9/10 were fired are a good evidence on this. The issue got out of hand mostly due to streisand effect, people concerned about potential personal biases of journos towards their report subjects were being silenced on various websites and the gaming sites completely refused to speak on the matter. This issue could really be solved in a single day and Gamergate wouldn't even be a thing. Also, Zoe Quinn was involved with the Wizardchan controversy and The Fine Young Capitalists charity almost being shut down, but I won't comment on those to avoid this comment being any larger.
I like the point you made that gamers aren't shitty, but rather there are shitty people who are gamers and that gaming culture isn't anything like these people. That made a lot of sense and it's a concept that people don't pay attention to nearly enough. The right winged conservatives thing didn't really get the same benefit from you in the video. Just like gamers, the vast majority of conservatives are just neutral and couldn't give less of a shit about either side of the debate. It's the same way with liberals on the other side of the fence. Hell, this is the first time I've ever actually heard about what it was simply because I really couldn't care less before. I didn't want to here a two-sided, super biased argument from people bitching and moaning about the other side, so I'm glad to hear you first so I can get some truth. Shitty people exist in everything. Conservatives, liberals, gamers, feminists, police officers, politicians, day care employees, veterans, fast food employees, etc, etc. That doesn't mean that other people who identify with those things are shitty or anywhere in the spectrum of the idiocy that if often represented. Just an observable opinion.
Randygandalf95 Look them up. They flagged this video for a small image of their name among dozens of other names and took the video down for a little while with a copyright claim. Completely unfounded and an abuse of the system.
26:43 Would love to hear Angry Joe's opinion on the microtransactions of COD Points on Black Ops III and how the new weapons are locked behind supply drops in the black market, which makes it subject to the very low rates of getting a single weapon, let alone all of them!
I don't like you any less for your opinion of neutrality on #GamerGate. I respect your opinion. Also, for the record, I'm typing as I'm watching. I would recommend you do a little more research to understand the movement itself. The reason that the Quinnspiracy (pardon my spelling) was the spark to create the movement of #GamerGate was because it had to do with gaming ethics and journalism. She confirmed sleeping with multiple reviewers, and her motives for such an act were to boost the amount of positive reviews on what is said to be an inaccurate representation of real depression. Yes, it was internet drama, but it certainly wasn't pointless. The focus on the sites who said "GAMERS ARE DEAD AS AN IDENTITY" were stupid the *whole way through their articles*. Empty-women sentiments is a stupid point, because it's false. Anti-women is also a stupid concept, because it's false. I do agree though, there are sexists in the gaming community, but it isn't because they're gamers. It's because they're douchebags who just so happen *to* be gamers. The political thing is really funny and super weird. I agree with that. That shit is hilarious, and stupid. Leaking personal information of someone is a shitty thing to do. I don't think anyone but the person who did that would deny that it's a shitty thing to do. However, Zoe Quinn has a large amount of controversy surrounding her for good reasons, and to my knowledge, Brianna Wu is not all that trustworthy in general. *WOAH WOAH WOAH*, it's not an issue of slut-shaming, Joe. I can see where you might have gotten that from, but based on anything I've seen, it has nothing to do with slut-shaming. Based on the evidence that *I* have seen, it appears to be an issue of someone using sex as a means to boost their own game. That's fucking lame. If your game is not good, you do not deserve positive reviews. If she was called a terrible person, I'd be willing to bet it was because of her poor choices, attempting to abuse the reviewing system as a whole, not because people thought she was a slut and that was just terrible. For the record, if a man had done such a thing, it wouldn't be any more acceptable. That man would still be guilty of using sex to get better reviews on his potentially shitty game. Who knows, maybe those who would criticize him would call him a predator, or a scumbag. Yep, I hate Anita Sarkeesian too. Why? Well, simply because I'm male, she would likely consider me a misogynistic, oppressive, violent, scumbag, who, (based on the fact that I'm male), would be 100% more likely to shoot up a school. Anita Sarkeesian is dumb. Straight up *dumb*. In fact Joe, she'd probably consider you sexist, since you enjoyed Hitman: Absolution. You know, the game where you're *encouraged* to murder prostitutes. She'd also probably think you sexist because you enjoyed GTA V, a game centered around the justified murder of innocent women. She thinks *every single female video game character is sexist*. Hell, she seems to think *Zelda* is an example of sexism. *ZELDA*. As in the character after which *almost every single game in that series is named, and for a good reason*. I got into a CZcams comment debate with 3 other people. One of these people was with me, defending Zelda as an awesome character, which she truly is. The other 2, who had clearly extremely limited knowledge on the series as a whole. Zelda is not a sexist character. Good luck arguing that. Let me give a brief summary of why I don't like Anita Sarkeesian: Too much clothing on a female character? - Oppressive. A medium amount of clothing? - She's still looked at as an object. Too little clothing? Even by choice of the character? - Sexist. Object. Sexualized, which is (somehow?) inherently negative. Bayonetta is a fucking awesome female character. Anita Sarkeesian thinks she's terrible because as a character, Bayonetta likes being sexual. Even though Bayonetta is a sexual character by choice. TL;DR I think you should research a little more. Your view on what #GamerGate is seems to be a little misinformed.
***** I see where he's coming from, and if that's the case, I'm fine with him being neutral. Trying to accuse something of bullshit is not reason to skew evidence, however.
ThatDarnIrishMan I used the hashtag because that is its proper name. When speaking I just say "GamerGate", but it's not improper or unnecessary to add the hashtag. I almost never use hashtags. This is the first time I've used them, in fact.
As much as I am anti GG ALL I want to say on the issue is how much I admire Joe's ability to acknowledge the worst in both sides but still go out of his way to defend the best as well. Seeing the best in people like that is a really cool thing and I respect you for that, Joe.
Yeah, far too many people seem to have an us vs them mentality when it comes to divisive stuff like GG. It saddens me to know how tribalistic this whole thing has gotten.
Actually the his criticism of GamerGate was disproportionate than that of Anti GG. Roughly 3 minutes more. And he often goes off against conservatives despite no proof of any kind of political bias from either side. If you go against any political stance, and try to claim your moderate, then you're lying.
Fell asleep on the #1. Found myself asking too many times "wtf is GamerGate?!" I go to work, come home, enjoy a video game solo or with friends/casually or competitively. Didn't think there was much else to 'gaming'....
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It's pretty much summed up in this picture. oi58.tinypic.com/xlayqu.jpg
I like joy because he's passionate, if he says something or makes an opinion i dont like i just dislike his video, unsubscribe, then subscribe back the next day when i get over it.
King Tutankhamun I see 'gentlemen' as more refined men with "higher" tastes. Not to say gaming is a low taste, but that isn't exactly how I see Joe; I see him more as the everyman and 'bro', someone that's agreeable enough and is on a similar level to us, so to speak.
Thanks for going at the GamerGate thing unscripted, Joe. It really displayed how honest, passionate, and good you are as a person and how much you want the world of gaming to develop into a healthy environment for many people to join. Please continue to remain neutral and do your thing, because you are the best at it. Hell, even Watchmojo agrees. :) I and your 2,000,000 odd subscribers have got your back. :)
Dear AngryJoe, I'm not really the kind of guy that leaves comments, I find the internet communities obnoxious at best and I try to avoid any discussion here as I do not believe it to be productive. I tend to be interested in some aspects of the games outside of the gaming experience itself, usually the way it uses narrative and fun (i'm talking about the design behind it, we have a specific word for it in French but it seems you don't). In the end, the worst part of it is the behavioral system that corporations use to control gamers (the infamous Goals - Actions - Merit - Evaluation, or the Skinner Method). It could be used for better purposes but no, it has to be used to suck the money out of you. Hell, if you take a look at most smartphone games and other candy crush bullshit, they are actually more of a direct application of those psychological tricks rather than actual game design! In the end, all I wanted to say is that I witnessed you trying to denounce this corporate crap out loud and being "punished" for it. And I saw you not giving up. For what it is worth, I just wanted to say you have all my respect, and I do believe that you and some other people can stand as figureheads to enforce a better gaming. Sincerely, Cocococaine BTW, say hi to Other Joe
What Gamergate originally was has mostly completed its objective at this point. A lot of websites have changed their policies so that we can actually see if there are any links between the writers and the devs they are writing about. Despite what a few of the more extreme feminists say, that is what Gamergate was about.
KingSyrian Screw online multiplayers. I didn't pick up video games back in the early 90's so I could play with people who weren't next to me. If I wanted to interract with people I would go outside with a tamagochi!
Gamer Gate was right to call out the writers, and Quin. She was screwing people to have them at least mention her game to attract attention to it. That sounds pretty corrupt to me.
Harry Swinchin Keyword being supposedly. I still find it odd she even had a relationship with the guy that mentioned her game in his article. It sounds set-up, and suspicious honestly.
+Humdrum Still, it's none of your buisness. "Gamer Gate was right to call out the writers, and Quin" Only if gamer gate was a more closed movement. This way many "members" were just idiotic kids who posted really fucked up shit. I'd probably commit suicide or become a hermit in the mountains if that much hate was directed at me.
That was a hell of a good night! Hope to see ya soon, JOE!
Hi Jontron :D
lol wish I could of seen the whole thing...
Love your videos Jon, keep up the good work, man!
wow wouldn't it be awsome if jon actually uploaded some videos?
Drago hell Dude, that is the dream.
I've never even heard of Gamer Gate until now. I just play games.
Quarians don't have to take a side on GamerGate. Your people get a pass, but Joe here has threatened his standing with Alliance Command by siding with the Twitter-Reapers.
Eruptide
Didn't he say he was neutral?.
Tali' Zorah nar Rayya I was joking. Actually he did a crappy job researching this but I don't think it would have changed his views anyway. Many people in both GG and AGG forget that not everyone gives a damn or sees these issues as binary divisions in gaming culture. Pretty sure Joe would fit in that neutral category regardless.
Eruptide
I had genuinely never heard of GG before watching this video. I watch alot of gaming videos and the subject has never come up, at least not that i remember.
Same I just play games and watch youtubers
Who here had no idea what GamerGate was?
It's complicated, so few people know the whole story. It's kind of a whole network of controversies.
I had to look up the arguments and everything. I think censorship in gaming is wrong. I think stopping peoples ideas are wrong. I think stopping peoples reviews of games and ideas are wrong. Anita is dumb, but not worth the argument.
Aside from those things I just said, I am neutral. Don't touch my video games, and well all be nice and happy.
I'm from europe, non english country, so i only had a slight idea what this is.
I'm still lost on it can someone explain the quinceception and gg thing I searched it but I'm lost still
I dont have time for all this games debates bullshit. just wait for games reviews/gameplay, if its good buy the game, no early access crap, no pre-order, no kickstarter projects, no micro transaction fraud. just watch reviews, like it, buy it and support dev, enjoy it then off to figure how to pay taxes and deal with real life problems. Its all business even for Angryjoe and other reviewers. his not doing this videos because he loves all of us. we bring money to the table. and all those videos attacking Nintendo is just to show them, he has 1 million followers and he can really damage their sales if they dont soften their rules with him. Anyhow, i enjoy this kind of videos to have a little bit of insight about how this industry is evolving. and i can see, it's evolving around your pockets by creating people so into gaming drama, to make them recruit others to convince people to spend their hard earn money into buying whatever those companies throw at them.
I hate parents talking about their kids being "exposed to harsh language and violence", YOU were the one who bought him that game!
+TheFancyRoman :O Surprised that JUST as I typed in that comment, literraly in 3 seconds Joe started talking about the same thing.
+TheFancyRoman Not only that there's violence and bad language everywhere. You might as well shut your kid in a metal box with no windows. We can't shield kids from everything. It's ridiculous to think that because we let our kids play violent games that they're gonna go out and kill 30 people. Instead of stopping your kids from playing violent games, monitor how much time they can play those games. Or better yet, as you said DON'T BUY THEM. Either keep them away from violent games or shut the hell up. And STOP TRYING TO DICTATE HOW OTHER PEOPLE RAISE THEIR KIDS! It's my fucking choice whether I let my kid play violent games. You wanna punish every kid for some nutjob who went out and shot people? Stop it. STOP IT NOW!
