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A Professor of Psychology at the University of Toronto, Peterson has received considerable media coverage after publishing a series of videos criticising the Canadian government's move to enact Bill C-16, which made misgendering a form of hate speech. His recent bestselling book, 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos topped the Washington Post, WSJ and Reuters U.S bestsellers lists
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This is what we used to expect when we went to a university.
That hurts to think about.
czcams.com/users/results?search_query=debunking+peterson
@@Richard_is_cool Most of the results returned by your search terms focus on dismissing the messenger instead of inspecting the ideas he's put forth. Is JP wrong about some things? Yes of course. But that does not mean you can simply dismiss en masse the huge amount of work and insight he has offered.
@@tux1968 The videos mostly hold that he is not acting in good faith.
@@Richard_is_cool That's the classic way to dismiss a messenger espousing views you find objectionable. Ideas are ideas regardless of who puts them forward. If Hitler was the one to discover and say that the Sun is the center of our solar system, it would still be true even though he was an evil bastard.
For what it's worth, i am acting in good faith, and have learned many interesting ideas from JP. Even if he is an evil man, (which I don't think he is), his ideas are well worth inspecting for yourself.
A Peterson a day keeps the lunatics at bay.
Except that one lunatic at the front who stood up ahahahahaha
@Xeccelerator don't confuse the alt right to his actual fans ,everyshit head and comment hear.
Xeccelerator says a no nothing twat.
It's a shame you don't understand what he is talking about then. Otherwise you wouldn't have said it in that way.
Maybe you're just a right wing sheep looking for a sophist to follow and throw up a comment thinking he agrees with your bigoted ideals.
Paterson is less of a sophist than any right wing thinker I've seen.
But keep saying what you say. As he said, we have to see it to reject it. Which ultimately makes you the cancer in the right wing party that must be removed from society.
Xeccelerator i pity you. Why are you so bitter? I hope you find the courage to reevaluate your own biases
Part 1: Hierarchy and its political significance
Introduction 0:55
1. Value 1:52
2. Hierarchy 4:57
3. Inequality 6:03
4. Politics 6:46
Personality 8:24
Necessity of both 9:41
Summary 10:22
Part 2: Questions
Q#1: Rejecting Political correctness 11:47
Q#2: Truth and Post-Modernism 18:59
Q#3: The source of meaning 28:43
Q#4: limitless questioning 39:06
Q#5 43:07
Q#6 51:47
Q#7 1:04:38
Q#8 1:09:13
Thank you for putting this together.
values = hierarchy = inequality (giving rise to power), power that then 'manufactures itself upon the sole [value] of preserving itself,' this is done by insuring tribal difference based upon colour, sex. Jordan's argument essentially suggests, those who are invested in the value of preserving power will do so on the basis of ensuring tribal divides, tribal divides based on colour, creed, sex. Thus, those of power will usually be of one creed, one colour, one sex,
God bless you
“Conceptual dispute is the substitute for war and death.”
What a magnificent articulation! A great discussion!
It was and always will be, basically all war is begin when the conceptual dispute doesn't come to a point respected by all parties involved. This is something people keep underplay, like saying they hate people who talk too much or the phrase no action talk only, which undermine the importance of talking which is the basis of thinking. Action when not going through rigorous process of thinking will always be dangerous, but the world keep on forget it like they forget what they ate last week.
AKA diplomacy. Not a new concept! Next, JP will be saying, "If only the Israelis and Palestinians would talk". 🤦♂
Shame it's jibberish though. when he uses the word conceptual he is admitting that he needs obfuscation to hide the lack of content in what he is saying.
@@nickbullock9779 Exactly - he's stunningly good at using jibberish to seem very clever to the layman
@@jamespayter6948 we also have to keep in mind, it's hamas vs idf, not civilian palestinians vs civilian israelis
If Jordan Peterson came in a happy meal as an action figure I would buy it.
If you left with that actionfigure., I am pretty sure, you would be stabbed with a hammer and a sickle. Be careful, what you ask for.
Ricardo Mata ... this comment wins the internet!
Ricardo Mata I want to see a comic book series with Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, Milo, etc. as political super heroes! Their characteristics would be exaggerated and they would debate/battle TYTs 😂
So would most of his infantile fans
Redro Wollof T'nod those would be some smart babies!
Love the way he responded to the older lady, who didn't really have a question - she just wanted to make a statement. He looked straight at her, and then expanded on what she was saying, making her feel valued and respected for her comments. And he would have carried on talking to her, if the guy introducing him hadn't moved on to someone else. How often do you see that - someone so respectful and careful with other people's dignity. That shows nobility of character, and humility. A whole lesson in itself.
I wish there were more people like you who show recognition for such a trait.
Saw that too and chalked it up to him being a clinical psychologist. He's doing what comes second nature now after years of practice. Not only a good speaker but a good listener too.
Could well be the explanation. But I still think that many others in that situation - having the spotlight on you in a Q&A session, would have felt the pressure, and would have said to her - "So, what's your question?" He didn't do that, despite it probably being obvious to him that this was not Q&A, and that most people seeing it would know it wasn't. Her dignity - not embarrassing her in public, was more important. To me - that's impressive. Or perhaps I'm just too big a fan, and reading too much into this! :)
A J - No, it's impressive because it's so rare nowadays within out self centered culture. It used to be prevalent in society and I'll illustrate with a quick story.
My dad and I were driving home from lunch when I noted that one of his friends was outside speaking with the police. I suggested we stop and see what's going on. To which my dad did the exact opposite and took another route home. When I asked him why he did that. He said that his friend was an adult and could take care of his own situation but what would make it worse was if he knew we saw him in a compromising situation. It was a move to save face and dignity, which is important in our culture. Dad didn't ignore the situation but knew that interrupting would have caused more harm than good for his friend. It turned out to be nothing serious but I learned a lesson about caring for the dignity of others that day.
There is a different manners system in England. Pretty standard here.
I wish someone would give Dr. Peterson an award for honesty, forthrightness, and integrity. He makes his points with specific examples and nails the idiocy of political correctness to the door. Bravo, sir. You have my undying respect.
I Stephen Marshall give Jordan Paterson the best and fairest award....This is a Jedi award...
@@stephenmarshall8367 but is he granted the rank of master?
He completely ignores the reason why political correctness became a thing in the first place.
His description about collectivist/tribal approaches is absolutely right. BUT, political correctness was an attempt to ensure that an individual would be treated with respect and NOT denigrated on the basis of their belonging to a tribal group seen as 'other'.
Has political correctness gone too far? Yes it has and this is a common failing of the left (and I am of the left). We try to go too far, too fast, and end up alienating the majority of people who tend to agree with our basic premise.
Peterson is an extremely intelligent man and although I disagree with a lot of what he says I find him stimulating. My disagreement with him is that, as with political correctness, he has a tendency to skate over inconvenient points. His speaking/lecturing/debating style is highly effective and highly deliberate. He speaks very quickly and does so to make it harder for his opponent and/or his audience to spot the gaps in his argument.
