GeForce vs Quadro as Fast As Possible
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- čas přidán 4. 07. 2014
- I focused on GeForce vs Quadro for brevity, but pretty much everything in this video applies to Radeon versus FirePro graphics cards as well!
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with a little more practice he might defeat eminem
LOL... I was thinking the same thing.
ooooooooh
Omg am dying 😹xd
he looks like eminem
Not funny
NOAA: "Dude, Call of Duty looks frickin awesome on this 5 grand card we got for weather simulations."
OMG this deserves a like XD
Massimo O'Kissed Underrated
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration?
Jonathan Macbeth , Yep :)
We used to play StarTrek on multi-miilion dollar mainframes.
"they got more money than you or me"
linus you have more money than me. I'm cleaning restaurant fryers to get the money for a 400 dollar pc and you put like 4 titan x's in a rig
+Oscar Arenas Pretty sure he just borrows the cards from NCIX
nope
+Oscar Arenas Not even just for the videos?
+233kosta for the 4 titan X rig, it was a rendering rig. he still has it if I'm correct
+Oscar Arenas Ah, well if it's his own he'd buy them, yeh.
lol "well geez, I wish my character's head could be calculated to 15 decimal places"
+Nathan Weisser I wish this every game I play :)
+Nathan Weisser honestly, that would be nice lol
Boom Headshot
What about sniping in arma 3? I need about 18 decimal places.
IKR, this happens to me ALL THE TIME!
In other news, my $9000 a plate fundraiser failed.
I don't get why, the plates were made of unobtanium! It was a BARGAIN!
Quadro is a cool sounding name though.
Uh. Not really Oo
Quadro means painting in Italian.
The name in itself is worth the money. Who cares about the card if whenever someone asks you which card you have, you can now answer with "Quadro"?
In portuguese quadro means frame.
Jhact007
The name itself is so sexy that when you say it out loud you grow abs and sexy mustache and all the ladies will be at your feet.
Amiriteorwhat.
I worked in a super complex military optical company, and I tell ya, they bought like 100 Quadros for all of their engineers so they can calculate some super colplex agile of glass and mirrors inside a gigantic replica of Hubble Lens just for practice before they actually make a new one for a future space telescope for the USA ...
Just looking at the lens structure would make you tripping at the technology level of it!, looks like a gigantic micro hive of super accurate cutted lens (that shi't is actually semi hollow from the inside, full of tunnels and such that you can't see from the outside), the actual view of perfection in your eyes.
So I guess that in those type of things, you can't except less than 100% accuracity, therefore, Quadro is the best choice, even when its 10 times the price.
Well..There go your taxes..
And we never heard of this guy again :O
I am a CAD CAM designer I used SolidWorks, Keyshot, Fusion 360, PowerMill type software I have a choice between GTX 1050 4Gb in gaming Pavilion and Quadro m2000 4Gb in Zbook workstation. please recommend me I am really confuse between these two machines because I need performance
@@MegaFaisalpk well, you probably would be better off with the quadro because of the high amount of vram and the other features mentioned in the video. But if it is much more expensive just go for the 1050 it has a similar performance.
@@MegaFaisalpk Quadro 100%
Well jeez, if only the position of my character's head could have been calculated to 15 decimal places...
Or that of the enemy.. If it was calculated to 15 decimal places I would have gotten that headshot....
KurtJMac's probably saying that.
Wow a stolen comment
This quickie videos are great. I only stumbled upon them 2 weeks ago, even though I've been a technician for years. They come in handy for easy explanations.
so liking the honesty from the beginning
Turn on youtube CC and go to 1:10. So that's what Quadros are for...
Ej Ignacio i like large condoms
Ej Ignacio ok I admit it, I burst out laughing as soon as I saw it.
Ej Ignacio I use Trojan Magnum, anything else is just too damm small.
Ej Ignacio Omfg lmfao
Ej Ignacio So much useful information with one click thank you so much ^^
Quadro cards are 10-bit whereas the GTX are 8-bit. So for Color Correction Grade Monitors in Cinema, colorists use 10-bit RGB Monitors. so you get the 10-bit signal from the cards to the monitors.
Voodoo 5 VSA-100 is also a 8-bits, then I dont need to have a GTX !
As always, love your quick-paced, no nonsense presentation style!
This was 7 years ago, and that was 2015
Where'd all the time go?
9now
"It's the cat's pyjamas" gonna start using that one
Dog's Bollocks pal
And you can add bee's knees.
I see, yeah I came across these quadro cards and was wondering about them, thanks! Also, I lost it when you showed the bottled water fabric!
great reviews, fast paced video and great points!
the world needs more reviews like this! well done
You should call this series "A Quick F.A.P."
lol
lolz XD hehehehe
A.F.A.P.
