The 5th OLD GOD Is FINALLY HERE! This Is HUGE!
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So it seems like the 5th old god we've been talking about is actually here. We knew something was going on with old god blood in Khaz'Algar, however now the new artwork found within the walls of Azj'Kahet shows a brand new old god like figure. He seems to be a mix between N'Zoth and Y'Shaarj and it seems like the nerubians are being sacrificed to him by the faceless ones.
This would explain why nerubians rebelled and even the ones in Northrend. However even more interestingly you can see a void crystal serving as the sun with rays everywhere giving a whole new dimension to the crystal Beledar and if it was a void crystal during the times of the Black Empire. So who even is this guy and what is going on and are we going to fight an old god in the War Within?
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What's the strangest is that there are ancient dwarves living there and none of them has tried to mine that damn crystal yet.
tbh if I was a dwarf I would eaten it by now
You could always have an Old God named "K'Tanth" .....since apparently there was a "Battle for K'Tanth" where the broken shore now is.... long ago, before the Titans got here.
Underrated comment, might seem like a small detail but literally is super interesting thinking about it longer
I always love the Old Gods theme and they "death" makes me a little bit sad, because they have so much potential to be a threat for a several expansions, but all they appearance in the game is "last boss for a raid".
"that is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die"
"they do not live, they do not die, they are not part of the cycle"
I bet ALL of this lore won't matter after the second xpac; just because Metzin is back doesn't mean Blizzard all of a sudden knows how to make a story span more than 2 patches :/
I bet the 5th old god was the original old god that got split into the 4 old gods, and the harbinger is trying to bring back the original and combine the 4 back into their original form, the 1 true old god
xal is most likely trying to bring about another void lord akin to demensius to devour azeroth, much like what had happened on karesh, as locus walker stated they had the exact same radiant song sung before demensius was summoned into their world.
That's actually a pretty good idea especially considering most of the Old Gods we've seen are amorphous blobs, so it's not too far of a stretch for one to do that to get the maximum effect to corrupt a Worldsoul.
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Maybe it is not an Old God but a Void Lord.
@Sorrowhomunculi I still don't quit understand the difference between an old god and a void lord. Ain't the old gods void creatures that use the power of the void. Like when shadow priest can use the power of the old gods and utilize void form....so wouldn't an old god technically be considered a void lord?
We've fought many Old Gods over the years, but have we fought any Old Atheists?
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Remember Aku’mai in Black Phantom Deeps.He was the minion of the Old Gods but it doesn’t specify who’s.In the dungeon you can hear the Old God speaking to you but his voice doesn’t resemble any god we fought.Just a theory.The second clue that’s makes a lot more sense is in the warcraft cronicles art with the old gods on it.If you find the image on google you can see that in the image there is an unknown old god in the top right corner of the art that’s resembles the one in this video so a think this is legit. You can find plenty of this speculation about this unknown 5th old god shown on that Warcraft cronicles old god art and on youtube. PS
There are some cards on Heartstone that can be a lead about this 5th old god
Good job Dorons, i follow you since beginning of SL, not all speculations come to pass but its whole point of speculating.
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the murals that depict another old god we haven't met have been around since wotlk. most recently there was the mural in aberrus during the sarkareth fight. always like looking at those, and i think its pretty cool that blizzard may have not forgotten about them.
Every new bit of lore info we get is making me more excited for TWW. Been sooo long since I've been excited for WoW's story.
Would be cool if this is like " The spawn of N'zoth" he split himself in preservation in ancient times, causing him to become considerably weaker than his kin but instead played the long game. Now being fed the blood of his kin to become reempowered beyond the prime of even Y'saraj. Even kind of fits in that fiery maw on the top of N'zoths head
I like this theory! It would explain how N'zoth was prepared for his death after he seen us when we get to the past black empire from dragonflight time travel questline
Kinda tired of N'zoth, we need Yogg back! Or even C'thun
@jordancallahan5893 Yeah I want some more Yogg he's by far my favorite old god.
