One of the best payers of the era and i don't care if the NBA has him only 2 times all-stars and 2 times all-NBA third team.Much respect for the great player Manu Ginobili.
All-Star selections are purly fandom based, they have no real significance. It's funny to me that every time a player's being mentioned, they state his All-Star appearances as if it's an achievement. And still with his 2 time All-Star and 2 time all-NBA third teams, he has 4 championship rings.
Ginobili. 4 nba rings, 2004 Olympics gold medal (defeating the US. Duncan,Iverson, Melo, Lebron, Wade, Mardbury, Larry Brown and Popovich), EuroLeague championship (MVP), Italian League and Cup champion, MVP in both. Runner up in the 2002 world cup in Indianapolis, defeating the US. Harden? yeah, nba all star.. whatever And also... Manu plays D. Enough said..
Harden also has a gold medal in the Olympics.. Harden is still a young player that hasn't even hit his prime yet... and you're comparing him to Ginobilis whole career. lmao. I'd like to point out that rings are a team accomplishment, not an individual one, not to mention that Ginobili was lucky enough to play with Duncan and Parker his whole career. (same goes for Parker)
Uncle Jrue Harden played along with westbrook, Durant(mvp). and Ibaka .. so what? both tony and manu decided to play on a "team´s" team,, thats the key of there success. Harden decided to go to a shitty team to be the star and have a juicy salar- and also, Harden won the gold with the US team, Manu with Argentina!! (not a basketball country) Dont get me wrong, i think he is an amazing attack player, but Manu is an underrated hall of fame baller
juan cruz mansilla Yeah Harden won with USA, but making that prestigious team at the age of 22 is an accomplishment itself. KD never won MVP when Harden was with OKC. Harden only played 3 seasons with OKC, and only that last year was he a dominant player. I love the Spurs, and Manu as well. He's one of the best playmaker in the league, much better than TP, but you can't ignore the fact that Harden is a star player, probably the best SG right now and can easily become a better player than Manu ever was. And don't worry, Manu is getting in the HoF, guaranteed.
lmao Harden will never be better than Manu... not with that defense. And I can guarantee you if Manu played as much minutes as Harden when starting he'd average more in every category except scoring and Many would still give you over 25 a game easily.
@@nolivepass9087 manu was in fact the best player and the leader of the team. You might not notice it or you just won't accept it, but he was the leader of the team.
@@nolivepass9087 he led Argentina to a gold medal against USA with no TD and Parker to back him up, what u talking about?? (not even mentioning his carreer in Europe)
Ginobili is an original and could've been a starter on any other team, with a much bigger contract but he stayed humble and focused on staying with an elite team. Besides, in his prime Ginobili was much better. We saw some snippets of this versus Miami in the finals.
In fairness when this video was made he was still a fresh player in the league, coming from the bench. I don't think people had realized how little he would have developed since then, nor how non existent his D was. Manu was/is on a different level of chaos and skill
Manu actually left europe having his ass handed to him by the best player in europe who was the now retired Bodiroga. Something you clueless nba only basketball watchers keep falsely reporting that he was the best in europe. He wasn't. And learn to type english
Of course is impossible to compare. Ginobili is a champion, a REAL basketball player. A Fighter. And he is on his last year of career. HArden is a pure talent, with some AMAZING offensive skills. But for a team i will always choose Ginobili. First of all Manu can be a LEADER of a team, he can score, but also pass and he can also DEFENSE! Is a all around player. Harden for now is just an amazing scorer, but with also some black outs, and with no defense. HArden must start to think not only to himself but also to his team , if Harden will work on those things he can be whetever he want, cause the talent is big.
manu all the way! not even close with harden...ginobili is a future hall of famer and a legend not only in the NBA but in europe as well...won his team a gold medal in athens olympics!! while harden????
***** Dude, thats because Harden is a starter and is the main guy in which he takes most of the shots. If you put Ginobili in the same situation he would be in the MVP race as well.
Harden can't compete with manus passing, playmaking ability, and defense. The only thing harden is better at is shooting/scoring. But manu is a more valuable player and is a winner.
defense? sure. passing? debatable. But playmaking ability??? come on now be honest. In his entire career, Ginobli has never averaged more than 19 points and 5 assists a game. Numbers don't lie. You can't say that Ginobli is more valuable because the Spurs can definitely win games without him due to their well placed rotation and coaching. If you look at Houston (9-3) their offense is surely running through Harden and/or Howard. There is NO playmaker on that team besides Harden. Now i know you might be looking at this from a biased position and jumping on the "Let's hate on James Harden for inaccurate reasons" bandwagon but you CANNOT compare these two players because surely Harden at his prime now is better than Ginobli was.
