Elegoo Saturn 3 Ultra 12K 19 micron resin 3d printer (HONEST REVIEW)
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- The new Eleego Saturn 3 Ultra 12K 3D resin printer... 19 by 24 micron of glossy, sexy looking printer. It's certainly designed to impress! ▶ tinyurl.com/5n7ck2ed
The question is, does it? Here I take a very frank and in some quarters no doubt very unpopular look at what Elegoo is giving us in this new machine.
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I ended up ordering the ultra anyway, because I want the wifi option that's not in the base 3. (That said, I haven't received my ultra yet.)
It'll be my first resin printer. : ) I'm kinda happy to see that even in a negative review, the stuff that's negative about it doesn't seem that bad to me, in all honesty.
I genuinely think youtube needs more people like Mr Vogman. I watch your reviews because they're unbiased and honest. For people like me who need to upgrade their tech for business purposes, watching other youtubers get paid to only say positive things has absolutely no benefit to me and could potentially lead me down the wrong path. If it wasn't for you, I wouldn't have half the business I now have. So I thank you for your honest reviews.
I also think elegoo is doing themselves more damage not sending you stuff, seems like they definitely have something to hide.
Thanks very much. I appreciate your kind words. 😁
A big problem is a lot of content creators have their livelihood dependant on Sponsors. Especially as things like Patreon and Ad revenue are becoming less and less profitable. If you anger a sponsor by not doing what they want your livelihood is affected by that. So the incentive is only there for positive reviews and I'm surprised more people aren't aware of how untrustworthy that makes these content creators.
I appreciate your honest and detailed review. In particular I like your in depth, zoomed in, comparison between prints of different printers. This is in stark contrast with a lot of youtubers where they just print the same easy 5 prints and show an out of focus image of the print saying "seems pretty good" without elaborating or comparing to other printers, rendering the review practically useless. Please continue to make videos like these.
Thank you Nick. That's very kind of you. 😁
Elegoo names their resin printers after planets, so why wouldn't they have named the external air purifier the Elegoo Moon?
Real missed opportunity here.
This stinker should be the Uranus.
Idk how people take CZcamsrs like uncle jessys reviews seriously. Hes like the unbox therapy of 3d printing, just acts like every product is great, basically a marketer
People love the guy and that's great. He doesn't pretend to do anything more than he does. If he made outrageous claims, that would be unfair, but he just presents products as being new and allows his viewers to find out more for themselves. It's transparent and fair.
trying to upgrade from a 2k printer should i go 8k or shell out a bit more for this model?
Great video man! Yeah as far as I know they only had the one mars 4 9k unit to send to me. But I believe those will be going out once they have more in available. Wish they could have got you one to review and 🤞 you will get your hands on one
Thanks buddy, and congrats on being the face of this giveaway.
I am worried by this Elegoo tactic though. I fully appreciate that you didn't have the opportunity to review these models before the event, but many people will be buying because of your persona.
I can't help but feel the prices have been elevated specifically for the event, causing folks to jump in for a "bargain" that in truth, doesn’t exist. Had the market had chance to test the products, it may have resulted in prices being $150 lower or more in certain cases.
In this situation, for instance, features alone can't justify the S3U being the same price as the M5S, and yet it's been presold for MORE!!! At least, that's how I feel about it.
None of this is your fault UJ, but this style of fast paced sales on unreviewed products doesn't sit well with me. It has the potential to mislead and overcharge consumers, and even hurt your reputation, which NO ONE wants to see.
Your reviews are very appreciated and the honesty is even more appreciated 🫶🏻
In regards to the sped claims, from what we’ve seen those are based on 1) special high speed (ie: extra thin) resin 2) next gen FEP material 3) increased speed in the slicer 4) very high 0.1 mm layer heights. . As you say no-ones tested these much with the Saturn 3 (though they have been tested with the M5s and do seem to deliver what they promise). More importantly, no-one has replaced the FEP, the resin and adjusted the slicing profile on an older printer and tested if that works. I’m 75-80% sure that the exact same process adjustments would offer similar speeds if done on a Saturn 2, Mars 3 or potentially even a Mars 1 or 2. Nothing in the speed requirements seems based on the printer itself and this seems likely to be marketing guff to push a new printer with minimal actual improvements.
