We're Not Supposed to Have This: Core i5-12400 ES Benchmarks & Preview (Engineering Sample)
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- We got an Intel Engineering Sample Core i5-12400 ahead of launch and discovered several issues with the ES QXDY model. These are abundant on eBay and AliExpress, but be cautious.
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This review of the Intel Core i5-12400 Engineering Sample (QXDY) looks at the performance versus the 12600K, AMD R5 5600X, AMD R5 3600, and more. Of course, the biggest thing we're doing is showing the (potential) severe limitations of some Engineering Sample models, and demonstrating why you should exercise caution when purchasing very early Engineering Sample revisions online. They often work just fine, but in this case, we discovered issues with the PCIe capabilities for the GPU, the frequency boosting, and more.
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07:50 - Frequency Behavior
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I've seen the i5-12400 listed a few times and then taken down on Newegg. I was wondering why no tech reviewers have gotten their hands on them yet as I've seen it listed on Newegg once around two weeks ago and again a few days ago. The price was $299 CAD (on Newegg Canada).
Stever Nexus. I have a 12400 retail.
“A hexa-core CPU? Yeah, we’ve got one.”
Absolutely timeless 😂😂
Came with tweezers.
Hahaha 😂😂😂😂
@Lenka Gay how the Bot farm going these days?
"Yeah, we've got one! Very exclusive! You can only buy it on every major retailer in the world!"
0:01 "That's right, we got one"
Such callback. 😂
it's been so long!
@@krystina662 Since last I've seen my son...
Even after Stefan's redemption video, he's never going to live it down, will he
It's been a while since I was messing around with Intel ES chips, but as a rule of thumb only the latest revisions will match retail specs. To me, it seems like this chip was made in week 9, 2021, which is rather old compared to some i5-12600 ES's with QY__ sspec. Those were made about mid-year. So, I would assume that any QX__ sspec for LGA1700 would be risky if you want the full set of features.
QH__ v4 chips for LGA2011-3 come to mind... cheap, but for a reason :)
It's always cool seeing someone very knowledgeable about some small niche subject :)
This guy engineering sample's
Would be really interesting to see a head-to-head comparison between this and the 12400 retail, when you get it.
It will probably be included in the graphs when they do it.
I suppose the whole point of this video is telling us not to get an ES sample cpu.
Compare the 5600x to this an voila!
And the 12400 is 30% more power efficiency than the 5600x.
@@MaxMustermann-yj1wz Well, the 12400 ES is, no one knows about the 12400... like he said over and over, it will likely all change with the retail chip.
@@jonirenicus9407 i allready have one, its a 5600x with - 30% wattage 😘
"That's right, we got one." - I guess at this point we're never, ever going to forget about that Verge video. It has been ushered forth into memedom.
Which verge video? Since you left this comment it is now your responsibility to inform my dumbass.
@@CurtMudgeon Here's a reupload: czcams.com/video/2lmfF0k2UcU/video.html
Here's what I recommend you watch: czcams.com/video/M-2Scfj4FZk/video.html (it's a combination of many tech yters reacting to it)
@David H. But most importantly, as someone who believes in second chances, here’s the redemption m.czcams.com/video/QKzmYsySGFQ/video.html
"That's right we got one!" gave me terrible flashbacks to the verge with the 8700K...
I think that was the point lol
@@neo4102 with the amount of thermal paste left on the cpu for the closeups it wouldn’t surprise me
I wish that I could unsee that Verge video, so this quote wouldn't make me so uncomfortable 🤢
Terrible? That was hilarious
Linus restored his career.
I run an old [Edit: Sandy Bridge] Core i7 Engineering Sample CPU in my laptop. I was super worried when I bought it on eBay it'd be fake or something (was very good deal). But it's done me well for many years. I do need a new laptop tho this thing is getting kinda slow now.
A lot of engineering samples work great!
@@GamersNexus I have a dog. I like him.
I ran a sandy bridge ES i7 in my NAS for years, only recently retired that thing... Wasn't even QS chip but proper ES, had clocks that matched no retail chip
I think times are changing and Intel might end up securely locking the engineering samples.
@@taggxoc Mine is a Sandy Bridge ES also. Ancient by today's standards but it's served me well enough (though as I say, kinda need an upgrade soon lol)
❤ GN !
I used an Intel i7 970 engineering sample in my system since 2010 all the way until about a month ago, worked flawlessly
Great video and interesting outlook on upcoming products. It would have been nice to include some benchmark runs with "infinite" turbo duration to "simulate" the retail specs in longer running benchmarks.
