@@milorca4412 rabies is disease. It typically makes an animal a bit crazy, and animals with it are known to do odd things and stuff out of character. It can be transferred from animal to animal, which is why people need to avoid it too. And never be afraid to ask about something if your unsure! 😁
These cats live in a relatively small space with the same few cats all their lives and realisticaly they should know eachother well. Cats should have noticeable personalities, friendships and "enemies". Protagonists dont even seem to have friends other than other protags/family members anymore!
Ashfur the blonde edgelord. I’m currently developing fanclans and something I didn’t realise while I was making them? Is I *completely* missed out friend groups! I have all the families and histories and new roles and Prophecies and villains and traditions but...no friendship groups. It cause they just aren’t a THING in Warriors and with the amount of fun it was to create friend groups and each groups drama,they really should add them in! It’s fun and really fleshes out the world! Also Apprentices seem to be All Training or All Fun? They seem to be basically grown ups or idiot kids? Like no let them be teens with balanced lives and interesting relationships with their friends,family and mentor
YES. I /hate/ it when authors (in general, not just in Warriors) use the forced secretive-ness for no reason to create drama. There are better ways to create tension!
I think a re-adapatation of the series would be amazing if not another book series (highly improbably) I'd say a proper manga adaptation could be done quite well if the author cut the fat and fleshed out characters and character dynamics, with maybe 150 chapters a book series.
We dont even get to see her adapt to the new clan, we start of with shadowpaws perspective when she's already a perfectly respected member of ShadowClan.
Am I The only one who hated dovewing from the start and hates her now more because she changed clans ? She bothers me so much I wish holly leaf was one of the tree and dove wing never existed
me: hey erins? i think the fans want flawed cats with real personalities. erins: oh? ok, another tigerstar clone who is being judged for being a decendant of tigerstar! :D me: NO WAIT NOT THAT
@@ShadowSailor also one year late but cats at least still care about firestars legacy considering the next series will have the GREAT GRANDSON OF FIRESTAR feel pressure from his legacy, even though squirrelflight, alderheart, and sparkpelt are all alive and squirrelflight is. literally his child
@@ShadowSailor i mean i can kinda get it bc generations are closer together but literally every cat in thunderclan is somehow related to this man im begging yall to let him rest
@@iwakeupandboomimarat can we just neuter/spay all of Firestar's descendants also please let kittypets and rogues into the clan we need a bigger gene pool
Does anyone remember that Stormcloud was an abused kittypet? The erins can do so many things! They could give him a fear of specific things that relate to his twoleg hurting him. They could give him flashbacks. They could make him want to tell another cat, but he’s untrustworthy of them thinking they’ll hurt him! SO MANY THINGS COULD BE DONE YALL.
Voletooth was interesting, a traumatized, neglected former kittypet and was known for being skittish. SkyClan managed to reduce his fear. THEN HE VANIHSED, WHAT THE HELL?
Yellowfang should stop existing all together after what she did to Squirrelflight in Leafpool's Wish and for being a prick to Jayfeather in Omen of the Stars when StarClan was divided. She can get tossed on the c**** pile for all I care lol
@@TheRibottoStudios Hey, if you even read the ending of Yellowfang's Secret, you'd know why she's so grumpy. Just read the books, and you'll understand. :)
There's been atleast 1 forbidden relationship in every series (counting reused ones like DovexTiger) and yet some cats are still against them like "Oh sorry Dovewing I know you were born as Thunderclan but the Erin's need atleast one cat from every clan to be against half-clan relationships to not make any clan look better or worse than the other."
Yeah. Its (i know this is weird but im hanging on a limb here) like school. Alot of people with leaders or people or maybe rules telling them what to do. We don't all get along
I just wanna mention that Bluestar is my favourite cat because of how she let her feelings overwhelm her, and she was controlled by them. She got in a really bad state of mind and made bad choices because all of the really sad stuff that happened in her life, and well yea, I believe that seeing a character suffer is very much more interesting than a character that lives a simple happy life.
Twenty one Tigers bluestar was one of the best written cats, her book was an amazing read & really fleshed out clan life and actually did show Cat Drama between background characters!
TBH the biggest problem about "Twigbranch" is the fact that the editors changed it to that from "Twigshade", which is a much better and much more fitting name. It would've gone so perfectly with "Violetshine"! :(
The thing that bothers me most it that there are only TWO paths a cat can take, the life of a warrior, or the life of a medicine cat. I HATE THAT SO MUCH
A queen assistant, an entrance guard, a sort of representative to the other clans, someone like Brightheart who assists the meds when they’re struggling, someone assigned to help the elders, just to name a few. I’ll add more if there are more suggested
I couldn't have said it better, I always was surprised more time wasn't spent on the basic friendships between cats, that's one of the reasons I love the relationship between Firepaw, Greypaw, and Ravenpaw. The story followed them throughout their friendship, and for once it followed the idea of 'show, don't tell'. But then of course, Ravenpaw is sent to the barn. I really do wish there were more friend groups in these series, it could give the books a lot of depth.
If there is one thing I dislike the most about the warriors is the forced relationships/relationships that come out of thin air. A good example is Thunder and Violet Dawn, they literally talked to each other ONCE and BOOM, suddenly they're mates.
