LGBT issues of faith - musical performance and talk | Jennifer Knapp | TEDxUniversityofNevada
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- What more can be said about LGBT issues? In this musical performance and talk, Jennifer Knapp acknowledges LGBT issues have come a long way, but coming out is still a social struggle, especially for Christians or people of other faiths.
Jennifer Knapp was at the height of her career when she did what most would consider unthinkable: she took a seven-year hiatus, looking to reclaim a part of herself that felt lost in her success. But that period of soul-searching made her songwriting more honest than ever. After her highly anticipated return Letting Go, she has solidified a loyal fan base through remarkably accessible songwriting that bridges across genres. Her transition from Contemporary Christian Music to mainstream folk rock has made her a lightning rod for controversy, but her unique ability to speak gracefully to music lovers from all walks of life fills a void in the unlikely intersection between the faith and LGBT communities. Today we find Jennifer experiencing a personal renaissance with a much broader platform than ever before: recording a new album entitle Set Me Free, becoming one of the foremost advocates for LGBT people of faith, and releasing a memoir Facing the Music: My Story on Howard Books/Simon and Schuster.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at ted.com/tedx
I listened to her music as a teenager struggling to reconcile my feelings with a religious upbringing that told me to hate myself. when Jennifer Knapp came out, as a lesbian Christian, I had hoped, for the first time, that my parents might not hate me if I told them who I really am.
I never knew she was but dont care.
Your parents could never hate you. They may be disappointed for a bit but parents love is unconstitutional you cannot live a lie it will hurt you mentally to be forced to be someone you are not.
@@thing2204 you do realize that your statement saying that your parents can never hate you is not true I know a ton of people who their parents literally hated their child their parents could care less if their kid died or not so don't tell someone that their parents never hated them because parents love you unconditionally that's not true that is unfortunately not the truth there are parents out there who hate the our parents out there who would destroy their child if they are given a chance
@@jarsonfalconsmusic sadly I do I was just trying to be sensitive. My parents have never liked me. But it don't mean you should live a lie to make others happy. I had to break the silence we all do at some point mine is a totally different subject though.
This is such a beautiful testament. You are loved unconditionally. 💜
I don't care if she's gay or not, she's still a great musician and huge inspiration.
jennifer, I grew up with your music, and everything you said and sang here resonated with my heart. someday I hope to meet you, and hug you, and thank you in person.
2020 edit: As a closeted teen, every vitriolic thing I heard my church and family say about your coming out felt like it was directed at me, too. You are my Champion for living your authentic truth and facing that hatred from the group that was supposed to show you God's love. It's people like you that make me feel immense Pride when I fly my eight-color flag.
I totally understand. I thought hmmm maybe the church will get a better understanding but NOT
Jennifer, I am proud to be a fan of yours! I even met you one time when you were on tour with Jars of Clay, I had front row seats to your concert :) When it came out in the media that you were gay, I didn't know what all the fuss was about, to me it didn't matter. I like you as a person, as a song writer, as a singer, as a child of God!! Jesus told us to love one another and that to me means everybody! It really saddens me when people who follow Jesus can have such hate toward certain people and think that it is ok. Thank you for spreading the message of love for all
so much love jenn!!! it's wonderful to have you back-but even more wonderful that you can stop hiding yourself /hug
I'm an atheist but I have a major in music so I can always appreciate music. I've been a fan since Kansas came out. More of a fan now that she can be herself 🏳️🌈
I STRUGGLE WITH THE FACT THAT IM GAY AND A CHRISTIAN EVERYDAY - TO THE POINT I CONSIDERED SUICIDE -I COMMEND YOU AND ADMIORE YOUR FAITH AND STRENTH
Stay strong and walk in God's loving peace.
Keri Bransom Stay strong, with or without god.
***** You say that because her struggle means nothing to you. Clearly she is trying to reconcile prominent parts of identity, but you are advocating for her to simply throw a part of herself away...like that is somehow the answer to her conflict.
I assume that you would be displeased if someone voiced the converse opinion "stay strong, and just get over your gay problem", but the crux of your advice is the same. Don't be so insensitive.