@@Starganderfish I'm hoping to see these tests too as I've had the exact same thoughts, nothing I've seen or heard seems to indicate the printer itself is responsible for quicker speeds, it's all external factors. Which is disappointing considering how often I've heard the faster lift speeds been pushed as being amazing. :(
@@Starganderfish besides printing fast leads to problems and if you really want to print fast just get an sl1s. They print extremely fast
with a layer time of about 2 seconds and the tilt bed moves in another 2 seconds for about an average layer time of 5 seconds.
Appreciate the review. I'm new to 3D printing and thought I'd get this but now I think I'll wait for something new that has auto leveling. Keep up the good work!
What configuration should I use on the Saturn 3 Ultra with standard 8K photopolymer resin?
How is the z-axis tower? Does it wobble less compared to the Saturn 2?
HI. hope all is well. i just got this printer but i am unable to print just yet , for some reason i can not print my files. im using chitubox slicer please advice if anyway has had this problem.
Do you have a list of your current settings? Or will you once you have it dialed in? :)
You are, and will always be a man of integrity Vogman. I appreciate. I'm sure everyone else here does too. Keep it up sir!
Thanks for the very kind words 😁
Hi. Could you, please, tell how much the print quality of 8k (Saturn 8k or Saturn 2, 28.5μ) printers differs from the print quality of 12k (Saturn 3 or Mono m5, 19x24μ ) printers? Do you have examples of such prints?
Now the price difference between 8k and 12k printers is ~$200 in my country. Which printer do you think is better to buy Saturn 8k ($390) or Saturn 3 ($590)? Thanks
as some one new to this, would the DLP be the bet, and if so or other please advise which would be best. The idea is to print off mini figures, map structures for warhammer etc
i've been thinking of either getting this printer or the gk2, does the saturn 3 ultra have a higher detail than the gk2?
do you suggest regular version? saturn 3? 😬 or just ultra version is valuable?
Could you try to spray a coat of paint or primer on the ameralabs test print? To see of those lines are still perceptible?😊
For all my excitement for the Saturn 3 I'm more impressed by the Mars 4 ultra as it's better micron. But I'm not suffering from fomo I'm just going to watch all the printers on my list and see what user's face. Anyway thanks for keeping things real that's a true reviewers place really. Nothing worse than CZcams channels just talking positive 100% we need more like you.
how did you find the fan noise on the Saturn 3 Ultra? I have had mine for a week now, and it is substantially louder than the fan in my Original Saturn. I bought it mainly due to the wireless printing - which works extremely well, and I never want to have to deal with a USB stick in a 3D printer again.
great review - glad that I preordered the Anycubic M5s for $399 with a bottle of the fast resin
Good choice 😁
The same to me!
@@sadheartcreaciones and me ;]
Anycubic M5, non-s is right now on preorder and is even cheaper.
It is the same printer without the auto leveing and the questionable "smart" features.
I went for the mars 4 ultra anyway because I just want the highest pixel density but I would take the M5 over this one because its basically the same thing but cheaper.
Me too! I returned my Monox 6k and bought the M5s for 399 since my return would give me back 385 so it was only a couple bucks more. Cant wait to get them in and try them out!!
Any kind soul care to enlighten me? I can't decide between the Uniformation GK2 vs this vs Anycubic Photon Mono M5S.
Gk2 has the ease of use/module parts, heater vs what the others have.
I would be interested in seeing a comparison between an 8K and 12K printer with the same build plate size, specifically how noticeable the differences are to the eye.
And as for the test function, I am wondering if it is an internal QC feature they can use for a quick factory test before shipping.
you wont be able to tell the difference, trust me
but did they reinforce Z axis column so it doesn't wobble back and forth under load / while homing just like on saturn 2?
The column looks very substantial to me - thick and wide. I always try to keep an eye out for wobble and I haven't seen any problems with the unit I have here.
@@vogman good to hear! maybe ball-joint-less solution helped a bit too, i noticed my build plate seems to be pushed towards the screen when tightening ball joint screws. Hopefully they reinforced base too so it doesn't bend. I'm still rather disappointed there's no hinged lid nor other qol improvements over s2 :[ sigh.
@@vogman The column itself isn't the (only) issue with the marketing clowns pretending to be engineers at elegoo - the thin aluminum between the z-column and the vat area is also responsible for flexing, if they didn't reinforce that after all these years, it doesn't matter if the column is thicker and wider, it will still tilt when the too-thin metal on the base flexes.