Take the 'gender pay gap'. He makes a very convincing argument as to why it is overblown (and I think it is grossly over-simplified) but one of his key tenets (that women do not negotiate well) ignores (deliberately) the role of socialisation. Females are socialised to be feminine. Ask most little girls what they want to be when they grow up and 'a princess' will feature prominently. Females who attempt to be more like males in some respects tend to be criticised for it. They are accused of being 'aggressive', 'domineering' 'mannish'. Look at Thatcher, Merkel for example. Their femininity is denied and they are ridiculed for it. A woman who might have the confidence to negotiate successfully has to weigh up the possibility that her attempt will backfire in a way a man does not, and she will be taken LESS seriously for it.
That being the case, I think he summed up western political history extremely well and it was worth watching the video just for that.
I'd say the Nobel Prize but that's just a political toy these days.
@@Meylan191083 what he was actually saying regarding the so called gender pay gap was the the difference between what men earn and what women earn is not totally due to gender . There are a number of logical reasons women in general earn less than men .
Jordan Peterson, as far as I'm concerned, is (and always will be) the king of the north.
I'm so excited to see him next year. I signed up for a 'meet and greet" and I'm afraid I'll get emotional because he's changed my life so much. As a disabled veteran, I can't thank him enough.
As a Canadian, I'll honor that crown. He is a sovereign I would pledge to.
I met Jordan Peterson at the Apollo in London and spoke with him one on one for a few minutes not just in the met and great but while I was in the line outside he must of spoken to a good hundred people in the line before he was called inside, he is a very genuine kind person with an amazing sense of humour but also an immense intellect equalled only by his compassion and care for others.
I spoke with him about how his books and online talks helped me with my procrastination and his response and attention to me in our brief chat was just amazing.
He is a wonderful human being who deeply cares about people and possesses so much integrity, but his intellect is off the map and I have no doubt he will be spoken of in the centuries to come as one of the greatest minds of our age.
@@fozzy1004 what books helped with your procrastination cause I'm struggling terribly with it and need help
@@rainbowchateau7608 Jordan Petersons 12 rules for life most certainly had the most impact on me.
You have to start from the ground up and go through discomfort to move forward.
Getting up early, making my bed every morning and keeping my personal space clean, tidy and organised was a good foundation.
I then started doing push ups every day as exercise, and then cold showers, cold showers had a massive impact on me after a few weeks, it taught me to go through discomfort, and then other little steps which became easier and easier.
It is very important to not just make little improvements but to remain consistent with them everyday after a while many good and positive habits will compound over weeks and months and will build into much bigger positive things in your life.
I now wake up at 6.30 am most mornings without an alarm, my home is spotless and organised, I wild swim every morning workout 3 times a week, read one book a week, with all this on point work and grinding towards my goals is easy, I do have short lapses where I put things off to the next day, but if I try and do that I have my own mental prosses to just do NOW, just don't put things off, just do them now.
12 rules for life helped me immensely on my journey and pointed me in the right direction but bottom line it's your journey and you have to take action yourself, if you can't help yourself then no one will.
Look in the mirror and ask your self is this a reason why I can't do something or just an excuse, bottom line you have to take action and be happy being uncomfortable at the start.
Hope this helps
@@fozzy1004 Well said, that's brilliant you changed your life through simply reading that book.
You can see when that asian boy had his question answered, he was the one to applaud the most, even though he initially disagreed.
Those are the kind of people everyone wishes to debate, people who put forward good arguments, but can admit when they hear a more convincing one.
You would be incorrect in stating that he initially disagreed, as Peterson quite clearly said, "I agree completely with your diagnosis." The only thing that they had a disagreement on per se.. which wasn't necessarily a disagreement but a clarification on prognosis, was the fact that the proliferation of ideas through free speech is designed not only to further the evolution of the individual, but his family unit and broader community, which the kid readily included into his analysis, and continued to ask the question about whether or not to regulate the most "vehement" and "egregious" forms of free speech. It wasn't a disagreement, but a true question and dialogic process of informing both of them. It's also clear to me that the kid's mind is a supercomputer. A discussion between intellectual heavyweights.
Not that this is particularly important, but I thought he sounded kinda Singaporean or Malaysian. There was an Aussie quality too. I honestly had trouble nailing down his accent, but if I had to guess, I'd say Singapore or Malaysia.
He's Laotian, his name is Keng.
That's why de-platforming shouldn't be allowed .I hope we don't go the same way as the States.
@@jasondicioccio880 His accent sounds Australian to me... so why not guess him Australian rather than Singaporean and/or Malaysia?! Despite his demeanor and accent, which seems very westernized, you pegged him as Singaporean or Malaysian, probably solely influenced by the way he looks... though I could be wrong...
My intention is not to accuse you of being a racist, and my apologies if I sound like it. I only point out what you did here as a case in point of simple / unconscious bias people do have. Despite what Peterson said about not being led astray by collectivist/tribalistic way of viewing the world and opt for individualistic world view, the truth is in the West, immigrants from other heritrage origins deal with people viewing THEM in a collectivist/tribalistic way, being perceived as the OTHER no matter how much they assimilate along internal or cultural lines. And there are serious negative implications when people adopt the ways of the West, but still in some unconscious ways are barred from being viewed as a full member of the Western society.
If you have any immigrant friends, let them read this.... see if they agree. I guarantee you, the response will surprise you... or I could just be ranting on a random youtube comment section that you will never read. lol I said what I have to say.
The young British/Asian gentleman in the glasses asked a pointed, well articulated question. Peterson answered him with a well formulated response. The young man received the answer favorably. This is an example of good and constructive dialogue in action. Something you RARELY see in the media.
Yeah, even though I disagreed with the point he was making I still had to respect the courage it took to ask the question to a man in charge with a room full of people who would likely disagree with him. He didn't ask it in a condescending way or try to show Peterson how wrong he was. He wasn't sitting there trying to virtue signal. He was looking to engage in a discussion of ideas and was nothing but polite and respectful. We need more people like him in the world.
Maybe you can explain your reasoning behind the "British/Asian" comment ?
Angus Mac As Peterson said, no matter what a person says, regardless of its content, there is always someone who can or will claim they where offended by it!
@@Sabhail_ar_Alba PLEB!
@@theyvespottedus Try Canada.
11:56 - Thoughts on political correctness.
18:59 Follow up question.
27:10 - Audience question #1
28:41 - Audience question #2
39:05 - Audience question #3
43:01 - Audience "question" #4
51:46 - Audience question #5
56:10 - " " Follow up.
Are you a public servant?
Or a butler?
Well, why not thank Radioactive. Someone might find his pinpoints helpful.
Thank-you:)
@@GreatwhiteShark88 why the spite?
This lecture wasn't long enough. He had some excellent questions and had the time to actually articulate answers without interruption. Could have easily had 3 hours. This lecture shows, as Jordan expressed, that these older universities, where people value their place, hold much more respect for the value of academia, and open honest discussion. Such values should be reinforced in the weider world.
You clearly haven't seen recent Oxford/Cambridge Union debates, they completely went off the cliff.
I have just watched the recent Ben Shapiro address and was appalled to be honest. Questions from ideologically driven students who didn't know basic history and were rude and disrespectful, in my view the questioners brought shame to an ancient institution that deserves better.
This is where CZcams and social media platforms can be a blessing. To be able to watch Jordan Peterson speak at such a prominent venue among the world's future thinkers. I am grateful for having stumbled upon this.
In an age where CZcams vloggers are making longer videos to put more ads into, as their livelihood depends on it, and thus the level of meaningless noise and fluff goes up exponentially, there seems to be harder to find the time and energy to discern what’s worthwhile, a Jordan Peterson is almost always worth it. Thing is they’re always sooo long. Good use of time, for sure.