Ismail Hakim Harden is very good at passing, he's creative and sees the floor really well. But Manu is a total genius. You can tell just by watching his between the legs, sick bullet passes, behind the back, behind the head etc. There are many videos here to prove that. Also Pop, when TP is on the bench, gives Manu the ball to create from p&r, wich is a beauty to watch. Regarding that "prime" comparison..... I wouldn't hesitate to choose Manu over James. Let's see.... Harden is a better shooter, super clutch and confident. We also know about his penetration, footwork and sick ability to finish at the rim. Gino probably not that good of a shooter, but very good. Tremendous finishing abilities in his prime (2005 playoffs imo), sick layups and even sometimes posterizing dunks. I'd say that, on offense, both are-were very explosive. Harden will always get more points and big scoring nights because he's the go to guy on his team and sometimes playing like 40 m. Instead of that, Manu shared his points with Tim and Tony for so long. He never averaged more than 19 and 5 because of the Spurs rotation system. He's played more than 30 minutes (season) just twice in his carrer. Even Pop said he "wrecked his career stats" benching him (with Tony and Tim) in the 4th to secure his health . We also know he became a sixth man pretty young, Pop's been using him to lead the bench for a long time. In what concerns defense, there's no comparison. Manu is a tremendous competitor, who'd put his face in front of Shaq if neccesary to draw a charge or put his hand for a block. There are uncountable videos of him giving clutch blocks to Kobe, Melo, Lebron, Wade, KD, Garnett, etc. He also really competes on one on one defense cause he's very quick. We all know Harden is a BAD defender and gets loose on the floor. No disrespect for Harden, I don't know what he may become. He's very good and still has a bright future, but I would pick Manu because he plays way harder than James even at 36/37, has guts and is a clutch performer and champion (don't forget he led his national team many times to many titles)
You lay out a very good argument. I guess at the end of the day we let our own biases choose whose better. Yes I am a Rockets fan so that's where my "Harden is better than Ginobli" argument comes from. Don't get me wrong I love Ginobli. He's great in everything he does and he has been for a long time but for the time being, I haven't seen anyone join a team and take it from 3 straight years with no playoff appearances to getting to the 8th spot first year, 4th spot 2nd year and hopefully 1st seed this year haha.
You are comparing a legend with a quasi-star who has serious problems with defence and leadership. In talent wise they are close but mentally there are only few players on earth who can compete with Manu.
***** Finally, someone being rational. Agree with everything you said, people are downplaying James Hardens skill like hes nothing. Talent wise James is on the same level as Manu, but he has a lot to develop in terms of intangibles. Which he may, hes still pretty young after all. Plus im sure Pop had something to do with how manu turned out.
When Manu was a free agent a few yrs ago he could've signed anywhere else for big $ and could have been a starter on any team.. But he stayed in SA. Says alot about him and shows he would put the TEAM first b4 himself.. Harden was quick to leave OKC.. I'll take an old Manu over a young Harden anyday.
Harden left because he wasn't being used to his full potential. He's now the star player of Rockets, but no one would call Manu the star player of Spurs, that goes to Duncan.
@@geronimo685 you wouldn't say that. Manu has a better winning percentage playing with Parker and Duncan, I dividually. He has lot of clutch shots more than the two. 50 best plays of the video highlight had manu making half of them, including sets plays. The only argument that a lot don't analyze is manu being a sixth man, but for so many times in spurs history, he was the best man.
Statistically harden MIGHT be better but Ginobili is my favorite player in the NBA because in playoff situations, it's hard to find somebody that I would want on my team more, than Manu Ginobili. Nobody is a bigger competitor than him
Harden doesn't have the passing, defensive part yet at Ginobili's level, he got the scoring part without a question though. Regarding the incredible plays I don't think nobody would ever beat Ginobili, weirdest plays and shit in general in a basketball court Ii have ever seen
Harden is a poor man's Ginobili...Ginobili in his prime is better in every aspect of the game, including team role playing. Manu could've easily done what Harden did, chased the money elsewhere and been a consistent starter. Instead, he understood his role and stuck with the Spurs as a 6th man and has had a tremendous career.
that's exactly what i think. harden's arrogance is so amplified that he actually thought westbrook and kd were holding him back, who are both far and away much better than harden could ever dream of being. they carried the load of okc on their shoulders while harden's one role was to just flop to the line sometimes and get some points up as a bench player. the way espn overhypes him sickens me
how is harden arrogant??how was he being held back. at the backend of games the coach gave him the ball and he would run the point while westbrook moved to off guard...have you not seen this????he wanted to stay in okc but they wouldn't offer an extra year and 15 mill so he was traded, perkins should've been traded but that's another story .harden westbrook and durant were all good friend's, westbrook and durant were clearly devastated that he was traded and made it public during interviews they should've given him an extension which btw are on youtube. i remember harden closing out san antonio in game five in 2012 in san antonio where in six straight plays he scored everytime they also won that series and went to the nba finals. go do your homework. i also remember him closing out dallas in the first round the games are on youtube. ginobli at hardens age 24 years averaged 8points a game you can google this fact if you like. ginobli is lucky he is playing with a coach who has recored 50 plus wins in 16 consecutive seasons. tim duncan(the greatest power forward to play the game) is there and so is parker. at the end of the day their roles for their teams are different. they play in different systems, when you look at that stats they don't lie. statistically harden has better numbers and is the best shooting guard in the nba as of right now...remembering the fact james harden is about 4 years from hitting his prime. ginobli at his best averaged 20 points in his best season. so you can't compare the both of them because of minutes played etc just stating one is better than other is not enough, also saying manu would be just as good on another team is silly even though he would be, you would never know because it will never happen....manu is at the backend of a stellar career, which is nearly over...