Is there a chance of the mars dlp vs mars 4 9k comparison video
That will depend on Elegoo. I'd be happy to review it fairly, honestly and impartially. Whether Elegoo will let me review another one of their printers is doubtful.
@@vogman thats a good point. I love my saturn and jupiter. As I am using my printers more for my work (pewter casting) I could really do with the highest resolution printer in the more budget category. With DLP, 9k mars, 12Mono etc I am starting to lose track of whats what
Did you find out why the Ameralabs town test print had lines on it? Kinda waiting to order cause of this, havent been mentioned in any others tests of that 12k screen tho.
then what is best mars 4 9k ultra or this ultra?
The S3 Ultra is double the speed on the s3 though, that's on paper, what are your thoughts?
Great review but I've seen others showing that the speed is really impressive. Like 5 times faster impressive in many cases with no lose of detail. I ordered one and hope it delivers
Any thoughts on the speed/reliability of the wifi file transfer? I read somewhere you can remotely start a print, is that true? Cheers
In honesty I haven't tested it, but in theory it should. WiFi with printers has been around a while now and as long as your printer is turned on and ready to print, you should be able to remote start, review progress and even cancel. 😁
@@vogman I believe on this printer you can actually transfer your files wirelessly over your home network. Other printers seem to be only able to start and monitor print progress wirelessly. I have a form 2 printer and the wireless transfer function is really nice to have as it allows you to put the printer just about anywhere. You can send multiple print files and they are stored on the printers memory. It is unfortunate that they seem to have missed some of the other innovative features you mentioned, and the non square pixels and strange banding is odd.
Hi VogMan, thank you for the review! I am between saturn 3 ultra and M5s, which one do you think is the best from those two? I like that saturn has bigger height but anycubic has autolevel and it's own slicer, what do you think? thank you!
Anycubic M3 Premium seems also as a good option
I'm just getting into 3D printing and from my research the regular Saturn 3 looks like good value for the size and resolution i want. Can anyone give me advice on this artifacting issue mentioned in the video though? Is it bad enough enough I should be considering a different printer instead? Unsure now if I'm better getting the older models to avoid it in my prints
Hi Tom. The lines you see here are highly magnified. You won't see they with the naked eye. I hope that helps 😁
Thanks for the review - It's good to see the S3U and M5S going head to head. At 5:33, at the Amera Labs test the Elegoo seems to retain the shapes better, especially looking at the text - Am I seeing that right? Was there any circumstance that went against the Anycubic?
I saw that too. It must be a bad photo taken by a slightly shaky hand as that amount of ghosting seems to be very unlikely on a resin printer and would be unacceptable.
@@peterkiss1204 I had another look at the photo and the small bit of lint / dust on the M5S model shows it's in focus, so not sure what's going on, but it makes me uneasy about my M5S pre-order. Any insight in the potential difference between the models @VogMan?
Great video and thanks for being the only one not reading from a pre-approved script. Have you tried any more prints on the Saturn 3? I'm very concerned about the AmeraLabs prints from your video. The surface looks very poor for what should be an upgrade from 8k. Could this be from the rectangular pixels?
My only question, is this a better print than the Sonic mighty 8K? Comparing it to the mini 8k doesn’t account for the increase build volume of the Saturn 3. If you had to recommend one printer that’s about 10” build volume would you recommend this one or another 8k printer?
The Mighty 8K is 28 microns. These 12K printers, in my opinion at least, are printing at something more like 24. So in theory they are better, but it will be a very small difference that you'd probably struggle to see even under magnification 😁
@@vogman do you think all of these printers print at a similar level so other things like bed leveling and other features matter more?
I like to see innovation as it shows these printers are getting better and better. I like to encourage that innovation so I will commend it. However, not everyone needs it. So I try to be balanced in my reviews and cover that as well.
Hi, would I ask for thoughts and recommendation between the AnyCubic D2 DLp and Elegoo Mars 4 DLP? This should be comparing apples to apples . Or it is possible to do a video and show us the prints In detail? Thank you.
