Why do I prefer GX85 over X100F for Street Photography
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- Panasonic GX85 vs Fujifilm X100F for street photography.
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Totally agree. For me, the big problem with my X100F is that the raw files are impossible to edit, where as the raw files from the GX85 is absolutely amazingly easy to mold into your liking in Lightroom.
Many people enjoys playing with cameras, or like what you said "looking at them". I am one of them. But i agree with you that the primary value of a camera is to take photos.
Spot on! I like your style and your philosophy.
We sometimes have to remind ourselves that the camera is simply the tool. It either does the job necessary for you to do your work -- in the way we want to approach this genre of photography, with the results we expect -- or it doesn't. Yes, it is true to say that the best camera is the one that's with you -- but it is also true to say that the way a certain camera in your hands can make you feel when you're using it, certainly as a creative mechanism, is just as important. We're so very much hung up on the debate of pixels, and gear. Gear, which when it comes down to it is really such an infinitesimal reason behind the WHY we do street photography in the first place. Having said that, I must agree, the Panasonic GX85 is a great camera for doing street. Probably one of the most unassuming and underrated cameras out there for street photography. Impressive little beast.
I'm a Fuji shooter [X-T1 and Xpro1] and while I do love the cameras and the images they help produce, I have my eye on a GX80/85 as a side set up. The stabilization is what attracts me most, and M43 have some very nice lenses for cheap enough. I also like to adapt old vintage lenses, the X-T1 is great for this as it has great ficus check and peaking, but the M43 bodies will add stabilization even to the oldest lenses. That intrigues me also. Great street images btw :)
I appreciate your philosophical dissertation on the GX85. You did mention twice that this review is according to your personal preference, and as such, we can enjoy your reasoning behind the cameras, as opposed to your measurements. Sometimes reasoning is needed to promote the creativity in your viewers, and in this clip, I can say you are successful. Thank you.
I am an X-T2 shooter but I also have a GX85 as an everyday carry. I have a love/hate relationship with the GX, but I found by disabling screen AF I like it much better. I use centre point AF, focus and recompose. If I do need to move it, Fn 1 is assigned to activate D-pad AF. I just usually have the oly 17 1.8 in it so MF is available with a pull of the lens ring.
Great video! Interesting to see how other people shoot with this camera.
M using Fuji XT2 and GX85 (gx7mk2), i tend to bring gx85 more often, blazingfast focus and all round function makes this a perfect everyday camera. I also had GM5 for its compact size, but since GX85 got inbody stabilizer, i wouldn mind taking slightly bigger GX85. Oh and the lens arsenal is great, all u need is: kit lens (12-32mm), 42.5mm f1.7, maybe you can add Laowa 7.5mm f2...
the AF of GX85 is faster than X-T2?
I also have an XT-2 and a GX85 and also use the latter more often. My reasons are slightly different. I love my Fujinon 16-55mm lens but I don't love its size and weight. However, my 12-32mm and 42.5mm are small and light and razor sharp. Whereas, the 16-55mm is so sharp that you sometimes need a tripod whilst the in-body stabilization of the GX85 plus its fast autofocus mimizes misses in street photography.
Long ago, those old-school photographers such as Winogrand, Leiter, Bresson etc were constrained by technology and had no choice but to use simple film cameras with fixed lenses.
Now, its very different.
Photography and cinematography are all about telling stories via different visual aesthetics created by clever usage of different focal length lenses.
Hence, it doesnt make sense to buy any overly-hyped, over-priced camera having only a fixed lens in today’s society. People have been brainwashed by American social media and marketing.
Similarly, even artists use different mediums (water, oil, guache etc) for different visual aesthetics. A genuine modern photographer should not limit oneself to only shooting with 1 fixed lens. Even a gun lover is not contented owning only 1 pistol. He often wants to play with different firearms of different calibres. An SUV owner might also want a fun, weekend car for the twisties.
Probably, thats why even Ricoh had to introduce a GR3X.
As an owner of X100V and XE4, I love and respect Lumix (esp G9 and GX9) because Lumix has never brainwashed the market via over-hyping their cameras.
