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I love how most “strategies to counter the XP-50” in these comments require the XP-50 pilot to be inexperienced/make big mistakes
But for real it compresses quite a lot.
So with a 190 and defensive flying, even an experienced pilot will have some trouble. You can also try a high speed dogfight, like a downwards spiral, in something like a 109.
@@pouletbidule9831 Sometimes you can even get them to wing rip with the shallow dive towards them trap. But I guess we are back to the "inexperianced big mistake".
Here are my strategies against XP-50:
-Play US, preferably XP-50, so you won't face it
-Kill ground targets and win by tickets
The easiest way to beat this thing is to force him to go into a turning fight, you need to avioid the boom n zoom and once he goes down you make a quick turn with combat flaps, by the time he's climbing you should have your guns pointing at him if you have a turning fighter, if u have a boom n zoom plane, there's not much you can do. Turning planes beat this thing easily if you force them to go into turning fight, it compresses kinda bad about 550km and up, so force him to dive
@@elnewbie2611 Forcing it to go on a turning fight is the challange
There was only one XP-50 ever produced. It crashed into Long Island Sound on it’s 15th test flight due to a turbosupercharger explosion and was lost.
It was made as a land based version of the XF5F Skyrocket, And it was made as a backup to the XP-49. (beefed up P-38) Funny that the backup failed before the former, huh.
As for it being lost… It still hasn’t been found. I combed the internet for search efforts, and I found one. I contacted the person searching for it, and they said their next search is scheduled for May 2023. However, They said that in a 4 mile line of searching with a sonar device, they found 38 sunken vessels and whatever. So, I believe that the XP has been crushed under a sunken vessel since the 80+ years from it’s loss.
Very informative, thank you
Thanks
hero
any updates on their may search?
classic gaijin adding vehicles that dont exist
Unfortunately, the only way to counter an Xp-50 is for them to be bad… a good xp-50 simply will not die. Ever. I still advocate for it to have its airspawn removed. It will still be above things anyways, just not 2km above going 400km/hour.
i disagree (totally not becuase i myself own the xp50 and milk the hell out of the climb rate)
Matchmaker loves to pit you against these when you fly the Swedish planes. And it's just completely hopeless.
I have noticed that too. Literally distorts game play.
"Oh, I'm playing against the US. Time to go to space to get above the XP50s and/or wait for them to drop down to low alt..."
As a noob playing france, help
The amount of toxicity a XP-50 can bring is the same equivalent of 2 nukes in Japan.
It's nuts
I got this thing 75% off, but I have too much of a heart to bully people with it............................. YET
Its not as good as people think. It’s high speed performance is lack lustre. I bully XP-50’s with P-51’s all day
Me too I still have free repairs with it and a crazy kill death ratio but there is a far more op 4.3 plane for us the xp55 only issue it's rank 2 but that plane might be the most op premium
@@onyourkilllist6880 no you don’t
@@jaybabe7767 Yeah, its good if you if people fight you on your terms. Get it up to 600 Km/h and it turns into a lawn dart. I look forward to seeing it high above me.
@@onyourkilllist6880 you play arcade?
6:12 I think prototypes and testbed aircraft make some of the best premiums because they're often very interesting and war thunder helps bring some of these more forgotten planes to life
Until they turn a failed POS into a ufo spaceship that is 10x better than anything that came 3 years after it’s first flight
@@homersimpson5497 this one died because it had engine trouble. Warthunder obviously gets rid of those problems for game play sake. A lot of prototypes do well in game because irl problems not related to any specific vehicle. The ariete wasn’t chosen irl because it wasn’t fast enough. In warthunder it makes up for that with crazy turning ability, which it would have irl, but you can’t constantly pull 14gs in real life, unlike in warthunder.
@@mr.astronuts3825hell, if random engine failures were a thing we’d never see a tiger ever be played in game
I haven’t played 4.0 props in a while and this thing is one of the reasons why. Good video tho
Cope
Seethe
4.0 would be the most fun br in the game if this plane didn’t exist
Cope
Yes exactly
@@HighjeX_ bros going around replying to every comment tryna suck off a plane dick
My biggest gripe with XP-50 is the fact it's getting spammed during events/operations. An enemy team, with atleast 2-3 XP-50s, casually killing off any friendly bombers.
