Penuel The Black Pen In Conversation with Mmusi Maimane, BOSA, DA, Elections, BRICS, Action SA, SADC
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- THE PENUEL SHOW WITH MMUSI MAIMANE
00:00 - INTRO
00:25 - Show begins
01:05 - Build One South Africa (BOSA)
03:03 - Why did you leave the DA
10:13 - Working under the DA
11:21 - Do you believe the DA is a racist party
14:55 - Do you think you're a failed DA experiment
18:55 - Do you think the DA is a great governing party
20:10 - How powerful is Helen Zille
24:25 - What happened between you & Herman Mashaba
26:40 - Migration & border control
29:42 - Where exactly is the issue with you & Mashaba
31:50 - What are your thoughts on smaller parties
33:50 - "Let's modernise" your selling point for BOSA
38:13 - Reforming systems & government structures
42:18 - Human development programs
45:22 - Elon Musk & African leaders
46:50 - Have you identified future based parties/leaders
51:17 - Do you believe in democracy
56:13 - How are you
59:03 - Closing comments
1:06:44 - ENDS
Time stamps created by Khwezi Ndlovu.
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Mr Mmusi truly has humanity in his heart.
I never heard of this Party, why? I will look closely now. Thank you for helping me find BOSA!👏🇿🇦
It is a new party.
I am a white South African with black husband.
Mmusi you have my vote.
You are ahead of your time.
I hope that does not go against you.
We need a South Africa for all.
The only young 🌱 South African leader making lots of sense so far, you have my vote Sir
Mmusi and Chris Papas
Mr. Mamaine didn't want to directly say that the DA is racist, he sugar coated it
No it's not racist but it works very hard..
DA Is RACIST AND IS WORKING VERY HARD FOR WHITES
😅😅😅 exactly
South Africans we can not claim that we don’t have political options!cause hier is a man who really cares and has great vision for our country!!,Mmusi is competent and is a proven great leader cause we have seen him work!!!he only needs 2 million votes and I feel strongly that we should give them to him!!!
ABSOLUTELY
As a white person i agree 100% because then it wouldnt matter if i was a white person Mmusi is exactly what we need to fix the racial rubbish in our beautiful country
Musi is married to a white chick..he can never be trusted..never trust a African man who couldn't commit to a African women...
Mmusi, good luck with BOSA. I have great respect and admiration for you.
I'm done with ANC EFF and DA politics...So I'm willing to be persuaded by these new parties...I like what I'm hearing.
THATS MY PRESIDENT!
Mmusi Maimane is a top shelf gentleman and a patriotic South African.
I'd love to see him leading, particularly as Minister of Education... that would be dope 🔥🔥🔥
That's what i'm saying, he would undoubtedly do amazing lapho, kodwa masikhuluma nge presidency...no personally i'm not too sure.
That's why he will never be president of this country....he belive that the if the whole of this African continent comes here they mustn't deported...mxm will never vote this Stupid bosa thing 😂
They all look good on paper
They don't all look good on paper but Mmusi is a statesman in my view. He will definitely have my vote in 2024.
We exist as Software and Data Engineers, no one gives a sh* t in Government!
How blessed are we to have this man fighting to fix the mess we're in. He can only succeed if we vote for BOSA. Get behind a man who is real.
Will you vote for him?
I thought so.
i will @@tshepo4612
@@tshepo4612I believe he is saying he will vote for BOSA. Why would you question that and then respond with a shit statement like “I thought so”… you’re pushing the race agenda more than any white person with that attitude. I would never vote for BOSA but seems like the user that posted this will and plans on it.
❤super blessed iam sold to this vision...
To put it simply, Mmusi's answer was 'yes the DA is racist'
No, you can't say the whole organisation is racist
33:53 -38-16 Futurism is an interesting 'IDENTITY', however it may be; the old will stay stronger; people are, they have been hungry and they do not only demand recognition, but service. You need to recognize the old "in order to groom the 'new' or 'current' otherwise you will fail in your endeavors" else, the 'new' will develop the undeniably contempt or resentment towards you; they love their people, it's like free fall. To do this, I claim; there is always the way; yet, just as the former statement says! nonetheless, there should be either a way, or undeniably failure......It's good to think; it is "effective" to do.
