@cfrey1988 isn't really the reading of books it's the ability to process the information. Plus learning how to detect fallacies allows you to ask the right type questions and not just take someone's word for it.
It’s called divide and conquer-the Plebs don’t want to get organised -they’d rather worship at the feet of the rich and powerful-many who’ve never had to do an honest days work in their lives
The sick thing is listening to poor people thinking that these two are correct. The self hatred that capitalism breeds in the poor is the bigger problem with the system.
I work in the IT dept at a liberal arts college and half the profs here are conservatives. I did a screen share with a guy a few weeks ago and his email inbox was loaded with "Eric Trump is Coming to Michigan!" spam LOL there was so much of it, very very corny.
I have a relative who is an incredibly talented graphic designer who has worked his ass off delivering top quality work to brands who have made millions off his designs while he wallows just above the poverty line, and he still believes “poor people” are just lazy.
@@danielwilliams8183😂😂😂 Yupp. I have a right wing uncle whose ENTIRE education was paid for by a rich benefactor. The dude's been receiving handouts his entire adult life and yet still believes poor people are only poor because they don't work hard enough. 😂😂😂 When I point out that he himself was wallowing in poverty before he got a ton of money that he DID NOT WORK FOR, which gave him the biggest get-out-of-jail-free-card ever, he just gets angry and points out that, unlike many people, "he took advantage of the opportunities given to him." Conservative ethics, when you deconstruct it with any rigor, is simply the intellectual justification for selfishness. End of story. The rest is irrelevant.
These guys are bad for society because they reinforce the whole misconception that if you work hard enough you'll end up millionaires like them! When what they really mean is: listen to their podcasts, buy their products, buy their books, spend your money and time on THEM in the false hope that YOU can become like them!
It's pretty disturbing when a "psychologist" has no concept of why so many people turn to crime, alcoholism, drug addiction; suffer from mental health diseases , suicide, depression, as they're being oppressed and exploited by the billionaire class.
Psychology doesn't understand money or rules I know this as fact but I'm a problem they can't solve but I'm a human we are all different I'm not a real man .... because I'm not making money obviously.
@@oliverwilson5957 Whether he's a "real" psychologist is neither here nor there. The issue is whether he's a decent human being, and no degree will produce a decent human being where there was none before.
I personally knew one of his guests: a woman who had gotten pregnant through date rape, had been drugged, and he did the "You weren't a good enough victim so I think you are lying" crap. The RAPIST got custody of her child because they didn't believe a person who was drugged and raped could possibly not realize what happened to her in five minutes. He "both-sides" her viciously and ignored it when she started to literally dissociate on stage. He blamed her for the whole thing. I never looked at Dr Phil the same again.
Worst part is, he absolutely knows what he's doing. He benefits when we the working masses are divided. The longer we argue about if millionaires and billionaires should exist means they get to continue to exist while we "debate".
Dr. Phil didn't gaslight anyone. All he did was fart in a room and convinced nobody that it was a hurricane. You have to be dumb to be gaslit by this guy.
I literally don’t even hear anyone defend him anymore when his name is brought up, even the people who still watch him know he’s lost. Calling himself an Ape and the apes roll their eyes
Hi, I'm a disable Vet with chronic pain and various other issues here. Every year since the pandemic, my rent alone has gone up $100. None of the jobs i worked could match the rate of living expenses. Now, luckily and fortunately for me, i receive support. I know full and well if i hadn't, i couldn't afford the cost of living. These two bald guys are clueless! No one should take a fake doctor and an MMA bro seriously in these matters
Look through history what ends up happening be smart ass Republican Elites get greedy take away opportunity until people are desperate then they throw in the castle and cut their heads off when I got out of high school in 1973 they were plenty of jobs decent jobs his greedy as a corporations were they were still loyal to America but then it changed and they squeezed out every penny of profit agreed of the bridge through history has been there downfall
I keep reading and hearing about rising wages keeping inflation up. I don't know anyone whose making more at all, unless they work longer but the per hour is the same.
@@kurtsnyder4752 they constantly say if you raise wages the costs of everything else will go up. So what are we supposed to do? It’s like you’re admitting we’re being held hostage. Are we just supposed to watch the cost of living outpace the wages at the rate it is? Profits are way up so why aren’t wages? We’re wage slaves at this point.
@@jt_rooster3228 As if being a socialist is a bad thing in itself. It depends on the type of socialism, but I don't know if nuance is your cup of tea if that's your argument.
At one point, my brother told me that the reason why he didn't want to see the minimum wage increased was because "I like the idea of making twice as much as someone else." Well, if you don't realize that the real enemy is someone who gets more in a day than you do in a year rather than someone who makes a little less than you do, you're doing it wrong.
@@rodolfo7441 or…. As a society, we can help those who aren’t able to help themselves in the same way that you and I are. Way better than being hyper selfish
I’ve experienced that majority of rich are sociopaths, completely unaware of suffering that they cause. It seems like that they have a prerogative to exploit people in need. Total disregard for folks that are stuck because of their greed.
To be rich and successful means to look at a grandmother who missed one mortgage payment and tell her, "The house that you've called 'home' for the past 30 years is up for foreclosure." To be rich and successful means to make the price of insulin 300% more than what it costs to produce it, even if it means people dying. The cost of material wealth is empathy.
My brother has had a disability his entire life and is unable to work. He makes $900 a month on SSI and $64 in SNAP. He just lost his housing. You're telling me he makes too much money? GFY
republicans live in an world of alternate facts. its astoniiiiiiiiiiishing. i explained this recently to an couple life long friends who vote republican. and like trump somehow. i went through heropin addiction some years back..2014-2018...when i got sober and changed my life i needed assistance at first. i believe they gave me 235 dollars welfare assistance and 190 food stamps. i live in california, the most liberal state. they aLSO REQUIRED PROOF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR AN JOB. this is one of the biggest lies the right sells. that miiiiiiillllions of people sit at home all day living off the government. even single mothers who get welfare are given the equivalent of someone who lmakes well below minimum wage. to say these people are getting to much is ridiculous. they dont work as much because they are either teenagers with side jobs or parents. to act like there are millllions of 30 year old men working 20 hours an week and having their lives subsidized by the government is just an flat out lie,
same here i am german and i have mental disabilitys that make it near impossible for me to work i make only 300 euro a month and the only reason i get by is because my mother was so kind to let me live with her even though i am already an adoult i think universal basic income would be a great thing for poor people that and much more ☺
They are creating a cohort who will be interested in euthanizing anyone who can't be productive or used in some way to generate money. I know that sounds harsh, but the selfishness being promoted now is more like psychopathy I think.