Only way how to counter it, is to make the other player to dive and distract him enough, for a friendly to take him down.
It's stupidly OP for its BR, and while a fun vehicle overall, it's broken. One can't outrun, outclimb or outturn that pile of concentrated P2W.
i was in a match with 7 xp-50s
I got it for free through the original war bond shop. Since then iv gotten 1500kills and 500 deaths
@@bhavjotkang8004 I wouldn't care in a bit.
There have been plenty of war bond shop vehicles like that, KV1E's, KV1C's, American captured Japanese planes and so on.
I don't buy them, because they are not fun to play against, especially, during events, when *everyone* uses them.
I'm not saying they should be banned, but their spawn limited/per battle. Facing enemy team, consisting of captured/p2w meta vehicles results in painful grind. And I hate that.
@@MRtucnakCZE uhhh yes they should. Imagine a game where everyone was actually on equal footing at the start of a match, and wins only came down to individual pilot skill, not using the fotm op p2w fighters.
It's crazy to imagine that would ever happen, but that sounds like a lot more fun.
@@johnbigelson7471 That's what the BR is supposed to represent, doesn't it? Equal footing.
I hate the xp-50. I hate it so much I won't even capitalize it.
Cry moment
This aircraft is crime at 4.0... And that's why I need it too
My strategy (1v1, no else around to 3rd party) in the p63 or similar is to let them feel like a God being above you but lure them into matching your energy in a shallow dive. If they're even just slightly inexperienced this helps a great deal to counter it already. If their energy is much greater, you can reverse them although this shouldn't be the first thing you do.
this plane was my second premium (first was the German Marcolin's Cr.42) and i bought before i knew it was stupid OP and got just cause i thought it looked cool. *O H B O Y W H A T A T I M E*
The xp50 is the ugliest plane I've ever seen, sure you only bought it bcuz it's "cool looking"
Almost all of the prototype experimental planes were never actually put into production. Then again for some reason the USSR is on axis teams post 1942. 😂
love your vids keep up the good work!
gotta love how its on sale for 800GL now :D
Whenever I see a XP-50 in my Do-335 I just turn around because there know winning for me
And back in the day, This thing was even better too. Legit in a dive you could (and im not joking) out accelerate and catch a MiG-15Bis.
It definitely needs a nerfing and/or BR increase.
Update:
I downed an XP-50 in a lowly half-spaded Chinese Tony shortly after watching this video because I caught him at the bottom of of zoomin' on someone. So giddy I didn't even mind getting bounced by a P-51 seconds later.
It should be at 6.0 to make the XP-50 users suffer.
@@russman3787 just make it loose it airspawn. it will still end up at the average climb altitude. Its not like a ta 152 which would be 1.5km lower without the airpawn.
@@briannormant3622 I'm not interested in making it balanced. I want it to be the worst plane in the game.
@@russman3787 try to be realistic, it's a premium so people expect to be op, gaijin would never put a premium in a disadvantage because money. The only exception are very old premiums with tech tree equivalent like the D13. But if it the D9and D12 were not in the game Im pretty sure it would be at 4.3.
@@briannormant3622 I never said I was being realistic. If I had my way, that would be what happened to it.
I found most effective way to fight them is to use Swedish T-18 playing as heavy figher. So satisfying shooting them down, especially one time 3 of them, with 2 from same squad to boot
This plane is the sole reason I stopped playing props, because if the pilot knows what he's doing you can't do jack shit against it.
But if the pilot sucks or is inexperienced (me), it's an easy kill
One time I was like a kilo and a half above an XP-50, and he started climbing up at me to shoot at me. Admittedly, I made the mistake of not spiral climbing and making him stall, and instead dipped down towards him and dove on him. He immediately turned his nose vertically up towards me, and we killed each other in a head-on. He then started complaining in chat that I head-on'd him.
Yesterday I had to fight a 4 man squad of xp50s in my spit. Luckily they all tried turnfighting everyone they saw so we ended up winning but for a moment I was trying to solo 2-3 of them at the same time which wasn’t fun at all lol.
