Libs Of TikTok's TOTAL BATCRAP Debate With Taylor Lorenz
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I watched the entire interview a few days ago and my biggest takeaway is that the bar has never been lower for very stupid people to make wads of easy money by peddling the culture wars.
She's not peddling "culture wars", she's peddling bigotry & fascism.
Exactly. This far right grifting is easy money because of how chronically online the far right is. They live for this stuff and are willing to spend hours upon hours a day watching it. That all equals big money for people like Chaya.
they were always stupid, but they at least were good orators. chaiya is the definition of a keyboard warrior
they get paid
If the federalist society can have a workers program where they train lobbyists how to think and talk, how farfetched is it to think there may be one for right wing grifters? Like i can't be the only one that notices that they all have the same exact lines and talking?@@puffball4484
"What harm do trans people existing cause?"
"I like the truth."
"So there's no harm?"
"I didn't say that."
"Then what's the harm?"
"I like the truth."
That one always makes me want to ask: then why allow religion?
I literally LOLed at the "...and they're using that to trans kids." part. I mean I was howling! What a dunce.
It's like when someone says "WORD" thinking it means something and is basically just a mouth sound.
There is harm... to her own brain. Honestly, makes sense. No sane person does what she does, and no one ever will.
It's like people that think we lived with the dinos. It's too much to deal with reality because everything starts falling apart.
No doubt there's some weird, personal, psychological angle in there too. Explains why they think it could be a "trend."
@@Wheels36H3WM well first of all faith is a fact, so jot that down~
Conservatives are insisting that Raichick destroyed Lorenz. They truly choose to ignore reality.
Well as a moderate lefty if you watched the interview Taylor didn't do to well herself. She needs to learn how to do follow up questions instead of awkwardly moving on to next...also when Raichick asked her questions back Taylor fumbled on a few and seemed not as polished as I herd.
@@mroctober3583the two people involved had completely different goals. Chaya wanted to insult and drag Taylor into the mud , and Taylor didn't want to join her in that mud.
@@irishaarbear Hmm sounds a bit like when creampuff says conservative ignore reality and mrocto says conservative aren't wrong in a verbose manner. Different goals.
@@mroctober3583 Taylor had less than an hour to get through her questions. To get bogged down in endless follow up questions would be pointless. There was a planned out structure to Taylor's questions, which served to expose Chaya as the fraud and hypocrite that she is. Taylor executed that perfectly. Raichik was unable to articulate a single idea in defense of any of her positions. Also, when getting asked a question you do not respond back with another question (that has no relevance to the initial question). Taylor did a good job getting it all back on track though, despite Chaya's complete lack of decorum.
A lot of them are criticizing Chaya for her unconvincing performance as well. She's better at tweeting than debate.
Vigeland's comparison of Raichik's charisma to a saltine was the kind of thing I'll chuckle over every time I think about it. It's pretty accurate.
Raichik showed up in a shirt with a picture of Lorenz crying on it. She thought she was going to own Lorenz, or at the very least, throw Lorenz off her game. Suffice it to say, she *failed.*
I think she's worried about "the children" because she is one. It would be funny maybe among friends like a drunken gag but it's juvenile AF here
Even more than that, Raichik is failing every moment of every day 😒
Well, she's demonstrating that she's gleeful about the harm and terror she causes other people. She's scum.
The average person sees her wearing that shirt they would think it's a photo of herself crying 😂 these girls have similar features
I think Chaya thought that the interview would be them shouting at each other or making mean comments (like a IRL twitter fight) but Taylor is actually good at her job.
Chaya Raichik: when a bored suburban wine mom discovers 4chan.
Yes! She's just a bigot who wants to harm queer people, she's completely hopeless! I genuinely hate her, she makes me feel hopeless.
Lol fr
Even her same sounds foreign, I can’t get over how many layers of irony there are
4chan would make fun of her for being jewish and not extreme enough
@@madhack69yup AND she's in the "listen up liberal, my partner dumped me" club with Kanye and Elon
They’re always going after trans-women only?? Misogyny is the cherry on top of the hate sundae.
becuase they don't want ot adress the topic of ''born female individual'' (AFAB, or assigned female at birth) going into mens' spaces, but they'll bitch about AMAB (assigned male at birth) as if it's rapetopia, not mentionnig that when you start HRT and stay on it for years, your muscle mass and body density change to match that of your desired end point's rough average, on the low end.
it's both sexism of both types and reverse sexism of both types at the same time
quad-sexism
Because in the eyes of those people, these are not transwomen, they are men. And in the eyes of these people, all men are predators, rapists, pedophiles and what not.
Which is sad in multiple ways.
When this same rhetoric is used by men, those men do not realize (usually people in politics) that they themselves are also the predators they claim all other men to be. After all, according to those same people, it's as simple as saying you are a woman and then being capable of facing no repercussions when raping a woman, so they themselves are capable of the same behavior.
It gives all their male constituents a massive middle finger, yet they are unfortunately to stupid to realize they are being talked to, because they still think it's about transwomen (that's how sneaky the transphobia from these people tends to be).
When it's women using that argument, they do multiple sad things as well:
1. Is that they basically tell all women to fear all men, all the time: after all, transwomen are just men in dresses who are out to rape them without facing legal consequences, better beware of your behavior or you'll get attacked!
It unfortunately reinforces the thing a lot of women are told as if it is normal from the moment they are pretty young: that they need to watch out for men with the wrong intentions.