My mother allows me to play SOME M Rated games, but it depends on what's on the game.
How old are you?
15
Am I the only Gamer here who played a crap ton of games, and watched way too many CZcams videos in 2014, but still has no Idea what Gamers Gate actually Is?
your not the only one here i am
Nope, same here
Well this is a good minute-long summary of how it started: czcams.com/video/ipcWm4B3EU4/video.html
Same, Over here.
Same, over here.
I feel like swatting should have been number one because of how potentially dangerous it it. People could really get hurt, even killed.
Well to be fair many Pro-gamergate people have been swatted. So it's bundled in there, somewhere, deep, beneath alot of bullshit.
Doctor4077 keep in mind that gamers aren't the only people who get swatted. Justin Beiber and Tom Cruise are one of many people who also got swatted
AllStarBacon Tom Cruise I'm okay with, but you act as if JB getting swatted is a bad thing? Screw him, he deserves worse.
Rape is never funny dude, now if he was crushed by those trucks now you're talking!
supershake9 From what i know, most garbage trucks don't have dicks. so yeah im talking about getting crushed
did anyone else besides me pay 0 attention to gamergate?
also, where do i sign up for bootygate?
I don't know the whole story. It's a whole mess of controversy and questionable ethics. It's almost like Russian nesting dolls, as there seemed to be controversy within even larger controversy, like the Zoe Quinn thing being linked to the Sarkessian and Feminism controversy. It's a tangled web and I never bothered unraveling it. All I know is that most people were either on the fence or generally avoided the topic whilst addressing the smaller topics that it was linked to, as I already mentioned.
I guess the thing is that you can't tackle GamerGate as a whole, rather you have to take it on in smaller chunks and draw conclusions from that. it's difficult, and that's why few people could make a decision as to where they stood.
Sorry for the whole lesson thing, I can get carried away.
i didn't give a shit about them too.
Narutou01 lol I had no idea what it even was
I don't use twitter, so it was easy for me
"That's not gaming culture, that's shitty people culture."
-AngryJoe 2015
>implying that people who are actually proud to call themselves "gamers" aren't shitty people
I mean yeah
That was kinda the point
it's accurate
As a gamer, these are my 4 rules:
- If I know that a game is GOOD and FINISHED, I will buy it. If not, I don't even bother.
- I don't give a shit about console wars. Consoles don't matter, games do.
- I stay away from pre-orders, early access and microtransactions.
- When it comes to controversies, I see them just as background noise.
True story
I agree.
I agree on everything kinda but
1. There are very few good Early acces games but there are some(Space engineers and KSC for instance
2. I think controversies are interesting but well everyone likes different things
I share those policies. That way I don't allow companies to screw me over. And by the time a game is fixed, it'll prob hav dropped in price anyway!
Here are mine to add to that:
1. do not buy DLC until you know it will be good (Destiny 2's Curse of Osiris and Warmind weren't but were necessary to get more powerful)
2. look for reveiws for the game to see if it will be worth the buy
3. if it's too good to be true, it probably is
4. If a game has to have microtransactions even after the initial buy, get rid of it and ask for a refund. because chances are, you're probably going to get scammed (if it is for the soul purpose of leveling up and make your character stronger without the work)
call me old schooled but I prefer leveling up the old fashion way of actually doing the work instead of buying level ups because I'm a rich kid who has money to burn
Do I know what gamergate is? No
Did Joe do a good job of explaining it? No
Did it affect me? No
Do I give a fuck? No
Are you a gamer? If so, then it does involve and affect you. Gamer Gate is a movement founded upon ethics in gaming journalism.
Comrade Jakendad "ethics in gaming journalism."
Does anyone actually care about what Kotaku ect say? It doesn't effect me. I watch AJ and TB and that's about it. Even then I try before I buy. The journos can do what they want as far as I care, 'Games Journalism' is already a joke enough as it is as far as Journalism goes.
che3se1495 Journalism in general is a joke these days. I play games for the fun of it. Nothing more, nothing less. :-)
onlypinhead2000 Other journalism probably doesn't effect you, but it's still very necessary and isn't a joke. 'Games Journalism' is a joke because we don't need games journalists. We can get all the information about video games ourselves through play tests and videos.
We don't need a yay or nay from someone about something we can go and see for ourselves.
TL;DR: games journalists are as useful as art critics.
Comrade Jakendad lol, im a gamer & i did not know what gamer gate was till joe talked about it.
I still have no idea what the fuck Gamergate is.
It's a call for a reform in game journalism ethics.
InsaneEnergy Well thanks for the explanation. Cause looking at the Tweets and videos, I don't even know what the fuck is going on. It's a pinnacle of clusterfucks
ThePooper3000
I really hate to disagree with Angry Joe, I really admire the guy, and he has been more honest on the issue than ANY MAJOR GAME JOURNALIST IN THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY(with maybe one or two exceptions). He made a very nice post on his website forum that I hope people will take the time to look up.
Considering the misinformed opinions, and FLAT OUT LIES that MANY major journalists have been spreading about gamergate since day one, a little open-minded neutrality is just excellent. Joe, I love you.
Short answer: It's mostly politics, my friend, either you want to play a game where people point fingers and discuss who did what, or you want to play a game where you shoot/stab dudes/dudettes. Choose now, and don't look back.
At least we can have a nice healthy debate with a gamergater, we can't have a discussion with Kotaku, they are above criticism.
Michael Welsh Oh enlighten us.
Funding TFYC's game practically all by themselves doesn't count for you? Tough room.
The average youtube rager may not be the most eloquent soul, but as activists they're far more devoted and honest than Anita has EVER BEEN.
Same
I admire how brutally honest Joe is. I agree on a lot of his views. The internet can be very toxic at times. No honor behind the veil of a keyboard.
Dang, Swatting is scary shit, just watching those small clips gives me the chills. I do hope they find out who the troll is because that's to far.
***** When did Swatting started? Because I'm kind of surprise that I didn't ear about it before today
The worst hasn't even started yet.
SWAT raids can cause a lot of stuff; Property damage, death of pets (Standard SWAT practice is to shoot potentially dangerous dogs on sight), and even accidental deaths caused by an itchy trigger finger (There is indeed precedent for this). If Swatting continues, it won't be long before someone gets seriously hurt or killed, and that's one of the scariest things about it.
DarthVaderReviews
why joe said been lost of money already, probably been counter suits already
There have been several swatters arrested so far. Their ages range from 16-mid 20s so it's confirmed that these are fairly young immature people doing this reckless shit. I love reading about swatters getting arrested but I won't be satisfied until every single one is punished.
I have seen some Twitch broadcasters abuse the power they have. On occasions I have seen them yell/verbally abuse viewers. If these are the types that get "swat" then I feel no sympathy for them. Not everyone on the internet is powerless at the other end of that Cat-4 cable. As mean as I may sound.
I'm fairly neutral on GamerGate, but my viewpoint is basically this:
Sexism in games comes from sexism, not games.
It goes both ways. Video games borne from patriarchal society will express patriarchy, which in turn reinforces patriarchy. Sexism does come from games, but only because games were borne from a sexist culture.
LamentationsEnd That makes no sense. Feminism was born in a patriarchal society. Does that mean that it expresses patriarchy which in turn reinforces patriarchy? You're also making the assumption that the western world today is a patriarchy. It is not.
manhunt48 Hmm, dude, we ALL agree to that! Do you really think we believe that games make people sexist? No. Sexism exist, and it just so happens that they found an hashtag as a form of support group for sexist a-holes.
Let me point you out to something: Most of the people you're fighting against, the anti-GG side? They are gamers. I'm a gamer. A feminist gamer, and not ashamed of it either. That's why there's a war; because there's a side who want better female representation in the gaming world, and then there's GG who's afraid of that kind of change, thinking it will take away their games or something. And, yes, there's the good GG who actually care about corruption in gaming medias, but those are quite rare. I mean, honestly, in 5 months of existence, compare the accomplishments made in tackling corruption VS those made in attacking the idea of the gaming world being more women-friendly, you can see there is very little done against corruption from GG...
LamentationsEnd
*Ahem*
No.
ChevaliersEmeraude GamerGate is mostly about ethics in games' journalism. There are definitely people that advocate against feminism but they don't advocate against women. As someone who doesn't live in a western country and doesn't have any direct contact with feminism, I can only go by what I see in the media and online. What I see is that feminism has been taken over by radicals and the idea of equality between genders is being used to demonize men for not behaving like women. That's why I agree that it has no business in video games, where the majority of the market is male. Arguing against feminism isn't anti-woman. Only 23% of all women in the US describe themselves as feminists, so clearly it doesn't represent every woman's interests.
So games are despicable because you are allowed to shoot innocent civilians? what rating did you give to GTA V again joe?
GTA V doesn't exactly highlight killing innocence people in missions. You have they gang members, corrupt government officials and assholes. But you're right though, in gta you can voluntarily shoot good people.
poop101205 Yeah, you're right its not in missions in gta like in hatred. and then rises the question, whats worse? Being told to kill innocent people or voluntarily killing innocents?
I think it's up to your moral mindset in the case of GTA. However in hatred, Joe didn't like the idea of being forced to kill innocent people in a time frame over and over again. I am going to say that they are both bad, But hatred is far to the left.
poop101205 What does no one understand the game is a satire of what it is?
GTA doesn't force you to kill innocents. That is on you, buddy. The plot has you kill criminals and sometimes cops only. Never mind that, if you are uber skilled, you can avoid killing in general using a stun gun and then knocking enemies unconsious.
Couldnt believe the swatting scene at the beginning was real, i thought it was a very well staged act. That shit's just beyond crazy
+thedarknesscallingme Sadly, the swatting scene at the end of that segment was also real. Especially that poor girl at the end, screaming. T.T
Chozo Hunter
seriously crazy. Good thing its on the decline
***** Definitely for the better.
***** Even though, ideally, it should never have started to begin with. -_-
Chozo Hunter
exactly, but some people are idiots
And now I finally understand GamerGate. Do I support it? *No.* Am I against it? *No*. You know why? BECAUSE I DON'T GIVE A *FUCK* AND JUST WANT TO PLAY A VIDEO GAME WITHOUT ANY FUCKING DRAMA! I'm gonna be Neutral and just stay out of it like I've been for the last part of 2014.
Same here bro.
^^^The guy who hates drama and types in caps for half his comment.
Irony much?
dammit, you have a point. I don't really hate drama but I just find it annoying for my tastes. I just want to play games without everyone else arguing over stuff they try to relate to video games which really doesn't. That is what I meant to say.
Eruptide Yep... because typing in caps signifies drama... Ooh Wee. Funny also because I never said I hated drama, but I said I wanted to play my games without drama and bullshit, because they're supposed to be fun.
So I shall now indeed, hand you an L.
TheRealdealdude2 You're the hero the gaming community needs, but not the one it deserves.
Okay Joe, your entire GamerGate rant was, to use your own words here, BULLSHIT! While it is correct that the GamerGate as it is known today was triggered by the Quinspiracy posts, that is not, NOT the crux of the issue. Long before that, gaming journalists were starting to injects extreme feminist ideology and identity politics into their articles, right up to a point where many of the articles on these sites weren't even really about gaming any more. There was already and issue with journalism long before Quinn. Quinn was the smoking gun that provided the proof that there was something wrong in game journalism.
The movement is not about attacking feminism and I take issue with the way that you have characterized that as being the foundation of the movement, as it clearly isnt. The issue is that those who are standing against GamerGate are in fact cultural Marxists, pushing an extreme left wing agenda. You might not think that it affects gamers as a whole, but it does and unless someone stands up and says no, it will continue to affect your games more and more. And this whole SJW movement has been going on long before GamerGate came around.
Many may not be familiar with the culture war that has erupted online as a part of the larger culture war. But one part of that culture war ended up with Atheism+ coming about. This was the cultural appropriation of the Atheism community by radical, 3rd wave feminists and their followers. Im sure you cant see what the big deal is and Im not going to deride or ridicule you if you dont, but, this whole issue needs a lot more research conducting on your part than just looking at GamerGate because the whole SJW movement is much deeper and much more insidious than you can even imagine.