Agreed. I’m not done with the series, but a notable relationship Ive seen is squirrelflight and brambleclaw, they didn’t pop out of thin air. They hated eachother, went on adventures, loved eachother, hated eachother, and eventually loved eachother again.
greasy greece EXACTLYYYYYYYY omg I dislike thunder and violet dawn so so so much!! I think thunder and lightning tail was the cutest lol relationship ever tho, they even had battle moves named after each other I wish gay ships were canon tbh- although it is a weird ship, I think it’s cute
@@briella87 If they were canon, they'd be banned from some countries. The Erins know this, which is why they don't do canon gay ships. But a good example of how they manage to sneak in gay ships out of nowhere is the "sweat smell of Jake" Tallstar's always going on about.
So many people insist that the big problem with warriors is that theres too many characters existing. A criticism I have never seen in other series. This video illustrates the real problem with the clans. The erins don't know how to give them life. not every character needs to be an important side character, they just need some sort of life to them. But I doubt this will happen. My main pet peeve with the series is how nothing ever changes. Oh we had another forbidden romance are we ever going to consider the effectiveness of the rule against it, the quality of the results of the rule, and what things would be like if it didn't exist? never. Oh theres another tragedy that happened because we were all xenophobic and unwilling to help others? Are we going to start treating diplomacy like a normal thing in international politics like it is in the real world? no. Are we going to start treating people better? no. This is part of why we keep getting the same fascistic or generally leach like type of villains every other generation. no meaningful change happens in society so they will continue to be prone to these type of villains, and they never learn from the suffering that happens. It has gotten so bad that the writers have to tear apart their characters to get their creatively bankrupt ideas to work. The most egregious example is Tigerheart Who had perviously been a reasonable, creative. young guy who could look past clan boundaries to solve problems. This aspect of him is stripped in the raging storm to make him asshole leader of shadowclan who will callously drive out skyclan because hes an asshole and lacks the intelligence to see there is free real estate a block away. Had his character been kept from the previous books, the conflict would have either never started, or been over in 5 minutes. What we need is new stories. Not the same grandiose thing over and over. But After avos, I doubt this will happen.
To be fair it's not particularly /easy/ to handle a large cast of characters well when writing. The Erins are not good at writing with a large cast and it would have benefitted them to start small, but another author could have pulled it off.
@@fortressnearabridge I think pretty much any author could have pulled it off. There are other books with a setting that is large. Any story that takes place in any sort of town, village or city setting has a ton of characters we neither care about nor give a damn about but are still affected by gossip. Any high school setting will have at least as many characters in its roster as warriors if its not more. And no one is begging for them to die. Their gossip also effects the plot. The erins inability to do what many other writers can speaks to the fact they have very questionable abilities in writing.
@@Moonlitwatersofaqua Just because many other authors do it doesn't mean they do it /well/. The Erins are bad at it, yes, but they're not the only ones bad at it.
That sorta thing always got me. I love these books and that cats like to fuck so kits are inevitable, but I kinda wish the characters would at least think about could happen. I haven't read all the books yet so that might've happened.
Or how Bluefur decided to bang Oakheart even though as far as we know cat protection doesn't exist and they promised to only meet for a day, and then she's like "WHAAAAAT?! I'M PREGNANT?!"
I mean, you don't always automatically get pregnant everytime you have unprotected sex. I don't how many times they did it and I dont wanna know, but I don't think it's too unreasonable to be surprised.
I've read, watched, and played all types of books, films, and games with wonky and inconsistent world-building, "bad" or cliche plots, and odd or overdone storytelling methods and contrivances and saw each of them to the end because I believed in the relationship between the characters. If a gun were held to my head, I would probably agree that writing is the most important element of any story; however, I would add that characters are the reason most people come BACK to enjoy a series again and again. I can overlook a lot of things in the media I enjoy, but if I stop believing in the bonds the characters supposedly have with each other, I lose all sense of immersion and the narrative falls flat. Thank you for illustrating so eloquently how Warriors has failed in this regard, Moon! Always a pleasure to watch your videos!
Cup head is one of those games with a plot but a small one, though i love it- hardest game ever. This is true with cup head. if the characters didn't exist none of us in the cup head fandom would have never, ever played it.
I think this problem is 80% of why I want half the characters to die. As if maybe if there were fewer of them, it’d be easier to manage and they’d have to do better. Wishful thinking, probably
I remember a sweet scene between Cinderheart and Hollyleaf, it was after Cinder broke her leg and was doing rehab in the pool, and Holly came and spent some time with her. They gossiped and laughed as friends do, and it was honestly one of my favorite scenes
this is literally my ONLY problem with warriors too because in some capacity i can get behind all the silliness and half baked plots because it intentionally leaves room for some interpretive liberties but. goddarnit i want some REAL DEVELOPMENT. Its always Such a stab in the back when they implant this idea in your head and then Move on it from it/don't acknowledge it. And idk if this is because the authors aren't reading off each other... or intentionally sabotaging the plot points they don't agree with... but im losing my mind
i stopped reading the books just because i wasn’t invested after the last hope, and what i consider to be a mediocre, boring battle with a decent at best ending that ties up the loose ends without anything shocking, and after that i couldn’t get excited for anything else. i can remember being so excited to read the last hope, and after i did i just felt deprived and bored.
ørchid The book quality goes up significantly after TLH if you ask me. Characters actually get some kind of development. There’s a lot more of cats just screwing around and a lot less of shoddy subplots.