HamsterSlime007 You better get a couple of senses yourself before you judge others. I know Jennifer Knapp very well since I was a Christian in the past, and I would support her as a Christian, just as I support her today as a non-theist. Your opinion "stay strong and get over your gay problem" is the evidence of insensitivity. I'm not "displeased" by opposite opinion, in this case I'm rather disgusted by the very idea that some of us would think they have any business in other people's bedroom, or how they make sense of their lives and how they pursue happiness in love.
Don't judge other people like that, "Michael Jackson". You are not in a position to criminalize or 'satanize' someone you don't even know.
I read her autobiography and it's such a moving, powerful and wonderful story. I loaned it to my mother afterward and she's read it twice over, learning more about faith and sexual orientation and how the two coexist. I've been so encouraged by her. Love you Jenn!
I absolutely love your music. no judgment here. Your music has gotten me though some stuff tough times. plz keep singing!!! I agree we all coukd use some education on this issue.
The craziest thing is that some people think that religion and being LGBT are somehow mutually exclusive.
They are...cant serve two masters thats the problem..Christianity isnt a religion its a paradigm..worldview...a kingdom ....you cant be in the Taliban claiming to love America...
cx45830 Maybe you should read the bible. The Bible is very clear on this.
And they are absolutely right.
Gee, I wonder why..
Why exactly can't you be LGBTQIA and Christian?
I loved Jennifer before she came out and I still love her now.
"Let he that is without sin among you, cast the first stone".
Its not us that judge her... its Romans Chapter 1.
Actually, we, as Christians, are not to judge unbelievers, but the word is clear that we in the church are to hold each other to a higher level of accountability. If I see my brother sinning I am commanded to go to them and confront that sin, and if they will not repent, the church is supposed to enact discipline.
But browbeating and degrading anyone in public for any sin never won anyone to Christ. It's all about wisdom, love, and praying, asking for the power and truth of the Holy Spirit to illuminate someone's heart.
The Bible is a human construct of the church over the first few centuries, so Romans 1 is only a matter of opinion and interpretation.
Jesus finished that conversation by saying, "go and sin no more."
This is one reason I am so proud to be an atheist. I wouldn't throw stones at LGBT people. Being the T in LGBT makes me even less likely.
I LOVE what she says about bridging the proximity gap. So important to diminishing the damaging and uneducated prejudices that plague so many social and cultural environments.
I'm a straight christian and grew up on Jennifer's music. Personally I think her music now is just as great as it was before she came out. Lol. And that's all I really care about. I always have and always will admire her as a musician.
Ur album was gifted to me in 2000 by my choir director staying the USA and led me to finding my style....i wish u all the best
I had your album, Kansas. Elated to hear from you my sister in Christ. You got guts, girl!
Jennifer is an excellent singer, guitarist and songwriter. I enjoy her music much. The raw emotion in her songs is amazing.
Jennifer you have always been a huge inspiration to me! Your voice is like gold. Such a pleasant beautiful rich sound. So glad u got to do a Ted talk! Congrats!!!
As an LGBT Christian myself i honor her honesty and being authentic. Her songs have gotten me through some very hard times in my life and i know God has used her in my life. God said je would use the willing, he did not say they had to perfect or straihjt.
The bible is the standard, it is also one that no human can fulfill, that is why Jesus had to come. When the church at large get off their high thrones and realize we are all sinners saved by grace and God can use anyone He so chooses.
There Is no such thing as a LGBT christian
AmazingFAITH1 it states in the bible that it is a sin
AshandAri Reviews thank you.. but if you study the greek and Aramehic that it was written in, you will understand that the word homosexual did not exist until 1963. Also in john 3:16..whosever there means what ever manner of mankind be willing to acknowledge the Cross as a means of Grace and forgiveness. In pauls vision the word clean means washed and forgiven. Therefore who are we to say who God has fovgiven and washed based on their faith in the cross? Our job as christians is to tell the Gospel story, not judge people and let God deal with heart amd convictions of mankind..
Chris Christian doesn't have to use the word "homosexual" just man lying with another man and j agree with no judging and I agree with forgiveness but I don't think you are a true christian if you are actively a homosexual and see nothing wrong with it. Cause the bible says it is wrong. I wish it wasn't wrong cause I personally could care less who is with who. But God is in charge not me.