This is a classic example of a rich man taking 9 out of 10 doughnuts and telling a middle class person that the lower class person are coming for your doughnut
He has no idea how competitive Masters and Phd programs are. PHD candidates put in over 60 hours a week of gathering research, then have to endure an arduous approval process for a degree that immediately puts you in debt. What other job is there that you have to pay to get?
As an engineer, I left academia for the private sector BECAUSE academia is so, so much more competitive. It's pretty much impossible to get a tenured position at a decent university unless you have a 4.0, score high on GRE and hopefully get your name on some research papers so you can get into a top school for your doctorate, work your ass off making very little pay for several years and hope to get a decent post doc, then work your ass off for a few more years for very little pay and then MAYBE you can compete for a small number of adjunct or associate professor positions which MIGHT later turn into a tenure and even THEN you still probably won't even break into the six figures. Life is so much easier in the private sector.
@@dckuhaits because academia is over saturated. How many PhD students are going through a particular program to become a professor? Compare that to openings, and a lot of the current profs arent going anywhere. Schools still make money, but what do you get as the student? This can be said for the education system as a whole, so many going to school paying $$$$ for degrees they will most likely never use.
@@darex0827you mentioned in another comment you went to uni for engineering after leaving the military. I very much doubt this to be true. You seem like a person who didn’t go to uni who has a chip on his shoulder towards people who did.
When Phil said that aloud, my jaw dropped. He doesn’t know what the flying fuck he’s talking about. I got secondhand embarrassment watching him talk, thank god his hideous mustache embroiled me with enough disgust to serve as a distraction.
Facts. Everyone I know who initially wanted to get into academia left as soon as they found out how insanely COMPETITIVE it is. These people are so ignorant it's embarrassing.
Princeton postdoc here. Despite our PhDs, most of us are in our 30s making less than 65k a year and staying on for over 4 years to build up our resumes because academia is so crazy competitive. The “easy way out” is to go to private industry where pay is better and competition is lower. These idiots don’t have a clue what they’re talking about.
During the pandemic, my boss fired me for contracting Covid, then he told the unemployment office that I voluntarily quit my job so that I couldn't collect unemployment because he assumed I was pretending to be sick, even though for 2 years prior I hadn't missed a single day of work. A week later he had to close down the restaurant because Covid spread through the other employees.
Wow, what a scumbag. So many rich people are complete sociopaths. I'm sorry you had to go through that. At least the DB lost his restaurant in the end 😂😂.
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270 That restaurant was nasty and should have been shut down by the health inspector several times while I worked there, but in my town, restaurant owners are known for bribing health inspectors. I also ran into that douchebag recently while I was out making deliveries with my new job. When he saw me, he started bad mouthing me to the manager of the restaurant I was delivering to. He's lucky I was on the clock.
Not sure if he's thinking like OF cam girls on welfare - or what I have seen this in person at my IT software company. While the nerds (mostly men) come into the lab to set up test equipment and build customer systems from complex deployment guides ... sometimes flying out to customer sites to fix issues ... many women in the office took "Cost Adjustment Manager" jobs where they almost never have to come in - and wind up taking off at 3pm every day to take care of the "kiddos" earning a comfortable mid-$100K salary (nobody dares question their contribution). Meanwhile, the nerds in the lab are working 10+ hours a day - barely breaking six figures (this is in a market where the average price of a home is $600K).
@@wuffy68 definitely factual if wuffy says it from his one job experience. God forbid the manly nerds take a break from work to raise their kids instead of leaving it to the lazy, incapable women.
My brother thinks like this. He is well off, I am not. When I talk about universal healthcare , etc he says “we can’t have that, who would serve him on vacation.”
I get tears in my eyes and want to sing the Star Spangled Banner!! There is nothing more American then listening to a couple of millionaires complain about poor people........... They must still have PTSD from the understaffed restaurants post covid.
The more the super rich squeeze on the less fortunate the more we're heading for a French Revolution moment it's happened many times in history the super rich get greedy
It’s funny i saw screenshots of this interaction over the past few days but i didnt think the conversation could have been remotely this disgusting. Tax the rich, billionaires shouldn’t exist, left is best
@@TwistedwithPower If you can't not be miserable without being a billionaire (which you are not and never will be anyway) that is no one elses problem.
Good to know I can always fall back on getting a six-figure salary as a university professor if I ever get tired of all this competitive blue-collar work I’m doing. Nice to have a plan B.
The conservative message: if you're barely getting by on your income, don't be mad at the people who make 10000x what you make, be mad at those who make even less! Sick and twisted.
You don’t have to be mad at anyone. You focus on better yourself. College isn’t the only choice for social mobility. Learn a trade or two but if you have to hate don’t hate the player, hate the game.
@@rodolfo7441Wow, that's a load of nothing. If you can show you EVER said the "don't be mad at anyone" nonsense to someone who's argued that we should force the poor to do minimum wage labor, I'll eat a turd. And yes, I hate the "game". I want to change the rules so they're more fair. I also hate the people who wanna keep enforcing the current unfair rules, rules that none of us ever agreed t but are forced upon us nonetheless, rules set by a small minority who just so happen to be favored heavily by these rules.
@@NecRockdoes the mass illegal immigration concern you at all? From one person to another I am honestly curious what your view is on this. Peace and love friend
@@-Believeinyourself-It concerns me that there are so many people who feel the need to uproot their entire lives in exchange for a very uncertain future, though I guess that's more the cause of the mass migration that concerns me than the mass migration itself.
@@NecRock that makes sense and I agree. I am also just as concerned about the values and love these people would have for our country. If they have different core values and less respect for our nation and it’s people I think in the long run this will be detrimental to the culture of our people. I think if you want to move to a country, regardless of which one, there must be a natural inclination to want to respect and learn about that culture and integrate with its people. It reminds me of the JFK quote. Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for it. Does that make sense?
The fact they think $800 a week is actually spoiling someone is a joke. A family can't survive off that. I make around $1000 a week and me and my wife with no kids just make it by. And those stimulus checks wouldn't even be enough to cover one of these assholes mortgage payments. But their ppp loans, now that's a FAT government paycheck. Now they can get behind and approve something like that.
