WATCH THIS before buying a carbide helical (spiral/segmented) jointer/planer cutter head
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First some words of wisdom: “Buy once, cry once”. Now my personal experiences: I purchased my Jet 12” jointer/planer combo machine with a factory-option Shelix cutter head in 2010. I STILL haven’t had to rotate any cutters. This is all the better when you realize over 800 bd ft of white oak and 1,200 bd ft of western cedar were jointed and thickness planed in just 2 projects. I was concerned the Jet has only 1 feed speed on the planer. My fears were for nothing. I’m a happy camper with the Jet combo and especially the Shelix cutter. I use the large 5 micron Jet Vortex dust collection without a single problem. The 3 hp planer motor seems to be easily handling the load. I’d happily recommend both! The first time you joint a 10” board, you ask yourself, why didn’t I make this investment sooner!
Right now whenever I have questions, these videos always seem to pop up and give me great information. Thanks.
Not sure why anyone would give this video a thumbs down. I found it to be very helpful, clear and concise, and well presented. Thank you for posting>
I think he makes it a clickbait title, like helical aren't that great, when throughout his video he talks about numerous advantages to them.. He should label this more accurately instead.
Agreed, I came here, based on the title, expecting to find an argument against the cutter head, instead he talks about how good they are (which I already knew, which is why I was confused by the title).
You certainly got all the pros and cons right on this. My Shelix head doubled the overall cost of my Dewalt 735 but I no longer have to replace those hard rubber knives that Dewalt sells. I couldn’t get 1000 sf of hardwood through them before they had to be changed out. The surface coming out of the helical head is smooth as a baby’s bottom. Good job on the review.
The way this guy explains .... just legendary!
I replaced my cutterhead on my Dewalt planer with a Shelix. One of the best decisions I've made. - When I bought a new jointer, it was the Powermatic with Helical head. SO glad I spent a few extra $$$. Great overview Stumpy!!
A FEW EXTRA DOLLARS ? A used Stanley #3 or #4 with the best blade available can be had for under $100 and will last a half a lifetime.
James, thank you for not only this video but for them all. "Explaining" is a valuable skill that not everyone possesses, but you've got it abundance. Your videos are always extremely informative and easy to follow. Keep it up!
Thanks to your very helpful videos on the helical cutters, I replaced the knives on my Delta TP305 planer with the Shelix helical cutters from My Wood Cutters. Not cheap but a great product. Although it took me most of the day to just disassemble my planer, the new cutter head went in seamlessly. (Other CZcams videos were also very helpful.) Thank you for your helpful advice on the Shelix.
I love guys like this, Einstein once said if you can explain it to a 5 year old you know your subject. This guy knows his stuff !!
I’m not a high production furniture maker or miller by any means but I bought my helix one year after purchasing my Dewalt 13” thickness planer.
I went through 3 sets of blades at $89.00 CAD/ set and made a move!
I had my helix for over 5 years planing oak, hickory, zebra wood as well as soft woods and to sum my impression of this cutter head- WORTH EVERY PENNY, at least in my case.
Before when thinking about any project, budget in particular, if I didn’t have $89 for new blades I tended to stay away from figures woods and even then dull blades were issue, when blade doesn’t cut- it chisels!
TIP: If you knick your straight blades, on most planers/jointers, you can swap out just one blade and eliminate the lines.
On some like the Dewalt, the blades are also reversible. Flip one blade and your back in business.
This was some great information as I have been thinking of switching out my DeWalt planer and Grizzly Jointer Head. Thanks for the links and the information.
Ken
very informed discussion on the two types of cutters for Jointer...and Planer.
Big thanks from Sydney, Aust. Appreciate the time you've put into this as per your other videos. I must add that on observing the wall in the background, I am feeling that you are sadly short on planes and am considering sending you one or two of mine... :-) Cheers and thanks - Dave
Thank you. One of the better product videos I've seen. AND, it was much needed.
Finally! I've been waiting for this episode. Thanks for the information!