I'm double biased because Manu plays for the greatest franchise in sports history and Harden is a former AsSU player. Ginobili > Harden always and forever (sorry)
There is no comparison because Manu is one of the top competitors on offense and defense. Ever heard of team player? That's Manu. Harden is nothing but a self-indulged good offensive player who can't even bring his team to the playoffs.
daviru02 thats totally bullshit....you can question his defense,but seriously, he never missed a playoff, and he always been a team player, he's leading in assist this year
You can't just compare a player who is 25 with one who is 37, Manu is a fucking legend. He is (or at least was) the best passer in the NBA, you can see Harden trying to imitate his passes between the opponent's legs.
[James Hardens Agent] Excuse, me....excuse me James,....I would like to point out that when my client, Mr. James Harden...when my client compares himself to Manu Ginobili, as he did just now,...and I want this to be crystal clear, that my client is only speaking about the OFFENSIVE side of the ball.
trooperjoe73 never? Really? Never? I got news for you, individual skills harden and manu are on the same level. I got love for both of those guys but manu has surely benefited from playing under (in my opinion) the greatest couch ever, and with the greatest PF ever. Obviously Harden doesnt have the rings but if you think his talent isnt right up there then youre not really looking
ShietEverywhere i got news for you, manu has more iq for playing, always had, before nba he was mvp, the only things that limited his play were injuries, he is the most competitive player
ShietEverywhere i got news for you, manu has more iq for playing, always had, before nba he was mvp, the only things that limited his play were injuries, he is the most competitive player
martinsapo02 lmao you cant preface a comment with "I got news for you" then state an arbitrary/intangible afterward. My point was actually definitive in terms of their ability...yours is completely subjective because I could easily make the argument James Harden IQ is just as stellar by the way he gets to the free throw line. with his 27 points a game he's also handing out 6 assists...clearly he can read the defense and as for your MVP nonsense...Euroleague MVP isnt an NBA MVP. And im pretty sure manu was never even a contender...you know who is? All at 25 years of age...hes only gonna get better.
martinsapo02 See I hate when people like you respond like that because it makes me look like im discrediting manu's achievements when really hes one of my favourite players.
They are very similar in every way when it comes to offence. That includes speed, quickness, and jumping ability. The difference is Ginobili is a way better passer and a way better defender. Please do your research before making ignorant comments.
Ginobili is indeed a far better defender..... but passer... not so much..... they're different kinds of passers.... harden is an interior passer ginobili is drive and kick...... you could argue manu is indeed a better passer....... but he is certainly not far better... james is a fantastic player.....why don't you do your research before YOU make ignorant comments
So far , manu is a better player Reason: He knows how to contribute his team He is hard working, he knows how to play a game James Harden is a good player, but no defense, and less basketball talent, and always clubbing
This comparison is an insult at Manu. Harden is nowhere even slightly close to the level of Ginobili. Ginobili is a proven winner at every stage of basketball and an all time greatest. Harden is just a reasonable good player. He has not won anything and will not win any. The fact that harden became a mvp candidate just showed how bad the NBA game is being played now.
Ginobilli is much better, what a vision of a ball playing. harden never will do those passes and assists like Manu... maybe and only penetrating to the rim they have some similarity, and the way they shoot the triple
that was actually a really cool video good editing, hmmm both great players but i'd give the edge to ginobili he's a way better passer and i think he'd be more clutch in late game situations
For those misunderstanding why Magic Johnson called Manu Ginobilli a European player: Born & raised in Argentina of Argentinian & Italian parents, Ginobilli's early career saw him playing for the hometown team, however because football (soccer) & not basketball is the major sport played in Argentina or maybe because he knew there was money to be made (I don't know this for a fact, I'm speculating) the talented Ginobilli took his game to the Euroleague playing professionally for Italy & establishing himself & perfecting his signature Euro-step. Playing ball in Argentina to playing ball in Italy is like playing ball in high school & then going off to college, no one remembers your playing days in high school unless they went to the same high school, as such the sport of basketball is more recognizable in Italy than Argentina. Ginobilli established himself in the Euroleague & that's why Johnson called him a European player. He also plays for the Argentinian National Team when the Spurs organization allows him too.
Without Ginobili they don't win in 03, 05, 07. But without Duncan and Parker the same could be said. Having said that he got robbed of the 05 MVP. They should rescind that M
Manu 4 NBA rings --- Hardennnnnnnn???????? Manu Gold medal in Olympic game with Argentina-- Herdennnnnn??? Manu silver medal in World Basketball Champion 2002 --- Hardennn???? Manu 2005, 2011, All.Star game ---- Hardennn???????? Manu 2008, NBA Sixth Man of the Year Award --- Hardennnnn??? Manu MVP JJOO 2004 --- Hardennnn????? and Manu...........and Manu.........and Manu. Who is Harden?????????????
***** I grew up in San Antonio and have been following the Spurs since the late 1980s. Manu has four rings...he may have been drafted in 1999 but he wasn't on their roster in the 1999 season. Manu was allowed to continue playing in Europe until 2002.
If Manu had the chance to lead a team, like how he lead the Argentine team for a decade winning olympic and world championships, he would have averaged closed to what Kobe does while being double efficient. His only weakness was his endurance which was due to his all-out playstyle which was needed by the Spurs. He would have learnt to pace himself better like Kobe had he been the main superstar of his team.
If James Harden stayed in OKC, he had the chance to have Ginobili's career. Multiple rings, but not as gaudy stats. If Manu Ginobili left San Antonio years ago, he probably would have had James Harden's career, great stats, but probably no rings. Harden's young though, but the Rockets aren't going far for a while.