AshandAri Reviews also says it is ok to own slaves,can not eat shrimp seafood catfish or pork, must stone your disobedient children, dont wear blended fabrics like polyester, the only reason for divorce is adultery but only if one will not suffer the other one and the family does not stone them both, not to gossip, a woman during her time of the month should be put outside the city, solomon had over 100 wives plus concubines and it was ok, men arent to shave their heads or edges of their beards....etc. no one can fullfill all of the law. That is why He came. To keep christ from one group, or say "no your not allowed" is a dangerous place, because we are all guilty of some sin everyday. Period
Judging someone doesn't sound too kind to me
Jennifer I like your music and even though I don't know you, I love your as my sister and fellow pilgrim in this journey we call life. I don't have all the answers and wish you the best. God is on your side and know his love is unconditional. I have not heard your music in a while and your name came up in a discussion group I'm in. I had nothing to do with your personal decisions (they are personal and non of my business). I was reminded of your great voice and rocking music. I am glad to have rediscovered you. I continue loving your music. I look forward to your new projects. You have a fan in me.
The balance of LGBT and maintaining a life based on faith can sometimes be precarious, from within the LGBT community and externally from outside of the LGBT community. What results is a person of stronger resolve, a deeper meaning of dedication to faith. Thank you Jennifer Knapp for being a strong and beautiful voice.
Incredibly underrated and under appreciated, Jennifer Knapp.
This album was everything to me when she came out; I am so glad she is living happily and has found her path.
Thank you for your music. I don't know how I would have made it through Exodus International without your music. When I was told that I couldn't listen to music unless it was approved, I found solace and strength in your music. I am still recovering from religious trauma. Yet I find myself hopeful and positive because of inspiring people like you who inspire positive change in the faith community. Thank you so much for speaking up.
I am impressed and amazed. She is a wonderful woman.
I absolutely love you Jennifer Knapp. Let your beautiful light shine brighter than other's horrible judgements. I stand proudly with you as sisters who love Christ even though others judge outward appearances & think they have the right to judge what's in the heart. Let everyone else who blindly judges you , fall by the wayside. I was such a fan of you when you were exclusively a traditional christian artist & I am still completely a fan of you as you give yourself permission to shine as you are & share what you have to share with the world. I am very thankful for you, your heart, your message & shining the love of Christ & how Christ shows up in your life. Thank you for walking, breathing & living LOVE.
we are all snails all worms and butter flys we are changing being part of the the turning of your own journey I support every 1 I love Knapp and her music hey ho;come to mercy street
u r amazing that s a great insight into the fight 4 flight and where does the creator want us and where is death in ourselves and where is true life and what is the reward we seek here and now ,,,,,,or beyond...
Beautiful. Thank you Jenn.
You are so encouraging and so relatable! 💙
It's perfectly natural for an LGBT person to still be attracted to a religious faith, in fact when one accepts who they are, they can find themselves even more drawn to some religions. Christianity is hardly defined by it's opposition to homosexuality. It may be popular with people who oppose homosexuality, but if you study the average version of the Bible independent of any Church, I think you're hardly likely to see it as one big rant against homosexuals. One can read the Old Testament, New Testament or perhaps even the Qur'an and feel as though God accepts them as them are, contrary to people around them.
Ruru liean I believe in learning to appreciate this world. I think one of the major problems with religion and the belief in some sort of perfect afterworld that doesn't have the problems this world has, is that it causes people to become insensitive towards people who are under the realities and limitations of this world. Some might think that in a perfect world everyone would be able to find a partner of the opposite sex, but in the world, homosexuality is the only way for some people to happy in a relationship.
+Ruru liean If homosexuality is just as offensive to you as murder, then I say that you are the one with the problem, not homosexuals. To me, the best a person can say is that they don't like homosexuality cause it offends them. But has homosexuality personally hurt you so badly that you respond to it with something as heavy handed as "It is an offense the Creator of this Earth and not the way He meant things to be"? By my judgement, nobody has the right to be so judgmental of homosexuals as a group, as to say that are opponents of "God", because of their sexuality. Even if a homosexual doesn't believe in God, the intent behind "You are in opposition to God" is offensive and it's wrong to say it.
