We Bought BARGAIN SPORTS SEDANS - Which ONE is the Better BUY?
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- čas přidán 18. 08. 2023
- Welcome to our Sports Sedan Build-Off where we see if the cheap car can be the better buy vs the expensive car.
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BMW build off episode 1: It's in remarkable shape!
BMW build off episode 13: as you can see, we have significant scoring on the main bearings.
BMW build off episode 27: So the engine is ready to go into the E90 wagon I just purchased
The wagon idea has crossed my mind! 😂
aand yet in talking about the honda they are ALREADY talking about scrapping the motor
@@dohc7232 Hah I had to re-watch that part -- I was like, "what?". Anyway he said "drop" not "scrap".
the wagon is the right idea@@speedacademy
It turns out the main bearings were in excellent condition.
This series is going to be awesome! The M3 looks like it costs $40k and the Civic looks like it should cost $5k!
I wouldn’t pay anywhere above 3k for that civic tbh. I bought a much cleaner DC2 integra with a fresh built B18 and less miles for 4k. Maybe they are more expensive in Canada..
@@augustortizwhen 10 years ago ? You can’t even find a stock ragged out integra for under 3-4k now lol
@@MyWolffy about 4 months ago, the car wasn't perfect but damn it was in better condition than the FD2 here.. I wish I wouldn't have sold it. The new owner already made it Turbo + AWD. The type r wheels it had alone cost half of what I paid for it.
@@augustortiz and was it really a dc2 gsr body with the gsr engine and trans ? I mean I bought one in meh shape over all for 2k 2 years back but it was a real gsr. Are you just saying dc2 to mean integra ?
@@MyWolffy Now that you mention it I think non ITR cars are called DC4 instead of DC2. It was 98 GS-R body with 90k miles, 5-6 noticeable dents all around, paint was a 5/10 on some parts and 8/10 on others. Paint was bad on the hood (but everything had factory labels which is super rare). It had a freshly built GS-R engine with type r pistons, rods, skunk 2 cams, skunk 2 manifold, upgraded injectors and a lot of other things (the engine alone was worth what I paid for it imo) . Suspension wise it had a few things too. Original ITR wheels and brakes. Car pulled hard as hell for a n/a b18 and felt amazing in corners too.
It was a great deal but repainting it was too much of a hassle at the moment for me, so I flipped it 2 months later. I instantly regretted selling it but the new owner still keeps in touch and the car is close by so at least there's that.
Those peasant blockers 👌
Best thing after movable visors 🤩
8th gens continue to live on. the agility, perfect short gear ratios, seemingly unlimited amount of grip with a proper tire suspension and alignment setup and light chassis with all the comforts of a semi modern car. excited for this series as an si owner
Fellow Si owner here. You hit the nail on the head! My FA5 is one of my favorite cars I’ve ever owned.
CSX TypeS owner here! Really looking forward to see the build progress.
I disagree on the "perfect" gear ratios, 4th and 5th are too long. The ITR and CTR of the gen prior have the perfect gear ratios. 1-2-3 is great tho! Its also a bit lacking for tire clearance up front if you don't wanna do the JDM front end swap. Have to choose between tire/wheel width and camber... But as a former RSX owner, front suspension design is worlds better on the 8th gen
The drone, the drooonnnneee in the FD OMG. I'm excited to see out this turns out! Dave i'm counting on you to rip that BMW appart, the Honda guy in me wants you to win so bad haha. Keep up the good work guys!
Can you do 9th-gen Si K24 mounts, do they fit? It has the potential to be a nice car with some suspension and body work and some sticky tyres. I'm guessing Dave is thinking Supercharger as a heavy-handed power adder...?
This series so much more relatable. My FA5 is sitting in the garage in Sauga doing nothing. This inspires me!
PT, that’s an absolute steal for a clean E90 M3! Looks perfect for a sympathetic refresh. 😎
Reliable. Just got to change the rod bearings
I've never ever been so hyped for a build off!!! So excited! Please make it a long one ❤
E90 M3? Time to pull the pan and check bearings as standard service 😂
Did you not watch the video?
@@aconfusedaznpeople honestly give these cars bad reps. Do regular maintenance. Let the car warm up properly before you drive it and the car is one of the best sports cars you can buy for the money in the used market now.
