Hybrid Estates Shootout PT3: BMW 330e vs Skoda Octavia | Fifth Gear
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Damn didn't see that coming! The Skoda looked like it's got no hope against the BMW, but what a result! Superb! Yup, Superb is also a Skoda model.
If youre looking for "track" performance you shouldnt be looking at hybrids in the first place..anyone buying a hybrid or electric BMW probably has no dignity or self respect. At least it lowers bmw lineup emissions on paper so the actually good cars (petrol 2, 3, 4 and 5 series) are reasonably priced. Superb with 4x4 would surely wipe the floor with the 330e, even the octavia if the hybrid version had a 4x4 version..
Saw what you did there 😅
Should've done a second lap with the BMW, too...
Oh shut up fanboy
Fair.
But wow that Skoda... I really like the BMW though..
Yes
Skoda wouldn't keep with a well driven 330e
Agreed. He also said he wasn't pushing it hard in the BMW.
Fantastic - I really do wish more SUV drivers would come to their senses and get a 500kg less heavy more internal space vehicle.
Yeah, I've had a SUV (first gen X3) just to try one and sure it was a good car but it always just felt too big, too small on the inside despite being massive, VERY heavy and had worse fuel consumption than a normal E46.
Drove well for an SUV as is expected from a BMW but it felt very compromised.
I also don't understand why people want the extra height, it makes so little difference in reality.
@@kristoffer3000 Wait till you get older, ease of access is a very big plus factor.!!
@@neilleng9188 I think a lot of the cross over cars are high enough for making getting In and out easier. All you really need is a volvo v60 xc it's just the normal estate car slightly lifted. With plastic grey arch covers
@@neilleng9188 It was pretty crap to get in and out of due to the running boards being at an awful spot so it didn't even have that going for it.
I'm 31 and in decently good health so I can't complain but getting into a normal sedan, even a relatively low one like my 06 E220 CDI (fantastic car btw) isn't all that bad.
@@kristoffer3000 First gen BMW X3 was one of the worst SUVs ever made.
Running boards are a gimmick and serve no purpose. You need to try the range of Skoda SUVs.
That was the biggest WTF moment for me after Game of Thrones! 😅
2 cars ago I had a Skoda Kodiak which I really loved; now I have made the switch to BEVs and our 5th is a Skoda Enyaq (overdue). Skodas are very well made with excellent design features.
Yeah but a skoda is a skoda though..😂
I love these two please keep doing what u do for a lot more..thank you!
Is it just me or Vicki looks better with years? Great video!
Haven't seen fifth gear for a while, and she really doesn't seem to have aged.
Where are your glasses !?
@@kermita12 Where are your glasses !?
Your standards drop as you get older. 😂😂
I was gonna be saying it’s abit of a rigged test if the final challenge is the BMW’s strongpoint, and then the Skoda went and won 😵 that Skoda is one hell of a car !
BMW fan boys couldn't wait to call foul play 🤣🤣
Hehe, that was impressive by the Octavia. To be fair though, he did say he wasn't going to drive the BMW very hard. 1:17
You can see how gently he drives the BMW in the corners which affects the exit speed. They probably did this because they would get a lot of complains comparing an almost 300 hp BMW to a 200 hp Skoda. And either way it isn’t really a test if you drive the first car once and the second car twice. The second run was also dryer and if a proper driver would drive the cars for more than one or two laps I can guarantee the BMW is way faster. I mean faster in the straights, better cornering, doesn’t understeer and 4 wheel drive. This is coming from a G21 330e driver so I know how it handles, especially in the rain, because Sweden.
@@victorhansen839 Skoda is so much less and more practical, unfortunately who cares about Bmw here.
@@victorhansen839 i have the same skoda and it nails 330e’s for breakfast, in a straight line mind
@@chrisgreen4620 😆
Got one of these as a company car, great little engine and surprising in sports mode!
surely he must've been holding back in the bmw for tv's sake
BMW is Mr Flabby 🤣 The Skoda is 300kg lighter.....that's three large passengers worth. 🤔
Plato has two speeds;
1. Flat out
2. Asleep
300kg is a F ton of weight to lug around, also the 1.4T Hybrid VAG unit is well known to be underrated and also softer suspension is more drivable in the wet. Yeah but also 300kg! The power to weight ratio is basically the same
@@timhancock6626 but it has way more power, torque, suspension and cornering.