I',m all for honesty - and shes v real - but I'd love to hear that she had rather let the Lord's amazing love totally heal all brokeness rather than almost reveling in the brokeness - God bless her x
I use to sing Jennifer Knapp songs in church. I eventually realized I was a lesbian & found a way to reconcile my faith with my sexual orientation. I made a movie about it. I could use some help finishing it. Here's how anyone can help: www.kickstarter.com/projects/1335851532/geek-loves-punk-comedy-about-a-lesbian-geek-and-he
as a Christian, I don't criticize anyone who may be struggling with this.what if it was me who happened to be attracted to the other sex? it could happen to anyone and I am glad it didn't happen to me.I don't fully understand it
Thank you. I understand where you're coming from. I don't understand attraction between a man and a woman either. But I can respect and love people even when I don't completely understand them. I hope so can you.
I really found this so inspirational. Thanks for your loveliness Jennifer
I’m thankful to hear your voice again Jennifer Knapp! Even if I don’t agree with something you do, does not mean I love you any less!!!❤️
I'm not "trying" to change anyone, unlike others
Jennifer has been such an inspiration to me. Great points made as always and love her book as well!
Amazing songs & vocals-
I just want to voice my support as a straight Christian for Knapp and people of faith in the LGBT community.
thank you!!! as someone who was raised in a very bigoted evangelical christian family + church (and subsequently, someone who currently struggles between feeling unable to connect with any religion, and feeling like there's a hole left inside of me since i cut myself from church/religion....), i really appreciate seeing people saying things like this!
@ Alex Oh
Why do you call yourself a follower of Christ while supporting a sinful lifestyle? Makes no sense whatsoever.
@@Yesica1993 why do you call yourself a Christian but judge other people when you are called to love everyone as an ambassador of Christ?
I love her voice❤❤❤ her music can bring me to tears including this song😊
I love you and thank you for being an inspiration for so many of us who love Jesus so much that nothing will come between that walk , nothing. Amen 🙏
Your music touches me deeply. I love your voice and I love you.
As Teenager listen to her music and when she came out made think if God create us in his own image .He still knows can't take change Bi away.Give you props not easy coming out and growing up Christian home as well Christian Music Industry/Community.
lovely.
It is about Love...
I still love her.
You should do country & cross over, so the world can hear you now.
Every body really needs to watch the documentary "Sing Over Me" ! It is just wonderful and helped me to understand a lot.
Como amar a Dios y negar su palabra es imposible lo que hace
Danysae Sae its like you heard nothing...
Where can you see "Sing Over Me?"
Yassss Jennifer knapp
OH. MY. GOODNESS. Is this the same Jennifer K. that I tried to get people to listen to when they listened to SECULAR country??
HOW FAR from the mark has she swayed and she doesn't care!
GoldiRock Records oh my...you dont get it.....cookie cutter Christian that you are....
Amen. What a terrible shame it is. We need to pray for her.
GoldiRock Records sssoooo.... were you two like, bffs or something in the past? With a comment like yours, I assume you knew her personally beyond her albums. She is showing her personality, her humor, & speaking about a topic very dear to her heart, which is typically what 'Tedx Talks' are about; hence the emphasis on "talk". It's not a CD or a concert where they just play all the songs you like. They actually speak openly about a topic dear to them.
@@jeffjones6616 if you continue believing that I’m gonna have to pray that no woman finds you attractive 😂
Read anything she's written--she cares deeply about truth and faith
Thank You friend
Just lovely, Jenn!
Wow
There’s two kinds of responses that Christians seem to adopt in these comments: one of acceptance and warmth, the other is a highly rigid script that displays more parroting than understanding.
I’d rather see people like Jennifer be open and honest with themselves, than live a lie hurting themselves or others.
There are those who know the bible and what it says about this sort of thing( strongly condemns). And those with hurt feelings.
@@spiderknight9893oh foolish Galatian, who has bewitched you?
@@StevenWaling way to resurrect a dead chat. I’m not the one who’s bewitched.