I haven't had the chance to fully test the Elegoo DLP yet. I have one here and will be doing a review very soon 😁
I have the elegoo dlp and have trouble getting it dialed in
A truly honest reviewer. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Just bought it with mate air purifier. It will be amazing journey :) everything will be better than mono x 4k with broken lcd. Need to wait till august end
Hey VogMan! Thanks for your work!
Any chance for a Mars 4 DLP review? I am in the marked for a 3D printer and decided to go for a DLP one. Was looking at D2 and I just found out that there is a cheaper offer from Elegoo that nobody talks about. What's the deal with that?
Loved your honest review. I was trying to figure out what the Ultra was. Thank you!
Happy to help 😁
I was looking into getting this printer 😮 but you made me rethink. Do you suggest the anycubic over this one? Or is the gktwo the way to go?
I think it's still good... just pricey for what it is. I'll be reviewing the none-ultra version in a few days if you're interested 😁
Super random, but does anyone know where to find that hyper-realistic Bearded Dragon lizard stl file Elegoo used in all their trailers for this printer? I've looked everywhere and can't find it.
Check the end of the Elegoo ad video. I'm sure they give credit to the creators. That's the best place to start 😁
@@vogman sorry, I goofed. It was in the M5s trailer, not the Saturn 3 ultra trailer. 🤦
Anyway, no credit was given other than "Anycubic" so I guess it's a model they own but don't release? Odd.
One advantage the Saturn 3 has is it supports per-layer settings which be used for a lot of clever things in UVtools. Anycubic doesn't support them, and they really should fix that flaw.
Great video. Thank you so much for being straight forward honest!
Thank you for watching 😁
@@vogman It’s always a pleasure 🤗
I don't think Batman designs anything, he let's Alfred do all the actual the work. I just felt this had to be said.
What? You're saying the over-privileged rich guy gets the poor working class lad to do all the work?
No... that's not possible.
😉😁🤣😂
Any update on the artifacts at 5:43 ?
I have an OG Saturn that's been a workhorse for me. No issues with the having to re level frequently. Don't know that I need a 12k printer. Would like their 8k at what will hopefully be at a nice discount with their new models dropping!
Saving up for the uniformation after your review of it.
Unless some other manufacturers will see the light.
Thanks for your review mate, much appreciated. I went with the M5s on pre-order...my only concern here is that scratching on the vertical faces of the Amerilabs Town, that's weird...also, I have to wonder if the semi-transparent FEP's on this and the M5s would have a slightly negative effect on print quality, like a cloudy FEP on ealier machines can...the combination of a screen protector and semi-transparent FEP woudl slightly decrease print quality, I would have thought...maybe not...
Hello
What do you think of the M5S now that you have gotten to use it?
I can literally hear Elegoo screaching in the background "how dare you say an Anycubic product is better in any way than our new baby!"
I think they don't care. They probably made a killing on the UJ showcase.
@VogMan probably, but I think elegoo got caught flatfooted and is trying to get something out so that anycubic doesn't corner the market for this. I watched it and it was a great advertisement but little else. It all feels extremely rushed and lacking in deliberate design. Like the fact that there is little reason to buy the ultra over the standard model. It's very sloppy and smells a lbit like desperate competition. They would have been better focusing on their 9k printer.
Is there no benefit to testing lift speed with a .05 layer height with a normal resin?
As i understand it faster speeds should still be achievable due to the new quicker releases ACF even without marketing-gimmick-high-speed-resin??
so what is the best resin printer at the moment?
which one should get if parts' gap is my concern
Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean.
I'm surprised that in your end comparison of the S3U and M5S that you made no mention of the Wifi; to me that's a huge advantage, one I'd be happy to pay the extra $100 for. Having said that, with the Mars 9K having Wifi I think that's the one to wait for, but it feels like you glossed over it very quickly then ignored it for the rest of the review, which surprises me given how most consumer aimed / budget end printers still lack Wifi.
Thanks you for the honest takes! This scratches/layer lines in the images and you mentioning that the 12k resolution didn't seen as sharp as the Phrozen has given me a dilemma. I'm debating my first printer and I am now between the base Saturn 3 or the upcoming Mars 4/Mars 4 Ultra... I really just want to print scale figures, so whatever looks the sharpest is important to me. BUT so is the print volume because I'm not printing minis. The fact that is sounds like the Mars 4s will look sharper than the Saturn 3 has me unsure what to do. I'm also in Canada where Phrozen isn't an option due to shipping costs.
