Defensive Pokemon Ruined by Their Typing

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  • čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
  • There's a lot of Pokemon that would be good if they dropped their second typing. Also you should totally check out ‪@MoxieBoosted‬ #pokemon #pokemonscarletandviolet #pokemonshowdown
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    0:00 - Intro
    3:10 - The Ice Type
    8:07 - Rock/Steel Types
    11:34 - Rock/Ground Types
    14:01 - Shuckle
    16:02 - Wo-Chien
    18:52 - Outro
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  • @FalseSwipeGaming
    @FalseSwipeGaming  Před 2 měsíci +3292

    I can't believe we forgot H-Avalugg...oh well LMAO

    • @KonkyDonk
      @KonkyDonk Před 2 měsíci +436

      A forgettable form on a forgettable pokemon. Honestly deserved for being so irrelevant.

    • @MetalSam25
      @MetalSam25 Před 2 měsíci +104

      It's so forgettable, I dont blame ya

    • @chaosgallade2331
      @chaosgallade2331 Před 2 měsíci +248

      Hisuian Avalugg is a regional forme done wrong. The Speed boost did nothing and Ice/Rock is just as bad as pure Ice even with the added resistances.

    • @SomeAsian
      @SomeAsian Před 2 měsíci +13

      RIP

    • @metayoshi1712
      @metayoshi1712 Před 2 měsíci +70

      quad weak to steel and fighting is just major oofs.
      aggron/bastiodon suffers from quad fighting and ground weaknesses.
      Alolan Sandslash had a quad weakness to both Fire and Fighting.

  • @MoxieBoosted
    @MoxieBoosted Před 2 měsíci +3425

    Wo-Chien, my beloved...

    • @JP-bn9dn
      @JP-bn9dn Před 2 měsíci +90

      I POPPED when I heard your voice, love the crossover

    • @RuggedRing
      @RuggedRing Před 2 měsíci +123

      Live Wo-Chien Reaction

    • @cdsbeo5747
      @cdsbeo5747 Před 2 měsíci +26

      @@JP-bn9dnthe two best comp poketubers in one video, my life’s goal has been reached

    • @Abdus_VGC
      @Abdus_VGC Před 2 měsíci +19

      I too love Wo Chien, I got great success while living in and competing in India with a Flutter Mane, Galarian Zapdos, Wo Chien, Incineroar, Ogerpon Cornerstone and Suicune stall team

    • @thagumaster1
      @thagumaster1 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@JP-bn9dnit’s funny cause I get all these Pokémon channels mixed up anyways

  • @FarCritical
    @FarCritical Před 2 měsíci +2542

    Regular Aggron: *cries in two 4x weaknesses*
    Mega Aggron: CAN'T OUTSTALL THE WALL

  • @silverrey7379
    @silverrey7379 Před 2 měsíci +901

    1:29 seeing Serperior's Leaf Storm dropping its special attack is one of the most cursed things I've seen all day

    • @athan13590
      @athan13590 Před 2 měsíci +286

      Non-contrary serperior is ironically contrarian

    • @eenpersoon2881
      @eenpersoon2881 Před 2 měsíci +71

      I almost forgot that was even possible

    • @frediemelperenaxiii235
      @frediemelperenaxiii235 Před 2 měsíci +51

      It feels like a crime

    • @Asm0d3u5
      @Asm0d3u5 Před 2 měsíci +11

      I was shocked

    • @misteral9045
      @misteral9045 Před 2 měsíci +14

      ​@@athan13590Wow, a pun and the correct use of irony. That was a good one, I came dangerously close to laughing.

  • @i.c.2552
    @i.c.2552 Před 2 měsíci +233

    Ice type: Agressive, effective against four types, weak against other four and only resists itself. Meant to be a glass cannon
    Most ice type Pokémon: slow and defensive
    I don't see any problem here

    • @greenchilistudioz4537
      @greenchilistudioz4537 Před 2 měsíci +26

      Glaceon is at least decent offensive pokemon, sadly due to it being eeveelution, it gets hold back and is weaker from it.

    • @CelerisXIV
      @CelerisXIV Před 2 měsíci +9

      Neither does game freak

    • @nablamakabama488
      @nablamakabama488 Před 2 měsíci +38

      That’s the problem with rock and ice types. They try to be tanks way too often, but they have terrible defensive match ups.

    • @firstsunrise8759
      @firstsunrise8759 Před 2 měsíci +19

      @@nablamakabama488 Rock is at least okay in the way it resists Fire, Normal, Flying, etc. and isn't weak to Stealth Rock.. Ice on the other hand is the most terrible defensively

    • @Justapikachu577
      @Justapikachu577 Před 2 měsíci +31

      @@nablamakabama488 rock is designed originally to be defensive and to this day has a great mix of defensive and offensive opinions. Ice was never meant to be defensive so it's baffling that Game Freak keeps trying to nake it defensive. Snow helps sure but snow is better for keeping the glass canons alive!

  • @doug-goat
    @doug-goat Před 2 měsíci +2083

    Alternate title: How hisuian avalugg’s typing ruins its defensive utility

    • @ONLY_RR7
      @ONLY_RR7 Před 2 měsíci +354

      Crazy how they somehow managed to give Avalugg a worse defensive typing than pure ice

    • @Ben-jl2rh
      @Ben-jl2rh Před 2 měsíci +30

      Thankfully Terrastalize exists

    • @Idiotden
      @Idiotden Před 2 měsíci +102

      unironically they did him so dirty. I looove regular avalugg, so I was super hype, but noooo they had to add ROCK TYPE.

    • @nthequation5677
      @nthequation5677 Před 2 měsíci +137

      Why god hates you - The Gamefreak Theorem

    • @eLite-Tiss91
      @eLite-Tiss91 Před 2 měsíci +13

      Ice is crappy defense type anyway

  • @paulmann8570
    @paulmann8570 Před 2 měsíci +342

    To be fair to Cloyster, that Ice-Type went from being the thing that held it back to one of the things that kept it rolling for as long as it did the moment Gen 5 hit.