@@Azishe-py4nq Lay off the bongs, bro🙏
But he is afraid to answer a simple "yes, it is a racist party"
Yes
I like what he said: this government is still trying to solve my parents problems, what about our kids and grandkids.
I am 74 years old and see myself as a South African first . I agree with Mmusi Maimane when he speaks about the future.
Yeah coz you still want to keep stolen land..your European mate don't get it twisted...
We need Malema in power not someone in bed with Caucasians.
@PanAfrikkkanism So after all the 1hr:06min, the ideas being shared by Mmusi you chose to focus on his marriage? Really though
@@PanAfrikkkanismEven if you not referring to his marriage per say, what are you thoughts on what he has shared throughout that podcast? That's what we should be discussion here.
What’s more encouraging is that in a vast majority of his speeches you hear him mention the youth, and he actually acknowledges the fact that some of them are unemployed and most are just unemployable due to their lack skills all because of our education system
I need Mmusi and BOSA to be more visible. The challenge with "forgetting" that there is a visionary like Mmusi is that we see him/ the party once an eclipse. Play in the social media space, road shows, television, and radio, and let South Africans feel your energy and make our lives more difficult to cast a vote (which is a good thing).
Seeing Mmusi in a different light 🕯️
Really enjoying this chat.
Thank you 🙏🏾
You need to see gym in a different light and make a come back as well bro
@@kagisophiri9291Uyaphapha KG 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'm training in Randburg...but I'll come visit.
he sounds different, he talks different. I'm suspicious 🤔
Mmusi please can BOSA get your 2milj. I would love you to see u succeed. I would vote for you.
BOSA has my vote for the national elections come 2024!
These are some reasons why DA is worth a vote while BOSA isn't.
1. Between 2019 and 2021, nearly 30K housing opportunities were made in DA run-Western Cape. Imagine how much would've been made since 2009?
2. Since 2009, around 500K jobs were made in the province making it have the lowest unemployment rate in South Africa.
3. Just today, the DA revealed that they are adding an additional 5 GW to the province's electricity over the next years. This is with the intent of ending load shedding in this province.
4. While Cele is politicizing crime, in August 2022, 1100 LEAP officers were deployed across the province of WC. These officers were trained too. And the recent SAPS statistics indicate rape decreased by 10.2% year-on-year while murder decreased 7% year-on-year.
5. The uMngeni Municipality in KZN paid off R10.4 million within 11 months of DA governance. And plus, township residents were given solar panels and money for the homes and businesses.
6. In 2019, the DA government was on the brink of day zero in the City of Cape Town. With hard work, they even avoided it. So, if our country was heading towards a crisis, the DA is a solution.
7. In August 2022, the Social Research Foundation concluded the DA is the most diverse party in SA. It is estimated that 32% of voters are Black, 31% are Coloured, 30% are White and 14% are Indian. They truly represent all South Africans' views.
Imagine if we combined all of this and put it at the national level
@@NabeelMohamed497LOL 😂
I appreciate the way you engage your guests. Asking questions like 'How are you?' and 'How is family?' allows the guest to open up and it helps us the audience see the guest in a different light and relate to them.
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Bongani Baloyi
"Verwoerd would proud of what the country has achieved pertaining to Education" this is deep and true
Great conversation Team. When we ask you Penuel to step back & allow your guest to dish out everything, this is what we were asking for.
You facilitated the conversation with ease, Mmusi was comfortable to express himself. Hell, this is what I signed up for. I'm glad we are winning. Thank you so much.
You have my vote .and I know there are many many people, across the country, who will vote for you.❤
@@mariepillai6157 People assume we offer criticism because we are haters. Contrary to that, we enjoy this platform since it has great knowledge & has got the capacity to build a nation.
He really held it nicely... Kudos to you Pen.
He's doing well. I decided to contribute few cents based on this interview.