Kim Williams - My school had a year abroad program in Oxford, I studied Wittgenstein with Timothy Beardsworth, who then held the philosophy chair at New College (Oxford University is not one school but a collection of them, if you did not know), and the German enlightenment philosophers with Fiona … dammit, I forget her last name … at Magdalen (pronounced “maudlin”), and other things, and as part of it all … I belonged to the Oxford Union Society: I forget how many £ it cost, but it wasn’t much, and it was always quite crowded at night, because the reason to join was … _they had the cheapest beer in _*_all the city_*_ by over 80%,_ it was ridiculous, but aside from getting to hear Stephen Hawking speak and answer questions one evening, there wasn’t much reason to join other than the beer, and let me tell you _everyone_ who joined joined because of the beer, and I hate to disappoint you, but … maybe _two_ of the whole drunken lot of them were possibly the world’s future thinkers? and the rest of them were … well, pretty much little Jordan Petersons, full of bluster and verbiage and regurgitated bias presented haughtily as fact.
Except the algorithms only show it to certain people.
@@JoeyLevenson If you think this is long, watch his entire series on "The Physiological Significance of the Bible" back to back.
god bless
"You let those who utter hateful things do so and let everyone hear them, because that’s the best way that what they say will be understood and rejected". Brilliant.
Seb Fr Brilliant? It's the most basic idea ever. That's something you learn as a small child.
Seb Fr: You're right. 'Trouble is Amber Rudd has already brought in her hate speech laws. under which some things cannot be said EVEN IF THEY ARE TRUE. And Zuckerberg thinks he can judge what can be said and what cannot - he actually thinks HE can be the arbiter. So we are are already in 1984 - unless young people push back hard.
In an ideal world. In reality there are countless examples of hate developing a deadly momentum.
that was a Eureka moment for me. Absolutely brilliant. Who would have thought of that....
Yep, people really understood and rejected hatred of Jews.
Dr. Petersen needs a nobel prize if such is available for his discipline in psychotherapy analysis because of his knowledge in this discipline. How human's minds work AND his knowledge of the way society works within groups together with his excellent use of words and English language makes him a force to reckon with and such a wonderful work of art of combining differemt elements to give us the whole picture! Bravo Dr. Petersen. You are truly a gift to all in this time where everything note worthy psychologically speaking has become so disjointed that socities are literally falling apart. Higher education has failed due to infiltrations of those who seek to control and not teach, listen, discuss, debate and learn. God bless you and the efforts you put into teaching millions of us through these talks on how exactly we humans work. You are the human operating system step by step, guide book!
🤮
unfortunately we don't give many awards for pointing out the obvious...even JP says none of these ideas are HIS...he just articulates them in a way we low IQ people can understand. it's a wondferul talent...but not nobel prize talent...like i said, unfortunately. . . . because he surely DESERVES such an award for just that clear speech he can display
Lefty-liberal here. This man didn't say anything that I had ANY problem with. I was VERY impressed and will totally be seeking his stuff out from now on.
You might be a Classic liberal then. Leftist wouldn't even listen to him, thus the underlying issue.
careful you might get red pilled so hard, the world will be permanently changed for you. Good luck and go with eyes open!!
@@kbtdadap indeed, good advice
Also a lefty labour.. Love Jordan Peterson.
@CanadaCraig to be honest its just common sense people who are on both side of the spectrum; i'm on the left too
This is literally the talk I didn't know i needed. Dr. Jordan Peterson you're gold !
Yeeeees!!
Please share, I know I do, especially with my nephews
He is one of the greatest minds we have seen in 600 years. It kills me that so many MSM figures want to destroy him.
@@Trollkungen1 because they’re so much smarter than he is. Lol.
@@mikef2813 the MSM is a bunch of bumbling idiots.
I’ve said it before and I’m going today it again, I pray that these youngsters are aware of just how fortunate and Blessed they are to have this Man in their midst and are able to learn something from him.
someone was trying to pay off their student debt with those ads
If you have a closer look, this channel is owned by a college and not a student. So thats less probable :P
It's owned by a student-run union - I'd be very surprised if students weren't in charge of editing and uploading videos. Normally I think they do a great job of it!
imagine not having adblock in 2020 LOL
Bofa Sofa I actually intentionally don’t have add blocks. Because sometimes a few are good 😅 it offers a new set of things to consume. And also it doesn’t make me feel guilty :)
@@arulpraveen And you do know that Google takes 70% or so of that advertisement revenue? That Google which is enforcing political correctness and censorship. This is why I have ad blockers. Which is why you should do too. A good support could be done be directly donating to them, or buying their books.
Ladies and gentlemen...
THIS IS WHAT A REAL UNIVERSITY LOOKS LIKE.
Well, it was one of the first.
Peterson has made me think again about a lot of issues. It's good to see a genuinely intelligent, decent individual influence young people.
Yeah people said the same about Hitler.
@@chancerystone4086 yeah except he's not inciting genocide so..
It is good you are thinking about things. It builds neuropathways and the more we build, the less likely we are to lose our minds in our old age.
"The abstract territory of conceptual dispute is a substitute for war and death." I can't even explain how deep and great this statement is.
As another great man, Churchill, put it.....far better to jaw jaw, than to war war.
It's a paraphrase of Whitehead: "The purpose of thinking is to let the ideas die instead of us dying."
No denunciations, no placards, no strops or walkouts. Just an excellent discussion, respectful and intelligent, from the speaker and from the audience. That's how it should be done.
well, hate the English all you want. I love being to England because despite their stupid politicians, porn bans and other shit going on at least their students and young folk are not completely dumb.
Ive been to many cities in England and talked to many students and people in general. The british tend to be very conservative on certain topics BUT on everything else they are very open minded. And the SJW-ism is not as prevalent there in my opinion
So you're saying we should set up our lobster farms along the lines of Oxford Union?
It's called "Democracy, tolerance, and maturity", nay "humanity", and should be the absolute minimum requirement for anyone wishing to be termed "human", much less those deemed to be the intellectual cream.
That's because England is not the Americans.
As a Frenchman, it pains me to say this ( ;) ) but historically there was more polite society on Albion than in a lot of other places.
Wether this remains the case in 2021, the jury is still out on this one though. But, still, it looks like Oxford is more tolerant than Berkeley.
I love his take on free speech. 'Conceptional disagreement is better than war, pain and death.' Keep the lines of communication open.
brought to you by the same guy who thinks the capitol riots are to be blamed on the 'radical left' not Trump, he only launched a multimillion campaign to convince the very agreeable folk who stormed the capitol that 'their election' had be stolen from them. No facts to back it up, only relentless repetition of the lie...
I don't just conceptually disagree with this piece of crap, I also think he is sophist of the worst kind
@Anony Me the first thought that came to mind was John F. Kennedy using back channels to speak to Russian diplomats to avoid the cuban missle crisis turning into a nuclear war.
@@strumspicks2456 In Arizona, a forensic election audit is underway. The senate had to fight tooth and nail to get it. Four companies have been hired to do it. The board of supervisors in Maricopa county wouldn't turn over the election results so they had to be taken to court and forced to. Judges across the country were so afraid that they wouldn't hear the election fraud cases. The evidence has not been heard as of yet. I have personally seen many videos showing election fraud being committed. I have heard experts testifying. There are over 70K affidavits related to election fraud. Trump was right about the mainstream media. It is fake news.