You also used to find unreleased SKUs like i7-999 and other just totally whakadoodle stuff that the engineers used to take home because Intel were never going to sell it.
Never heard of the i7 999. But I am running an i7 990X in an x58 motherboard. Wonder how similar the 2 would be.
@@mitlanderson I think he opened mouth and out fell words.. not necessarily facts.
I WOULD LOVE i7-999!
If anyone has any info where i can find the unreleased i7-995X or this i7-999, please contact me!
Using i7-990X on R3E.
4.5Ghz, 1600Mhz DDR3 OC'ed to 2133Mhz(some magic micron chips LOL).
@@christophermullins7163 There was an unreleased SKU named i7-995X, Some chips were produced but were called off as it was too close to the launch of SandyBridge.
Some people somehow actually got a hold of those and posted evidence.
I think it was a highly binned 990X dubbed as 995X.
It was a while ago when it wandered through my workplace but I wouldn't be surprised if it was actually a 995 it ran at about 4.9. Miss-remembering it doesn't surprise me lga1366 stuff doesn't really interest me and galaxy express 999 was one of my favorite anime as a kid.
I work for a tech recycler that is located in the same metro area as one of Intel's main fabs so I see weird shit come in all the time. I've seen socket h(x) procs of all kinds with all sorts of wacky core counts and clock speeds.
I love it when GN does this kinda thing! Great work! Awesome content!
i5-12400F < my next CPU purchase
Very interesting information. Always appreciated efforts.
The shop looks much better. Thanks for the video. You Rock. :)
Hey Steve, some motherboard manufacturers are releasing BIOS updates with Zen 3 (Ryzen 5000) support for A320, B350, X370 motherboards... it would be nice to see a video on this, especially after AMD was 'blocking' manufacturers from releasing them due to artificial limitations.
When I bought asus x370 mobo I thought that it will surely work with any am4 cpu but...amd made this scumbag move. AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Long ago I bought heavily advertised am3 board and not even one of FX cpus ended up in supported list. Both cases are as you said - artificial limitations.
It's so freaking easy to add or remove microcode for xeon 2011 / 2011 v3 processors but can't do same for amd.
@@gloomytony9560 Ever heard of bios update?
@@GHZZZ1 there was no official or unofficial bios update for supporting fx on my am3 board.
just like there is no official or unofficial update for supporting 5600x or 5600g on my am4 board.
@@GHZZZ1 ever heard of investigating the topic before you comment?
@@stephenallen4635 That's cute. Yes. I've had 5 AM4 motherboards. All had support for the newer rocks. If you always buy the cheapest boards you will feel it in your wallet sooner or later. The X370 I had doesnt support the 5xxx series but nobody really doesnt expect them to do so. It doesnt just work that way. And the answer to your question. No.
"that's right, we've got one" - very nice Verge-ocalypse reference, Steve
I absolutely love the verge reference in the beginning, made me laugh.
Awesome video guys, love all your videos!😎
>comment talking about something in the video that misses the entire point and ignores half the video
>Rant that accuses you of being a fanboi of some or other brand while completely missing what it was that you actually missed
Keep up the good work guys and lets hope the retail versions are alot better so it'll drive AMD to make a budget CPU again to keep the competition alive.
AMD still has budget CPUs that are really good. Still ranging from the R3 3100 to the still viable Ryzen 5 3600. Ranging from $100-$250
@@kineticbongos 3300X was an anomaly. Sadly it doesn't exist anymore.
@@Noah-lj2sg 5600X is your chip .its the direct replacement for the 3600. if you want an igpu with it , go 5600G.
@@saricubra2867 I saw zero in my country . They might've made a few thousand and that was it. I'm saying 5- 8 thousand at most. that's not an easy chip to get period.
@@tobiwonkanogy2975 Not a fan of the 5600X because 10th Gen i7-10700K is better almost in every way and is cheaper.
5600X is the most overpriced 6 core ever made and performs overall worse than an i7 that was launched before by a few months.
I love the studio setup!
Straight in there with a Verge burn, I love it.
Look at what competition does to the market, thanks to them I could score a 5600x for less than 200US
How? Lowest I saw was $239
must be microcenter
Where?
newegg 179.99. for the F version.
Really? Haven't seen them for lower than $300 yet, but we don't have any physical retail options.