When you talk about anti-aliasing how relevant is that to the printer itself? I thought it was a feature implimented by the slicer so the actual printer used for "anti-aliased" files shouldnt matter as its not really anything to do with the screen.
Compare to a PC game the GPU(slicer) generates the "anti-aliasing" effect on is render and the monitor (printer) just displays it.
Is this understanding wrong? Do some printers have an "anti-aliasing" funtion built in that they apply to an already sliced file?
I incorporate antialiasing prints simply because people kept requesting them. It's as simple as that 😁
Thanks for the review.
Is the printers feedback chart available Somewhere ?
I was shopping printer upgrades the other day and noticed something else rather odd. Elegoo and another website selling printers looked identical, to the point that I had to check the URL to make sure I was on the right site. I was going back and forth comparing features, though one thing I've never been a fan of is Elegoo's stinkin' center mount ball thing for the build plate. Seeing as how that's another shared component for a lot of printers, I see they brought that over also. Basically the only difference in the 12k printers between these two companies was the external shell. I'll bet both boards and user UI panels are identical also. So as you rightly mentioned, is the exterior 'aesthetics' worth an extra $100?
Not for me. Still looking at the Gk2 for my next home printer.
I was hoping to see other companies copying the GK Twos innovations. So far it's been disappointing.
great review, ill wait a bit before i buy one of these. any chance ull be doing a review on the Mars 4 Max 6K ?
Love your reviews👍
Many thanks 😁
What is this model at @6:57 ? Where can I get it? Thanks
That's Mephisto by Wicked 3D. Thanks for the reminder. I should have added a link in the description. I'll do that now 😁
Why is the purifier called the mars mate, when the duct hole and removable panel to connect it to the printer hood only exist on the Saturns?🤷♂
Maybe the Mars Ultra has a duct opening and it will be part of the sales pitch? Maybe there will be a simple conversion kit? Once it's available, I'll bet within a week there'll be suitable files for free on Thingiverse 😁
About these lines on AmeraLabs test print, maybe it's related to the very low viscosity of the resin used, which exaggerates imperfections in the linear motion (and some vibrations across print)?
They were two different resins. And I've used Anycubic Craftsman Grey in various video printing the town print without issues. Good thinking, but I'm not convinced.
@@vogman Looks like LCD masking issue, the grid in those 12k LCDs is apparently 'off', causing some kind of pixel light-bleeding responsible for the scratch-looking artifacts on both the anycubic and elegoo 12k models.
Had just bought the Saturn 🪐 2… so o filled for return to get this new Saturn 🪐 3 Ultra. Thanks for the honest review.
Thanks for watching 😁
@@vogman keep them coming.
I don't feel like buying elegoo anymore, my next printer will most likely be an anycubic again
Hi, between this and The M5s Pro which one Wins?
For me, it's the M5S Pro.
@@vogman tks
Fair and valuable review. Thanks Vogman
Many thanks 😁
The scratches on them if you look at them close they are clear rectangular boxes in amongst these scratches these could well be the layer lines we will now have to deal with for these 12k stretched rectangular pixels! I wonder if Phrozens test cards could help this?
Only man I trust for a real review.
Thanks Eric.
The difference between the Saturn 3 and Saturn 3 ultra is the ultra has metal build and is therefore easier to clean and it has wifi. Also in my experience with the creality halot plus which has the same cover shape as the photon it is a pain in the butt to get back on it takes four tries because you never know which way is forward once the lettering has been removed by the alcohol you will inevitably need to clean it. And the shape of the ultra lid will make it easier to tell which way goes forward without having to try all directions to see which way fits. I find myself taking the lid on and off 10 to 15 times a day
Why is the mini 8k so often compared to the photon d2?
They're very closely matched and folks disagree which is better. It's very close, but for me it's the D2.
@@vogman I understand, but I looked at the print results and compared the pixels on the layers between mars 2 pro, photon S and photon d2 layer by layer, and did not notice a significant difference. Is it true that significantly sharper voxels push it forward so much?
If I understand correctly even the newest resin printers from Elegoo don't have power loss recovery feature, is that right?
At the same time it seems most FDM printers do have that feature ...
I'm a bit confused, is there are reason resin printers don't implement it?
Or is it just Elegoo being too cheap?
