What's Happening With F1 Esports?
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- čas přidán 8. 02. 2024
- In this video I tell you everything that's going on with the shambles that is F1 Esports, both officially and behind the scenes.
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bad game => less players => smaller audience => worse quality
bro what are you yapping about this is one of the best game in f1 history
@@donatoboccia8765 It's only a great game handling wise. The rest is basically F1 2015 Update 9.0. The fact we don't even have actual manual pitstops or manual inlaps upon race completion boggles the mind.
@@donatoboccia8765but they’ve already pissed away their audience after a couple of disappointing entries. people don’t want to keep buying bad games forever
not suprise with the fact that this game use the same engine since F1 2015 (Ego Engine 4.0)
@@donatoboccia8765😂😂 funny joke
Can we all admit that this is over. F1 isn't going to pay travel costs and telling all of them what they can use on their own streams isn't going to fly. It's done
It was good while it lasted.
@@BoliveiraNTPW yes it was. Sucks F1 balked on the deal the agreed to
@@BoliveiraNTPWno it was want, the game is just ridiculous!
Use a real simulation like rfactor2 or iRacing and then it would become interesting.
But that stupid little F1 game which was mode for console people with controllers?
Hell nah
why not just host 1 LAN event per year. 7 days 21 tracks. Done.
Its crazy that there were F1 esports at all. The game isn't up to it, never has been.
It was great during covid and it’s dying out again now
the brand and the entertainment around makes the product
@@iwanevans607i am afraid F1 Esports could gone forever in 2024 if they cant improve.
Too many bugs.
No live stewarding.
Rules seemingly changing from race to race.
This game was never up to snuff. It was the sheer popularity of F1 and the lockdowns that allowed it to even get big for the 3 or so years it did.
Thanks Alex. F1 management are a bunch of you know what heads basically. En masse we should all let them know how we feel on their socials
Jarno did say that this is his off season right now on one of his streams, it appears F1 eSports 2023 is done for the year.
So Ronhaar is champion with 100% win rate?
@@kingofmemes5017more like f1 Bahrain gp champion 2023 cauz only one race
@@kingofmemes5017 He is the champion, without the title, money or recognition associated with winning an esports f1 championships.
So no, he isn't a champion.
No wonder he kept saying in a video it's his off-season this year,makes sense
Finally someone talking about this!
He’s not the first one we already know all of this……..
Teams were required to use all the same Fanatec gear? No wonder there is no more f1 esports, the teams are still waiting for their shipment to arrive 😭💀
You can’t hold a « simracing » event on an arcade game with a very bad spectator mode.
Simracing enthusiasts won’t care and F1 fans will watch the real event.
All the parties have to do a better a job for it to be sustainable, from the game developers to the drivers (better communication and some work on the charisma).
I mean the f1 game have never been up to spec for esports, its too unstable
I agree, other games are so superior in terms of drive ability and just overall quality
Woah woah woah. "Should be the pinnacle of Sim racing." F1 is a good game, but not a Sim. There are other Sims out there that bring in way more participants and consistency. The problem with the f1 games is they release a new one every year, which in my opinion, was the downfall for CODs pro scene. It's a casual game for casual users. Max doesn't hop on the F1 game. He hops on something entirely different.
It feels like post covid, the hype of simracing and esports has fallen. At Autosport Intl a lot of brand representatives were telling me they had lost interest in simracing - it didn't make financial sense, didn't bring in viewers and once simracers have a rig...they don't really need to buy another and don't all want to spend £1000s on mega rigs.
if done properly, this whole series could have continued growing easily. online content is so easy to view, you can use so many channels to interact with your audience. the brands behind the scenese could market accordingly. Covid would have been considered an accelerator to a success, but now it’s obviously a different situation with the image loss they all took.
I am sure they actually missed a massive opportunity there.
@@riquelmeone You say that, but no simracing league has ever been even slightly popular. There's CZcamsrs streaming F1 2023 that get more views then the F1 eSports. F1 eSports just wasn't entertaining enough. They never had the production value, so why not just watch a random streamer? Your viewing experience was largely the same watching a CZcamsr league.
For me a simple truth is that it is much better to play the game than watch .
and if you are going to play then you would choose a better experience than the F1 franchise offering.
@@CharlesFreck I never watched a youtuber league but was looking forward to the F1 esports competition. Can’t imagine that I’m the only one
Nah, iRacing keeps growing and growing
Thanks for this. I think the 700K views on the video itself speak volumes, also PSGL and WOR's audience.