2. The other thing it does however, is telling all men their disgusting behavior is sort of justified, you can't help yourselves, you are all sexual predators.
Every man who is actively trying to do better, will get the middle finger shown at him as well, this time by someone refusing to acknowledge that there will be men that they can be safe around.
It needs to uphold the idea that men are driven by their sexual urges to such a degree they are emotionless creatures who can't hold a single thought for longer than a second before thinking of rape again, with the goal of turning transpeople into a scary, dark group of people.
This needs to eventually lead to people reading the word transwomen somewhere, and immediately think of rape first, and then about the human being being targeted with this style of hatred.
This whole idea that it's only men also reinforces the harmful idea that women are never sexual predators (that's why you rarely ever hear about transmen).
Why I call this harmful is because I happen to know a story from someone who got warned by her mom at an inappropriately young edge "to watch out for the boys, because the only thing they want is to get into your pants!"
She obviously didn't get that at 6-7 years of age, after all, the part in your pants is just another body part, what would boys want to do with it?
Unfortunately, she developed a hyperfocus on boys being dangerous human beings (because that's the underlying message you get when not understanding it's about urges later in life that can make boys that are not brought up well misbehave) so much, that when she entered puberty and started to understand what her mom had been saying, she had became the perfect target for unfortunately her female mentor in high school, who then sexually abused her multiple times: she had never learned that women can be dangerous to.
What's so funny is that Chaya reached out to Taylor for this interview. Chaya's assistant is the one who filmed the interview. Yes, Chaya is not bright. I don't think she really truly thinks deeply about much of what she's saying.
She also sent Taylor the video. She really thought she cooked with this 😂
She's an example of someone terminally online. Chaya spoke in tweets, as opposed to complete thoughts.
Raichik is proof, stupid is more dangerous than evil.
Also proof the the 2 are not mutually exclusive....
She knows what she is doing. She plays the stupid card. She may think she is justified. But she knows.
So you agree that Taylor is evil?
She thinks if the Nazis she’s helping get their way she’d get a pass as one of the good ones
Quite a few jews have made that mistake.
the issue with arab culture isn't arab culture, it's just that the best food in world doesn't exactly grow in the desert LOL
Well, she is also a Zionist, so she knows she can always move to Israel.
@@Spock_Rogers In Nazi Germany, there was a group called "Association of German National Jews" ...they were thrown on the train eventually too.
she needs to re read her copy of the turner diaries i think
Not all bigots are equal
I don't even feel the need to roast her, she does a very good job of it all by herself.
but some are more bigoted than others
Not all bigots are equally smart LOL
"I never said that," doesn't negate the fact that you did, indeed, say that.
“It’s not like eating a saltine cracker, it’s like staring at a saltine cracker” - 😂😂😅
If anything, the David Reimer case shows that gender dysphoria is a very real thing. He was a cis boy, so being raised a girl was distressing. Just like being raised a boy was distressing for me.
Exactly! Right wingers love to bring up John Money and David Reimer as if the fact Money was an awful person debunks all of the research done on the subject of gender. As if the research and knowledge on the topic hasn't progressed since Money, or if the fact Money was deplorable discounts any truth his studies may have included. They think science being done by bad people makes that science bad, but even that is giving them too much credit because what it really comes down to is that they do not like what the science says because it pushes against their worldview, and Money is an easy out because you can just point and go "look! He thought this and he was a pedo! I was right all along!"
These conservative zealots are so used to circular logic they can't see the cognitive dissonance in what they love spewing as "facts". Reimer's case is a case FOR transitioning, rather than anti transitioning.
It's a shame that the doctor guilty of the malpractice which cost David Reimers life still has a clinic named after him.
The Irony here is that Social Contagion/Conversion Therapy.. were things that John Money believed could be used to change a Child's Gender Identity..
His failures (the atrocities he committed) actually disprove the current myth of Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria, decades before Lisa Littman proposed it.
John Money UNIRONICALLY believed what Current Transphobes believe.. and is the Opposite of our Current understanding which is that Trans People are Born that way.. and Conversion Therapy/Peer Pressure/Torture etc.. cannot change their Gender Identity.. which is why they Transition Socially/Medically to live consistent with their Gender Identity.
I'm always flabbergasted when cons try to use this as a gotcha. Like, bruh, if gender identity isn't inherent, how did this force-fem'd cis boy know something was wrong? If people can be confused or conditioned out of their gender identity, why didn't it work on him? It's brainlet thinking par excellence.
This feels like one of those segments on late night talk shows where they ask people on the street to name the president and they can't.
"Uhhh, not all cultures are equal?"
Saying the quiet parts out loud.
So you guys think all cultures are equal? Anything anyone does has to be considered respectful and decent just because there is a group of people that recognize it as such? I am as strongly opposed to bigotry as anyone. That doesn’t mean we can never make judgements. Abrahamism is based on the willingness to murder one’s own child. The problem with the world is so few people are willing to call out the madness of something such as Abrahamism because everyone is forced to accept all worldviews without judgement. The right wing are indeed the dumbest of all, defending the psychopathy of Abrahamism so it’s doubly problematic that they are apparently the only ones that aren’t going to blindly tolerate intolerance, irrationality and lowly values.
@@meltingintoair7581 Not sure who "you guys" refers to, but I personally reject Raichik's thinly-veiled racist and dehumanizing anti-immigrant sentiment. She wasn't making a thoughtful comment about the relative merits of various cultural traditions; she was othering non-white immigrants.