Any possibility of the halot mage pro getting reviewed?
Coming soon.
Will the review be up before the upcoming prime day? Looking to see if I will be purchasing it in the sale
Can't wait for the dlp one!!! These are cool but nothing really exciting... While the first elegoo dlp printer should be atleast interesting...
As in the Mars 4 DLP? I'll be doing that review soon.
The Saturn is 3 Claims 70mm/h while the Saturn 3 Ultra clams 150. The M5s claims 105 mm/h with high speed resin and 70 mm/s with standard. Is it possible the difference between Elegoo 150 and Anycubic is the 0.1 layer height vs 0.05? Can you do the tests because nobody else will and I think this information is crucial. Have you seen evidence that dual linear rails are better than single? Since Elegoo have now used a ball screw like the Anycubic M3 Premium can we make a judgment on the value of those?
We are seeing these things evolve exponentially within only a few years,.....
imagine what the future holds ...
Good sense of humor = good engineer
I'm no engineer, but I know it's better to laugh than cry 😁😁😁
great fast uploaded review! Im thinking users have to pay for the design and build quality here. it looks that more metal is beeing used. 9h tempered preinstalled glass screen protector is also better than what anycubic has to offer with m5/m5s. I like the ips touchscreen and wifi file transfer and storage on the machine. also the wifi antenna is standing out, so I could use it in my basement, while slicing at my flats pc without using an usbstick. air purifier is also handy.. but early bird bonus is too low and the price is too high against m5/m5s.. too bad.. not buying. mars 4 ultra looks good yeah, but Im guessing I need to wait for mid size dlp printers hit the market
VogMan how do you deal with the left over waste wash water of the Resin printing when you use Water Washable Resin?
Because I am thinking of selling my Elegoo Saturn 2 Resin 8K printer and Mercury XS wash & Cure System due t me not able to sort out the waste water filled with water washable resin left overs.
I have 14 liters stored in containers now as being in the good old UK,
Means I can't just sit the open top container in our non hot sun here since it is as we know nothing compared to the USA heat wise even at the best like last years summer!
The water washable resin in the old wash water is still a toxic non-throw away liquid and I seen that getting a big UV lamp is far too pricey ( a few hundred online )
So please how do I deal with the wash water loaded up with the resin?
Why don't you cure it in your was & cure station in a glass jar then filter it with a coffee filter or paper towel? Then spread the putty on paper towel, cure it one more time for a few minutes and it can go into the thrash. The water can be resused as washing fluid.
Here in Australia (in winter) I am forced to bottle my wash water too. I simply take it to the local dump for hazardous waste disposal. You guys have something like that?
@@peterkiss1204 Hi, I thought of that to? But the weight of the water in even a small glass jar worried me as that cure station has a very weak turntable which from what I seen is not that strong since any resin model it has to deal with is little to no weight unlike a jar fill up with heavy wash water. 14 liters is allot to cure in a tiny amount at a time.
Even if I could not damage the turntable with the very heavy jar of waste water, it would take many days to do that amount little amount at a time. That would solve that problem but make another problem the Printer would be unable to be used for many days while the waste water was slowly set of the waste resin. And of course since it takes 7 liters at a time to fill up the washer container I would have another huge amount of waste water to set slowly again in little jar fills.
Plus really I still would worry about damaging the turntable long term no matter how careful I was doing the settings?
@@jarrajoseph-mcgrath9142 Hi there, Yes do indeed have the disposal centers here too. However even if I have one in my Borough and it does not charge money to do the service, I have a problem as I don't own a car and I am sure there is a problem health and safety wise and law wise taking some very toxic waste waster on public transport to a possible long journey
to such a place as you can't just hope that the container/s don't leak on the way there and I am sure there be a very big fine for me if it leaked on a bus?
So I really don't wish to break laws, also get a ban from using public transport as that be a big pain!
And I am sure if there was a collection service from the disposal site they would sure charge big money since it is a toxic waste pick up? So I am really stick at this time.
Hi Colin. I can tell you what I do, but that doesn't mean it's ideal.
Firstly, some local dumps do take hazardous waste, though if yours is anything like mine, you can't take in any trash that is dirty, broken, or incapable of being placed on eBay 10minutes after you've dropped it off (the arguments I've had...).