SparksFly honestly, the thing i’ve seen that’s irritating me the most is the amount of irrelevant side characters that only exist to fill up thunderclan, but the main characters do seem a lot more developed
I just "loved" how in the fire scene (Since you were discussing it) Ashfur openly admitted to helping assasinate Firestar, right in front of Squilf, Hollyleaf, Jayfeather, and Lionblaze, yet after the fire, they just dropped it. As if they could drop Firestar being assasinated and totally draw a blank. I remember just thinking, "oookkkaaayyy then"
I feel like the recent books have been so hard to get through because they end up being so boring because theres nothing stimulating to read a lot of the time.
REAL. it took me seven months to get through the fourth book in avos. I don't even remember it's name, or anything in it, all I remember is how I would pick it up out of boredom and get even more bored from it after like... a page. I don't even remember what the second half of that series was. lmao
Yes yes yes and yes! Even in previous arcs, we at least had SOME kind of idea of who these background characters were. Our protagonists had friends and relationships with cats around their age! Leafpool had Sorreltail, Holly Jay and Lion all had some meaningful interactions with Poppy, Cinder, and Honey, Berrynose was an arrogant jerk, and Foxleap was peppy and annoyed everyone. Oots gave Briar, Bumble, and Blossom real characters too! But in AVOS, we don't get any of that! We know nothing about the cats who were kits during or born after the Great Battle, and yet some of THEM are having kits now! Entire character relationships have been thrown out the window. Why didnt Brightheart grieve for Snowbush when he died? Why did Twigbranch never interact with Lilyheart or her foster siblings?
@@pebblemistofriverclan697 Ah, that explains it. I got through Night Whispers and decided I'd had enough. Have been trying to slog my way back through Fading Echoes for 4 months
I actually really like the idea of a friend group and for some reason or another, two of the friends get into a huge fight and the group ends up separating (like- the other friends don't know what to do, so they kind of separate themselves). Then the two friends - after they're done kicking trashcans over in anger - realize what their fight did to the group of friends and that they miss the good ol' days before deciding to come to terms with each other and get the friends back together. The rest are reluctant cause what if they fight again, before deciding "sure why not" and now they're good ol' friends! It's cliche, but it's a nice story. I don't remember this being done in Warriors, I hadn't read most the books in a while, so if this was already done, don't burn me alive please-
I'd kill to see this kind of character interaction and development in these books. My standards for what I expect writing-wise have fallen so low for this series. I've effectively stopped reading the books and just started opting for full spoilers, trying to see if there are any new ones worth taking the time to read
@@simmy0019 It's probably because most of these cats lived together at the start and the authors then had to figure out reasons for them to separate, which kind of forced them to give a little bit of personnality to everyone.
Yeah, what you got is like, she was raised by gray wing. (If this is dawn of the clans acorn fur) She misses her sibling(s?) which probably might leave her feeling sad sometimes, though she must be strong enough to cover it up, she is now my 3rd fav side character
ikr! it's because people control the specific cat instead of a group of peeps controlling 8584397584392 cats, and the person controlling their cat can make them have a personality
Imagine if Softpaw, the RiverClan apprentice Twigbranch saved in 'River of Fire, and Twigbranch became best friends in the new series. I wish that could happen because I wanted to see a more fleshed-out version of Softpaw and what her character is like!
Omg yes, i finished rereading that book a bit ago and YES Soft paw and Twig branch should be besties, Perhaps having nice chats at gatherings *FORBIDDEN ROMANCE NOISES APPROACHING*
I'm a simple person. Moonkitti uploads I stop what I'm doing and watch, comment, and like. Also, in terms of ThunderClan drama, the ONLY time we got cats arguing was when Dovewing returned with Tigerheartstar that one time and Jaybae was all "we wouldn't have this problem if cats remembered what LOYALTY was SQUIRRELFLIGHT" and she's all "DON'T BLAME ME FOR WHAT YOUR MOTHER DID!" and it was great and awesome and then completely forgotten about. I want more shiz like _that._ Alsooooo I _Swear to god_ if Yellowfang has as much screen time as a StarClan medicine cat guide person as she did in the previous arcs I'll throw The Broken Code into a fire. I want to see some Leafpool, Goosefeather, Featherwhisker, or hi CINDERPELT like hello she was kind of popular right? Come ON Erins Yellowfang sucks. No more Yellowfang.
@@dougwalker4313 In The Broken Code excerpt, Leafpool isn't on the allegiances list, and in Chapter One Shadowpaw mentions how Jayfeather is acting more grumpy than usual becuase he's mourning her, or something
@@ann.anthea that's why I added leafpool. I want to see her now that she's in starclan. But noooooooo we'll probably get more fucking yellowfang for wherever reason. Why do the Erins love her so much?
I mean if characters could interact and TALK ABOUT THEIR PERSONAL LIVES those chapters wouldn't be as bad!! But since characters dont have lives outside of plot all those chapters end up being is "oh nooo we saw another patrol and yelled at each other for no reason"
exactly i'd love a lot more chapters of cats chilling in the camp talking to each other, thinking about other cats, having proper conversations and dealing with relationships.
@@debodatta7398 GRAYSTRIPE AND FIREHEART WERE GOOD BECAUSE THEY WERE ACTUALLY FRIENDS and not just siblings!!! I am done with the main characters being siblings aGGHHHH
I mean there IS a logical side for it, it's a clan it's hard to make chapters that aren't inside the camp or patrolling, but the problems is these chapters aren't used for developing characters since for each patrol there is at least 3-4 cats. Also it's boring that even when there's not any real drama between clans they still yell at each other upon seeing another clan's patrol despite it being OBVIOUS that they are, too, patrolling
@@hydrashii but there are some personalities that want to cause drama because they hate the other clan or a member in the other clan. I wish there wasnt ALWAYS tension, but makes sense most of the time why the tension is there given all their history and relationships.