@@jewsco Dr. Phil has a PHD in Psychology, which allows him to talk about the subject. It also allows him to almost be like an actually Psychologist because he knows a lot about how to diagnose a mental disability. I will agree with you on the fact that his actual license did expire, because he let it expire. That is not the same thing as being forced to give up his license at all.
Funny how Mr.Phill never mentioned employers asking the question “what was the reason for this gap in your employment?”. If you’re off work long enough some places just won’t hire you.
$12,000 a year is too much money? Cool make that the maximum wage, remove the excess wealth and assets of billionaires and give them food stamps for their understanding.
I'm one of those bottom 20% . I've worked two full time jobs and still couldn't afford rent. Literally everyone I know works even harder than I do and they would be DEAD, starved to death, or forced into crime, without SNAP. Some people outside of my family already steal food to survive. Meanwhile, Dr. Phil and Joe Rogan are sitting on their asses 4 hours a day and eating Smoked Moose Steak with Caviar for dinner as they play with their stock portfolios and profit off the labor of others. If we were living in a meritocracy. Me and my family would be dining with silver spoons, and they would be eating out of the garbage bins.
I’m 20 and work 2 jobs and have people constantly telling me no one in my gen wants to work. And I genuinely say I don’t blame them. I don’t wanna work. It sucks to work so hard for nothing and no promised future
There is a future. You just have to look at how to cut your costs and use the internet to your advantage. There are people making hundreds of thousands from simple short-form videos. Perhaps get a higher education, get a job that pays way more and live comfortably. Like with many doctors. There are definitely options.
I'm 70 I'm sorry but you don't even know in 1973 when I got out of high school they were jobs that you could go to and move up they've all been for offshore because of the green of the corporations
Thanks to everyone who commented here. You have all expressed what I thought but better than I could have written it. Good to know there are still people who understand the problems in society.
The reality is there's no such thing as middle class. You are either owner class or worker class and the rich owner class does not want you in their club. And they do not want you to examine how they are pillaging America for their own personal gains. So blame everything on the poor and get every worker divided.
Dr Phil thinks me the single dad making 45k a year getting 45 dollars a month in food stamps for help....its disgusting the gap between the rich and poor...
Fun Fact: Dr. Phil joined his dad's private psych practice which later partnered with a company that did bogus self-help seminars. Phil sold his share in '91 for $325K (~$750K in '24) to start a trial consulting firm used by Oprah, after which she recurringly had him on her show and effectively gave him his own show. He worked SO hard!
So tired of unempathic boomers believing ppl should work because they're coerced to. Does that sound like a good society, where ppl perform labor because they're blackmailed by the system to do so?!
As a mild correction: Joe Rogan is Gen X. So am I, but I’m eleven years younger than him (and I certainly don’t think like him!). Your point still stands.
As someone who actually extensively studies workforce issues and disability as a career, Dr. Phil has zero clue as to what he’s talking about and it’s terrifying how many people will listen to this and decide he’s right.
I'm sure Joe feels qualified to determine how many bathroom breaks someone should get, based on his extensive knowledge of ...WTF has he done? Pro-wrestling, then he had a show on TV where he would get people to humiliate and harm themselves for cash, then his podcast made him rich because he was willing to feature disinformation and lies about the pandemic during a pandemic since there aren't any regulations on podcasts, or they aren't enforced.
0:40 Right, because there is no competition in academia. You get a PhD on demand for free if you want one, then you just pick the school where you want a tenured professorship, and you're done!
Getting older and hearing folks like this is a huge reason I don't really trust people who believe "tough love" is inherently a good thing. And folks who think we should pretty much make policies based on "tough love", makes it even worse to believe them if they claim they truly care about the well being and freedom of others.
Thank you so much sam! I am on disability and have to live on $1,030 a month and I catch shit like this from these assholes all the time! I am a Penn grad that lost his brakes. I thought this Phil guy was a real academic.
When all you talk about is equality of outcome and ignore equality of opportunity you know you are dishonest. All these guys worry about is getting taxed on their riches. Like a lot of rich people, the more they have the more they do to keep it. Notice how they dont question why a university education costs 200k in the first place.
When he was talking about people selling their car and "getting used to" having a lower income did he really just shit on people for changing their expenditures to fit within their means? So you are lazy if you adjust your living standard when your income decreases. What should you do? Use debt to maintain the standard so you don't get "used" to being poorer?
People "didn't go back to work" is that they didn't go back to their old piss poor paying jobs. They took the time to go back to school to get a better paying job or started up their business such as - Twitch streams or other content creators, using their hobby as a business, learned a new skill to start a new business. Maybe they are making the same money they did before but are much happier because they are now doing something more enjoyable. Workers understand their worth now and are tired of being treated like an "expense" and not an "asset" to their employers.
Dr. Phil is so good at his job that the “cash me outside” girl made a million dollars in one day on only fans from the fame his show gave her. Really building strong, independent adults there, Doctor.
It's sad that they cry about the incentives to stay unemployed are mostly due to health care costs, housing, and not needing childcare. If you work and make a little money they take away all help, which makes it impossible. If we had universal healthcare and child care, which cost more than what a low wage worker earns, means their survival is more important than trying to be employed.
I literally *didn’t* go into academia because it didn’t want to compete. Compete with other post grads, compete with other researchers, compete for funding. You don’t have to compete working for a company you just show up and do your job and get paid. Academia is so much less guaranteed.
The money workers received during the pandemic was not a gift or welfare. It was COMPENSATION FOR LOSSES suffered as a result of government-ordered shutdowns that FORCIBLY left them unemployed. Rich people also received compensation ($366 billion) as did businesses. The purpose of the shut down was to save lives---including those of rich people. The supply chain woes were created by greedy, foolish corporations that offshored critical production to China and other remote countries, leaving the US helplessly dependent on the ability of other countries to keep factories and shipping facilities operating.
This just supports my theory that rich people in fact don't know how the economy works. Perhaps they gaslight themselves so hard, or obscure it so hard, that they forget that the only thing that makes the world go round (currently) is people spending money and physical labour producing stuff. During lockdown, if people hadn't spent money the air would've gone out of the balloon.
These idiots have no clue how incredibly competitive and challenging it is to get a job as a professor, and how hard-working and competent most professors are.
I worked for a couple of big-time professors in a college-rich area and if he doesn't think they're competitive? wow, he really is clueless about academia.