Has anyone hypothesized that maybe the crystal is linked to maybe the void lords first and foremost rather than the naaru? I mean based on the mural it seems the actual natural state of it is it’s dark form and seems to be being utilized by the old god(s) in some form of another, and since Xal’atath has such a keen interest in it and the dark heart, and since she is more akin to the pure void than the old god void, I would surmise it’s maybe a way to summon or communicate with the void lords in order to bring them to Azeroth, and it could be the old gods were given this tool by the void lords when they were sent to Azeroth with the purpose of summoning the void lords once they had conquered the planet, but instead the old gods decided they wanted the planet for themselves, sensing how central Azeroth was to the universe, and xalatath being a servant of the void lords wanted to stick to the mission and therefor was imprisoned by the old gods in the dagger.
They retconned that there was only one super continent with Dragonflight. A lore book suggests there were was the super continent and smaller island ones or just smaller continents in general, like the Dragon Isles.
He mostly look like N'zoth, but in a different form, but this seems unlikely, it is probably xalatath
@@justinb7494 it has a lot of benefits to choose a mortal size figure for a lot of situations. It could be that Xal often uses this form to walking with her underlings. maybe that is one of the reason the other old gods imprisoned her in the blade... she was benevelent to her underlings and treated them "good"
@@mw2984 Xal'atath never had her current dead void elf body until we gave it to her recently, we are the ones who killed the elf and put her in that body. So no.
Also, Xal'atath is a void revenant, not an old god. Her name is very similar to the naming scheme for Xal'atoh, Nhal'athoth, Xhul'horac, etc.... all of whom were void revenants. One of those was even stuck in a blade, although it was an axe not a dagger.
I don't think she would be her own harbinger.
@@justinb7494 Not once did I ever reply to you.... so no, you still need to work on your reading comprehension.
Maybe the 5th old god is void lord Dimensius. If you did the Dark Heart quest line they mentioned him. Also the Dark Heart could be as it sounds a Dark Heart. linked to Azeroth the void lady is filling it with Dark Energy and plans to put it in Azeroths heart some how and make her into a devouring void lord . It also might be Y' Shaaraj because he was ripped of from the world. Where did he go or was thrown. was he thrown on the moon or something by Aman Thul. You think the old photo we have is is half version and this is full version.
Its kinda weird because in TBC in a Dungeon there is also a Void lord demensius
@@Hedrear_EU Pretty sure it was Pandemonius, his underling that we fight in the dungeon.
according to wowpedia its a copy of him we fight and if you do the dark heart quest that came out a few days ago one of the etheriun said his name and what happened to his world
BTW in the Chronicle, the Fifth Old god is surrounded by roots. :) You see the Elunahir roots in Azj Kahet, also on Alpha the quest givers talk about Nerubians collecting dangerous "Black Blood" and them protecting the roots which are something far more important than we could think.
That storm song valley music you used was the best thing to come out of BfA imo. Tbh the expansion had one hell of a soundtrack.
The first 50 seconds of this video where more interesting to me than every expansion since bfa
It's curious. That supposed Old God has 10 eyes. But their disposition and the "wrinkles" on the face make it look like it once had 11. And that crystal, regardless of a different color, just looks like the perfect shape to fit as its missing eye...
Well nobody even sailed on the other side of Azeroth, The old Gods might be hiding there and the Titans are protecting them
if this 5th old god was defeated by Y'shaarj, wouldnt it be a bit weird that he's still around and be the end boss of the expansion?? unless he has some insane power to rebuild himself would be a bit out of place and hard to explain. The idea N'zoth could have split into two and therefore been the weakest would make a bit more sense but still i think it's gonna be really hard to explain a 5th old god out of nowhere with the lore of the 4 old gods being so ingrained and sort of fleshed out over the rest of the story, even with the titan lies from chronicles i feel it'll still be extremely hard for the writers to just drop a 5th old god out of nowhere with not much back story or any significant events related to it, at least with all the other old gods we knew they were around somewhere this one seems like a big shot into the dark
it's Xal'atath. She is an old god that is still loyal to her Void Lord masters unlike the other four.
They have dropped multiple hints in game writers already did it
One thing to remember. In the time rift where the old gods won. They were sacrificing people to an old god. It was never stated which. The endless hungering one was all I remember.
Probably related to Galakrond as well. the essence is the same.
Galakrond started out a normal protodrake, but it was Yogg-Saron that converted him into the monstrous version of Galakrond that we were familiar with.