    • @ethanmacdonald8568
      @ethanmacdonald8568 Před 2 měsíci +91

      Skill link icicle spear go brrrrrr

    • @Zeppongola
      @Zeppongola Před 2 měsíci +78

      IIRC it was also genuinely a boon in gen 1, where freeze-fishing was very common and immunity to it was an excellent trait, as was resisting the 90% accuracy blizzards, and Ice's weaknesses were basically non-existent in the format

    • @Jw87563
      @Jw87563 Před 2 měsíci +26

      ​@@ZeppongolaTrue. Fighting was crap because psychic was so busted, and rock slide wasn't that widespread, IIRC.

    • @Zeppongola
      @Zeppongola Před 2 měsíci +28

      @@Jw87563 Yep. Plus fighting moves were pretty awful in general (I think the best one available to anything other than hitmonlee was submission), steel wasn't a thing yet, and the only halfway common fire attacks in the format came from the rare Moltres.
      I think the only gen 1 OU 'mon that usually ran rock slide was Rhydon (and golem, before it got phased out. Snorlax can learn it too, but I think you'd be sacrificing more critical moves for it)... who takes 4x damage from water, meaning it is 2-shot by _clamp_ of all things- which also stops it retaliating since its a gen-1 trapping move- and is very unlikely to even do 50%+ with rock slide in return, _and_ is outsped by Cloyster

    • @Knirrax
      @Knirrax Před 2 měsíci +2

      I was about to say something.I love my skill link cloister

  • @SkylordBaoBao
    @SkylordBaoBao Před 2 měsíci +225

    I actually laughed out loud when I saw Moxie had dedicated a whole section of the video to Wo-Chien because of course he would

    • @theskullboy8700
      @theskullboy8700 Před 2 měsíci +15

      Moxie: have you ever heard the tragedy of darth wo Chien the wise

  • @westleywoollard5832
    @westleywoollard5832 Před 2 měsíci +552

    I listen to both FSG and MB while cleaning and fully didnt realize it wasnt the usual voice

    • @noah_of_babylon
      @noah_of_babylon Před 2 měsíci +33

      It is the usual voice wym

    • @danielthemangrande
      @danielthemangrande Před 2 měsíci +15

      @@noah_of_babylon it's like 1 or 2 whole octaves deeper, same person doing the voice but it's deeper.

    • @MacAnters
      @MacAnters Před 2 měsíci +15

      ​@@danielthemangrandewym you're clearly gaslighting us. It's the normal narrator?!

  • @MyRealAlias
    @MyRealAlias Před 2 měsíci +526

    A moxie and a false swipe video? More for me

  • @oktusprime3637
    @oktusprime3637 Před 2 měsíci +728

    Glad that we got the usual narrator. Was afraid it'd be a different one but it's the same beloved narrator we've had for years in almost every episode.

    • @booradley6832
      @booradley6832 Před 2 měsíci +120

      It was strange that he mentioned it was the usual narrator, since it clearly was and nobody was questioning it.

    • @nousername191
      @nousername191 Před 2 měsíci +55

      @@booradley6832 Maybe he had a cold and was afraid his voice would sound different.
      No need though, same ole voice.

    • @RandalfElVikingo
      @RandalfElVikingo Před 2 měsíci +6

      Both suck, at least this one does not do the virgin jokes.

    • @Poopoocachoo
      @Poopoocachoo Před 2 měsíci +38

      @@RandalfElVikingookay virgin

    • @IamSaralinka
      @IamSaralinka Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@nousername191Such dedication he has to his work. Good on you Mox-I mean Kellen 😊

  • @PKMN649
    @PKMN649 Před 2 měsíci +84

    I love that most of the video is just saying "adding Rock to basically anything makes them immediately much worse."

    • @victory8928
      @victory8928 Před 2 měsíci +11

      Defensively anyhow. Offensively they became stronger

    • @rossthemoss6827
      @rossthemoss6827 Před 2 měsíci +6

      @@victory8928
      Except for probably electric and rock
      - rock doesn’t help it against its main road block in ground
      - and rock is generally a physical typing while electric is special meaning you are going have subpar stabs depending if your physical or special

    • @noukan42
      @noukan42 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Imagine rock/normal blissey in the sand tho...

    • @goGothitaLOL
      @goGothitaLOL Před 2 měsíci +5

      @@rossthemoss6827I would a argue a special one would be better, simply because Power Gem doesn’t fucking miss
      Only slightly tho

    • @melvv18
      @melvv18 Před 2 měsíci +18

      Rock seem to lack synergy with most types, except for maybe grass.

  • @Shattered_Framents
    @Shattered_Framents Před 2 měsíci +173

    Hearing MoxieBoosted talking about Smogon OU instead of VGC feels so funny to me

  • @darkjackl999
    @darkjackl999 Před 2 měsíci +58

    Never forget Aurorus
    I wanted to use it so badly but it was so bad i couldn't bring myself to keep using it IN A REGULAR POKEMON PLAYTHROUGH

    • @iBenjamin1000
      @iBenjamin1000 Před 2 měsíci +6

      do it anyway. I did it's a cool pokemon

    • @kintaro1851
      @kintaro1851 Před 2 měsíci +6

      You can use almost everything in a playthrough. I use a Magcargo in my current HG run. It might not be good at tanking special attacks, but it wrecks everything with it's choice specs attacks

    • @wailmerwithinternetaccess7934
      @wailmerwithinternetaccess7934 Před 2 měsíci +9

      ​@@iBenjamin1000 it's Ice-type ofc it's cool 🙃

    • @sinayams
      @sinayams Před 2 měsíci +1

      Same, I used during my first XY run and I boxed it almost immediately it was so weak

    • @Alex_Barbosa
      @Alex_Barbosa Před měsícem

      ​@@kintaro1851yea you can use anything, but it can be a frustrating experience.

  • @Tarudizer
    @Tarudizer Před 2 měsíci +74

    Can I just say, it is the WEIRDEST thing to me that a ROCK and STEEL pokemon is considered "weak defensively". That just does not compute in my brain, it should be the most defensive pokemon in existence

    • @teddyhaines6613
      @teddyhaines6613 Před 2 měsíci +36

      It's a lot easier to stomach once you accept that Rock is a bad defensive typing on top of having anti-synergy with Steel.

