Is The Mind-Bendingly Fast McLaren 720S Too Much To Enjoy On The Road? (Review and Drive)
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A few months back I drove a GT3RS, 488GTB, Huracan Performante and 720S back to back on a track. The 720S was SIGNIFICANTLY faster than the rest down the straight under acceleration, it was very obvious and frankly, quite absurd. Of course, the seats initially wouldn’t electronically adjust and there was a chance I wouldn’t be able to drive it. So I got the full McLaren experience 😂
Convisis which did you enjoy the most?
Andrew S good question! I’m no great driver so it’s not like I pushed them to any great level but for my tastes it would’ve been between the Performante and the GT3RS, the Perf was faster and sounded glorious but the grip on the RS was incredible, I had an instructor telling me to push harder because I was nowhere near the limit. I couldn’t quite feel comfortable in the 720S but I’m sure it would be the superior daily if you got used to it and it actually worked! The 488 was cool but it didn’t sound great and I didn’t love the turbo lag on the straight, plus the 720S pantsed it.
Convisis the grip and vaultlike feel of gt3s is addictive once you start pushing them in corners, almost like flying on land
Thats the only way you know that you drove a McLaren , when something doesn’t work
How much was it for the track day
Crazy fast, still fun at low speeds, comfortable ride, practical, great looks..... if only Mclaren can work on that build quality its almost a perfect supercar 👌
Not quite. They need to work on their customer service generally and especially for owners of used and older cars.
@@resnonverba137 seen the video on customer service, shocked is an understatement! However customer service is a seperate matter that shouldn't be placed on the cars themselves, build quality is the main criticism here in that area.
@@freshjive818 I don't entirely agree. Customer service - or lack of - is part of the ownership experience of any car and can make the difference between a customer returning or trying a different marque. I do agree that a brand like McLaren that can be innovative and forward-thinking can still come a cropper on such basics.
@@resnonverba137 absolutely agree! But my point was purely based on the cars themselves though. However it is a massive shame for the people who design and develop these cars to be let down by Mclarens absolutely appaling customer service as the cars are fundamentally very very good as pointed out here minus the faults to bodywork that need addressing.
@@freshjive818 Fair enough. It's frustrating that McLaren seem to have done the really hard work and are falling down with the fundamentals. I hope to goodness they address this sooner rather than later and we can see a British brand learning and improving.
I saw a 720S just sitting there in Cheltenham, and it looked gorgeous! Think it's better in the flesh than photos....
The lack of obvious side intakes makes the car look so much better than most other supercars. It just has a beautiful, curvaceous body imo.
Would love to see you get one of these. Imagine the channel content: such as road trips on the Autobahn to visit the Nürburgring. Big shoutout to James' dad for letting you drive it, can tell he is a true enthusiast. Glad he loves driving it.
Pictures don't do these justice, the only one I've seen looked like a spaceship in amongst normal traffic.
No side intakes in a supercar in recent years is the most UNIQUE and BEAUTIFUL thing they could come up with. Great in my Opinion
McLaren is called an obsessive company but McLarens cars have build quality issues strange to be both
I guess the obsession is isolated to their design centres
It's a lovely looking motor, but if I was to spend a quarter of a million quid on a car I'd expect every single system specced within to work as it should, and it had darn well better be built to perfection or I'd be wanting my money back.
sgtgrash top tier performance and built to perfection? Need more than this car costs to make it a business case.
@@MyMostBeautifuCinema I guess that means I am not the sort of customer McLaren is looking for, and I am absolutely fine with that.
Mate these things are FAR less than a quarter of a million now, unless u want a high spec new one. Used in the UK 720s McLaren's go for minimum of £125,000
So Lexus? You could get a LC 500, LS 500 and LX 600 and have bucks left over and not file like a mook for buying a car with Trabant level quality.
Buy a Honda. Supercars have minor issues here n there nothin big
Definitely one of your best vids so far 👍
13:57 is what I expect an sas officer to be like whilst under enemy interrogation
Funny, I thought he was having a trouser moment.
Lol, did you just have a “crisis” at 14:00? Great review as ever James!
woaw man.you're to this day,the best youtube supercar reviewer.you gained a subscriber instantly after seeing this and the story about mclaren ownership.i need some space in my subscribed box,and i think i'm going to dump shmee who isn't doin half of a good job at reviewing the cars he tries in an honest way,like YOU do. i like how lucid you're,and i also love the fact you know WHERE to look on a car,the important bits as owner.kudo to you man,you're a great reviewer.