It looks like the full scale version of N'Zoth from previous artwork
he look more like yagg saron mixed with nzoth to me only got yasharaj eyes but im so happy they adding a new old god because cant get enough of em to me it makes warcraft warcraft
I think its a 5th old god considering how the dragon isles was able to be hidden and "turned off" just via titan mechanism. And the dragon isles were is placed in a spot that is still rather close to other continents.
The text at the beginning states that they chained the 5 old gods beneath the surface. Would that not mean there were 6 of them since Y'Shaarj was ripped of the planet and never locked up like the others?
I dont like that Xalatath isnt an old god. I REALLY am tired of Dark Master plot line's and just want Xalatath to be the villain for the trilogy.
Pyromancer is going to love this lol.
This new old god looks like a merger of Yogg Saron and N'Zoth. Could they be combined somehow?
Amunthul using console commands like a boss
What if, the 10th eye is xalatath plucked out, to make the crazy Yssraj
It annoys me that they will let us play Nerubian - but they'll completely change the aesthetic. Just like they did with the Dracthyr. "Hey, you get to play as a dragonkin!" "Sweet! ...wait, wtf is that thing?"
“Babe, wake up. New Old God just dropped!”
All Eyes Shall be Opened ;-)
Anything for more void / old god lore ..anything
My bet is the old god won't make an appearance this expansion (war within) but the following one.
It might just be a temple they are being led into
I really hate how the Lore in woW has become "We dont have any more bad guys, what do we do? We make one up and tease it in the expansions for 1 or 2 years... Then we finally release that bad guy, and then we kill it in one end raid, and get a lackluster cinematic for it. Then spend another 1 or 2 years in limbo while the game starts to suck, while they brew up another bad guy"
What would you prefer? They kinda ran out of bad guys with legion..
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Better writing.
@@DarkePacific sure but that’s a cop out answer - you could always prefer better writing
It still can be Xal'atath original old god form, of course if she is the 5th old god
I think it's just a depiction of the old golds rather than a 5th one-murals that depict the worship of gods typically are described symbolic in their design and not always accurate in their description but straight to the point. It looks generic in design but has pretty much all the hallmarks of an old god. Many eyes, tentacles, and being seen worshiped by the Nerubians (which worship ALL old gods and not just one) with their Faceless minions. This is all something that's pretty basic in Old God lore that we already know.
But it i interesting the release Mists of Pandaria Remix because it inform and reminds players of what happened which link the one Old God.
Where do you find this image?
I see a pink crystal encased in gold with a green gem. Can you explain how that is a Void Crystal?
What if he is a mix of all the old gods?
That's Xal'atath's original body. She has always been the Fifth Old God. Hopefully she gets it back for a final fight. And at the hour of her third death, she will usher in our coming. Ready? 1st death: Being ripped from her Old God body, and being placed into the Blade of the Black Empire. 2nd death: her new Void Elf body being sacrificed, as she transfers her consciousness back into her original Old God form. 3rd death: when we kill her fully at the end of TWW. Her plans, however, succeed, as the Void had planned all of this.
Wait... this says they chained the 5 evil gods below the surface, doesn't that mean there are 6 old gods not 4 or 5? As I recall, they yanked Y'shaarj out of the ground, they didn't chain him down.
The Titans did put Y'Shaarj's heart in celestial chains underground, we see that during Mists of Pandaria. It was still beating, so.....
@@laertesindeed We also see the same chains in Aberrus and I would argue that placing the heart in chains isn't the same thing.
@@fadedletterslost You're going to have to show a screenshot in Aberrus with any celestial chains.... because I don't remember seeing any. And chaining the living heart of an old god is absolutely equivalent to n'zoth and yogg-saron being chained with celestial chains. Both of their "bodies" reached beyond their chamber of imprisonment.
@@laertesindeed don't like your own comments that is lame, second you can absolutely see the chains below Sarkareth's layer. Also, the heart is not the same as the body was literally yanked out. Also unlikely that the heart was chained with celestial chains as the artwork depicts normal chains holding it. Celestial chains are transparent and glow with blue arcane energy the chains on the heart are normal metal.