Long ago, the not over-priced, non-hyped G9 already had weather sealing, a huge, bright high resolution, high refresh rate EVF, 2 card slots and IBIS..and great video..all in ONE package.
For Fujifilm, when they give you a great tasting pasta, they cleverly dont give you the shavings of black truffles and Parmigiano Reggiano😂.
The leaf shutter is a huge advantage in daylight fill flash photography.
But in general, your camera choice doesn’t matter in street photography.
Thank you for the review - I keep my GX 80 and love to take lots of pics with it.
Ralph Striewski good enough for lowlight in the night?
I had the original x100 and it was just a pain to use I ended up selling it. I ended up with a GX85 and I still use it regularly as the main camera I grab for fun. Those were some great Melbourne street shots by the way.
I get it. I use a Fuji X-E2 with either 27mm or 35mm F2 for street. A descent alternative too. (I admit I'm a Fuji Fan boy) I really liked 6:20 and 6:24.
I agree with you about the cameras. I would love to get a Leica, but I probably would spend too much time looking at it. I wouldn't go out and shoot with it any more than I do with my GX85. Nice street photos, by the way.
I have 2 Leicas, X113 & T, what do I grab when I go out to take photos almost always; Panasonic GX7 with Olympus 17mm f1.8. I change to a 45mm f1.8 at the zoo. I dont spend time looking at my Leicas they are usually in a bag in a drawer. Its the camera you have with you that takes the best photos ;-)
Some amazing street shots and a very admirable philosophy - a valuable contribution to the art vs forensics mind set. Ultimately, for me at least, it can only be resolved by the images one produces and the impact they have on the viewer.
Thanks!
Fantastic Video and Information
Happy shooting!
I'm using an Xpro 1 with my Pentax SMC 28mm 2.8 with zone focusing. Faster than any auto focus and wonderful jpegs
E3Zombie I use a rollei 35se so got the point. The issue is that it depends on your style and taste of result as digital photography requires much more precise focusing
Nice black & white photos, and thanks for the photographic philosophy.
Thanks for the video! The Gx85 actually does come in silver top and even silver/brown.
For street photography auto focus has to be flawless. Slow auto focus is worse than no autofocus. if a camera has poor AF it needs excellent manual focus implementation, and so many digital cameras fall down on this. Street photography is not about the last word in sharpness, noise or colour rendition, it's about nailing the shot. I have three Fuji cameras but fall back on my DSLR for speed, so I'm moving away from Fuji towards Panasonic for a general carry round camera.
I completely disagree that for street photography, AF has to be flawless. I shoot street completely manual. That includes exposure for consistency. And lens (a 50/1.2) pre-focused to 3 meters, from the hip. Or raising the camera to tummy level if i need a landscape orientated shot. I nail 9/10 out of my shots easily. It only takes little practice (a few days at best) to learn visually what 3M is. Lots of tricks for it like the square bricks on the pavement etc.
I have a D700 and D810. Using the D700 for street (no real use bringing 37MP for that as my style is with a lot of background seperation) Check my YT profile for a link to my portfolio, there is a street section there.
Henri Cartier-Bresson is considered the master of the candid street photography, and he was born in 1908.
You think he had the AF module of a Nikon D5 ?
Don't use AF at all for my street photography, so it's utterly irrelevant.
I like that you said just get out and shoot some pictures and enjoy the camera you have now .
I find the GX85 to be one of my best cameras to shoot B&W with. Between the L. Monochrome profile and zebra stripes making it really easy to quickly expose knowing what will be crushed, blown out, or neither. I've tried to swap to different cameras so many times only to come back to my GX85 and G9 basically for zebra stripes for stills. I also have both a Sony A6000 and A6500 that both have zebras for stills that work more or less identically to Panasonic's implementation. There are other cameras with blinkies, but it's nowhere near as clean as zebras. You ask why it doesn't exist for Nikon and others, despite the feature existing in the cameras for video mode, and people just reply like robots/sheep with "that's a video thing" instead of "you know what, I don't know why a way of making shooting more convenient isn't there". The same can be said for why can't we have live waveforms instead of histograms for still shooting? The answer remains the same, "that's a video thing", despite waveforms being great for quickly visualizing exposure across a frame regardless of if it's a video or still frame.