Not driven one so can’t comment on how it feels! Looks like 150k to be truthful!
Cracking review and I actually love the car 🚗
As a New Zealander it's nice to see a nod to McLaren's beginnings in the form of a stylised kiwi on the steering wheel.
kkiwi54 too right bro..chur
Yellow inserts and callipers remind me of a Corsa in Max Power magazine.
hey jay! great video! i just watched the mclaren horror story you posted recently, ive subbed! looking forward to what you make in the future and perusing your backlog!
When 720s first came out i was like this looks like an insect, an alien or some creepy creature. but now im digging the design. Prob still like a 488 or a 911 Turbo more as a second daily. but this looks has grown on me.
I have been for a ride in a 720S - best car ever below $1 million.
13:57 The reaction is so me. Speechless, just speak from the soul lol
Makes a good off road vehicle too by the look of the wheel arches and doors.
excellent review Thank You, Thumbs Up
Really enjoyed your! I haven’t seen you get this excited about a car before.
"Mmmm... ooooh, its... Rampant"
Apparently this car turns you into Jim from Friday Night Dinner.
Awesome car. Keep up the good work.
Frighteningly fast...but for a REAL white knuckle ride, try doing 90mph on the M25 in my Peugeot 106 diesel....
Lol try 80 in a jimny
Nearly shit myself 😲
Or ANY speed in a Reliant
Fantastic review, thanks very much
I enjoyed that review. My perception of all McLaren bar F1 is a sterile boring brand and they don’t really excite me when I see one. But that review was ace and gave me a better insight into them.
Looks a great drive
I'm loving your CZcams videos. The last few weeks have been brilliant....now to go find your Alfa SZ review....
czcams.com/video/l4IpYgi0bT0/video.html
@@JayEmmOnCars Thanks! 👍
Looks like you have found your favourite car !
Enjoyed that. Cheers! :)
Would love to get in one of these my best mate has the 570s spider and that was amazing so this must be out of this world
My work colleague did some agency work for mclaren in Woking a few years back, he saw how they worked, did all the bodywork, said he would never buy one even if he could afford it, quality was shocking he told me, I reckon if they upped their build quality and reliability, they would sell more, good car, shame it's let down by poor quality.
As far as the construction of the car it is alarmingly noticeable when you sit in a Lamborghini the superiority of build quality to mclaren
All you need now are the roads to drive such a car on in the UK, without streams of traffic everywhere! Anyway, nice one James...
He did say it was enjoyable at normal speeds - just cruising - bah humbug
Looking like tremendous value today. 800whp from just an exhaust and stage 2 map - £140k from a main dealer with 12 month warranty, all very negotiable. Just interest rates that are currently whack!
Hello...
Love your channel...
The doors are also like the Maclaren f1...
The 720 all day long. 🤪🥃🥃🥃
I find it hilarious how high end car manufacturers always manage to relieve wealthy people of ridiculous amounts of money for `must have' options
Makes it diff specd ones hold value
Seems like people in the comments don't understand what this is. This is THE bargain of the super/hyper car world. Performance like this doesn't come as cheap as under 300k
I had motion sickness watching this within 5 minutes and I’m not even joking
Great content...spot on. I have to pick you up on one thing - the power figure. I think the reality is these cars are losing less in drive train than before. This goes back to the gtr in 2009 dyno operators were using 25% for drivetrzin losses- standard for AWD- and quoting inflated figures. Actual losses where 16% ..you see the same now with all cars dynod..all manufactures are not under quoting bench figures more logic is dyno operators are catching up and don't know the real losses .it really bugs me that people think theres a big conspiracy, what purpose does it serve?
I've spoken to quite a few people who really know their way around a dyno (ie. not owners who are showing off) that conclude the car is making more power than claimed. Not the 800hp that some Americans seem to think, but still more than 720. It's fairly common with modern turbo engines.