But honestly I think the su11 is more broken. There are atleast some planes that can counter the xp50 like the j2m, but the su11 will stomp any plane(short of a f84g) in an uptier, and in a downtier the su11 gets to fight props
F-84B can actually outrun that damn thing as well but the speed difference is as small as a dime
I got this plane from 10 year aniversary gift for free. Havent played much, but I will this weekend. Premium plane gives so much more silver lions in AB
My strategy to counter the XP-50 is to buy the XP-50 and play it because you can't counter it
I bought this back in December when it was half off, I didn't realize how strong it was compared to other planes.
The climbing is really just insane! I now really want it. (Even tho I don't play USA... at all) I was testing this plane, and I went AFK, because I have sucsessfully spilled out my tea, and when I went back at my testing, it was very high... like thousand of kilometers high.
Favorite strat for playing my halifax, fly with my bombs enjoy life, see 3 xp50s, go full 180, fly as far away from the combat area as possible. Of course being xp50 players they only chase me whole game. Waste their time as much as possible then rip my wings and deny them a kill. Just gotta waste their fun
The AAA in biplane matches is an absolute scourge. So many players just die to AAA at the start of the match.
Xo 50 should be 5.0
Literally flies like a 5.0 prop
Maybe even a bit better
Killing premium planes in my zero always heals me spiritually.
Thanks for encouraging players to buy this pos plane and making 4.0 more unplayable than it already is, pat yourself on the back on this one. 👍
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Womp womp
the worst part of this plane is how enjoyable I find 4.0 props if there isn't somebody in an xp-50. Like I love flying my 109 F4 or G2 or early p51s but this thin just ruins you
But... Most players who uses this are noobs lmao. They got shrekt in a dogfight against in a worse plane or in almost the same playing field. I killed them once in a 190 A1 and GOD, it feels so good.
@@mineshaft12 fair point I am often able to reverse em or at least survive but their presence means I can’t risk lots of fights or they’ll swoop down and kill me
@@bixcs2 true. They have a pretty good energy conservation but only in the hands of a good pilot.
Kinda like the Zeroes, P38, and other underrated. People think they're bad until they utilize its full potential. Reminds me how People said the Ki series are bad until you got hold of it and Tackle enemies left and right with ease. Most kills I got is like 3 kills and almost everyone is using a better plane than me.
I find that the premium Japanese 109 e7 is quite cheesy at 2.3 as well. It can clap bombers at its br with a short singular burst
Me being a experienced player in a FW-190a1: Hehehehe, boi, give that meat a good ol rub.
The XP-50 loves and hates speeds above 650 kph.
Glad it appeared in warbond shop then, looking at the vehicles in there to see which one is worth buying the most.
Literally planning to buy the P-51 pack and use the GE to buy this today. Can’t wait.
50% off today, just so y’all know.
Hehe profit
exactly what i did
Love hunting XP50s with my T18B 57
I bought this plane when it still had WEP and was at 3.7. It was even crazier back then
Trying to grind the Finnish line rn with the 109s is literally hell. So many of these things. The only thing I can counter these with is the T18 and abuse the bomber spawn to get above them.
Good video!
Yah I bought that one and have a blast I don't think I've ever finished below 2nd on the team with 7+ kills
This is the xp50… if ur looking to grind us mid tier… oh boy
I killed so many xp50 noobs in a yak 3 and bf 109 before, so you still have to be careful.
just got it and su-11 cus of sale. Thanks man, its cracked
The XP-50’s downsides would be it’s a pretty big plane (twin engine) and can be easily set on fire, as well as burning up.
At least in my experience
However most XP-50s I meet are either decent or one of the dumbest players I’ve ever seen.
I don't have a funny comment this thing is just over powered lmao
This video: *suddenly entering my recommendations*
Me: *Sips on coffee knowing I got this for free and making people suffer*
Would love to see more stuff on props
2:14 i remember till this day when my F11 F1 was set afire by mid map aa
I bought this thing a long time ago and for some reason I just don’t play it. It’s definitely an amazing grinder but I just love my P59 more than anything lol.
me in the middle of a dog fight xp-50 there's a juicy target
This reminded me how glad I am mid-map AA got nerfed, it feels SO GOOD to not get my oil/water insta-sniped 3 minutes into the match, assuming they didn't just delete my pilot before that -- now that almost never happens.