@@fadedletterslost You've demonstrated that you are a liar; I literally did the scenario in Mists of Pandaria in which my group finds the heart with celestial chains on it....and releases them. We're not talking about the box which Garrosh later drags out.... we're talking the titan mechanism under vale of eternal blossoms where it was imprisoned. Moreover, there are no celestial chains in Aberrus. There is absolutely no problem with clicking the like button.....you'll have to get over yourself.
Maybe this isn't an old God but maybe a void lord bc clearly that looks like a gateway in front????
Its actually not a new old god, its Nzoth. You can see this fully realized version of Nzoth in the Azshara harbingers cinematic, where she initially makes the deal with Nzoth. When he is I AM A GOD and it cuts to the peak Black Empire, you it is clearly the one on the wall. I haven't seen anyone else mention this and I hope you see this comment!
I just got to the end of this video and see you showed a clip, but it doesn't seem like you acknowledged the connection. It looks identical.
Wait how do we know thats the only continent that used to exist, I mean they didn’t separate naturally so what if other continents existed along side that massive continent
That's Nzoth altar I bet, not new Old God.
That god look like N'Zoth.
I don't think it will be an actual old god. I think it wiill be a manifestation or a fraction of the void lord Dimensius
what if the 5th old god was a newer one to arrive and was small enough to be overlooked or the titans thought they stopped its growth......you know its getting harder to say Sagaras was wrong on killing any world with these guys. I havent played since Burning leigen but im gonna try and get back into it
The image look almost identificar as the one in Chronicle.
They wouldn't bring in a new old god for one expansion. Besides Xalatath is bringing in the void. Old gods are old news, right?
Gey Yrel and her army of Light.
Looks like ozrumath (the kraken guy)
#blizzard #warwithinsaga
I've said this for years
The darkmoon faire should have a traitorous "old god"
A being who feeds on human pleasure
Make it side with azoroth and the heros
What is Hermaeus Mora doing in wow lol
I thought the Zandalar Old God was the 5th Old God?
At this point i would be more happier if thet put Illidan back in WoW like he opens portal somehpw and we all go help him
Maybe N’Zoth got bigger?
How will this new old god differ from the ones that we have already killed? I mean, we fought against Jailer, who is (according to Steve Danuser) stronger than Titans, and won. And even Jailer has warned us against a bigger threat. If this new threat is just a new old god I am unimpressed.
Well May be Steve Danuser doesn't really know wow like us i suppose ?? I cant imagine jailer being stronger than Sargeras tbh
To be honest, you cannot be impressed longer. Shadowlands was a failed gamble and Blizzard killed any possibility of being impressed/involved after moving the threat up to reality-shattering stuff. One minute you're fighting some ancient god of Death in the forge of Reality, the next, you're fighting dragons…
Sorry for nerd emoji, but technically, we didn't kill any Old God, only their avatars.
But maybe this was retconned too, so maybe I'm wrong
@@twinixsn6679 this was never true what are you talking about? We killed the Old Gods. They're all dead.
@@pusillirex Shadowlands was fine, you crybabies just love crying and will never stop, it's the center of your existence. You serve the cosmic power of crying and shit throwing.
Still think this is Yogg Saron in the picture. Not a 5th old god
Its not the 5 old god its the dimension the leader of void lords
finally.
Aman'thul rips old god from the planet ,also he rips world tree from the planet... I'm sure there is no connection there 😕
what if Azeroth herself is 5th Old God?
Uhh blizzard didn't retcon that there were only 4 old gods. Did you forget chronicle was a history book written by the point of view of the titans. The 5th old God absolutely can still be xalitath. She was killed and her essence put in the blade
right thats what i thought . the old gods were send to azzeroth to overtake and prepare it for the void instead they went rough and split azzeroth into their spheres of influence xalithath probably wanted to stay loyal to the void so they sealed her into the blade since killing her would leave her echo and will like it did when yhasharaj was killed . i hope they go with this one
Spoiler alert,but the fifth Old God have spider legs.
Warcraft Lore really starts to feel wierd with these giant Redcons/"It has always been this way". I get that we need new lore for new expansions but why not... you know create actually new lore and not constantly, retroactivly changing stuff to "It was always that way". Like at first there were always 5 Old gods on Azeroth, then it was retconned to 4 and now its 5 again, retconning the retcon... like why?