I really like the manual dial aesthetic, but I have to constantly ask myself if that aesthetic is worth the large cost to add to my gear. I'm tempted to pick up a Z fc used as a trade in after loving the design, loving preserve highlights, and liking how Z mount is getting some APS-C attention from third parties. Lack of zebras annoys me; I basically use spot metering for my shadows then dial back using zebras as an indicator. Preserve highlights bumped up a stop or two would probably get similar results.
Which lens are you using on Gx85?
Hi.
I really like your B&W street photos..Good moments captured.
Thanks!
adjusting multiple dials more time consuming (hence missed shots) than flicking mode dial.
I have to admit, I was tempted by the Fuji mainly because I miss my black Leica M4 from the 70s. I dont miss the hassle I had having to use aux. viewfinders and a Visoflex to match the usefulness of my previous and following cameras, a Pentax Spotmatic with maybe 3 lenses. The Nikon I got after that (with Photomic prism) was a clunky disappointment.
I wish Pentax made a digital Spotmatic. I'd buy it right now!
I didn't hear you conclude much difference between the two cameras in your analysis, mainly the menus and LCD use. I guess the proof is in the photos, except you said there wasn't much difference there, either. Does the Fuji LCD fold out? Without checking, I think it's fixed. That's bad, for me.
I do like your eye. Esp. the shadow patterns, unusual people shots and nice girls' legs!
I guess I might buy a nice used Leica M4 or M4-2
With its bigger sensor, and fatter price tag, the difference between the semi-professional Fuji X100f and the introductory Panasonic GX85 should have been obvious! Fuji should have simply blown the Panasonic out of the water.
Yet, from all the comments by the good people who responded to this video, Fuji leaves a lot to be desired. Often, I found that my Fuji camera was unable the match the Image Quality of my GX85. But it doesn’t stop there. The decisive blow came when my Sony RX10 iv (1-inch sensor) out-performed my Fuji X-T2 (APS sensor) in sharpness. This is when I sold off my Fuji gear, kept my Panasonic GX for Street Photography, and moved over to the Sony a7 iii for event photography.
This is a good video. Like others have, I need to compliment you on your photos.
Thank you. Intelligent commentary which makes sense. Nice photos too!
Nice music selection and captures. Thank you!
Some lovely images here. Well done.
Very nice review with outstanding images!
Interesting points.
I Really love your pictures, very talented.
Cheers!
Great comparison video, and great photography philosophy.
Thank you, this was very helpful. Really like your foto's by the way .
Enjoyed your video! Very nice photos!
Thanks!
very useful comparison.
I see you use a 25mm on the G85: do you use both cameras because of different focal length? The second thing is bothering me, owning a GX9 is that I often find the viewfinder underwhelming, especially in bright light when looking at the back screen is difficult: I wear glasses and the tiny eye cup is problematic, especially when I compare it with my other camera, an Olympus E-M5KII which has a gorgeous eye relief. How is the Fuji optical viewfinder working compared to the Gx85 sequential tiny screen?
Yes my preferred focal length is 50mm equivalent, which is 25mm on GX85. I also agree that EVF on GX7/85/9 are not as good as GX8, that's why I tried X100F with OVF, but the problem is the sun in Australia is too strong that when I look through OVF, even a side light would make X100F's eye sensor thinking my eye's not on it and behave as I'm not using it.
Great video, very well explained points and wonderful images! Thank you so much for sharing your photos and thoughts.
Thanks!
What is your favorite street photography lens for the gx85?
25mm f1.4 is my favorite, 15mm f1.7 is the second.
@@DawnBellDuskDrum Is the 15mm f1.7 the Leica? I just bought that. It's quite nice! I also have the 20mm f1.7 but am looking into the 25mm f1.7.
Summilux 15mm 1.7 hands down..
GX80 / GX85 with that lens is a dream pair for street.
@@gjwhite
Yup, that's the Leica.
Stunning lens...
@@DawnBellDuskDrum Years after first watching your review above, I just got a great deal on the 25mm 1.4 on ebay. Also picked up the 42.5 1.7 for a nice price as well. The 15mm 1.7 has been great, and excited to add to the focal ranges.