The Shelix planer head I ordered just arrived last week. I have enjoyed it's performance. At work, we have helix cutters in the jointer and planer and I was happy to finally upgrade my home planer.
this is such great info! I didn't realize I could replace my planer blades, but I also didn't realize some of the added benefits of upgrading either. Thank you for this video!
Thanks for the great information. I found your videos a couple months ago. They are the best woodworking videos out there!
Thanks Stump! Another quality video with good, straight forward content. Keep it up, sir!
Very good video. It really helps me to make a better choice. Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge! Really appreciated!
I am envious of your beautiful tool "museum" behind you.
Very well said Mr Nubs
Wow. Thanks for a concise, helpful video. I too was not aware that I could just swap out the cutterhead in my existing machine rather than having to buy a new one. Awesome.
Great review, came back to it just before buying my helical head for a refresher. Maybe I missed it but the cost savings are more than just the cost of the individual knives. While it matters most if you're a business but the cut quality results in a huge savings down the road for other things like sandpaper and labor even the hobbyist. The fact that it leaves a smooth finish alone is enough to justify the upgrade. Because NOBODY loves sanding lol
My stock DW734 gives an incredibly smooth finish on 99% of boards, but I don't like how I have to inch down by like 1/128 at a time unless I want it to bog down. If I do 1/32 on any hardwood it bogs and it popped the internal GFCI on what you'd think would be an easy cut
Great video, balanced and to the point.
Really helpful video, thanks for explaining about the different pros and cons!
VERY informative video. Thank you a thousand times!
So glad I watched this. I was in the market for a Shelix cutter head for my DW735. The Shelix lead time was 10 months. Lux cut 3 were available right away and I had my cutter head 6 days after ordering. Also, I don’t like what Byrd is doing. You can buy a DW735 with a Shelix preinstalled for 1600 dollars. 600 machine, 500 cutter and 500 for installation. Absolutely ridiculous. They say they have those available now but just the cutter head is 10 months out?
stumpy thanks for your insight on these cutters. when I decided to buy I bought the Cutech jointer and planer that already had the helical cutter heads and am very pleased that I did. now I need to upgrade to the carbide cutters instead of the HHS cutters that have served me well
Another quality video from Stumpy Nubs! Thanks a lot!
Great information have always wanted to know the pros and cons Thank you for sharing. GW
I was not sure which one to go for and your video helped me with my decision. Thanks for this much needed information.
I sometime work in a friends shop he has a huge planer when he switched from straight knives the noise reduction was great , and the cut was much smother good talk Stump
I have a dewalt planner with reversible knives and a spare set. When I use those up, I'll get a shelix.
I have a 6 inch benchtop Jointer that might get replaced by then.
All good things to you. I really like your presentation style.
Spectacular video and information. I just got a Shelix cutter for my dewalt DW735. Everything Stumpy says is true. I really need to look at updating my jointer now.
I learned a lot from this video. Thanks a lot!
Well explained! I upgradet to a combination unit with helical cutter heads... and i would never change it again👍
Your point about more power required for the helical head was interesting and the opposite of what I had assumed. But it makes sense. Thanks for the info.
Ok I took the leap and invested in a shelix for my DW734 and my Delta 37-190. I sure hope they are worth it! I trust after watching this video they will, but $750 hurts. Lol
Good info, thanks! I had no idea I could buy a spiral cutter head for my portable planer.
Very informative, I'm looking to buy my first thicknesser and this has been very helpful, don't know if I can get them here in the UK yet but gonna have a look , thanks again for a great video
Wow, very informative and thorough. Thank you!
Very nice video. Thanks. One addition. Sometimes we have our blades sharpened so that can reflect in the price. Keep up the great work Stumpy.
thanks for posting, I was just thinking about this
100% true, have had my Powermatic 20" HH for over 5 years now and its still on its original set of cutters and I process all my own wood directly from my bandsaw mill once its air dired about a year. Handles tigermaple, curley cherry, flame birch and crotch walnut very exceptional, more efficiently and much quiter than my original planer with HSS knives. Now the decision is to spend over $500 to retrofit my Delta DJ20 jointer.
Good video. Nice comprehensive comparison. Thank you.
