Artifical Intelligence AI - A Curse To Music
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I worry what AI means to music as a profession, but one thing that gives *some* comfort is that no matter what happens, the joy of making music "manually" can never be taken from us.
Great video. "If I'm not better tomorrow than I am today, then I've failed myself. " I had this convo with a client that I've been mentoring that basically refuses to learn. I told him the the day I stop learning and improving my craft is the day that I die. If it happens before that, then that means I quit. The generation coming into the game now worries me because of the ease of everything and how fast end results that are "acceptable" happen.
Not worried about AI in music. I’ve been playing drums for over 3 decades and I find the logic drummer to be incredibly useful when writing and recording songs. It’s a quick easy drum sketch to write over before putting actual drums down and when recording, it’s the best click track in the world.
Based take, I agree this is where it's headed. AI will streamline *tasks*, but it's still on you to do the *job*.
It better fucking pay me copyright before that though.
Especially when making music alone, I think treating AI as a creative person could be a good thing. The majority of my writers block comes from lack of meaningful feedback. I think I could get that from AI. I don't need to write the whole song for it to be an interesting process to me.
I'm a bass player and I'm very happy for having the session bass player.
I usually do not write bass by playing because I don't want my technical limitations to get in the way of writing a cool sounding line. So having an AI writing the base "root note over the kickdrum" line for me is basically cutting time of my process because then I can just go in and get creative, much in the same way that, after the MIDI is done and I'm recording the actual bass I'll add some slides, syncopation, etc. to make it my own.
There will for sure be people out there that will use AI to replace them, and that can also be of value, but we should look at these tools from the perspetive of "how can I make this work FOR me"
Very excelent examination, thank you for sharing.
Another great vid thanks Bazzle!
I want AI to listen to my song and accurately create the sheet music and guitar tab.
Mostly there, already. Those products exist. But do it extremely well, give it only two or three more years. It will definitely be here soon.
But, as I said, there are already iPhone and iPad apps that do that now, and they will only get much better …
There are some good CZcamsrs talking about AI and one on how it will affect musicians and composers doing the bread and butter gigs many live on. The real artist type AI is going to have little effect on them, but for the media composers, ones creating music for sync licensing, as the person put it the "Middle class" musician and computer they are going to be losing out on work to AI generate music because it will be far cheaper and created faster. So the real artist will still be working and creating and people buying their work, or the hobbiest at home making music for there own pleasure they will be still creating music for themselves, but that middle ground musician and media composer they are going to start having to look to other ways to make a living. The same situation as robotics has done to industries for decades with machine taking jobs humans used to do.
Now another CZcamsr put out a video today on AI I found very interesting. He used AI song creating tool fed it a description of what he wanted and it generated a full tune in a couple minutes. He then told it to make the song longer and to make some variations on the song and the AI song generator did that. Then he took the version of the song he like and put it through a AI stem separator and took the results and sucked them into his DAW. Long story short he started adding he creativity redo the drums, editing parts, using automation to add dynamics, taking pieces of the other variations and adding them in and so on. He used AI to create a base tune that he then used his creativity to create a new song. That how you will still be creative, that how you can still make Barry music. That is basically how people who use samples work. They take samples and flip, modify, add effects and so on, then mix with other samples they flip, parts they play and create new music. They use prior art to create new art. Now instead of sampling records the AI will recreate from it data the basic tune to start with. Using prior art to make new art has been going on in the Arts for hundreds of years. AI is a tool and only a replacement if you want it to be.
Spot on👍🏼
Hi Buddy, the big problem with AI is how it is going to devaluate our job, by multplying the offer of noise confused with music the price to which we can set our services will be below the surviving or reproduction price to keep on going.
Logic is $200. Ai is scary. It’s good in certain ways, but very scary.
Amen to that Barry!!!🙌🏻🙌🏻
I'm 1000 percent with this Brother! This whole thing is getting scary.
Thanks Barry.
Oh heck, in the early 80s or '78 '79 I learned that the curse for musicians was when my band couldn't get payed as much as the newfangled DJ systems playing weddings and sports club dances. A friend of mine who ran one of these systems used to talk about where he "played" the night before. I ain't 'fraid a no AI.
Barry can you please help me I use a rme ucx 2 and pro tools as a daw and I am having issues on how to hear playback on pro tools or my mic total mix is super complicated to me I watched your videos on it and am still confused I just want to know the basics to be able to record in my daw and have playback on my monitor’s I don’t do anything else I put it on daw mode but even then it wouldn’t play and I had gain up on the interface etc I don’t know what to do please help me I also reset I/o on protools and made sure playback was set to my rme so I don’t know what the issue is Apollo never gave me this much of a headache even though rme def sounds better
My look at it: AI might take the "job" of music. Who knows how good it will get. People who are looking for music for a project or engineering will be able to have AI to do it
However I believe this will bring out a golden age in creativity. Since people are not incentivized by money, they will stop making compromises for the masses and make what they please. The industry is filled with people riding trends and souless tracks. Well the AI will take that over, leaving the humans only way to stand out is by making passionste art
By some counts, as many as 100,000 songs PER DAY are being uploaded to streaming services. Most of those people are probably copying what others have done to some degree, so no one should care if it is AI doing some of the work. As a hobbyist songwriter, I will continue to let Band in a Box generate accompaniments for my crappy songs. If other AI will help my recordings sound better, I will use that too. If I can learn skills to DIY, such as music theory/composition, keyboard playing, singing, sound design, and mix/mastering, I will take AI's job! Either way, they will still be MY crappy songs, that no one else cares about, but that I love.