    • @pedrodarosamello64
      @pedrodarosamello64 Před 2 měsíci +44

      Making rock the second worst defensive type was one of the choices of all time.

    • @lilharm
      @lilharm Před 2 měsíci +7

      think about it like this
      rocks and steel are durable in real life, but they can still be damaged by pickaxes, explosives, and other things designed to do so
      so it’s not weak because it’s fragile, it’s weak because more things are available that can break it

    • @tidalgrunt6549
      @tidalgrunt6549 Před 2 měsíci +3

      Rock is weak because it's brittle. But it makes sharp edges in a lot of cases which is why it stabs good.

    • @kevinbell5674
      @kevinbell5674 Před 2 měsíci +1

      I never understood why rock is weak against grass. Realistically, it should be the other way around. No grass is gonna grow where there is a big ass boulder.

  • @mavriiick
    @mavriiick Před 2 měsíci +34

    I like how you can tell when the writing switches from FSG to Moxie's whenever it switches from singles discussion to doubles. Cool touch that they wrote their respective sections.

  • @Omar_ZX
    @Omar_ZX Před 2 měsíci +117

    That thumbnail is safe to say very fitting

  • @Matpit18
    @Matpit18 Před 2 měsíci +149

    Wouldn’t be a Competitive Pokémon Discussion video with MoxieBoosted without him bringing up Wo-Chien

  • @TheAweDude1
    @TheAweDude1 Před 2 měsíci +17

    This is actually one of the reasons I like Pokemon's typing system so much. Each type has an offensive and defensive identity that has actual implications for teambuilding. Some other games just have symmetrical or circular type systems. Or, like with SMT, each individual monster has their own, unique, defensive profiles.

  • @thecod2345
    @thecod2345 Před 2 měsíci +250

    I will always have beef with Gamefreak for making Aggron so impossibly cool in every way, giving it a great learnset, and solid abilities, just for it to be borderline useless because of its 2 4x weaknesses

    • @benross9174
      @benross9174 Před 2 měsíci +12

      Aggron isnt bad, he just has bad MUs. If you learn the meta/tier he is in he can be really good.

    • @gengarzilla1685
      @gengarzilla1685 Před 2 měsíci +75

      Mega Aggron dropping Rock and being a better tank for it will never not be funny.

    • @baxterbruce9827
      @baxterbruce9827 Před 2 měsíci +18

      What was ever the point.of giving intended tanky Pokemon such intentionally bad typings? Like, they don't even always need GOOD typings (Aggron would STILL probably be better than it is now as a pure Rock not even a pure steel), but just... Don't make the typing like shooting them in the face

    • @vermillion6159
      @vermillion6159 Před 2 měsíci +37

      ​@@baxterbruce9827 I think GameFreak just didn't think the relation between themes/concepts and actual type relations through. Think about it, whenever there's a monster in any piece of fictional media that has rock skin, wears armor or anything like that, its depicted as being super bulky, which makes sense given how sturdy these materials are in real life. Sounds all fine on paper.
      But in practice, that concept falls apart since the many weaknesses of rock types can be justified just as easily, and pairing it with steel makes it even weaker to fighting type moves.
      But I don't care, I'm still gonna use Aggron whenever it's available in a mainline game again. Even if it's not the best

    • @jeremytorres5622
      @jeremytorres5622 Před 2 měsíci

      And still being hindered by no recovery and can't even hold leftover's ​@@gengarzilla1685

  • @TheHero136
    @TheHero136 Před 2 měsíci +23

    A Pokémon I wanna mention is Armaldo. With bug rock typing you have barely any resists and a lot of neutralities. Neutral to fire, ground, fighting, grass, flying, ice, dragon, fairy, electric, psychic, bug, ghost and dark. Weak to steel, water and rock. And the only resist you have is normal.
    With no reliable recovery and poor speed is it any wonder why Armaldo (and Crustle) for that matter are low tier garbage nowadays? The one who is decent, Kleavor, is good in spite of its typing.

  • @FirstLastname604
    @FirstLastname604 Před 2 měsíci +220

    Idk how popular this take is, but guest narrators are awesome and should be used WAY more often than April fools day

    • @NightSkyNyx
      @NightSkyNyx Před 2 měsíci +19

      Agreed, I was pleasantly surprised to see TierZoo as a guest narrator for the Tropius video since he’s probably my favorite CZcamsr at the moment but also hella unexpected since he does zoological videos lol. Hopefully we can get more guest narrators in the future as well (Jimothy Cool, Finchinator, Freezai, and maybe even Pinkacross are ones I’d like to see lol)

    • @bettyunicorn6132
      @bettyunicorn6132 Před 2 měsíci

      @@NightSkyNyx I thinking Reverent, Plauge von Karma and Big Yellow too. You know some of the big RBY CZcamsrs.

  • @MrKibitt
    @MrKibitt Před 2 měsíci +39

    Serperior not having contrary at 1:20 is hilarious.

    • @victory8928
      @victory8928 Před 2 měsíci +5

      Worry seed be like. I don’t know if that ferra was using worry seed?

  • @christiancinnabars1402
    @christiancinnabars1402 Před 2 měsíci +21

    Bringing this up for the 100th time this month, but Game Freak should bring back the type effectiveness model they introduced in Legends: Arceus.
    As in, all 4x weaknesses become 2.5x multipliers instead. This won't drag every single mon plagued with quad weaknesses out from irrelevance, but it sure would help a good number of them. Rhyperior and Golem no longer die to Water and Grass moves, Aggron could actually attempt to wall in a meta with rampant Fighting/Ground moves flying around, and Articuno, Moltres, Charizard, and every Bug/Flying type ever won't get insta-gibbed by the Edge.
    Fun fact: Rhyperior, Camerupt, Carracosta, and Revavroom would actually take less than 2x damage from double weaknesses under this change due to their abilities.

    • @cradiculous
      @cradiculous Před 2 měsíci +10

      And while they're at it, get rid of freezing and bring in Frostbite. Freeze status is such an archaic mechanic.