Because chronicle is told from a titans perspective. We now know there are lots of things the titans hid from us. So if this new old God was either 1 they didn't know of or could not imprison him. This then would make sense why it was omitted from chronicle
Bad writing
@TheHorreK2 you miss the whole point, as the guy said chronicles and everything uptill now is told by our beliefs of what the Titans have told us.
They always spoke of 4 old gods but there were few leaks on 5th one, art in chronicles that goes on borders show all 4 old gods we know and 1 more unknown entity that looks like old god but we havent ever seen.
Point of whole thing is now we know titans have been hiding stuff for their own uses, we were lied and deceieved for about 25 years, and now that we know that Amanthul and Norgannon will be biggest villains franchise ever had everything we ever know is brought to question.
You clearly don't know what the word retcon means.
Learning something new about a place you simply got no clue of is no retcon.
Retcon is, when you are told: oh, by the way, on the of your street has always been a giant tower full of monsters.
@@ricky6608 Nah, if the writing would be bad, you crybabies would love it, you love shit writing and when the story is some stupid plot armor rule of cool garbage.
how did these earthen not get affected by the curse of flesh?
im not expert but as i know the curse of flesh is the creation of yogg saron and seems its not obtained just by being close to old gods or their servants, maybe, i guess.
It's because they weren't visited by infected Titanforged. Those in Pandaria, and Uldum got infected through Titanforged from Ulduar, when Yogg Saron messed with the Forge of Wills.
@@jameschristophercirujano6650 ah, i see. thank you. are the iron dwarves a different thing then?
@@orridinn Yes. Iron Dwarves are a product of the corrupted Loken, they are still Titanforged, just not the orginal Earthen design.
Mislim da onaj Old God koga su Arthas i Anub'Arak napali, zapravo nije mrtav. Ko zna..
Ne verujem ovo je u Khaz'Algaru sa kristalom koji je u Hallowfall-u.
@@Doronsmovies peti old god je jos neviđen, chroniclovi poprilično podupiru tu teoriju, no bolje je postaviti pitanje zašto su ga Titani skrivali od nas, i zašto je zatočen tamo gdje je.
@@UncrownedKingDante Da smo barem izgubli na kraju BFA od N'zotha i da je ovo sve poslije bio san/priviđanje koje nam se dešavalo,i sad se polako vracamo u realnost :P
@@Doronsmovies Ah, da. Mada, do sada smo sve Old God-ove zapravo samo uspavali ili nesto slicno. Mislim da je i taj ziv jos uvek.. u kampanji ga '' ubijamo '' ali nam lore govori da ih samo maknemo na neko vreme. Btw. odlicni su klipovi, uvek prvo like pa gledanje! Dobro je da ima jos Loremastera na ovim prostorima! \m/
@@davidzzz9125 Bukvalno moguce da je ovo samo jos jedan Vision Of N'zoth! :D Gle sad kad se probudimo, a ono otisli u buducnost.. :D
Illidari Hokmuto: So no!! Nerubians are my second favorite race and I am going to save them!!! Five god you gonna die!!!!
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Or its just a door
World of Lovecraft … I mean Warcraft
Beside being ugly tentacle monster, the old gods got little to do with those of lovecraft.
They are overall more tools of the void lords with the void being just one of several cosmic forces and even those forces don't come close to the absurdity of certain "gods" of the lovecraft verse.
@@miriamweller812 Recently in 10.1 Blizz has made it very clear that old gods now may have desires and plans of their own aside from the Void.
Times change.
@@miriamweller812if it’s an Eldredge cosmic being, it’s a love craft reference. That’s the fun though.
@@Breensprout17 I know ! Haha I’m all in for anything lovecraft-Ian
@@KhalidAskar I just love that they jam packed their own universe with references. Dark riders, old gods, even an old TBC NPC in Shattrath based oh He-man from masters of the universe complete with his very own battlecat! The Jem and the holograms named NPC’s running around darkmoon! There’s sooo many good references to spot!
does fifth old god have a name and gender.
Only an image at the moment with a ton of symbolism.