@@spiderknight9893 you're the foolish Galatian of Gal 5 who rejects the grace of God for following the whole law. You're the one who has rejected love for hate.
I love her and her faith!
Does anyone know how large is the LGBTQ community within the fundamental Islamic community?
Such a VOICE!!! Such a beautiful heart!!!
Such a beautiful song.
she helps out the likes of Lindsey
Lohan etc.
💖💖 Lov u and lov your music! Tanks for Kansas! From Brazil
Go Jennifer !!!!!! I'm with you
I’d be honored to stand next to you in Heaven. Our God does not judge like these ‘Christians’
Not judging, but warning. Oh God will judge big time on Judgement Day, be sure of that. Homosexuals will not enter heaven, but I`m sure other Christians already told you that.
Julia Walker So what happens if you die a “Christian” and realize you’re wrong?
Julia Walker Julie you ever sit down and think to yourself that you may have ego issues?
That isn't the gospel
Jennifer…you are a true inspiration- on a soul level. Your music has always spoken to me; especially back in my teenage years. Now as I’m reconnecting with my faith in a truly deep way, and just coming out the last 6 months as trans and pansexual- finding this Ted Talk has given me so much comfort and I stand with all LGBTQ sisters, brothers, and siblings, especially those in religious environments that are not welcoming and supportive. I love you! And pray my music speaks as loudly as yours has spoken to me. 🦋💜🏳️⚧️
GREAT songwriter/songwriter! One of the best. If you have an opportunity to see her, please go.
JK, the impact you and others have had is amazing. 54 states recognizing same sex marriage? WHO would have thought this possible at this time? Thanks so much!
If you are a Christian you definitely would not want to support this apostasy! 35 states VOTED to outlaw gay marriage. The only reason it's legal is because of the Supreme Courts illegal, unconstitutional passing of the law violating constitutional law and violating states rights. The amendment should be repealed because it is illegal for the court to make such a law. Laws such as this one are a states rights issue and by constitutional law should be decided by the states. So if our tyrannical government didn't violate the law of the land two quarters or more of the states would not allow gay marriage as marriage is defined as between one man and one woman. By the way, there are only 50 states in the union!
Thank you.
So how does a "gay person of faith" justify Romans Chapter 1?
Slingshot Silas how does anyone who has faith in this world justify slavery depicted in so many of the chapters of the bible?
Slingshot Silas it's not really a problem because your god is fake.
Caramel Hot Chocky well 1) you ignored the question and 2) that was a completely different time, so that argument holds no power
Ben R. Well I gave you another question to think about stuff and you said: those were different times. That's it. That's the point. It's 2017. We know being gay is not a psychological or medical problem, we know it's just as a valid sexual orientation as heterosexuality, and we know that sexual practices are not damaging whatsoever, if between consenting adults. Times change ;) the bible may be pro slavery and against "sodomy" (which, in those days, was about power of a man over another, shown in a sexual way: the term does not really include people who loved each other) but nowadays we know that slavery is deeply wrong and that humans are entitled to love another human being. The bible it's against tattoos, nowadays we know it's silly to think God would hate us for having a rose tattooed on our shoulder. The bible has a passage that prohibits eating shellfish, and it was because back in the day, those kind of food were not safe to eat, as they couldn't be clean like they are now. You have to see everything through the lenses of time and context, and scientific knowledge, too. If slavery is bad and we ignore passages of the bible where it is condoned or even suggested, why can't we understand we need to put into context homosexuality as well?
Actually, they don't have to justify it. Just because something is in the Bible, it doesn't mean that we are bound by it. The Bible is a construct of the church over the first few centuries and is, as much as anything, a reflection of the culture and options of various human authors, writing in their own limited knowledge. Human knowledge and understanding has moved on since then.
ok a little light on this, "we where born this way" your absolutely right for all are born into sin and Jesus Christ pleaded with His life for us too change that through a new birth. For all have sinned and fall short of His Grace and thank God for His forbearance and mercy not desiring that any should perish but all come to the truth and the knowledge of His love in Christ Jesus.
+Ptah Arawn well said
This happens if your theology or view is tied up with pop and prevalent western culture. Christ-followers in the Majority World will still raise up their eyebrow seeing how nice they make it palatable.