I swam to the notifications like RiverClan Clicked at the speed of WindClan Listened as quietly as ShadowClan (cause shadow) Punched the like with the strength of ThunderClan Jumped with glee like SkyClan and I love Moonkitti as much as the cats worship StarClan. This is terrible and it took 10 minuted to come up with but I listened to the whole video and loved it.
One example they should go off of that I really like is the whole thing with Berrynose/Honeyfern/Poppyfrost. They were background characters but we saw their relationship sometimes with how Berrynose fell for Honeyfern, Honeyfern's death, how he struggled and moved on, choosing Poppyfrost, Poppyfrost's anxiety that she was a second best mate and betraying her sister, and Honeyfern coming from StarClan to tell her she accepted them being mates. And this was a plot thread that sometimes came up when Lionblaze or someone was just sat around watching. It didn't take away anything from the main story and it wasnt drawn out or too focused on it was just there and made these random background cats actual characters with emotions. Id love to see something like that again
I also think there needs to be more political fighting within the clans like in the beginning of Tallstar’s Revenge, I really enjoyed the tunneler vs. moore-runner aspect of that book
How about this: ever since the clans moved to the lake, it seems like most of the traditional things, respect, and rules where left behind....now THATS triggering.
Ikr like are warrior ceremony vigils still a thing? Or every apprentice traveling to the moonstone/pool at least once? (disclaimer: I haven't actually read the books in awhile, so I really don't know)
@@emysry5896 the travel to the moon stone/pond is no longer a thing, and I think that the vigils are still a thing, I can't remember it's been a while.
@@maggpie_3943 Vigils are! Or well, sort of. They are pretty forgotten and I'm pretty sure the next time we actually see them is on Omen of the Stars as they mention Ivypool and Dovewing's vigil
@@emysry5896 vigils are, apprentices don't go to the moonstone/pool anymore. I remember Leafpool bringing it up during I think Apprentice's Quest? Not sure tho.
When you have so many characters, they can't give a personality to all of them without making it a huge chunk of the book, and when there are favourites, such as the three, Cloudtail, Greystripe, all those old classics, the authors want the focus and reactions on them because that's who we know, and that's who we want to know about how they feel. Instead of giving us that and moving on, these characters stick around, but for some reason they still write in new births and characters so we're left with overcrowding and cardboard cut outs for characters. Another example I think of is when Brightheat got jealous of Cloudtail training Daisy. That was an interesting point but we only saw it through Leafpool's eyes in her jealousy that Brightheart was helping her sister and saw no proper resolution other than a small apology from Daisy, but we never saw Cloudtail's side, or if Brightheart tried to bring it up and he just waved it off. All we saw was through the eyes of other characters, who were hardly interested in the story so we couldn't get much of it either. There are too many characters for the authors to care about where I honestly pray for some kind of meteor to just hit Thunderclan and wipe out half the cats so the others have room to breath. Give us something, Erin, anything!!
Normally don't comment on videos but... yes. You have caught the biggest warriors issue and, imo, the only one that really matters. Thank you. Perhaps this is why Ashfur went off the deep end. He was the only one with deep feelings. To the point it went out of control.
The best way we could get another one of these is if Thornclaw becomes angry that Bramblestar made him an elder in the next series. And so Thornclaw sets up the murder of Bramblestar and he takes half of Thunderclan to his side and it becomes internal warfare!!
SerpentMaster Armstrong ok I think the second part seemed very unnecessary for a sudden burst of bloodshed to appear. But I do think Thornclaw would refuse to retire and continues to push himself harder until he started to feel really bad and self conscious about himself and then Blossomfall tries to comfort him and tell him stuff that makes him feel less bad. And then he peacefully retires while being happy with his wife
*Ashfur stood on the log, the storm raging around him. His anger boiled up inside of him until he felt it overflow. His long, luscious locks of gorgeous blonde hair streaming in the wind.* I dunno ;-;
Moonkitti could never be more right. Background characters are forgotten and when I started reading the fifth arc I didn't even notice Hollytuft or any other character that has barely been mentioned and when they were mentioned I had to look them up. I'm sick of cats being important and then disappearing into the void of background characters. And I am especially sick of cats being born and dying offscreen. In your list of "blank slate" cats I only knew a few. I'm sick and tired of cats being forgotten and having no personality. The Erins could look at any school or work place and find quarrels between people; I don't see a Eason why this doesn't happen in the clans. Thanks for making this, Moon. I hope one of the editors finds it. Cats also forget who's related to who. There aren't favorite siblings, and no one remembers their uncle Jayfeather. Also I find that siblings don't have fights (despite Dovewing and a Ivypool, who I adore.)
Im glad you mentioned leafpool and sorreltails friendship because ive been rereading the books and i wish their friendship could have re kindled after the crowfeather mess. I wish they could have reconnected because leafpool needed support and given sorreltails character shed be very willing to offer it. But come series three theyre perfect strangers and its really sad. It was mentioned that they USED to be friends but they dont act like it at all
Whenever anyone talks in warriors I take a deep breath and pray that our protagonist might have some friends or enemies INSIDE their Clan. and then i let that breath out with all of those thoughts because it will never happen. TALK TO EACH OTHER GUYS
honestly, one of my favorite characters in the series is brackenfur. i always remembered his character from the get-go, because he was an apprentice singled out by fireheart when graystripe abandoned his mentorship duties. i always liked to imagine that brackenfur was a hard-working, veteran warrior who learned disipline from the two best warriors in the clan. he is quite a memorable character for me, as he was always the respectful one of two siblings (cinderpaw.) honestly, i really miss little character personalities like that. brackenfur was collected, resepctful and determined to do his best. you could see that in the text, so why doesn't every character have this kind of development? another point is runningwind. I REALLY LIKED RUNNINGWIND. he was smart, a little charming and logistical. he didn't get into clan skirmishes, and guides fireheart through his troubles in some chapters. man, all these little characterizations i really miss, because they were REALLY LOST in the second series. sorry for the long paragraph, but my love for brackenfur came out a little.