@@strumspicks2456 its great that you know what the word sophist means, so its hilarious how badly you’ve misused it. Politics are reactionary, and I doubt heavily that JBP would have ever said that Trump was not also broadly responsible... because he isn’t a fool. So stop trying to strawman an entire person on one paraphrased comment about the political cesspit you probably call home. His contributions to modern discourse are invaluable, and I’m afraid if you can’t see that, you aren’t looking very closely. Every age has its crisis; he’s identified ours, from a psychological perspective primarily, which is excellent now that we’ve killed God. So, clean you damn room. We were almost all living in abject poverty only 100 years ago. And stop calling people sophists because you disagree with them... makes you sound like a damn sophist.
He put it in reference to interpersonal relationships but as an IR and history student this line also immediately makes me think of the Cold War and like, any conflict going on right now. It's really universally applicable.
Jordan Peterson seems to embody Nietzsche’s most profound idea that’s burned into my memory from a course I took on Nietzsche many years ago. It had to do with how truth is the ability of contradictory thoughts / actions to coexist at the same time. If I stand up and start spinning to the left, then how can I be spinning to the right AT THE SAME TIME !?
The emergence of quantum physics allowed me to gain a kind of understanding of Nietzsche’s core concept, but not through my logical brain. That’s impossible. It requires a leap of faith. Now I find tremendous comfort in both Nietzsche’s views and quantum physics. Seeing the world through those lenses is to be in constant motion. Not to see it, the universe becomes static, and that is death.
Jordan Peterson’s lectures almost always ‘dance’ in this most complex of Nietzsche’s core thoughts which is why they are so alive.
Even though my head hurts I could listen to him for hours. I really enjoy the Q&A sessions.
So thanks 👍
You dont get class discussions like this on the BBC ever..not enough viewer ratings probably and this is why the internet is so brilliant. What a great watch
So you're saying the BBC should organize itself along the lines of the Internet?
+ Mike, I think there would be high ratings, which is why they tend to tightly control group discussions with stacked panels and editing.
Russ Ian E. Lection-Hacker I think they should do full discussions and still do their snippet bits on TV. The TV snippet could have a link to watch the actual full unedited footage.
Russ Ian E. Lection-Hacker:
This deserves kudos for being the most subtle lobster dig I've seen on the internet yet
Russ Ian E. Lection-Hacker Well played Sir! Welcome to the Lobster Society. 😊
I am so impressed not only by Peterson’s ability to communicate so clearly and passionately but by the breadth of his reading and understanding of his field.
I never listen to podcasts or talks. I think it just feels incredibly cheesy to do so. But watching Jordan's talks and listening to his podcasts just feels like a constant feed of learning going straight into my brain. It's incredible.
He has it all. Good looks, humor, brilliance, morality, and he still makes laugh with a good sense of humor. Oh, yeah. He doesn’t take himself too seriously. Awesome answers. Awesome man
This Peterson guy keeps interrupting my ad experience!
LMAO
That cracked me up - after an hour of that serious and brilliant talk. :-)
LOL exactly
Hahahahah
Finally a real intellectual.
Dr. Peterson is a man of such sound logic and reason I continually fail to understand why he is controversial. I raised 3 children as a single mother. Dr. Peterson speaks of the same ideas and values I raised my children with. None of ever been in trouble with the law, all are totally self supporting ( and have been since they each left school) , and all are in loving, stable relationships. I taught them that they were not born exceptional but had to work hard to become exceptional. Dr. Peterson’s message used to be called parenting and wisdom. The fact that the message is controversial is an indictment upon modern socialization fads and not the reality of life.
"I continually fail to understand why he is controversial". Try harder.
Did you teach them about lobsters and how people are just like lobsters really, apart from the opposable thumb and not living in the sea. Pretty sure lobsters have their own Jungian types, only a lot more lobsterish.
kefsound Being cryptic does not signify wisdom. It signifies emptiness. If you have something to say, say it. If not, STFU.
A lot of anti-lobster prejudice here
Apathetic Apparition It's also a naturalistic fallacy of the largest degree since it's been used to justify our current hierarchy which is hardly based on merit.
Where's the merit in a system where two kids with extremely high verbal IQ and great drive, one is born to a rich family in LA with a bunch of Hollywood connections and one is born in Detroit to a heroin addicted single mother? The result is one becomes Ben Shapiro and the other one becomes a struggling rapper who gets shot by 21.
The most important thinker of the modern age. Bar none. Dr Peterson may be the one person who can pull us back from the precipice of absolute RUIN we find ourselves on. God bless him ❤
I love this man and the deeper meanings he manifests based on true identification of the problems, not leaving things in fog or justifying emotional doctrines. JP is brilliant.
I can listen to him for hours. Never in my life did I ever think a human being could draw me in like Professor Peterson.
I agree, me too I just started watching and now I'm pursuing my happiness and taking back my life.
I have been listening to him for the last three days since I found his video on CZcams. He is so cool.
Don`t worry, it´s just a phase.
Mate I've even watched some of his religions lecturers on CZcams. I wish I'd had teachers as competent as this man....I may have gone a different direction in life.
That's because he uses all 3 forms of persuassion- ethos, pathos and logos
"All the right wing psychologists are in this room sitting in this chair."
I died.
Yes
Mr. Jordan is one of the best men alive today. I'm extremely grateful to listen to his talks and that he is willing to share his knowledge. My life is changing dramatically since I started listening to him. Great, great man!
Astonishing.
I just feel transfixed and astonished.
AND THATS THAT.
Great, i just finished cleaning my room and i have about an hour to kill before i go to rescue my father from the underworld.
Lol.
NonLocalYokel Hahahahahah :)
Old timers home
NonLocalYokel … say hi to pops!
Don't think that you're not just like your father. Make sure your sons are capable of rescuing you as well.
Video starts : Stand up straight with your shoulders back
Me : sits up in my chair immediately
Rule no. 1 👍
James Harkness 😂😂😂
Forget sitting up, he had me laying to attention in bed!
STOP LAUGHING, EYES FRONT AND SHOULDERS BACK. WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?
I found myself saluting as well, which I think is going a bit over the top.
It's no joke man
I don't know how this video came across my playlist, but I watched it with rapt attention. I love how civil, unpretentious, and thoughtful the speaker is. Knowing your own fallacies and being humble is so much more important than being brash, egotistical, and ignorant, as so many in modern society are. Truly a breath of fresh air, that I wish so many people, including political leaders, would listen to. Like Ben Shapiro, but much more sedate and mature, and therefore palatable to people with opposing ideas. I would give him a double thumbs up, if I could!
Peterson is amazing at answering questions with actual answers. You know, substance. Applied intelligence.
Thank you Oxford Union for letting Jordan speak. Too many higher education establishments blocking him out.
Jordan Peterson EXPOSED!
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Jordan B. Peterson EXPOSED: He is a ZIONIST (JQ, Jewish Question) v2
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Jordan Peterson DEBUNKED ...
Address the Heavy Hitters - Debunked (Jordan Peterson Refuted)
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Jordan Peterson’s Archetypes Debunked
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Jordan Peterson’s Truth - Debunked
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Jordan Peterson is NOT a Christian
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Jordan Peterson's Most Pseudoscientific Claim Ever
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Agenda 21
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Great, coherent talk. Hope Peterson recovers; the world needs a fine mind like his.