She's so hot.
I really enjoyed Jennifer when I was young. It is one thing to struggling with sin as a Christian and it is another to openly promote it! It is very clear God does not condone homosexuality! God loves us and will work with us in our sin whatever it may be but to openly say it is ok and God is cool with it is wrong!
Can anyone tell me if Jennifer already was a lesbian when she recorded the kansas albun?
I was thinking about going to see her at Jammin Java - but I will pass.
No thanks.
I am very disappointed in Jennifer Knapp. She is leading many astray. If you stand for something (God's word The Bible) then don't be a hypocrite. We are to deny ourself. She is an apostate. She has gone astray because of the lust of the flesh. The Lord will not be mocked. The Lord still loves her as I do. But repentance needs to take place.
🤦🏻♂️
I loved her music so, so much back in the day. I was heartbroken when I learned the news that she had walked away from Christ. No one can be a follower of Christ while openly and deliberately living a lifestyle that is in direct opposition and rebellion to His Word.
Why do you believe that?
and now no be life in your voice, wake up
Oh my. Read thru comments. I love you Jennifer Knapp for who you are. I’m very sad you’ve chosen a female as your companion. Female and female cannot reproduce. Neither can male and male. God created us, make and female, to reproduce. I’m want sad to learn this about you. I shared your music with many friends. Please Father God bless her in her journey with Holy Spirit guiding her to All Truth. I pray that for my son as well. TRUTH is what we all need.
I’m so sorry but I’m having a hard time understanding how condoning sin one still can be considered Christ follower.
You were an inspiration, before you
were not…
CHRIST=0
THIS WORLD=100
Representing as Christ's ambassador-0
Judging and condemning your neighbor-100
@@namasteanam7556 Interesting point, because everything you´re doing here is going around judging everyone´s comments... Bye the way: Christians shall judge those who call themselves Christians. Read 1. Corinthians. And GoldiRock is absolutely right, Jen doesn´t follow Christ anymore. She´s following her own heart. Christians have to deny ourselves and take our cross daily.
I say this because some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches, saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives. The condemnation of such people was recorded long ago, for they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. And I remind you of the angels who did not stay within the limits of authority God gave them but left the place where they belonged. God has kept them securely chained in prisons of darkness, waiting for the great day of judgment. And don’t forget Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled with immorality and every kind of sexual perversion. Those cities were destroyed by fire and serve as a warning of the eternal fire of God’s judgment. When these people eat with you in your fellowship meals commemorating the Lord’s love, they are like dangerous reefs that can shipwreck you. They are like shameless shepherds who care only for themselves. They are like clouds blowing over the land without giving any rain. They are like trees in autumn that are doubly dead, for they bear no fruit and have been pulled up by the roots. These people are grumblers and complainers, living only to satisfy their desires. They brag loudly about themselves, and they flatter others to get what they want.
Jude 1:4, 6-7, 12, 16 NLT
bible.com/116/jud.1.4-16.NLT
It’s like an alcoholic saying God made me this way. Clearly, the Bible says homosexuality is wrong. You can’t be both. I’m sorry for whoever struggles with this, but Jesus gives the strength to overcome. I love Jennifer’s music too. I’m sad she turned away from obedience to the Lord. He gave her a beautiful voice to use for HIS glory and not a worldly sinful issue. Jennifer, come back to Jesus.
Interesting that being PROUD of spitting in Jesus face and still CLAIMING that she's him....
Is bizarre?
Why not just say, 'I realized I have no interest in being part of this JESUS THING'....
It's almost like me LEAVING A GROUP and DISMISSING THEIR IDEALS....
And then CLAIMING I still get the benefits of it?!?!?!?!
GoldiRock Records she never spit in Christs face, she left the Christian music machine and performs her songs, whether they are about faith or just life...why are your panties in such a wad? go get some education on the subject Oldilocks
Two options:
>Break away from temptation and repent of any wrongdoing
or
>Give in and remain in a constant state of mortal sin your entire life, more likely than not landing you in Hell in the process
Remember, the Devil's two biggest lies are these: that a sin is of no consequence, and that a sin is of such grave consequence that God will never forgive you. These are both false. One CAN be forgiven for past wrongdoings, but only if they actively seek to be forgiven.