Thank God someone finally said it HDKDHDK I don't need every background character to have a full arc or anything but some consistent character quirks/personality and actual chemistry (both positive and negative) between each other is something this series definitely misses out on a lot and the different relationships could definitely make a lot of plots more interesting and complex not to mention a lot more satisfying on completion because it wouldn't be just the main characters affected by these major events, they would resonate with Most of the characters around them as well. The clans bonds right now seem to begin and end with nationality and it shouldn't be considering that living in such close quarters and working with each other regularly to survive means that no two cats in the same clan should be complete strangers. This is a problem with the series that I've been trying to work towards fixing in the fanfic I play with every now and then and I didn't even fully realize it until now, thank you for putting it into words. You're a genius and I agree wholeheartedly.
*Hey Thornclaw, wanna go on patrol?* _No._ *Why?! You're life purpose is to go on patrols!* _You scared away my rabbit and ate the last thrush in the fresh kill pile. And you know how much I love thrush._ *But that was yesterday!* _I don't care, I'm still mad at you._ (If only these things happened every so often in Warriors)
I remember one scene where Spiderleg says something insulting to Stormfur in one of the books of PO3. It was kind of eye-opening re-reading it in my 20s because it suddenly occurred to me that these cats have to work with cats they might not get along with. I wish there was more exploration of that.
To be honest, warriors is a very flawed book series, plot wise and maybe in different ways that I haven't noticed yet. But that's kinda why I like it. The same might be true for others. Most people have more flaws then good traits. I know I do. And maybe we look at these books and see ourselves. Maybe we read it, and we read ourselves. Oooor maybe we just like to read about cats fighting, having kits and dying. While slightly useless dead starcats watch and sometimes give useless warnings. I still love it tho.
This is why dawn of the clans is my favorite arc, I feel like cats characters are more flushed out and there’s actual family/relationship drama that doesn’t just end in nothing happening.
One of the problems ive had with the newer books is how they focus on blood relationships so much. To me, the whole clan is your family so its not so important who is actually related to you. After all, one thing that makes family special is growing up together, but in the clan you grow up around all these different these cats- so why only talk to/care about your siblings, parents and mate? They make friends, but it's always with a cat from another clan or because they're gonna fall in love (or both). I loved Yellowfang and Firepaw. He cared for her and she saw him as the son she never had. I liked Sandpaw and Dustpaw bullying Firepaw and Greypaw. And just in general seeing how the apprentices benefited from caring for the elders, how it taught them honor and responsibility. Now its only mentioned as a punishment- a burden. What happened to kits/apprentices listening to the elders tell stories? Anyway, I don't know; I just kind of feel like the cats are so focused on drama they disregard the warrior code, have no sense of community, and disrespect their leaders and mentors WAY too often. It's annoying. I was a well behaved child so I don't identify with brats (cough that's why I hated Squirrelpaw cough I couldn't even finish that book she was so annoying coughity cough but I'm over it now cough sorry I have bronchitis cough)
My theory about forbidden relationships is that the authors don't want kin and the main characters to be freaking married. But this theory doesn't make sense because they literally made one of the main character's parents hook up and had kids, even though they're like. . . siblings?
At least they realized what they did and rewrote his family tree, I guess. But yeah, forbidden relationships are better for this reason. I guess the other ideas would be bringing in nonclan cats would become a trope also, or giving personality to other clan cats, which I would hope becomes a trope. :)
I don't think the Erins really write down their family trees, to be honest. If they just had a "story bible" maybe character personalities, relationships, and plot points would actually make sense.
@@fortressnearabridge Yep, they really need one. Apparently in the past they've used the Warriors wiki, but that's hardly a definitive source since anyone can edit it. I think they're all worried to contradict personalities with background cats, but even some notes would be good: Ie; "Scratchfur: Short tempered, dislikes so-and-so, siblings of Greyclaw and Spiketail, wants to one day be leader so hopes to prove herself".
I’ve heard the excuse for these problems is that there’s too large of a cast but my rebuttal to that is that if my eleven year old self was able to make an entire 39 chapter fanfiction with three entirely new Clans filled with a whole new cast of cats, each named and interconnected to the other cats and I was able to write (very poorly spelled and terribly paced) relationships between them and follow up on them why can’t professional published authors. Edit: also i wrote a cat then actually named violetshine (she was a ginger tabby with bright blue eyes and the med cats best friend) and someone on fanfiction.net told me that a cat would never be named violetshine bc cats don’t know what violets are (?????) so ha get wrecked random internet person
One thing that has been irritating me with the relationships as I read the newer books is that when two cats are mentioned interacting outside their immediate family they become mates by the end of the series. They don't interact with anybody else aside from being briefly mentioned patrolling with their clanmates. The characters talk to kin, their mentor, or their mate. No wonder everybody gets slaphappy when something happens now. They don't have friends to calm down with anymore.