Very informative content sir .million thumbs up.
Subtle "The Verge" reference there Steve - good one.
Anyone who wants to know how the retail 12400 will presumably perform: Igor's Lab simulated a 12400 by switching off E-cores and reducing P-cores and did some benchmark runs.
But in short: about the same performance as a 5600X with lower power consumption.
When you say "that's right we got one" but it actually means something.
I run an i9-9900T ES in my HTPC. It has been running flawlessly for years.
How on Earth did you find a unicorn like that? I've never even seen one for sale!
@@TheKazragore I took a chance on a listing from one of the big Chinese resellers and got lucky.
GN never disappoints :) keep up the good work guys! I am curious how AMD will react now.
Can't wait to see how the CPU market evolves! Such great stuff here lately.
@@GamersNexus Indeed, competition is always nice to see, especially for the consumers.
R5 5600 was shown in a video a few weeks ago, but with supply they don't really have to do anything
they won't react in any way because they are selling through all their stuff being overpriced as it is.
if they could/cared they'd be already reacting to 11 and 12th gen with their pricing now. they clearly don't.
also without GPUs available for sane prices it doesn't really matter how all these CPUs are priced, without GPUs you don't need any CPU anyway.
Love you all, and the work you do. Sorry I had to skip that Ad. But a 20 minute Microsoft Edge Training Coarse Video, does not an advertisement make.
Last time I sat through one of those videos was in the 1980's, learning to drill Bowling ball, while working for Kmart, in the Sporting Goods and Automotive Depts.
Fun Fact- Tim Allen did that video, and the one on selling Rifles and Shotguns, for Kmart.
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Skipping sponsor segments doesnt hurt the channel (at least according to linus)
I doubt GamersNexus has precise control on what exact ad you get. I've never seen the ad you mentioned. The only ad I saw in this video weas Christmas-related food/beverage ads.
@@FerdinandJosephFernandez Yeah, I know they don't, every Ad on YT is targeted to each viewer. But I don't like skipping the Ads that pop up for GN vids. Kinda my way of giving back to them for their hard work, so normally I will not skip Ads, but some, I'll not abide, like the MS Edge one, or some 3 1/2 min music video that some artist paid YT to be an 'Ad', just a music vid, not even a download now @ wherever you download, and then it counts as a view for them on their channel of shite music, that nobody wanted to click on.
@@maxgern9186 Not the sponsor segment, but the Ads that pop up before, during, and after vids.
haha at that little Verge build callback :P "that's right, we got one"
Did you try reducing the PCIe bandwidth off of the i5-12400 to 4.0 or 3.0 rates? This could be an oddity of Intel's market segmentation where PCIe 5.0 is only available on certain CPU/chipset combinations.
I would imagine the final retail model will perform similarly or slightly faster than the 11600k
I've seen the i5-12400 listed a few times and then taken down on Newegg. I was wondering why no tech reviewers have gotten their hands on them yet as I've seen it listed on Newegg once around two weeks ago and again a few days ago. The price was $299 CAD (on Newegg Canada).
because scalper
@@bsh7390 scalpers, "market" sales is a possibility, but it's also possible it was just a mistake. Newegg likely will cancel any orders made on an accidentally listed item, especially if they removed it after being asked by intel.
@@s1mph0ny I think the latter is likely what happened. I don’t think scalpers would have got their hands on them as they would be on the scalped market and the new Intel processors haven’t been scalped anyway.
Also there is no telling if Intel will completely nerf ES CPUs even more with a future BIOS update. Seeing how these are still the property of Intel they can do what ever they want. I do believe even Linus had issues with ES/QS CPUs he recently got.
I think this was a later ES chip than the one Linus got. From what I have heard that Intel ES chips require to have a encrypted bios for them to work.
That Verge-esqe intro...priceless!
Thanks Steve! very cool
Hello Steve. I have tested i9-12900 QXQ3 ES with MSI Z690-A Pro on my channel, and I can confirm that the PCI-E 5.0 lanes are not working, but the PCI-E 4.0 lanes form the CPU are fully functional. Thus, theoretically, the best GPU connection would be to use these lanes. The bad thing is that all motherboards route these lanes to the primary M.2 slot instead of an additional PCI-E X16 slot.
There are adapters from a M.2 connector to a PCIe x16-Slot, e.g. from Delock. But as M.2 only is PCIe x4, you gain nothing compared to a PCIe-x4-Slot connected to the Southbridge. Even if you would use such an adapter, you still have to put your NVMe drive somewhere.