The Penuel Show is not your typical podcast, he always put a disclaimer before his interactions, this is not traditional media where everyone is got to act a certain way and we appreciate his views again Penuel does not do interviews its an interactions. I don't know what you guys want of the guy and I hope he does not change his style just to suite a few and become one of the typical podcasters
when mmusi Maimane talks I just want to vote and pay my taxes
This was a great interaction. Ill be on the look out for Bra Musi, He is a Visionary. I want to see a better efficient and effective SA. This is my Country after all.
Maimane I listen to you speak to me you are the man for the youths of the future. I will definitely want my grandchildren to vote for you. Thank God for a incredible man like you. Intelligent and smart
Mmusi is undoubtedly an ideal candidate for the position of South African president. He effectively communicates with both the average South African and the diverse population, bridging the gap between different racial groups. Personally, his presence in the DA was a major factor in convincing me to support the party.
Uuuu
Ei my brother, this man was very much convincing when he was with the DA. Is a good thing they kicked him out so that we know he has no hidden agendas just like where he comes from
BS
I also voted DA because of him and I was not gonna vote for it because he left 😂
He is a good leader, we need to give him chance.
Having to beg someone to do something with you and then seeing them do it with others willingly is a different kind of heartbreak. I understand why Mmusi had to leave DA.
I'm.sold I'm voting for this party
Hate him or love him, his a Complete Thinker , his brain , Love this Man ,and yes he is our hope his one of the most influential figures we have in SA , reminds me of Vusi Thembewayo , Thank you Penwel for this .🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
As an American I thank you for these conversations. Everyone from Rutendo to Maimane really helps give a good perspective on a wide variety of things when trying to learn about South Africa. Mmusi is one of the people in South African politics that I find the most interesting.
Lol Rutendo 😅😅😅😅😅
Wow! I’m happy or should I say proud of how u chose to follow South Africa, I’m a South African and also follow those guys too. They have interesting views
We know you're a sellout. It was proven in the books and you can't change it. We have juju the one with a African vision
Penuel, your exceptional quality in conducting interviews continues to impress me. I believe that all presidential candidates should have the opportunity to be interviewed by you. You have become our trusted source, much like FOX news, to provide us with valuable insights and help us make better-informed choices when voting for our leaders.
No cap.
I am voting Bosa 2024.
Mmusi is a forward thinking brilliant chap.
Mmusi Maimane, particularly as someone from a corporate background, brings a refreshing perspective to South African politics. His past success within the DA demonstrated his potential to elevate the party to new heights. However, it is evident that the internal politics of the DA did not align with his vision. Now, Mmusi must campaign tirelessly to secure a prominent position, potentially even the presidency. South Africa is in desperate need of competent and visionary leaders, and Mmusi has the potential to be one of them.
i absolutely agree👌👌
Above all else Mr Maimane has a heart for people and this wonderful country of ours. I met him a few times and truly he is colour blind.
Yeah , that's why he supports BEE.
My people perish due to a lack of vision, but here stands a man who possesses a clear vision. Onward, onward! Mr. Mmusi Maimane, go forth!
SA 2.0...Pen this is the president we need!!!
Mmusi, I am 32 years old and never voted in my life but I really want to vote for BOSA, but I want to get involved. How to go about that?
stay virgin boycott vote or u wl b sorry
Which part of the country are u so that u link up with a representative in ur area...online bosa website... Hope u link up
Every episode begins with "are you guys rolling?" 😂
And its annoying and predictable 🤦🏻♀️
@@KazieD who cares?, its his show, you guys like to project your world views upon others, I would say its you who is annoying.
Thought provoking for a granny of 66yrs who is always worried about my grand children's future beyond 2030 and our country and society then this man is a jewel for the future of SA a visionary I just feel he is not occupying the bigger space that he should be in the media to spread the vision to the degenerating township youth I promise to share his views with people my age who share the same views as myself thank you for this podcast
I really wish Mmusi would concentrate on winning the Western Cape cause I truly believe he would win it and he would be the best leader for that province one that would be able to take care of everyone in that province!!!he would have my vote for the western cape 100%
a much better leader than Gayton or DA
😂😂 the Western Cape is the last province that needs help, go travel a bit and you will see the disgusting, filthy, failed towns and provinces run by the ANC! Never mind all the national enterties like policing, trains etc. No one gets service under the ANC!
@@Mrtdogg101 way better leader then those two!!!