The Bmw is about £10k more than the Octavia before options.
As Skoda owner I always been surprised when I drove cars with twice displacement, or twice the hurpurss, because in normal life & conditions they aren't faster, even in rapid, non racing acceleration, and when you also put the gas in the ecuation, the Skoda can go faster running cheaper
And please don't talk about twisted mountain roads... And the clever overall setup: suspension, transmission, steering, lightweight i can go faster without under/overstering. Issues
Simply Clever.
Haha nice.. simply based on power and Xdrive I was expecting a 2 second lead from the BMW. The softer setup and lighter weight must have been the reason for the win in the wet.
Well they did a second lap with the Skoda, not sure why not with the BMW as well?!:) a bit strange :)
@@shoarectube they wanted this result, because they knew it would bring more reactions (being so controversial). Plato even said that he was going to take it easy in BMW. The bimmer could probably go 5 sec faster than that time, if they drove it properly.
@@mistreku my point exactly
Only issue is the BM must me more enjoyable to drive, heavy or not. Also looks a hell of a lot better
Excellent! My next company car sorted 😁
wow, good bit of creative writting from the director here! i mean, he got us all!
Got a diesel Octavia but think this will be the next step before taking the leap to full EV.
A 245hp Octavia vRS would have been a better match price wise. Own one but miss my previous gen 2.0tsi which felt sporty. This one is swift but heavy
Would still strongly recommend any Octavia though!
It would be interesting to see them both in the dry although the weight difference is probably still the deciding factor
Surely the wet played into the BMW'S Advantage
According to what they tell in the video, they used the "Sport mode" on the BMW. This is limiting the power to 252 hp.
You need to select the "xtraboost mode" to get the 292 hp. That would probably make a difference.
Now, both are very good cars.
I own a 330e (G21) Touring xDrive and a 190 hp petrol Octavia 3 Combi 4x4 (currently my wife's car).
This last one is much lighter and supposed to be more performant than the hybrid Octavia.
I still find the BMW more performant, though. And the driving is a bit more refined.
Uuuu Beemve fan buehehehe
I've never understood the need to press more buttons to get more power, when you've already got a right foot paddle to play with.
@@qlimaxseeunextyear I have got two Octavia in a row. The 1.8 TSi and the 2.0 TSi 4x4. Best cars I have had so far, until the 330e. And even better than the BMW if habitability is considered. I would have bought the Octavia RS hybrid if it could be chosen with 4wd. That’s probably the best value for the price you can get as an hybrid car.
@@polomint46 having different driving modes is awesome. the buttons completely transform the driving characteristics of a car,that’s why they are so popular. Taking the Mrs on a trip out; Eco-pro for a nice smooth efficient drive so she doesn’t get car sick. Driving to work; comfort, nice mix of power and refinement. You’re blasting down country roads or you see a brand new Porsche 911 on the dual carriageway and want him to show off; stick in sport, give it full beans and feel amazing 🤩 I didn’t think I’d like them, but having a car with them is amazing.
@@polomint46I have the latest 330e and it will extra boost in any mode no button pressing, just press your foot down fully to activate it.
Please upload all parts at same time
Octavia ftw
Is the Skoda one of the cars that had the battery recall recently?
Did they have the same size and brand tyres?? 🤔🤔🤔🤔
90 hp down, 2 sec slower to 100, softer susp, 2wd on wet. And faster? Yeh…. Right. Give us a honest race.
300kg lighter and the softer suspension is an advantage in the wet.
@@bremCZ but not 2wd and 90 hp less. 4wd and power is a huge advantage.
@@14Tommere 4wd is a huge advantage when you're pushing it as hard as possible and accelerating as hard as possible out of the corners.
He said he wasn't going to drive as hard as possible.
When you're not that weight makes even more difference.
@@bremCZ but they do a track test here to compare the cars on track. The BMW is about 40% stronger. If you account for the weight it still is about 20% up. And it has 4wd. The BMW is 2 sec faster 0-100. Maybe the Skoda can keep up on really wet if they dont push but then track battles seems a bit out of purpose.
What's the matter!?
BMW fan, are we!