LOL
Se yall again at 2064
Magic blue smoke?
Good thing I have blue LED fans in my case, makes it soo much faster, specially when it starts smoking.
1:31
This is why I love this channel...the production values
fuckin awesome!
3:29 that background looks beautiful
Hey Linus, I'd love to see a video on what kind of a difference a high end mobo would make. Motherboards always seem to be almost like an afterthought in my builds, is there something Im really missing by getting a $130 mobo vs a $200+ one?
as an aero/automotive engineer, I 3d model near daily, as do almost all of my coworkers. we use regular gaming nvidia cards (combined with pretty hard core processors, heaps of memory and decent ssd's), though we do use different drivers more optimized for openGL, since most of us don't do that much with directX. it saves the company quite a bit of money so we can upgrade the workstations more often.
rendering is still slow as balls if you want decent quality, but i only do it twice a year to generate shiny shareholder pictures. during rendering or simulation (FEM and CFD are even nastier on resources and i use them a whole lot more), i'll run my workstation at night, take it home during the weekend (allthough my electricity bill is not happy with that), bugger off to the workshop or coffee maker, or my absolute favorite; commandeer a second workstation and let that one do the hard work via remote access and/or mail notifications. you don't need 10x more expensive hardware to do decent work (not in my job anyway, might be different for the people at pixar e.d.), what you do need is decent hardware that you're allowed to pick yourself. tough CFD's and the likes should be run on blade farms or a linux box with a big AMD processor, fast memory and very good cooling
Fascinating
Techquickie hey guys. i always have knowledge on the videos i watch that you post, but its great that your videos help clear up confusion or misinformation that I may have!
Finaly a normal, understandable explanation of differences between the two! Thx!
This video has been a great help in understanding the basic difference of two types of GPUs. But this is 5 years old and many things have changed. I mean new versions of quadro gpu are available and also Threadripper has made a great impact since then. Can you make a revised version this video
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For a future Fast as Possible, maybe a video all about RAM/Memory? Like what the speeds mean specifically?
They already did one I believe.
/watch?v=dWgzA2C61z4 On his main channel, but still relevant.
Seriously? Look at the older videos...
ALREADY DONE.
***** Ah, thank you. I think I had tried looking there before but I only started watching Linus' videos moderately recently and with the amount of content he puts out I may have just given up before I got to it.
RoximRox That's okay :) you can watch them all in just a few weeks! I've done it ^^
My dad a gamer. Bought a quadro card back in 2010’s for his video business but justified it that it could also play videogames
Changing the speed to 0.5 Makes linus sound like He's drunk AND STONED! XD
Thanks bro! I set it to .75 and now finally I can understand what he says, as I´m brazilian.
this made my day thanks you! lol
Hilarious 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Techdrunkie
Is nvidia Tesla too the same thing. Also make a video about random IOPS and similar terms used in ssd and hdd spec sheet
A Tesla is more for computations rather than physics or 3D rendering but it can be used for both of those as well, earlier models didn't even have any kind of display output iirc.
Thanks.....
Tesla cards are purely for scientific computation. They don't even have display outputs.
also I don't know about now, but originally I think Tesla wasn't a line of cards, but a peripheral cabinets that did calculations. (correct me if I'm wrong)
Thomas Alex They're good for things where you just need math, and not a video or anything like that.
But Linus! Surely a Red Rocket-X is great for gaming! It's $8k!
Srs tho. deadmau5 has a Quadro 5000 and has nothing but problems running games on it when he streams from his studio. So yeah...
I mean come on! Best setup for gaming evar!
instagram.com/p/qFb4XfOx6X/
werethless12LP video cards priced above the titan z and black are OBVIOUSLY not meant for gaming. They are programmed or BUILT differently. They are obviously made for professional video content creation. Just because a video card can help CREATE a pc game DOESN'T mean it's MEANT to be played on that game.
Raymond Tyson Did you even read the second half of my comment?
Professional GPUs can play games, but they suck at doing so. Although, I doubt a Red GPU would be able to run any game..
That quadro gets less fps than my 780.
Why? Because drivers.
***** Yeah, iirc, certain 690s could be ran as a Quadro 4000..
i would just like to say that lynda is awesome, just starting my level 5 computing to get my diploma and this was a great since i havent really done anything in computing in a good 3 years except play games
great job on these vids man.. very informative
"Well jeeze, if only the position of my character's head could have been calculated to 15 decimal places..." This Linus is the best!! I can't stop laughing :D
It's pretty much spot on.
But here's an extra tidbit: in CAD applications, FireGL/Quadro performs A LOT better! (up to 10x or more compared to the consumer version, even though it's built using the same silicon) The difference all comes down to the drivers.