@@shassett79 this person is othering white immigrants. But should there not for example be an American culture that we expect American citizens to assimilate to? It a hot button issue and its unfortunate the way to bring it up is through the ugly bigotry of the right wing. So its of utmost importance that those concerned with combating this absurd racist position do so on the most rational strategic grounds, not on less rational, less strategic grounds. Surely any such American culture would be entirely multiracial and reflect the melting pot heritage of the nation. So its clear that there the right wing and racist position is entirely antithetical to any authentic sense of what it means to be American. But you don't need full on cultural relativism to have a melting pot culture. You can have a monoculture and not be racist and be multiracial.
Multiculturalism requires less leadership and leads to mediocrity and decay. Multiculturalism is a lower form of social organization than monoculturalism.
Great civilizations are monocultures with great leaders (race doesn't factor in). America is fortunately a monoculture at its core but we have a strong inclination towards multiculturalism. Multiculturalism is merely the agenda of the agents of chaos who rule through divide and conquer. It is a right wing billionaire multifaceted agenda. What's needed is a left wing grand vision of the future. Positive liberty and a real plan to empower individuals regardless of their identities. Such a left wing , monocultural, strong state positive liberty vision would be categorically different from your liberal, multicultural, negative liberty non-vision where billionaires dominate a neutered state.
The Nazi’s and Soviets were both unique in their supposed foundations in rationality and positive liberty plan to uplift and transform citizens into something better. They were both grand visions of the future where the state had a high degree of authority. As much as the left gets hell from the right for being statists, the liberal left is entirely operating in the wake of the trauma of Hitler and Stalin and strictly adhering to precisely antithetical ideas where the state is subordinate to powerful individuals. You have negative liberty instead of positive liberty and emotionalism instead of rationalism. In this new post WW2 liberalism (this is ultimately what neoliberalism is and why neoliberalism is not going away) the citizen is not to be transformed into something better because ultimately we can never know how to do that. Is there any wonder why there’s things like student debt? Consider why this reluctance to improve people at least in theory would derive from a multicultural view and not a monocultural view. If we can’t make judgments about critical things, we have to expect America to become a wasteland.
@@shassett79 she wasn’t making a thoughtful comment about various cultures because she’s a bigot but also we have an enforced multiculturalism where we have to believe all cultures are equally valid. We are not allowed to make judgements.
@@meltingintoair7581 Yes I'm sure your viewpoint is informed by a rational look at evidence and not lazy bigotry, sweeping generalizations, and complete ignorance. I'm sure...
More than anything, Raichik comes across as a blatantly obvious try-hard edgelord.
"People shouldn't be allowed to think, because I don't."
I am remind of the scene in 12,Angry Men when the bigoted juror does his rant and ends by saying “Listen to me!” Juror 4 says “ I have. Now sit down and don’t open your mouth again.”
“Not all cultures are equal”
Okay, try to now rank them without sounding racist.
Anyone who thinks there's such thing as "superior" and "inferior" cultures is low-IQ, primitive tribalist.
Every culture is a mix of good and bad things. One thing you can always bet on though, is that conservatives in every culture are always trying to drag everyone down and back into the past.
I guess the truth is racist then
Chaya Raichik makes Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Geene look smart. That’s a really low bar to slither under.
She lost a debate in an interview.. LOL.
She must have taken notes from Ben Shapiro.
Enlighten us, with how you came to that decision.
@@G0KUBLacK414 Because this was not a debate. She lost because she proved her entire world view.. Is a lie. And woefully uninformed. Also, my comment was said in jest, so thanks for having me think about it further. Turns out it is not only a joke.. but also true.
@@buckiesmalls She made a whole lot of sense; some people would understand that, if they had any.
@@G0KUBLacK414 k
More intersex people in the US than redheads. This is the same as people discriminating against left handed people 40 years ago
Do you think 40 years ago was 1940? Lefties were not being discriminated against in the 1980s... i mean where do we even get this from?
@@nicklazzaro5055 yes they were dumbass
@@nicklazzaro5055 Yes they were. Open a history book
@@nicklazzaro5055 That's right. I inherited lefthanded-ness from my father and neither of us faced any "discrimination" (at least in New England) and my still thriving father was born in 1929.
@@GB-ez6ge @nicklazzaro5055
In the Catholic religion, the left hand was perceived as the devil’s hand, while the right was associated with God. It was this belief that prompted Catholic teachers to discipline their left-handed pupils.
Dunne, who attended Catholic school through college, was subjected to left-handed discrimination.
In 1995, he was walking home from kindergarten with his left wrist wrapped in twine. The other end of the twine was tied to his belt loop.
“My mother asked why I had the twine tied to my wrist and belt loop and I told her my teacher told me the left hand was the ‘devil’s hand’ and that I could not use it to write,” Dunne wrote.
Source: "Born into a right-handed world, ‘lefties’ have faced persecution, struggles and triumphs" from the Durango Herald on 2023-08-13 (YT doesnt let me post the link for some reason)
Notice that he was in kindergaten in 1995 ? And stated that the discrimination kept through college ? Unless Donne was a genius that finished college two years after attending kindergarten, that discrimination kept through the 2000s.
So yeah, left-handed people were discriminated against less than 40 years, even less than 25 years ago. Maybe not everywhere on the planet but still present in lots of societies.
i wanna see the clip of her saying "I like truth" and "we are a nation of truth" etc alongside the clip where she says "Is it a crime to lie?" in the same interview please!!