    • @goGothitaLOL
      @goGothitaLOL Před 2 měsíci

      What about the likes of Heatran, Gyarados, Pelipper, Volcarona, Landorus-T, Dragonite, Garchomp, Kingambit, Chien-Pao, Urshifu (Single-Strike), Calyrex (Shadow-Rider), Koraidon, Scizor, and Ferrothorn?

    • @mr.penguindrewmateo8146
      @mr.penguindrewmateo8146 Před 2 měsíci +7

      Wait, 2.5x weakness multipliers are a thing in Legends Arceus, how come I never hear anyone talk about this?

    • @alexandros5412
      @alexandros5412 Před 2 měsíci

      nah that would make pokemon like bastiodon or ferrothorn too strong with their defenses

  • @Wizard_Lizard_
    @Wizard_Lizard_ Před 2 měsíci +86

    Ice type should resist Flying.
    • Ice needs a defensive buff.
    • This isn't a big nerf to Flying offensively.
    • It thematically makes sense. Strong winds just make the cold harsher, and for most birds the act of pecking ice is ineffective.

    • @alejandrobernard3828
      @alejandrobernard3828 Před 2 měsíci +21

      I agree, I think you could easily justify adding water and dragon to that list too.

    • @RasenShot
      @RasenShot Před 2 měsíci +16

      ​@@alejandrobernard3828 Water I absolutely agree and I have been thinking this for years, but I don't know about resisting Dragon.

    • @alejandrobernard3828
      @alejandrobernard3828 Před 2 měsíci +13

      @@RasenShot I put dragon cause lizards move slower when cold, so I feel I makes sense. In terms of game balance though, it probably would be a bad idea.

    • @Endershock1678
      @Endershock1678 Před 2 měsíci +6

      @@alejandrobernard3828
      VGC player here, we don’t need a defensively competent ice type. Snow and Veil are already crazy with Ice having no meaningful resists, I can agree with ice resisting flying, but anything else would be make the typing actually pretty scary, especially with mons like Baxcalibur and Chien Pao running around.

    • @goGothitaLOL
      @goGothitaLOL Před 2 měsíci +9

      @@Endershock1678the likes of Bax and Chien-Pao is a power creep problem, not a Ice-type problem
      And how would you feel about a defensively competent Rock-type?

  • @garethlamb6923
    @garethlamb6923 Před 2 měsíci +10

    I love the Aggron line, but the two quad weaknesses really bring them down.

  • @DOYOUNOTHEWAY
    @DOYOUNOTHEWAY Před 2 měsíci +22

    The moment i saw that title i knew my boy wo chien was gonna make an apperence and as moxie said it before "pls dont make me confront my demons".

  • @DrowzeeVEVO
    @DrowzeeVEVO Před 2 měsíci +64

    This video was made by Bastiodon bruh 💀

    • @phatnana2379
      @phatnana2379 Před 2 měsíci +8

      Naw... Bastiodon would be like "hey, you need BIG defensive stats on your team... Typing isn't as important as Toxapex would let you believe"

    • @magdalenomartinezjr8805
      @magdalenomartinezjr8805 Před 2 měsíci +15

      And edited by Aurorus, written by Golem and researched by Articuno

    • @onecell5674
      @onecell5674 Před 2 měsíci +4

      ​@@magdalenomartinezjr8805to be fair to golem it isn't really ever used for its defense stat

    • @obichukwu9093
      @obichukwu9093 Před 2 měsíci

      It would also be written by Milotic and Blissey.

  • @gengarzilla1685
    @gengarzilla1685 Před 2 měsíci +84

    It will never not be strange how a Rock specialist like Brock will go on about "rock hard defense" when Rock is actually just a terrible defensive type. Go on the offensive, my dude, that's what your preferred type is good at!

    • @baxterbruce9827
      @baxterbruce9827 Před 2 měsíci +33

      In fairness, pure Rock isn't TERRIBLE defensively, it's just near constantly given antisynergistic pairs that give at least one compound weakness, making it LOOK worse than it is

    • @june9914
      @june9914 Před 2 měsíci +28

      Balancing around normal types sure is a design decision of all time

    • @baxterbruce9827
      @baxterbruce9827 Před 2 měsíci +10

      @@june9914 You're giving me flashbacks to trying to play Gen 1 and multiple non-Normal type Pokemon having no offensive moves that weren't Normal
      Like, Scyther didn't even have Wing Attack until Yellow

    • @matthewkuscienko4616
      @matthewkuscienko4616 Před 2 měsíci +6

      ​@baxterbruce9827 .............That's just dead wrong. As far as defensive types are concerned, having 5 weaknesses is already far from ideal to begin with, but at the very worst 4 of those types are good in some way, with fighting and ground being strong offensively in part to being able to hit 5 types super-effectively each, including notably the steel type for each. Water and steel are also both strong, staple types, so that's bad, too, given how commonly those 2 are seen because their typing makes them go from good to great more often than not. Even grass isn't a type you want to be weak to with things like Ferrothorn and Rillaboom running around in singles and doubles, respectively, and rock types are weak to at least a few of these examples, hence why it was featured multiple times in this video on various Pokemon. The example that kept being brought up for how good a rock type could be defensively being Regirock is only able to make it work by the virtue of it's defensive stats being so high on both ends, letting it take hits a lot better than you'd probably expect a Pokemon with such a large number of weaknesses. As for what rock brings to the table defensively that's actually valuable is mostly it's resistances to fire and flying, as poison isn't good outside of being strong versus fairy types, and normal not hitting anything for super effective damage; past that, having a special defense boost in a sandstorm is nice, but for something like Tyranitar most notably, it's this trait alongside it's solid bulk that give it the most mileage and any sort of defensive niche, and even then, it's largely Tyranitar's ability to set up sandstorm that helps it to enable the rest of it's team that gives it value most consistently when coupled with the movepool it gets. While rock does get a lot of type combinations that make it's weaknesses worse than they already are, that's in no small part because rock is a type that is quite flawed defensively to begin with, similar to how ice and normal don't add that much of value in the same regard when paired with other types

    • @skeetermania3202
      @skeetermania3202 Před 2 měsíci +10

      In the interest of fairness, that early in the game where there are usually only Normal, Poison, and Flying Pokémon, Rock is pretty “rock hard” (amirght).