@@johnscaramis2515 with a high quality adapter you should be able to gain some ns of latency, which is crucial for gaming. SSDs can be connected to other M.2 slots, even the budget Z690 boards have at least two of them. I thought to use my QXQ3 to build an ITX machine with vertical GPU mount and M.2 to PCI-E adapter, but the QXQ3 seller accepted a return and the CPU is going back to China now.
God bless you
I love that "That's right, we got one!" reference right from the start 😂😂
Never stop the Verge references. Let the legend live on forever.
"That is right we got one!" starting strong I see...
Reminds me of the good old days on duel core when my dad would bring home ES processor’s and we kids couldn’t find mother boards to get them to work hahahah
I like that on this one you went back a bit further but wish you would go back a bit further more often, I was talking with a few "power users" and many of us have i9-9900ks still and a few still were still using i7-7700k - I know your comparing the most recent Gen's but it would not hurt to put a couple of the top ones in from the past 5 years give or take so those who built high end rigs could then get more value from the benchmarks / video's, especially with the shortages now a days - almost all of us said we try to get about 3 to 5 years out of a new build... so as cool as the data is it's not really that useful to people like us without further research which kinda defeats the point of watching the videos that don't take that into account. Still interesting but just an idea or maybe separate video's on occasion picking a few of those type of chips and seeing how relevant they are today, at the very least it's an idea for a video or series looking at how higher end stuff from the past x years stands up to current tech.
What about manually setting the PEG slot to run on PCIe 3.0 instead of PCI-E 5.0 ? Have you try that ? Intel might just lock PCI-E 5.0 support on ES CPU, not the entire PEG lanes. This is a different silicon altogether than the K SKU CPU that is out now.
The Splurge reference was amazing as usual 😅
I don't know what that is, so I don't think it was a reference.
@@GamersNexus apologies, it's a play on Verge...... 😉
I understood about 80% of this, but I love it.
Buyer beware, Intel occasionally locks these out with BIOS updates.
@Lenka Gay
Who came up with that name lmao
@@PashaGamingYT funny bots probably
@@PashaGamingYT don't interact with the bots, report them instead.
Interesting how limited these samples are TBH. If all samples going to vendors were this version it would severely limit the vendor's ability to tune hardware if it can't even use the PCIE lanes that are preferred. I assume the samples are sent to certain vendors with what they need in mind, meaning MOBO vendors would probably be the least limited. Does this one seem to have full pcie lanes to nvme SSD's, or does it seem to fully perform with memory?
Love the reference!
Did you check whether you can enable AVX-512 on this CPU? That might make it very interesting for certain workloads, because you don’t lose the E-cores on this one (because it doesn’t have any in the first place)
Did Intel disable AVX-512 in silicon this time?
"That's right, we've got one" 🤣😂 That line will never be forgotten 🤣🤣🤣
2 seconds in and I already lost it
What i'mn really hoping for is a sub 30w i3-12100, but instead of a cut down 8+8, it is basically just re-branded i7-ultramobile on an LGA 1700 where the top model has 2P core 8 E core and 96 EUs, but the same cut down IO as ultramobille to keep the price under $150
That'd suck for gaming.. if it has 96 eus.. you'd really really want 4c8th w/ no Ecores.
@@christophermullins7163 ultra budget people live in their own world
I think that 2 Performance cores would suck in modern times. i3 are always 4 cores since 8th gen at least in desktop
@@christophermullins7163 You're not wrong, but to stay under 30w those 4 cores would be limited to 3.5Ghz. Also of note, intel isnt making a die like the one you describe. Intel is making 3 dies.
10 core complex split between 8 P cores and 8 E cores with 32EUs for desktop
8 core complexes split between 6 P cores and 8 E cores with 96 EUs for laptops
4 core complex splut between 2 P cores and 8 E cores with 96 EU for ultraportable, tablets, and ultrasmall form factor.
That 4 core complex die will be the smallest, and thus cheapest die intel makes. It doesnt make sense for most gaming, unless you need higher clock speeds at a lower power usage.
But this die would be great for HTPC and homelab.