But enough of that. Im glad that this video is back up. One common tactic in cultural appropriation is to take down videos that dont agree 100% with them or is critical of them. Its why most people in gamergate are blocked by the SJWs, stifling any debate that they claim to want to have. I just hope that you will look deeper into this issue and realize that it is a rabbit hole and a symptom of something far more serious and toxic.
It's a shame, he's very smart, but he doesn't appear to be very informed on this issue enough to fully understand it.
Blargh Shmarg He was more talking about what it turned into...because at it's climax Gamergate and been distorted into this god awful monster
Blargh Shmarg He really is. However, he has at least done some cursory research into GamerGate, enough to allow him to conclude that at least aGGros are full of shit, but he hasn't dug deep enough to see just how dangerous this SJW attack on gamers actually is.
Never the less, I will continue to watch his shows. I find him highly entertaining and informative when it comes to games, though I do kind of wish he would move away from point scores. But its his show and I still enjoy it.
Fingleberrys No, it had not. That is the narrative that is being spun by those people who have a larger soap box to stand on in the Mainstream Media and paid shills. The IGDA and Silverstring Media have both been using as much of their influence as possible to deride and characterize GamerGate as something that it is not. And then you have the usual 3rd wave feminist tactic of calling any criticism of their ideas as misogyny...which it isnt. People hate The 3 Literally Whos not because they are fucking women...they are hated because of what they say, the piss poor and unresearched work that they do and the reasons that they do it. For them, this is about one thing, playing professional victims for money.
Blargh Shmarg I can't really fault him for that. You have to plow through a lot of the worst of both sides to really get informed.
I'm sorry Joe but I can't agree with you when you say that people like Anita are "real gamers". They're people with an agenda much before that. If you've played Hitman or GTA V, their critics on these two games SHOULD turn your stomach upside down. Otherwise it's more neutral than it seems just by reading folks' comments.
Real gamers are women who hate videogames because they 'don't want to go chainsaw someone's head off' and if you disagree you have a soggy knee.
Gamer = Someone who plays videogames as a hobby?
So? She said before she used to when she was little didn't she?
AmaranteStryfe
Yes. She also said she didn't. And if she does she's a pretty bad gamer since she can't really remember what happens in the game she does claim to play.
AmaranteStryfe
Yes she did, a few years after admitting that she doesn't and didn't play videogames because they are all about chainsawing people's heads off.
This also explains why she stole lets play footage and to this day can't hold or use a controller correctly.
Rozmic Fair enough, but mom can barely game anymore because of her arthritis. Does this mean she's not a gamer anymore? She loves watching games still.
If i were to make videos about feminism in videogames...well I'd be showing my own footage, but I'd have to limit it to pc games as I have ignored the last two generations of consoles.
"What's GamerGate?"
*Like 16 minutes of discussion*
JESUS! How did I miss this?!
I love Joe too much to care
and the best part is he completely goes against all his own bs when he reviewed yakuza 0
I'm sorry, but you won't convince me that Anita Sarkessian is some victim or someone who needs to be defended when she continues to whine about CZcamsrs with "at least 250,000 subscribers" attacking her. The rape and death threats? That shit needs to stop. But you won't have me trusting her with any honest gaming opinion.
Also, never got into the whole GamerGate thing. I acknowledge there is some bullshit in the gaming world, and I would hope all of us could work together to get along better.
This. Fucking This. The threats need to stop, but she has absolutely no right to start spouting shit about games when she doesn't play games. It's an interesting subject and a discussion we should have, but it is NOT Anita that should be heading.
Man0oz The feminists belive everything they want to hear. Not what is worth hearing.
๖ۣۜBeyond Earth You do know we aren't all like that right? At least, im assuming by 'the feminists' you're talking about every feminist and not just the 'men need to die' or 'every game is an example of how women are objectified by society' feminists that everyone thinks we are. we aren't all close-minded and it's a little rude to genralise every feminist as and extremist when sometimes it's quite the opposite
SleepDeprivedOtaku the term feminist is now implies radical feminist. Actual feminists are called normal feminists or humanists.
SleepDeprivedOtaku I will come out and say no, not all feminists are that way. There are ACTUAL feminists and radicals, like D0pamineCl0ud just said. By my opinion, if you support the equality of genders by wanting to raise the standing of women to equalize the balance, we have no problem, man.
Wow... That whole mountain dew game jam thing genuinely makes me sad. I love games, I love making games, and watching a game jam with you, tom and fucking jon tron would have been the best fucking thing ever.
The worst part is they tried and take all this great youtubers and make them enemies
deceptiveauto
And the best part is when they walked off the set because of that bullshit.
Two words which cause anything to fail: Silverstring Media.
I'm surprised he could even talk about it. From what I could gather most people were under NDAs and that's why the story wasn't talked about much at the time.
falloutghoul1 and then when to Disneyland which is hype itself
I'm sure this comment section will be nothing but reasonable.
***** *knock knock* Hey let me in!
***** umm is this in fallout 4?
***** would u like a cookie
max Grimaldo Hey what u doing here?
Reasonable? Who are you calling reasonable you bread-eating rainbow colored piece of toast! I'll show you reasonable!
2015 version is coming up quick...can't wait!
+Mike H Nah probably get another lets play instead ;D.
+Mike H Number 1 is probably going to be literally everything related to Konami
+N.D. Strider explain?
+Bruce Wayne Konami hates their employees and their consumers
how much you wanna bet Konami is gonna take up a LOT of the list
tbh I cared a lot more about his earlier controversies than gamergate. Gamergate does not effect my gaming at all. Just ignore it. That is all that you have to do. Shit like early access and micro dlcs can do WAY more damage than a hashtag
I agree. I honestly think Swatting should have been number 1.
SwollenEize I remember one year (I think 2012) that his number one controversy was a game dev being imprisoned for "spying" He said it was number one because it actually harmed people, and it was way more important than a shitty game ending (ME3). I totally agree with you on that. Swatting destroys property, wastes tax dollars, distracts our police from real emergencies, can cause emotional trauma, and can potentially get some one physically hurt or worse.
Omar Solis Most of the broken and buggy games were covered in his top ten disappointing games list. But it still would have made more sense than gamer gate. Of coarse it is just on here because that is what most of the people are talking about it, and most (especially anti gg or pro gg people) would expect it to be high on this list.
Jerricrocko Phd Yeah, I totally understand why its #1. Its a shitstorm that everyone cares about for some reason. But you know, I have a feeling that its just gonna be a forgotten flash in the pan years from now, whereas this trend of buggy games is just the beginning of a real trend that will affect us for years. This the kind of thing we need to stamp out now before gaming publishers get the idea that its perfectly ok to release an unfinished game so long as they can patch it later or worse yet... make you pay for it.
But yeah you're not wrong in that sense, especially seeing as how gunshy Joe was about addressing the issue in his video. I heard he shot 5 different versions of #1 just to get it right.
Omar Solis I think he had talked about buggy game releases (in the form of launch disasters) in his 2013 controversies video, in which he mentioned Battlefield 4, Rome Total War 2, and SimCity (2013).
Swatting... I honestly cannot believe people would actually do this type of shit to others, wouldn't the police at the very least do some research on the person first before jumping into conclusions? Also, why would people want to prank both the police and innocent people like this for? They'd be keeping the police away from actual emergencies just because of something that's too horrid to be considered a prank.
All I have to say to those trolls is that there's a special place in hell for them to spend all eternity rotting in.
^ This post.
We humans have no hope.
Yup because that's exactly what I hope would happen if the cops got a call saying a psycho with a gun was about to kill me and my family: not jump into action.
In a crisis situation, every second counts so cops have to take immediate action. The controversy of cops not taking immediate action and a massacre occurring as a result would be much bigger than swatting.
It's a really shitty thing to do. Unfortunately for the police, they have to treat every call as an actual threat.
***** agreed. Some of us anyway, thought this could actually turn into a thread of interesting discussion, instead the monkeys have come out and there is sh*t everywhere.
GamerGate has 2 moments where it blew up.
1- When MASS CENSORSHIP HAPPENED on multiple websites, including reddit and 4chan. This is where I embarked.
2- Gamers are dead thing.
Back when this shit was burguersandfries, most of us we didn't give a shit and were just watching froim the sidelines.
Agreed, the Zoe Quinn thing was just something that would pass and everyone who jumped on it said so, they had their "fun" with it, but it didn't take long and someone had to stir more in the pot instead to let it cool down.
Now everyone would just *LOVE* to forget about Quinn, but the antis just can't let it fucking go.
Of course not. See how much her patreon inflated from being at the center of this. Whenever we go radio silent on her, she reinserts herself into the narrative.
Same for Wu.
FeanorBR Wu is fucking worse, the biggest hypocrit on the planet imo.
Just stop giving that vile person attention, that would be fucking great.
I have met good people in GG and GG is an okay gaming club, but honest I never want to hear about Eron or Zoe. Keep relationship drama out of my games and game journalism.
Wastingsometimehere I don't really give too much of a shit about some relationship drama but I do care about a fucking abuse and rape(her definition) victim being called "a jilted ex" or whatever. Joe is even complacent in the abuse that Eron has suffered, in that regard.
Th' fuck is gamer gate ... ?
You know what never mind, I don't care.
Oh jesus you've invoked the internet. RUN FOR GODSAKES RUN!
+Zeke Brown Yup, look at all of this internet that came for him...
jhett7 it was a joke.does go to show how gamergate is dead.
+Zeke Brown Dead? It got what it wanted and now it's gone.
+ThatOneShyguy don't even bro
just run away
I think Joe isn't informed about what Anita is doing. She is misinforming people, lieing, manipulating, etc. She is saying how she represents female gamers, even though they never choose her and don't want to be represented.
shes a bitch
storm rider *She's. Three words and you fucked up, your opinion surely matters. :D
Peter Lustig its not my native language -_-
storm rider Three. Words. But hey, at least you can use swear words like a BOSS, right? Giddoutahere, moron.
Peter Lustig fuck you dude whats your problem?
There's something I don't think Joe quite understands about #GamerGate. For people like him and Totalbiscuit, it's easy to fight for ethics in gaming via your audience and influence. For us average gamers; the gaming press doesn't give a *fuck* about our concerns. #GamerGate was the first time we were able to have our voices heard and show the press that we exist, not just as straight, white dudes, but as gamers of all races, genders, and sexual orientations.
As for the harassment of "anti-GG" women: take note that this harassment has had no direct ties to GG, despite what the media would have you believe. Also take note that "anti-feminism" does not mean they're against women or social justice, they just don't like the hypocrisy and contradictions associated with it.
Other than that, I think the neutral approach was fair. I don't agree but I respect Joe for being honest and reasonable.
I like this guy.
true the average gamer dosent have 2 million fans who will license to there opinion but "hashtag movement" gives voice to many
kinda like anti guns celebrities they dont want it because they dont need it they have mansions with giant walls to protect them and security who will defend them and they send there kids to exclusive private schools
Swating? really?
Now I have really lost my faith in humanity. How in the steaming hell could that become a trend?!
shocked the phuc outta me too
Luckily I heard that the trend might die down because of the current FBI crackdown with lizard squad and that Obama is trying to pass legislation on dealing with international cases like these.
The downer if you live in a country that sells weapons of war to every probably mentally unstable guy on the street.
TheAnnoyingGunner LiberalIDF please leave.
tankeruber1337 Gladly I don't live in the US.
I hate how they gave Hatred the "Heavy Metal" look. Its just so much prejudice to people who simply enjoy music.
I had that same thought come through, I can imagine they wanted him to wear Behemoth or Dark Funersl clothes =_=
+Rockfilip no thats because people who listen to metal are way more likely to be murderers , and around 95% of all metal listeners are sociopaths or psychopaths... do your research
+famalam11 95% m8?
Derek Hearne
who said all europeans and white americans listen to metal? he said 95% of metal listeners then u compare to 95% of essentially just white people.....dude..