Traditionally (although this trend is slowly starting to shift) CAD applications draw stuff in immediate mode which pretty much meant that you had to make a draw call for each element you see on screen, and things were kept in system memory. This is in stark contrast to video games which grouped elements together to minimize draw calls and leverage GPU memory as much as possible. So GPU makers intentionally crippled immediate mode performance on consumer card drivers without having any detrimental effect on gaming performance (which consumers care about), but dramatically slowed down CAD performance (which consumers don't care about) - forcing us poor CAD users to pay through the nose.
Google for some choice keywords and you'll find some interesting investigations and findings, and you might wonder how GPU makers are able to get away with it at all.
sounds like there is a fortune to be made for some hacker/software developer to make custom drivers and sell it to CAD folk for a few hundred bucks
Son of a Zombie
I'd bet there isn't a dime to be made there. CAD professionals aren't going to spend any money on a hack that isn't supported by the hardware vendor or certified by the software vendors.
Folopolis CAD workers hate money? Maybe if the developer sold it to Autodesk, charged you $2000 for a license and rubber stamp "certification" you would like the idea better? it is clear now why NVidia is bending you guys over! lol
Son of a Zombie If you are a i.e. car manufacturing company, that makes yearly profit of X billion dollars, you ain't gonna use a hack to save a few thousand or even tens of thousands and risk stopping your production if something goes wrong. It's one of reasons why big companies rarely switch to FOSS. Not because FOSS is bad, but level of support they expect is usually lacking.
In my experience Xeon processors and Quadro perform a lot better than consumer grade "equivalent". I don't know if it's because of larger cache, ECC memory or better building quality in general. But when you work with big assemblies or complex shapes with something like Solidworks, Inventor or Creo consumer grade hardware inevitably fails at a certain point. I speak from many years of experience.
Painter and Decorator here.
Purdy brushes are a LOT better than the ones you will get from your hardware store. A LOT better. You really need to be a professional to notice the difference though, because your average Joe will just splatter paint everywhere no matter what brush they are using.
Can't speak to the Ox Hair ones though
In games, it doesn't matter if a bullet shotted hit correctly. But it does matter in industries if calculations go wrong slightly. which justifies the cost.
One of the other benefits on the precision of the quadros. Often we, in animation, deal with both very small numbers and very large numbers in a single scene. ie a mountain top with a character on it may be 2500000 units away from origin, and camera truck from far away may mean that we exceed the floating point precision of the scene. The double precision just helps to keep things from jittering as the viewport renderer tries to figure out what polygon is on top of another (called z-fighting), it also helps to draw curves because the tangency of a curve can be very small, especially if you zoom in on it, like in a grapheditor.
+aseredy Nice! Getting a pair of Quadro M5000 cards to play with, can't wait to see how well 3Ds MAX behaves with them as opposed to my GTX cards (which still kick butt in pure compute). Too bad Maxwell kinda curbed DP performance though...
Sweet! Maybe it was nerfed because Max is a mostly Games suit, and you don't want to be building scenes for cinematics that most game engines will artifact on. I'm a Maya guy so I'm not too familiar with Max's tech (used it in limited capacity years ago). Though, I'm not sure having DP impacts artist productivity all that much, but all those annoying little artifacts that happen with pure gaming cards definitely go away. So, you may just notice better over all UI performance instead. Though any investment in productivity is a good one, and Maya's overall user experience is greatly improved with Quatros. Max will probably be the same.
aseredy Yeah, I've seen some kickass viewport improvements in Maya when switching from a more powerful GTX to even a lower-grade Quadro, so I'm expecting great gains here too. Can't wait :D
PS2 has z-fighting issues unfortunately. :(
and they're too visible, even at a such a low resolution games run at.
Guess we're all industry professionals now, with all the prices being where they're at...
Informative and very funny.
Thank you for doing what you do.
Mate, you convinced me - I subscribed! Well done.
For 5 thousand dollars it better run crisis 3 at 400 fps and have 10k resolution support. Lol
+morraynumbah52 It won't, but if you're an engineering consultancy and work for the aerospace industry it'll pay for itself on the first job
+morraynumbah52 you just didn't watch the video at all
Alejandro Vargas
I did watch the enire vid, I was fucking joking.... Wait how else would I know the price of the fucking video card? Telepathy?
Alejandro Vargas
haha, nice to see that there's idiots that start shit even if it has nothing to do with them, esavages.
+Alejandro Vargas said no comedian ever
May GabeN bless your soul and your cats Linus
Have you accepted lord Gaben, king of the gamers and the nerds and the computer men, lord protector of steam and all it's sale events, first of his name as your lord and savior?
Marios5556 Yes I have.