  • @TheDougio
    @TheDougio Před 2 měsíci +22

    Can I just say, I absolutely love this style of thumbnail that you guys make

  • @ButFirstHeLitItOnFire
    @ButFirstHeLitItOnFire Před 2 měsíci +4

    8:10
    Imagine a Rock/Ground Pokémon with Water Absorb?
    Like you bring some WATER Pokémon to a rock or ground gym and their ace just devours all the WATER you throw at it?

  • @1stCallipostle
    @1stCallipostle Před 2 měsíci +43

    The real joke here is pretending Rock itself isn't a terrible defensive typing.

    • @determineddaaf3
      @determineddaaf3 Před 2 měsíci +4

      True, it's not great.

    • @isidorodaviddoro1920
      @isidorodaviddoro1920 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Exactly and the funny thing is that there aren't a bunch of fast rock type Pokemon that actually work as sweepers,steel types are basically a improvement Over rock types thus i see no reason no use them.

    • @Darkmagecurt
      @Darkmagecurt Před měsícem

      ​@@isidorodaviddoro1920I can only think of aerodactyl

    • @isidorodaviddoro1920
      @isidorodaviddoro1920 Před měsícem +1

      @@Darkmagecurt yup Aerodactyl is way too fast and can basically become a ice/flying and fire type killer,he even has a ability that makes him immune to recoil damage so you get Stab Brave bird and head smash without losing HP.
      Putting him aside maybe rockruff and it's s evolutions?

    • @Darkmagecurt
      @Darkmagecurt Před měsícem +1

      @@isidorodaviddoro1920 I love aerodactyl they should've made him rock dragon just like charizard should've been dragon

  • @zaleww5824
    @zaleww5824 Před 2 měsíci +6

    With mega aggron turns into pure steel with filter plus with z-a he will probably learn body press to crush everythimg with that insane def. He will be prettu useful for sure

  • @RevvySD
    @RevvySD Před 2 měsíci +8

    Having moxie has a narrator was a very cool and welcomed surprise

  • @mr.lantern1111
    @mr.lantern1111 Před 2 měsíci +11

    This is your best thumbnail so far.

  • @SemiHypercube
    @SemiHypercube Před 2 měsíci +63

    It's funny how the Steel/Rock combo (being both things known for their hardness) actually ends up being one of the worst defensive types competitively

    • @1stCallipostle
      @1stCallipostle Před 2 měsíci +32

      Rock is a horrible defensive typing in general.
      Third worst, after Ice and Bug.
      It's an offensively great typing, always saddled with defensive Pokemon and mediocre moves.

    • @saltator8565
      @saltator8565 Před 2 měsíci +13

      @@1stCallipostle Being an offensive Rock Type with an accurate STAB move is a blessing. Just look at Iron Boulder.

    • @Endershock1678
      @Endershock1678 Před 2 měsíci +6

      @@saltator8565
      Who is UU now lol

    • @terraria_ranger4887
      @terraria_ranger4887 Před 2 měsíci +15

      ​@@1stCallipostlebug is better defensively than rock is. Fighting and Ground are both very great to have as resists and Flying isn't that bad a type to be weak to.
      Meanwhile, Rock defensively... it has 5 weaknesses, including the aformentioned Fighting and Ground. Its 4 resists would be nice to compensate, if not for the fact that half of them are to *normal and poison*.

    • @yeet8036
      @yeet8036 Před 2 měsíci

      It's still good in ou,it's just only usable on ho ​@@Endershock1678

  • @specs.weedle
    @specs.weedle Před 2 měsíci +6

    poor Aggron
    it’s been two generations for it where it hasn’t been able to bypass its otherwise bad defensive typing
    and it’s insulting how it still isn’t in gen 9 despite it being very well suited to utilize terastallization

    • @MirageIslander
      @MirageIslander Před 2 měsíci +3

      at least it got a mega that fixed it for a short time
      aurorus has nothing :(

  • @avch1209
    @avch1209 Před 2 měsíci +58

    Bastiodon and Rampardos remind us that just because they have a ridiculously big statistic they are not going to be good Pokémon.

  • @Avianar80
    @Avianar80 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I deadass had to double check which channel I was watching. Super happy to see you on here Moxie!

  • @tyeus3673
    @tyeus3673 Před 2 měsíci +5

    Marcus has a perfect voice for recording videos, being born better than others goes so hard 🔥

  • @Rat_King1001
    @Rat_King1001 Před 2 měsíci +6

    I wish more content creators would do this kind of April Fools joke. I love when another creator hosts for a channel

  • @romulolopes6564
    @romulolopes6564 Před 2 měsíci +4

    Aggron makes me sad not only because the type combination is bad, but also because it wasn't a pseudolegendary, I looked at him and said, that is Tyranitar counter part. But no it is only a very cool looking pokemon that got shafted. What doesn't stop me from putting him in my team every time I played Ruby

    • @specs.weedle
      @specs.weedle Před 2 měsíci +4

      the insulting thing is that it has every single quality needed to qualify for pseudo legendary status EXCEPT base stat total. it could really benefit from having those 70 missing base stat points put into literally anything that isn’t special attack or its already extremely high defense

  • @Borax_Sensei
    @Borax_Sensei Před 2 měsíci

    FSG thank you for uploading so much you have helped me mentally and physically I finally started to love myself and I stopped biting myself now because of your videos.

  • @Fr0stySn00ze
    @Fr0stySn00ze Před 2 měsíci +5

    In gen 1, Rock + Ground was actually great. Grass & fighting moves were sparse and not very powerful, so it was really only water & ice types that you had to worry about. Plus you could essentially hard-wall any electric type not named Raichu due to their limited movepools.