Even if she believed what said with "There are no genders, two sexes and unlimited personalities", how would "My gender doesn't match my assigned sex" be any different from "My personality doesn't match my assigned sex"? I'm not even smart and I saw that immediately. She needs to stop spouting her ignorance.
I can't stand this libs of tiktok woman but how does one's personality match their sex exactly? As a lefty myself, I do find it weird that when it comes to the gender discussion many on the left suddenly think crude stereotypes are what should define people. Does liking handbags and dresses make one a woman? Football and cars a man?
Why would this jew think that she is part of the "superior" race? She would be gassed by the nazi's she could never join the kkk?
@@scootaymildo1070 Why are you assuming those are the aspects of "personality" that are being referred to? I can't speak for the other person, but as a trans person myself, "crude stereotypes" are not what make me know i'm not my assigned gender. It's something hard to define, but I think it works very much the same way cis people know they ARE their assigned gender... they just don't have to think about it as much.
@@scootaymildo1070
"I do find it weird that when it comes to the gender discussion many on the left suddenly think crude stereotypes are what should define people. Does liking handbags and dresses make one a woman? Football and cars a man?"
By "many" you mean a handful of random people on twitter. I highly doubt you've actually engaged in much gender discussion considering the deconstruction of gender stereotypes and gender norms are a pretty main part.
Gender nonconformity doesn't mean you're trans. The framing that this is what trans people are pushing is a right wing talking point not actually based in real discussions. To highlight the point, the comment you're replying to didn't say anything about defining other people, but was defining themselves. They used the term personality because the comment they were responding to refused to acknowledge the existence of gender identity.
@@wrazzberrie1197 what I find interesting about your comment and the previous one is that you both very much talk around the point that I made and don't actually explain what being trans means and I think that's very telling. If we're to go by the dictionary definition of gender: "the male sex or the female sex, especially when considered with reference to SOCIAL AND CULTURAL DIFFERENCES rather than biological ones" it is very much implied that the idea of gender is in-fact based on stereotypes of what men and women are and many would find that problematic for obvious reasons (I.e. butch, "gender non-conforming" women who very much identify as women). Now i know that people will say that definition is far too simplistic but the only criteria that seems to be widely accepted for someone to be considered trans is that they simply declare themselves to be trans which, to me, is absurd. There's also a really interesting paradox that people want to make seemingly objective statements such as "I am a man" or "I am a woman" based on their adopted gender identity, however it is based on very loose, subjective criteria which is obviously logically flawed. The idea of gender quite frankly has been rendered meaningless, it can't be both a social construct and someone's objective reality. These positions are clearly at odds with one another.
And saying that my point is a "right wing talking point" is not a rebuttal, and lots of left wing feminists (the so-called dreaded TERFs) would very much agree with me on this issue so I reject that completely.
The thing that struck me was how flat Chaya was. She seemed like she’d taken a bunch of benzos before showing up.
The vibe I got was "defensive." She had to figure out how to present her p.o.v. and not sound stupid.......and she lacked confidence in that.
Her entire opinion on gender fluidity is nothing more than her "feelings" and isn't based on any science at all. Even a passive reporter like Taylor is going to expose Chaya's flawed thinking if she just lets her talk, imagine if she were up against a more skilled debater with a better grasp of the subject.
I definitely prefer Taylor’s boobs
@@kellyjay7448 I think this stems from the fact that a lot of the methods used when making her videos normally were not applicable now, for it being "live-to-tape", and thus, no good possibility to use some editing to look smart or flashy.
Sometimes I compare this with Eurodance acts from the 90's that looked superdupercool in their videoclip, but if not careful fell apart rather quickly in live performances, where the flashy camerawork along with editing/mixing typically was a whole lot more difficult to pull off right.
Their music, sometimes even sung live was still good, but you noticed that they delivered well when everything was controlled well, but when that was out of their reach the performance lacked the punch it tended to have in the videoclip.
A more skilled debater would level her verbally in an instant, by the way, and I feel she was already very much nervous because of not being in control like she normally is, and coming over completely uninterested, or at least lacking a severe amount of energy as a result, simply for being scared.
Chaya:”’They’ are trying to replace us”
HEY CHAYA WHO IS ‘THEY’ REFERRING TO WHAT ETHNIC GROUP DO YOU THINK THAT IS??????
Right? I mean, I can barely keep track of these grifters but when I heard that I was like, “Wait… isn’t she Jewish? And she’s supporting *this* type of bigotry?”
And who is “us”? Pretty sure she doesn’t know who each group is because she’s not in the group she thinks she is.
She said gender was made up and it immediately took a left turn lmao
Hope chaya gets sued out of existence. Still don't know why tik tok hasn't sued her for using their name.
They must approve of her content
Nah. Someone needs to challenge her to a cage match.
@@promeitheusit's China's app so if her account is bad and divisive for USA then surely they approve
Tis the facebook business model. Her headline printing generates a lot of clicks.
Chinese psyop
And Oklahoma wants this lady to be in charge of which books are available to school age children?!?!?! 😅 my goodness 😂
Taylor asked her about that. Not sure if it’s included in this video but that section of the interview was one of the best IMHO. Taylor did a great job of pushing her on her qualifications and emphasizing how little connection she has to OK.
My understanding is that she already is in charge of the books.
Her reasoning to take over books is that she visited Oklahoma once. 🤨🤔😵
Can she read?
The swedish study does not say what CR claims it says - according to the author of that study.
Advanced biology would like to have words with CR.
Advanced? She is failing by Jr. High standards.