It sure does. A voice of light in the closing darkness. Get well soon Doc, we need you like never before.
Wait. He ill?
@@mambopana5577 he's having trouble getting off of some medication he used because of his depression, i think. so, yes: He ill
I pray for him and his family every day. We need them in this world. They've suffered from physical ailments from the get-go, but they have an inner strength, and they pass it on to us. :)
Apparently it was to treat stress after he found out his wife had cancer, which thankfully she is cured of. Those benzodiazepines are sure difficult to kick. Get well soon Prof.
Q and A sessions was fantastic, the exchange between the Asian student and Jordan Peterson was really one of the best examples I’ve seen of effectively reaching a common ground of mutual understanding regarding a contentious topic or issue. Hats off the the student for his articulation and open mindedness.
_You're 18 and have all the answers and should go out and radically change the system_ (paraphrased). Perfectly describes me after the obligatory one-semester intro course to philosophy in the Norwegian University system in the 90s. At 62 (yeah, I was a late bloomer) I have somewhat softened my stance.
Good 👍 man.
I wish I had met him as a psychologist 10 years ago.... would have calmed me down tremendously and saved me from my foolishness.
What a breath of fresh air to expert
ience a brave , honest and knowledgeable thinker in today's world, not to mention the civility, appreciativeness and alertness of the audience. Wished Mr. Pterson could tour in a few forbidden countries in Eastern Europe, Asia and the middle East. Thanks
I can say with absolute conviction that this is one hour and fifteen minutes of my life that I spent very well!
Here's for some time even better spent: czcams.com/users/results?search_query=debunking+peterson
Never had a dad. Or father figure... I've done surprisingly OK without one.. Although I do crave it and know its so important... But after 3 years of listening to you.. You have filled that gap in my life... Absolutely helped me so much Mr Peterson (dad) 🤣 jokes aside.. Thank you so much for all your solid advice and serious reality check.. I hope you get well soon.. You need to get better because we all need you.. The world needs you.. God bless you.. ❤️😊💚
That's brave of you.
I lacked a mother after six, but had a father who contributed much to me, but I still feel the emotional power you do in the guidance this man shows, in the ego free, and genuine force he has a fine human being. That teaches us all to think, and to use the gift of reason toward a better self and world around us if we listen to his principled insight and direction, and even copy it! You are so right in recognizing how much the world needs Jordan Peterson, to point the directions of human truths that are starving for release once more after being trampled by the lack of dimension offered in science as the answer to life's important questions.
@@axem.8338 💓
Indeed! And absolutely!
Unfortunately even people who have their fathers in their lives don’t get to hear these kind of important messages. I grew up with a dad who was always away and I needed to hear stuff like this. I’ll be sure to pass it on to my children!
This man's smile carries so much grief and sorrow and I find it extremely soul-stirring
I have to express tremendous admiration for these young people and the absolutely thoughtful questions that they were able to formulate. While it's not possible to know whether they did so prior to the discussion or on the fly, the intelligence exhibited is absolutely inspiring. We are so used to seeing and hearing thoughtless nonsense foaming from the mouths of so-called students that it's easy to forget that there are young people in the world who can actually lead us away from chaos and destruction.
Well its not a woke American university ...This is freaking Oxford cream of the world studies here
not likely to lead away from chaos at all. the harder one trys to avoid chaos only gives it more power when the outburst comes. the biggest changes in humans lives are brought by inventions of engineers not by feelings. the chaos brought by social media on the internet is just a example of this. the beauty of the internet is how quickly a lie can be pointed out not that it prevents lies.
Their brains are still developing and are emotionally biased in their thinking. It takes a while to fully mature.
Iv been homeless half my life I am 26 years old and I have a ged never wanted to watch anything like this. You give me reason to fight on, i work at fedex in Portland with all the riots it’s been crazy almost too much. But I feel like through all these bad times I always am smiling thanks to people like this fighting for me I won’t give up
Good luck bro.
Praying for you friend!
Hope you're doing well. Stay safe, you work in a crazy area.
The radicals are taking over, I would not stay in Portland. Make every effort to save up, move out of the trash city and somewhere safer, more affordable, and not run by crazy democrats. You don't deserve that added stress, but those domestic terrorists aren't going away any time soon.
I hope you're staying safe
This is why I love the internet. An interview where a question is asked and the response is allowed in completeness, uninterrupted. As opposed to mass media and a 30 second response time, which when entering innovative ideas, 30 seconds is certainly not possible, not only not possible, but make the response "crazy" in the minds of the surface idea idiots. Thus we learning nothing in an accusatory, fast response environment, and the same old ideas remain seemingly as the only "sane" answer.....stagnation is the result.
I mean you can see the levels of salt the MSM has too because of all the hit pieces that get put out on cultural and intellectual figures who developed a successful level of celebrity through the internet. Before The MSM had much more control over who got to speak about what issues to the American People and for how long. On top of all of this they didn't always approach their work with a sense of integrity that was oriented towards intellectual honesty and thoroughness, but ratings.
Be controversial if it gets more views. Finish things up and re-frame the conversation if you start to look bad. Left or right, we see everyone do it...I'm grateful that we have more options
Thats why the comment section exists. So not only can people excrete random autistic thoughts, but they can also do it anonymously. The glory of the internet
Wilderness Music - great comment. A quote I found in a comment section on the MSM interviewing JBP: "TV is cringe. It's like robots invited a human on."
John Forbes ...this is mainly why MSM is trying to kill the internet itself.
Watching tv is no stupider than watching CZcams.
It amazes me when people rail against 'mainstream media' then behave as if CZcams is some sort of really important intellectual platform.
I'm an AUTHENTIC, HONEST, QUALITY WOMAN. I have great respect and HEAR this MAN! I VALUE great INTELLIGENCE!!
I think this man is definitely the niche of our time . The Freud of our time. I respect him and love him because no one is fighting for us as much as he. I know future generations will be either looking at him as a hero or a herald to why it went so wrong.
A man withstanding so much hate with nothing but compassion for those people. A man that experiences hate speech on the daily but brings nothing but a lifetime of knowledge, WELL- read literature and studies and provides the output eloquently and succinctly.
You are blind if you don’t know this man is your friend.
in a world full of lies the truth is going to be hard to see. It takes someone very brave and unique to stand out and stand up for others and express their own views in a respectable way and if ur getting more hate than likeness then ur doing something right because in this world if most people like you, you are playing it easy and its easy to just agree with most people and just to shut up but it takes someone like him to make an actual difference and that's why you don't usually see people like him out in the normal world because its what makes him and us unique. Thank you for your comment, this is why people like him do what they do because they know that the ones that get him are incredible and aren't fooled by the lies. I know any philosopher would absolutely love your comment. You are also incredible and unique and I hope you continue to spread your thoughts and never let anyone get to you.
one of the few guys in our age that can challenge political correctness with clear reasoning and integrity, Respect!!!
Bollocks. Most people can challenge political correctness. The problem is when the racist bullies use that attack on political correctness as a support to their disgusting attitudes. Most people who see him as a champion dont realise he hates their attitudes and behaviour just as much...but he hasnt got a career niche there.