AI should be an assist. Music is an art form created with the tools at hand. If I’m telling the computer to make it all for me, I’m not an artist. Now can I write the song, and use AI to assist with tedious things, tasks, etc, sure - I support that. But I want full control over the vision, performance, arrangement, and composition.
Can you recommend a mic for acoustic guitar? I have an SM7B, 2 Se8’s currently.
The Se8’s are ok, would you add a Large diaphragm? Or upgrade the Small?
Depends on the budget.
@@BarryJohns $800
Precisely!!!!
If other musicians were as reliable as I am, I wouldn't be so excited about having the session players included with logic 11. I feel like people are scared about something they don't even have their hands on yet.
What is the difference between using AI to generate ideas and sampling someone elses song?
Reasonable question.
AI and human work the same. Human listen to music humans created and are influenced by it. You go to music school you study music created by others and influnced by it and on and on. Computers are fed thousand and thousands of song created and by humans and the people feeding it to the computer add tags to say what the music examples are. Then humans and AI computer both reference that music they heard or were taught about and create something new. The different humans can only remember so much and they aren't that fast when creating. AI computers had huge data banks of musical references and can scan through them in seconds to create a song. Same process at the human but more references and can scan faster. Now sampling is a good reference point. Musician sample music, but then they flip it, edit it, speed it up or down, reverse it, repitch it, add effects and mold it into something new. Then they combining using their creativity with other samples, some new recorded music played by musicians, and they create something new from it. So they are taking prior art to make new art.
Barry,
You shouldn’t have mentioned the “Gling AI editing” because right after you did I started seeing all of the cuts. 😀
You know how it goes.
Seriously though, I agree with your take on AI. Any tool can be used for a positive or a negative. It all depends on who’s holding that tool.
I agree Barry 👍👍
Humans are created non perfect if it's to perfect it will fail.
I'm all about bashing on Apple. I have literal stress about the Direction and the business practices of Apple. However... I think this is a net benefit. We, who don't need it, don't have to use it. On the other hand: For the disabled and others with some barrier preventing them from creating music this will be life changing. Everyone should be able to make music. If the idea is that AI generated music is going to make the general public willing to accept sub-standard musical ideas, that idea is too late. That phenomenon started in the 80's. AI is not a threat as long as we're making music we like. And... Let the AI Generated music come. A world with more music is the world I wanna' live in.
As soon the artist picture in the music industry still exist along with music live performance ai will never take the job of musicians thats why live concerts are really important part of music art
There's no way a genius like Beethoven could be born in our age since we have too many tools doing stuff for us.
So far I love AI ❣️
It's not much different than using loops, just a little more customizable. Loops didn't replace musicians, and they've been around since the days when people would splice together analog tape to make a tape loop. Synth strings didn't replace real musicians playing cello and violin. Drum machines didn't replace drummers. If you really want to go back in time, player pianos didn't replace pianists. It's just another new tool to be used by anyone creative enough to make something cool with it.
Barry, I have watched Logic vs Pro Tools videos on CZcams & they say if you record live instruments use Pro Tools. They never say why Logic is not as good or what Logic would have to change or add, to make it on the same level as Pro Tools for recording live instruments. Would you do a video to explain this? I like the way you break things down. Thank You
It’s all down to a personal preference, you can record live instruments with any digital audio workstation. ProTools, I agree does have an easier workflow, but it depends on where you come from and what you’re used to. But as far as functionality is concerned. Logic will do just fine. Does it have some quirks of course it does, every DAW does.
“Suffer not the heretic”
The future’s warning of its past will write to whomever or whatever is left that AI was a blight on mankind, a curse to all it touched.
I just tried making tracks with SUNO. Im personally aware a lot of people will be squeezed out there roles . myself included in a year or two as a media composer.
It's $199, which is a little important.
Whats scary is if all these DAW's now start reporting back the music people make in them across the internet, and the music people make in private is actually feeding there AI machine Learning !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
READ THE SMALL PRINT !
Imagine if Logic scans every users mixes back to head office, so they can harvest every idea and melody, without you even knowing !
Great video - don’t we all have a style though? Once Ai has modelled how you do things then it could replicate it…. for ever…..
It's a good thing that the root of a song doesn't come from intelect. Once AI starts being emotionally inspired to write songs about what it's like to be AI, we're screwed!
Sadly a large majority of todays creatives goals arent necessarily to create great music, but rather to get famous and wealthy using music as a vehicle, and those are the ones flooding the market with the new AI based music, just like Autotune removed a large part of the requirement to actually be a good singer 25 yrs ago.
Honestly real music will always cut 🔪 through.