I think they're two of the most alike players in the nba both left handed, both have this sneaky way of getting to the rim, long steps, good passers, great closers..........
The video is comparing their individuals games which are very similar. Championships and medals are team accomplishments. They both like the Eurostep, both like to split pick and rolls, both are left handed, both like to Shamgod, both are "sneaky athletic," both like to change of pace, etc. that is what this video is about.
If Ginobili played for any other team in his prime he would have averaged 25 points 8 assists, maybe more...but I guarantee u he wouldn't have 4 championships. Harden will never get just 1.
thats what i've always said manu could've had a top 10 sg individual career if he played with any other team since in san antonio his whole career he came off the bench for someone he was better than but would most likely not have 4 champions maybe 1 or 2
As evidenced by the video the comparisons end at the offensive end. Manu was always the more complete player of the two because he was also a good defender, always bothering the opposition, for years the best stealer of the team, and capable of some impressive blocks on the best players. And of course who could forget his ability to draw offensive fouls.
harden is a great scorer and nba star right now,no question, Manu is a legend in europe and nba, a hall of fame, Jersey retired player, one of the best ever
i love manu and harden, its a compliment for both that they are compared to each other, its a shame that manu couldnt get to the nba sooner, probably his prime era would have lasted a lot more, i think he is a better passer (all time top 10 at least) and more unselfish team player, but harden its becoming a huge scorer and all around player, so at least to me there is no reason to compare and say whos better or worst lets enjoy both as beautiful performers of the game of basketball :)
Ginobili in his prime would eurostep you to 4 championships
ib4 harden stepback rocket to the 2020 championship. rocket vs bucks in 6
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@@phuonghovan8092 well, you had the bucks in game 6, you just picked the wrong team
Ginobili is the GOAT
One of the best payers of the era and i don't care if the NBA has him only 2 times all-stars and 2 times all-NBA third team.Much respect for the great player Manu Ginobili.
All-Star selections are purly fandom based, they have no real significance. It's funny to me that every time a player's being mentioned, they state his All-Star appearances as if it's an achievement.
And still with his 2 time All-Star and 2 time all-NBA third teams, he has 4 championship rings.
I agree. Always interesting player to sit and watch
Raph Peres becuase only the starters are fandom based. Assistant coaches around the league select the reserves in all star games
Ginobili. 4 nba rings, 2004 Olympics gold medal (defeating the US. Duncan,Iverson, Melo, Lebron, Wade, Mardbury, Larry Brown and Popovich), EuroLeague championship (MVP), Italian League and Cup champion, MVP in both. Runner up in the 2002 world cup in Indianapolis, defeating the US.
Harden? yeah, nba all star.. whatever
And also... Manu plays D. Enough said..
Not only that, Manu passes better then some PG's in the league.
Underrated All-Around Player. Manu is a LEGEND.
Harden also has a gold medal in the Olympics..
Harden is still a young player that hasn't even hit his prime yet... and you're comparing him to Ginobilis whole career. lmao. I'd like to point out that rings are a team accomplishment, not an individual one, not to mention that Ginobili was lucky enough to play with Duncan and Parker his whole career. (same goes for Parker)
Uncle Jrue Harden played along with westbrook, Durant(mvp). and Ibaka .. so what? both tony and manu decided to play on a "team´s" team,, thats the key of there success. Harden decided to go to a shitty team to be the star and have a juicy salar- and also, Harden won the gold with the US team, Manu with Argentina!! (not a basketball country)
Dont get me wrong, i think he is an amazing attack player, but Manu is an underrated hall of fame baller
juan cruz mansilla Yeah Harden won with USA, but making that prestigious team at the age of 22 is an accomplishment itself. KD never won MVP when Harden was with OKC. Harden only played 3 seasons with OKC, and only that last year was he a dominant player.
I love the Spurs, and Manu as well. He's one of the best playmaker in the league, much better than TP, but you can't ignore the fact that Harden is a star player, probably the best SG right now and can easily become a better player than Manu ever was. And don't worry, Manu is getting in the HoF, guaranteed.
lmao Harden will never be better than Manu... not with that defense. And I can guarantee you if Manu played as much minutes as Harden when starting he'd average more in every category except scoring and Many would still give you over 25 a game easily.
Ginobili is the best passing SG the league has ever seen
Not better than Harden..
Ginobili never led the league in assist twice..
@@matoff9466 okkkaaay
@@matoff9466 Way better than Harden.
@@TheH3dgie ginobli can pass better than harden?
Harden gives you games, Manu gives you championships!
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stop acting like Manu is a 1st or 2nd option in his chips, nigga cant win shit without TD and Parker
@@nolivepass9087 look at game stats without Duncan and Parker. So tell me
@@nolivepass9087 manu was in fact the best player and the leader of the team. You might not notice it or you just won't accept it, but he was the leader of the team.
@@nolivepass9087 he led Argentina to a gold medal against USA with no TD and Parker to back him up, what u talking about?? (not even mentioning his carreer in Europe)
Manu is the besttttttt
Ginobili is an original and could've been a starter on any other team, with a much bigger contract but he stayed humble and focused on staying with an elite team. Besides, in his prime Ginobili was much better. We saw some snippets of this versus Miami in the finals.