Penuel I think you should have Gayton and Mmusi together on your show. I think if Gayton and Mmusi can bring their ideas together, they would bring change to this country
Their political idealogy is too different. Especially on topics like emigration and policing
@@iBairthat doesn't mean they can't reach a common ground ..
The foundation of their respective ideaologies does not differ that far from one another
@@jeremyvanbriesies1940 I must agree, they are the two parties which most appeal personally. They both have a strong view on policing and be th want to improve the country through community participation.
I just think they will disagree on the "how" on a few issues
Happy Monday!!! Honoured to have sat with Mr Mmusi Maimane... hope you'll enjoy it. Leader of Build One South Africa (BOSA).
Thank you to our paying members ❤
Solid chat with Mmusi... very educational.
And Thank you to non paying members 😜
@@pensonmlotshwa Danko danko!!
Thank you Black Pen, always looking forward to your podcasts, you've got a wealth of knowledge. Thank you
The Panuel Show is a breath of Fresh , thanks for the Content Mr Panuel. Would you consider bringing Bongani Baloyi to your show aswell
Mmusi
What a Gentleman. All the best in next year elections
Moruti did best by leaving the DA. I resonate every single time I listen to him. I might go BOSA nationally
This is probably the most informative podcast if not the best ....what an intelligent host
He's a great leader...I personally like him but I also think he's too diplomatic and today's youth are so tired of that
They need a radical voice and change
nice to listen to the insights of this man and also his vision ... a vision we all should have
After watching this interview.....I will no longer view DA as I used....DA is not for all South Africans is for minority .....starting from now on I'm an official EFF follower......phakama Africa✊
So you jump from one party who isnt for everyone to another party who isnt for everyone?😮
. It's a free world by the way
You can’t be communist man. The EFF aren’t the best option. You will never prosper under communism.
@@sds2954jumping from one supposedly minority to another definite minority
The conversation about immigration is the most intelligent I've heard so far on your podcasts. Please send it to Gayton Mckenzie and Herman Mashaba.
Im sorry you experienced the exclusion and got kicked out of the DA by them making your life hard instead of reasoning together. I am one of those people you spoke about, who didnt vote for DA in 2019, I voted the ZACP and voted FF+, Im a Christian and the fundamental moral beliefs of the DA was being degraded I believe. I would vote for any party that gets the job done, why I choose to vote VF+. I want a working, fair, no curruption, strict fair legal system and safer South Africa for everyone, why i voted ZACP. I see a spirit that will destory this nation making it about racial systems and not indiviuals instead of doing the hard work of running the country, I will fight racism where I see it, but crictical race theory will destroy the country and not fix it. Apartheid was evil, let us not forget where we come from otherwise we are doomed to repeat it, you may become the thing you hate. The Major reason I didnt vote DA is becaue of the Woke beliefs of Mmusi Maimane. I wish it was different, if it wasnt for that, I would fight with you and vote for you as president or your own party, you are a good leader, but I dont think you are the one that will bring South Africans together. If only we could hold to a vision in the future of what matters most is a person character, rahter than their skin or culture but instead of that we have a vision of fixing the past, the past is so importent, but you cannot plow a field while looking back, you will desotry your field. But if a party could put a vision forward, we all can asipre to that vision it will bring us together.
This gentleman is an honest individual despite coming from DA,he is pure Original thinks about people. This man can change lots of things if he can be a President
😢the audacity to rise above all the abuse in the DA makes u a super human ❤ you are real...
I hope that Black individuals within the DA, who will be campaigning for the party, get a chance to listen to these interviews before they embark on their canvassing efforts next year. Black child stay in your lane you not wanted but will be used
They don't really see even if they are told while they are still in there😢🤷‼️ They will wait until they are in Maimane's shoes to realize that zebras 🦓🦓🦓 will never change their spots🤷
They know 'they decided to code switch to benefit their own pockets and theirfamilies. Musi benefited and left when he was full, they will do the same . I am also voting DA because ANC cares for certain individuals. I will just code switch and do my job given to do and get paid proper income. I just want a blue t shirt and bring votes for DA.