Oh man I just fart as I read this comment comen on XD
First comment on this lmao
another thing quadros have is much slower memory buses. i've had to talk about this to someone i know who was confused about GeForce and Quadro before. i had to explain it as "a GeForce will do things as quickly as possible and get you that 60FPS, a frame didn't turn out right? drop it whatever, a Quadro will do it correctly and keep rendering until it's done right"
another thing Quadros and Firepros have is the fact that they are much more hardy, i've heard tell of a computer science professor having two CUDA farms, one made of Quadros and one made of GeForce 780's, the 780's only lasted a couple of days before burning out from 24/7 use. the quadros were fine.
Excellent thanks for properly sorting that out.
That road so beautiful... I wonder where it is...
+NenekTerbang I thought the same thing. Probably somewhere in Europe.
+Mario P. Cardenas Europe ftw fam. Looks like it could possibly be Norway. It looks very Norwayish if you know what I mean with the mountains and low population.
+NenekTerbang It's Romania, Europe.
+Mario P. Cardenas europe
+Tristan King you are right
After watching this video, I've come to the realization that Linus would be totally screwed if he had no arms.
This video is old and you're still taking me to school! Thanks
Great description, thanks!
The reason the cost is higher from my experience, is that certain programmes require specific quadro cards purely for features within the programs themselves. I use Solidworks you need a quadro or FirePro to use graphics features in models.
Im studying 3D design in University. They told me to pick up a Lenovo W540 workstation with a quadro. I also game and i knew that the card wouldnt push modern games, so i went with a Lenovo Y50 which rocks a 2014 maxwell based GTX 860m... Prior to university i would render high poly 3D scenes on an AMD APU based platform.. A super detailed scene at 720p, 2000 samples could take 4hours... With the CUDA function of my GTX 860m in the laptop, the same exact scene at 1080p, 2000 samples is about 40mins...
Its a world of difference.. Glad i didnt get the workstation.. It was bulky, ugly, and hardly could push 40fps on games like Warthunder medium settings 1080p.. I push a full 90fps with Warthunder on movie and its really enjoyable.
So note to anyone getting a laptop for 3D design or CAD work... The CUDA cores of a 2014 GTX seriously gets the job done + plays games where as a workstation with a quadro workstation laptop at the same price basically is not worth your while.
Not to mention workstations are a lot heavier, thinker and bulkier..
And considering that Adobe's applications and drivers support gaming grade GTX cards and a few Radeon ones, forking out more money for a quadro or firepro just seems like a waste of money to the average design student/beginner.
Hey Scotty I have the Y50 also and its great! I am curious which gpu renderer are you using? (you mention you went from 4hours to 40mins)
Thx!
see louder When you render single scenes in software like blender, use the GTX 860m gpu. It'll finish the job much faster. If you're doing a long video that includes multiple frames, I would suggest using the core i7 4700HQ CPU because it's more stable and is less likely to crash for larger scale projects. :D
Hope that helped mate!
The GPU will always be faster and infact it can usually do large scale projects too. If you dont want to take the risk of crashing it, still go with CPU for big video/animation renders otherwise for games, editing and saving video, photoshop, AI, etc.. - ALWAYS use the GTX 860m as the default render.
thx dude!!
***** i dont know how this works... how to let Cpu deal with certain works without Gpu involved?
Thanks - informative, to the point - what I needed to know.
Top notch presentation! Congratulation!
Why just GeForce vs. Quadro? Don't forget AMD's Radeon vs. FirePro ...
Also, about NVidia artificially lowering the compute capabilities of GeForce cards ... I really wish they didn't. It started with the 600 series, so the 590 is better at double precision calculations than the 780 Ti. There's no reason the latest high-end card should be artificially crippled to perform worse than a card that's two generations old.
do they really do that
The difference is mostly the same between FirePro and Radeon (per the video description), except that AMD cards are MUCH better compute cards than NVidia's.
I too dislike how Nvidia forces you to get their overpriced, super expensive "pro-grade" workstation cards if you want to get any decent compute performance out of your card.
Intel does this to CPUs two. :P A low end i5 is the same chip as the i7 with stuff turned off.
The reason they do it is so they can sell GPUs that wouldn't pass QA as Quadro (Because they would need all 8 floating-point units working for double-precision math and one of them is faulty in some way), but do pass QA as GeForce (Because then they only need 4 floating point units for single precision math). It's the same reason AMD sells 6-core CPUs and (Intel sells Dual-core CPUs) - They're actually 8-core (quad core, in Intel's case) CPUs, but 1 or 2 of the cores on the silicon is faulty, so the faulty pair is disabled with a hardware fuse and the CPU is sold on as a cheaper part, to save them losing money by not being able to sell the part at all.
Muhammad Alwan That's a shame ... I use NVidia cards because CUDA is so well supported and easy to use compared to OpenCL.
I guess I just need to learn to code better ...