Great video. Much improved format compared to your older videos. ☺️👍
Very good information. Thanks for posting.
The $550 helical cutter investment for my DeWalt planer, was one of my best upgrades I ever made. On another note, those carbide cutters, also make for a great low cost lathe tool.
Thank you for the video - very informative - I did read that there can be issues with tripping a breaker
Thanks for the great video. On the cost savings, you missed the cost of the wood destroyed by a straight planer, and the value of the time it takes to sand out tearout from a straight planer. Factoring that in, it pays for itself much more quickly.
And with hearing aids needed after using straight planer blades for many years....
Time savings of not having to check grain direction on several hundred parts for a kitchen is a huge factor. Helical heads cut time at the jointer by at least half. That's a ton of money over the life of the machine in a working shop.
Wonderful presentation, Stumpy Nubs. Love the name too.
Like many of your viewers, I also was not aware that of alternatives to my HSS planer knives. Thanks for the valuable information Jim. Next blade change on my Delta will be to the Shelix carbide cutterhead. Awesome.
Very comprehensive discussion regarding the helical cutters. Thanks, James.
Very informative. Great work - Thanks!
Extremely informative… looking forward to more of your tutorials.
Thanks. I appreciate your clear and concise explanations.
Great review. Never thought of power lose . On the helical head. Its cost thing for me to.👍
I upgraded my Jet planner/thicknesser with a helical head and had a couple of issues when I needed to rotate the cutters. I over tightened the screws by only a couple of pounds and had a number of them break. I was supplied a box of ten 15 x 15 x 2.5 x R100mm labelled as Byrde but they were not, some how there has been a substitution of 14.8 x 14.8 x 2.5mm cutters. I had a step on the surface where the new cutters were not cutting to the full depth. I purchased some new cutters and installed them problem solved.. It is worth running a digital calliper or micrometer over the cutters before installation. Do not trust that some creep has not tried to pull a fast one and swapped out some cutters.
Thanks bud. This helps me, now I will order the spiral cutter. I subbed you as well, and liked. God bless.
thanks again - professionally presented and very valuable information.
Thanks, good review. Consistent with my experience. Several years ago I needed to upgrade from my 6" jointer and my lunchbox planer, and space was an issue, so I got the Jet 12" combo machine with the helical head. Having a 12" jointer made a big difference in the wood I can handle, and the noise reduction was remarkable. At around 81dB I do not technically need hearing protection though I still use it. The inserts do leave a very fine basket weave pattern which sands out easily. Passed my old planer on to my son, and now I notice its often out of service waiting for new blades.
Those cutterheads are also great for making your own carbide lathe tools instead of paying the high price for manufactured ones!! Nice article!
I am just talking about the carbide tips which are usually square and carbide. They work well on lathe tools that you make yourself.
Again another extremely helpful video. Thank you very much.
I put a Shelix head in both my jointer and planer and have found them both to be worth it. Quieter, less maintenance time, better quality... all worth the money. If I ever get a larger jointer, I'll order a another one ASAP. I did have to wait about 3 months for the head for my 6" Delta jointer.
Excellent. Thanks very much.
Whoa! Nice detailed presentation. Gave me some pause for consideration. Up front costs are frustrating me as my woodworking hasn't paid for the cost of the machines(yet). Looked at this awhile ago re when they became a sponsor. Will check into it again. Thanks!
Man I need this.. actually I need a new jointer/planer. I bought a 400 bucks budget jointer/planer-combo and.. well, it's bad.... Anyway, thanks for your videos, Stumpy Nubs, I'm learning a lot!
I put one on my Dewalt dw735 and I love it. I will never go back and if my dw735 wears out I can just move it into my new one. It cuts so nice And smooth. I think that it was worth it.
Great info; thanks for the video!
Thanks James for the great information. I think that I will stick with my Stanley hand planes. :-)
We have a helical head on the machine at the shop where I work, and it's a double edged sword. The cut quality is great, but the increased demand causes out machine to overheat very regularly, which costs a lot of time. I'd say the helical heads ares ideal for larger machines, but are just to demanding for smaller planers.