I get the impression from this that Raichik doesn’t have even a grasp of the basic parts of the issues she supposedly finds important. She’s the kid who just added words to her essays to meet the word count without adding anything significant to the premise. I don’t think she even believes any of this. She’s just found a grift as a troll. That’s all she has.
Conservatives have the most amazing ability to hold multiple opinions at the same time that contradict each other.
And that's why it's safe to dismiss anything they claim definitively or otherwise I'm just going to assume that the source is tainted
Phantasm. That is the point.
That's because, although they may hold all the dots, they do not have the ability to connect them. It makes them look silly when they step outside their echo chamber, and try to engage.
Imagine being as consumed with hate as she is. So sad.
Imagine being upset when someone says there is only 2 genders lmfao
It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person. It’s impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.
"It's a lie." Hon, I male failed consistently for years while dressed in men's clothing, speaking normally. I had no beard shadow til my late 20's, and almost no facial hair, so little body hair, people thought I shaved it, a perfect hairline. I'm 5'6". I never could gain any muscle. With long hair, people saw a girl. With short hair, people thought I was a teen boy, and would talk down to me. Hell, looking back at pics of me with short hair, I literally just looked like a queer woman, because I masculinized SO LITTLE. So, what's the lie? I never remotely passed for an adult man.
"You can't change your sex" 1. Biological sex is more complicated than a binary male and female. Intersex people exist. Even among people who aren't intersex, there is a vast amount of variance among people. Tall cis women with low voices. Short high voices men, etc. 2. What does that matter? I don't plan on breeding. I'm a lesbian, so if I were AFAB, it's not like I'd be having kids anyway. I prefer pets to kids. And with all the physical, mental, and developmental issues I have, I wouldn't want to have kids, as they'd likely be severely disabled, like me.
I'm likely intersex, and I'm a woman if you like it or not.
Lol. Ok girl chill.
I don't think you should be calling yourself intersex if you don't know that you are. Can we leave them out of this? They can speak for themselves.
And, as a trans woman myself, I'm not really sure what your body hair or how you perceive yourself as androgynous has to do with anything.
Trans people can pass as the opposite sex. Maybe that wss your point?
Idk I'm not disagreeing with you necessarily. But I just really don't like when people try to invoke intersex people when arguing that trans people are real and can pass or people can be androgynous.
Intersex doesn't equal androgyny. And that's seperate topic.
Im probably not intersex and i was androgynous before i transitioned. I have been living stealth as a woman for half a decade.
You don't need to be intersex to validate yourself as a woman. That's my point. Lets let people that actually are intersex and know for sure, speak for themselves.
@@dat1bitch-they say they are likely intersex. You might take into account that they have readon to think so. Have you had a gebetiy test done that established that you are not intersex?
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@@dat1bitch-so you will just totally torpedo any ally just so you can espouse on what YOU think genders should be? Isn’t that the whole point? Doesn’t that person get to decide what they are? Are YOU the arbiter of what gender is? How could you be so blind?
@@dat1bitch-I agree with you that people should not instrumentalise people living with differences of sexual development.
Chaya basically admitted her origin story is "I was bored during COVID and got uncomfortable with gay and trans people I saw online, so I decided to make it everyone else's problem."
She's been pathetic from the start.
She looks/acts like an old aunt who tells you how to raise kids, but she doesn’t any…..
As a Swede, I'll mention just quickly as it comes to the "Swedish Study" (if this is the "Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden" one);
1. The data is from 1963 to 2003. Not only weren't (nor isn't) Sweden that LGBT+ friendly, but this was before we had an law against discrimination, and the one we got (Diskrimineringslagen) came in effect 2009. So yeah, being trans, or any other identity someone didn't like, dehumanized, or outright demonized, could just be denied work. (Do keep Sweden's dubious LGBT+ friendliness in mind as you read these points. People gotten a bit better, laws not so much).
2. While Sweden was early(first?) with legalizing gender marker changes on legal papers, it required all operations, and only manwoman. But among those operations were forced sterilization, which kept going until mid 2013. (seriously, look up how that law is where you live, since those people who talks about POTENTIAL sterilization of trans kids over puberty blockers still often support laws that wants surgical sterilization on trans adults).
3. Sweden still keeps conversion therapy legal, and it's only the past couple of years it's even really been discussed as a problem by politicians.
4. Swedish Democrats(SD), which are the party which Dim Fool/Pim Tool/Tim Pool met up with during his "scary" visit to Sweden, are on the forefront of not only being anti-asylum seekers, but they keep pushing for the idea that being LGBT+ from a country which would execute them over it is not a reason for seeking asylum. SD got just over 20% of the votes in the last election, and if they win a future election, will make it everyone's problem, especially for any minority.
I'll also add that LOTT'on here(read it as moron) probably heard of John Money and think he is the one that created gender, in the same way people claim that Newton created gravity, which is even wrong that way since the idea of gender and trans people existed before JM, just that he possibly coined the transgender term. And he was a disgusting monster for sure, but just s LOTT'on, he wished to force someone to be a gender they weren't. It's also very telling that LOTT'on doesn't know what gender even is, as she was talking about the dangers of "non-binary" clothes before this, and if gender is something we shouldn't care about, then what we wear doesn't matter, except based on climate, weather, and situation.
Wow, this is enlightening as somebody living in quite the opposite side of the world (still very homophobic down here too)
If it’s the study I think it is, what it showed was that after transitioning lowered the suicide rate. It was still higher than cisgender people, which is why I think they keep trying to say that the rate goes up.