Okay Linus but I want to see a Quadro m6000 vs a Titan X Pascal fps comparison in multiples games. Does the Quadro actually get more fps than the Titan X or what? I know it's not meant for gaming but how well does it perfom in games?
there are no graphical drivers on the quadro, it actually can't be used for gaming.
sorry brah.
A quadro is made for companies, 1 card can power upto 6 monitors. I bought a nvs 290 for €7,50 and it works very good for games like gmod, minecraft, cs:go and it can power 2 monitors.
He made a video
Matthew Ihlan Can you give me the link?
he did that on his main channel, and the drivers do for games, he played Crisis 3 on it and a titan, they were the same, but the Quadro has twice the RAM at 24GB.
linus ur always on point thanks for the tips
It is called market segmentation. In cars, you have the same chassis and/or the same engine equipping models of completely different categories. In digital cameras, you had the same sensor equipping from a Sony Nex3 to a Nikon D7000.
Yeah, its quite hard to justify why Quadro/FireGL has better performance over GTX especially in recent years. I have work in this two "world" with the same CAD software (office Quadro FX 4600 and home gaming rig GTX660 x2), it does make a different. First, if you are using CAD software such Solidworks, you will see the different instantly (highlight and real time rendering). While in other CAD software its hard to spot the difference, especially if you are a beginner. But ill give you a hint where to spot, try to rotate a part. The part edges on GTX/HD are blurred just like in games (Motion Blur), while on Quadro/FireGL they are precisely placed (less eye fatigue). And yes basically they just changed the memory type to ECC, implement a special driver which there are plenty of hacked ones, and stamp a higher price. Comparing with games, GTX/HD has faster memory since it does not have to correct errors and can be overclocked easily. Meanwhile for working, as Linus explained the brush, this are just tools. Once you know when to use this proper tool then you will achieve a better product other wise its just an overpriced solution.
Intriguing
Wait a minute, if butterfly can make hurricane on other side of world, what will do GPU with two or even three fans?
What?
ChRoNicBuRrItOs it's from chaos theory it says that it's possible for a butterfly's wings to cause storms. He's joking saying that a gpu fan would cause even more chaos.
Gary Merchant That is why we all need to keep our cases closed. Also, dust can become rather problematic.
@@GarrySkipPerkins but... the force from sliding the case side panel shut!
Very well said sir. Enjoyed that thoroughly
Gee, this video is from 6 year ago and I just got my Quadro K5000 today. Still works pretty awesome though.
3:01 i want that framed on my wall
I like to see a 6 year old video get recommended now bruh
I feel you
Haha, lol
I wonder if the topic us trending or something.
Man, when the best graphics cards came with DVI
Same
Quadro, Tesla, Maxwell, Pascal, GeForce, Volta, Kepler etc. - I think you guys are perfect to explain and put each one in the right box to make sense of it all. PLEASE!!
hope to meet the crew at some point linus i watch all the videos ha , on Monday i leave for a job building servers .
it would be cool to do a special RIG video with you and the crew one day , keep the good work you teach alot of young people that are into IT world alot before they even pick up a BOOK .
and we all know for us visual learners out there your videos are entertaining and doesn't feel like much of learning.
If I recall correctly there was a regular GeForce which could be turned into a Quadro card by simply loading another BIOS. Can't recall which one though. It's a relatively recent card.
But really all of these features are for powerusers.
I believe that I've heard about it in various Geforce models...
not fully ... like no ecc and less reliable in obtaining more accurate results but u are 90 percent correct . same for some amd products . they increase rendering speed by a lot
hackad ay.com/2013/03/18/hack-removes-firmware-crippling-from-nvidia-graphics-card/ without the spaces ... this is just one example . there are older models also
Corristo89 I think the GTX7xx series may have had some models that applied to.
GeForce GTX 690 could be modded into a Quadro K5000 and GeForce Titan into a Tesla K20.
why am I getting this recommanded while watching videos on rtx 3080?
Classic video title that tells me what I'm going to learn instead of using clickbait. Very nice.
Linus you have great presentation skills!!
do a video in exactly the same way - but with intel xenon vs ordinary
xeon*
+Casper sanderson It's much of the same.
* Their target market is businesses with lodsemone, so prices are high.
* They support ECC (error-correcting code) RAM
* More L3 cache
* Higher-binned
* Options with moar cores
He did on his main channel
+CrusheR BeaR Well, you also forgot to mention that there is no 18-core i7 available on the market :D
I used to use an EVGA SR-2 system with two Xeon X5650s for gaming (OC'ed via BLCK to 3.5 ghz)
they did fine, in fact you can overclock current xeons with haxx0r XMP profiles.
And there are engineering sample Xeon E5-2690 v4s on Ebay atm for $550ish, which are 20 core/40 thread.