@@JayEmmOnCars any dyno is estimating losses they dont have the offical figures from McLaren for drivetrain losses. They are measuring WHP and calculating flywheel horsepower from an estimated % loss. So only two things can be true, either all manufactures are now underestimating they flywheel hp- a figure only they are measuring on bench dyno OR independent dyno operators are not taking into account the efficiency of modern gearboxes and drivetrains. I choose to believe the latter. Go to any dyno and they all tend to operate with the same % loss calculations depending on tgexdriven wheels. I've had cars dynod and the only accurate figure they can provide is whp that's just a simple fact..I dont know anyone who has had the engine out of a 720 on a bench dyno to disprove McLaren's figures. I've read the same thing about m5s , rs6s and gtrs...the higher measured whp is the margin for error also increases ..you only have to be a couple of % out on estimating losses to skew the crank figure by 50hp when dealing with the 720...sorry for the essay ! One more point the dyno operators are also unaware of the specific torque map in each gear so we dont even know what the torque about should be at a specific rpm for a specific gear..mclaren only quote peak torque at rpm . ..dyno operators obviously know a lot more than me and can map a torque curve quite well but anyone who tells you they can accurately measure anything other than whp is lying
@jayemm Would you choose a 720 or a 675LT spider? For a street car with only rare/occasional tracking…
Most beautiful McLaren by a long shot
What was it at the 18:36 mark that made you take a double take look to your right as you went past a bungalow with a wide driveway? Lol.
Interesting review. I’ve lusted after these since they were revealed but the sound track of this review leaves me feeling flat. :/
I have the pleasure of owning both Lamborghini performante Spyder and McLaren 720's spider. Tumi the Lamborghini has more fun to drive as far superior brakes as well. However I still love the McLaren it is terrifyingly fast in a straight line. Yes it is correct that there are many little glitches which are a pain in the ass.sometimes you will push the start button it might not start for 2 or 3 minutes and you have to keep trying to push it to start the car. this can be quite embarrassing especially when a crowd has gathered around as you attempt to drive off. again getting back to the brakes the Lamborghini brakes bite hard and bring the car to a halt very quickly. You really have to slam on the brakes with the McLaren to stop it as it is so blistering fast it requires a lot of foot weight.you just touch the Lamborghini brakes and they are biting hard even if you are at top speed
13:13 "a little bit bananas" is that possible Jay? Surely its either bananas or it isn't (thats right-and don't call me Shirley) great vid by the way
Would to see the running costs and what's it like to live with and compare it to Noble and would the volvo engine be stronger or more fragile than what mclaren has for engines
Mmm, it’s like Lotus met up with TVR and they made this, stunning, but flawed in the build part, such a shame. Hope it gets sorted and you love it 👍
Speaking of reliability etc any updates about the exige 430 your friend has I remember you saying in previous videos he had issues, or in general about more recent lotus reliability?
Will be discussed in tomorrow's video
Mauvyne blue!!!
Very nice video. I am a 720s owner myself. Can you please tell me where to get a reliable cell phone holder for 720s?
I think you had more fun in the Fiesta ST ... for sure you were smiling more ....
Great real world review, best on CZcams in my view. Looked at one but the scary depreciation, poor build, scary reliability stories and poor dealer back up sent me securing to the Porsche dealer.....
Can't argue with the comments on depreciation or build quality. I am a serial Porsche owner (Turbo S, GT3, GT3RS, GT2RS, GT4...), but have thoroughly enjoyed owning and driving a 720S and 600LT Spider... just so much more of an event.
It’s great that we still have such an amazing choice of cars to choose from in this day and age. I have a 991.2 GT3 which has the drama of the 9000 rpm engine, but the 720s is a special car you are very lucky.
Gareth Howells - Have just bought a 991.2 GT3, as miss that 9000rpm soundtrack😎
however,after doin serious research.and after seriously listening to what you have to say about mclarens,i'm on my way for an aventador rather than this 720S i was lurking at.no arguing,mclarens are garage cars,sunday riders at best.a shame,because the 720S is wrapped around a best of a motor.but my futur aventador with some tuning and suspension upgrades will no doubts support the comparison as canyon toy.
Awesome car, has to have the comfort seats though.
It's such a pity that English cars have always had quality issues as the make some beautiful cars. A friend of mine has a maye that works in an exotic car dealership and he said he was quite shocked to see cars like Aston Martin, ferarri etc with the finishing not up to par where as Porsche are spot on
A quarter of a million quid and no mounting for any type of mobile device so a ghastly suction holder with a mile of flexible wire is needed, that’s mental in any vehicle.
It seems that McLaren saying “Our Bluetooth Systems and Nav are so good your phone can stay in your pocket!”
This drive and the entire presentation was a bit Jeremy Clarkson after he ate all the pies.
If you don’t buy them new they’re great value
Plenty of great deals to finance them at the mo. it seems. He said you can get them a lot cheaper that way compared to financing similarly priced super-cars. Maybe he's trying to talk himself into getting one?