@@kayleescruggs6888 The study mostly showed that the outcome was bad regardless of transitioning or not when transpeople **did not get mental healthcare prior and after surgery/hormones**, something the paper advocated for to impose in revision of healthcare guidelines for transpeople.
It is a study widely abused by extreme-right politicians because of how according to them it reinforces the believe that transitioning doesn't fix anything, and thus, ultimately only does more harm than good, while the paper stated that good mental healthcare leads to a much better outcome, prior and after surgery/transitioning.
That is next to this paper having a problematically large timespan, and, if I recall correctly not having talked to any transperson itself: it was all combined numbers from other papers.
The summary unfortunately is narrow enough that it allows the right-wing talking point to be made over and over again.
If someone moved into the apartment next to hers would she lose her mind thinking her landlord was trying to replace her?
Chaya is playing something i like to call a "rhetorical shell game" (I'm sure there's better term for it) in which she conflates something being immoral (ethically "wrong") and being incorrect (factually "wrong") and boucing between those definitions as she needs to "hide the ball", to continue the "shell game".
Of course, being trans is neither ethically nor factually wrong, but she can avoid coming to that conclusion if she plays the game well enough.
The Fallacy of Equivocation
@@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos Thank you. I knew it had one of those fallacy names. People usually fall into logical fallacies when they are working backwards from an idea they didn't use logic to arrive at. I like calling it a shell game because it has sort of performance aspect to it. The way she argued reminded me of watching young earth creationists debate, and they are doing it solely for the performance.
I don’t think Chaya understands who “they” are.
The irony that many of the people espousing that belief would lump her in as "them". Great replacement theory is antisemitism (along with all the other racism, obviously).
This woman indirectly killed Nex Benedict by creating a culture of hunting trans people
"they shouldn't be allowed to change their gender because it's based on a lie"
So she also thinks religion should be outlawed, right?
What ????!!
I get your point, same should apply to any set of unsupported beliefs if that's what Raichik is saying she should at least be consistent.
Well there's separation of church and state in legal codes so not the best talking point
What ??? What??what???
No idea …”lie” +”gender”+ “religion”…please do not stop keep going…my response: what???what???
I am pretty sure this study in Sweden she is "quoting" is looking at people who have transitioned and comparing their mental wellbeing / suicide rate to people who are CIS. If you didn't already think she was dumb, this should do the trick.
The study actually stated that without mental healthcare, the chances of the outcome being good are far lower than when these people are guided well prior and after the surgery/transition.
It didn't compare transpeople to cis-people, but there's a multitude of other problems with this paper, with one of the things being the excessively large timespan.
If I were to apply it to my country (The Netherlands) it spans the years in which homosexuality got taken out of the lawbooks as a crime, along with also being the timeframe in which "a man impersonating the other sex" (and thus basically transwomen) was taken out of the lawbooks as a crime.
Imagine the shift in how society treats people based on just those things alone, and now factor in how a lack of mental healthcare alone could make you be ill-prepared for the results of surgery/transition in a society that might still treat you as a criminal, should you, for whatever reason get arrested for said crime.
"I never cared if I shocked people, because if people are shocked by the truth, they're not deserving of the truth, because the truth is something that must be deserved."
- Tennessee Williams
I'm supposed to believe these Right Wingers care about the Truth; please.
The Swedish study she is referring to says at the very end that, while suicidality of Trans individuals is higher than their Cis counterparts even after transitioning, this is something that could possibly (using this language because it was outside of the scope of the study) could be lowered with societal acceptance and therapy. It does not show that suicidality rises after transitioning. If she loves truth so much, she would have read the study in the first place rather than repeating the BS that conservative media outlets have been pushing about it for the last few years.
It's about as problematic as the Steensma research that used such a massively broad determination to label children having genderdysphoria it lead to an exceptionally high desistance rate, one regularly abused by right-wing politicians for trying to instill fear over the treatment of transchildren by saying we should withhold puberty blockers since "80% will grow out of it!" (this is the number of children said to not experience genderdysphoria anymore at a later age in life).
"I didn't say that." THEN SAY SOMETHING!!
Thats all they do.... answer questions that werent posed and then say they didnt say that....
30 minutes later she does say it, too. "Gender ideology should be eradicated"
LibsofTikTok is what happens when your most complex thought can fit on a bumper sticker with room left over for Inna Gadda da Vida.
Is this a side effect of ozempic? The brain worms eat the extra fat? I didn't know I'd learn so much science in this segment.
God she sounds like a 12 yr old
"They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're bringing copies of 'And Tango Makes Three'..."
Underrated comment 😂😂😂
Listening to people debate transgenders is getting so stupid and useless. How anyone can say it has become mainstream when less than 5% of the entire population are transgender or nonbinary is just mind boggling.
I know it's serious that so many people actually are like this. but I couldn't help but laugh out loud at her 'truth' answers. It is so unbelievably stupid.
Annual US birth rate is only about 1%. More Americans immigrate in and out of the country than have a child. Wait - why does it matter where a newborn in the US was actually born? It doesn't unless you are a racist.
So does Chia support free healthcare and UBI for new moms, for even one year? Too promote higher birth rate? Maybe free college education guaranteed for new borns?
Awkward.
I really wish Taylor had asked more questions about her education plans, if she's against the trans ideology and thinks sex ed is porn in schools, what does she plan to do exactly? What would her curriculum look like?