Personally, for homelab, i'd love a 12930E, with 0P cores, and all 40E cores. Would be competitive with the threadripper 24 core, but only use 160w instead of 200+w
@@bigdoggo5827 Thats what the i3-12300 would be for, a cut down 12900, with only 4 P cores, and 32 -Ecores- EUs
i3 has always just been a cut down i9, which means it is more expensive and power hungry than it needs to be and only has the GPU from the desktop. if intel gives us the ultramobile die on the desktop we could get multicore performance better than 4 P cores, in a package that can be cooled passively, we'd have the perfect homelab processor. And with 96EUs would be great for an HTPC that also does light gaming, and its not like those 96 EUs need 8 P threads
Games that can reach 120+FPS on on these low powered XE graphics, were probably made before CPUs with hyerthreading existed, and 2 cores was the norm
you guys should try to add a vertical monitor on Steve's right side and display some of the topics and info on it. Just to update the new set.
"That's right, we've got one" - Famous last words of PC builders
0:00
I understood that reference.
Finally someone who speaks english.
Sadly with only one "modern" GPU to trade between my computers (a 1080ti) I eventually just bought a 5600G, and to be quite honest, it was a huge upgrade from my launch 1800x.... And I picked it up for I believe just under $300. I only wish there were a performance to price improvement that good, for the GPU market right now. lol. Running this thing just with it's onboard it actually does alright, even at 2k resolution. Solid light gaming machine.
I was going to buy an AMD Ryzen 5 3600/5600 for my new build but obviously have been deferring that since late 2020 due to the ongoing GPU mess. If the final 12400 trades blows with the 5600X, and is cheaper (including the cost of a new motherboard with similar features) then I'd be foolish not to at least consider it.
Wow thanks GN, thanks Steve! I5 12400 looks promising, this ES isnt anything special, so we should wait for a proper review. The point is , what ryzen 5000 refresh will come out, with the new 3d cache, and if there will be any 180$ ryzen alternative to the 12400...
Also motherboard (b660) cost will be a huge factor to the whole value proposal intel vs amd in this price range
Yes we've got one...wasn't that what the kid in The Verge PC build said about his i9 9900k?
Can't wait for these to come out so AMD releases the Zen 3D refresh and pushes the 5600X to the $200 bracket.
Won't be enough. Need to make the 5600x at least $150 to be competitive.
@@mycelia_ow that's a little too low in my opinion. I'd say a good price would be 179-189
@@mitlanderson A good price would be 20 bucks.
They're not gonna make the price lower because they know a lot of people just buy the product which is "top selling" and currently 5600x is top selling for about a year. So people will continue buying it even if 12400f brought same performance at half price, which it won't.
I used to get engineering samples of CPUs and GPUs working at a recycling center. I think there was a CZcamsr nearby.
GN: asks us to be sneaky
also GN: posts the video to thousands of people
Oooh snap was just walking about this with a friend
Remember to screw with confidence! (But where's your wireless anti-static strap?)
My uncle works for Intel. Went to his house for Thanksgiving and hung out with some of his coworkers. I kept picturing Steve while I was talking to them.
Any idea when you will have more of the coaster/cup holders on your store?
In Vietnam we are already selling the 12400F retail version, if you guys want to get your hand on one I can connect to someone if they can ship internationally
I bet that PCI-E 4.0 just wasn't working for that particular chip. Have you tried to force pci-e 3.0 for the first slot in bios ?
I think it's just Pcie 5.0 that's not working. Since thats is what chinese sellers say do not work.
I COULDNT RESIST NO MORE AHHHH
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keep up the good work GN.
happy new year ya'll !
Since all the E-cores were disabled on the die, was AVX-512 enabled by default? Can it be manually enabled as an option? Any change in performance?
There aren't any E cores, it uses a different die to the higher end models.
I also noticed there wasn't AVX-512 mentioned in the instructions set list in CPU-Z, Curious about that.
@@thenotsookayguy 12400 uses both dies and it's a lottery on whether u get 8+8 or 6+0,
they did the same with 10400
I wonder if Intel never really asks for returns of these or how companies that "lost" hundreds of these get out of trouble?
i think they really let them go in the wild on purpose for an entire decade now. seeing how the past has it so it gives them a boost of sales when the actual cpu is launched, like what happened before to their haswell/broadwell hedt platform for workstation & servers.