Because they break which = bad value
Not really considering maintenance
720S is prob my favorite new supercar.. What?!? Not in love with the look? II love it, it's so clean and yet strikingly different. The opposite of over-styled and derivative, which I hate... But McLaren's quality control etc. do leave much to be desired.
When Gordon Murray left, it all went to pot.
this car is terrible gordon murray mk1 escort is far better i would laugh at an idiot that bought this
IMO it's when Ron Dennis left is when McLaren went to crap. If you watch any interviews with Ron he was a man that demanded perfection whether it was from his F1 days with Ayrton Senna or when he became the COO after he retired from F1 racing which McLaren was the best F1 racing team when Ron was the boss. Plus it helped having the best F1 driver of all time....RIP Senna.
Got a de-panter audio plug-in?
Is it quicker than a AM one77? Now that's a car! Wheel spin at 120 when changing gears.
It has a look of the original Honda NSX
Serious question that I really want to know. Is it worth giving up a 570s spider for a 720s coupe in your opinion or is a spider a must even if its the sports series compared to the super series?
Depends on what your priorities are
@@JayEmmOnCars If you had to pick one of them and what would your main reason be
Amazing car the 720, but McLaren have to sort out those build issues....couldn’t help but think the Esprit folk now involved with this aren’t helping matters 🤣🤣
With the perfect steering, you mean?
If you squint a bit at 20:03 it looks like a 458 or an Evora
that colour is amazing👍🏻
13:52 yeah 😂
I want one please! 😍 my dream car 💞💖💕
Not a fan of making a lot of studd that's pretty much essential or should be on the car already as optional extras.
Does the sport exhaust make it faster?
Nope
Apparently phone reception in a carbon body shell is not too good that's why its stuck to the front window?
That is true
If I’d have paid £260k for a car I’d expect everything to work inc the radio...it would just make me think if they can’t get the radio right what else doesn’t work...& with the reputation McLaren have got themselves for quality unfortunately until they correct it I’m not a buyer...certainly not new one anyway..
I admit I am late in commenting but in my unworthy opinion with any ,eh-hem, fast-ish car, I get a B @ O Beolit 17 and bung it on the passenger seat and tether to my phone for long journeys. Maybe McLaren should do the same. I know, not ideal, but if I want to listen to something and with some grunt, it works more than well enough. For short journeys I go without. Or not.
My Williams gets a Sony which fits in the glove box. Infotainment is, to me, froth.
One car maker will soon be clever enough to just use a securely placed tablet.It saves weight, does the job and easy to tinker with and update. This is already happening in aviation, so why not in cars? All that matters is it works.
Such a fast car...and no Autobahn around for properly driving it. 😋
You should have used lornch control. That is truly brutal.
You won't be driving a Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Bugatti, Pagani or any other limited production hand built cars - Mclaren are actually at the top end of this lot - yeah a little bit of trim may come unstuck and you may have to reboot computer now and again but mechanically they are very reliable especially compared to aforementioned brands - you should give them some slack - they've only been doing this just over a decade but rate of progress has been epic - like he said the new generation of infotainment is going to be a big improvement - PS check out what everyone says about Ferrari infotainment systems - they're useless - Oooh Ford can get it right - cos they have been doing it for much longer and can spend far more time and money developing and testing a lower grade system
The C8 C8 Corvette mid engine supercar fully fitted out is about $85,000 to $100,000 base model. The front and side look better than the mclaren. The Corvettes interior is much better, the seats are much better, the engine is much better..bulletproof. he air intakes knock the mclaren for six..it's faster 0-60mph in 2.8 . The mclaren is way overpriced. Just wait for the Z06 or mighty ZR1 versions.
The C8 is amazing value for sure but it's not really competing in the same sector. Stock it won't be anywhere near as quick since it's down 200BHP, weighs significantly more and doesn't have the same technology - which is one of the things which makes the 720 so godly from a launch. The aesthetics are obviously subjective but for me the McLaren looks way more special. The C8 will no doubt be more reliable though!
Great review, car leaves me cold - don't get that 'I must have one ' feeling. Currently looking to pick up a Rapide S - a better looking car in every respect....does that make me a poser?
One is beef and the other is Pork , different gravy squire '
720S is a phenomenal car, but the 600LT Spider is the sweet spot in the McLaren range.
We'll find out tomorrow
Point taken, but having driven both, I do prefer the 600LT. It just seems to deliver better feedback and as a result is more engaging and rewarding.