Go nuts if you have the money =P
The paint brush example is not very correct, what you pay for with a top quality brush is longevity more than quality. You can pick up a $6 brush and it'll work almost good as a $80 bush on the first day, but a month down the track the $80 brush wont have you wanting to paint walls with your socks.
In addition to double-point computation, other gotchas are that you need a Quadro to provide a 10-bit/channel color signal to a wide-gamut monitor. Also need a Quadro to use NVIDIA's NVAPI. The NVAPI provides warp/blending capabilities at the OS level allowing you to create seamless projected desktops on both flat and curved surfaces.
Thanks bro that info was very helpful.
When you set the speed to 0.5, it just sounds like Linus is drunk. But when you set it to 1.25, he just sounds like he's had some coke.
Only 500$? 😭
Thanks for resuming all the differences. Much of the internet say only they have more memory, but this is incomplete.
from what i know now:
For image/matrix transformations they are good, and they have all the software ready to do it.
FPGA can do fast parallel processing, but they need to be programmed and cost more than GPU if doing image/matrix transformations.
CISC CPU (i core) are good to do random sequencial tasks and complex maths with large floating numbers (they have a co-processor).
RISC CPU are cheap but they need more steps to do the same task, they are in all tablets, PDA, digital mobile phones, GPS, and can be in some low end computers, cars, washing machines, routers, TV, and more.
fast forward 7 years and every GPU is made from unobtanium and Linus has joined an Elf Cult
I have been watching this video since 2014 hoping to find something new that justify the cost of Quadro cards. Am i going to watch again in 2017 or coming years?
Diadem Raman I was trying to figure out if I wanted a quadro, but I'll just buy a GTX Titan
The reason for the cost being so high is quite simple. If you develop a product for consumers, that is built - let's say 1 million times - you can split the cost over those 1 million built products. But if you can only sell 10.000 professional cards, the cost of developing the product is split only over this 10.000 pieces.
So you got 100x as much for developing for the card.
The price for a product isn't just the cost for the resources you need and the production. Why does everyone forget that?
It's also the cost for development, better support for professionals, etc.
Why do you think professional operating systems are way more expensive than those for home users?
another difference: consumer products have roughly the specs u expect from them, they are always some veriations. a quadro gpu has the exact output as any other quadro so u can compare the results.
5000 dollars issnt much. the screens at my eeg-workstations are in that pricerange.
Could you do a 2019/2020 version
Same. It will be the same in 2021 too.
Mostly those can be used in animation and game development I mean you can thank it also for not having a problem with the graphics design of a character or a map due to what video card they initially used.
I feel time run so fast, I just watch this video yesterday, but now it's 7 years already.
i watched this video for like 4 or maybe 5 times what the hell ...
+احمد يونس lol I feel you ..im still trying to figure out the difference
+Patrick Taylor not figuring out the difference , that is what scares me , I am just re-watching it (becaus it appears in my first page on CZcams ) although I got the idea quite the first time
+Patrick Taylor 3 big things. Double Float, Memory, and ECC. Floats represent each number with 32bits. Doubles use 64bit. Almost completely useless in gaming but if you're using a GPU to process something not graphic related like multiplying some very large numbers, then it's required. 24GB of memory allows for a lot more of these very large numbers. and finally, ECC (error correction coding) helps to make sure that there wasn't an error in the code. with gaming, a single pixel showing up as red instead of blue for a single frame doesn't matter but an extra zero on a bank account is completly unacceptable. as a side note, the only game im familiar with that was experimenting with doubles is Star Citizen. they were looking for a way to render very large space areas in space. without the use of doubles, there just isn't enough precision. I'm guessing they stuck with floats for now.
Excellent explanation. Disagree on the zero though, I'd love some extra zeroes on my bank account.
So Nvidia is ripping off the rich and developing new tech at a reasonable price for us regulars? Now I respect Nvidia even more!
not just Nvidia, it's logic, you always go to the deepest pocket with a stiff price, because you sell less and you have to justified the cost of development to this particular product. and this go the other way, when you have a wide average customers who counts the pennies you lower the price to sell more.
Fucking robin hood man.
Linus left out the GeForce cards are made in way bigger numbers and stuff made in large numbers is always cheaper, so it's that + they have way more expensive memory and such + it's aimed at companies. So you probably don't have much to respect Nvidia for, hehe... ;)
(though I'm a long time Nvidia user, have been since FirePro's ran 3DLabs Glint GPU's and were made by Diamond. I switched to Nvidia when they were bought by ATI who messed everything up - because ATI)
To an extent. For example, starting with the 600-series cards, NVidia purposely crippled their GPUs to perform slower with double-precision calculations. The 590 is twice as fast as the 690 for computing.
asdfrozen And that's why I run 2x EVGA 580 Classified's for CUDA (and OpenCL) crunching. But man are they HOT! This box alone runs at $100 for electricity a month, hehe... :D
I didn't knew this channel was this old
thanks for this! very well explained
Actually, gamers are starting to need double precision graphics rendering. I know a lot of games that would benefit from it.