They're useless once released, Intel usually tells companies to destroy them. Of course they may get "accidentally" dropped into a pocket at any point in time
Intel lets them slide to market on purpose, for publicity. If they were truly 'confidential' and had the ability to affect sales and image, outlets like GN would NEVER be able to make videos about them without serious repercussions. Expensive legal repercussions, I mean.
i sent Intel a email about this Intel Xeon E5-2683 v3 ES LGA2011-3 I had bought on Ebay asking if they wanted me to send it back they politely said "no thanks"
@1 Trillon Dollar Coin it still can be problematic, even legally (fencing of stolen goods) but also some companies get mad at you and stop providing samples if you use side sources like that
but others are like "we handed it to you and you managed to test and publish results before we signed the NDA so it's on us"
I do hope the retail vesion will perform better. If it's behind the R5 3600, then AMD still won't have much incentive to release a new budget friendly CPU
My 2x intel platinum 8180es(QL1F) I got for Total of 200usd still run like charm even this day 😉
In the last 4 years I've been looking for cpus to play with, I've not seen any es samples being any cheaper than retail samples..
some of the charts reference an AMD 5800 CPU. I wasn’t aware this variant existed (only 5800x). Is that a typo or an oem only variant or something?
Edit: thanks for the review! Like others I’m really curious how all this will look once the new bios is released and AMD releases the 3D Vcash CPUs.
not enough production to fill retail and oem orders with both sku`s.
"That's right we got one!"
Ok but what about the wireless static electricity wristband?🤨😏😎
I wish the benchmarks included a 12600k with the E-cores disabled and with a slightly lower clock speed just as a reference to what we could reasonably expect the CPU to perform like. Would put the engineering sample limitation into more perspective.
They've been leaked. It does better than the 5600x
@@artiew8718 nobody should be surprised or expected anything else considering the 12600k is almost a 5800x.
@@mycelia_ow a 12600k is actually better than a 5800x
Igor's Lab simulated a 12400 and did some benchmark runs.
I'll just stick to my built PC I last modified in 2018 and run on lower graphics settings. This current market for GPU and CPU components is insane for the gains you receive. Looking back on my invoices the parts I put in barely dropped in price in the last 3 years which completely blows my mind, usually old tech prices drop like a rock beyond a year or 2.
I5 8600 (Sept. 2018) $229.99
MSI GTX 970 (Dec. 2015) $299.99
ES are beta version of chips, it might contain wrong stock voltages or bad memory timings because those are TBD, like they are with launch day Ryzen or Radeon, but it makes no sense to artificially limit performances. That will invalidate engineering to be done with ES.
I see the kitty cat on the top of your shelf back there!
Nice 3090 shots. Why does unobtanium look so good?
I run an i9-10980k ES (QTJ1) on my desktop with an Asus TUF B365m board and an GTX 1660. it is a really good CPU. I got it undervolted and limited to 65w on a Hyper 212 BLK Edition. Is pretty much the same as an i5 10600k with that TDP limitation. My PC is 40-50w on idle or web browsing, 90-105w on CPU intensive workloads. I can get it to 4.5ghz all cores at 95w but it gets too hot at 89-92c full load.
The forbidden chip!
The Motherboards, Restrictions, chapter should probably start at 6:03 since it currently starts mid-sentence
I got as far as 10 minutes. Then I realized I am not that interested in ES either way. Thanks for the work, left you a like.
It just bears repeating the prelaunch ready samples are not the same as those that are in the first wave of that at retail, people can be a bit dense on the deal front.
Love that the legacy of the train wreck continues on.
"Yeah we got one"
Did you have info about some Z690 boards that shorts and geting fire?
your mixing up engineering and qualifying samples here. QS chips are almost always the final stepping that will ship to retail unless a major issues is found. ES are earlier in the production and are not at all final. QS chips will work in most but not all boards while ES will work in just a few.
reviewers typically get QS not ES. MB makers get ES first and then will get QS close to launch to make sure that everything works
we want to see more of kitty the mascot this year.
Can you try running a known pre-benchmarked CPU (like the 11400) in your same setup with same ES-limited settings and compare the results? It would be interesting to see if the relative performance scaling for the limited CPUs vs. the retail versions in their CPU scaling. I suspect the percent increase of running the CPUs in ES crippled conditions will be close to the actual percent scaling of the retail versions.
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hi I really appreciate your effort
Teaching people what they don't know
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Great buget CPU and all, but here in Eastern Block it won't be available for some period of time, prices will fluctuate too. And we didn't speak of mobos, the same can be said about them too.
Thats why i got 11400, came out cheaper and faster then any ryzen cpu/mobo combo available in my country (r5 3600 is ~270$, 5600X is ~380$ on average)
You know a channel is trustworthy when they have the budget for a desk holy crap
Do you mean a dresser?