Mid map aa just part of gaijins money plot, I mean, with how high repair costs are, the aa shoots down the plane, then they have to pay sl, so then they buy a premium so the repair cost is small 😄
I hate fighting XP-50s more than Su-11, A10s or Su25. Having to take care of all aspect missiles isn't that much different from rear aspect ones, if anything people might waste them more often.
Su-11 is faster and can get 2km above you by pointing the nose up, but it's something it does against somewhat capable planes most of the time.
The XP-50 however, with it's BS flight model (irl it had stats roughly on par with some Bf110s...) can get above you despite side climbing and what-not after it already dived once for a free kill. And in props, that thing can dive on you at 600km/h+ while you're trying to climb at 300~, meaning it impacts the way you play on a strategic level unless it's flown by a very bad pilot.
If a Su-11 stall climbs 2km above you, it still risks getting collected by someone else quite easily. (And it's still disgusting)
XP-50 and Wyverns are in every one of my games
It once flew in to me, crippled my bomber and flew of
I got this a year ago when I got it 50% of and I choose to use this to shot down bombers. I know i will get hate for this but I love this plane slot because it is the easiest plane to get killed with in 4.0 in my opinion
The only thing that prevent XP-50 from getting 100% WR despite being an absolute broken vehicle is the US team itself lmao.
a fighter thats more faster and maneuverable than most fighters? lets give it an airspawn
i remember this plane is tad harder to deal with, but nothing wyvern cant handle
also undertiered
can go up to 6.0 easily, imo
The only reason I like midmap aa is when I'm the only airspawn fighting 6 enemies while my team is 8km away.
Mid map aaa sucks ass so much, it doesnt even defend stuff from ground attacks. It's just a random diceroll basically if you get to keep flying. I had matches where I had 3 kills and havent been hit once and some dude on a bofors beams me from 3km away and puts holes in every tank on my plane. "Just avoid aaa" How ?! it's everywhere it has crazy reach, you can only pray that rng doesnt kill you.
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im so LUCKY i got the xf5x in one of the 1th anniversary crates. yet to try it but with premium time it is sure gonna help me if i deciode to start the american tech tree.
My strategy against it is to dive because compression
Was flying out my new Pyörremyrsky yesterday to learn it and print some SL. Lost all dignity because I got relentlessly raped by an XP-50 squad two times in a row. Well if you can't beat them... guess I'll fly my XP-50 today.
(Pyör should counter the XP-50 quite well because of low speed performance. Need to get better with it)
i let them dive on me then just as they get close, turn sharply and fly around in a circle lol
pretty reliable method for me
lets go!!!!
Pyorremyrsky is one of a few planes that puts up a very equal fight.
I feel like Xp 50 outdives pyorremysky
@@jasonj59487 Then it locks up and is reversible. It dives better because it's heavier.
problem: exists
XP-50 users: c l i m b
I love fighting this plane, most of the people who use this thing tend to think they are beyond everybody in skill and tend to die when they dive on a target and attempt to climb in a straight line before getting distance
So I bought this and it’s like every other plane that you pay for with me at least. You absolutely dominate your first round. I think I got eight kills and then I played about 15 since then and I’ll get like one or two if I’m lucky I can’t outrun anything even if I’m 70. Mack. And I will dump my entire payload directly on Target and I won’t even get a critical hit, but they’ll turn around and shoot me down with one round.
I tried grinding Germany 4.3 to hopefully get to 5.7 where i am right now but im completely stumped because literally every match im in has at least 1 of these planes with a level 100 in it. There's usually multiple but i just don't even really care at this point. I've given up playing fighters at that br. All i do now is bomb one base, die and repeat until i get a plane that can hold it's own against it.
really op in sim too
Conviently I just bought the f5c pack and have some spare golden eagles, hehe hue hue
Bro preach about the aaa I have been killed so many times and every time it pisses me off. Fine base aa is to keep players away but now we can not go near any aaa anywhere near the map. Hell my frie d was shot down by friendly aaa In a dogfight the other day shits crazy
The XP-50 is absolutely pay to win. I'm trying to grind out German air vehicles and nothing can compete with this stupid little low tier menace. I've checked everything up to jets and this plane beats them all in every category
You can climb at 25°. You have guns with laser accuracy, all in the nose. You can outdive 95% of what you face even in an uptier. Heck, you can even outturn most planes. You can boom and zoom anything all day long. You can put the throttle at 99% and never overheat (gotta love the modelling on that). The only thing that limits the amount of kills you will accumulate is the low ammo on the 20s, you will usually win before you can rearm. It's extremely toxic, you teammates will hate you just as much as the enemy does. It also unlocks the entire US plane tree up to rank6 in about 10 days.