Ginobilli is the best
James Harden is not even close to Manu. Ginobili is the best!
You got that right!
In fairness when this video was made he was still a fresh player in the league, coming from the bench. I don't think people had realized how little he would have developed since then, nor how non existent his D was. Manu was/is on a different level of chaos and skill
Wtf? Harden is in the MVP race right now
Manu actually left europe having his ass handed to him by the best player in europe who was the now retired Bodiroga. Something you clueless nba only basketball watchers keep falsely reporting that he was the best in europe. He wasn't.
And learn to type english
Right on Michelle Z!!
manu is the most sneaky player i ever seen in my life.
Of course is impossible to compare. Ginobili is a champion, a REAL basketball player. A Fighter. And he is on his last year of career. HArden is a pure talent, with some AMAZING offensive skills. But for a team i will always choose Ginobili. First of all Manu can be a LEADER of a team, he can score, but also pass and he can also DEFENSE! Is a all around player. Harden for now is just an amazing scorer, but with also some black outs, and with no defense. HArden must start to think not only to himself but also to his team , if Harden will work on those things he can be whetever he want, cause the talent is big.
"Harden is just an amazing scorer"
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Ok, now everybody knows that you dont know anything about basketball, or you never watchd Harden play.
manu all the way! not even close with harden...ginobili is a future hall of famer and a legend not only in the NBA but in europe as well...won his team a gold medal in athens olympics!! while harden????
No
Manu at its 37 is even better than Harden now...
LMAO! Just stop.
Harden is in the MVP race right now, not Ginobli....
BRUH
***** Dude, thats because Harden is a starter and is the main guy in which he takes most of the shots. If you put Ginobili in the same situation he would be in the MVP race as well.
Adam Martinez not at 37..
Ginobili the best!!!
We all know that if manu didnt play for pop he would average 20 or more points per game.
Agreed. Its a win win for him
+DemonXY2J And I don't think that Ginobili regrets his decision today :)
Harden can't compete with manus passing, playmaking ability, and defense. The only thing harden is better at is shooting/scoring. But manu is a more valuable player and is a winner.
defense? sure. passing? debatable. But playmaking ability??? come on now be honest. In his entire career, Ginobli has never averaged more than 19 points and 5 assists a game. Numbers don't lie. You can't say that Ginobli is more valuable because the Spurs can definitely win games without him due to their well placed rotation and coaching. If you look at Houston (9-3) their offense is surely running through Harden and/or Howard. There is NO playmaker on that team besides Harden. Now i know you might be looking at this from a biased position and jumping on the "Let's hate on James Harden for inaccurate reasons" bandwagon but you CANNOT compare these two players because surely Harden at his prime now is better than Ginobli was.
Ismail Hakim Harden is very good at passing, he's creative and sees the floor really well. But Manu is a total genius. You can tell just by watching his between the legs, sick bullet passes, behind the back, behind the head etc. There are many videos here to prove that. Also Pop, when TP is on the bench, gives Manu the ball to create from p&r, wich is a beauty to watch.
Regarding that "prime" comparison..... I wouldn't hesitate to choose Manu over James. Let's see.... Harden is a better shooter, super clutch and confident. We also know about his penetration, footwork and sick ability to finish at the rim.
Gino probably not that good of a shooter, but very good. Tremendous finishing abilities in his prime (2005 playoffs imo), sick layups and even sometimes posterizing dunks. I'd say that, on offense, both are-were very explosive. Harden will always get more points and big scoring nights because he's the go to guy on his team and sometimes playing like 40 m. Instead of that, Manu shared his points with Tim and Tony for so long. He never averaged more than 19 and 5 because of the Spurs rotation system. He's played more than 30 minutes (season) just twice in his carrer. Even Pop said he "wrecked his career stats" benching him (with Tony and Tim) in the 4th to secure his health . We also know he became a sixth man pretty young, Pop's been using him to lead the bench for a long time.
In what concerns defense, there's no comparison. Manu is a tremendous competitor, who'd put his face in front of Shaq if neccesary to draw a charge or put his hand for a block. There are uncountable videos of him giving clutch blocks to Kobe, Melo, Lebron, Wade, KD, Garnett, etc. He also really competes on one on one defense cause he's very quick. We all know Harden is a BAD defender and gets loose on the floor.
No disrespect for Harden, I don't know what he may become. He's very good and still has a bright future, but I would pick Manu because he plays way harder than James even at 36/37, has guts and is a clutch performer and champion (don't forget he led his national team many times to many titles)
You lay out a very good argument. I guess at the end of the day we let our own biases choose whose better. Yes I am a Rockets fan so that's where my "Harden is better than Ginobli" argument comes from. Don't get me wrong I love Ginobli. He's great in everything he does and he has been for a long time but for the time being, I haven't seen anyone join a team and take it from 3 straight years with no playoff appearances to getting to the 8th spot first year, 4th spot 2nd year and hopefully 1st seed this year haha.
Ismail Hakim I'm a big Manu/Spurs fan, you know? Haha. I wish nothing but luck to the beard and his Rockets! They're doing pretty good.
You are comparing a legend with a quasi-star who has serious problems with defence and leadership. In talent wise they are close but mentally there are only few players on earth who can compete with Manu.
