Draenor GODS Are INVADING Azeroth?! New Elune LORE
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- čas přidán 10. 05. 2024
- Why are the Genesaur and Magnaron on Azeroth and is Evergrowth related to Elune?
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So we are discovering Draenor mobs all over Khaz'Algar and I know this might seem like such a minor detail, just Blizzard being lazy and using placeholders but when you actually examine the lore and implications it is actually crazy. The magnaron we had seen is actually a new model, with 2 eyes and it's not even a magnaron however the Genesaur is called the Verdant Hulk and has apparently recently crashed into Azeroth as in someone summoned him. The genesaur are Draenor demigods of the evergrowth that once threated to turn the entire planet into a wild jungle until the 'heroic' Aggramar the titan came in and created a construct to battle them. Recent titan lore shows us that the titans are in fact lying most of the time.
All this is happening right next to what appear to be the roots of Elun'Ahir the very first world tree of Azeroth, planted by Elune and destroyed by the titans, much like how the evergrowth was destroyed on Draenor. As we know Elune is a cosmological being could she be behind the Evergrowth from Draenor and these are her minions attempting to create a new nature hivemind on Azeroth, or could this genesaur be summoned by the botani that escaped to Barrens back in BFA and he did in fact crash in from Draneor. Let's examine all the lore that we have.
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Quick correction as this video is from a week ago, we just learned the Genesaur is from Dalaran, however still doesn't discount the Evergrowth-Elune connection which is very likely. Also get amazing deals with my discount code 'DORON' gvo.deals/Doron
Why tf did Dalaran have a Genesaur?
@@jcs7206 did they not have one inside of the dalaran jail. I think we fight it as well at random since the box that opens the jails does it randomly
Im still not on the "Titans are bad" boat, trying to put morality on cosmic beings is weird to me. Doesnt exactly mean i think they're good or benevolent either, they simply are.
Like shouting at a hurricane.
Exactly, good to know I'm not the only one. Blizzard seems to want to please Pyro with his titan hatred problem
Well it makes sense considering theyre kinda inspired by greek entities and they are also morally limited beings
What do you mean? Sargeras has been the literal big bad evil since the start of the Warcraft universe. And the Void and the Old Gods has never once been anything other than absolute evil. Cosmic forces have always been governed by morality in Blizzard's writing.
@@AntrozLPs Well let's start with the Titans and Sargeras. Titans are only driven by order, not whether it's good or bad for everyone. To an average mortal there are things they have done that could be considered both good and bad, but to them it's simply Order. Sargeras wanted to purge all life in the universe, but was still following the same orderly path ad his kin just in a different way. The Eternal Ones see mortal souls as literally just fuel for whatever is necessary, an average mortal would find that questionable but they look at us no difference than the Titans do. Same could be said for Elune, just letting her favorite followers die so she can mail their souls to her sister to help her out. Now if you wanna talk Void Lords... Would you call a black hole consuming our solar system evil? Because that's pretty much what they are lol.
I wonder if this is the ancient troll race we were supposed to meet in Dragonflight.
Wasn’t that the Jaradin?
Warlords had a lot of trouble, but some of the lore pieces like the Genesaurs and the Evergrowth has a great deal of potential, so I was happy to see the Botani enter Azeroth and I really think it'd make perfect sense for them to summon a genesaur to Azeroth, perhaps one that had evaded the Horde on Draenor and ended up on it's own asteroid after Draenor's explosion. But yeah it seems likely that the Evergrowth will turn into generic mooks for the cosmic forces. Either way we're in for some interesting times in game.
I like the idea that they are all fleeing from AU Dranor, the light crusade is coming to a close, as the army of the light is preparing for its next goal, Azeroth. With Teralian at the alliances primary seat of power, I would be terrified if Yurel pops up, because we all know how her last crusade went, and seeing it first hand on Azeroth, is not going to be pretty.