So, I do what Peter Kiss has suggested. However, I use small plastic (clear) bottles, seal them, and stand them indoors on a windowsill. No direct sunlight is needed. Alternatively you can place them outdoors somewhere that’s safe and that light can get to. Leave it a few days then sieve.
I separate the water and pour this outside on concrete, etc, where it will evaporate, regardless of sunshine. I'm in the UK too, of course. So think about it... after a wet day, how long does the ground stay wet? It dries surprisingly fast as evaporation isn't just about heat. Personally I don't pour the water down the drain or even on the garden. But as long as there's no animals to lick it up, I figure nature will do the rest.
Then I again do as Peter does, but usually inside on a windowsill and finally, sorry to admit it, in the trash. I hope by that point I've removed as much of the UV curable stuff as I can...
Not perfect, but that's my way. If anyone has anything better, I'd like to hear about it 😁
Hello.. I want to buy a 3D printer and I am confused about choosing a 3D printer. What is the best 3D printer? Between Elegoo 12k , anycubic M5s , UniFormation
This should help you... www.vegoilguy.co.uk/3d-resin-printing-which-printer.php
I have a number of printers already, I’m looking to add a few additional printers to the collection but as for now, I think I’ll wait until the market flattens and all the hype or BS has subsided. Over the last 3-4 years resin printers have moved along at a tremendous rate but I feel there are way more innovations ahead.
I got the M5s for 499 with the free wash&cure bath, which was a great deal I believe, i'm currently printing on a Mars 2 Pro, I hope the speed doesn't mean that my Mars 2 Pro has better quality than the M5s
I really like that it has the tempured glass cover to protect the screen, i had a fep sheet break at night one time and it ruined the screen :(
I've never priced the tempered glass, but I'd bet it's pricey. But the clear film stick-on variety are dirt cheap and protect the screen very well.
When can we expect your Athena review?? Super excited to see it
Soon. That's the best I can say right now 😁
When are we getting the Athena review. I am waiting on reviews until i back the kick starter
Very soon Tony.
@@vogman Thanks i look forward to it
Prozen alway win in TOP 1 , thank you for review Vogman
At least they got 1 thing right the new build plate for leveling isn't that stupid ball mounted thing you need to reset every few prints! I've set mine 1 on both my mono 4k and mono2 amd that's it never touched them again but on the mars 2 every 3 prints
Pardon me if this sounds obvious but why does it matter if the pixels are rectangle?
It's new, that's all. In terms of printing it seems to work absolutely fine.
Great review, sadly it was 1 week after the new M5 Sale :C I was hoping Elegoo would be a better 12K... but now im regretting not getting the M5 when it was at such a low price. But your reviews are worth their weight in gold, Honest and straight to the point. Keep it up!
I don't want to spend your money for you, but remember the standard M5 still has 12K printing power and is the cheapest machine. It doesn't have all the fancy self-levelling, etc, but on paper it should print just as well tinyurl.com/2dcp7sj3
@@vogman Yeah, thanks. I will either do that or wait for release and then get an 8K when they are cheaper. Do you know if the M5 allowes other slicers (Chitu/Lychee) Or is it just their new in house slicer?
I don't think Anycubic restrict anyone to a certain slicer. Sure the printer will come with Photon Workshop, but it's just a question of time before companies like Lychee add it to their listings. In fact, you could always send Lychee an email or visit their Discord and ask them. If they are doing it, the others will too.
Even without the prerelease discount I think the m5s is still a good bargain for what it does. If you 3d print a lot like I do, the no leveling, faster printing time, and 8k+ resolution will still make it worth the investment. 👍
honestly just wait a year. 3d printer tech is exploding right now, I'm sure in a year or two we will have 12k printers with better features. Also anycubic does sales ALL THE TIME. Just wait for their september sale.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! I feel that my pre-order of the M5s is now more justified. So the question now is should I have gone with something else for a 10" screen is fast printing is not my main need? I feel at £379 (found a fur £20 off code) I've got a real bargain, even if it does have rectangular pixels. Speaking of which would it be something to do with adhesive grip. If you think of a suction cup, its round, don't see oval ones do we. They just wouldn't stick as well, so is this the reason for the odd shape. The 9k has square pixels, but no fast printing. anyway just a thought.
Anyway thanks again @Vogman, glad my own thoughts on 'what you get' have been shown here.