+GetTheFuckOffMyChannel If that guy can claim 95% of all metal listeners are sociopaths or psychopaths, why can Derek not claim that 95% of Europeans and Americans listen to metal? What gives one guy the right to make exaggerated and insubstantial claims, but not the other?
HONORABLE MENTIONS:
Microsoft buying Minecraft
Grand Theft Auto V being pulled off the shelfs in Australia
Ucaft no longer a Wii U exclusive
SEGA and Gearbox throwing each other under the bus in their ongoing Aliens: Colonial Marines lawsuit
Flappy Bird
Air Control's broken release on Steam
Slaughtering Grounds developers mocking and claiming copyright against critics
Arthur Gies's review of Bayonetta 2 on Polygon
SJWs hating on TotalBiscuit when he was given the award for Trending Gamer
Anita Sarkeesian being given the Game Developers Choice Ambassador Award
More false advertising of games such as Watch Dogs, etc…
Mojang being bought by Microsoft is great lol. Minecraft can now be more innovative with the new Hololens, and an indie company being bought for a billion dollars is a huge step in gaming.
SuperiorOG I don't trust Microsoft with Mojang at all. Remember what they did to Rareware? I fear it become innovative for the wrong reasons…
SuperiorOG Mojang is/was an independent developer and _Minecraft_ was an idie game. There is _no way_ a game like _Minecraft_ could have ever come to exist in the hands of a large corporation like Microsoft. This sort of thing goes against everything that made _Minecraft_ Minecraft and I see _nothing_ good coming of this.
Minecraft is gonna get stale in a couple of years just saying.
SuperiorOG For me it is stale right now, Microsoft screwed up big time
Numbers 10-3 and 1 at the most just made me roll my eyes and go "ugh, that shit". Swatting, though... that's a completely different thing. Whoever's idea it was to pull it off needs to know what a funny joke is and what's *crossing the fucking line*. Those aren't just people dressed up to look like they're making an arrest, those are fucking loaded guns and the people holding them probably wouldn't hesitate to shoot if some absolutely petrified and shaken individual tried to make a run for it. Not only that, but abusing the emergency services like that CAN cost lives if there's a real emergency involving a *real* criminal or there are *real* lives at stake.
I'm certain the people who were sentenced 15+ years for a phone call are rethinking a few things.
Just think if a gamer of color were swatted, we all know what would probably happen lol
***** Really? That happened? Because that would so awesome, real life rarely deals justice so thoroughly and fairly.
Pendejo nationalreport.net/15-year-old-swatted-domestic-terrorism/
How people can do something so incredibly illegal and expect no repercussions is beyond me. This kid's parents are probably wondering what went wrong.
***** They released the age and name of the perp, yet no picture. I always want to see pictures of douchebags, especially when they're receiving justice.
It's sad how many of these commenters do not know about GamerGate and what the companies are doing behind their backs.
Man, just look up what Anita Sarkesian used to do, the Independent Gamer awards, and man... I can go on but fuck it.
Just sad people are so ignorant about it.
PS. Intel supports Feminist Frequency
Edit 1 - Oh I forgot, Gamers are dead - Just Google those articles.
I never heard of Gamer Gate until recently on AJS videos and until this one I didn't know wtf it was. Never cared to look it up. As a gamer since birth 26 years ago I never gave two fucks about any of this shit. Too many people get butthurt over what is in a video game. Feelings. If Mario wants to have sex with the Princess after rescuing her, let him. She isn't helpless because she is a girl, she's helpless because it's a fucking turtle dragon that kidnapped her and Mario is a plumber who was trained to eat shrooms all day and spit fire. Fk Feminazi's and fk Vaccinations, Fk ya Measles for everyone.
kingragnork
GamerGate fights against that dumb stuff, not for it.
But proto!
ProtoMario
GamerGate fights against vaccines and for giving people Measles? Wow it really IS a terrorist group.
k shaw It's so dumb that it might just be true.
There is so much corruption in the gaming industry. It's really surprising when you look closely at it.
Baxter Rhodes Which is why there needs to be a massive push against it. If not #GamerGate, then something else. Just sitting around like Joe here and saying "pfft, shit, yeah I support ethics...yeah!" is not enough. There needs to be an organized move for change to happen. Take historical precedent: the Civil Rights movement for example, it was a hell of a well organized movement that required months of training and preparation for the movements to go as planned. They also had backing in the NAACP and similar groups.
Iconoclasm_ Too much work. Gaming journalism is too corrupted. First we would need to hit reviewer sites, then much smaller things. Why reviewers first? They are the reason we get games so people who wouldn't know about the "New Game Order" will have legitimate reviews. Then we would get micro transactions, dlc (or make so dlc is the max is 15$ but the quality is 60$),and last but not least the companies themselves (EA, Capcom, Ubisoft, and Activison). #NewGameOrder
But, doing this may change gaming forever, for the better or worse. The question is, are you prepared?
Baxter Rhodes Journalism in general is corrupted, not just in gaming.
NTDev88
I wouldn't know to be honest. I'm just commenting on what I have seen so far with gaming journalism.
Baxter Rhodes I agree.
"You GamerGaters need to watch out". - is that a threat? Would Angry Joe ever say that to the Anti-GG side? Of course not. They are the cooler kids in his view. He changes his tone but only to appear impartial. His emotions during this rant speak louder than his words.
"I'm tired of hearing about Gamergate" - does Joe wish the general public didn't have a voice to begin with? I understand that playing in a competitive online environment can breed this sentiment towards the male gender. Guys like to trash talk, everyone knows this. And girls don't like it. Does Angry Joe not understand that the feminists and SJWs are the ones provoking this revolt? Constantly. Trashing straight, white males is how people like Anita make a living. Just like Rush Limbaugh going after democrats.
Joe never points out anything fundamentally wrong with the anti-GG side. He is just pissed off they didn't win 100 - 0 and criticizes their tactics for destroying the percentage of the population he considers the real scum.
I don't remember claiming to be a flaming GG, so I got nothing to worry about.
You don't have to support one side or the other to recognize the consistent reaction to the general public being allowed to voice their opinion thanks to the internet. The press and academia (in San Francisco especially) REALLY doesn't like a free market concept where the mob by virtue of sheer numbers can shout them down.
***** I think it is a vaguely disguised clash of cultures. The San Francisco academic elites are the click of kids who thought they were too cool for the general rift raft back in school. Ethics in journalism - just an excuse for different tax brackets and levels of higher education to throw poo at each other.
I wish games had more in-your-face and challenging gameplay. The first generation of games required practice to master. No more. Women as a group will NOT bring challenge to gameplay. The perception (right or wrong) is women want to take challenge away.
THAT is a reason for GG to exist, masked behind a curtain of BS talk.
Hmmm... I wonder what's for dinner my king? lol
I think he says that the gamergate members need to be careful to avoid going (more) rampant and totally waste the potential of the movement. I mean, to actively inspect the veracity of gaming journalism and spread the popularity of charities is great, but to actively doxxing and harassing people to the point they need to call the police is pretty sick.
Miguel Antonio Ruiz Vidaurri That and anything that might constitute a crime in any way should probably be avoided.
Translation of AJ's stance on GG: "I want everyone to like me, coz my views rely on it, so I'm just gonna agree and disagree with everyone, and dodge the facts."
He's the South Park of gaming superstars.
And by South Park I mean "2010s all Parker no Stone womyn-loving left-drifting South Park".
Fence sitting is always the safest type of sitting..... unless it's a really high fence.
or maybe that's his opinion on GG.
Cancer sama
Its the only reasonable one to have at this point. The whole thing really is an embarrassing shit show
WeLikeSportz
Or if someone sitting on the fence gets one of the pickets up his hamster hole.
I gotta be honest, Hatred is a game that needs to come out to shock some liberty back into gaming. I'm so sick of these gay ass politically correct games where females can't ever be in danger so as not to pose the risk of "damsel in distress", a character can hate everyone but a gay person because that would be prejudice, and GOD FUCKING FORBID a picture of a female in a bikini flashes on screen for one second.
Jester In short, the game will be boring, but it's the idea of the game. It's the hero we need but not the one we deserve.
Jester I dont think hatred will have any effect, all the people in it, boys and girls alike are cardboard cut outs. Replace them with robots and no one would even be able to tell the difference, they dont have any personalities
It came out.... aaaannd it's a boring piece of shit
God forbid they let you play as a character who smokes, but they'll let you play as the literal devil. (Heros of the Storm)
DRAMA WE NEED DRAMA GUYSSSSS
JONTRON: Disneyland?
Angry Joe: Sleepover?
JONTRON: Beers?
Everybody:YEAH!
kewl Boi I bet that's how it actually happened too. Joe suggested a sleepover, Jon said "beers?" and everyone responded "Hell Yeah!" I wish I could've been there. I don't even drink beer and I would've been in agreement with everyone just because of Jon and Joe. That's how awesome they are. I wish someone would draw like a comic or a cartoon of how that went down. I'd watch right away.
I got involved with #GamerGate 1) Because these outlets don't have the right to decide for me whether I use the term Gamer or not. 2) This is a consumer boycott.
This is Gamers saying these sites are stupid, are blacklisting game developers based on (undisclosed) personal ideologies. They're making devs miss their bonus for bogus low scoring based on personal crusades (meta-critic needs to be reformed too).
These sites are on the way out, and most of us Gamers don't pay much attention to them, but behind the scenes that are causing chaos and damaging game developers.
Also, we are fighting the media. Unfortunately the games media has a broad reach into the mainstream, and the has manifested in a concerted smear campaign against us in #GamerGate, and it's continuing to smearing all of Gamers.
We're just a bunch of Gamers that don't want our love for our hobby erased and don't want these websites that we don't even browse anymore to control what we play and how it's developed.
Admittedly there are a lot of wild idealogies coming from various groups within #GamerGate, but then, how do you propose policing a boycott.
For some reason so many that we face up against seem to identify as feminist, specifically 3rd wave. It's especially weird because there are feminists among those of us who support #GamerGate. I guess we're supposedly more 2nd wave but we want equality, these people we're up against, want something else.
I won't go into the scam artists, some of which you mentioned in your video, and how they and many of these outlets refuse to have civil conversation. I personally see ethics policies being reformed as great successes because that's what's going to stop these outlets from excerpting undue control on our game; transparency.
Just want to say great post, absolutely phenomenal explanation.
Can I just add the whole feminist thing and try to elaborate just a touch? as far as I can tell the absolute biggest reason why Feminism is always brought up is because the mainstream media seems to think that the mainstream third wave radical bigot feminists speak for women as a whole along with other minorities, which is actually why #notyourshield was formed in correlation with #GamerGate
Also if I am to be honest I am convinced that this was a cauldron waiting to boil over since Anita first entered the scene (if not even further) with all that bull shit Tropes vs Women (maybe one or two good points but dammit I could not stomach watching any of it now how one sided it is) but with the whole misogyny in games message going around the quinspiracy just seems like the pebble that caused the rocklide, the feather that broke the camels back, whatever metaphor you want to use.
helpful at all? most of this is just a bit of observation but still
If I could use a projector to put this comment on the moon.... I would... but i'll just have to settle for a like lol
I applaud Angry Joe for reasonably discussing a heated topic. Hopefully not too many people will make too much of a big deal about it.
=points to comments that are way below this one= Unfortunately....
He wasn't reasonable. Reason has a standard for evidence not a standard in not rocking the boat. Besides, people only hate on gamergate for what others say about it and not what it is. Label anything as misogynist and you press the win button as least as far as liberals are concerned. Hell they did the same thing with Obama's re-election:
"There's a war on women herpy derp vote for Obama!"
Fact is anyone swayed by such rhetoric are the real sexists.
*****
well, having breitbart on the gg site and one writer who like shat on gamers in some tweets, but then kissed Gg asses because they loved his misogynistic diatribes.. (milos greekname, something with yamapopulus or such)
so, yeah. or this baldwin guy. seem conservative (so at least one conservo and teabag-nuuter, respectively, whos who ist yours to decide)
Katharina Franke Oh fuck yeah, all the love the Breitbart was suddenly getting outright sickened me. People kept linking me to his site. Seems to me that GamerGate was the excuse all the ultra-conservatives of our generation needed to come out of the woodwork and declare themselves to be the next fox news generation.