You brought up a amazing point I never relized that is a problem with the books. Ashfur's story and that fire scene we all know and love is THE MOST if not one of the most memorable scenes in the entire warrior cats series. I remeber that scene FAR better than the final battle the cats had with the dark forest cats. Like that betrayal and shock is my favorite part of any of the books and thats why The Power of Three part of the series is my favorite! That scene held so much shock and horror and it was spectacular and we should have more drama like that because it obviously worked! Honestly too thats also why I liked Hollyleaf telling the clans about Leafpools betrayal and I loved it and it was great to see that emotional trama! It kind of reminds me of Loki from Marvel in a way and his being mad and struggling with the fact he's adopted! Obviously they are very different but I still love the idea of a very emotional personal struggle. Hollyleaf had trouble finding a way to cope with the news and her idea of coping was killing Ashfur. It's amazing honestly and I love how Hollyleaf was a cat with a love for the code and when she found out she was a product of code breaking it hurt her and her morals. Its stuff like this I relize is my favorite part of the book! And you're right there should be WAY more of this and I never relized that's what the series was missing. Another good and older excample is the relationship between Tallstar and Firestar. There wasn't any BIG drama but it was still a meaning relationship that effected WindClan and ThunderClan later. Or Onestar and Firestar's falling friendship could have had more and they could have done somthing special with it. (I haven't read the new books so maybe they did?). Either way you get what I mean hopefully.
This is actually..a really good analysis. There's always been something about Warriors friendships that bothered me that I never quite put my finger on, and you explained it perfectly
My biggest problem is probably relationships being forced on cats when they'd be better off solo. For example, let's take Ivypool and Blossomfall. They've always seemed like the type of she-cats who would be kind of better off alone, like when Ivypool turned against Hawkfrost and the Dark Forest I personally determined it would be great for her to not take a mate, or maybe take a she-cat as a mate. But no, she got Fernsong thrown at her and had "Thriftkit". Just because her sister had kits. Same with Blossomfall, she got flung into a relationship with a warrior who was a lot older than her. Going back to possibly having LGBTQ+ cats, there have been tons of Warriors books now and the only implied same sex relationship was Ravenpaw x Barley. I personally feel like some other cats would be better off LGBTQ+, such as Hollyleaf, Ivypool etc. Anyway, thanks for listening to my mini rant lol, ty.
I don't feel that Ivy would have been better off with a female mate, but I do think that they should have worked on what her and Fern's relationship are like. (Not being homophobic or anything, but just cause you think certain gay ships would have been better, doesn't mean they really would have been.)
I'm actually happy you pointed this out. It was an element of the books that kinda flew over my head for years, and I never really paid attention to it. I only recently noticed after skimming through a few different books how the clan cats seem pretty dull, especially when interacting with each other; but I never went into detail like you did in trying to discover the core reason as to why. Seriously thank you for saying this.
I've been slowly catching up with the main series books, and i noticed the further i got, the less i could remember the background cats... and I think this is the reason for it. You barely hear any of them say or do anything unique anymore, so the character just won't form in my head.
My problem with Warrior Cats is that everyone seems to have the same voice tone and style which is really annoying. WOF is better at various voice tones.
WOF is wonderful about this kind of thing with character relationships. I think it may be because there's only one author working on the series most of the time so she can keep track of the consistent character interactions.
This is what's worrying me about Lost Stars, which is on the brink of release in just a few days. If this gonna be another arc filled with unnecessary characters for the sake of shipping fan service, plots that do nothing extraordinary to our main character's development, or conflicts that drag on in Shrek's swamp for way too long, I'm not gonna be satisfied. It's probably due to Harper Collins' strict writing schedule for pumping out 2 books a year, but until we get an official statement from Kate Cary, I'm gonna read the book and hope to not give up after 50 pages.
I think this is why we all like fan-made content (maps, parody videos, etc) so much, because it explores character relationships in ways the books never do. Also why fan-made content is so fun to make, there are so many blank slates you can pretty much make anything about any character you want.
This is literally what bothers me do much in Warrior Cats, but I could never find the correct words to describe. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GIVING ME THIS VIDEO AA
I have TWO big problems about warriors. 1. It is SO slow. It takes several books for anything to happen and half the conflict is gatherings and battle training. 2. Personality is basically non-existent and when it isnt you cant even tell. In other franchises like wof, everything a character does reflects their personality, but in warriors, Every mother is just a caring mother who wants to take care of her kits... Except rainflower, every warrior is just a loyal warrior who wants to protect their clan, every kit is just a tiny child who likes to mess around. GIVE US SOME HECKIN VARIETY
I hate when blood relations are ignored bc the Erins forget about them. Like one scene from Moonlight in TNP, when Leafpaw saves Reedpaw of RiverClan after he almost drowns. Mistyfoot is there, and tho she is upset and worried abt him, they completely neglect to work in the fact that she's his MOTHER.
I’ve always noticed how in the books, Leafpool’s forbidden relationship was a massive uproar. Yet many others, and I’m sure everyone in the books knew about Spotted and Fire’s feelings, are completely okay. Like how Greystripe was just accepted into River, then right back to Thunder? Yet Mapleshade was exiled from BOTH Clans.
The clans need to have the gossip, friendship groups, and relationships of a high school. It would make them seem like they actually have a life other than fighting with the other clans. Almost all of my favorite parts are when warriors/elders/queens/apprentices gossip at gatherings, it just makes them seem more relatable.