@@seanh1744 No offense (honestly), but did you listen to full address that you're commenting on? Peterson believes that popular negative opinion should be the mechanism by which we deal with disgusting attitudes. I tend to be in agreement. If a free society wishes to remain free, they have to develop a thick skin with regard to speech, as well as the wisdom to know when speech is truly racist, misogynist, homophobic, etc, so that they can maintain the capacity to debate difficult subjects, or even have a sense of humor.
@@seanh1744 People's racism and bullying are byproducts of the chaos of a free society. Free society is everything he (Petersen stands for). Without it we wouldn't have this exchange of ideas and power, education, and general human enlightenment.
And without being racist, insulting and disrespectful
@@PITA-kd2jn 100% agree. Look what happened when the BNP went on Question Time after all the uproar. They lost popularity when people actually had the chance to hold them upto debate. They went into obscurity then eventually disbanded.
51:13
"Well it's all the right-wing psychologists!"
"ALL the right-wing psychologists are in this room sitting in THIS chair."
Love this man.
But he's not right wing. He sees himself as a liberal because he sees the need for change, just not the type of change we are seeing in today's world. The best part is he can articulate his position so well.
@@robadams1506 And he is also mocking the claim...subtly that that there are no right-wing psychologists, we all sit on the left to conservative middle
Rob Adams “Right wing” and “liberal” are not mutually exclusive. He *is* right wing. He’s centre-right. He *is* a liberal. A _“classic British liberal”_ in his own words.
@@JesusFriedChrist to clarify, is he a classical liberal or am I missing something here?
@@australianword3812 he is a classical liberal. Economically he showed already to support free market economy so that would put him with austrian economists.
He’s an astounding debater/arguer. Would’ve made a scary ass trial attorney. We have a lot of exposure to him in the US. He seems like a really decent fellow. From time to time he runs out of his lane which may be why he annoys people sometimes. But I could never question his sincerity. If he could lose his Canadian accent he would be perfect. (Just kidding. We love our Canadian neighbors.) 🇺🇸🇨🇦
I am Russian, and I am so happy to hear that Dr Peterson was influenced by Dostoevsky and Solzhenitsyn.
Why? You are neither of them! Being Russian in no way makes you responsible for their works. Just as being Russian does not make you responsible for Stalin or Lenins actions. Claim your own successes, not those of your "tribe"
@@gus3itbazeen I've spent a lot of time in Russia traveling and working, and they rarely hear anything but the negative stereotypes westerners often have about their people. Both from their own media propaganda and from westerner haters on the internet. Of course he would be stoked that an intellectual like JP admires certain people from his people/culture that many westerners collectively blame for a war their tyrant mobster leader has started, a people that i see many spoiled ignorant westerners describe as uncultured orcs and other racist bullshit. They've often never or raraely heard a westerner express admiration for something from their people/culture/nation.
I so respect Peterson for his intellect and stoicism. But I gained even more respect for him after this Q&A simply by the manner in which he answered the last question. He recognised the relative 'impressionability' of the crowd he has speaking to. Given JBP's feelings for Trudeau, the question forced him to consider, not his answer, but the way he was going to articulate his disdain. I think he didn't want to deride Trudeau too vigorously in front of impressionable, yet intelligent, but still impressionable youth. He realizes how much weight his words currently have and didn't want to place a wrong impression of how one should carry themself.
Jason G I totally agree. I like the way he often pauses, often for quite a while, before setting out his responses. Much of this is probably down to the way in which his words are twisted or taken out of context but I think also because he feels the weight of responsibility that lies on him given the scrutiny his words are under, to be truthful. (One of his steps I believe.)
I also like the way he sometimes answers a question with a very honest, "I don't know.." when he genuinely doesn't. Too many ppl have too much ego to simply admit that, thinking it will diminish them in the eyes of their audience.
I thought he might announce his run for prime minister :) .
Jason G he isn’t an intellectual he just speaks clearly. Fine respect his stoicism but for god’s sake don’t respect someone who speaks on topics outside his field and clearly doesn’t know or intentionally mars history. He might be a qualified psychologist but he is an amateur philosopher and neither a sociologist nor a historian. Some people can speak outside their field but rarely are they popular and pundits.
Dr P was of course willingly taking his own medicine. Being offered (by the nature and place of the question) an easy opportunity - say like a Samson - to push further apart the pillars of Trudeau's PC Temple, so as to bring on further chaos with no certainty of any real benefit.
" hmmm....do no harm.....best bet" he was thinking. Hence the pause.
So true to form he tasted the very potion he would consider offering as remedy for the ailment....."tread very very carefully when in a position of power, and don't make things worse"
Jason G I share that sentiment. Really pleased he didn't just slam Trudeau, which would have been so easy. But I believe that we need to respect the office of the PM, if not the person himself, because otherwise we undermine this democratic institution in the long run.
2.2k People: Thumbs down
Cathy Newman: So you're saying thumbs Up?
@xxKuki Ladxx Cathy Newman: So you mean ...eh eh, ...OK I am trying to form my thoughts.
That material is gold.
Thumbs down:
Cath Newman: AUSTRALIANS!!!!
So mathematics is not your strong point, especially percentages.
Will you Brits tell me Elizabeth II is the most _competent_ British citizen to rule the UK?
Well, I have to say that was one of the most interesting Q&A's I've seen for a while. I'm afraid I was not able to keep up with him, intellectually, all the way through but I tried my best. His command of language, use of precise vocabulary was outstanding, his sharp mind etc etc., was above and beyond. In many ways he reminded me a little of the late Christopher Hitchens. What a refreshing voice to hear. Thank you Dr Peterson.
I would love to have seen him in discussion with Christopher Hitchens. I don't agree with Hitchens, but admire his erudition.
I always get awed by his ability to articulate things in speech, its absolutely bonkers to see a human being capable of such control in speech.
Yeah he fits one of the categories of Solomon's Idea of a wise people and the Bible in general. He who restrain, control his lips is wise. Also the one who speaks correctly at the correct time in a correct way to a right audiens is wise.
No matter how much I listen to this man, I'm never satiated. He opens up a doorway to glimpse what can be learnt and drives the need within to seek, improve and grow.
Yes!
I don't get it. It sounds like gibberish and nonsense opinions presented as scientific fact. His line of reasoning doesn't make sense.
@@JeanQPublique You Do Realize He Is Considered One Of The Smartest Men On Earth
@@ryblack5032 Isn't that so confusing? Surely he's smart enough to see all the logical fallacies in his arguments. Maybe he's above logic :)
@Ry Black, but seriously, he just sounds like someone who realised he can make a career from saying controversial things using academic language.
I you observe Mr Peterson, he talks about several different subjects of humanities such as Psychology, Sociology, History, Theology, Philosophy, Anthropology, Evolutionary biology and connects it to derive answers of contemporary Political questions. Thats really amazing.
Tyler Mod how so?
ESTsiaster_19XX Just isn’t though, is it
@@jakehorn2583 It just is, period.
And he shows every time how little he knows of any subject outside of clinical psychology. What a total and complete joke. The stupid mans version of a "smart person". He's great at using big beautiful words to make the most ridiculous opinions seem like the most insightful idea. But in reality he's a glorified incel.
you nail it ! ...how people can describe this as "Great, coherent talk" is beyond me ...very sad
Awesome discussion!!! 👏 Such words of wisdom from Sir Peterson, and such patience and grace when answering questions.