My take on this is that f1 see this as something they can use to generate money rather than what it really is and thats PR and marketing for their real life series. They are making the same mistake as Indycar.
it’s crazy to think that there are no commercially minded people clever enough to make this whole thing a success. I mean, the previous years saw a gradual improvement on the content, drivers brought their own audience from streaming platforms, the formula 1 brand is there. Is that not a great foundation to make the next step? The idea of F1 esports world championships should be enough already to have someone sort it out properly.
I think that the travel cost is just a scapegoat excuse. There must be more going on behind the scenes.
Crazy to think that in this digital age they cannot market a digital product. I for one would have been a loyal viewer.
Just how Brandon Leigh won his first title still is a fantastic piece of entertainment. Shame there won’t be more in the foreseeable future.
Wow thank you for detail explanation Alex,..... and R.I.P. F1 eSports
We had good chance to show sim racing but F1/EA/codies and MSG blew it big time
Just EA and Codies really, thw moment they give a functional game game to the public is where things may turn around.
How would an F1 23 eSports competition even work with 2024 F1 liveries being released and many F1 teams changing names?
Probably either do nothing or like years past finish the season already by now (with most finishing in late December but as they only started this years championship in late November that probably wasn't going to happen anyway. The other thing they could have done is just add in the new liveries (maybe just for the esports drivers) like how they added in the McLaren triple crown livery or the RB white livery in F1 2021
Always doubted any more races would have happened just by looking at the "Dreamhack Winter 2023 Champion" graphic when they introduced Thomas Ronhaar at the end of the race for the celebrations.
@4:50 this is absolutely nuts. I don't blame anyone who refuses to comply with such an overreaching and intrusive demand
Very well-structured video, big up Alex!
I think for Ronhaar he got the lan event he needed to prove his innocence so I guess theres not really any drivers that cares about lan anymore
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He still cheated before
@@fabian8269 still hangin on to that theory huh
@@marco_1909 When 2nd place was using all his ERS and cutting the track as much as possible, and Ronhaar was saving ERS and tyres... I kinda find that suspicious
cutting the track doesnt equate lap time,some corners especially in bahrain costs you more time. And secondly that race the guy chasing (nico) had drained his battery, someone with more than 10% ers and not using would be faster. Literally how the game works.@@joshuawhelan9358
I got the trophy for completing 23 races last night. Only what, 6 or 8 months into the cycle? What a game lmao
You've got to feel for the drivers who spent their whole time practicing and grinding the codemasters f1 games, if F1 e-sports or the game itself dies out well they're kind of screwed unless PSGL, WOR, and other racing leagues keep running.
This is a crazy situation
I find it funny that a random card game most haven't heard of, Shadowverse, has a higher paid esports scene than F1. (Prize pool alone in Shadowverse's esports is/was a million.)
Even better news for creator series!
EA F1 series is far from pinnacle of anything. A game that you can completely ignore track limits in some areas of the track to post insane lap times
Haha. I totally forgot this was even a thing. I assume a chunk of people have forgotten about it as well. Way to cash in on the hype, whoever it is that's running the thing.
Sad thing is that so many drivers sweat all year, some not even getting paid, and it was all for naught.
I am also wondering where eSports go 🤔
i was wondering what was going on just last night, perfectly timed vid!
Its good if this is ending. Esports drivers have given enough reasons for EA to not upgrade their game like we saw during 2009-2015. The quality of the game has gone down the hill and if esports ends, ea will have to do something else for fans to be interested in the game.
Liberty Media are valued at 21 Billion dollars. Formula One valued themselves at 17 Billion dollars. The fact they are not paying is downright disgusting, they should be paying for at least:
ALL prize money
Travel
Accommodation
Equipment
Venues
It literally would not be a dent in their pockets.
Lol there's no such thing as "enough money" to these major corporations
@@apophisstr6719 Unfortunately true
All of that expenditure would require a profit from the viewership, which I assume they’re not getting. You think they’d pass on a chance of making profit? Or just pay for all of these expenses with no profit just out of the goodness of their hearts? Lol. Whether the reasoning for the lack of viewership and retention is their fault, is another discussion. They have to take some of the blame for that. EA take the other chunk.
Get away from EA for starters. Switch to iRacing, and work with the dev's to allow custom paints on the Merc F1 cars.