Thanks for the kind words 😁
Good review, they seem like fine printer, but the new printers do nothing to make me want to add with my Saturn 2s. I rather have full details over speed. The Saturn 3 is the Saturn 2 with the 12k screen, however is there really that big of a difference between 12 and 8k prints from midsize printers. I'd rather have 12k in large format printers. I guess we can hope Phrozen will add more when the replace the Mighty 8k. The mars mate filter seems like the most interesting release Elegoo did.
I buy the Elegoo because of the inbuild air purifier :) I have the Jupiter and think it’s a big difference at some resins. And the COB+ should be an improvement against voxel lines. Sadly I can’t compare both printers.
I completely understand. I do think, in all seriousness, that the Mars Mate purifier that Elegoo are releasing looks impressive... and it wouldn't take much DIY skill to make it fit ANY printer 😉
@@vogman yes it’s also an interesting device. In my case maybe I will buy one for my Snapmaker, because there this cost around 500€/$.
Okay... Definitely starting to wonder what unit I'll likely end up getting to supplement my Saturn 2 since a lot of these new shiny units don't seem quite be a jump up worth buying.
Just research well and get all the facts. That's the best thing you can do.
As requested by the M5s video, please give us the Athena review. It should run circles around these 12K printers in terms of innovation.
Coming soon 😁
One thing i dont like about this and my saturn 2 is the lid. It require so much space in height, i cant put it in my shelfs. They should have kind of an opening/hinges on the back so its possible to remove the lid without lifting it all the way over it on the top. Kills too much valuable space i could use for storing tools/materials instead
Bring me more DLP options with higher resolutions and I'll be excited to buy.
Totally agree. If this had been a DLP with some of the Anycubic features I would have bought it.
At this point I feel like just getting a GKTwo and not waiting around for the pre-orders which pressure you into buying with the “discounts”.
When I saw the GK two, I imagined all the other companies would copy. But no. It's a real shame. The features that printer contained were excellent.
In other words, for someone new like me who just wanted to either get any cubic or the other but decided to go for S3 as Elegoo offers free shipping to Canada for only $50, and I wanted something..."sexier" loll and made out of metal instead of plastic.
Considering I don't really care about the auto levelling , but just want a printer large enough to print vehicles and terrain but also provide me a great resolution when I want to print smaller miniatures for my 40K army.
This printer is perfect for me.
I know the $100 difference in pre order but... the metal parts for me was enough to convince me to pay the $100 more.
Besides.... free shipping and no VAT/tax as well so at the end it maybe saved $20-30 by not buying the M5S
Using metal in the structurally not critical parts is just increasing the price and weight without any real life practical benefit. And this printer is more comparable to the M5 than the M5s making the price difference even bigger. The only advantage it has over the M5 is the slightly taller build area.
Same I am also In Canada and the extra 6cm is not to be laughed at when print terrain and Titan...
Another interesting review thanks. I know like me you interested in engineering with you metal casting series. Any chance in the future you could do a video more on the engineering uses of resin printers. Every video I have seen so far just shows people printing small figures. I want to know more about building larger or complex housing and enclosures and front panel name plates. I would also be interested in how to use the higher resolution for printing screw threads. Have to say my 3D printer you recommended is still sat in its box for the last 3 months and I’m still a bit scared to open it. I have been waiting to make room for it in the garage which is currently stuffed with new CNC. Best regards Chris
Hi Chris. You're not the first to ask this and I genuinely would like to help. The problem is I have no ideas. If you can suggest a few engineering prints or small projects, I'd be glad to give it a go 😁
And don't be scared. Open the box. This series should help you set up czcams.com/video/87Xk9CF7bhY/video.html
@@vogman thanks for the reply and the link. I will check that out and think about some topics. I guess I’m interested in printing larger flat surfaces and electrical enclosures for projects and the dimensional accuracy of prints regards fits rather than resolution. On my channel I restore a lot of valve radios and a common problem is replicating lost knobs. I will probably look into getting a laser scanner so I can copy these from a pattern and paint to look like bakerlite. My Filament printer gets a lot of use in replicating lost parts I also sometimes make jigs or drilling templates. a resin printed drill gauge or similar tool would be interesting as it has to be relatively accurate. I also plan to print name plates for equipment or perhaps painting stencils.Regards Chris