She'll probably approve of the baby delivering stork fairytale, or cabbage batch babies.
Anything to shield the children from knowing about icky sex, lol.
Emma V. put it best in an earlier video when she said "she [Chaya] is so aggressively uncharismatic." Chaya is the off-brand dish soap of right-wing politics: watered down, and when it's all gone you're relieved you don't have any more.
I can't stop laughing at "When it's all gone, you're relieved you don't have any more" 😂😂😂 please throw the link to this so I can get the full hilarity of hearing Emma say it!
@@JimmyDreadNDMS if I can find it, I will. Emma puts to words what I can't
I've watched this on several channels already. It never gets old.
Right wing is always talking about IQ... Ummm how high is hers? 45?
"There's a study in Sweden"
Swedish healthcare offers transitions for free.
She is worried about "lies" with kids. So why not be outraged at Santa, the Easter bunny,the toothfairy. All religions??
Do those have to do with kids' bodies and how they perceive themselves?
@@StandbySunset who cares about that!? She is talking about lying to kids.
I agree they should all be equally judged for lack of evidence depending on the harm they cause. Like the tooth fairy is harmless but if a kid suddenly started chewing sandpaper and gargling treacle before bed then you gotta say the truth. Same with religion, if a kid vaguely gets excited over a visit from santa fine that's your basic garden variety kid in a Christian majority country, but if they lie awake at night with knots in their stomach dreading hell, because some asshole at Sunday school got them worried then again it's doing objective harm.
With adultsadults religion can cause huge harm, when they discourage use of contraceptives, shield abusers and force their beliefs on people who aren't part of the religion, absolutely it should be called out like "hey I got no problem with you going to church for yourself but I have a huge problem with you sitting at the right hand of government setting reproductive policy for the rest of us when we're not part of your religion". And worse, they don't know any better than the rest of us and it's just their faith based hobby horse without any proof to back it up other than their own ardently professed convictions where we have to just trust them, they're chatting with "god". Keep that stuff in church among yourselves.
@@StandbySunsetthat wasn't part of her complaint. Her only expressed concern was the truth value of the statements
i really really dislike raya. she is such a stumbling, incoherent hate monger
Who's Raya?
@@FreshwaterSquid77 Raya Hichick, obvs
It's amazing how any sort of argument about gender from Chaya just crumbles. If Taylor wasn't approaching this as a journalist interview and more of a debate, there's so many ways to just bury Chaya's "ideas" on this.
In this battle of wits, Raichik was the equivalent of the (butter) knife in a gunfight
Butter knives can have a little serration, even if the edge is pretty blunt.
I think the word you were looking for is "spoon"
@@kimirikscreations Lets go with that. 👍
Some animals are more equal than others.
Oh damn! This hits!
I have seen video game NPC with less scripted dialog
“Staring at a saltine cracker.”
lol, damn Emma. 💀
And watching Emma is like staring at a pancake.
@@alexanderkerensky2984 And starring at fash is like starring at dead men walking.
@@Shadowman4710 I think you mean Palestinians.
Edit: Oops, forgot to add the evil laugh. Gotta keep up the persona.
She’s quite literally evil and deeply disturbed
And banal!
More immigrants than native born has probably true throughout multiple points in US history.
Taylor did so well here.
Chaya should be ashamed of herself.
That would require a set of emotional tools with which Raichik, as a sociopath, is not equipped.
@@blackcrust330 I know - and fear for her kids.
Who was that masked moral relativistic humanoid? Also in the interview she replied to Chaya that displaying gay pornography to pre-teen children "depends on the context" as to whether it is appropriate or not.
The banality of evil on full display.
The absolute most insane part is that Chaya's group is the one that set this up and filmed it. Chaya thinks she won this conversation.
Have they explained *why* abusers would groom children to be transgender? I don’t follow the republican logic.
no they haven’t, because there’s no logic to begin with
There is no logic, they are just evil.
These are the same people who opposed a ban on child marriage because them and their friends want to be able to continue to buy and marry children in the thousands like they have been doing.
It’s that old “they can’t procreate so they must recruit” bullshit they used against gay people
They think it's icky and it makes them feel weird when they think about it, that's nefarious enough for them
You need a church to tell you to be a good person. Otherwise you abuse children like your thinking about all the time. Which consertives don't seem to realize is a self report
Every minute spent arguing with idiots is a waste of your life.
"we are a country of truth" is the biggest lie told......
I mean these LGBTQIA ppl are extremely charismatic and fabulous so a woman as bland and sad as Raya is obviously jealous
So I was told about a man named John Money who apparently "formed" Gender Studies. Now as for valid is he and how much has he actually contributed to modern gender studies, he didn't do much. He's not a great guy and did some terrible things. Anyone against the idea of nonbinary or transgender people seem to site him often as why this is bad. How he's problematic is that he forced a child who had a botched circumcision to be transitioned as a female without the person's consent. To make it worse, this person was a twin and Dr Money would force them to do unspeakable things. The child would grow up and later unalive themself. This is often used as citation as to why transitioning children is bad, but if you take an honest look at this, this is far from what anyone is advocating for. It's an outlier to the majority of transitions, which are usually done incrementally and at the request of the child. The large majority of procedures have the patient well informed and make sure to minimize damages, as any medical treatment can have side effects and possible complications.
She can hardly string a sentence together.