The irony of telling black people to 'stay in their lane' is probably why they are there in the first place.
Black people are not a monolith, it's illogical to think they all think and feel the same way
OK, racist.
Great discussion for some of us who are yet to decide where to cast our vote.
Your podcast is getting exponentially better. We are lucky to have you Pen!
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So informative, I’m enjoying his content.
Great interview. Would love to know who funds BOSA, and what interests they serve.
Great question. 👍 All parties should declare how they are funded because then and only then will we know who's interest they serve.
Wow love the human in you, was really touched when you asked how Musi is feeling , how is his family ..woooooooooooow!
Bosa needs to make their voice heard even more! More visibility please.
Maimane deserves to be in EFF
Truth
Pen you should interview the ex-chairperson for COPE,Dennis Bloem,he left the party one week ago due to the injustices happening in the party
I agree with Mmusi. We need young people. But HONEST young people. These older folks must go
This guy is honest, smart and tech savvy. Woow im amazed.
Amazing speechless what a leader
My vote goes here. Family orientated folk and visionary.
These are some reasons why DA is worth a vote while BOSA isn't.
1. Between 2019 and 2021, nearly 30K housing opportunities were made in DA run-Western Cape. Imagine how much would've been made since 2009?
2. Since 2009, around 500K jobs were made in the province making it have the lowest unemployment rate in South Africa.
3. Just today, the DA revealed that they are adding an additional 5 GW to the province's electricity over the next years. This is with the intent of ending load shedding in this province.
4. While Cele is politicizing crime, in August 2022, 1100 LEAP officers were deployed across the province of WC. These officers were trained too. And the recent SAPS statistics indicate rape decreased by 10.2% year-on-year while murder decreased 7% year-on-year.
5. The uMngeni Municipality in KZN paid off R10.4 million within 11 months of DA governance. And plus, township residents were given solar panels and money for the homes and businesses.
6. In 2019, the DA government was on the brink of day zero in the City of Cape Town. With hard work, they even avoided it. So, if our country was heading towards a crisis, the DA is a solution.
7. In August 2022, the Social Research Foundation concluded the DA is the most diverse party in SA. It is estimated that 32% of voters are Black, 31% are Coloured, 30% are White and 14% are Indian. They truly represent all South Africans' views.
Imagine if we combined all of this and put it at the national level
Bosa gets my vote
Man go on more Podcasts
Your the only guy who has talked about solutions
Mmusi Maimane is a vital figure in South Africa and his presence is needed now more than ever. To effectively reach a wide audience, I strongly advocate for him to leverage the power of podcasts as a campaigning platform. By focusing on what he truly stands for and articulating his vision for a better South Africa, Mmusi can inspire change and propel our nation forward. It is through his genuine commitment to progress and his strategic communication that we can truly see a transformed South Africa.
If Mr Maimane believes in the free market and believes in giving us the chance to build the economy instead of trying to do it himself. He's got my vote!
Maimane believes that BEE is a good thing. That's not free market.
Keep your vote
@@ashleymccoast8758You support the BEE? What has it actually done? Look at the DA's work. That is way better than the new BOSA.
@@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub Well that's unfortunate
@@NabeelMohamed497 I mean BOSA is new, and they at least go out into the real world and try to touch youth. Just some policies need to be looked at
Just look the.... Yerr. PENUEL is Quality over Quantity. My guy you have my full support. On 31st of December you'll be on 500K subscribers mark my words. By March 2024 you'll be one million. I bless you man. We enjoyed the episode with mom's. One love chief.❤
Amen
Mmusi sounds like Nelson Mandela and his intelligence reminds me of Vusi. Great conversation by the way
I do wish for Musi, Duduzani, Sandile and the likes to work towards having a single party so as to avoid splitting votes thus leaving the big parties still with votes still putting them in more seats in parliament.
Mmusi just won my vote. Finally a leader with a clear vision of the future. Does not play race politics' understands the real issues that are holding back economic progress. Hones in on education and ensuring quality education. He is a breath of fresh air
Western Cape please Vote for BOSA!!,Mmusi is your guy he is the best thing that can happen to that province!!
Did you listen to his stance on illegal immigration? The Western cape should vote for ActionSA, it puts SA citizens first.