Rogan, the concept behind UBI is that if you give people food and shelter, they will have food and shelter. Not that they’ll “pursue their dreams” or whatever.
Supply-chain problems were also partially caused by things like "just in time" manufacturing and companies running lean on repair parts, because they were used to being able to get things with little lag time; so, when problems did arise, they had more extreme, longer-lasting, and farther-reaching consequences in the global economy.
What really frustrates me about this conversation between these two idiots is that there are tons of people eating this stuff up without thinking about it critically.
The 2nd thing that pisses me off is "they paid them more money than they made working." First of all, no they didn't. Second of all, if they did, perhaps one should consider what that says about the capitalist system, hmmm?
Correction; lefties don't read more, people who read more tend to shift towards the left. Knowledge is power friends!
Hell, I would go as far to say that the more you read, and reflect about our material relations, the more radicalized to the left you'll become.
@@wellersonoliveira5334 BINGO!
Well you're definitely reading the wrong books then........... It worked the other way around for me. 😂
Similar to my comment.
Once you gain critical thinking skills less likely right-wing leaders can mislead you.
@cfrey1988 isn't really the reading of books it's the ability to process the information. Plus learning how to detect fallacies allows you to ask the right type questions and not just take someone's word for it.
Makes me laugh when 2 rich guys who don’t have real jobs criticizing people who actually have real jobs.
From fire factor
But but but Joe's dad was a construction worker in the 1980s so he knows all about having a real job.
Exactly!!
Millionaires and billionaires need to be required to work at least 40 hours in a job that pays between minimum wage and 12$/hr.
It’s called divide and conquer-the Plebs don’t want to get organised -they’d rather worship at the feet of the rich and powerful-many who’ve never had to do an honest days work in their lives
Rich people literally think they deserve free labor
Dr. Phil owes everything to Oprah. He makes $95 million/year.
We all owe everything to Opra. Your account is overdue.@@hagnuj1070
Also known as slavery...
Not exactly they still need poor people to spend money on products.
Yes indeed, and they are hoping to literally bring back slavery.
Thanks Oprah, you have truly unleashed many of the worst people possible into the Modern American Zeitgeist.
Oprah is a scumbag in her own rite…
1,000,000%
She even planted the seed that Trump could be president. All that positivity manifest BS.
The sick thing is listening to poor people thinking that these two are correct. The self hatred that capitalism breeds in the poor is the bigger problem with the system.
I work in the IT dept at a liberal arts college and half the profs here are conservatives. I did a screen share with a guy a few weeks ago and his email inbox was loaded with "Eric Trump is Coming to Michigan!" spam LOL there was so much of it, very very corny.
I have a relative who is an incredibly talented graphic designer who has worked his ass off delivering top quality work to brands who have made millions off his designs while he wallows just above the poverty line, and he still believes “poor people” are just lazy.
Even more so since those people *think* they're middle class but are actually living paycheck to paycheck
@@danielwilliams8183😂😂😂 Yupp.
I have a right wing uncle whose ENTIRE education was paid for by a rich benefactor. The dude's been receiving handouts his entire adult life and yet still believes poor people are only poor because they don't work hard enough.
😂😂😂
When I point out that he himself was wallowing in poverty before he got a ton of money that he DID NOT WORK FOR, which gave him the biggest get-out-of-jail-free-card ever, he just gets angry and points out that, unlike many people, "he took advantage of the opportunities given to him."
Conservative ethics, when you deconstruct it with any rigor, is simply the intellectual justification for selfishness. End of story.
The rest is irrelevant.
These guys are bad for society because they reinforce the whole misconception that if you work hard enough you'll end up millionaires like them! When what they really mean is: listen to their podcasts, buy their products, buy their books, spend your money and time on THEM in the false hope that YOU can become like them!
It's pretty disturbing when a "psychologist" has no concept of why so many people turn to crime, alcoholism, drug addiction; suffer from mental health diseases , suicide, depression, as they're being oppressed and exploited by the billionaire class.
Psychology doesn't understand money or rules I know this as fact but I'm a problem they can't solve but I'm a human we are all different I'm not a real man .... because I'm not making money obviously.
He’s not a real psychologist because of how he talks about working class people and pretends to not understand how difficult their lives are
@@oliverwilson5957 Whether he's a "real" psychologist is neither here nor there. The issue is whether he's a decent human being, and no degree will produce a decent human being where there was none before.
I personally knew one of his guests: a woman who had gotten pregnant through date rape, had been drugged, and he did the "You weren't a good enough victim so I think you are lying" crap.
The RAPIST got custody of her child because they didn't believe a person who was drugged and raped could possibly not realize what happened to her in five minutes.
He "both-sides" her viciously and ignored it when she started to literally dissociate on stage. He blamed her for the whole thing. I never looked at Dr Phil the same again.
he hasn't been licensed in 20 years, it's ok to say he's not a doctor because he simply isn't
There's more liberal professors because we tend to be less conservative the higher our education is.
And less religious.
And entirely non-competitive, right? Famously, academics are not competitive. 😂
Absolutely correct!
There's another way of looking at what you just said which is far less flattering.
@@johngammon963elaborate
@jayjason7570
Through the power of dishonesty, you can frame anything any sort of way
Dr. Phil married into one of the richest families in Texas, the King Ranch family. He hasn't competed for anything either.
The Lovely Robin's an heiress?
And was given a break by Oprah if he hadn’t gotten that break, nobody would know his name.
@@princequestly2218 Many people have breakthroughs in their lives. Marianne Williamson had hers on Oprah as well and many others.
Which marriage? I think he's had three of them?
The audacity Phil😮😮😮😮
Shame on Dr Phil for gaslighting poor people who are slaves to rich people.
Amongst other things, we know rich people resent paying taxes.
He likes it that way because he's an ultra rich POS.
Yuio
Worst part is, he absolutely knows what he's doing. He benefits when we the working masses are divided.
The longer we argue about if millionaires and billionaires should exist means they get to continue to exist while we "debate".
Dr. Phil didn't gaslight anyone. All he did was fart in a room and convinced nobody that it was a hurricane. You have to be dumb to be gaslit by this guy.
Rich people built this country. You little people do nothing except take from us.
George Carlin had a whole routine in the ‘80’s about this concept: “ the poor are just there to scare the sh*t out of the middle class!”
His special in the 90s about how rich people don't give a fuck about the rest of us is even better.