Soft chassis set up & less weight count for a lot in the wet.
Yup, too stiff.
SIMPLY CLEVER …. ❤️
You probably could have compared the octavia vRS plug in hybrid
I’ve owned both the Skoda Octavia IV and the 330e (saloons) and the Beemer was way quicker in a straight line and handled a whole lot more competently. The Skoda cost me £28k whereas the 330e was over 40k but I’d still go back and buy another 330. Also, electronics on the Skoda were so bad they fully refunded the car after 4 months of constant warning lights and screen freezes. Shame because it was nice to drive and averaged 70mpg.
Imagine if they used the vrs iv
I have had an Octavia 4x4 estate for five years. I have had a BMW 320 touring as a loan car a few times and it was lardy and dull compared to my Skoda.
Uah, sure sure. I have had second generation Octavia with 1.2 TSi crappy engine and it was a disaster in many ways. No i have F31 and it is way more fun 2 drive and better in any ways and it looks so much better than any Skoda
Skoda extremely underrated brand. I got a 245 vrs and its freaking brilliant!!
Hi. Strange result.
Did you select eXtraboost as sport mode for the BMW? if not, you were missing 40hp...
They didn't use launch control in skoda either...
@@lukabosnjak3829 eXtraboost has nothing to do with the launch control. This is a sport mode where you can access the full power of the electric motor, giving you additional 40 hp temporarily during acceleration. In other words, with the sport mode selected by the driver in the video, the 330e is limited to 252 hp iso 292.
ah yes! ... a lap around the race track... the cornerstone of every respectable estate comparison...
Yes.
Just to point out, the 330e isn’t technically 292 hp. It only has that on full charge on a 10 second boost. It’s actually around 250hp and if the battery is down, its more like a heavy 320i with 200hp. It’s also a classic mini heavier than the Skoda.
it’s not just about power to weight. The Skoda was understeering as they said. The BMW was 4 wheel drive and he said the car had plenty of grip but he didn’t push it at all. HE EVEN SAID THAT😂. He was literally cruising the car for 1 lap and called it a day. the Skoda was leaning so much in the corners. They pushed it hard hence they mentioned the body roll. They just used the BMW to dry up the track for the Skoda to drive. And how is it even fair in the first place to lap one car more than the other?
It's fair because pther car is maby even 1/3 the price before starting the options on the bmw (which can double the price)...
@@lukabosnjak3829 the test was about which car would go fastest around their track, not which car will fastest empty your pocket
@@victorhansen839 The test was to select the best phev estate form those 4 and Skoda won easily...
@@lukabosnjak3829 the Skoda is better value but if you have the money and you are considering one of those 4 the BMW is just best. Not best value but it’s the best all rounder car out of the 4. Go drive a 330e and then a Skoda and you will see what I mean. You can’t possibly say the Skoda is a better car than the BMW
@@victorhansen839 It's not the best car because of the price, unreliability, lack of space... How can it be the best if its most expensive? Simply think logically and with the fact that skoda was faster, larger and just as comfortable and won't attract so many people.
Also, superb l&k phev is comparable with the bmw 3 and just blows it away for the price...
However... you did drive the BMW semi sensibly and the Skoda like a loon... how is that fair? lol
Didn't push either past their grip limit. 300kg is alot of weight extra to lug around
@@jameshogg601 he said the BMW had plenty of grip and that he wouldn’t push it. If he pushed there would have been body roll and oversteering or understeering. The driver didn’t even try to go fast.
I have a feeling Jason Plato and VBH know what they’re doing behind the wheel of a car.
@@victorhansen839 no he said he wouldn't rag it which isn't going to be quicker than just keeping it neat and tidy.
I think it would have been fairer to compare an Octavia RS iV.
In India 🇮🇳 the cost difference between the Octavia and 3 series saloon is around double. Around £30,000 for SKODA n £60k for BMW
The Škoda Superb base variant is around £40k
Skoda is the true underdog that packs a nasty surprise
Don't know about nasty.
Skoda beats BMW, ha ha. That’s annoyed a lot of BMW fans 😂
Ultimate Driving Machine?
Jason wasn’t driving the bmw at 7/10ths. He could have easily gone quicker and smashed the Skoda. Even if he drove both of them as fast as he could.