Karl Waldron
Joe ain't exactly wrong.
Thefuck is gamergate?
Exactly.
GamerGate history in a nutshell.
(FG = Anti gamer-gate / GG = gamergate)
FG: Alright guys, this girl promised tits so we gave her good reviews, what a great deal right?
GG: Wait a minute, is that the ONLY reason you gave that game good reviews?
FG: ...Maybe
GG: Well then we're calling you out on it.
FG: SEXISM! PATRIARCHY! MISOGYNY! DEATH THREATS!
GG: Wh-What? We just pointed out the fact that you gave a "meh" game perfect scores because you had relations with the creator
FG: RAPE THREATS! WOMAN HATERS! NECKBEARDS!
GG: ...You're not going to stop this are you...
FG: FOX NEWS! MSNBC! VICTIM-COMPLEX!
GG: ...You know if a guy did this we'd crack down on him too right.
FG: But you didn't, so you're lying
GG: ...We're surrounded by idiots...
TrueWOPR Nice copypastex2 combo.
dasuberkaiser6
Only copy/pasted myself.
TrueWOPR Your bias is showing. It's almost too obvious to tell which side you're on.
2018
-Fallout 76
-Sony dropping about E3
-Tabata leaving SE
-Kingdom Hearts 3 leaks
-Quantic Dream harassment scandal
-Diablo Immortal
-EA cancelling Star Wars games
-Rockstar over working their employees
-Battlefield V being “historically inaccurate”
-BO4 having no campaign
Remember when the biggest problem gamers faced was whether to get sega genesis or super nintendo?
Yeah I miss those days
Amen
And most gamers didn't make fun of the other system either. In fact, we went to our friend's house to play the exclusives on the other console. I miss those days too. I mean I love how much more involved games are nowadays, but the drama today over a freaking hobby is just stupid.
wow your comment just make me remember my childhood ^^
i like to go to my cousin house to play super nitendo and my cousin would go to my place cause i had sega genesis
I MISS GOING TO PEOPLE'S HOUSE TO PLAY 4 PLAYER GAMEs!!
hell even 2 player games
I just hate the fact the majority of games today, not even just shooters, dont offer split screen multiplayer or split-screen campaign . it has to be only through the internet
its like did game developers/companys forget we like having friends over our homes and playing videogames together?
Bryan Mota Steam has a few split screen games. Google it. Just hook up your pc to the TV and get some windows controllers. :) Wii U is still living room fun. Hell, Nintendoland even supports 5 players!
As a supporter of #GamerGate I don't mind taking a neutral stand point at all. You do you do. Just remember it's not #GamerGate that says by taking a neutral stance you "silently support it's harassment". Remember that people on both sides of the issue have faced harassment, something the opposition of the movement has tried very hard to play down or white wash.
You wanna know if you support #GamerGate?
Q: Do you believe that the media that covers games should be open and honest with their readership? This includes when they write stories about friends or lovers, or if they got special "gifts" from publishers?
If you said yes, then congratulations you support it, even if you choose not to in name. GamerGate supporters being called misogynist harassers of women has as much validity as the "Games make people violent" argument from the 90's and the "Games are satanic" argument from the 80's.
#GamerGate is what happens when gamers feel like those that are supposed to defend us as consumers decide to spit on our face and mock us when we say enough is enough.
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***** That's not just a problem with ethical movements, it's a problem with leaderless movements period. You need to balance whether accepting the name is worth getting coloured by fringe elements and extremists. Right now I wouldn't self-identify as a GamerGater any more than I'd self identify as a feminist or a socialist as the terms are just too loaded for them to be useful in rational discussions.
BakehousePictures when you step back and look at it, both sides have those kind of elements. Thats why i mostly ignored the whole thing.
Not everyone in GG is the same. Personally i don't care if people are feminists or not as long as they are okay with me being an active MRA. I'll make fun of Gone Home but again that's just me.
You have to realize you're supporting the cause not all the people involved.
BakehousePictures
Gaming Media shut be Honest... With IGN as the BIGGEST HOR, in the Video Game Community.
That's not goner happen :P
What is iffy to me about GG is that it enables those hateful people to think they are backed up in their opinions. They're suddenly a hateful group instead of single person with a lonely view. But I can say the exact same about the sjw "movement". As a feminist I can't expressjust how cringey I get when SJW identify as feminist and then band together to flame unsuspecting people for breathing wrong. No. You're just being hateful, there is no righteousness in what you're doing.
It just spawns this horrible mob mentality imo. There is nothing organised about either group.
feminism isnt the problem. its the feminists(really just misandry) that codemn all men as sexist pigs. i really hate this whole "women NEED to do x,y or z." it seems insulting to me. maybe very few women want to be software developers(which is true). they typically dont find the job appealing. i have 0 problem with women developing a game or doing anything but i do have a problem if a company hires a women over a man(in this case the man is the better programer or whatever) just because they can announce to the world that they have females on their programming team.
Well put!
***** I wish having to fill a gender quota was something that didn't have to happen. I would really hate knowing I got a job not because of my expertise, but because of my gender. But, on the other side of the coin, I would really hate to NOT get a job because of my gender as well. The fact that women have been shut out of a lot of careers because of their gender has led to this unfortunate way of "solving" the problem. It is ment to be a temporary solution until we reach a point where a female in what was previously seen as a man's job isn't viewed as weird or abnormal. This is also important in mostly female dominant jobs as well. At least in my country there are quotas for men in fields such as nursing, kindergarten, school etc. A man applying as a kindergarten teacher will almost without hesitation get the job because there is such a need for male rolemodels for small children. We need to break ALL the glassroofs. Men in nursing jobs and females in executive jobs. A future where a man isn't afraid to be judged by his peers if he wishes to pursue a "feminine" job, and a woman isn't afraid of harrassment and being undermined if she choose to pursue a job within gaming (for example). And soon in the near future I hope we will not need quotas to make that happen. Though it would always be awsome to try and find different ways to solve the problem. I've always loved gaming yet never actually considered the path of developing them myself. Having delved deeper, however, and gotten to know more female writers/developers/producers I couldn't think of anything I'd rather do :)
tl; dr: What I am trying to say is: no, forcing anyone to do anything for the sake of doing it is wrong. That doesn't solve anything. But yet there needs to be paths carved for those walking behind. It may seem absurd and disruptive at the time, but I at least, hope that in the end the result will be something positive. Aaand now I feel like I've talked too much again xD
diamondsofsix you're absolutely right. it sucks that sometimes women are denied jobs because of their gender. it really does. BUT i feel like most businesses could care less about the gender of the employee but rather how good they are at their job because even if an employer hates women, his love of money probably overshadows his hate of women and i feel like it probably doesnt happen as often as we might think.
***** It isn't as common now as it used to be, that is true, and I think some of that is thanks to the excessive light that has been put on the problem. But there aren't that many decades ago since women were denied higher education. So naturally those generations would view women as uneducated and mostly just fit for a job as a secretary. The further we move on the less this will be true, and we can see this in our generation where the mere idea of a woman not being as educated as her male peer, simply because of her gender, is absurd to us. The last of the lingering prejudice is dying off, thankfully. This is of course only speaking about our own tiny little part of the world. If we look broader the idea of a woman not being qualified because of lack of education is very real.
Konami kicking out Kojima and making Metal Gear Survive for a cash grab, is that good enough for 2016 list?
Yes. In a perfect world Kojima would get the MG and SH licenses and we would have a finished TPP, Silent Hills, Death Stranding, and MGR2?
Kojima quit, he did not get "kicked out"
In a perfect world people wouldn't willingly give Konami money for Phantom Pain while screaming "FUCK KONAMI" at the top of their lungs thinking they're actually supporting Kojima directly.
well to some people TPP was a finished and awesome game and y'all can go fuck yourselves.
Phantom Bigboss Well it was awesome for sure. I see it as the third "Mercenaries" game that we never got. Finished though...thats pushing it. No matter how much you enjoyed it, its obvious whole sections of the game and narrative are missing.
GamerGate hold on. Don't stop fighting for what y'all believe in. Because if you give up, say goodbye to Grand Theft Auto, Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Metro, Red Dead Redemption, Far Cry, Metal Gear and all other gaming series. All that will be left will be "feelings games".
What are you saying?
Esecutive ChaseKatchup I'm with you. What???
Esecutive ChaseKatchup Im saying that if these SJW's push their false ideologies enough and get enough backing, that their might be some policies put in place to censor anything that can be offensive in gaming. So lets say that I am offended when characters have Russian accents, because I am Russian. Because of my offense to this, I want all copies of GTA 4 band or dubbed. Also, all Modern Warfare games, because you kill Russians in those games, so I think that you should either band them or replace all the enemies with untextured boxes or something that can't be offensive to anuone else.
he's referring to grand theft auto being removed from stores in Australia
Dude... are you on drugs? because if so I want some.
I love how most of the comments are about GG. In my opinion the whole Swatting thing is leagues more serious than whatever Gamer Gate is.
Agreed. People are more vocal about GG because we can all agree Swatters need to be arrested and serve 25 to life.
***** It is the year 2088. Millions of people have become victims of the dreaded act of SWATting. Last year, the united states has made yet another statement decrying SWATting as terrorist attacks, but the killing still continues.
It has been this way for as long as Vivian "James" Sarkeesian can remember. She was given her name in tribute to a video game character, though she didn't mind. Her great-grandmother was a very vocal games critic in her time, even though she wasn't very good at it.
On the same day as Vivian's 18th birthday of this year, something horrible happened: the United States' third female president, Sophia E. Alexander, was assassinated in her hometown of Lakewood, California. The president was assassinated by a man claiming that she was "contributing to the patriarchy" by expressing her approval in an amendment being voted on that prevented the government from banning any art form for "equality-based reasons." Her demise resulted in several states rejecting the amendment out of fear of similar attacks following.
Not only is the United States outraged, but Japan, Great Britain, France, Brazil, and numerous other countries are also angered by her assassination and how the amendment's passing would ravage their economy. Meanwhile Sweden, Turkey, China, and numerous other countries applaud the failure of the amendment, calling it's defeat "a poetic end for America's history."
World War 4 is inevitable. Last time there was a war, part of Russia, both North and South Korea, and the Eastern half of the United States were rendered uninhabitable by nuclear bombardments. But, even with nuclear weaponry all but extinct at this point, this may very well be the war to end humanity.
But, just like with the birth of atomic bombs in 1945 and their death in 2025, fate would unleash a new horror on the planet. An unexpected blackout occurs in Vivian's hometown in Nevada. At the time, Vivian was ankledeep in power wires and gaming accessories while playing an online game of Battlefield Dynasty (a cross between Dynasty Warriors and Battlefield. Don't ask why) using her newly acquired Oculus Rift 7. The equipment, however, was highly susceptible to causing electrical shock when turned off improperly. The controller she was using alone could cause electrical burns when misused. The blackout occurs, yet you couldn't tell from the light and explosion that was coming from the room. Under normal circumstances, Vivian would be dead. But this is the origin story of a fucking video game character, so of course she survives. But this survival would come with an... interesting... side effect.
/videogameintro
I agree
Swatting is more serious but I'm more likely to buy a shit game because of unethical review articles, hence GG is more relevant to me.
The International Game Developers Association has blacklisted people and developers who refuse to be Anti GamerGate, which is pretty fucked up, and led to one of the only 2 managers of the IGDAs New Jersey Chapter, getting screwed over for being neutral, so that's my personal controversy to share.
*****
agreed, but it turned out pretty well for the guy, he basically kept the community of members and devs and just gave it a different name
Am i the only one who has never heard of this gamer gate shit?
Nope you aren't.
You're a lucky one. It's a giant shitshow, both sides.
Jake Irwin no I hadn't heard of it until now
Tiber Septim Praise our lord and savior Talos.