LOGIC PRO X still $199.99 since I started 15 yrs ago ...Approx. I'm Against MOST AI !!! but there is use for it in areas in Music, Film...etc... Yes With Video ...all those are helpful!, "J "Cuts , "L" Cuts, Zoom In-Out, Filters, KEN BURNS... RIGHT! , I want to do all this myself! not "AI" ( for Music is what I pointing towards )
Generative ==/== creative. AI in music is like working with another musician. It will throw out ideas. But it has no creative vision. You still have to have the vision to shift through these ideas. Decide what are good ideas… what are bad ideas…and how you want to use them.
No machine can do that.
AI can mix the music to sound like most music being produced today. It can’t mix it to sound like how I want it to sound.
I think you need to look into it, as it does exactly what you think k it doesn’t.
@@BarryJohns I haven’t looked into what Apple plans to drop on Monday, but I already use a number of AI plugins. Toontrack’s EZ Keys2 and EZ Bass. They are like working with a session player. They will generate lots of musical ideas….and try to tailor them to the rest of what you are working on.
But you still have to act as an arranger and producer. Sift through what it puts out. Decide what to keep, and how to use what you kept. It works (well) just like you described using it for video. It can come up with ideas where you’re stuck, or support areas of composition, recording, arranging that you’re not strong at.
But you have to have the idea of what you want and where you are going. It won’t do that for you, and if you let it, the results you get aren’t going to be very good.
IMO, where AI is a threat is for session work, and composing music that is “functional”: jingles, video game sound tracks, etc. I believe a lot of that work will no longer exists for humans in about 10 years. But the stuff that requires serious vision and creativity? Not ready for prime time.
I believe the role it will fill in these settings is that it will act like a virtual assistant. Another composer or another musician to help generate ideas that the human then takes and shapes into a high quality end result.
Consider it this way. Chat Gpt could write a convincing news article. But if you ask it to write song lyrics, it will get you a reasonable starting point. Ask it to write a movie script or a novel on its own without humans….
A lot of what is being marketed as AI is merely DSP repackaged as “AI powered” to capitalize on the current AI craze. All AI is, is just predictive algorithms to determine “what comes next” in a pseudo random way. so for example I would not consider simulated vocalists as being AI. But I would consider these entire songs that are showing up on CZcams, mostly old 50s and 60s stuff with filthy lyrics as closer to what I would define AI as. AI, also can only work with existing material. It can only rearrange what exists already and what is already been created by people. Also due to the nature of the algorithms, which are based on machine learning, it really kept get any “better” if you will, will never be creative in the traditional sense of the word.
is artifisial better than the orignal/ARTIFISIAL NOT ORIGNAL ARTIFISIAL MEANS FAKE.
Its only a curse if you think its a curse on your music...Just make music the way you know how and you'll be OK.
Relax Barry, you still got woodworking. AI ain’t taking that over.
I appreciate the sentiment, but I would be very cautious about AI, I’ve done a great deal of research into it, I think most people have no idea what is coming in the next few years.
The n many ways it’s going to be fantastic, but as time goes on, maybe not so much.
@@BarryJohns I think you’re overthinking it. I have spent a lot of time with AI and I can point out very very quickly when AI has been used to substitute creativity. It makes things sound/look correct but lifeless. For my own workflow, I use AI exclusively for time saving and workflow improvement tasks. What Apple is doing with Logic and the session players is amazing….for when you’re on an airplane and want to capture a quick idea. It would be foolish to think that AI will be able to take it to the finish line.
WHAT IS THIS ATMOS NONSENSE,
It will,evolve into the worst thing since autotune
Logic and M3 aren't buddies ... so wait buying logic
I look forward to everything AI, like everything else in life, finding the balance is the key. Machines have always played a creative role in music creation, including multitrack tape decks, and assorted outboard gear. AI is an extension of it all. We control the machines (computers) and how much we allow it to contribute to our creativity, and needs.
I think you really need to look into AI more than you may have. It is a lot more than you seem to think. It’s going to eliminate half of the current jobs in the world in the next 5 to 10 years. It’s surprising to me how few people actually fully understand the degree in which it’s going to impact us. You’ve got the top leaders of the most successful companies sounding the warning alarm almost nonstop at this point. People are just not listening.
You are a little naive about the extent to which AI is going to alter everything.
The same outrage was vomited all over the industry in the 80s about how synths will replace musicians and how you suck if you use one. Get off the high horse. What matters is the end product and if people like it. Maybe they like it because its generic drool made by AI or maybe they like it because it was made using a quill pen and handcrafted wooden instruments played by humans. Good is good. Make music that people want to listen to. Stop blaming everything around you for why nobody listens to your work. Now, "stealing" or STEALING of works to train these AI models are another thing. You have my support to join in on fighting against that.
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As a Christian musician God does not want AI to praise Him. He wants praise from People. So there will always be a reason for ME to make music. And frankly, if you do not worship God you will be hard pressed to find motivation to make music.
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God is everywhere and everything including AI😊
@@jdl2180 That is pantheism which is not Biblical. God is everywhere but not in everything and everyone.
Haha whatever BOZO
@@Drfresh1402 quit looking at books and find out for yourself, nothing is separated from God. Separation is an illusion.
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