Dude 300kg heavier is a boat load of mass and made the power to weight ratios comparable. Also softer suspension is better in the wet and the Skoda didn’t have traction issues. I fully expect the BMW to be faster in the dry but considering Plato is more competent than either of us behind the wheel and he’s a BMW fan I very much doubt there was any foul play. Those reactions were genuine.
Yea exactly he said I'm going to take it easy
@@k-ron7403 it wasn’t foul play, he just took it easy in the BMW. You can clearly see he wasn’t pushing it, he even said he wasn’t going to go mad in the bmw. It’s a shame really as the BMW should have won. But, both great cars in their own right.
JP the front wheel drive demon.
Any chance you forgot the engage the extra boost mode?
Yes, they forgot. He explained he selected sport mode…
But he also forgot launch control for the skoda...
@@lukabosnjak3829 I think the skoda is a great car especially at this price point, but that last challenge looks very oriented to me.
If you listen closely, you can hear, bmw"s fun boys crying
Interesting. It’s the weight of the BMWs 4x4 system will kills the performance around that track. Ironic really seeing as they only added it in the first place to stop their real wheel drive cars from losing the back end in the wet or snow!
Driven the Skoda first may have been a diff result ?
The track is dryer in the second run because the car before has dried it up if you know what I mean
Jason needs to drive the bmw again..but like he stole it! 😂
Go Skoda and 10k cheaper no brainier for me,I ama little bit biased as I own a Octavia vrs estate.but 10 grand in your pocket is nothing to be sniffed at.
Skoda Superb PHEV !
Like it could keep up with the Beemer lol
Bravo Skoda!!!!
Looks like Skoda’s marketing paid a lot
All I want is a 3 series touring EV. Please
Bravo Škoda!!! 💚
Vicky ftw
Jason took it easy in the BM . . . . how much where Skoda paying?
Were*
Might be the tyres. Does the BMW come with eco tyres?
No they are basically the same power to weight. Plus those VAG hybrid engines are notoriously strong so I wouldn’t be surprised if the Skoda had a performance boost. Going on what they said here how it felt punchier I suspect it did
@@k-ron7403 4 wheel drive should have definitely helped the BMW in those conditions. Whilst VW was bad at lying at their emissions they seem good at lying about power in a good way (most of the time they are more powerful than stated).
@@paultasker7788 Most German cars are underrated from the factory
Must be because he said I'm not going to drive outright quick in the bmw
Looks like the Skoda was driven FAR more aggressively and you said he BMW was in sport mode? Why not Xtraboost? That's the whole point with the BMW - you're paying for extra features that make it a sporty hybrid and you didn't enable them? ON A FRIGGIN TRACK!!!??? I mean, if you're going to enable it anywhere surely you'd do it there of all places.
Short technical track.horsepower means nothing.
ask my dogs and the horsebox... WHY would i need an x7/gls??? WHY DOES ALL THE REST HAVE TO BE "SPORTY"???
lol. Go find a video of Vicky racing a bmw s1000rr. Trust me, it’s worth it. Apparently a bmw s1000rr doesn’t have the straight line speed compared to a hatchback BMW I think it was.
Probably should have retimed the BMW in case that time got messed up some how.
Power to weight ratios are the same and softer suspension is better in wet. Also that 1.4 Hybrid Turbo unit is meant to be very underrated. Many outlets have found the same engine in the GTE Golf routinely performs better than VWs official figures. I have no reason to call this BS. Those reactions looked very genuine
@@k-ron7403 I see. Even so that BMW is meant to be very quick to accelerate and it rolled far less in the bends. 4 wheel drive on the BMW should have really helped it in the wet conditions too. It's a shock result and shows that weight matters.
@@paultasker7788 X drive certainly would have helped it in the wet. I’ve owned enough x drives and Quattros to confirm common sense in that regard but above a certain speed x drive will serve little benefit and becomes a net loss due to weight. That being said it will largely be reversed for a wet launch or slow speed corner exits. Mind you that Skoda hooked up very well from a dig, mainly due to its softer suspension.