+Jake Irwin no its just a dumb internet fad
If you're going be neutral in this consumer revolt, please don't look like a uninformed moron. The 5 Guys thing was not about slut shaming, is how a certain person was able to manipulate journalists into writing one way to that person's benefit. That person was being in control of the media and had influence.The slut shaming is something spinned by the corrupt media that sides with her. AJ clearly is trying act neutral, but he is doing a shitty job at reporting facts. He just picks and chooses arguments on both sides which looks very half-assed.
Who gives a shit?
Naftul Zvi When you go to a gaming website to read about a game, wouldn't you like that article to have some basis in fact and not be written in favor of the game because the developer gave the author sex/money/gifts? I don't know about you, but I personally don't like being lied to about what I'm looking to purchase. If I wanted that, I'd just smile and nod every time EA announces a game.
Or maybe you can rent the fucking game and decide yourself whether or not you like it. Also who uses one source to decide their opinion about something? Just sounds like you're a bad consumer.
"Angry" Joe seems to be scared to state facts as he may have ties with some game journalists. By the way he talks his ass off with the slut shaming and GG and anti-GG and only mentions the ethics in game journalism (Which is the core important part that actually matters to gamers) he seems to be doing the same as those game journalist by trying to change the subject from the important matter to bullshit. That way everyone can just say GG is just a stupid fight that has no meaning.
Yeah....he only talks about the most important part (the ethics), so what's your issue?
The swatting stuff is so scary...That could easily lead to someone getting killed.
***** and the police have been 'informed' that they're about to murder someone... what do you think is going to happen? This shit needs to be shut down. Examples must be made
***** I know a lot of people (including myself) with guns in the house. First off, don't sterotype like that. 2, I agree that swatting could get people killed if the person tried to defend themselves, and that person wouldn't be in the wrong, but neither would the police since they thought they would be going against an armed and dangerous criminal. It would solely be the swatters fault.
I believe there was an incident where a dog was shot by the SWAT team. It's not even the Police's fault. The calls are the scary parts. When the "Swatter" calls, they claim hostage situations, bomb threats, family slaughter. These teams are ready to kill because of the severity of the situation.
i think it has, i dont have the facts to back it up but i believe someones father was killed in a SWAT raid. not totally sure but im sure i saw an article about it a while back.
they should do that in compton
Joe clearly didn't do much research on GamerGate did he...that's a shame...
Why, he is not interested in going into details about a group that at it's core probably has good intentions, but are over run by a loud vocal minority of misanthropic a-holes.
Gerhard van der Berg Clearly you haven't done much research on GamerGate either lol.
He mentions the Aristocrat but looks like he didn't even watch his videos. It comes across like he knows the important matters of GamerGate but just won't discuss them instead focusing on the twitter, reddit, GG or anti-GG bullshit. He may be scared to piss of some game journalists or maybe he has his own agenda.
Brendyrose
What is that research?
Brendyrose Clearly, nobody who doesn't agree with you has "done much research". Brilliant.
Fifa 26
Battlefield: Star Wars Battlefront 2
COD: Super Advanced Warfare IV
Total War: Warhamer 3
Far Cry 6
DayZ Early Access
***** it tooks me 5 min to understand it lol
hehe
***** I don't get it...
runningguy54321 on the video at one point he says that somegames stay a early accces a very long time and dayz is one of them so the joke is that farcry 6 is out and dayz still in early acces ^^
+Ravenzx Zanganzx I read... and read... untill I read ,,DayZ Early Access'' xDDD LOVED IT!
So, here's the official lesson that can be learned from gaming in 2014:
PEOPLE ARE STUPID.
Isn't that every years?
Dead Pool Yeah, but 2014 amplified that to it's highest possible point, without any clipping, at least.
TheCrazyEven just wait for the sequel in 2015, now with more Anita. :P
Wait, you just figured that out?
TheCrazyEven I sense an electrical engineer in the room o_O
Look Angry Joe i think you are in denial. Anita is a very extremist person who pours in lies and concentrates so much on stuff that to be honest won't even help woman. She says things like theses games are sexist and if you play them you hate woman. Well maybe not exactly like that but you get my point. I play horribly violent video games and i love woman i want them to strive in society and the advancements that been happening for them is only going to get better... i hope. I just wish you would wake and see Anita Sarkisan as who she really is. Please you are for justice and doing the right thing.
Did you even watch the video?
Naftul Zvi Yes. I know Joe wants to remain neutral. But sometimes we can't stay still and do nothing sometimes we must fight.
Fight what? A twitter war?
Naftul Zvi No. For example lies that Anita spreads all around. And not just the twitter, she went to national TV now. Most people who don't understand will just take it as it is because it's news so it must be true.
Good for you I guess if you think you're doing something. What has she said that's so horrible that you feel the need to waste your time bitching about it?
What I think of GamerGate (and everything around it)
I
Dont
Care
I'm just gonna play games that I like and not really think otherwise, which is also the reason why I dont mind the game "Hatred", though it looks rather boring from a gameplay point.
That said, I know early access is risky, but Im having a hella time with Starbound. So fun ^^
Well said, sir or ma'am!
Say that when all games that are available must fulfil a subjective criteria and those developers not sided with that ideology will be bashed in public. Nice.
Dat new winter update!
Serge Kent Do you have any proof at all that all games are going to be forced to follow one ideology or are you just saying that to spur up controversy where there really isn't any?
Serge Kent Although I have to say this argument made me pick my tinfoil hat, I agree that Game developers must be free to explore any subject that they want and let the free market be the judge of his/her product!
These end of year angryjoe videos are like my favorites on youtube
Wow, neutral my ass.
Your past tweets in the months were quite AntiGG from the get go, you haven't inched much since then.
who cares what "side" hes on. this has been the stupidest shit i have ever heard. to me BOTH SIDES ARE FUCKING STUPID! not right or wrong. there are just acting like FUCKING 5 YEAR OLDS!
***** spoken like a true prodigy man...
Both sides are ridiculous about this
Seriously, if he was "for" one side or another, he'd never risk his cred saying he was neutral at all, he'd get eaten alive.
dude you need to get life and reevaluate what your doing cause its fucking embarrassing.
***** So one side is asking for greater disclosure and more ethical behavior from persons in the games media, while the other side opposes them on the false grounds that they are harassers. Tell me again how the people asking to be treated with respect are acting like five year olds? Because I'm really not following your logic.
Funny how "Microtransactions in AAA games" was a very controversial concept and it's now a normality
There is absolutely no evidence supporting the allegation of gamergate members threatening any of these woman. So why do u stupidly take their word for it?
Poor research?
***** Joe himself explained that it's a hashtag and how that makes it almost impossible to moderate who uses it, but when it comes to the bigger threats that they publicise you can actually start to see the lack of association with the movement beyond interpretation
***** I never said no one has ever made threats against a woman (frist off I like how you specify woman as if a threat against a woman is worse then a threat against a man for some reason... one of the reasons anti-feminism arose)
I made a comment about the big threats, like the one that made Sarkessian cancel one of her speech (despite police making a statement of how the threat was empty cough cough) that is the example I'm going to use, and in that case sarkessian published the threat so all could peruse it, and funnily enough no direct mention of GamerGate in the threat. that's the point I'm making, they associate the entire movement by a mixture of trolls and very vocal anti feminists who might not even be using the GamerGate hashtag.
so any counter argument without taking what I say out of context?
"members"
Stop pretending any of it actually mattered
***** the anti gg people were the ones that sent milo a syringe and a dead animal. they're the one's doxxing people and getting them fired. you want to start adding up which side does more harassment?
I was always in between with the gamer gate argument. honesty and integrity needs to be observed with games, and Quinn dating the same guy that wrote an article about her game is INCREDIBLY shady. though the online and real world harassment wasn't called for at all. however my point still stands.
It was initially a good cause that got taken over by the toxic (generally sexist, but other kinds too) members of society, and lost by those not willing to stand up to them and pull it back to being about integrity in game reviewing. Too many people who didn't care about games saw it as a place for their own platform.
sexiest lol
Apparently Quinn lead to a guy committing suicide after his life was genuinely ruined......
@@Sonichero151 wtf !?!? Can you explain or at least link to some kind of article talking about this ?
@@nerdandnerdier887 She accused a game developer of things like trapping her in a room, took her cellphone, raped her, abused her, etc, ruining his life, at a time when she had a distinct online presence that proved her allegations were demonstrably false, and the guy committed suicide over the allegations.
Step 1: Slander and slur an entire community who never did anything to you
Step 2: Cry harrassment when you get what's coming to you for it.
Step 3: Hit the college lecture circuit
Step 4: Profit
Cripes, christian evangelists haven't got as good a racket as social justice wankers...
Yes, nasty things were said about Anita and Briana. Absolute non issue. EVERYONE deals with that, they are not special. Stop white knighting, it is NOT a sign of respect for women. Quite the contrary, it's something we call "The soft bigotry of low expectations." Feminists and the misguided white knights who support them are the misogynists, they treat women like children.
Oh jesus fucking christ, the GG and anti GG brigades are here to fight in force
I'll be over here, where its sane, and we can accept that both sides have valid points and this shitstorm of hyperbole and "Us vs them" theater is absolutely meaningless.
***** Welcome to the neutral side, here's some pop-corn and 3D glasses so you can enjoy watching both sides tearing each other apart :D
Nobody gives a shit that you're neutral. If you want to stay out of the discussion then don't post.
Fredfredbug4 You certainly gave a shit since you took time of the day to come in and attack him :)
***** Irrelevant. Saying you're neutral just so you can pretend to be more smug and intelligent than other people is just shit posting that nobody wants to see.
Fredfredbug4 It's not neutral people's fault you are so insecure about your own stance
I think you make some interesting points about #GamerGate
I haven't watched it yet I scrolled down comments just to see if you commented and the comments so far seem civil minus the trolls. Im glad he also put sources on info on GG so Im guessing this will be very good on Joe.
Bryce Albrecht If you subtract the trolls, and people affected by trolls, then all internet debates become civil. It's like saying "Wow, this place is really clean minus all the trash."
I agree.
Matt I Think You Need To Tell People About This #1 Spot And Point Out Out All The Important Parts.
can't tell if sarcasm or not...
Regarding Number 10, what you said about Hatred, I have to say...Well said Joe! I'm a gamer and a father of 3, and parenting is the key! I make sure to allow my kids to play what I think they can handle. My son, who just turned 13, is now allowed to play Halo and Call of Duty...but not GTA. Hatred looks like a disgusting and shitty game, however, no one is forcing me to play it. I voted with my dollar and didn't it. Again....well said Joe!
Good parenting. But let them take a break from FPS(s) and make them try other genres. Like the old Final Fantasy games? (The ones that are T) or maybe other games. Seriously it works. As a 14 year old I don't really play FPS(s) that much anymore.....except the BF1 beta but that will be good.
Anyways multiple genres help your kids not become more "angsty" and now I sound like a paranoid parent and I wrote a paragraph. Wow.
Anyways I don't know your kids so raise them how you want. I am sure they are nice. I will shut up now. Bye.
Sorry Joe, had to quit your video early. There was just too much misinformation regarding gamergate in this.
kris cain it's really not... Do your research please
like what?
Reese Labbe He totally glosses over the ethics thing and claims we hate those sites. Which is total bs. I've been part of GS for 10 years and i am working with managment for an ethics policy. He's just shitting on it
It isn't misinformation just because it goes against your opinion lol.
Or in other words, you disagree with his opinion
Swatting has to be one of the DOUCHIEST FUCKING THINGS you can do to someone. Ever. It completely ruins people's lives, and it has no purpose. It's literally putting innocent people's lives in danger for SHITS AND FUCKING GIGGLES.
Not only does it put a huge target on people who provide internet entertainment for a living, but it wastes so much money and nothing is done about it.
Christopher Vereshagin FUCK THE POLICE.
Patrick N You got that right... A kid, 16, in Canada got sentenced to 25 years in prison for 30 swatting cases...
Edit... Apparently he is being charged with 60 charges and even had a twitter to swat people they request... Kind of messed up :\ The kid, I mean. He is messed up. A kid from Louisiana was sentenced to 25 to Life in federal prison...
tuck234 Wow....that's just insane and incredibly sad. I've heard of this swatting prank on celebrities, but not gamers...and this is just flat out crazy in so many levels.