Some of you may have have seen a phenomenon called z-fighting, where two objects close together or very far away look like they're clipping through each other at random points across their surfaces, or which one is in front is flickering constantly. This is because the view transformation is becoming numerically unstable because your view distance is too long and/or you can see things too close to you at the same time.
Going from 32-bit floats to 64-bit floats eliminates this issue.
Also, calculating at 64-bit isn't dormant in GeForce cards. Rather, it's deliberately crippled. GeForce cards can do it, but it's about 8 times slower than it is on a Quadro - on purpose - making it unusable for scientific calculation or games.However, to be fair to NVIDIA, AMD is doing exactly the same thing with their FireGL line. Yes, that's why the Mac Pro is so expensive, in case anyone is wondering.
IshayuG No, Z-fighting happens because two or more faces of geometry are co-planar. Nothing to do with view distance. And if the vertices of two models are in precisely the same place, changing the precision of their world co-ordinates will not change their location.
Launch your favourite game engine on a PC running a Titan. Put two planes in exactly the same place with their normals facing the same direction. Notice the Z-fighting?
redchant
Two problems here.
First, putting in a Titan and launching your favorite game won't do anything. The game is programmed to use single-precision floating point numbers, and even though your Titan supports double-precision does NOT mean the game will use it, and so you're almost certainly not going to notice any difference whatsoever.
Secondly, I already mentioned Z-fighting from co-planar surfaces, but this is not the only type of Z-fighting that can happen. If the view transform is numerically unstable, you can get some points that were supposed to be in front of other points suddenly be behind them or right on top of them when they're displayed on the screen, and this is, by far, the most common source of Z-fighting. It's generally caused by too long view distance.
Can you do a video about the Nvidia Tesla K models?
Alexander Smith ayyy lmao. that doesn't even have a display output, it just calculates raw data. essentially a very expensive and beefy calculator.
MeGusta GameStation Uh, Exactly..
If you need dedicated CUDA cores for GPU rendering, then the Tesla is useful. Where are you going with this?
Alexander Smith
I was thinking that there wasn't really a point in doing a video about Tesla's on Linus' channel since he focuses more on gaming oriented products and misconceptions.
Most people haven't even heard of a Tesla GPUs and very little people even use one unless your gonna power a super computer or something. On top of that, they are much much more expensive and no average consumer can afford one at M.S.R.P
Don't get me wrong, I'd be interested in such a video, but most of the gaming community and consumers aren't interested and this channel isn't towards professionals, just gamers and enthusiasts.
Well, first off your personal energy has given me a case of the hives, but in a good way...that aside however...
I wound up, purely by accident outfitting my gaming rig (which I should add is 13 years old) with a couple of old quadro 5000 cards running in SLI. Didn't think much would come of it but damn...these cards literally WILL game like a bitch. Its hard to believe and thats even with today's games (2019). Back in the day these constituted close to 10'000$ worth of video. You can get them for next to nothing now from some Ebay sellers junk heap; intriguing. After all else though I found your video very interesting and educational. Thanks.
Edit: I should add, sorrowful as it seems, I found your presentation in the first place while looking for aftermarket cooling fan replacements to keep my SLI Quadro's alive and kicking. I haven't even had the heart to replace them, They are still working too well. Wild huh???
Hey Linus. Am watching this in 2022 and I got to say, "you used to make some weird body movements back then in 2014."
video card manufacturers have been screwing the gamer for years!
are you wearing a shirt with a faze clan logo on it?
The company is five four not faze
i thought that too!
I was joking
This is why the Mac Pro is so expensive.
You can get similar performance from a custom build PC for less but you don't get the goodies from professional (that's why its called a Mac "Pro" grade hardware as seen from this video.
LOL
AlbertoScrubington
You're probably calling someone autistic while 1) you don't know what autism realy is 2) he probably isn't . And by the way, I wouldn't be surprised that a mac does indeed have higher grade hardware. And no I am not an apple fan, far from it.
KingClaus of Yllin everybody has to make me feel bad about my self on the internet
KingClaus of Yllin The Mac Pro specs' might justify it price the best compared to any other Apple product, but all their products are still heavily overpriced.
Maxwaehrens Indeed they are
You finally made me laugh man. Great video
I use a pretty bad Work PC, with some pretty bad GeForce Card. Then a man came to me and aaid "Its dangerous to play with 5 FPS, take this" and he gave me a the Quadro FX 1500. I was so happy.