@@v8_samiits always the internet parrots who have never owned one.
@@v8_sami these engines are junk lol, the rep is there for a reason
@@tylerscully8327 I dunno. Honda missed a trick by not building their own 4.0L V8 out of two K20 engines (be it for the NSX or some other products), but oh well it what it is.
I gotta be team M3 only because it’s going to have a way better retained value as long as you don’t mess with it too much. It’s a car you can own for a while and pretty much guarantee that you won’t lose any money from depreciation on. The maintenance on the other hand will be very expensive, especially if you can’t do most of it yourself.
Bmw is a lost cause.
Jesus, that NVH in the Civic would have me bailing the hell out.
Oh Kay this is speed academy I love! I love that you can actually drive around a road course at a fast pace. Sets you apart from being able to build a good track and street car.
That E90 gots the goods. The down shifts sound legendary.
Been watching you guys for years and finally you get e9x M3. I have an e92 M3. Mine has been super reliable currently 120k miles. I know all the possible oil leaks and all possible need attention areas. Enjoy the glory the S65
Wow, I can’t wait to see the track battle! As an ex fa5 owner and current M2 owner, who always wanted to get an E90/E92 but was scared of all the servicing, this is going to be very interesting to watch!
And how da hell Pete found that M3 for $27k I don’t understand, that’s a deal of a century 👌🏼
Only a diehard BMW addict says "reliable" and "only needs rod bearings" in the same breath.
Rod Bearings are a service item, at least thats what all the BMW owners say haha
@@speedacademy like wiper blades.
Main bearings too! The double chains puts excess strain on the first main bearings and they tend to go.... No one checks it...
@@MrSoremuscles that sounds more like a feature than a problem to me. 😂
@@speedacademy Get improved clearance bearings like BE Bearings & your good for the lifetime of the engine like every other normal car. It's a service item if you just replace the old bearings with new OEM ones that have flawed clearancing hence the accelerated wear.
Very excited for this series. I have owned my e90 for the past 5 years. I’m so happy with it. Just like any car, you just need to maintain it. I’ve done bearings, and the TAs. Those are really the biggest things that this platform needs. Since you have a DCT car just watch the pan for weeping. I have a 6 speed so I guess one less thing to worry about.
The E90 M3 can do multiple things - go to the track on Sunday. Drive your kids to school on Monday. Pretty awesome. Congrats on getting an E90 M3 for the for the channel.
Hey I was wondering for this type of build series. If y’all could do a baseline test at the track as well as the street before the modifications, would be a really cool to see the progression
You guys are the best! Absolutely love both platforms. Stoked for the conent! Two of the best NA screamers
Dont forget about the M button on the steering wheel of the M3. Basically a preset setting for the steering, throttle, and damper, also a MDM traction setting only turns on with that button.
Will definitely be following the M3 build to get ideas for mine! Looking forward to this series 🙌🏼
I love you guys and think you. Deserve way more subscribers. Keep doing what you fellows are doing, it's great!
I cannot wait to watch the whole build series! Hoping to get inspiration to buy more upgrades for my E90 M3!
I really dig both purchases. We never got that type of civic here in the UK officially, but some have been imported over since. Speaking of the same era, the FN is/was popular this side of the pond in terms of standard models and the full fat Type R, so the interior looks familiar still.
I'm excited to see more!
Always glad to see something new from you guys!
As a EG LOVER/Enthusiast. I can extremely vouch on how hard it is to find a decent clean not modded sedan !!! I got so lucky lately and finally scored one but man I’ve been in Honda for almost 10 years now and it’s the first I got my hands on lol sad how they’re not so cheap anymore although I got super lucky but I’m selling it to fund getting another car back
The FA5 is such a tank, 190k+ on my racecar with an unopened drivetrain. Really quick with basic suspension and a 255 up front.
Watch out for rust between the fuel tank and backseat area! I found a few small holes alll the way through on my car that barely had surface corrosion!
I don’t normally give likes but you earned one for leaving that audio in. Awesome!
Great video guys can’t wait to see what you guys do with the cars ! Keep up the great videos
Really looking forward to this series!!! I'm a honda guy but have been looking into getting a m3. Hopefully we get a video on how to do rod bearings :)
Easy, I do them same day running
Really pumped for a more track oriented series. Both of these platforms are popular at the tracks out here in the PNW.