    • @1stCallipostle
      @1stCallipostle Před 2 měsíci

      You seem to forget that gen 1 is gen 1.
      Everyone and their mother has 90% accurate Blizzard.
      Rhydon is in the top 10 of viability, yes. But it's not really walling.
      Also every grass type has auto-crit razor leaf against the terrible Special stat of all the Rock/Grounds.

    • @skeetermania3202
      @skeetermania3202 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@1stCallipostle They also completely wall Zapdos and can switch into Hyper Beam.

    • @Fr0stySn00ze
      @Fr0stySn00ze Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@1stCallipostle 1) ...I didn't forget? That's why I said that Ice and Water are the attacks you have to worry about. So basically Tauros & Starmie, with Cloyster & Slowbro being slightly less common. Lapras, Persian, and Articuno are pretty rare, but also notable. You aren't going to be switching in on those, but the thing is they are more than likely going to have to switch in on YOU, which sucks for them most of the time.
      2) I said they wall *electric types* not named Raichu, not "wall any type". In fact they wall electrics such as Zapdos & Jolteon so well and are usually so strong power and coverage-wise that they easily force switches, which is a huge pain for your opponent. No one (not even their Blizzard-spamming checks) wants to come into a neutral STAB EQ or RS from Rhydon's 130 ATK, nor do they want to switch into Golem's Explosion. It's mainly why Rhydon runs Substitute so it can determine the right move to knock the opponent with after the switch.
      3) "Every grass type has auto-crit razor leaf". Your last point is wrong. Eggy doesn't get it, Parasect doesn't get it, Tangela doesn't get it, and Vileplume only gets it from Tradebacks which are illegal. Only Venasaur and Victreebell get Razor Leaf in gen 1. Neither of which are very good in OU or even UU (they are currently wallowing in NU), and why beyond Eggy (which is great due to explosion, high special, & the psychic typing), grass types in gen 1 are pretty bad.
      Almost all of them have to rely on Mega Drain which has 40 base power and is useless outside of hitting rocks. Sometimes Eggy doesn't even run it due to using Psychic which does the job fine.
      Due to their ability to tank normal hits (especially predicted booms and Hyper Beam's), both walling/forcing switches 100% of the time against electrics bar Raichu, and being able to hit super hard back with their Quake-Slide coverage, Rock+Ground is a great type combo in gen 1. They're essentially THE Electric type answer.

  • @sluggknight7130
    @sluggknight7130 Před 2 měsíci +3

    wo chien's problems would be solved if it were a dark poison type

  • @mrtheminecraftminer1
    @mrtheminecraftminer1 Před 2 měsíci +3

    YOOOO MOXIE!!!!

  • @level99pidgey97
    @level99pidgey97 Před 2 měsíci

    The cross over episode I didn’t know I needed!

  • @jellobread9073
    @jellobread9073 Před 2 měsíci +1

    The moment you brought up Aggron, the only thing that came up to mind was "THE WALL! THE WALL! THE WALL!"

  • @amaurystengel
    @amaurystengel Před 2 měsíci +3

    It's funny when you realize that some types that commonly have slow Pokemon also have many weaknesses. Ice is weak to Fire, Rock, Fighting and Steel; and Rock, even though it sounds like a solid type, has five weaknesses (Water, Grass, Fighting, Ground and Steel)! Maybe if these types offered more resistances, their defensive Pokemon could be more viable.

  • @evilyoshimaster
    @evilyoshimaster Před měsícem +3

    Man, Ice Type design philosophy bugs me, because Ice is genuinely a strong typing when used offensively, but Gamefreak is just DETERMINED to keep making Ice Type walls that NEVER work. Instead of working off of the successes Ice Type has had, like Weavile and Chien-Po.

  • @gineis8105
    @gineis8105 Před měsícem +2

    Fun fact in some cases you actually deal more dmg by just using a special move instead of a physical fighting move against Aggron because his def is so much higher than his sp.def

  • @tbone6032
    @tbone6032 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I hit 1800 in OU with aggron last gen. Metal burst sturdy with stealth rocks and the option to hit a massive custap berry headsmash is kind of fun

  • @theantibulliranger1580
    @theantibulliranger1580 Před 2 měsíci +11

    Hurts to see my favorite pokemon on the thumbnail. It’s fine though, the multiple quad weaknesses are there to balance how badass Aggron’s design is.

  • @ShinyTillDawn
    @ShinyTillDawn Před 2 měsíci +3

    Seeing Serperior lose SpA from Leaf Storm in gen 7 is really cursed

  • @hug-the-raccoon
    @hug-the-raccoon Před 2 měsíci +1

    It's crazy that I found Moxie a couple months prior, and now you're collabing.

  • @sagacious03
    @sagacious03 Před 2 měsíci

    Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
    Personally, my mind had been on Magcargo for this.
    Honestly, the video talks about Rock type like it's a good defensive type, but is it?
    Also, what about the Grass or Psychic types?

  • @joshuakim5240
    @joshuakim5240 Před 2 měsíci +14

    One thing i've noticed is that a lot badly typed defensive mons have over time become "counterattack" mons instead via Metal Burst, Foul Play, and Body Press access. Gamefreak itself has realized how unusable these mons are at defense due to how garbage their typing is for that role so they retconned them into slow counter-offense mons instead, which really aren't much better since it's not hard to work around these.

    • @baxterbruce9827
      @baxterbruce9827 Před 2 měsíci +1

      What was even the goal of giving such bad typings anyway? It's a genuinely baffling move
      Like, wouldn't you want a defensively specced Mon to at least not have a typing that hurts it?

    • @ryanvandoren1519
      @ryanvandoren1519 Před 2 měsíci

      It aint much, but its honest work.

    • @KeDe1606
      @KeDe1606 Před 2 měsíci +6

      @@baxterbruce9827you could argue that, in the earlier gens (3-4), with mons like Aggron, Bastiodon, and especially the Regis, it’s just a case of them prioritizing the „theme“ over competitive viability. The competitive scene was nowhere near as big/influential as it is today, so the fact that Rock and Ice are arguably the two worst defensive types in the game didn’t really matter all that much. They *sounded* like they would be incredible, defensively speaking, and that’s all they cared about.
      That excuse doesn’t fly for current mons like the two Avaluggs (but especially the Hisuian version), Auroras, Klawf and Wo-Chien though. No clue what happened there

    • @baxterbruce9827
      @baxterbruce9827 Před 2 měsíci

      @@KeDe1606 I don't even see much that tells me rock for Aggron though, I see more just for Steel, maybe like, Steel/Fighting (And how cool would THAT be?)