Flying it reduces IQ exponentially and shrivels up parts of your body that arent YT friendly. Definitely buy it if its on sale. If you own it, try not using the airspawn and starting 5 minutes late. You will still be the highest plane.
This thing almost made me quit the game when i was new
I swear to god the xp50 is the bane of my existence. Even when they're on my team the people that play the xp50 divebomb from space steal every kill in a 30-mile radius. There is also no reason a plane that's max speed is 700kph... is at 4.0 the first non-premium Russian plane that even gets close to 700kph is at 6.7 and it doesn't make it better than it has an amazing turn time and climb rate WITH AN AIR SPAWN. I really hope that warthunder nerfs this plane because it has been an absolute nightmare to play air realistic at 4.0 but I know warthunder will never nerf it because it makes them tons of money.
This thing mande my german rank 3 grind atrocious.
Its roll rate is kinda mid folks so if you can half competently defensively fly in something that does or your halfway okay at snap rolling with your rudder you can get away with forcing the overshoot, it's also pretty fragile so even 7.7s hurt it pretty bad
the only downside is that i compresses at high speed, and tends to float at low speeds making aim very difficult.
Why do I never die to it in the G.55. If i'm using anything else I have a greater chance of dying.
Most that fly this don’t know what they’re doing. I rarely get downed by them. Just stay high/fast and wait till you’re over them.
The US premium fw 190 a 8 should be your next vid.
Just found you, love the setup. Could you list the ammo and convergence you use if possible?
Convergence won’t matter, guns are nose mounted so unless you put it to 50m it’ll have little to no impact
convergence is only useful if you have wing mounted guns, just leave it at 600m for most things and 400m if you have some very low velocity canons like mk108s
the amount of money I've seen people grind with the 450% multiplier is just plain stupid. It's in the warbond shop now and I'm gonna grind for it so hard, you should too
It might be a good machine, but in 4.3 the weak players fear the strong and my spitfire mk IX keeps flying
I’m so bad that I’m unable to enjoy playing this thing
Bruh I got killed so fast by this thing so many times. I literally make sure to not be withi. 5 km of this thing
I just bought it for CAS, but HOLLY SHIT, It's fun to play in Air RB! I may burn in Hell for all eternity, but it was WAY WORTH IT :D
XP-50 is simply one of the best planes on its BR, you can buy it and it will be in top condition all the time (no need to grind for it like most of the people in AirRB have too), it has airspawn which is ridiculous for a plane with such great climb, it is like giving a goddamn J2M2 an airspawn and saying it's OK.
The only reliable way to win against XP-50 is having more braincells that XP-50 pilot, period. You have to be an idiot to loose to somebody lower than you while flying XP-50, simple as.
ITS 800 NOW LOL
The only aircraft that I know can rival this thing is the 109-F4
"You get an airspawn for [whatever] reason" It's not 'whatever', it's a very specific reason; incentivizing the p2w model. Can't even believe there's so much analysis about this gameplay, it's extremely simple.
Ok are small jet-themed CZcamsrs coordinating to make XP-50 videos right now or something.
Referring to seeker head? I was playing with him and a couple others who all have it, so I purchased to participate :)
The videos were coincidental though, I didn’t know he was making one haha
I love how this plane is getting all the love/hate all over again....its been in thr game for a LONG time, and it's always been a monster. It's like anything else low to mid tier, it'll goes from spammed to not so common and back again. Usually coincides with an event or patch(nerf or buff) or a CZcams vidja. Xf5f...xp55 (what a beast that USED to be in Arcade) a lot of the premiums are that way.
It's tough for Gaijin though in a way, folks buy a plane and expect it to perform the way they saw it displayed at the BR they bought it....Gaijin catches hell anytime they nerf a premium or change its BR. Which they sorta should, you expect to keep the bill of goods you were sold, it have them changed.
Hey !Do you know what amo to use plz ?