I actually searched for the transcript of the session online and downloaded it to fully comprehend at leisure the insights that he unveiled so eloquently. Thank you Mr Peterson.
Timestamp guide:
0:00 JBP speaks about hierarchy
11:45 Should we universally reject political correctness or is there a line that can be drawn?
18:56 Your conception of truth is tailored to help us how we survive and live, doesn't that mean that your approach to the meaning of truth is similar to one of a post modernist?
27:15 Besides Solzhenitsyn and Dostoyevsky, Is there any other way that Russian culture and history has left a mark on your ideas?
28:41 What is the source of meaning?
39:00 Pathological chaos (liberals) vs pathological order (conservatives) on hierarchies
43:01 Isn't the classification of liberal and conservative views on hierarchies an attack on individual sovereignty?
45:19 JBP speaks about temperamental differences in men and women
51:39 Wouldn't you say that some degree of extreme speech (whether right or left wing) should be curtailed for the betterment of society and for the scrutinised to be able to speak up and contribute their views?
1:04:24 Why people like shutting down others for having different views in the political landscape?
1:09:09 What would you say to Justin Trudeau?
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Very good. Thank you.
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I cannot bring myself to understand why some people hate this man.His pure brilliance beyond ordinary.
His ability to articulate his thoughts is another level.
Ppl whose feelings are hurt don’t care about all the points he made about free speech. Psychology has noticed an increase of narcissis. That means you can induce narcissist injury in more ppl than ever before, which is what trump did to the 60%. This all begins with being raised in forced schooling.
All I have to say is “if you see a cat on the street then PET IT! 👹” - Prof. J. Peterson… AKA the red skull Peterson 👹
@@peter.wilson so you think his books are only fleeting based on an immediate culture rather than a book that could relate to multiple cultures through time? 🤔
very true. he is the PC-social justice warriors nightmare. these days to promote manhood, deny the existence of the gender paygap and dismantle neo liberalism, marxism
and feminism does not make you too many friends:) he knows his shit like there is no tomorrow. pure brilliance.
@@peter.wilson eh. I wasn’t aware philosophy had a higher order. Rather it has theories and substantial logic. It’s why math major is so in line with a philosophy major. Anyway if there is a higher order then they may yell at the hard determinism vs free will debaters. They’ve been working on that for over 2000 years.
Everything Mr. Peterson says is thoughtful, profound, and insightful. His intelligence is a gift to the world.
We’ve never met but you have done so much to improve my life Dr. Jordan Peterson. All by nothing more than coincidence, you were there when I looked for understanding. Thank you. Your greatly appreciated.
Both Peterson and the audience were fantastic
I enjoyed the way the audience behaved as well. Lots of really bright students.
Yes, it was very refreshing to see Peterson speak at a university without idiots trying to shout him down. Kudos to the Oxford students.
This guy drags me up into a world of intellectual understanding which I would never be shown otherwise
Check out Alan Watts, very similar, different in a way as well but just as knowledgeable.
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@Voja
Right you are. The way I put it is that Peterson gives me full permission think rationally. And leads the way in an inimitable, marvelous way.
I challenge anyone to show me someone anywhere in the world who is as smart as is Peterson. Not kidding.
His wisdom imparting potency is second only to the Bible. He’s pretty darn close to it. Again, not kidding or exaggerating. I truly sincerely found that to be very much the case.
Wish you all the best. 💙
@@suribuxton9079 Not so similar.
Alan Watts is way more spiritual than intellectual
He’s a fierce worded man in a calm controlled gesture with a smart look
An address I don't get fed up with! Have watched it dozens of times and can watch it hundred times!❤
Wow. This was by far one of the best talks that Peterson's ever given.
also a Poe.
Probably because it was a room full of scholars and academics talking about issues and topics and -not- people with the intent on making it political or making him look like a racist/bigot/pseudo-intellectual or whatever the goal is now or days.
values = hierarchy = inequality (giving rise to power), power that then 'manufactures itself upon the sole [value] of preserving itself,' this is done by insuring tribal difference based upon colour, sex. Jordan's argument essentially suggests, those who are invested in the value of preserving power will do so on the basis of ensuring tribal divides, tribal divides based on colour, creed, sex. Thus, those of power will usually be of one creed, one colour, one sex,
"All the right-wing psychologists are in this room, sitting in this chair."
I love him.
He makes his 'marx'
I've noticed a lot of attempts at cleaver 'coded' language and snide remarks buried within discussions about JP. I wish more people would (or could) fully articulate their criticism of him. I certainly would appreciate reading some different opinions and points of view, particularly if their more substantive than, "he's a Marxist."
@@PITA-kd2jn never happen. His attackers take low-resolution, ideological, positions. When they try to critic his logos, theyre going up against empirical science and all the great philosophers of the past 150 years, as well as all the accumulated wisdom deposed in the great religions to date.
@@PITA-kd2jn Peterson REALLY isn't a Marxist. He views Nazism and Marxism as being basically equivalent of each other.
I don't mind my musicians coked up or pilled up. I prefer my thinkers sober headed. Hope he returns from rehab a more thoughtful person. And does some more reading before he starts spouting off
Do not pray for an easy life; pray for the strength to endure a difficult one.
So glad to see Oxford being so open compared to most universities in the US
Mans is lowkey a poet:
"Not only do you have to move from point A to B
But point A is often a very difficult place to be"
Actually bars
@@Dog3D "Now listen..
That’s called MF’n bars!! You know NOTHING about that!!" - Funk Flex
damn. Just amazing
Jordan "Drake" Peterson
@@swaggy3987 JBP is a black white supremacist confirmed
50 years from now political science students Like me will be studying him.
Doubt it. The Left will ban him for thinking for himself.
Agree 100%. He will go down as one of the great minds of all time.
Hope
I agree totally. He is already transforming, updating, and restoring society. Thank god. By anyway you might mean by "god."
I very much doubt it
10 million views, this is incredible enduring stuff which will shape many lives and society for years to come.
Well, Dr. Peterson, I'm proud to have placed the 15,094th comment... You are outstanding. I consider myself a conservative and you have given me a better way of thinking about my liberal friends. My father used to say to his loved liberal friend that he knew Martin was extremely intelligent but he just had not been able how a fellow South Louisiananian could be a liberal. So, he came to the conclusion (tongue in cheek) that liberalism is a fault in character. Well everybody laughed at Dad and Mom's party at Martin's expense. It was a good time and Dad freshened up Martin's drink. I would like to say "hello" to you and that I am delighted to be able to binge on your youtube videos. Finally, I'd be delighted to invite you to come down late this spring and enjoy our spectacular Speckled Trout and Redfish fishing and eating. Take care.
The biggest misunderstood optimistic person I know
He missunderstood? You mean misunderstood by his admirers?
He shouldn't be understood.
His ideas are misrepresented. "So what you are basically saying..." is often what he did not say.
Just when I think the world has gone mad Jordan comes along and restores some semblance of faith in humanity for me.
This discussion is one of my favorite videos from Jordan Peterson
My goodness. That talk make me think this man and others like him can save the world.
I am now 60 years old and find Jordan Peterson spot on with what is needed for humans to be all they can be.
Please introduce the youngsters you know to this man, as you will be helping humanity.
@Billy Priestley
I’m 26 years old. The fabric of society is melting. I understand America is a land of immigrants. But each immigrant practices their own culture instead of American culture. And when somebody talks about American culture another American gets angry.