Its much more fun to watch the Endurance GT3 and normal Porsche Carrera races on iRacing. Much more competition and great battles and racing. Espec the 24hrs or Daytona recently and the Porsche Cup and Carrera races this weelend on the Porsche Twitch accounts 👊 TeamRedline's account on Twitch shows almost all of them too cos every race some of their drivers compete in it 💪
RIP F1 Esports
1-There’s not enough money to support LAN events.
2-Nobody trusts people racing from home.
No season this year then?
How about custom modded liveries for the teams? This way they could bring own sponsors.
The state of the F1 Esports is just a mirror of the state of the franchise. The game was already going downhill and with EA buying Codemasters it didn't got better. If anything it got worse.
This game needs a complete overhaul, new code from scratch , competent devs and THEN focus on Esports.
I only know something wrong seeing in-game "Coming soon" for F1 Esports
A distinction to be made is: F1-23 is a “game” through and through. If they “liberty media” wanted to do it right they would have had something created on a true Sim Digital platform like iRacing. LMG wanted to package the consumer off the shelf product as something it wasnt because it’s cheaper, easier, and if it fails the loss is minimized.
I was about to say that it's all down to money and promoters wanting more money...
Promoters pay fees to license the esports championship. Promoters sign sponsors to pay for the contest and the promoters get profit.
I’m guessing F1 esports isn’t profitable whatsoever.
IMO here are the possibilities.
F1 Esport will need to be its own entity. Governing itself controlling budgets for each team with a budget cap. It will provide the facilities to support all the teams during a race. This entity will have its own sponsors, as well as individual teams having their own sponsors. The equipment should be standardized based upon the contractual agreement between F1 Esport and F1. The big question is which F1 entity should have the responsibility of managing that contract between itself and F1 Esports.
It can be "The Formula One Group" which manages the F1 constructors championship, or it can be " The Formula 1 Teams" which manages the funding for the team commercially. Now thinking about this maybe the issue at the moment with moving forward. Well let's see what happens and I hope this gets cleared up soon because there's a demand and we all miss it, that includes the Esports drivers and teams.
F1 went for short term gain over long term investment and growth 😢. Hope they will be back with esports in the future.
Had no idea where to watch at all. You could also tell players were forced not to criticize because all the videos were like, "It's terrible what's going on. What's going on is honestly not good. It's what's going on. But I am grateful for the opportunity and we can turn what's going on around. It will be good, but it's not good right now. But it can be good!" But never saying what is bad or anything that was going on.
It made the entire esport look like a clownshow. Also LOOOL that a simcade would be the pinnacle of simracing.
Having played the game for over 300 hours and found it unable to keep track of which lap a car is on when the race starts or what grid position a car might need to be in, with occasionally several cars starting inside one another in the same grid spot... I doubt the game is anywhere near ready on a technical level for eSports of any kind.
As F1 we feel that we can add more value to F1 esports than F1 esports can add to F1 and for that reason we are denying a truly market expanding opportunity until we can reconsider until 2026. At that point maybe GM/Cadallic can bring us a fully fledged F1 Esports
Thomas Ronhaar F1 Esports Champion 2023, with 1/1 Race wins. 😎😂😂
750k is not worth getting up on a weekday for F1... They litterally shit millions....
The fact they aren’t using iRacing is all you need to know…
Thank you for not holding my breath.
As someone that has worked in esports, nothing irks me more than people spelling it "eSports" or "Esports" in the middle of a sentence.
Esports at the start of a sentence,
esports everywhere else.
It's pretty crazy to think that a game as janky and outdated as the F1 series was ever able to host the the biggest sim racing events out there to begin with. Especially now that the game is in the hands of EA I don't ever see it coming back to be honest. It's all about making easy money from the F1 name for them, not about the quality of the game.
Bro I've wondered what happened to F1 esports. I just remember the guy getting accused of cheating and then he won IRL and "shhh'd" the crowd, then everything just disappeared lol
Lmao that is a meme
Thomas has a 100% win record in this season 💪
I've missed F1 esports. I'm glad someone is talking about it!
5:35
Because that a huge amount of money.
You dont do stuff when the cost to start is higher than anything you get out of.
Suddenly requiring everyone to be on sight, but not willing to pay for that to happen is exactly how you drive out teams and drivers involved.
This is quite literally a "Cut your losses, close the series" move. They do not see the value in financing it, losing money on it. Half a million clicks does not put lights on - or let them stay on.
But instead of just closing shop they have a last attempt of money grabbing with new contracts in place and an already positioned scapegoat (drivers unwilling to "take one for the team").