Which comes on to my final point. Stiffer suspension does not always translate to a faster car, specially in the rain, and specially if your running the dreaded run flats with no side wall give etc. You always want to run softer in wet than in the dry for increased performance. Naturally much like 4wd there is a drop off. I’m not saying a Range Rover will corner better than a BMW cause it’s softer, naturally there is a balance. I always run my cars in individual mode with comfort suspension, and sport everything else. On Uk roads it’s more compliant, more comfortable and usually just as quick.
Not the first time i smell rigged from this show. The 330e is a hilariously capable car that can hang with sportscars with the right driver in it. So how a 1.4l skoda is faster on a mostly speed biased track with almost 90hp less is beyond me
Drive one, you will be surprised how well the gearbox use the engine, and how the rear was setup
I own an 1.0T Rapid and in twisted roads, non straight was faster than anything than Nissan, Mazda or chevy had in the same segment, even with engines of 2.0 displacement, and frankly, on daily basis, with the current gas prices... It's faster too because still is cheaper to run
Stil I'm amazed than a 10k+ bimmer was slower, one used to think than they got everything solved, instead some Japanese automakers
@@chacaf22 i’ve driven many GTE cars (same drivetrain) and they’re definetly potent but the BMW behaves like a car one class above both in handling and performance, it’s an outright more capable car. We have an rwd 330e and whilst the VAG 1.4 hybrids are easier to drive fast the Bmw is far more capable once pushed by an experienced driver.
@@MrToastyman900 yeah, maybe that's the thing, with wet a more easier car to drive, actually permits go faster
Anyway they're professional drivers, so one tends to thinks than trickier conditions not being an issue for them (even if they are "just journalists", they have more experience and expertise than average driver)
As I mentioned, they didn’t use the full power (xtraboost mode) of the 330e… Better to read the owner manual first, next time…
I don’t think people understand power to weight or just how heavy 300Kgs is. That 1.4T Hybrid unit from its inception was quicker than VW claimed. They knocked it’s figures back as to not step on the GTis toes but many outlets have it underrated in performance. Anyone who thinks this is rigged is truly a BMW fanboy
This proves that it’s faster but they had more fun and felt more alive in the BMW
Poor old BMW, good job they did not use the vRS 245ps version!
Was just about to comment indeed… In several countries you can take a vRS plug-in version with the 245ps engine.
It does all come down to weight I had a Skoda Octavia 1.5 mark 3 she weighed in at1.225kg used to take on my son's 2L diesel BMW and waste it BMW was a lot heavier and my Skoda was very very light rapid
Why not give the BMW another run too...?
next time we'll see a dacia beating a koenigsegg...
Bring back Tiff!!!!!!!!
And you wouldn’t be seen dead in it.
No, because it's one of the safest cars on the road!!!!!!!!
😑 No. That Skoda is not quicker than the BMW. Just goes to show how much you can trust Fift Gear reviews…
It literally is so in a track.
Is not the first time that a lighter, less powerful car is quicker on a track than a heavier, stronger engine. It is called physics.
This is a skoda its very cool car i have a superb
In the age of modern technology.... Why are lap times being inaccurately measured by someone guessing where the finish is & pressing a button on their phone & then stating a time to a fraction of a second. I think 5th gear need to borrow carwows specialist timing gear!
Bloody hell he has aged
Superb estate would be a better competitor to BMW
Octavia is more similar in size, Superb would have obliterated the test...
is there a VW equivalent of that Skoda in the USA?
Passant Estate is closest
No..
@@williamegler8771 what do you mean no
Equivalent car would be the Golf Estate. In Europe we also have the SEAT Leon Estate. The A4 is also very close in size but the Passat and A6 are bigger.
@@BlackFlag94 no I know an octavian shares its underpinnings with the golf but a golf estate is much smaller. The a4 and passat are comparable you can't compare an a4 avant to the segment below it
Very scientific! 🤣
Skoda won this fair and square 🤑. Excellent job VW. Long live Skoda 🔥🔥
There's no way the skoda is faster that's paid marketing
Power to weight
@@k-ron7403 it’s not just about power to weight. The Skoda was understeering as they said. The BMW was 4 wheel drive and he said the car had plenty of grip but he didn’t push it at all. HE EVEN SAID THAT😂 the Skoda was leaning so much in the corners. They pushed it hard hence they mentioned the body roll
@@victorhansen839 Yeah sure thing I guess they all lied, its all a conspiracy, they clearly wanted the Skoda to win. I hope they explain this outcome to BMW when they get those future press cars. I can’t imagine this random review that was seen by probably not that many people was worth all the underhand tactics in dragging that Skoda across the line first. Or maybe it was to piss off all the butthurt BMW fan bois, now that I might believe if only for a moment. That said I still see zero reason nor upside in doing this but hey I can’t say for 100% they didn’t so I’ll leave it there. Either way I’m glad the Skoda won. A £55k 3 series is not £15-20k better than the Skoda and considering I have a long history of BMW ownership and zero Skoda’s it doesn’t hurt me to say that
He pushed the skoda harder then the beamer
No he didn’t you just watched through your BMW rose tinted specs. It makes perfect sense if you take them off.