***** Finally, someone being rational. Agree with everything you said, people are downplaying James Hardens skill like hes nothing. Talent wise James is on the same level as Manu, but he has a lot to develop in terms of intangibles. Which he may, hes still pretty young after all. Plus im sure Pop had something to do with how manu turned out.
Onur Uraz both legends to their teams
Manu is Manu and there is no other like him!!!
When Manu was a free agent a few yrs ago he could've signed anywhere else for big $ and could have been a starter on any team.. But he stayed in SA. Says alot about him and shows he would put the TEAM first b4 himself.. Harden was quick to leave OKC.. I'll take an old Manu over a young Harden anyday.
Harden left because he wasn't being used to his full potential. He's now the star player of Rockets, but no one would call Manu the star player of Spurs, that goes to Duncan.
@@geronimo685 you wouldn't say that. Manu has a better winning percentage playing with Parker and Duncan, I dividually. He has lot of clutch shots more than the two. 50 best plays of the video highlight had manu making half of them, including sets plays. The only argument that a lot don't analyze is manu being a sixth man, but for so many times in spurs history, he was the best man.
Statistically harden MIGHT be better but Ginobili is my favorite player in the NBA because in playoff situations, it's hard to find somebody that I would want on my team more, than Manu Ginobili. Nobody is a bigger competitor than him
Had Manu Ginobili played as a starter in a big market like New York, Chicago or LA, he would've been the new poster boy for the global NBA.
for me.ginobilli is the best left hand player !(crazy movement)
agree
more stylish passing
Manu is Manu
Harden doesn't have the passing, defensive part yet at Ginobili's level, he got the scoring part without a question though.
Regarding the incredible plays I don't think nobody would ever beat Ginobili, weirdest plays and shit in general in a basketball court Ii have ever seen
Harden is a poor man's Ginobili...Ginobili in his prime is better in every aspect of the game, including team role playing. Manu could've easily done what Harden did, chased the money elsewhere and been a consistent starter. Instead, he understood his role and stuck with the Spurs as a 6th man and has had a tremendous career.
dude harden's an allstar
that's exactly what i think. harden's arrogance is so amplified that he actually thought westbrook and kd were holding him back, who are both far and away much better than harden could ever dream of being. they carried the load of okc on their shoulders while harden's one role was to just flop to the line sometimes and get some points up as a bench player. the way espn overhypes him sickens me
how is harden arrogant??how was he being held back. at the backend of games the coach gave him the ball and he would run the point while westbrook moved to off guard...have you not seen this????he wanted to stay in okc but they wouldn't offer an extra year and 15 mill so he was traded, perkins should've been traded but that's another story .harden westbrook and durant were all good friend's, westbrook and durant were clearly devastated that he was traded and made it public during interviews they should've given him an extension which btw are on youtube. i remember harden closing out san antonio in game five in 2012 in san antonio where in six straight plays he scored everytime they also won that series and went to the nba finals. go do your homework. i also remember him closing out dallas in the first round the games are on youtube. ginobli at hardens age 24 years averaged 8points a game you can google this fact if you like. ginobli is lucky he is playing with a coach who has recored 50 plus wins in 16 consecutive seasons. tim duncan(the greatest power forward to play the game) is there and so is parker. at the end of the day their roles for their teams are different. they play in different systems, when you look at that stats they don't lie. statistically harden has better numbers and is the best shooting guard in the nba as of right now...remembering the fact james harden is about 4 years from hitting his prime. ginobli at his best averaged 20 points in his best season. so you can't compare the both of them because of minutes played etc just stating one is better than other is not enough, also saying manu would be just as good on another team is silly even though he would be, you would never know because it will never happen....manu is at the backend of a stellar career, which is nearly over...
I'm double biased because Manu plays for the greatest franchise in sports history and Harden is a former AsSU player. Ginobili > Harden always and forever (sorry)
Bulls laker celtics were better more championships. It is what it is man
Manu at his prime. MIND. BLOWING.
When Manu was at the same age as Harden, he used Euro step for scoring, for highlight. But, James harden used Euro step for foul, for free throws.
There is no comparison because Manu is one of the top competitors on offense and defense. Ever heard of team player? That's Manu. Harden is nothing but a self-indulged good offensive player who can't even bring his team to the playoffs.
daviru02 thats totally bullshit....you can question his defense,but seriously, he never missed a playoff, and he always been a team player, he's leading in assist this year
#no D
daviru02 yes，but the rest of your statement is pure bs
You can't just compare a player who is 25 with one who is 37, Manu is a fucking legend. He is (or at least was) the best passer in the NBA, you can see Harden trying to imitate his passes between the opponent's legs.
Harden is basically Ginoboli with no defense.
Manu is much better.
This did not age well
this is why as a spurs fan i love james harden he reminds me so much of my favorite player of all time manu ginobili their game is identical
The only difference is that Ginobili had to play behind Duncan his entire career. Harden has the opportunity to be the number one option.
[James Hardens Agent] Excuse, me....excuse me James,....I would like to point out that when my client, Mr. James Harden...when my client compares himself to Manu Ginobili, as he did just now,...and I want this to be crystal clear, that my client is only speaking about the OFFENSIVE side of the ball.
Lmaoo 💀
I think they're both great players. Love watching them play. OKC vs SA is gonna be a blast to watch.