Very disappointing
I AM SORRY| It IS AN ILLUSION|
"Christian"
She should be ashamed of herself. It's unbelieveable how people think they can have it both ways when the Bible is clear on the subject.
Thirdgen83 I seriously doubt you follow every single thing in the bible. Are you a female? If so, YOU should not be speaking out opinions so openly. Rather, you should quietly be asking your husband to explain all truths to you in the privacy of your own home. Now, where on Earth would I get that message? Oh, yeah... the New Testament Bible, which, btw, was NOT spoken by Christ. It was a zealot rule created by those later came after Christ & turn Christ into a religion. Hhhmmm, may want to chew on that a bit. Even if you are not a female, I bet there are a handful of things you choose not to follow that are clear rules written in the new testament that you write off as antiquated & a reflection of those times in the past. Just like you write off the whole Old Testament & it's teachings. Look at how conveniently you use the bible to serve you when you want it to but bash others for not following the bible to the T
You are a moron, and have no idea what I follow. I love how you try to put it back on me, AS IF somehow that justifies PERVERSION. You Liberals are all alike. You rationalize sin so that it fits into your lifestyle. What part of "ABOMINATION" do you NOT understand?? God created men to be with women, NOT women with women and men with men. And the New Testament DOES NOT contradict the Old Testament. You're CLUELESS.
Thirdgen83 so I guess you don't want to address the fact that I just mentioned something that the bible actually says. Is it more important for you to be blinded by your own rage? Why are you so over-worked over what someone else is doing in their own life? I hope you can come to a real place of peace & love one day.
The problem is -who speaks for God? Who defines 'God's standard'?
The church has constantly changed its notion of 'God's standard' or 'god's will' over the centuries. Interpretations of the Bible have also constantly changed and varied through out the history of Christianity.
I really don't think that someone who unquestionably accepts an ancient book over thinking for oneself is in position to call any one else 'Clueless'. The Bible as we know it came about over many centuries and the cannon is very much a construct of the church.
Thirdgen83 you should be ashamed of yourself for putting your thousand year old book of letters before an actual person. Also, your god would be ashamed of you for being such a shitty person. Eternal Hellfire for you!
She wants to be free from God's ways? So does Satan.
HAIL SATAN!
Unrepentant.
So very sad and blasphemous of you Jennifer. You had such an anointing on your life and music and you threw it all away and spit in Jesus face, and for what? For the perverse, sexually deviant doctrine of devils and this world. Repent and ask Jesus for forgiveness and he will take you back and make your testimony even stronger!
Jesus himself broke jewish laws. If sin is a separation from god and living faithfully is a unity with god, how would it be possible for a person in a relationship that grows one's ability to be patient, kind, humble, content, and compassionate to be sinful? You judge a tree by its fruit, and if that fruit is showing an increasing ability to love it is not showing a separation from god, but unity.
It's NOT a Jewish law.
it is most definitely a jewish law. paul from the new testament didn't have a new testament when he wrote it. Paul never knew, hung around, or listened to jesus. He is a flawed human being just like the rest of us.
youllregretit
You're a MORON. It says in the NEW TESTAMENT in several places that people who live in sexual immorality WILL NOT enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Not some Law that Paul made up.
we are clearly very different minded. This statement does not help me understand you, and it has put me down with pretty negative language. I don't feel like you're trying to understand me, though i don't think philosophy is the end all in how we're supposed to process something like this. You need to know someone personally that has a deep and genuine relationship with Christ and is homosexual.
the sin make you uggly and said, return to Jesus, please
invencible go away judemental dork with all the answers
Im not trying to "change" anyone, unlike some people
Her music is invalid! Use to love her music but now it's like nails stabbing me in the ears. This song sounds worldy and demonic! I love sin too but we are told to resist the devil and he will flee draw near to God and he will draw near to you. You can love someone and not agree with them. Love is telling The Truth in love. Jennifer is blinded by lust! Haroin addicts can justify what they do to. Any sin can be justified but it won't hold up before a Holy God. Either you agree with God or you don't Jennifer does not.