    • @KeDe1606
      @KeDe1606 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@baxterbruce9827according to another comment here, the rock typing is apparently supposed to represent unrefined iron ore, which then gets refined after mega evolving (hence the removal of the rock type).
      Or, again, it’s just that rock seems like a „hard and strong“ type, befitting of a „hard and strong“ Pokémon.
      And yeah, having it be a steel + fighting mon does sound awesome, even if it’s still not that great of a defensive typing. Especially considering that the only steel + fighting types we have now are… pretty mediocre. Lucario, Cobalion and Zamazenta. What a… motley crew, that bunch

  • @MrFlame-zk5cy
    @MrFlame-zk5cy Před 2 měsíci +3

    I'm surprised you guys didn't talk about the amazing "improvements" made by hisuian avalugg

    • @iantaakalla8180
      @iantaakalla8180 Před 2 měsíci

      Honestly, I think that speaks the loudest. Hisuian Avalugg exists to look cinematic for a Noble Battle and that’s it.

  • @foundthenlost904
    @foundthenlost904 Před 2 měsíci

    I've been waiting ever since the Gholdengo Theorem for this collab. What a usually good video

  • @double2254
    @double2254 Před 2 měsíci

    Awesome seeing the avalug theorem, would love to see the reverse with offensive Pokémon excelling because of their typing, either offensively or defensively

  • @freynaise
    @freynaise Před 2 měsíci +8

    Nemona thumbnail 10/10

  • @peterpop-off
    @peterpop-off Před 2 měsíci +3

    If this was a trial for a new narrarator, they're very good 👍

  • @TehDompie
    @TehDompie Před 2 měsíci +1

    I forgot this was a FSG vid until the end lol wow

  • @lemomar
    @lemomar Před 2 měsíci +1

    I wasn’t expecting a Moxie jumpscare haha

  • @baxterbruce9827
    @baxterbruce9827 Před 2 měsíci +15

    The Aggron Theorem? Avalugg Theorem? Hisuian Avalugg Theorem? Articuno Theorem (Actually, maybe that one is "Why Legendaries aren't necessarily good")?

    • @flyingoctopus4304
      @flyingoctopus4304 Před 2 měsíci +9

      Bastiodon Theorem seems the most obvious pick here, especially since we already have a Rampardos Theorem.
      Edit; O wait, forgot we already have that one, Aggron Theorem is probably best since it's Mega Evo shows exactly why.

  • @arnae9532
    @arnae9532 Před 2 měsíci +4

    Saying Normal is a bad defensive typing because it only has a single immunity seems a bit wrong. The intro has an emphasis on resistances when clearly weaknesses are also important. The video precisely shows Steel/Rock, which has more resistances than most other type combinations but is ruined by its weaknesses. Other pokemon like Snorlax and Porygon 2 have succeeded in certain metagames thanks to only having a single weakness.
    If you needed an example of an exception that has some defensive capabilities despite a bad typing, i would say Tyranitar, Garganacl or Avalugg are better examples than Blissey

    • @Goldeneye3336
      @Goldeneye3336 Před 2 měsíci

      No, lax succeeded as setup or sweeper. P2 always succeeds on Trick Room team thanks to eviolite. Typing is not why you pick them. You have ot judge the whole kit.

    • @arnae9532
      @arnae9532 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@Goldeneye3336 They both need to be able to take hits well enough in order to function. In doubles overly defensive playstyles don't work, so having a good defensive typing serves as an enabler for a more persistent attacker or a more reliable utility role.
      In previous gen singles, middle tiers like NU-UU, would often have bulky normal types as viable options. You don't see this that often with actual bad types like rock. Normal on its own is horrible offensively, but is a usable defensive type.

    • @Goldeneye3336
      @Goldeneye3336 Před 2 měsíci

      @@arnae9532 You lost me at overly defensive playstyle not working in Doubles. I can't think you're serious past this statement sorry. Bad player mentality and it's okay. room for everyone in Pokemon, just not for you in competitive.

  • @samiamrg7
    @samiamrg7 Před 19 dny +1

    In my persobal experience (playing rom-hacks blind), I find Normal types to be quite reliable due to possessing only 1 weakness rather than weak due to having no resistances. It is harder to be surprised by a super-effective coverage move, and many normal types also have pretty wide move pools, making them fairly flexible.

  • @ladonmccabe
    @ladonmccabe Před 2 měsíci

    Good video, and all that jazz

  • @hen883
    @hen883 Před 2 měsíci +3

    This narrator is pretty cool he should make a yt channel and bring wo chien to every regional

  • @cv7368
    @cv7368 Před 2 měsíci +3

    I feel like Gamefreak keeps trying to balance pokemon with good defense stats by giving them terrible typings, but don't realize that typing is pretty much the only thing that matters when being defensive.
    Quagsire and Swampert don't have amazing stats but are great walls because they have good typings.

  • @Rin_husband
    @Rin_husband Před 2 měsíci

    I love these guys who knows how to make funni ass thumbnails

  • @Qaos
    @Qaos Před 5 dny

    Given the upload date, I was fully expecting this video to be "Just look at Swampert! It's utterly ruined by its *quadruple* weakness to Grass!" and similar sentences

  • @abraham-kun4144
    @abraham-kun4144 Před 2 měsíci +16

    Aggron being a Rock-type doesn't make sense because he has no rock parts on his body, and his mega fixed that removing the non-sensical Rock-type, in Gen 8, it's expected to remove the Rock typing, but it didn't.

    • @joshuakim5240
      @joshuakim5240 Před 2 měsíci +16

      The Rock typing is meant to a reference to iron ore, and its mega evolution "refines" the ore into pure Steel. It still absolutely screws over Aggron but there is at least some thematic premise for screwing it over.