Had an ‘08 E 90 M3 with manual. Sold it 8 years ago. Still miss it regardless of the “maintenance “ required. It was a great street car that also was quite fun on the track.
That BMW is a steal even with that mileage, it seems very mint. Yes, will be expensive to service, the rod bearing fix is a big one, but still it looks in great shape.
What you guys should do is keep the m3 stock and do maintenance and get the civic up to the same $$ value and compare them, then keep adding $5k to both or something and see how they compare at each price point.
Civic already has bottom end motor swap. Realistically, the previous owner already ate up 10k+ of the difference in price. Plus, they're already planning on dropping/opening up the motor again. I'd say the $ value is closer than what they paid. Just because someone wholesales their time and effort for essentially zero, doesn't mean the car didn't have 20k put into it.
The bmw is more expensive now 😭😂😂
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Really looking forward to seeing more of this build off, its shaping up to be a banger 😎
Already love the series! Great match-off.
I like seeing this civic build. Having kids now I want to build something that they can actually ride in and that civic is better in that case for projects
I am super excited about this! I want to see the potential of that V8 on track.
Im glad you want to go to the track more again! I missed having a lot of track videos
Wow. Interesting matchup. The Civic is definitely a good example of bad mods without serious considerations. Looking forward to what you guys done with it. I'm a huge fan of the M3 and should win easily👌.
Great idea! The sort of stuff I'll follow all the way through
Looking forward to this build. Not sure what your budget is, but I recommend you get in touch with Bimmer world and look at their MCS coilover packages. Also because you plan on tracking it, you’ll need to address the power steering pump cooling. A good budget option for brakes may be the brakes from the newer generation f80 m3, that can be had for a fairly affordable amount of money. Good luck!
So excited for this civic build… you guys should check out Seikers, they have a clean FD2.
Looking forward to this series,I’m cheering for you DP
This episode makes me feel like I snagged a deal. I just bought an 08 civic Si coupe, bone stock, in Ontario for $7000.00. It has zero rust, US car. It did have more mileage, blown rear shocks and of course the 8th gen clear fade. But ya, it looks a ton nicer than your example. I'll be following this series for sure! Keep up the great videos!
I knew the Civic from the outline before I even realized there was a flag in the silhouette 😋 love them, though I’m about to rebuild mine looking for the culprit (cracked block likely) that’s slowly leaking coolant into the oil 🤷🏼♂️ yay, cars! 🙄🤣
Looking forward to this series, nice to see track focused content on the FA/FG civic chassis
That M3 seems like a smoking deal, in BC these are 40k +
Although i understand the civic has some valuable parts on it with fd2R front etc, 12k seems steep for the overall condition. Previous owner bought nice pieces but kinda hacked it all together 😂
Looking forward to seeing it get a new lease on life, i gotta go with team honda 💪
Amazing series! Love the M3! Looking for civic build! thnx guys
Shaping up to be a great series. I am hooked.
Im much more excited for this build than any of the other recent builds. I love the david vs Goliath kinna vibes.
Wheels, tires, suspension, bushings and motor mounts should absolutely transform that civic!
Another build off! Love this series.
19K for the E90 M3 is insane - couldn’t find those prices in California
Glad you guys got to build an 8th, can't wait for this series and battle 😄 ! Definately need a bucket in the fa5 though, stock seat height is too high with a helmet
Love the civic content!
Especially 8th Gen SI’s
Pete looks so miserable in the Honda drive, haha
These are my favorite builds. Battle time!
Original FA5 owner here checking in. Nearly fifteen and a half years now.
As an 8th gen si owner I’m excited for this series!
Glad to see an E90 M3 on the channel! Out of all my cars, this is still the one that feel most special to me. Hope it win ;)
I like the direction you guys are going in 👍
I am so gutted to not see an RSX type S yet on the channel but I can only hope. However I am still excited to see this build off, this is why I follow you guys.
Oh man! I’m pumped for this.
Watching Pete’s face while Dave was ripping tec in the civic was hilarious, he looked terrified but honestly for good reason that intermittent vibration is concerning. Regardless, eager to see how the builds come together!