@@LinkRocksThanks, I’ll have to look for that one!
& the homeless are ignored to scare the people living paycheck to paycheck
@@Low-Fi-SCOTT So true... and I say that as someone who's 'been there; done that!' 🤔
'What happened to Barry?'
My favourite line of this whole segment.
"The Lower Class is just there to scare the sh*t outta the Middle Class."
~George Carlin
To ''keep them showing up at those ''JOBS''.
It's wild that Joe Rogan looks up to people like Lenny Bruce or George Carlin....who would absolutely hate him now.
He’s just pissed that those guys were liberal and could say anything😆
Absolutely they shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence
That is so true! I never thought about that!
Man, it's incredible how much worse Rogan gets every day
I literally don’t even hear anyone defend him anymore when his name is brought up, even the people who still watch him know he’s lost. Calling himself an Ape and the apes roll their eyes
Yes as he gains more dollars he loses more of his senses !
Agreed.
really? I thought he generally finished getting worse about two years into the panda event.
@@Nick-cs4ocKyle and Breaking Points still defend him. You won't hear a peep about this from them
As someone already commented, Rogan tried to be so "open minded" his brain fell out.
😂😂
To be fair, it would fit through a pinhole.
He never had one in the first place though
Because Joe Rogan's wealth depends on his being willfully ignorant.
He would have learned some of that from his billionaire brother.
@@FrozEnbyWolf150I'm dying 😂
Hi, I'm a disable Vet with chronic pain and various other issues here. Every year since the pandemic, my rent alone has gone up $100. None of the jobs i worked could match the rate of living expenses.
Now, luckily and fortunately for me, i receive support. I know full and well if i hadn't, i couldn't afford the cost of living. These two bald guys are clueless! No one should take a fake doctor and an MMA bro seriously in these matters
This makes me so angry. They have no idea how hard we bust our asses just to get by.
They know. They just don't care.
Look through history what ends up happening be smart ass Republican Elites get greedy take away opportunity until people are desperate then they throw in the castle and cut their heads off when I got out of high school in 1973 they were plenty of jobs decent jobs his greedy as a corporations were they were still loyal to America but then it changed and they squeezed out every penny of profit agreed of the bridge through history has been there downfall
Like supremacists, they are selfish entitles idiots who think for some reason that life owes them more whilst others deserve less
When will people figure out that Millionaires like Rogan & Dr Phil don't have The working-class best interests at heart?
And also, they're dumb
Rogan is just discovering 2015. It’s beyond embarrassing.
They're like officers who weren't enlisted first.
I mean they still think trump is a blue collar worker so never
Never- they adore and love rich and famous people
Both Joe Rogan and Dr. Phil are menace to society.
It’s amazing that they never once bring up how stagnant wages are. Rich ppl are scumbags.
I keep reading and hearing about rising wages keeping inflation up. I don't know anyone whose making more at all, unless they work longer but the per hour is the same.
@@kurtsnyder4752 they constantly say if you raise wages the costs of everything else will go up. So what are we supposed to do? It’s like you’re admitting we’re being held hostage. Are we just supposed to watch the cost of living outpace the wages at the rate it is? Profits are way up so why aren’t wages? We’re wage slaves at this point.
Okay champagne socialist
@@jt_rooster3228 As if being a socialist is a bad thing in itself. It depends on the type of socialism, but I don't know if nuance is your cup of tea if that's your argument.
@@mism847 you can easily look up the definition of champagne socialist. It's not rocket science.
At one point, my brother told me that the reason why he didn't want to see the minimum wage increased was because "I like the idea of making twice as much as someone else." Well, if you don't realize that the real enemy is someone who gets more in a day than you do in a year rather than someone who makes a little less than you do, you're doing it wrong.
Tell your brother I said he’s an idiot
😂 “this isn’t a Dr. this is a grifter” truest thing ever…
At this point, Joe Rogan is just gonna be Rush Limbaugh with CTE.
Exactly
😂 Funny and sad...and true.
Another reason ppl might not want to go back to work is the lack of appreciation and the lack of reasonable wages.
To Dr. Phil $1000 is like one dollar. To people who make $20,000 a year, $1000 is an effing fortune! Defund, Dr. Phil!!!
Paying him to shut up would actually be a decent investment in improving society.
Then that person needs to find a better paying job or learn a trade to boost it.
@@rodolfo7441 and for those not capable of that as an option? Let me guess, not my problem?
@@kevinpolson1958 You help them then. I guess is your business.
@@rodolfo7441 or…. As a society, we can help those who aren’t able to help themselves in the same way that you and I are. Way better than being hyper selfish
This episode should be titled "Two Fools Walk Into A Bar."
And said, "Ow, my head!"
@@FrozEnbyWolf150 Yep! 'Cause it was an iron bar! 😉
I’ve experienced that majority of rich are sociopaths, completely unaware of suffering that they cause. It seems like that they have a prerogative to exploit people in need. Total disregard for folks that are stuck because of their greed.
And that's what capitalism rewards. Our very system is perverse by design.
To be rich and successful means to look at a grandmother who missed one mortgage payment and tell her, "The house that you've called 'home' for the past 30 years is up for foreclosure."
To be rich and successful means to make the price of insulin 300% more than what it costs to produce it, even if it means people dying.
The cost of material wealth is empathy.
@@gershomkoinei8256 "The cost of material wealth is empathy."
I'm using this for now on.
Sociopaths aren't aware of the suffering they cause, they just don't care. Their only goal in life is to accumulate wealth and power.
Its literally in the name capitalize 😂. It creates winners and aloot of losers ( most of us)@@ToxicAudri
Nah, they made me hate millionaires more than I already did.
Facts
being lectured by a millionaire who literally does nothing but gossip for a living. has he ever have to do any physical labor?!
They did sports in their youths.
The sad part is most people listening to them believe themselves to be temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
I’m one of them 😂
The fact that Rogan has so many listeners makes me very concerned.
A " meritocracy " ? Like either of these two really merit making hundreds of millions a year. Unreal how in their own world they really are.
These 2 won the lottery. God bless them. But their ideas didn't win a meritocracy contest.
@@larryforbes6718 Exactly, a lot of luck involved too.
@@larryforbes6718Dr. Phil won Oprah
People have freely chosen to listen to Joe Rogan in higher numbers than others so yes he does merit more money. About as meritocratic as it gets
@@xxHonkxx Yeah, most people are stupid, so....