Check the resume's. Harden will never be Ginobili's level. Manu is one of the greatest!
trooperjoe73 never? Really? Never? I got news for you, individual skills harden and manu are on the same level. I got love for both of those guys but manu has surely benefited from playing under (in my opinion) the greatest couch ever, and with the greatest PF ever. Obviously Harden doesnt have the rings but if you think his talent isnt right up there then youre not really looking
ShietEverywhere i got news for you, manu has more iq for playing, always had, before nba he was mvp, the only things that limited his play were injuries, he is the most competitive player
ShietEverywhere i got news for you, manu has more iq for playing, always had, before nba he was mvp, the only things that limited his play were injuries, he is the most competitive player
martinsapo02 lmao you cant preface a comment with "I got news for you" then state an arbitrary/intangible afterward. My point was actually definitive in terms of their ability...yours is completely subjective because I could easily make the argument James Harden IQ is just as stellar by the way he gets to the free throw line. with his 27 points a game he's also handing out 6 assists...clearly he can read the defense and as for your MVP nonsense...Euroleague MVP isnt an NBA MVP. And im pretty sure manu was never even a contender...you know who is? All at 25 years of age...hes only gonna get better.
martinsapo02
See I hate when people like you respond like that because it makes me look like im discrediting manu's achievements when really hes one of my favourite players.
Manu: team leader, humbleness and creativity at its most in NBA
Harden is an interesting player, but is not a Manu Ginobili, he is unique
Hardenn simply admires ginobili, ! I wish he will become great like manu.
Manu is a beast, Hardin is a beast in training.
Manu can play D and Harden can't
Harden can now.
Ahmad Ghonym not at the same level
Ahmad Ghonym manu played great D against beast like kobe, iverson, melo and garnette, dont let harden do the same or u ll have a bad day.
They are very similar in every way when it comes to offence. That includes speed, quickness, and jumping ability. The difference is Ginobili is a way better passer and a way better defender. Please do your research before making ignorant comments.
Ginobili is indeed a far better defender..... but passer... not so much..... they're different kinds of passers.... harden is an interior passer ginobili is drive and kick...... you could argue manu is indeed a better passer....... but he is certainly not far better... james is a fantastic player.....why don't you do your research before YOU make ignorant comments
@@MisterPaulmd please watch assists highlights of manu, and you might change your mind rightaway
please don't disrespect Manu with comparing him to a nobody.
Being in the MVP race isn't being a nobody...
***** nigga you responding to me super ass late. gtfo lmao
being in the MVP race isn't being a nobody...
2 years later this same comment applies.
Harden is about to surpass him if he gets past the warriors this year, more stacked than any team Manu beat
VenGxJon soooo is harden still a nobody? Lol on his way to b2b mvps, u know shit about basketball fo sho
manu is better in eurosteps and big time shots, harden is better in drawing fouls and FT pct. and we're only talking about OFFENCE right? lol
So far , manu is a better player
Reason: He knows how to contribute his team
He is hard working, he knows how to play a game
James Harden is a good player, but no defense, and less basketball talent, and always clubbing
Can't compare the legendary " El Manu" to someone like the overated James "the Beard" Harden
Never really thought a lot about this comparison. I don't know how; it seems obvious now. Thanks for this compilation!
1:00 Ginobili did him dirty, that man could sell water to a whale
***** I'm a lefty like he is and now I feel like doing that to everybody I play from now on.
comparing Manu to harden is an insult to Manu
This comparison is an insult at Manu. Harden is nowhere even slightly close to the level of Ginobili. Ginobili is a proven winner at every stage of basketball and an all time greatest. Harden is just a reasonable good player. He has not won anything and will not win any. The fact that harden became a mvp candidate just showed how bad the NBA game is being played now.
One is a winner.
The other is a stat-machine.
by various sources you mean one of my videos 'mike breen and jvg prasing ginobili'?
not bothered at all, you put up a great vid
Ginobilli is much better, what a vision of a ball playing. harden never will do those passes and assists like Manu... maybe and only penetrating to the rim they have some similarity, and the way they shoot the triple
Manu is a way better passer and defender compare to Har_en
i see what u did there
One wins championships.
The other throws playoff games.
that was actually a really cool video good editing, hmmm both great players but i'd give the edge to ginobili he's a way better passer and i think he'd be more clutch in late game situations
Manu is much better than Harden. He plays smart.
Se puede ver claramente que James sigue siendo un buen alumno de Manu, no creo que supere al maestro.
cant wait for this series to start
Never realized how similar these two are... They're both starters coming off the bench too.
The biggest difference is that Manu can play defense.
Did I just hear?!: the most exciting european player? ......Last time I checked, he was from Argentina.
Most Argentinians are European descent, so it's quite right.
Most US citizens are British descent, and that does not make you British.
Gran video, que final de conferencia que se viene!
For those misunderstanding why Magic Johnson called Manu Ginobilli a European player: Born & raised in Argentina of Argentinian & Italian parents, Ginobilli's early career saw him playing for the hometown team, however because football (soccer) & not basketball is the major sport played in Argentina or maybe because he knew there was money to be made (I don't know this for a fact, I'm speculating) the talented Ginobilli took his game to the Euroleague playing professionally for Italy & establishing himself & perfecting his signature Euro-step. Playing ball in Argentina to playing ball in Italy is like playing ball in high school & then going off to college, no one remembers your playing days in high school unless they went to the same high school, as such the sport of basketball is more recognizable in Italy than Argentina. Ginobilli established himself in the Euroleague & that's why Johnson called him a European player. He also plays for the Argentinian National Team when the Spurs organization allows him too.