Wow, somebody who actually spoke out about #GamerGate in a very understanding, moderate, and sensible way.
Da fuck?
Thank you entirely for keeping discussion open for both sides and listening to the sensibilities of both sides.
In my opinion GG is a well intentioned movement executed in a poor way due to it's randomized and uncooperative nature. Something you can't control. Anti-GG are also well intentioned in the sense that they're trying to handle games in a way appropriate for everyone. Unfortunately there's a handful of douche bags on both sides but I personally see more sensibility from the pro-GG side. Just my perspective.
Well it's disorganized out of necessity. Right now TB is getting a lot of flak from Wil Wheaton, Brianna Wu, Ian Miles Cheoug and other vocal Anti-GG people for supporting GamerGate. And they sent dead animals and knives to Milo of Breitbart.
I just want gaming journalism to die a horrible death. please developers just start making demos and shareware again. Fuck Reviews Fuck all these "gaming" news sites.
*****
Yeah, I agree. It's simply a nature of the GG side of things to keep things decentralized. There's douchebags on both sides but to me the vocal and supported ones on anti-GG are the douchebags while the douchebags on GG are generally silenced and unsupported.
D0pamineCl0ud
Agreed. Journalism right now is shit in the video game world. That's why I don't even bother with it anymore. My games ignore the media and we try to do our own thing without them.
Cha0x110 A good thing to keep in mind that most of these 'douchebags' aren't pro or anti. They're organized third-party trolls from places like SA and /baph/ that are trying to stir up shit on both sides. Instead of saying 'both sides are to blame.' i think it'd be smarter to just say 'there are jerks who have nothing to do with the actual message.'
How the fuck did hatred becase a controversy? The whole point of the game is to shock you by killing innocents, But the innocents are mindless bots!!! They only say stuff like "NO!!!" "PLEASE!"
Hell in GTAV the innocent people you can kill say stuff like "HEY I HAVE A FAMILY"
Or "I WAS JUST DRIVING TO PICK UP MY KIDS"
To be perfectly accurate: in Hatred innocents also beg you for life with "I've gotta family" shit. :D
that phrase is the most cliche word in a movie/videogame at least rockstar changed it a little bit
In GTAV killing innocents isn't your goal. And there are other objectives.
The main purpose of Hatred is the literal murder of innocent civilians. Straight up homicide. They're not military combatants or armed terrorists, they're *civilians.* That's why it was controversial.
It became a controversy because the developers intentionally stirred it up for free publicity. The game itself is mediocre at best and really no more "contriversial" than any other shooter. The real issue is just how skeevy and disgusting these developers were for stooping so low and in such poor taste.
So if there will be no more GamerGate, where do I get information about feminists lying about video games?
I like how the illuminati is asking for truth lol in all seriousness though that's kind of the point as to why GamerGate shouldn't die! obviously
There's small group of CZcams's that records #GamersGate news.
*NEET LIFE* seems new users friendly. she basically tells you what events happens in a weekly news format.
***** Tell us more about how video games suck now because they don't have fake difficulty any more.
Those two subjects are not related.
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Joe, I understand that you get thousands of comments a day, especially when you make a new video, and that the chances of you seeing this comment are slim to none; but I want to get this off my chest.
First I want to preface this by saying I just re-watched your Anita Sarkeesian argument from last year, and the Gamergate one from this. All I want to say is that I agree with you when you say people shouldn't send death and rape threats to people with different opinions, and I also agree that sexist assholes will be sexist assholes at the end of the day. Where I don't agree with you is when you say to just listen to Anita's opinions. Don't get me wrong, we should listen to what she has to say and think about it. The problem I have with the way you say it is that it sounds like we should just accept her opinions. I know you said you don't completely agree with her, and that's cool. If you did completely agree or disagree with her that's cool too. It's your opinion. However, acceptance won't help the problem, but a discussion will, and that's my problem I have about Anita. She doesn't want a discussion, she just wants to state her opinions as fact. Comments on her videos? Disabled. Ratings? Disabled (You could argue this is because of the threats, but still I can't find evidence of her having a discussion with another person with the opposite opinion). If you saw the ABC News piece that aired a few weeks ago about Gamergate, and you probably did see it, you will see that it is focused mostly on threats and stereotypical arguments against games like GTA. It isn't promoting a discussion, it just repeats what we already know: Anita got attacked and mainstream news sources continue to say how games like GTA are evil. Neither will admit that killing the prostitute in GTA after sex is optional, because that will undermine their argument.
All I want is for people that agree with Anita and mainstream news sources to have a honest discussion with those of us who have a different opinion. If we don't have this discussion everyone will stay in their own little worlds, and nothing will change. I hope this comment reaches you, or anyone else for that matter. If this doesn't happen the worst is yet to come.
***** That's right, we don't have to listen. However, if we don't speak our opinions on the matter no one can listen to our side. The people that do listen to her, news sources in gaming & mainstream outlets and some developers, won't have another opinion to think about if we just ignore what she says. If this problem is to be solved, if it can be solved, then both sides need to voice their concerns. Some will be heard, and some will definitely ignored, hell even this could be ignored if someone chooses. But, at the end of the day, honest discussion will be what gets things done. Nice comment man.
Could not agree more. She states her opinion as fact to people who don't play games and tell those non gamers that games are sexists and uses rotton examples. Like her hitman BS, were she shows him beating up the strippers....YOU LOOSE POINTS FOR DOING THAT. And she goes and tells people it encourages you to do it?!?! You get penalized for it how is that encouraging you to beat up those women? It does not but she sells it as fact to people who don't play games. And that only hurts the gaming industry.
Dementiablack3190 Exactly, her main audience is non gamers. That can also be said for the mainstream new sources that side with her when they report on gaming. Sending their message and taking things out of context is how they get people fired up against gaming. They don't want to help the gaming industry, they want to hurt it.
BensGameTime
I'd correct you in saying her main audience is radical feminists who are non gamers, and ignorantly believe women are being oppressed and objectified in modern gaming yet they've never given said games a good play-through.
TheVeryWhiteGuy Radical feminists or not, non gamers will just take anything said about gaming to heart. Just a shame that the good sides of gaming aren't show to them.
You know, Joe, I'll bet it's really easy for you (at 45:00) to tell people that they can be for gaming ethics without the hashtag when you're sitting on 1,800,000 subscribers. Somebody like you can say whatever they want with the assurance that there is an audience ready and waiting to listen.
But for everybody else, that hashtag is the only way they can be heard. They can post something to the hashtag and be confident that somebody is looking. It's more than a little disingenuous of you to tell people not to use the only avenue they have to make their voice heard when you're in possession of the biggest microphone around.
Except that it is undeniably tainted. And he didn't say not to use it. he just said to understand the implications and the stigma surrounding it.
Use another hashtag that isn't related to gamergate . Problem solved. Shoot, post something on reddit, don't just follow the hashtag gamergate train
Brett Melton Another hashtag that will just be painted in the same light by feminists and popular gaming site.
Aramonde Hasashi no it won't, as long is it isn't a group hashtag that is just another extension of gamergate. Just make a hashtag to something similar for gaming
Oh, just don't post on the hashtag that thousands of people follow. Post on... #hickorydickorydock instead, cause hey, nobody will see it, but at least it doesn't have a bad reputation. That makes a ton of sense.
Here in Europe Gamergate was a non event, I only knew it was a thing because Cracked couldn't shut up about it
Yeah i know feminism hasn't really hit England yet don't know about the rest of Europe
+GamerAndy01 I'm pretty sure women can vote and work in England...
+I eat pears no I mean the thing about extremism with feminism
GamerAndy01 Then say that.
+Elven Master Race Thats not what feminism is tho.....
The comment section is oddly calm, WHERE'S THE SALT?
GET MAD PEOPLE.
oh its coming trust me, we already have a single guy and the mr. judge right above your comment
altho tbh i dont mind pissing off douchebags. and this, is very lightly worded, for all your civilized discussion needs.
I DONT NEED YOUR DAMN LEMONS
I'M ANGRY
ANGRY ABOUT ELVES
You're not looking hard enough. The salt floweth forth like blood from a policeman's neck stump!
I can't get angry with Reggie's calming face in the comments.
Also the swatting thing is really serious, they have the right to kill your pets if they see them, and if someone is in the kitchen holding a knife they also have the right to shoot
Holy crap, that's even scarier when you put it that way!
He could be just making a sandwich,you know with butter...
Pearse Traynor Always a possibility. But what happens if one of the SWAT members gets a little edgy and decides to shoot before he thinks?
mariofan1ish I would be super pissed if some little prick called swat to my house for a prank and they killed my dog
a youtuber called gamerfrommars made a video about it warning people about the dangers, but the comment section just turned into a retarded mess of HURRR DURR MURICA IS STOOPID 4 TAKIN POLICE REPORTZ SURIOUSLY
I don't really understand the whole HATRED thing. You can commit mass genocide in GTAV, but nobody says anything about that. If there is a difference that makes these games be placed on the opposite side of the moral spectrum, please explain. I'm not trolling, I'm just a gamer who's been poorly informed on such matters.
I think the difference is how you CAN commit it in GTA but you HAVE TO in Hatred. Hatred makes mass genocide and serial killing the actual objective of the game, while in GTA, you can do it, but you're certainly not encouraged to do it.
Yep, that the sole difference between the two. That verb: ''Can'' versus ''have to''. One give you the choice to be a psychopath or not. The other, you HAVE to be a psychopath.
ChevaliersEmeraude In the end, you choose to play the game, or not. You don't have to do anything. This wannabe controversy is utter bullshit.
ChevaliersEmeraude got it. GTA allows you to, but doesn't push you either way. In Hatred, the only goal (as far as I know) is to murder every person you see as fast as you can. It is literally a genocide simulator.
TheAnnoyingGunner Controversy based on BS or not is what the Hatred guys were aiming for and it's exactly what they're getting, still think they should be allowed to release their game though.
Matt Kenney As most other shooters are as well. Why does a game have to sugarcoat the violent parts with pretentious morals? It isn't edutainment. You are killing simulated people. Sometimes they shoot back, sometimes not. Sometimes you get some kind of reward for these actions, sometimes not. But you play it, because YOU want to. It doesn't matter if the game gives you no other choice, YOU made the choice to play the game. If you don't want to mass murder everyone any longer, you stop it. Either by following the story line, doing other side activities or by simply starting another game.
Dang, three years later and here we are with loot crates and microtransactions in Battlefront 2...
There's this movie called "God Bless America", that's about a middle-aged guy and a teenage girl going on killing sprees because they are fed up with stupid fucks in this world... It's a good movie
***** Why? It's kinda a movie that mocks the popular culture, it's satire.
One of my favorite movies.
While I liked the concept of the movie I saw it and I didn't really care much for it.
***** My description was there to take a parallel with Hatred and that the "premise" is about random killing people,doesn't mean it's gonna be bad.
Not everyone will like the same shit, so don't feel entitled to tell people what is good or not based on *your opinion.*
Joe, we simply don't care that Zoe Quinn slept with 5 guys, the issue was that these guys were connected to the games industry and game journalism sites and some of them gave coverage to her Depression Quest game WITHOUT DISCLOSING THAT THEY HAD A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH HER, that's a clear breach of ethics when you're reporting on a subject. One of them even was mentioned in the game credits, don't you think that would raise some eyebrows?
For quite a while proper review sites and magazines have given good reviews to games and films that have turned out to be shit. And I am talking in a real obvious way, and often in national newspaper. This was something noticable and probably measurable.
Your example is flakey. It's hearsay. Correlation does not prove effect.
The concern I have is why it is Depression Quest that "breaks the camels back"? Especially when as you said, it was "coverage" (not that I saw any of the coverage mind) and not Full Promotion like the Shadow of Mordor PR team tried to pay for.
RedSoulYo Most people familiarized with gaming sites already were aware that these websites would accept financial bonuses or ad revenue to give positive coverage on AAA titles. Some famous cases that when a journo refused to do this, gave a game a very critical review or a lower score than the traditional 8/10 or 9/10 were fired are a good evidence on this.