My brother has had a disability his entire life and is unable to work. He makes $900 a month on SSI and $64 in SNAP. He just lost his housing. You're telling me he makes too much money? GFY
republicans live in an world of alternate facts. its astoniiiiiiiiiiishing. i explained this recently to an couple life long friends who vote republican. and like trump somehow. i went through heropin addiction some years back..2014-2018...when i got sober and changed my life i needed assistance at first. i believe they gave me 235 dollars welfare assistance and 190 food stamps. i live in california, the most liberal state. they aLSO REQUIRED PROOF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR AN JOB. this is one of the biggest lies the right sells. that miiiiiiillllions of people sit at home all day living off the government. even single mothers who get welfare are given the equivalent of someone who lmakes well below minimum wage. to say these people are getting to much is ridiculous. they dont work as much because they are either teenagers with side jobs or parents. to act like there are millllions of 30 year old men working 20 hours an week and having their lives subsidized by the government is just an flat out lie,
same here i am german and i have mental disabilitys that make it near impossible for me to work i make only 300 euro a month and the only reason i get by is because my mother was so kind to let me live with her even though i am already an adoult i think universal basic income would be a great thing for poor people that and much more ☺
They are creating a cohort who will be interested in euthanizing anyone who can't be productive or used in some way to generate money. I know that sounds harsh, but the selfishness being promoted now is more like psychopathy I think.
This is a classic example of a rich man taking 9 out of 10 doughnuts and telling a middle class person that the lower class person are coming for your doughnut
He has no idea how competitive Masters and Phd programs are. PHD candidates put in over 60 hours a week of gathering research, then have to endure an arduous approval process for a degree that immediately puts you in debt. What other job is there that you have to pay to get?
As an engineer, I left academia for the private sector BECAUSE academia is so, so much more competitive. It's pretty much impossible to get a tenured position at a decent university unless you have a 4.0, score high on GRE and hopefully get your name on some research papers so you can get into a top school for your doctorate, work your ass off making very little pay for several years and hope to get a decent post doc, then work your ass off for a few more years for very little pay and then MAYBE you can compete for a small number of adjunct or associate professor positions which MIGHT later turn into a tenure and even THEN you still probably won't even break into the six figures.
Life is so much easier in the private sector.
@@dckuhaits because academia is over saturated. How many PhD students are going through a particular program to become a professor? Compare that to openings, and a lot of the current profs arent going anywhere. Schools still make money, but what do you get as the student? This can be said for the education system as a whole, so many going to school paying $$$$ for degrees they will most likely never use.
@@darex0827you mentioned in another comment you went to uni for engineering after leaving the military. I very much doubt this to be true. You seem like a person who didn’t go to uni who has a chip on his shoulder towards people who did.
When Phil said that aloud, my jaw dropped. He doesn’t know what the flying fuck he’s talking about. I got secondhand embarrassment watching him talk, thank god his hideous mustache embroiled me with enough disgust to serve as a distraction.
Facts. Everyone I know who initially wanted to get into academia left as soon as they found out how insanely COMPETITIVE it is. These people are so ignorant it's embarrassing.
You've explained exactly how the economy in the south works, the "you should be happy you even have a job" mentality is rife down there
Exactly and don't mouth off boy good example how the rich in their greed lose all compassion for the humans
Princeton postdoc here. Despite our PhDs, most of us are in our 30s making less than 65k a year and staying on for over 4 years to build up our resumes because academia is so crazy competitive. The “easy way out” is to go to private industry where pay is better and competition is lower. These idiots don’t have a clue what they’re talking about.
During the pandemic, my boss fired me for contracting Covid, then he told the unemployment office that I voluntarily quit my job so that I couldn't collect unemployment because he assumed I was pretending to be sick, even though for 2 years prior I hadn't missed a single day of work. A week later he had to close down the restaurant because Covid spread through the other employees.
Wow, what a scumbag.
So many rich people are complete sociopaths. I'm sorry you had to go through that.
At least the DB lost his restaurant in the end 😂😂.
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270 That restaurant was nasty and should have been shut down by the health inspector several times while I worked there, but in my town, restaurant owners are known for bribing health inspectors.
I also ran into that douchebag recently while I was out making deliveries with my new job. When he saw me, he started bad mouthing me to the manager of the restaurant I was delivering to. He's lucky I was on the clock.
The level of stupidity, ignorance and bad faith displayed by those two is simply amazing.
Yet they are admired, quoted and relied upon as authorities. Dsnt look optimistic.
Can't believe nobody mentioned the casual sexism of Phil's "lazy girl job"
Yes, I thought that took.
Not sure if he's thinking like OF cam girls on welfare - or what I have seen this in person at my IT software company. While the nerds (mostly men) come into the lab to set up test equipment and build customer systems from complex deployment guides ... sometimes flying out to customer sites to fix issues ... many women in the office took "Cost Adjustment Manager" jobs where they almost never have to come in - and wind up taking off at 3pm every day to take care of the "kiddos" earning a comfortable mid-$100K salary (nobody dares question their contribution). Meanwhile, the nerds in the lab are working 10+ hours a day - barely breaking six figures (this is in a market where the average price of a home is $600K).
Yes, let’s cancel Dr. Phil.
No body mentioned his Lazy wife riding his coat tails and hawking her crap on his show 😂
@@wuffy68 definitely factual if wuffy says it from his one job experience. God forbid the manly nerds take a break from work to raise their kids instead of leaving it to the lazy, incapable women.
My brother thinks like this. He is well off, I am not. When I talk about universal healthcare , etc he says “we can’t have that, who would serve him on vacation.”
I get tears in my eyes and want to sing the Star Spangled Banner!! There is nothing more American then listening to a couple of millionaires complain about poor people........... They must still have PTSD from the understaffed restaurants post covid.
The more the super rich squeeze on the less fortunate the more we're heading for a French Revolution moment it's happened many times in history the super rich get greedy
Look at what happened to Dr Phil when he tried competing in the real world. Dude was censured for having an inappropriate relationship with a patient.
Whoa really? That's messed up.
It’s funny i saw screenshots of this interaction over the past few days but i didnt think the conversation could have been remotely this disgusting. Tax the rich, billionaires shouldn’t exist, left is best
Ahhh, yes. Everyone must be miserable.