Hi ;)
Gx80 and gx85, are the same?
Yes they are the same, just different names in different locations.
If I shoot both video and photo, photo is street, travel, everyday camera and so on, which shape of camera is better? Rangefinder style or DSLR style mirrorless like GX85/GX8 vs G85?
Why everyone talk about DSLR vs Mirrorless but no one talk about DSLR style mirrorless vs Rangefinder style mirrorless?
Ming Thein has a well-written article on a very similar question: blog.mingthein.com/2017/06/25/the-un-camera-camera/ I think he decided to use GX85 in the end.
As much as I love rangefinders and rangefinder style cameras, for pure practicality and ease of use I prefer DSLR style mirrorless cameras. They tend to have more function buttons, particularly ISO, white balance etc in prominent places. A swivel screen means I can shoot from any angle. Not many rangefinder style mirrorless cameras have those features. A larger grip means you can use longer, heavier lenses more easily, too. A GH4/5 with a small prime is still quite discreet, although the rangefinder type like a GX85 is more so.
How about Fuji XE3 vs GX85 vs Leica TL2?
I've never touched Leica TL2 so I can't give any opinion on that, but I've tried X-E3 in a shop, while I liked it's smaller form factor and lighter weight, I found its touch screen not implemented well, for example, when I select film simulation, there's a ribbon kind of control with different simulation icons from left to right, I can scroll it but it sometimes recognized my swipe gesture as a touch and selected the simulation while I was just swiping through it.
Big ups!
I know that they are quiet different, but I’m hesitating between the Gx-9 and the fuji x100f. For information, I’m interested by portrait photos, landscapes and street photos. Also, I already have a Nikon D3200 with a 35mm, 18-55 mm and 70-200 mm.
Could you give me some advices please!!! Thks
Wow, what a brillant Vlog. Keep up the good work, PLEASE ! Thanks a lot !!
Fuji xa7 , canon m50 or panasonic gx85.
Which u u rommend for 70%photos and rest videos.
Overall best choice ?with features.
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I'm assuming you mainly shoot street with the VF? I use GX85 with 15/1.7 but shoot from the chest. AF is good enough to shoot blind and still get many keepers. Only other cams I can do that with are Nikon 1 series cameras. With all my other cameras I rely on zone focus. Zone focus usually means stopping down some and as you say this loses some high ISO advantage a bigger sensor brings. Only way round it is shooting in continuous mode for small bursts and culling a lot of pics back at home. I do this with Sony RX1R sometimes so I can enjoy the narrow DOF advantage.
If you like small sensors for their DOF then I'd recommend Nikon 1 J5 with 6.7-13mm (18-35mm) lens. Cannot handle low light as well as GX85 but in decent light the image quality comes close and it's even more discreet. If you like post processing then Sony RX1 files are superb and you can get very creative back home.
Yes exactly, I use EVF for 25mm (50mm equiv) but if it's wide angle lens like the 15mm I shoot without EVF. I think wide angle lens gives more opportunity of different kinds of compositions due to the flexible field of view, using EVF means my body need to be in those angle as well which isn't practical. If you watch my very first video, I specifically mentioned that Panasonic's AF isn't only fast, but also tends to focus on the objects nearer to you, whereas Olympus blindly looks for more contrasty areas which is usually the background buildings on streets.
Yes, street photography is not for pixel peepers. But... one of my friends using Nikon D800 with 25mm Zeiss on a street and his photos look frigin amazing...
Gee Eee What's his Instagram? I would like to check it out. Thanks ✌️🏾
Great vid, great shots……!
Great photos!
Cool nice vid. Honest opinion from someone who actually uses it! Lol
fine Pics
Well your friend may be a collector and not a photographer. People can buy cameras without using them.
good eye
Anyone who buy camera to look at all day has mental problem, It is a Tool. I cannot stand the Lumix look with the Massive white text LUMIX says look at me I have a cool camera. Fuji has always better colors than Panasonic
"decisive moment"..?....street photographers congratulating themselves for finding something "decisive" about what are mostly random snapshots taken while walking around streets.