The issue got out of hand mostly due to streisand effect, people concerned about potential personal biases of journos towards their report subjects were being silenced on various websites and the gaming sites completely refused to speak on the matter. This issue could really be solved in a single day and Gamergate wouldn't even be a thing.
Also, Zoe Quinn was involved with the Wizardchan controversy and The Fine Young Capitalists charity almost being shut down, but I won't comment on those to avoid this comment being any larger.
I like the point you made that gamers aren't shitty, but rather there are shitty people who are gamers and that gaming culture isn't anything like these people. That made a lot of sense and it's a concept that people don't pay attention to nearly enough.
The right winged conservatives thing didn't really get the same benefit from you in the video. Just like gamers, the vast majority of conservatives are just neutral and couldn't give less of a shit about either side of the debate. It's the same way with liberals on the other side of the fence. Hell, this is the first time I've ever actually heard about what it was simply because I really couldn't care less before. I didn't want to here a two-sided, super biased argument from people bitching and moaning about the other side, so I'm glad to hear you first so I can get some truth.
Shitty people exist in everything. Conservatives, liberals, gamers, feminists, police officers, politicians, day care employees, veterans, fast food employees, etc, etc. That doesn't mean that other people who identify with those things are shitty or anywhere in the spectrum of the idiocy that if often represented.
Just an observable opinion.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, fuck BroTeamPill.
Well said, my friend. Well said!
MAlford65 I didn't even notice the logo when I watched this. Did Joe remove it, or is it that inconspicuous?
MAlford65 Who is BroTeamPill?
Randygandalf95
Look them up. They flagged this video for a small image of their name among dozens of other names and took the video down for a little while with a copyright claim. Completely unfounded and an abuse of the system.
26:43 Would love to hear Angry Joe's opinion on the microtransactions of COD Points on Black Ops III and how the new weapons are locked behind supply drops in the black market, which makes it subject to the very low rates of getting a single weapon, let alone all of them!
I don't like you any less for your opinion of neutrality on #GamerGate. I respect your opinion. Also, for the record, I'm typing as I'm watching.
I would recommend you do a little more research to understand the movement itself. The reason that the Quinnspiracy (pardon my spelling) was the spark to create the movement of #GamerGate was because it had to do with gaming ethics and journalism. She confirmed sleeping with multiple reviewers, and her motives for such an act were to boost the amount of positive reviews on what is said to be an inaccurate representation of real depression. Yes, it was internet drama, but it certainly wasn't pointless.
The focus on the sites who said "GAMERS ARE DEAD AS AN IDENTITY" were stupid the *whole way through their articles*. Empty-women sentiments is a stupid point, because it's false. Anti-women is also a stupid concept, because it's false. I do agree though, there are sexists in the gaming community, but it isn't because they're gamers. It's because they're douchebags who just so happen *to* be gamers.
The political thing is really funny and super weird. I agree with that. That shit is hilarious, and stupid.
Leaking personal information of someone is a shitty thing to do. I don't think anyone but the person who did that would deny that it's a shitty thing to do. However, Zoe Quinn has a large amount of controversy surrounding her for good reasons, and to my knowledge, Brianna Wu is not all that trustworthy in general.
*WOAH WOAH WOAH*, it's not an issue of slut-shaming, Joe. I can see where you might have gotten that from, but based on anything I've seen, it has nothing to do with slut-shaming. Based on the evidence that *I* have seen, it appears to be an issue of someone using sex as a means to boost their own game. That's fucking lame. If your game is not good, you do not deserve positive reviews. If she was called a terrible person, I'd be willing to bet it was because of her poor choices, attempting to abuse the reviewing system as a whole, not because people thought she was a slut and that was just terrible.
For the record, if a man had done such a thing, it wouldn't be any more acceptable. That man would still be guilty of using sex to get better reviews on his potentially shitty game. Who knows, maybe those who would criticize him would call him a predator, or a scumbag.
Yep, I hate Anita Sarkeesian too. Why? Well, simply because I'm male, she would likely consider me a misogynistic, oppressive, violent, scumbag, who, (based on the fact that I'm male), would be 100% more likely to shoot up a school. Anita Sarkeesian is dumb. Straight up *dumb*. In fact Joe, she'd probably consider you sexist, since you enjoyed Hitman: Absolution. You know, the game where you're *encouraged* to murder prostitutes. She'd also probably think you sexist because you enjoyed GTA V, a game centered around the justified murder of innocent women. She thinks *every single female video game character is sexist*.
Hell, she seems to think *Zelda* is an example of sexism. *ZELDA*. As in the character after which *almost every single game in that series is named, and for a good reason*. I got into a CZcams comment debate with 3 other people. One of these people was with me, defending Zelda as an awesome character, which she truly is. The other 2, who had clearly extremely limited knowledge on the series as a whole. Zelda is not a sexist character. Good luck arguing that.
Let me give a brief summary of why I don't like Anita Sarkeesian:
Too much clothing on a female character? - Oppressive.
A medium amount of clothing? - She's still looked at as an object.
Too little clothing? Even by choice of the character? - Sexist. Object. Sexualized, which is (somehow?) inherently negative.
Bayonetta is a fucking awesome female character. Anita Sarkeesian thinks she's terrible because as a character, Bayonetta likes being sexual. Even though Bayonetta is a sexual character by choice.
TL;DR
I think you should research a little more. Your view on what #GamerGate is seems to be a little misinformed.
*****
Lmfao
Sorry man, she admitted to it.
***** I see where he's coming from, and if that's the case, I'm fine with him being neutral.
Trying to accuse something of bullshit is not reason to skew evidence, however.
ThatDarnIrishMan I used the hashtag because that is its proper name. When speaking I just say "GamerGate", but it's not improper or unnecessary to add the hashtag.
I almost never use hashtags. This is the first time I've used them, in fact.
Shut
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bitch
Makai DeLorme I'm proGG but why the fuck does everything have to be -gate this or some word mash up like Quinnspiracy, i mean come on!
you're a good person joe... i give you my badass seal of approval
I second this!
+1000
***** you are a stupid sack of shit
Absolutely!
As much as I am anti GG ALL I want to say on the issue is how much I admire Joe's ability to acknowledge the worst in both sides but still go out of his way to defend the best as well. Seeing the best in people like that is a really cool thing and I respect you for that, Joe.
Yeah, far too many people seem to have an us vs them mentality when it comes to divisive stuff like GG. It saddens me to know how tribalistic this whole thing has gotten.
Actually the his criticism of GamerGate was disproportionate than that of Anti GG. Roughly 3 minutes more. And he often goes off against conservatives despite no proof of any kind of political bias from either side.
If you go against any political stance, and try to claim your moderate, then you're lying.
They should've call Hatred "Edgy: the game" instead.
Fell asleep on the #1.
Found myself asking too many times "wtf is GamerGate?!"
I go to work, come home, enjoy a video game solo or with friends/casually or competitively.
Didn't think there was much else to 'gaming'....
It's pretty much summed up in this picture. oi58.tinypic.com/xlayqu.jpg
Same here
Waiting for your review of Dying Light before I pick it up.
You're wasting your time. Dying light is a great game. Finally a game that didn't disappoint.
Dying Light is basically Dead Island & Mirror's Edge combined
just bought it lol
Dying Light "Dead Island With A Story and parkour 10/10"
Gone Fission! "With A Story" nah
Lets be real here. You came to this video for the comments section and the salt.
yeah my salad needed some salt.
Yup
No, I mostly came for the vid and actually watched it.
How did you know!O_o
Konami and Anita for 2015?
+Darkkefka Wouldn't be surprised if Konami was in the top 3 with the crap they pulled with Kojima
+Darkkefka Joe doesn't say shit about Anita, I think he is actually scared to say anything negative about her.
+Devoureveryhour or because no one gives a shit about some stupid chick
No!! Let that hack fraud fade into obscurity.......don't even bring her up
Joe white knighted her
Joe Vargas is a true gentleman and I love him.
I wouldn't say "gentleman", but he is a 'bro' so to speak.
I like joy because he's passionate, if he says something or makes an opinion i dont like i just dislike his video, unsubscribe, then subscribe back the next day when i get over it.
mariofan1ish Gentleman are good looking men with a sense of fashion, unfortunately that makes Joe not a gentleman
King Tutankhamun I see 'gentlemen' as more refined men with "higher" tastes. Not to say gaming is a low taste, but that isn't exactly how I see Joe; I see him more as the everyman and 'bro', someone that's agreeable enough and is on a similar level to us, so to speak.
Haha yeah and seriously this is the only comment on this video I've seen that isn't controversial!
Thanks for going at the GamerGate thing unscripted, Joe. It really displayed how honest, passionate, and good you are as a person and how much you want the world of gaming to develop into a healthy environment for many people to join. Please continue to remain neutral and do your thing, because you are the best at it. Hell, even Watchmojo agrees. :) I and your 2,000,000 odd subscribers have got your back. :)
its hilarious that Hatred is a game that gets hate in 2015. maybe in the 90s, but not now. We've had Postal, the 'controversy' is just white noise now
It happend with GTA, It happened with Postal, and most likely it will happen with games in the future.
Angry joe. Pleass do a top 10 controversies 2016. here's some tipics. greenlight, youtube, nostalrius shut down, ect.
kdgmr97 no mans sky false advertising also
Don't forget Digital Ho- I'm sorry, Digital Suicide.
Yeah. I was hoping he would've done a Top 10 Gaming Controversies of 2015.
Dear AngryJoe,
I'm not really the kind of guy that leaves comments, I find the internet communities obnoxious at best and I try to avoid any discussion here as I do not believe it to be productive.
I tend to be interested in some aspects of the games outside of the gaming experience itself, usually the way it uses narrative and fun (i'm talking about the design behind it, we have a specific word for it in French but it seems you don't). In the end, the worst part of it is the behavioral system that corporations use to control gamers (the infamous Goals - Actions - Merit - Evaluation, or the Skinner Method). It could be used for better purposes but no, it has to be used to suck the money out of you. Hell, if you take a look at most smartphone games and other candy crush bullshit, they are actually more of a direct application of those psychological tricks rather than actual game design!
In the end, all I wanted to say is that I witnessed you trying to denounce this corporate crap out loud and being "punished" for it. And I saw you not giving up.
For what it is worth, I just wanted to say you have all my respect, and I do believe that you and some other people can stand as figureheads to enforce a better gaming.
Sincerely,
Cocococaine
BTW, say hi to Other Joe
I agree with all that! But don't forget the entertainment! Ride to Hell haha
What Gamergate originally was has mostly completed its objective at this point. A lot of websites have changed their policies so that we can actually see if there are any links between the writers and the devs they are writing about. Despite what a few of the more extreme feminists say, that is what Gamergate was about.
But at the same time there are a lot of dickbags in Gamergate and a lot of dickbags in anti-GG.
Shit like this makes me happy that I only play offline single player campaigns
Amen Brother!
KingSyrian Screw online multiplayers. I didn't pick up video games back in the early 90's so I could play with people who weren't next to me. If I wanted to interract with people I would go outside with a tamagochi!
Campaigns rule! Playing the Last of Us again is super fun :)
Cosplaythief Have fun living in the fucking 80s.
Noah Mann I like the 80s, i was born in the 90s but still.
Gamer Gate was right to call out the writers, and Quin. She was screwing people to have them at least mention her game to attract attention to it. That sounds pretty corrupt to me.
Zoe's relationship with that guy supposedly did not start until after the mention and the breakup.
Harry Swinchin Keyword being supposedly. I still find it odd she even had a relationship with the guy that mentioned her game in his article. It sounds set-up, and suspicious honestly.
+Humdrum Still, it's none of your buisness.
"Gamer Gate was right to call out the writers, and Quin"
Only if gamer gate was a more closed movement. This way many "members" were just idiotic kids who posted really fucked up shit. I'd probably commit suicide or become a hermit in the mountains if that much hate was directed at me.
Darude-Sandstorm
+SUGAR NIPZ Darude. Sandstorm.