CraftorD Quadro is bad for gaming what the hell are u talking about.
***** ?
***** Its good for design and stuff, quadro is not good for gaming.
Like I said my previous Graphics Card was the Standart GPU of a Working PC and compared to the Quadro FX 1500 the Quadro is about 5x better
Sell it to buy a gaming GPU lol
Great it's getting recommend after 6 year
I imagine one key difference here is that there's a much more in-depth development for the drivers and much better if not very customized support for the specific programs these graphics cards will be running. So they're more reliable for their specific use cases and they probably finish their workload faster. Imagine you're a movie studio head honcho and you know that by using these cards, your renders will get done considerably faster thereby allowing you to do more work. Or say the company is an oil or minerals exploration/extraction company that relies on a certain set of programs to map out where and how to dig next. The faster and more reliable your processes, the faster you get to digging or the better you get to timing your new projects in response to market conditions, etc etc etc. The 10x price tag can easily be paid for by that saved time not too far down the road.
I work in one of the mentioned businesses, so this is how I see it.
If you're halfway through a game and the card produces some erroneous output, you get a graphics glitch or at worst a crash.
Something similar happens when you're running your mine production forecast, 3D mine model, or movie re-render. At best you just have to run that 1 to 12 hour model again, at worst you move forward with an incorrect production model. The people who can do this work get paid A LOT, wasting their time and delaying production easily justifies a few thousand on a reliable card.
Does Linus wear a FaZe clan t-shirt ?
that's not faze lol
+N0SMAN its fenchurch
Well I understand the pricetag for Quadro cards but please Linus create a video for
" Justifying Titan-Z / Titan / Titan Black ludacris pricetag as Fast as Possible "
This will be entertaining to see I bet.
The Titan and Titan Black does not have a ridiculous price tag. It has 6GB of video memory with more floating points. It's a hybrid gaming/workstation card, because it has Geforce Drivers and the things needed for the reliability.
Medieval Blast Ok so it's not best for Working nor it's best for Gaming , but it's still best for it's Price Tag ? Ok Tks for clearing it up =)
Basically it's an Identity Crisis card.
Funny , well we all know Titan is a Workstation / Gaming card , well yeah but strangely even till now NVIDIA advertise it as a Gaming card...and still trying very hard to market it as one too...for us it's ok we know, what about people with loads of money and doesn't ?? False Advertising much , or maybe not ?? Just saying =)
O , you do know that Sapphire has a card equipped with 8GB ?? Guess what it cost half as less as a Titan once again just like how the 295 X2.
Speaking of 6GB , well I could just get 2X 7970 Toxic from Sapphire which also a 6GB card set it up in Crossfire and guess what it's still cheaper than the Titan and run as well.
Yeah I know I know it's a Gaming / Workstation card, well we are comparing with Gaming cards, so Im only going to respond it as a Gaming card for the Titan and compare it as a Gaming card value and guess what , it fails bad......
So Identity Crisis card as I said = =
Eric Tan Titan is one of the fastest single gpu's available for gaming and it is so much faster as a workstation card than any other GeForce card. Titan is great if you need to do workstation stuff, but also want to play games, but can't afford a Quadro/FirePro gpu.
I believe Nvidia has stopped advertising Titan as a pure gaming gpu for quite some time now.
ChippiesChips Ah really ? Still doesn't justify the price it is fastest Single GPU because of its more expensive price. While you said it's better than GeForce card for working , definitely , GeForce aren't meant for working in the first place.
While speaking of pricing , once again I could just spend that money on a Dual GPU setup and beat it at same price or lower.
Still I don't see the sense in this.
Another question , is it better than Quadro cards for same / higher price ?
Like I said it's a total Identity Crisis card if you ask me.
Why don't just get a Gaming card if your going to game and a workstation one for work.
This card ain't like Hybrid race cars which it excels at both being economical and powerful than traditional pure gasoline ones.
The Titan sort stuck in the middle , it's not the best on both world nor it's the worst.
Hmmm I could be visiting the wrong site but NVIDIA's site still specifically pointing out this being a high end / top " gaming " card never even mentioning about workstation either.
Eric Tan well, they keep advertising the GTX Titan as "gaming" cards because the gaming market is easier to plunge in. That won't work with workstation because content creators take real time for the specs and feature, and nothing that is flashy whatsoever. The Titan would be great for budget workstation cards, and it performs pretty good and is probably overkill for many content creators anyway, while more powerful than Mac Pro's FirePro workstation card.
Can you please make a video explaining the differences between sRGB, Adobe RGB, Rec 709, etc? I know the colors that they display are different, but are there other pros and cons to each? I'd love to know!
Do the quadros out preform their cheaper counter parts in Adobe Premiere, or are they similar in performance?