Fa5 civic owner here. I can tell you the mounts on that car probably in the high 90 durometer stiffness and up. You need 70a or 62a for a more compliment ride. I'm rocking 62a hasport and have no viberation yet the engine is held perfectly in place with no movement
Definately on camp Dave, he has the way nicer car and a lot more to spend on it. I’m just not a BMW-guy, but I have to admit the engine sounds great👍🏻 but, looking forward following this build series…it will be a long week waiting for the next episode
I think the Si owner got lucky getting 12k out of that thing. Not sure about the Ontario market but here in alberta you can find a decent Si for 9500 to 10
Remember that FD2 front end is $4k alone
PT with his tongue out should’ve been the thumbnail😂😂😂. Love it boys can’t wait for the new series.
i love those civic sedans with a k24 swap, really compliments the car well i think.
So stoked for this build off
Total different ends of the spectrum just like I love!
The Lexus ISF is also a 416HP RWD sport sedan for under $30k, but the M3 is cool too. Excited to see what becomes of the Civic!
🤔Put the type-r wing on it, what chance you look completely❤
Consider vibratechnics motor mounts. They're stiffer rubber than OEM but a lot more bearable on the street than a urethane bushings. Also if you're going forced induction on the civic, don't skimp on cooling or reinforcing the gearbox
LOVE THE 8TH GEN SI. i HAD 2. A TURBO 09 FG2 AND A SUPERCHARGED 07 FA5
Watch out! I've read the main bearings are suspect on S65's as well, instead of just the rod bearings!
Nice! Can’t wait to watch this series. But did I miss what the budget is? I assume it’s 30k CAD?
This should be a very good! Can't wait see how it turns out
Love the choice on cars, I think this audience is always more interested in builds the majority of us can actually afford. Of course love the older hero cars, but the 10ish year old market is truly the sweet spot for best bang for buck.
Its a shame u guys have less than 1m subs. These are great content, maybe collabs might help.
Cant wait for the FD build! Gonna be a sweet ripper at tmp
Japanese cars often *feel* as fast as higher powered German cars because of significantly higher final drive ratios (which are effectively a torque multiplier) since Japan is densely populated and their cars are made to feel peppy stoplight to stoplight. German cars on the other hand often get lower final drive ratios, i.e. the extremely long Autobahn Gearing. As soon as track focus dominates the conversation, swapping the final drive ratio in the M3 to a higher ratio final drive, the difference will be very apparent.
My favourite Civic fd6/2 (I know it is a conversion) and my favourite BMW model E9X M3. I'd love to see a "fd2" track machine because there is no so much fd2 type r content on yt and also I'd love to see screaming V8 , streetable beast!
Ughh I can’t wait for the next episode now. I miss the twice-a-week uploads right now. Way to drum up interest gents
The fa5 is such a well balanced car. LSD, 4 doors, factory sub, great interior and k series. Doesn’t get any better
I like how polite they are to not completely insult the previous owners since they will probably be watching the videos
Team Honda vs Team BMW This is going to be one exciting series. I love the underdog and love building up cars and I'm all for it. I'm on Team Honda for sure.
Can’t wait to see the Honda build 🤘🏽🤘🏽
Wish it was an E92. Still love the sedan version and sweet car despite all the well known issues. Good price for the M3! Seems like a lot to pay for a clapped Civic though.
The civic is worth 3500, in my book. Nothing is more expensive than trying to un-shitbox a ricer civic. 😂
Cobra Nogaro seata for the m3 with Brey Krause seat mounts. Pretty street able and affordable option for the m3
Can’t wait to see the end result! Hoping the best for yinz!
I got 2 eg sedans, i couldve sold you, a clean in and out dx, and a rough interior but nice overall ex
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Lol okayyyy there Palpatine
Love it! I miss my E90 M3!
I cannot wait until the next episode!
M3 vs Civic Si? Poor Japan. At least get an ISF.
Awesome! Hope to see an AutoX as one of the challenges!
I need to start a business importing FA SIs to Canada, because I can get one down South with zero rust for almost half that price.
If you want an even better induction sound. Change the intake to a carbon fibre eventuri intake. Make the engine sound like a dtm