Im almost certain this kinda bullshittery is required so that everyone on the board can get their severance and can claim "We tried but due to unforseen complications...."
6:37
They dont need that CZcamsr, they rather have nobody talk about it, do not start a conversation, let contracts run out, severance pay to be made and move on.
Ive seen stuff like this in the business world all the time, everything from start to finish was purposefully done to stop that thing altogether, but without having to say publicly that they dont care enough to hammer money for it (i can not see how any of this is or was profitable whatsoever). Which is, from a business perspective, entirely normal and understandable (hopefully for everyone) but coorperations just cant help themselves to be the worst communicators out there (although, again, sometimes on purpose)
Great video
So Thomas officially f1 esports 2023 wc
So... in conclusion, Ronhaar = champion?
Most of the top drivers have already made the swtich to iRacing
0:40
Standard practice.
But why do you take so long to inform us? But thank you for letting us know, finnaly someone not on the payroll speaking out. Great technical factual feedback like all your videos.🎉
I truely thought Esports was a professional series? can some one or someparty not take legal actions on this and get things moving along ?
No if theres no money or profit being made. Itts a console game, simple as thT.
So Ronhaar is Champion?
F1 isn't a sim at all. It is a sim cade at best. As long as the game is developed towards gamepad users, it will never change.
Well atleast we got china 2021 and mexico 2021 and usa 2021 all great races
Brought to you by Jarno Goatmeer
@@thrasherdave1428 yupppppp
Don't know why they just can't be upfront and forward by everybody..
Why don’t they switch to I racing?
For it to even try to compete to be the pinnacle of E-Sports sim racing they need a proper simulator first...
3:02 the actual correct capitalization is actually... "esports" (lol). "Esports" can also be used in certain situations, but "eSports" should never be used nowadays.
Anyway, nice summary, and nice short video. I will agree that this was absolute shambles, and unfortunately, I can't really see the way out, especially on F1 23 game; I think we are way too late into game cycle for that.
I think the best case scenario would be to sell the F1 esports rights to some company as you mentioned (like EA themselves) so that they could actually organize it, but, considering how much does FOM regulate the F1 games already, I don't think that's possible...
So, I think that if Formula 1 doesn't eventually reach an agreement until Autumn, the official F1 esports series is as good as dead and we're back to square 2, with PSGL/WOR/other premier leagues doing their own things.
You're talking absolute BS. eSports is the correct spelling. Always has been, always will be.
@@CharlesFreck I don't really know why you think this, but since 2017 it was agreed in general that the correct term that should be used is "esports" ("Esports" can also be used in certain situations), not "eSports" or "e-sports". Feel free to fact-check using Google or Wikipedia.
No one sends "eMail" or "e-mail". the esports argument name is pretty old.@@CharlesFreck
this situation needs to be investigated and people responsible for bad decisions held accountable
Probably a driver boycott of Ronhaar.
First they Need to make a proper F1 sim game with nice physics and graphics. Raise prize money to at least 1m, make all events happened in one country and in one place, provide a place for living, make a nice broadcast without too much concentration on commentators, but with more action on track (like in a real F1).
Psgl and wor is the new e sports and tbh they do a way better job.
It was about time LAN racing came back, but the execution here was a total mess.
It's F1 and EA. Honestly, what did we expect...
The F1 game was not meant for esports, it has simcade physics besides it was made for a more casual gaming side. Still, why does the organization don't use actual esports teams instead of real ones? It would be fun to see 26 racers on track and the brands choosing if they would want to see them in the competition or not. It would still be fun to see an F2 series featuring new players into the esports series though.
Another thing is the realism, why not using VR and cockpit camera instead of the tv pod camera? Besides, they use direct drive wheels, I don't know why they didn't implement this.
Agree, the more realism they use, even if it's just cockpit cam would go a long way to bring anybody outside the community.
Pretty pathetic from F1 to be so stubborn about such a relatively small amount of money, as far as transportation goes.
You obviously have no idea of the value of money. When you can't make a profit, you don't want to be spending thousands of dollars on travel costs.
@@justinsmith4562 Travel expenses for every person they'd have to do it for could literally just come out of the total prize pool. It's very easy to have it happen without spending a single penny more than what they had allotted for the series.
Please do a little critical thinking before you decide to respond.
Thomas discourse basically killed the game 🔥
I know it seems that a lot of the problems are related to F1, but isn't it interesting that yet again problems start coming in just as EA enters the picture?