It gets worse than this tbh. It's a fun hate listen
@@reedtheroom9580 interesting thought, not sure i could manage. Maybe at Matts trademark 16x speed lol
@@TwistedwithPower If you can't not be miserable without being a billionaire (which you are not and never will be anyway) that is no one elses problem.
@@TwistedwithPowerno dimwit no one person should ever have that much money and power .
Good to know I can always fall back on getting a six-figure salary as a university professor if I ever get tired of all this competitive blue-collar work I’m doing. Nice to have a plan B.
The conservative message: if you're barely getting by on your income, don't be mad at the people who make 10000x what you make, be mad at those who make even less! Sick and twisted.
You don’t have to be mad at anyone. You focus on better yourself. College isn’t the only choice for social mobility. Learn a trade or two but if you have to hate don’t hate the player, hate the game.
@@rodolfo7441Wow, that's a load of nothing. If you can show you EVER said the "don't be mad at anyone" nonsense to someone who's argued that we should force the poor to do minimum wage labor, I'll eat a turd.
And yes, I hate the "game". I want to change the rules so they're more fair. I also hate the people who wanna keep enforcing the current unfair rules, rules that none of us ever agreed t but are forced upon us nonetheless, rules set by a small minority who just so happen to be favored heavily by these rules.
@@NecRockdoes the mass illegal immigration concern you at all? From one person to another I am honestly curious what your view is on this. Peace and love friend
@@-Believeinyourself-It concerns me that there are so many people who feel the need to uproot their entire lives in exchange for a very uncertain future, though I guess that's more the cause of the mass migration that concerns me than the mass migration itself.
@@NecRock that makes sense and I agree. I am also just as concerned about the values and love these people would have for our country. If they have different core values and less respect for our nation and it’s people I think in the long run this will be detrimental to the culture of our people. I think if you want to move to a country, regardless of which one, there must be a natural inclination to want to respect and learn about that culture and integrate with its people. It reminds me of the JFK quote. Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for it. Does that make sense?
The fact they think $800 a week is actually spoiling someone is a joke. A family can't survive off that. I make around $1000 a week and me and my wife with no kids just make it by. And those stimulus checks wouldn't even be enough to cover one of these assholes mortgage payments. But their ppp loans, now that's a FAT government paycheck. Now they can get behind and approve something like that.
imagine having a mortgage and still complaining
This “Dr Phil” was forced to give up his license years ago because of his questionable way he ran his business
Dr. Phil actually still has a license. Hence he knows more about Psychology than you do.
@@johnantal2014 he actually doesn’t and hasn’t for years but nice try
"Dr. Phil actually still has a license." Care to provide a source for your claim?@@johnantal2014
@@jewsco Dr. Phil has a PHD in Psychology, which allows him to talk about the subject. It also allows him to almost be like an actually Psychologist because he knows a lot about how to diagnose a mental disability. I will agree with you on the fact that his actual license did expire, because he let it expire. That is not the same thing as being forced to give up his license at all.
@@johnantal2014 and no license as he had to give it up but keep making yourself look dumb
"You poor people have enough money, just shrink your lvies"
Every argument they said is a great argument for taxing the big corp and the rich.
well honestly dr phil is going to hell if there is one, he made his money not helping mentally ill people but publicly humiliating them.
Poor man wanna be rich
Rich man wanna be king
And a king ain't satisfied
'Til he rules everything
The bottom 20% and the middle 20% are so close together because the top 1% is as far away from us as the earth is to the sun.
This is an underrated comment!
Funny how Mr.Phill never mentioned employers asking the question “what was the reason for this gap in your employment?”. If you’re off work long enough some places just won’t hire you.
educated people lean left because they are informed and educated. increase 10 fold for persons in higher ed
Dr Phil loves him some anecdotal evidence
He went to the school of hard knocks and majored in anecdotal studies.
or as Dave Rubin would call it 'antecdotal' evidence
Remember when Phil was on rogan saying the cartels were going to spike candy on Halloween with absolutely zero evidence!👹👺
Also feelings based statistics based on no real data
This is the kind of guy who invented the term "anecdotal evidence", to cover up the fact that anecdotes ain't evidence.
$12,000 a year is too much money? Cool make that the maximum wage, remove the excess wealth and assets of billionaires and give them food stamps for their understanding.
I'm one of those bottom 20% . I've worked two full time jobs and still couldn't afford rent. Literally everyone I know works even harder than I do and they would be DEAD, starved to death, or forced into crime, without SNAP. Some people outside of my family already steal food to survive.
Meanwhile, Dr. Phil and Joe Rogan are sitting on their asses 4 hours a day and eating Smoked Moose Steak with Caviar for dinner as they play with their stock portfolios and profit off the labor of others.
If we were living in a meritocracy. Me and my family would be dining with silver spoons, and they would be eating out of the garbage bins.
Wow "Dr" Phil thinks being a university professor isn't a competitive business! He apparently hasn't participated in peer reviewed research.
Now how would that idiot know about any of that. 🤣
I’m 20 and work 2 jobs and have people constantly telling me no one in my gen wants to work. And I genuinely say I don’t blame them. I don’t wanna work. It sucks to work so hard for nothing and no promised future
There is a future. You just have to look at how to cut your costs and use the internet to your advantage. There are people making hundreds of thousands from simple short-form videos. Perhaps get a higher education, get a job that pays way more and live comfortably. Like with many doctors. There are definitely options.
I'm 70 I'm sorry but you don't even know in 1973 when I got out of high school they were jobs that you could go to and move up they've all been for offshore because of the green of the corporations
Thanks to everyone who commented here. You have all expressed what I thought but better than I could have written it. Good to know there are still people who understand the problems in society.
"You paid people more money not to work than to work."
Well, Mr. McGraw, maybe the problem is that people weren't paid enough in the first place.
The reality is there's no such thing as middle class. You are either owner class or worker class and the rich owner class does not want you in their club. And they do not want you to examine how they are pillaging America for their own personal gains. So blame everything on the poor and get every worker divided.
Dr Phil thinks me the single dad making 45k a year getting 45 dollars a month in food stamps for help....its disgusting the gap between the rich and poor...
You mean if someone gets UBI they won’t want to work for $2.13 an hour as a waitress?
Real world is high school. Nothing changed. Same backstabbing same petty cliques.
“Dr” Phil ever coming near Sam is a pipe dream! Sam would crush him! This was a battle of the crazy eyes!