Ok.the clans problem is.... Windclan need more protection Shadowclan needs good leaders Thunderclan needs to stop loving cats outside there clan Riverclan needs to see what is happening outside there clan Srry that’s what I see so far in all the books I’m on the new prophecy book 4
I think the main thing, (probably not the only thing though) that causes these kinds of issues with the books is the fact that theres just. too many authors. It feels like they all just email eachother compromises endlessly until theyve turned a perfectly good set of characters into three cats they keep disagreeing on and a pile of cardboard cutouts. I understand that they have multiple authors to make the series faster because its so popular, but honestly, warrior cats would probably be a lot better if it was written by one person really passionate about this world theyve made rather than a group of people who mostly only care about profit. (Note; this is mostly based on speculation i am probably wildly wrong some points and tbh im writing this b4 i finish watching this video)
Yep, I agree completely. The thing that gets me the most is they always retract their statements Kate Cary: “Oh! Thistleclaw was originally in StarClan but Bluestar chased him out!” Kate Cary 0.00002 seconds later: “Oop never mind lol! He always was in The Dark Forest!” If there should be one author writing the series is should be Cherith. She hardly ever retracts her statements, but that’s been just my opinion lol
I see what you're saying, and in fact I hadn't ever really thought of it before. I love Warriors but the books would be enriched so much more if they implemented real character dynamics. That's why for my series that I'm writing (it's kind of like Warriors but with dogs I'm so original lel) I sat down and wrote personalities for literally every single character, even if it was just some basic traits. I feel really good knowing I can show each character's individual personality, even if it's subtle.
I think this might’ve been the reason I dropped Warriors after Vision of Shadows actually, I was BORED. I absolutely loved Alderheart and latched onto him as a favorite character, but they didn’t really DO anything with his character. He was different from many Warriors protags in his anxiety and self-doubt but I wish they would’ve developed him further. In conclusion, justice for Alderheart💛
As someone who aspires to be a fantasy writer and write books prob similar to warrior cats, I love hearing what people like and don't like in things they read and learn from others' mistakes on how I could improve my own writing :D
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You know what would fix all of these problems? Rabies.
It would be something different
I’m not the best at English ;-;
What are Rabies?
@@milorca4412 a disease from dogs and rats
Annarwhal ùwú it makes the animals crazy and makes their mouth froth, and it will make them attack and it’s highly contagious
@@milorca4412 rabies is disease. It typically makes an animal a bit crazy, and animals with it are known to do odd things and stuff out of character. It can be transferred from animal to animal, which is why people need to avoid it too.
And never be afraid to ask about something if your unsure! 😁
Another small problem is mentor-apprentice relationships not being very important.
Agreed.
Yeah
Swiftpaw and Longtail's relationship really should've been more important in the books
Has anyone ever told you you’re the Justin Y of Moonkitti videos?
@@tetractyz oooof
These cats live in a relatively small space with the same few cats all their lives and realisticaly they should know eachother well. Cats should have noticeable personalities, friendships and "enemies". Protagonists dont even seem to have friends other than other protags/family members anymore!
Ashfur the blonde edgelord IKR?
Ashfur the blonde edgelord. I’m currently developing fanclans and something I didn’t realise while I was making them? Is I *completely* missed out friend groups! I have all the families and histories and new roles and Prophecies and villains and traditions but...no friendship groups. It cause they just aren’t a THING in Warriors and with the amount of fun it was to create friend groups and each groups drama,they really should add them in! It’s fun and really fleshes out the world! Also Apprentices seem to be All Training or All Fun? They seem to be basically grown ups or idiot kids? Like no let them be teens with balanced lives and interesting relationships with their friends,family and mentor
Ashfur the blonde edgelord ASHFUR THE BLONDE BACE AT IT AGAIN!! 😎🤣 Let us all praise our gorgeous-haired looking leader 🙏
I know right, I see you every where lol
MED CATS ARENT ALLOWED TO HAVE........FRIENDS
If the cats would just TALK to each other, half their problems would be solved.
Indeed
That's in real life too though. People just need to talk about things.
YES. I /hate/ it when authors (in general, not just in Warriors) use the forced secretive-ness for no reason to create drama. There are better ways to create tension!
but then we wouldn't have a book lol
369 likes!
I wanted the character dynamics of clanlife so bad I went off to write fanfic with friends fixing this problem. *eyes StarClan Battles*
@@Emma-eq8pm I would read it!
Yeeess
I think a re-adapatation of the series would be amazing if not another book series (highly improbably) I'd say a proper manga adaptation could be done quite well if the author cut the fat and fleshed out characters and character dynamics, with maybe 150 chapters a book series.
I read it ;)
Starclan wars: the phantom menace
dovewing: *moves to another clan*
whitewing/birchfall: what's a dovewing
Best parents of the year
XD true
We dont even get to see her adapt to the new clan, we start of with shadowpaws perspective when she's already a perfectly respected member of ShadowClan.