    • @abraham-kun4144
      @abraham-kun4144 Před 2 měsíci

      @@joshuakim5240 No, it doesn't, because if the Rock-typing was removed, actually it improved greatly his viability as a offensive tanker.

    • @KeDe1606
      @KeDe1606 Před 2 měsíci +5

      ⁠@@abraham-kun4144(they meant that the partial rock typing was screwing it over, not it‘s removal)

    • @CTback
      @CTback Před 2 měsíci

      Ground/Steel
      4 weaknesses (0 4x weaknesses) inc. a weakness against...ground?
      1 immunity
      8 resistances (1 .25 resistance) inc. a resistance against...steel?

    • @skeetermania3202
      @skeetermania3202 Před 2 měsíci

      @@abraham-kun4144 Do recall that not everyone plays the game competitively.

  • @ed765super
    @ed765super Před 2 měsíci

    Huzzah! Mox Swipe Gaming is back!

  • @Greyspecies9999
    @Greyspecies9999 Před měsícem +1

    i don't think i've ever seen a legendary look less legendarious, as wo-chien
    probably, i'm sure there were other good examples in the past i forget

  • @nv_mj
    @nv_mj Před měsícem +2

    Atleast they did aggron somwhat right through his mega. Kinda wish they removed like 20 from his speed and 20 from his spatk and gave it to his special defence

  • @larrywoolfolk8224
    @larrywoolfolk8224 Před 2 měsíci

    It's also interesting to hear about gen 1 and gen 2 competitive, especially since it's all retroactive as anyone who was old enough to comprehend pokemon at the competitive level we know now when gen 1/2 where brand new probably long stopped playing pokemon before it became as big as it did or out grew it.

  • @VeraExora
    @VeraExora Před měsícem +1

    Aggron when the ground does a Lil shimmy

  • @dejonjanuary488
    @dejonjanuary488 Před 2 měsíci

    You know when things are going crazy its nice just to have 'the usual narrator yes definitely the we always had' just for normalcy

  • @javierdurini
    @javierdurini Před 2 měsíci

    Yooo moxie...I mean totally the usual narrator was great

  • @eeeeee-nk7ts
    @eeeeee-nk7ts Před 2 měsíci +1

    I got into this video thinking "Well, I've seen enough Moxie Boosted, I'm gonna watch another pokemon youtuber" just to find this ._.

  • @Stairwayafter
    @Stairwayafter Před 2 měsíci +2

    There is a pokemon fangame that grabbed every steel/rock type and changed the typing to something else. Ex. Bastidon is pure steel with buffed hp and recovery, absolutely busted wall or aggron who is now steel/dragon

    • @liqid4171
      @liqid4171 Před 13 dny

      whats the fangame called

    • @Stairwayafter
      @Stairwayafter Před 12 dny

      @@liqid4171 eternal order, the game is done and can be played on mobile however it's an old version so to get the full game, play it on PC.

  • @Nomz41
    @Nomz41 Před 2 měsíci +1

    A crossover episode!

  • @pyroli00000
    @pyroli00000 Před 2 měsíci

    I almost had a heart attack when I heard Moxie boosted in a false swipe gaming video

  • @ohhi687itsme8
    @ohhi687itsme8 Před 2 měsíci +1

    The thumbnail is way too god lmao

  • @cparle87
    @cparle87 Před měsícem +1

    When a pokemon has to mega evolve to shed one of its types to make itself better you know that something is wrong with its typing to begin with.

  • @BlackBeartic229
    @BlackBeartic229 Před 2 měsíci

    It's gotta be fate that I didn't recognize Marcos's voice til exactly Wochien was talked about.
    And yes, i was looking away at the beginning when his icon appeared so i missed it LOL
    Awesome video though

  • @electricduo4802
    @electricduo4802 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I have been watching Moxie and false swipe gaming a lot, I didn't realize that it was Moxie on a false swipe gaming video

  • @MultiWolfLink
    @MultiWolfLink Před 2 měsíci +1

    Aggron has been my favorite pokemon since ruby, he has and always will be my melted nuclear reactor ruined by earthquakes 😭🙏

  • @eyoshinthemaximum
    @eyoshinthemaximum Před 2 měsíci

    This was quite a standard video from our standard narrator!

  • @KingAtomsk
    @KingAtomsk Před 2 měsíci +1

    Then Arceus said: "Forgive me, my child." And bestowed upon Aggron a Mega Stone.

  • @anuragkat66
    @anuragkat66 Před měsícem

    I will always love our Usual Narrator Kevin, even when he has throat issues🙌

  • @sryberg16
    @sryberg16 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Popped-off when I heard Moxie Boosted’s voice

  • @BoBnfishy
    @BoBnfishy Před 2 měsíci

    I'm glad we still have the same narrator

  • @peterholmes7440
    @peterholmes7440 Před 2 měsíci

    For a moment I thought I clicked on a Moxie Boosted video but then I remembered it is our usual narrator and I got reassured.

  • @natecgames4612
    @natecgames4612 Před měsícem

    One of my favorite things about the ice typing is that its selling point is that it's offensive capabilities threaten so many powerful pokemon in the series in general, but because the only type ice resists is ice and there are four competitively viable types that threaten ice in return, the most common thing about the ice type you see in actual competitive is ice type coverage from nonice types or ice types that get carried by a secondary type, that type never having a downside to losing the ice typing.

  • @MSCDonkeyKong
    @MSCDonkeyKong Před měsícem

    10:15 I like to think that being both a rock and steel implies that in the spots where they're overlapping, there's a structural weakness that can be exploited.

  • @kanauso3706
    @kanauso3706 Před 2 měsíci

    False Swipe always posting bangers.

  • @zacharyseiders5793
    @zacharyseiders5793 Před 2 měsíci +1

    The big thing Articuno has in a snow team, that the others can't do, is the Snow Cloak. In addition to every other buff.
    Because if they can't hit you, you don't got to tank the flames.

  • @felipearrais5415
    @felipearrais5415 Před měsícem

    I didn't know this Moxie dude but his voice is really nice to listen to. Nice mix-up