Your brain on improv - Charles Limb
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- čas přidán 4. 07. 2024
- Musician and researcher Charles Limb wondered how the brain works during musical improvisation -- so he put jazz musicians and rappers in an fMRI to find out. What he and his team found has deep implications for our understanding of creativity of all kinds. (Filmed at TEDxMidAtlantic.)
Talk by Charles Limb.
When musicians improvise they enter this almost meditative stage where things just flow out of them with ease. It’s amazing and I do it my self so I know how it feels. It’s all feeling in that state, hats why you often see msuxixians faces so full of feeling. At that point to there is literally no thought going through the musicians minds, more thought means less flow, so one has to practice mindful meditation at that point to stay in that flow. Many do it without even know though
Rapping is one thing... rapping at TED talk quite another. Balls of steel
when people do improv music they go into flow state.
Entering a flow state is really hard for a lot of people, and the best musicians are often much netter at it than others. I'm an advanced musician myself, but often I don't reach a flow state when I improvise, because of many factors. I´m working om it,but it´s very hard.
"...science has to catch up to art..."!
Also really interesting in the clip of rap in the machine: you can see optimal breathing (the quick expansion of the ribs, followed by expansion of abdomen with phonation supported by the lower abdominal muscles) - Would be fascinating if the neuroscientists start to wonder about / talk about how breath and brain are working together to produce creativity.
Examine the brain playing giant steps
Examine it playing giant steps backwards
Go back in time and examine the mind of the piano player stuck trying to solo during that iconic first recording.
This is a fascinating talk. Going through a jazz conservatory program, we did a lot of "trading" and interactive improvisational performance, similar to what was studied here, and it's amazing to see the effects it has on the brain. We were always told by our lecturers to "stop thinking and listen" when we improvise with other people. Exactly as described, you need to be “willing to make mistakes” and not be inhibited. That reflects what you see in the brain scan - the area of the brain involved in planning and "thinking" shut off, and self-expression takes over.
It'd be interesting to see if anyone did a study on the mental health outcomes of "trading" and improvising collaboratively the way jazz musicians do. Anecdotally, it can be a great way to bond with other musicians, and I wonder if that would be reflected.
Also amazing seeing a neuroscientist rap!
One of the best TEDtalks I've listened to, just fascinating. I'm hoping I get to hear more in future from him on the questions he concluded with. Especially; 'Why does the brain seek creativity?' that for me is a biggy.
"Science has to catch up to art", wow. Well it's going to take a couple of decades.
This is exactly what means for me a realized person. Thanks for this Charles, Jazz is not dead!
would the language parts not light up just because your sort of going "booby dooby" in your head?
my right ear feels lonely :(
Same I was wondering
czcams.com/video/MkRJG510CKo/video.html (same vid but with fixed audio)
thanks mate, i was wearing my headphones in reverse.
Awesome scientific style rap, hehehe, love the research by the way
awesome presentation
Scientific knowledge can even provide an Asian (culture not that much known for rapping) into rapping in TED... is amazing all we can do when we crack the mysteries of stuff :D
Nice video I really dig it
I was definitely doing that! But great video so DFTBA!
good ted talk
what about rehearsed speach vs talking about a subject without preparing for it??
Dr. Charles is cool
This was awesome!
The crowd was dead on that freestyle though. 😅
Sounds like a thought experiment to me. ;}
if you want to compare it to language please provide an assessment of language along the same guidelines
That Bud Powell quote though
Yup, me too.
Where's the sound??
10:24 got a match - chick corea
This rapper needs to get permission to shoot his next video in the FMRI machine... Could be a dope setting for a vid..word. ?
How about study someone like me who has never had classical training and is someone who improvised my entire sets, hours and hours long, on the spot, spontaneous and often with other musicians, sometimes they are way more advanced etc, all genres. Study me?
who else unplugged there speakers and plugged them back in thinking they were broken
Where is the right audio?
A little got a match reference at 10:25
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3:00
arrgh, left channelll!
Neat, Mitt! #MittTheQuotingCat on Instagram
he's so cool. DFTBA!
Talk about music. Audio only on the left. Come on Ted. Check your uploads and your youtube department.
This guy needs Harry Mack
This is the wrong way to study and analyze "creativity-science". Why? Because these "musicians"(in this video) are not "inventing" the improvisational music-style. They've learned it, and they've practiced it enough earlier to recreate it in a very similar way. Improvisational jazz-music and rap-music have been played many times by so many musicians that it doesn't take much creativity to copy it and reproduce it. So, where is the true creativity here? These scientists have no clue how to study creativity--creatively, accurately, scientifically.
If scientists truly want to study the "creative" brains of improvisational musicians, scientifically, then they should choose their musicians very selectively and carefully. They should select only those musicians or artist, who are truly "inventing" their style of improvisational music. That musical piece should be a type of "experimental"-music, of which melodic part is reaching beyond any other style of already existing music style. The improvisational musician should literally "invent" the melody on the spot, in the fMRI machine(or whatever they are using for brain-scanning) not recreate a music-style that they are already know too well as they did in this video.
if you set the requirements for creativity that high, im not sure that 'true' creativity actually exists. No persons brain can just generate new things in a vacuum. When we think creatively all we are doing is combining seemingly disparate bits of information that we already know
George Galamb I don’t think humans today meet ur rly high standards on creativity
I agree entirely with what you’re saying. I was thinking the same thing. My own experience with music creation is completely created on the spot with no preconceived anything. I never know exactly what I’m going to do. I hit record and go. My music improvisation is usually with synthesizers, sequencers sometimes, signal processors and mixing desk. My music is often slow, beatless, but highly descriptive and evocative. What is played and where it’s placed is just a flow towards fulfilling the piece. It is a highly meditative state, akin to essentially being a receiver.
Jerry Garcia=rap aint music :)