Quest text indicates that crater in question is from the hammer Fearbreaker which slipped from Magni's hands during the fall of Dalaran and crashed down into the Ringing Deeps. Not from the Genesaur.
Botani: killing all the laughing skull that survived the destruction of their village
Doran: lets hear their side of the story
I wonder if Elune was once a titan and she decided to step out on the pantheon before Sargeras.
Shadowlands pretty much told us what she is. She either runs, or is part of a pantheon in the realm of Life.
@@justinb7494 She definitely doesn't run it. Cuz I don't think Xalatath would have called her an "upstart goddess" if that were the case.
@@jcs7206I think Xalatath only says that to further show how Elune's immense power and control dwarfs in comparison to what the Black Empire WAS, specifically it matters where we are talking about, which is the Tomb of Sarg.
It was a place that always had immense power and different cosmological forces tried to lay claim to it. Im assuming Xal is only envious that Elune was able to lay claim to it after the Old Gods did, in the name of life.
It's not necessarily negating her individual power respective to her cosmological force, we learn in legion/shadowlands how vast her followers are across multiple planets/worlds. The primus says she is in charge of "life" as she's the winter queens counterpart. The only negation I would assume is her rightful claim to the "newer" power she holds (ToS). They may walk the SL lore back with Metzen here now.
Really makes me wonder whether Elune was amongst the Titan Pantheon, or at least worked with them, but branched off a WHILE back maybe from disatisfaction or a grave injury. What ever ends up being the truth, I hope she's on our side and she looks cool asf.
I'm hoping the new elf/troll mix race in the War Within are some of those early Dark Trolls Elune first came in contact with. Khadgar saying Elune may have possibly created the prime Naruu, alternate Velen saying "life was formed from shards of light impacting the material universe"... *coughs hallow fall*
I got my tinfoil hat on waiting for this shit to go down so we can finally see a god tier cinematic of Elune beating some @ss 😂
@@jcs7206 While I don't think Elune is the only being in Cosmic Team Life....I'm not seeing any logical distinction from your statement. In other words, Xal'atath calling her an upstart goddess does not stop Elune from being in Cosmic Team Life, nor even being the most important member of that team. The Titans repeatedly told mortals "NOT" to worship them or call them gods. Shapers and Makers? Sure, but not gods. Likewise, the Eternals of the shadowland avoid wanting to be thought of as gods. The local void middle-managers on Azeroth are the ones that seem to very much enjoy and prefer being called gods and worshipped as gods. So to that extent, Xal'atath would complain about Elune being a rival to their status as 'gods' by calling her an "upstart". The Night Elves, back when they had their immortality, definitely called Elune their goddess. But we don't know if Elune herself wants them to call her a goddess or not.
At any rate, it does seem like all the evidence we have so far places Elune in Cosmic Team Life.
@@jcs7206 She could be more powerful but younger as an upstart, but who knows
Draenor had the potential to have at least 3 expansions worth of lore.
Thats how well the world building was done.
well the chance is there i watched the maghar allied race quest again, 2 botani and 3 saberons escaped to our azeroth
The way I see it, The Sporemounds and Evergrowth are Life equivalent of Old Gods
Could the Beladar be like the Arcatraz? Maybe all these things are escaping their stasis pods after the sword hit the planet
The rift in the earth that comprises all the zones were there thousands of years before the sword event.
@laertesindeed anything is possible, taken into consideration half the creatures he spoke about in the video tried to invade the games current timeline from an alternate Draenor past.
@@ShinShadow No...... as I had to point out in a different thread of comments elsewhere beneath this video..... the Cosmic Team Life had been attacking Draenor long in the past even in our timeline, and Cosmic Team Life was attacking Azeroth in our timeline long long long in the past, before the Black Empire even. You don't even have to pretend that there needs to be any portal from any alternate timeline. Our own timeline has enough Cosmic Team Life activities going on. All of the forces used by Cosmic Team Life would show up from their activities no matter what.