@@manuelcastro3506 Migrants here are taught to celebrate and embrace their culture, while the native culture is spat on and derided in media. The country will collapse if this continues.
@John Smith
I agree with you. One country is dependent on the native culture. The media wants to create a “utopian” country with multiple cultures is ridiculous. That’s why countries were created.
Putting people together either different ideas and norms is asking for trouble.
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Jordan Peterson is forcing me to think in high resolution.
SD 4:3 or die mofos!
hes done this for millions and thats what scares the left......#Freedom of speach
He didn’t force you to do shit, you choose to listen enough to his speech and knowledge, to the point of your instinct concluding, that since you don’t understand his words and /or don’t agree with, it has been CHOSEN within you to be annoyed to think in the matter you claim you were “forced” to do.
That or I misunderstood your comment
Fruitful Vine Farm -- He's so cruel. lol
Outstanding presentation of ideas, great questions and answers, I enjoyed this immensely. I wish it had gone for longer!
We need people like this who make us think about ourselves in relation to others. I have found life is richer when you help others who are less rich in many ways to understand what is meant by rich.
The truth about Dr. Jordan Peterson is that, not only is he an intelligent, well-read, well-spoken, wise and knowledgeable man, he's also a good, decent, dignified, magnanimous and noble man. And his detractors, mostly if not all, lack most of those attributes and qualities, if not every single one of them.
Are you referring to me sir? I'm not sure what your point is but if you're interested in knowing me PM me and I will meet you in person. I can assure you that have nothing to hide, I stand for what I say and I'm afraid of no one.
why are you attacking him, does it make you feel powerful
A genius of our time!
Gray: You just dropped your IQ. When you pick it up remember that the seven follows the nine.
TruthBeTold: They would wouldn't they, being a bunch of lefties.
That exchange with the young man about hate speech was incredible to watch. Masterful.
Which one?
Time stamp?
Oh 51:41?
I couldn't stop staring at his obscenely long thumbnails though. Made it hard to take him seriously
I would have just told him to grow a spine.
I'd feel so unbelievably honored to be in the same room as Jordan Peterson. Hopefully one day. Brilliant man!
Thank God this man takes the time to think before he speaks! Kudos!
Yeah I'm very impressed at that, like its hard for me to not be stressed and bother by the audiens staring at me while doing that and also not look deafeted. Solomon say:"A wise man thinks seven times before he speaks"
You nailed it. That is what impresses me the most about him, he chooses his words very very carefully, and is not afraid to say nothing until he formulates his answer. If I learned nothing else,thatcwould be a great lesson.i did of course learn a lot more besides.
Man what a time to be alive, seeing Jordan Peterson in Hogwarts
Is this really the place where harry potter was shot? Oh wait no, it was some castle in scottland
@@antiracistbaby1085 rip harry lmao
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How is this funny?
@@EdekLay he's making fun of English architecture. Saying Oxford looks like every other British school
Make ‘high level intellectual discourse’ great again!
I’d buy that T-shirt!
HLID doesn't roll off the tongue quite as well as MAGA, but I think we can make it work!
MHLIDGA
Or just say sophism.
Nah! "MHLIDGA" isn't going to cut it as a slogan, and it won't fit on the front of a cap! Think again.
what color is the hat? lol
0:55 opening remarks on HIERARCHY:
2:00 we move towards what we value, away from suffering
4:55 we compete in this pursuit, producing hierarchies of competence, and so inequality - minority [20%] of competitors gets majority [80%] of success, per Price's law (literature)/Pareto distribution (statistics)/Matthew principle (economics/Gospel)
6:40 [right] conservatives (high consientiousness, managerial types) sustain hierarchies to defend values; left [liberals] (high openness, creative types) attack hierarchies as corrupt tyrannies which block new values
9:40 "a functioning economy and... democracy ...needs both types" in free discussion, to maintain stability-change and hierarchy-equality in optimal balance
11:50 Q1: can POLITICAL CORRECTNESS ever be good?
12:35 we need a low-resolution description of the world to move through it effectively: a "general existential theory", an agreed-upon narrative of ourselves
14:00 one option is collectivist, dating back to monke (and again dominant in postmodern culture): a human is a tribe(s) member, reality a battleground for tribal power > mayhem
16:40 another option is [individualist], developed in Western (especially British) culture: a human is a sovereign individual, with rights & responsibilities > peace and (unequal) wealth
18:15 answer[?]: the effort of [political correctness in] universities to "sacrifice the sovereign individual view for the collective tribal view ... is appalling beyond forgiveness" [so, no?]
19:00 Q2: isn't Peterson's [Nietzschean] view of TRUTH as a value for life itself "postmodern"?
19:20 postmodern view: in mid-60s, multiple disciplines realised there are "infinite ways to perceive the world"; postmodern thinkers concluded that therefore "there's no justifiable grand narrative" for world-orientation, and ironically fled to a Marxist collectivist narrative
22:00 Peterson's (darwinist) view: scientific truth is (somehow) distinct from ethical truth, which evolves from animal behavior into "the central axioms of civilized human behavior", based on fixed patterns/rules governing functional interaction between organisms over time (e.g. to play, big rat has to let small rat win 30% of the time)
24:50 so yes there are infinite interpretations of the world, but only some are practically operational, all following a general pattern which is first acted out, then expressed in stories and images, and only then consciously articulated
26:35 the truth, despite postmodernism, is that "there is something that approximates a universal human ethic built deeply into our biological and social structures"
Summary of the whole argument:
A general ethical pattern governs the interactions between organisms most beneficial to their survival and flourishing (their pursuit of value) across the long term. This natural pattern is first implicit in behavior, then represented in mythology, and then articulated in philosophy and science. Western liberal democracy (and its narrative of sovereign individuality, itself preceded by the Biblical doctrine of man's creation in the image of God) is its highest expression, sustaining history's best-functioning societies by keeping the irreducible tension of hierarchy and equality in balance through free discussion. Postmodernism flees from the problem of competing values into Marxist collectivist narrative, masking it as political correctness, a misguided and malicious attempt to destroy this implicit and explicit ethic, which can result in nothing but destruction of life.
Question for discussion:
Is it really so that of all cultural systems, only Judeo-Christian > Enlightenment 'individualism' succeeds in maintaining and perfecting the natural ethic, while all non-Western models are a blind and destructive 'collectivism'? Does this not contradict e.g. Peterson's own admiration for classical Chinese civilization? Can we envision a narrative beyond the individualist-collectivist dichotomy, which would still meet Peterson's standards for a practically life-sustaining general ethical theory?
values = hierarchy = inequality (giving rise to power), power that then 'manufactures itself upon the sole [value] of preserving itself,' this is done by insuring tribal difference based upon colour, sex. Jordan's argument essentially suggests, those who are invested in the value of preserving power will do so on the basis of ensuring tribal divides, tribal divides based on colour, creed, sex. Thus, those of power will usually be of one creed, one colour, one sex,
What a wonderful treat! It is so rare to have discussions rather than battles on university campuses anymore. Questions were asked that actually sought answers and/or discourse rather than as a way to bait the speaker into a verbal fight. And no one tried to shout him down even if they hated him or his responses. This is how lectures and speeches were treated when I was in university 50 years ago.
Thank you, Internet Dad. :)
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