Well i think you have wrong machine in shop then, small planers Are more for hobby or contractor works If needed can plane some wood, but not for working 8hour straight
Our shelix helical cutter has been a HUGE money saver just due to the surface finish that it leaves on the wood. Less money and time is spent on abrasives and sanding, and less wood is wasted due to horrible tearout. The sooner you buy one the sooner you will start saving.
great video, thanks. Can you also discuss parallelogram vs dovetail ways for jointers?
They work great on larger machines and the larger head diameters even better . It saves me a lot of sanding compared to my older straight blades .
OK this is the second video I’ve seen of yours that I really enjoyed and learned a lot off of. I’m subscribing and thank you for the contact
Thank you for the insight
Thanks. Terrific analysis.
Thank you. Appreciate the information
Thanks for the review. When rebuilding an older Rockwell 22-201 18" wedge bed, I did decide to put a shelix on it and have been pleased. One comment about the power requirements I can offer is the carbide is taking a scraping cut instead of the slicing cut of a knife - I'm suspecting that is contributing to the power draw.
I noticed a brief display of a Clear Vue cyclone dust collector in the video. How do you like it? Any commentary about it? Recommendations?
Good overview. I have both types of cutterhead - helical on my jointer and straight blade on the thicknesser. The helical is much quieter to run and produces a beautiful finish most times.
As for striking the odd nail, no problems so far. It whips off the metal and doesn't damage the cutter. You use tungsten carbide bits in a lathe and milling machine to machine mild steel and so can't see the problem. It means using recycled wood is not so disastrous on your equipment. As quality timber is becoming increasingly difficult to source, effective tools to deal with recycled materials makes sense. I still run wood through my magnet detector however when I remember just to be safe, cutting through bolts is not smart.
I upgraded to a helical head on my Powermatic 54A 6” jointer , what I found is the chips exhaust out the backside of the jointer rather than down the dust chute , upgraded to a larger collector and a 6” dust collector port to handle the issue
Vert informative. Thanks buddy
Well #Woodworking done, #StumpyNubs! #KeepTheChipsFlying!
Can't wait to buy one!
Great video. Thank you!
Helix plus carbide? Sold! thanks for the very helpful info
Boy was this helpful! Many thanks! Cheers
Very informative. Thanks.
What a data-rich video. Love it.
awesome review, thanks for the video!
very well rounded (sic) video style :)
Very informative. Thanks
Great video as always!!
Thanks for the link to find what works for my planer but wow, at $405 I'll definitely be saving for a bit before I'm able to afford that, it seems that it would be worth it in the end.
But the surface area of the contact. area between cutting edges and material will always be less at any given time with the shelix so although the motor driving the knives does get a "break" the one driving the shelix has a smaller demand on it at any given time. No? Great video, I'm a new subscriber.
Thanks for thanks for the information buddy
Honestly, before this video, I wasn't aware that a replacement head was available for my planer or jointer, so I really appreciate you sharing the site. I had thought I would just need to save up for a new jointer with helical head. Besides once a year when my father-in-law asks for cedar planer shavings for woodduck house bedding, the long ribbons are indeed a pain for the dust collector. I'm in the camp of only replacing my blades once or twice a year, but personally, I'd consider the dust collection improvements worth some $. The noise factor with kids sleeping is also something I hadn't thought about. Table saw and sanders can be run when they are asleep no problem, but I usually get "the look" when planing at night. Thank you for the video!
I expected the noise reduction to be more, the possibility of 50% noise reduction is just 3dB less at best
And it typically takes a 9dB change for the average person to perceive a doubling/halving in volume. So the meter might show a difference, but it will be almost unnoticeable to the ear.
I had a huge reduction in noise on my Grizzly 15" planer. I could be wrong about the cause but I think the original blades passing the plastic chip deflector contributed to a very loud thrumming with the blades. With the Byrd Shelix cutter the chip deflector doesn't seem to have the same resonant frequency and is not just quieter but a much more tolerable noise. I can talk to someone on the out-feed now quite easily.
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