Azeroth should have had MORE refugees from both Alternative Draenor and Outland imo. That it took this long to work them into the main story is kind of shocking.
RETCON? alot of people knew that "History" means biasd view. Titan view. read the first page of chronicles.
there is a guy in the crowed at blizzcon YELLING "TITANS" when they asked "what pov is chronicles from?"
Powers from the First World Tree Elun'Ahir coming
yes, in last zone Azj-Kahet has a giant root ( possiably Elun'Ahir), the spider try to attach black blood old gods to it
fact wrong: elun ahir was NOT planet by elune..... it was planted by eonar and named after elune.
what about these creatures coming to Azeroth with the Mag'har story?
common man. even in classic wow Titans where villans. have you every read the discs of norganon in classic Uldaman?!
Sorry but most of info about the bad Titans come from Neltharions journals and he was corrupted by the Old Gods. Titans are like Naaru, not good or bad. Fire burns, it doesnt burn because its good or bad, it just burns
i dont like this idea that we now talk about that titans are bad. cause they at the end of the day have different morality and on top of that even still arent presented as Bad Guys but in pursuit of what would be considered natural to them.
Wasn't Eonar the one who planted the first world tree?
I hate this "The Titans are actually totally the bad guys, guys!"
No, no they're not. If they were they wouldn't give two shits about being careful with planets. Aggramar would've just split Draenor in half because of such aberrations against order. Instead they try to delegate to not damage the planets they're involved with, learning from the mistake they made with Y'shaarj in Azeroth.
Blizzard will never make me believe the only cosmical forces fighting against the Void, The Burning Legion, Elemental Lords that submit to the void, old gods, etc are "ackthually" the bad guys. It's okay to have factual good guys, Blizzard. And it's okay to not be just the players.
Like, I was laughing whenever I saw lore objects from the primalists perspective where they're trying to defend the old gods. The OLD GODS???? REALLY??? YOu're gonna try to paint the titans as bad by defending the OLD GODS??
I have never understood the logical fallacies of people pretending the Titans are bad (other than rare examples of Sargeras violating all their principles and defecting, or Eonar violating their principles and hiding her conspiracy, etc)
It doesn't feel like the Titans were the bad guys to me? Instead it seems like they were the good guys, but didn't have exactly the perfect perspective, which makes sense imo, even the Titans could be biased.
That said, I didn't play Dragonflight so the defending the old gods part is lol
@@nobushige33 Your lack of playing dragonflight isn't holding you back from understanding anything, so don't feel bad there. I played through every quest and every campaign and every readable treasure item in all of Dragonflight... and the Titans are still not the bad guys. Dragonflight had the problem of Danuser writing... in that it doesn't make any sense, and does not have any consistency with previous warcraft fiction. We have a huge problem with earth and fire and ice and air elements......so naturally we should go find the Elemental Lords and the Shamans and figure out what the problem is, right....? Nope. Not once did we ever do that. Literally never. Not the launch patch, not the epilogue patch, and nowhere in between. Never. We have some mysteries about a titan facility with titan machines.... so naturally we should go find Thorim/Freya/Mimiron/Hodir/Mother to ask what really happened or if they can help us..... and maybe even go confront Odyn based on what we learn... right? Nope. Not once did we ever do that. Instead we spend the entire expansion having villains that have proven themselves to be insane and unethical and evil toward both the planet and mortals on it..... making complaints and accusations and false assumptions and flat out lies to us about the Titans. And then since content creators love having click bait titles for their videos..... they automatically believe the villains and never think about the past lore.
Well the thing is it's not Blizzard trying to make you believe this, it's content creators who try making these headcanon theories and players who eat them up as facts. You're correct they aren't these big bad guys, but they aren't good and benevolent either. Can't place morality on beings who's only thought process is Order.