Without Ginobili they don't win in 03, 05, 07. But without Duncan and Parker the same could be said. Having said that he got robbed of the 05 MVP. They should rescind that M
Manu 4 NBA rings --- Hardennnnnnnn????????
Manu Gold medal in Olympic game with Argentina-- Herdennnnnn???
Manu silver medal in World Basketball Champion 2002 --- Hardennn????
Manu 2005, 2011, All.Star game ---- Hardennn????????
Manu 2008, NBA Sixth Man of the Year Award --- Hardennnnn???
Manu MVP JJOO 2004 --- Hardennnn?????
and Manu...........and Manu.........and Manu.
Who is Harden?????????????
I guess Idve never come to this idea... great work! Really great moves!
Never thought about this.. But now that I think about it, they are very similar players.
The BIG difference is that Manu has 5 :)
Um Manu doesn't have five rings...
Erratum: Four. Happy now?
Bankai2169 you're right. 4 rings and 1 OLYMPIC GOLD METAL that he took from team USA.
jpap967 Yes he does. Were you making a point or something?
***** I grew up in San Antonio and have been following the Spurs since the late 1980s. Manu has four rings...he may have been drafted in 1999 but he wasn't on their roster in the 1999 season. Manu was allowed to continue playing in Europe until 2002.
1.16- "the most exciting european player", but he is from Argentina.Yap, Europe Argentina same thing. lol
He is ethnically Italian, which is european
1:15 Magic says that he's the most exciting European player he's seen, while Manu is from Argentina
Ginobili is better
Ginnobil is better
Ginobili= Made in Argentina
If Manu had the chance to lead a team, like how he lead the Argentine team for a decade winning olympic and world championships, he would have averaged closed to what Kobe does while being double efficient. His only weakness was his endurance which was due to his all-out playstyle which was needed by the Spurs. He would have learnt to pace himself better like Kobe had he been the main superstar of his team.
1:16 The most exciting European player he has seen? Manu's from Argentina lol
NO ONE COMPARES TO GINOBILI NO ONE GO SPURS GO
Manu's defense and attitude are bigger than fucking beard
I love how all the teams making a Run for title are looking like the SPURS!
If James Harden stayed in OKC, he had the chance to have Ginobili's career. Multiple rings, but not as gaudy stats. If Manu Ginobili left San Antonio years ago, he probably would have had James Harden's career, great stats, but probably no rings. Harden's young though, but the Rockets aren't going far for a while.
Its funny....both f up for their teams during the finals against the Heat! lol!
Who is harden
good comparison. and both are good at making plays and passes too
I think they're two of the most alike players in the nba both left handed, both have this sneaky way of getting to the rim, long steps, good passers, great closers..........
Manu Ginobili > James Harden
Why do I say that? Because 4 rings beats 0.
same style but different understanding of basketball
The video is comparing their individuals games which are very similar. Championships and medals are team accomplishments. They both like the Eurostep, both like to split pick and rolls, both are left handed, both like to Shamgod, both are "sneaky athletic," both like to change of pace, etc. that is what this video is about.
Both chronic floppers, although I don't think I've ever seen a drive by Harden that wasn't a flop.
MANU WINS EASILY !!
If Ginobili played for any other team in his prime he would have averaged 25 points 8 assists, maybe more...but I guarantee u he wouldn't have 4 championships. Harden will never get just 1.
thats what i've always said manu could've had a top 10 sg individual career if he played with any other team since in san antonio his whole career he came off the bench for someone he was better than but would most likely not have 4 champions maybe 1 or 2
OMG Ginobili's moves are much more inspiring and elegant. Perfectly fits the definition of dancing.
As evidenced by the video the comparisons end at the offensive end. Manu was always the more complete player of the two because he was also a good defender, always bothering the opposition, for years the best stealer of the team, and capable of some impressive blocks on the best players. And of course who could forget his ability to draw offensive fouls.
James Harden has NO defense,that's totally a joke for SG superstar.
future my ass...
sure im for manu but harden also a great player, copy (cough) cat
Bottom line is overall so far counting harden in houston ginobili is a much better player overall
harden is a great scorer and nba star right now,no question, Manu is a legend in europe and nba, a hall of fame, Jersey retired player, one of the best ever
Harden is not even close to Ginobili in terms of passing and handling skills and big time moments. Not to mention defense.
harden is a scorer, ginobili played for pop
Muy buena reacción, pero faltaron , las tapas de ginobili, las entradas que hacia donde le cobraban fata avanzando hacia atrás y converti igual
i love manu and harden, its a compliment for both that they are compared to each other, its a shame that manu couldnt get to the nba sooner, probably his prime era would have lasted a lot more, i think he is a better passer (all time top 10 at least) and more unselfish team player, but harden its becoming a huge scorer and all around player, so at least to me there is no reason to compare and say whos better or worst lets enjoy both as beautiful performers of the game of basketball :)
AM i ALone on this but I THINK JAMES HARDEN TRAVELS EVERY PLAY!!!!!! EVERY PLAY!!! 3 - 4 STEPS!!! WTF!!