They should just have the entire championship at one location over the course of a week. Whats with all the travel and expenses??
Matches my IRL experience with the FIA as a marshal...
They are a complete sh*tshow. Ive NEVER seen any other event being this incredibly reckless and badly organised. We had no firemarshal the first half day and after that I was radio AND fire marshal... Try operating the radio with those 3 layer gloves, its a joke.
Had somebody come to our (2 marshal post, by regulation every post has at least 3 marshals or the event wont start) we could have done either nothing or grilled ourself on the electronics. Great choice!
And yes, they knew about it. I radioed in several times and in the morning the safety car inspects the track and ALL marshals. They obviously deemed it "good enough".
There was way more stuff going wrong, but I think this takes the cake.
If they give no f*s when lifes are at stake, Id be surprised if they cared about eSports...
Seems like eSports F1 recently got tons of problems now.
Well that’s what happens when your entire community tries to kick out a “cheater” and then that “cheater” proceeds to dominate in a LAN race😭😭😭
You would first need a good F1 game to have decent esport races...
Because of the Natur of the Game, EA's F1 will never be pure Simulator and only to this reason will never be the top Dog of simracing.
it is like child with woodsword running to a groups of Knights and tells them IT will fight the Battle by their Side. U can't Take IT serious.
Want is serious? The Drivers and Team! they know want they are doing.
Somehow Sim Racing is having the same problems as real life Racing. That's crazy and stupid.
Demand isn't there. 700k views is a lot but this is the sole broadcast for the world. Demand isn't measured in pure viewing numbers, it is measured in how much he viewer will spend. 700,000 views alone isn't going to generate a lot of revenue. There are CZcamsrs with one camera filming themselves critiquing films getting more views, and they aren't sitting on fortunes that could cover the cost of these in-person event, let alone prize money.
Alex Gillon ESports Champ 2025
Imo F1 aren’t taking it serious because they don’t take the racing serious, and I kinda agree, I personally don’t take it serious because the drivers all use the t cam, which when compared to cockpit like I racing, it’s just not the same thing, it’s way easier and doesn’t use much real race craft to take seriously
Imo they need to mandate cockpit cam for all participants, then real race fans and drivers can take it somewhat seriously, and when that happens, f1 will see the drivers like it and will start taking it more seriously
And they need to build up the admin/production tools, eg allow advanced controls for spectators/canera operators, then events can happen on a larger scale because the production can be controlled
Pinnacle of simracing lol
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Racing eSports needs to happen in serious games, like iracing or acc. It's literally idiotic to host it on a console game, when 99% of sim racers are on pc.
I personally think that EA should host the series. They could do so much more with the series and could make it more entertaining!
Oh please. Haven't you seen what they've done to FIFA?
@@thrasherdave1428 I think fifa eSports is quite entertaining. Although EA are money grabbing thiefs I do think them hosting an event for F1 eSports could be a shout
Let's face it, it exists cause of lockdown and was never gunna last very long once F1 came back
I'd rather watch Formula-E.
EA's F1 is ... moderately stable and modern but it's way too arcade to make it interesting as an esport. Also fuck EA for removing every old F1 version from Codemasters in stores.
Switching to something like iRacing is impossible because on the visual side it's 20 years behind and on a technical level it's a bigger mess than Windows ME. Why do people even pay that subscribtion to drive around a car that moves every 2seconds in the netcode.
The only reason people watched F1 esports is because during covid actual F1 drivers did it. And in the end we were disappointed anyway after a half hour delay for the races to start and the game dropping all drivers within a few laps of actual racing.
This aged like milk...
I watched like one event before and it was such a joke. Wild hearing ESL got involved though ha. They do a good job with dota.
I respect esports and i respect sim racing but something about racing esports just cant clear the bar for me. Its less than the sum of its parts.
Either way, I'm wondering how this series managed to survive for so long with the EA F1 title. As far as I know, there is neither an anti-cheat in F1 nor were people really punished who were caught cheating. I don't remember exactly what the guy's name is, but in his stream you could clearly see that he was using cheats and he then said on Twitter that EA had asked him to test something during the qualification xD From that point on the series was completely dead for me.
F1 needs to bring back Geoff Crammond
A couple of things besides cheaters…. ;)…. It is a game, it is not a sim. Then also they never drive from the cockpit. Just plain stupid events meaning absolutely nothing and has nothing to do with sport
Willing to guess that F1 esports simply isn’t profitable enough to continue being ran. I’d even be willing to guess it actively loses money.