Do any of the old gods have genders? I mean they have male sounding voices but that's pretty much it.
old gods don't really have... gender? It's a fuckall mass of flesh and madness, not a dude
I mean correct me if I’m wrong here but I don’t think Lovecraft assigned genders to Eldritch Horrors either. Old gods of wow are clearly inspired by if not totally based on Eldritch Horrors. (See Death Riders from Karazan almost directly ripped off of Black Riders or “The Nine” from Tolkien for more examples)
The 5th old god is my ex girl friend 😂
If it's not N'zoth by it's appearance,it has to be Xal'atath. Old Gods rebelled against their Void Lord masters to take Azeroth's power for themselves. Xal'atath was tasked with a role similar to the titan watcher Algalon but for Void Lords. She was supposed to ready to planet for Dimensius' consumption and herald it's arrival but being the only connection Old Gods had with Void Lords, they betrayed and eliminated her. N'zoth ofc being the weakest one made a secret deal along the way. Once she was gone, Nerubians were essentially free of her. This theory would also explain how was she able to take control of Nerubians again in such a short time period.
Lets recon our retcon
They didn't retcon anything. Chronicle was a history book. Not a factual book.
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Doron for f***** sake. Blizzard told to US there is no more old gods in wow, its over
This sponsor is the cringiest ever. Like, did you miss how much people hated Diablo Immortal because it was inteded to only be on phones? This is the wrong audience for that.
I love your videos but it is really fucking hard to understand you sometimes when you speak so fast and inflect in your sentences from low to high
Really ? Again ? This is just ridiculous how many times they will give us the ,,new old god '' ?
“The Pantheon, in an attempt to study the eldritch monstrosities and find a solution to their existence, inadvertently created a fifth Old God, G'huun. It was subsequently sealed within the research facility of Uldir, now located on Zandalar.”
This is kinda old news.
“The Pantheon, in an attempt to study the eldritch monstrosities and find a solution to their existence, inadvertently created a fifth Old God, G'huun. It was subsequently sealed within the research facility of Uldir, now located on Zandalar.”
This is kinda old news.
They are running out of ideas...
out of idead on what? do you know the story so far?
@@MatTheSleepwalker as soon as a game company starts to retcon their own definitive explanations of the universe it's considered running out of ideas. And Blizzard is doing that for a while now. As far as I remember people were asking questions about the lore and Blizzard said stuff in FAQs that gets contradicted through what happens in the game more and more.
Retconning is fine when you think you can make a story better that way and sometimes it works out - but if you retcon too much it seems like you can't write good stories without taking existent ones like with the Lich King and changing them unnecessarily just to get people back to playing the game. Worked out verry well for Shadowlands - not. There is a lot of stuff they could explore and explain without saying "somehow there is another Old God".
There were hints at a fifth but if I'm not mistaken Blizzard said in the past that there are four Old Gods. People just keep speculating because of art in Chronicle etc and because players are used to Blizzard retconning stuff so they take nothing Blizzard says at face value anymore because they already changed too much. Can be a good thing that we have a fifth, can be bad. All depending on how they do it like always.
Not really. There were a lot of hints that there were in fact 5 old gods on Azeroth and not four + a book in DF pretty much confirmed that there are 5 total. At Blizzcon they said that the Nerubians are gathering Old god blood (probably from this old god's blood)for something that hasn't been explained yet (probably a ritual to start the void invasion). This would also mean that this time, unlike before, the old god isn't the main focus of the story it's involved in (Y'Shaarj or however he is spelled is an exception since he was just a heart in MoP) but more of a tool to kickstart the void invasion in Midnight. This would even bring the Old God story full circle since in the end, despite their disobedience, they would return to what they have been from the very start tools of the void lords.
@@raydafuq3570 The game doesn't contradict itself, the characters do. Chronicle is a history book written on behalf of the Titans, not Blizzard telling you the objective truth about a video game universe. There are very, very few retcons that actually *CHANGE* the lore, and many retcons that REVEAL deeper truths about it. The jailer being shit isn't a retcon, it's just really bad writing.
@@NoConsequenc3 Dude it's retconned. They advertised chronicle as the definitive lore explanation and later backed out and said it was the Titans perspective because they would contradict Chronical and got called out on it. I know the lore and it is full of retcons. And full of lost potential because of writing.