No. The Skoda is ligther, so it looks more shacken. Then BMW is just a brick with lots of HP.
He was trying a lot harder in the Skoda.
Power to weight
@@k-ron7403 Yeah, 300 kgs make a big difference, but nearly a 100 hp (and a lot more torque as well) and all wheel drive should be enough to compensate.
Jason did say he was not going all out in the BMW.
@@dany1441 Yeah but he also didn’t say he was going flat out in the Skoda either, probably just driving for the conditions. If I had to guess it was just a combination of A, the BMW being heavy which impacts all areas of performance not just acceleration which yes the X-drive will compensate for. That said the Skoda had zero traction issues off the line. And B the MQB chassis is darn good and the TSi hybrid engine is very underrated with conservative figures (I suspect it’s higher than 204ps). However finally C and the biggest factor I believe is likely the BMW was on a more summer performance tire and the Skoda on a more all season tire which just so happened to suit conditions on the day. I certainly don’t think there is a grand conspiracy to do BMW dirty. These guys have press cars and manufacture relationships to think about
@@k-ron7403 I don't think there is a conspiracy either, and you're making valid points (I've been driving almost nothing but fast Golfs since 2004, and I'm Skoda fan). But I do believe he rode the Skoda harder than he did the BMW.
@@dany1441 Yeah same here 3 biggest brand ownerships in my life have been 1st BMW, 2nd Audi and 3rd VW. I’ve literally back to back owned a GTE > GTi+ > GTD > R and the most surprising was the GTE for sure. It was easily quicker than the stats suggested. What hurt it was extra weight in the twisties but other than that it was a great car. He may well have been driving the BMW slower I dunno but I don’t know what they would have to gain from it at all. Those reaction seemed genuinely shocked. And given these two are racing drivers I don’t know why they would want to do the car or their craft dirty like that
This is how you end up on Dave or Quest or who knows where next! Be consistent with the tests, it's not that hard.
Obese makes slow .
in my experience, BMW is the 'ultimate driving machine'..... broken down and on the side of the road
Unlucky. Mine is rapid, practical, a joy to drive and 100% reliable.
Honey
Any car is more comfortable than a BMW .
4:45 - I disagree with what Vicky is saying there. The majority of 'SUVs' cannot cross a muddy field anyway. SUVs are utterly pointless, more polluting, more expensive and dangerous vehicles. They should be banned. If you need the space, buy an estate or a van.
What a pointless last test.
No fucking way thats legit. 1 or 2 more laps in that Bmw and it wouldve beaten that skoda no doubt. But they get clicks this way soo..
Easy 😜
Not a chance, rigged.
Did I just see Vicky start the time after the Octavia had moved
Yes
@@emailstomarek 🤣🤣
Yeah BMW fanboys pick this one up every time. Funny that 😂
@@k-ron7403 not a fan boy but time keeping wasnt right
@@emailstomarek Ok cool but ask yourself, what possible reason would they have to lie, it serves them no purpose, they don’t get anything from it other than irking BMW who no doubt loaned them the car. Also factor in power to weight ratios are the same and Plato has a very successful racing history of driving FWD cars very fast round a track. Plus he’s a known BMW fan.
Add to that softer suspension is better in wet conditions and that VAG engine is underrated. VWs official figures for the GTE were known to be conservative as to not step on the GTI’s toes. So wouldn’t surprise me if the Skoda has a slight advantage in power to weight
Fix
BMW has lost it's charmes.
🤣🤣🤣🙈🙈👍👍🙏🙏