2 rich guys acting like they know what it's like to work a job and not know where your next paycheck is coming from
Fun Fact: Dr. Phil joined his dad's private psych practice which later partnered with a company that did bogus self-help seminars. Phil sold his share in '91 for $325K (~$750K in '24) to start a trial consulting firm used by Oprah, after which she recurringly had him on her show and effectively gave him his own show. He worked SO hard!
So tired of unempathic boomers believing ppl should work because they're coerced to. Does that sound like a good society, where ppl perform labor because they're blackmailed by the system to do so?!
As a mild correction: Joe Rogan is Gen X. So am I, but I’m eleven years younger than him (and I certainly don’t think like him!). Your point still stands.
As someone who actually extensively studies workforce issues and disability as a career, Dr. Phil has zero clue as to what he’s talking about and it’s terrifying how many people will listen to this and decide he’s right.
Theres no middle class, they're called upper poors
I don’t know if Joe Rogan’s ever had a minimum-wage job where your boss sees you as a machine that doesn't need bathroom breaks.
You know money doesn't take away people's scumbag Factor him and Dr Phil couldn't scrub their ugliness off with a trillion dollars
I'm sure Joe feels qualified to determine how many bathroom breaks someone should get, based on his extensive knowledge of ...WTF has he done? Pro-wrestling, then he had a show on TV where he would get people to humiliate and harm themselves for cash, then his podcast made him rich because he was willing to feature disinformation and lies about the pandemic during a pandemic since there aren't any regulations on podcasts, or they aren't enforced.
0:40 Right, because there is no competition in academia. You get a PhD on demand for free if you want one, then you just pick the school where you want a tenured professorship, and you're done!
Getting older and hearing folks like this is a huge reason I don't really trust people who believe "tough love" is inherently a good thing. And folks who think we should pretty much make policies based on "tough love", makes it even worse to believe them if they claim they truly care about the well being and freedom of others.
I have never trusted tough love.
Rich guy says "no one wanted to work"... I remember working the whole time. Everyone I worked with the whole time...
“Dr” Phil’s head looks magneto’s helmet.
🤣
Thank you so much sam! I am on disability and have to live on $1,030 a month and I catch shit like this from these assholes all the time! I am a Penn grad that lost his brakes. I thought this Phil guy was a real academic.
When all you talk about is equality of outcome and ignore equality of opportunity you know you are dishonest. All these guys worry about is getting taxed on their riches. Like a lot of rich people, the more they have the more they do to keep it. Notice how they dont question why a university education costs 200k in the first place.
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When he was talking about people selling their car and "getting used to" having a lower income did he really just shit on people for changing their expenditures to fit within their means? So you are lazy if you adjust your living standard when your income decreases. What should you do? Use debt to maintain the standard so you don't get "used" to being poorer?
You didn't screw up, this was a great segment. There are a lot of uneducated people who need to hear this with your commentary. Good stuff.
People "didn't go back to work" is that they didn't go back to their old piss poor paying jobs. They took the time to go back to school to get a better paying job or started up their business such as - Twitch streams or other content creators, using their hobby as a business, learned a new skill to start a new business. Maybe they are making the same money they did before but are much happier because they are now doing something more enjoyable. Workers understand their worth now and are tired of being treated like an "expense" and not an "asset" to their employers.
It's amazing that their first thought is "make the poor poorer" and not "maybe those working full time should be making more."
"Income inequality isn't the problem, income equality is the problem" - Dr. Phil 2024
Dr. Phil is so good at his job that the “cash me outside” girl made a million dollars in one day on only fans from the fame his show gave her. Really building strong, independent adults there, Doctor.
True😂😂
It's sad that they cry about the incentives to stay unemployed are mostly due to health care costs, housing, and not needing childcare. If you work and make a little money they take away all help, which makes it impossible. If we had universal healthcare and child care, which cost more than what a low wage worker earns, means their survival is more important than trying to be employed.
Parkman did a good job with Dr Phil. I use the word doctor loosely.
His show is ending his further job
"Every person these two come in contact with is on their payroll" 😂 so sad.
I literally *didn’t* go into academia because it didn’t want to compete. Compete with other post grads, compete with other researchers, compete for funding. You don’t have to compete working for a company you just show up and do your job and get paid. Academia is so much less guaranteed.
The money workers received during the pandemic was not a gift or welfare. It was COMPENSATION FOR LOSSES suffered as a result of government-ordered shutdowns that FORCIBLY left them unemployed. Rich people also received compensation ($366 billion) as did businesses. The purpose of the shut down was to save lives---including those of rich people. The supply chain woes were created by greedy, foolish corporations that offshored critical production to China and other remote countries, leaving the US helplessly dependent on the ability of other countries to keep factories and shipping facilities operating.
This just supports my theory that rich people in fact don't know how the economy works. Perhaps they gaslight themselves so hard, or obscure it so hard, that they forget that the only thing that makes the world go round (currently) is people spending money and physical labour producing stuff. During lockdown, if people hadn't spent money the air would've gone out of the balloon.
By their logic, shouldn't both Dr. Phil and Joe be jobless and lazy with the money they have now?
These idiots have no clue how incredibly competitive and challenging it is to get a job as a professor, and how hard-working and competent most professors are.
I worked for a couple of big-time professors in a college-rich area and if he doesn't think they're competitive? wow, he really is clueless about academia.
Rogan, the concept behind UBI is that if you give people food and shelter, they will have food and shelter. Not that they’ll “pursue their dreams” or whatever.
Ha ha joe Rogan is a punk waste of time listening his bs
The fact he said 'the problem isn't income inequality, it's income E-quality' like what!?!!
Dr. Phil probably paid more for that stupid jacket than the bottom quintile makes in a year
Supply-chain problems were also partially caused by things like "just in time" manufacturing and companies running lean on repair parts, because they were used to being able to get things with little lag time; so, when problems did arise, they had more extreme, longer-lasting, and farther-reaching consequences in the global economy.
What really frustrates me about this conversation between these two idiots is that there are tons of people eating this stuff up without thinking about it critically.
The problem is no one wants to work in his warehouse for $7.25 shipping his snake oil.
They don’t want to compete? Bro being a professor is literally one of the most competitive jobs on the planet.
The 2nd thing that pisses me off is "they paid them more money than they made working." First of all, no they didn't. Second of all, if they did, perhaps one should consider what that says about the capitalist system, hmmm?