@@justinb7494 Do you have some definition of order that I don't know about...? Because I'll admit....everything I've seen the non-violating Titans do seems ethically great so far. If I had pretty great parents and pretty great best friends....they all may have various hopes and aspirations for what I do with my life...involving avoidance of criminality and ethical excellence and a flourishing career, etc. Those parents and best friends may not be perfect, they may decide not to tell me certain things if they think it will keep me out of trouble; and some of the things they tell me I may shrug my shoulder and say nah, I'll do something else. But if a content creator makes a video complaining "Your parents and best friends are not benevolent! ....their only thought process is to encourage you to have a flourishing and excellent existence without criminality! They can't be moral if that's all they want!" .....then I'm left having no idea what that content creator means. What part of order am I supposed to disagree with.....?
And while you didn't say it, I've seen other content creators who don't understand the lore pretend that titans want only robots to exist everywhere. But that is not what order means, their plan for Azeroth was always going to include living things of flesh, and light magic, and elements like earth and fire and lightning and water or the sea. The only reason the Titans claim that they created the Earthen and metal Vrykul was that they were having trouble with the Old Gods' immoral behavior....and the standard default fleshy planned mortals were too easily corrupted by whispers of those old gods. So they went with their plan B, of converting metals and stone from Azeroth into Earthen and metal Vrykul to defeat the Old Gods and get them locked away. Then they would go back to their ordering plan of fleshy mortals with light magic and all the rest. Which, incidentally, they did.... with the Elves and Dwarves and Tauren and Dragons, etc. So again.... I'm not sure what about order I'm supposed to hate.
Blizzard just be making up lore now with dice or tarot cards or something
Unfortunately the story is starting to get confusing again 🤔 It seems to me like the Titans and Elune are having a fight over responsibility.
Botani came with Maghar orcs. Thats it.
Blizzard have reused models from other zones that make NO sense since the beginning of the WoW!
No. No Elune/Evergrowth. No need to make everything connected and make the vast universe feel smaller.
I think you are making a mistake of assuming that Draenor is a source, rather than Draenor being a consequence of a separate source. Like..... if you are around your Aunt Gertrude, and then you find that you have a cold virus..... it is not appropriate to say that Aunt Gertrude is invading your body. Instead, you would have to admit that a separate source, the cold virus itself..... had attacked your Aunt Gertrude, and when there was proximity between Gertrude and you, that cold virus had the opportunity to spread its attack upon you as well. In the case of Draenor, Cosmic Team Life was attacking that planet and destroying it...... and regardless of whether there was any portal access later, Cosmic Team Life was also attacking the planet Azeroth many thousands of years ago, before the Black Empire.
Cosmic Team Life is the source of this problem, not draenor.
There is absolutely no evidence showing the Titans are "the bad guys" ..... that's nonsense.
That makes them interesting
@@neptunviro The fact that they are "NOT" the bad guys makes them interesting, yes. The fact that your parents and best friends are on your side but none of them are perfect and you may even decide not to follow their advice on various things is precisely the situation we are in with the Titans.
Naive Doron. :D Blizzard 100% lazy ...they just added it to lore to make it look deep. Which on other side is shame. Blizzard overall is absurdly lazy.
This is all over the place. For me, real Warcraft lore ended after Frozen Throne.
I absolutely hate this "titans bad" lore. If that's the plot, then I'm definitely not playing it. Steve Denuser is the one who brought this "titans are lying, titans bad" stuff. Lore is dead.
Lore is dead but not because of that hahaha. Seriously that grey vibes on the titans makes them more interesting.
@@neptunviro they have always been grey, but now Blizzard wants to make them bad
I wouldn't blame Steve. It's content creators who say "oh Titans are bad because of (insert what they did)" and players who eat it up as facts. Like the idea of Azeroth being kept in stasis or prison by the Titans or keeping truths from mortals to me is cool, it's consistent with how they were depicted in Wrath.
Eh wow lore is so convoluted now.
godzilla and bigfoot has a bastard brat lol 00:11