I own a much faster car and certainly have been in other cars which are faster than the 720S. My SL-C in my avatar turns all the heads, is lighter, and probably more engaging to drive... But I still want a 720S! I want to pull the trigger so badly on one, but I just can't knowing their terrible reliability, depreciation, cost of repairing/ownership, and most of all... horrendous customer service! Hopefully this all improves some day!
It ain't
Not street legal same weight it's not faster. No airbags
every large business, and car manufacturers are no exception, have a 'dust bin' department where they dump incompetent employees (including management) that for some reason or another they cannot otherwise dismiss. i imagine that in the ultra-expensive sports car business, it encompasses any and all things radio. and it has come to pass that management has long since learned to suffer the monstrosities of their labour with a smile; passing it on to the customer, in the hope that the old adage concerning a bad apple and a barrel is apocryphal.
How true. Thankfully most now come with Apple car play!
@jayemm does James still have his Exige?!
Question will be answered in tomorrow's video. It's a good one
I've got a Ford and, trust me, they can't get infotainment right. Sync 3 is absolutely shocking and will also crash if try and use it too quickly.
Visually I'd take pretty much any generation Lotus Esprit over 90% of modern supercars. Mechanically, not so much.....
This ain't a dig at your vid bruv, honest,
tho "James" bonnet shot at start still creepy 😉 (i know, shot in adv.......)
Anyway @10.11mins WTF... those indicators sound like my old maestro (MG!)
Surely when u drop £200+k on a motor, when you put the indicators on, Angels Pluck their Harps, not 1990 BL sounds?...
That would cook my goose mate...
Do you need some ventalin🤣🤣
Soooo, I've never seen JayEmm do a side-by-side comparison (logistics and $ probably the culprit). Sooo, maybe it would expand the channel to do just this...and have a price comparison to boot? I would humbly suggest this outrageously expensive McLaren with the upcoming C8 ZR1 Corvette. Just say'in.
I have done comparison videos, you don't see them much now because they are generally a disaster
As a thought, if you think the 720s is "mind bendingly" fast...when you come to the States let me know and I'll strap you into my Trans Am spec GT1 Corvette. 830 hp, 2780 lbs. "wet" with driver, four speed straight drive, 8,800 rpm redline, no "nannies." It has done 1:43 (full coarse) @ VIR (Virginia International Raceway) with Mike Skeen behind the wheel. If you bring the Mclaren I'll race ya...
I want to like McLaren more and more but unfortunately I'm liking them less and less. Too many models, too poor build quality and too poor customer service. Come on McLaren, pull your socks up.
Nice body styling. But nasty colour. Is it Vicky Pollard nail varnish?
what's going on Jay? your shirt is quite quiet.
The weirdest part is this car makes me want a current Ferrari, and I don't even like current Ferraris. It's that moment when you realize what lack of soul really means. Current Ferraris may have less soul than their predecessors, but they still have more soul than this. It's fascinating to think about.
Drive one Matt. They are full of soul and massively entertaining. That old Mclaren criticism is not applicable to a 720.
@@richardneall It's the sound that's my main gripe. The car doesn't really sing. It can certainly be loud, but there is a difference, one that you can't really put your finger on, but you can feel. I was watching a video on the Alfa 8C, for example, and that car really sings. Maybe you can use that to make sense of what I mean.
Matt Evans, that’s cool. I sort of get the sound criticism although in the flesh it’s not that bad. I do a lot of track work so super loud is a no no anyway as UK tracks have strict noise limits. I guess if you just want a road car the criticism is fair. The thing that doesn’t come through on this video is the unbelievable braking and grip levels. That’s the bit that’s mind blowing, not just the outright power imo.
Much of what is an option on McLarens and Porsches, and ferraris should be standard at these price points
That is very true, but unlikely to change
@@JayEmmOnCars unlikely for sure but ridiculous amounts for even silly things floor mats
Too much hassle from McLaren Manchester? Sure. Too much power? No! :)
I’d still buy a Ford Capri 3.0 E automatic. Loved your review of your father’s car far more than of these. I’m probably an old fart
From memory James the presenter is not my son. I had a Capri as well, trying keep that on road at speed was fun, not.
Its got the lot, crazy ape shit
Bonkers fast, mad looks, corners
Like a boss, and stops on a dime.
Just need to sort the build quality
Issues. An engine layout change,
Would go a long way. The 3.8 and 4.0
Nissan v8's are a bit dated at this point.
you're trying to play a radio station and not streaming from your phone??
None of the mclarens do it for me honestly. Don't know why, but they just don't tickle me the way the italians do.
Why so many dickheads in the comments? It's free content ffs. Thank you Jayemm