How many good people has he got around him to get the job done? It's not a one-man show... makes me wonder...
@@KazieD isn't he against illegal immigration
@@tebogo743 he's contradicting himself, one hand he says he's against it and on the other he says those that are here illegal should be naturalised or legalised. What nonsense is that?? Which function society does that, never mind that we are a developing nation with limited resources. As it is we are facing the highest unemployment we've ever seen. So I am really struggling to take this guy seriously.
@@KazieDbut we live with Europeans who were also naturalised they even have a part in our anthem so why should we hate our fellow Africans? Nonsense
You have my vote Mmusi.
This was such a wholesome conversation! 🤯 I'm starting to realize how powerful the media and news are in creating terrible archetypes of the most influential people. It seems like the options and views I've had about some people I've been spoon-fed by people with I'll intentions. This interview and many others on The Penuel Show are challenging me to unlearn and dismantle certain ideologies I've held on to for at least a decade.
As always, dankie Bhut' Penuel for the content. And all the best to Mr Maimane on his campaign 👏
We just need to stop, breathe, think...Think some more...Then decide. So often, particularlt on the bigger networks, a narrative is repeated, literally verbatim too...and folks take it as new....My take on the current world is simply, question everything.
"We've got to restore our sense of self " powerful... Thanks for this interview.
2024 Election is Old VS New 👏 well said
Im not a fan of this guy but i respect how he is always sure about his story.
Agreed 👍
There's a weakness in him as smart as he is
I like his Visionary mentality.
Can we get Deputy Pres of EFF please
Bosa !! Won my heart, niw that I know about it, Amma look it up... Dankie 🙌
This man embodied my views and feelings about almost everything taking place in South Africa and the direction this country needs to take. I am sold
Me too kgomotso. And we as young people we need a political party that talk and meet young people needs
Keep pushing my brother u might be next in line in 2029 u got what it takes to run the country 🇿🇦🇿🇦😝😝
Well I now know who I'm voting for next year after watching this. Finally, a politician who I can actually get behind instead of holding my nose and "voting tactically". I wish BOSA all the success that they deserve...
Former leader of the opposition!! Penuel you've out done yourself! Thanks for bringing musi!
This guy is brilliant! I love him😢
you can clearly hear he was an EFF by heart from before leaving the DA and even now but his pride wont allow him to join even admit that the policies in the EFF are the ame as his ideologies
Great interview!!! Penuel we are still waiting for you to interview the only political party that stands a chance to change South Africa: The EFF. (I'm not an EFF supporter by the way)
What an amazing man!
South Africans are blessed with such visionaries
He's scared of saying DA is racist!
A coconut can never say those words. Once he married a white woman he can't call any white person racist
Why do you think that a party with 2/3 non-white support is racist ?
No i dont agree
He give political answer by saying it’s
It's called politics
I luv this interview,you have to invite Him again. Great visionary we need people like him. I wish he can combine forces with EFF. Thanks
Your right because the EFF needs still has alot to learn, maybe they can be educated by Musi.
I'm voting for Mmusi.
I like what he said
"The one party goes to work at steal money. The other party to goes to work to NOT steal money."
Great progressive politician
This Deserved at least 2 Hours in all Honesty
If DA doesn’t change their stance, there is no way anytime soon they’ll rule in this country
What an amazing eye opening convo. Ntate Maimane is definitely one of the vessels needed if we want to see and experience a positive outlook of this beloved country of ours.
I agree with Mmusi the mass deportation is really impossible. And I want to see to South Africa liberating the continent. The mass deportation will cause much tension in this continent. But if we can enforce our laws those people will really plead to be taken back home. If there can't find jobs and other stuff.
I agree 100% with you Mgazi
Th code-switching is giving Vusi Thembakwayo🤣😂😂😂
At least he's trying and understands the importance of being relatable.
Fair point@@KazieD
Ey man, Mmusi gets it. I really like his way of thinking.
Wise words......he just needs to define "black south Africans" clearly.
Mmusi speaks fluent South African English 👌
Really encouraging and as young as i am, i really believe in BOSA, the improvement he has.
#BOSA2024