Lol hope you get it :)
Should we expect something new from AMD in the low end on the AM4 platform. Or would it be wiser to wait for AM5/whatever intel has to offer and DDR5 to be affordable to build a budget gaming pc right now?
I was under the impression that AMD won't release any more CPUs for the current platform
For budget gaming wouldn't an Intel core i3 12100 be good when it comes out?
From what AMD has shown in their CPU keynote, just wait for AM5. They are really focusing on getting the fab of AM5 right so if they release a "new" AM4 mid to low tier CPU it'll be at EOL and probably be half cooked
@@BiigiieCheeese Wait? Has Zen 3D been cancelled? That was supposed to be a somewhat big update coming at CES?
IMO there is nothing wrong with buying older parts (new or used if there is stock) if the performance and price is right. Most things are still GPU bound unless you are going over 144fps.
120fps, a decent CPU, and a nice GPU and most things fly. But then again, I'm pretty happy gaming at 1080p (I'd love 1440p for content, but still cannot justify it just for gaming).
The power testing and especially with the 12900K recently made me think:
Would it be worth it testing all CPUs with different power limits? For example testing them at 65W, 125W and no power limit. I know that would be a lot of extra work, but the power consumption of modern (high-end) CPUs is ridiculous and in most cases it doesn't make sense to run them with these extremely high/no power limits.
Also, you are already testing which cooling solutions are adequate for what kind of 'TDP', so testing CPUs at those 'TPDs' would make the results directly comparable and tell us what kind of performance we can get with our coolers, or if we need to upgrade them as well.
Makes sense for them to make a normalized power consumption test, as you describe.
noise and power are a specifc issue in my house because it gets the sun all day and can get very hot unless its winter and get very cold. The main computer is in then lounge so I want it relatively quite and I also don't want it to hot. The computer when playing games in the summer will raise the room temp by 5 degs C and anything up to about 26c I can cope with but if its 30+ computer is off and I read a book or something. So intel was not even considered and have a 5600G now because I got in about 20% below MSRP.
@@mixit2413 So you are gaming on an APU?
If you are using just the CPU, then that's exactly what I'm talking about. The 12900K for example is actually an extremely efficient CPU if you set a lower power limit, but at "stock" settings it draws 240W in allcore workloads because it can.
You can also see that in gaming, where according to IgorsLab, the 12900K only draws 85W even with a 241W power limit.
Why wouldn't it make sense to run at max power? I'm on Intel's side here tbh, Run the processor as hard as is possible, your time is worth a lot more than 100W extra power draw (even then you only see that load in specific productivity scenarios). If your cooling can't handle it, no worries, let the CPU Temperature protection throttle you down to your maximum steady-state long term speed.
People have some kind of hard-on for caring about power consumption in desktop usecases, and I think that's misguided. Your time is valuable, and as such you deserve every single iota of speed you can practicably get, damn the power use. If you're running it fully loaded 24/7, sure, power use matters, but that's why server CPUs are specced with lower clocks and power settings compared to consumer desktop processors.
I do agree that some normalised power consumption test would be useful, however. Not sure the best way to go about it, since processors can have such varied sweet spots. Perhaps a normalised power test at 100w, say, and a performance-normalised test. You'd also probably set these kinds of tests up once per architecture, no reason to retest it on every processor in a lineup.
@@jordanb722 there are a lot of reason why people would want to reduce the power consumption, especially when the difference in performance is so small. IgorsLab tested the 12900k with half the power limit and still got 85% of the allcore performance on it.
Also testing one CPU per generation wouldn't tell you the whole picture. The different P+E core configurations of Alder Lake change their power scaling behaviour, and similarly for AMD it makes a big difference if the CPU has just 1 die, or 2 dies + an IO die for example.
Can you test if the UHD 730 have full HDMI 2.1 bandwidth? Since 2.1 does not require full bandwidth to get certified.
We all want to know
If only that SP of 144 was correct. I'd start modding bios files right away just in case. Worse case you've got a cpu with decent performance that you could run at like 0.850 v
Are there plans to release something like this but with the 12700 (basically 8 P cores but no E cores)? I'd be interested in that.
12700 will be 12 cores (8+4)
@@monkeslayer-km5ho You're misunderstanding me. The 12400 is a version of the 12600 without its E cores. I want a version of the 12700 without its E cores. So basically an 8 core version of the 12400.