10:46 I watched the whole interview, commented on by Vaush. He looked up the study that is referred to. It disingenuously compared the suicidal ideations of post-surgery trans people to those of cis-gendered people. On top of which, the studied even concluded that SI in trans community can be lessened with positive interactions from family and community, i.e., with support. I know, I know... 🤯
Vaush supports cp
@@user-uv7mf2tt2c He doesn't, but keep falling for clips edited together by a literal neo-nazi, dude.
Neo-nazis are known to be honest after all
The title really mimics Sam's vocab very well haha
I love how every leftist channel is uploading a different piece of this interview to comment on because its all so crazy 😂
It's a perfect dissection of the always online right wing brain
How do they know that “replacement” isn’t their “gods” plan? Maybe a god that created one world also wanted their creation to learn to live together? Not so much “replacement”, but more, “Human beings are one race, it is you who divide them”.
Phantasms everywhere
"We are a nation of TRUTH." Like Donald Trump, for example. Trump is just a trutthy guy.
John Money actually proved the existence of gender dysphoria, albeit in a very messed up way which is why TERFs like to reference him a lot. He forcibly transitioned cisgender children to the opposite gender, resulting in severe cases of gender dysphoria for his ‘patients’ when they had transitioned. TERFs like to talk about him as if he was a proponent of gender identity, and therefore gender ideology is bad, but in reality he made these people suffer the same hardship that trans people go through themselves, proving the reality of their struggle.
I've never understood the "that's the exception and not the rule" argument. Like if it's a binary, say you had a company producing only red and blue M&Ms, but for every 300 million they produced, their machines also made 3 million pink M&Ms. Would we ever say this is a company that only produces 2 different colours? If they had to describe in court the total number of possible colours of M&Ms they produce, would anybody reasonably agree they only produce two colours, and the third colour they produce is just an exception to the rule and not a colour? "Your honour, although you can SEE three different coloured M&Ms on our sample plate here of all of the products we produce, please understand that this is a type of binary. You see, our machines completely naturally will produce pink M&Ms, but because that isn't the ideal it doesn't count."
This is one of the worst examples ive ever seen used for anything. The equivalent would be saying youll never win the lottery.... are their winners, yes! But you would be an exception to the rule not the common man who plays the lottery. Dear god the things you just said was a complete word salad
@@nicklazzaro5055 Yeah, I know that you rely on that opinion to be true, but you literally just said a whole lot of nothing. It almost sounds like arguing with an average Destiny viewer. "God that analogy was bad! Word salad! So dumb! Anyway see ya!"
None of what you just said refuted what I said, nor made any counter claim that was interesting.
@@nicklazzaro5055Just because you didn't understand it doesn't make it a word salad.
Oh i understood it. Terrible example and isnt at all what the saying hes referencing is ab. If anything what he just said proves the saying true. Exceptions to rules doesnt mean denying the existence of things by the millions. Please stop speaking for all of eternity.@@sylverscale
@@nicklazzaro5055 Except, the anti-trans argument isn’t “there are only two sexes, with some exceptions,” it’s “…no exceptions.” When you point out the exceptions, they say, “yeah, there are exceptions, but they are extremely rare, so there are only two sexes.” It’s never a nuanced view that their critics are uncharitably characterizing.
I love how Chaya is doing her best razzlekhan impersonation and still failing
😂😂 best comment
If its the Swedish study I'm thinking of it's misrepresented by anti trans bigots, the lead author has done interviews where she says that these representations are "absurd".
great replacers never see their own colonizer irony 😅
I am pretty far left and I DO think that SOME cultures are better than others. For example, the cultures that subjugate women as 2nd class citizens, forbids them to vote or even go to school ARE inferior to the cultures that include women as full participants in government and society.
Why aren’t you guys on rumble? Just went there saw your profile but no vids😮
Not all cultures are equal is insane
@@mysterymeat187 Right wing "culture" is inferior.
@@mysterymeat187it is an opinion
@@mysterymeat187Equating/not equating the concept of culture is highly misguided and pretty stupid. 99% of human culture has been developed with the influence and contribution of many different ppl and their ways. The U.S. is a perfect example of this. Many ppl from around the world has made this country what it is in terms of the variety of cultural richness that is present here
@@mysterymeat187 what other species of mammal/animal is like that? Were all human beings. We have the same basic requirements. We all like to laugh. If you think your culture is better than another's then you are completely misunderstanding the purpose of your existence
My understanding taylor exposed libsoftiktok for who she was.
I've never seen someone less interested in defending their position than Chaya Raichik in this interview. Someone needs a personality update 🤖. Perhaps elon could help her out.
I can't wait to see her get dragged into court for her constant slander and harassment. She is going to make Alex Jones look like a genius.
You sure that isn't a job for Zuckerberg ?
@@never2yield20 nah, zuk kinda knows what he's doing, even if he's as chamring as a wet noodle
elon doesn't know shit, and relies on goons and workers to do everything but siitng in his office and playing around on twitter, he is essentially a CEO acting as figurehead, rather than a leader
give it to him to do alone and elon WILL fuck it up, which is why he hides behind the work of his ''peons'' and claims their work as his
Marginalizing a group of people for being a minority, such as dismissing the importance of intersex people, is a very conservative thing to do. "Oh they're not common, so I shouldn't have to think about them."
yet intersex people are more common than redheads
LGBT+ people as a whole are more common than buick drivers!
She really couldn't make it past "You can't change your genderrr". Just locked up and started babbling about "the truth" without addressing the question
Negative charisma is the best phrase ever
Chaya Raichik proves that anyone can make it in capitalist America
Is I don't see gender the same as I don't see color? lol