And me: 😔 why StarClan why
Am I The only one who hated dovewing from the start and hates her now more because she changed clans ? She bothers me so much I wish holly leaf was one of the tree and dove wing never existed
me: hey erins? i think the fans want flawed cats with real personalities.
erins: oh? ok, another tigerstar clone who is being judged for being a decendant of tigerstar! :D
me: NO WAIT NOT THAT
Voch 123 Yea Tigerheart’s personality got completely thrown out the window after he became leader
TheRandomWolf that’s debatable
@@ShadowSailor also one year late but cats at least still care about firestars legacy considering the next series will have the GREAT GRANDSON OF FIRESTAR feel pressure from his legacy, even though squirrelflight, alderheart, and sparkpelt are all alive and squirrelflight is. literally his child
@@ShadowSailor i mean i can kinda get it bc generations are closer together but literally every cat in thunderclan is somehow related to this man im begging yall to let him rest
@@iwakeupandboomimarat can we just neuter/spay all of Firestar's descendants
also please let kittypets and rogues into the clan we need a bigger gene pool
Does anyone remember that Stormcloud was an abused kittypet? The erins can do so many things! They could give him a fear of specific things that relate to his twoleg hurting him. They could give him flashbacks. They could make him want to tell another cat, but he’s untrustworthy of them thinking they’ll hurt him! SO MANY THINGS COULD BE DONE YALL.
Saphy the lil' demonic one
YES FINALLY SOMEONE REALIZES
Voletooth was interesting, a traumatized, neglected former kittypet and was known for being skittish. SkyClan managed to reduce his fear. THEN HE VANIHSED, WHAT THE HELL?
I love your pfp omg yessss XD
Guys it was Shrewtooth.
And he should have a fear of water bc of the flood
YellowFang should just stop eating kits and everything will be okay
Nugget :3
So THAT’S why her teeth are yellow
Yellowfang should stop existing all together after what she did to Squirrelflight in Leafpool's Wish and for being a prick to Jayfeather in Omen of the Stars when StarClan was divided. She can get tossed on the c**** pile for all I care lol
HOI NUGGO
*Agreed*
@@TheRibottoStudios Hey, if you even read the ending of Yellowfang's Secret, you'd know why she's so grumpy. Just read the books, and you'll understand. :)
My biggest problem is that they don't address the fact that Jake is everyones Dad.
Jake is my dad
Jake is his dad
Jake is her dad
Jake is anyone's dad
Jake is everyone's dad
Jake is it's dad
Jake is himself's dad
...Wait what?
Jake is *dad*
JakeDad
Jake is your dad.
And your friend's.
And your friend's friend's.
Wait you don't have those, do you? Hm.
*There's a lot of problems with Warrior Cats that we don't talk about.*
I think its time for you to have a profile picture change 👀
Hayden H 😡
@@stuckfart yes
*Like Graystripe's parents?*
There's been atleast 1 forbidden relationship in every series (counting reused ones like DovexTiger) and yet some cats are still against them like "Oh sorry Dovewing I know you were born as Thunderclan but the Erin's need atleast one cat from every clan to be against half-clan relationships to not make any clan look better or worse than the other."
It’s actually SO UNREALISTIC tho. Like how does everyone get along the whole time?
Thank youuuu
It’s bramble time
Yeah. Its (i know this is weird but im hanging on a limb here) like school. Alot of people with leaders or people or maybe rules telling them what to do. We don't all get along
And how are leaders given nine lives?
It's a fiction book akskkeiencqkkskskeoowlsksk-
I just wanna mention that Bluestar is my favourite cat because of how she let her feelings overwhelm her, and she was controlled by them. She got in a really bad state of mind and made bad choices because all of the really sad stuff that happened in her life, and well yea, I believe that seeing a character suffer is very much more interesting than a character that lives a simple happy life.
Same
Twenty one Tigers
Same!
Agreed
Honestly, true
Twenty one Tigers bluestar was one of the best written cats, her book was an amazing read & really fleshed out clan life and actually did show Cat Drama between background characters!
TBH the biggest problem about "Twigbranch" is the fact that the editors changed it to that from "Twigshade", which is a much better and much more fitting name. It would've gone so perfectly with "Violetshine"! :(
Twigbranch has grown on me
I'm good with the name Twigbranch and like it more but oh gosh Twigshade would go great with Violetshine :0
Keznen twigbranch sounds cute. It also suits her because she is an innocent child.
her name was ruined once her prefix was twig lets be honest
@@Mythicalwaters I liked the prefix twig, personally.
*My exact same issue.*
And lol I love how the Warriors fandom just absent-mindedly named it *the fire scene* 🔥
hi rayumi uwu
we're very literal i guess
The thing that bothers me most it that there are only TWO paths a cat can take, the life of a warrior, or the life of a medicine cat. I HATE THAT SO MUCH
Other than adding leader to that, what other paths could there be?
And leaders... or becoming kittypets and rouges.. what were you saying again?
A queen assistant, an entrance guard, a sort of representative to the other clans, someone like Brightheart who assists the meds when they’re struggling, someone assigned to help the elders, just to name a few. I’ll add more if there are more suggested
@@skraskratatarobloxghetto939 I was talking more inside clan life, yes they can become rouges and kittypets but I was just focusing on clan jobs
Dawn Polk I see. Still, PhantomStars point remains
I couldn't have said it better, I always was surprised more time wasn't spent on the basic friendships between cats, that's one of the reasons I love the relationship between Firepaw, Greypaw, and Ravenpaw. The story followed them throughout their friendship, and for once it followed the idea of 'show, don't tell'. But then of course, Ravenpaw is sent to the barn. I really do wish there were more friend groups in these series, it could give the books a lot of depth.
yes!! i remember feeling heartbroken that they threw away firestar and onewhisker star
@@swamp8679 oh my gosh yes! I loved firestar and onewhisker, its such a shame it was discarded, even if for chracter reasons.
If there is one thing I dislike the most about the warriors is the forced relationships/relationships that come out of thin air. A good example is Thunder and Violet Dawn, they literally talked to each other ONCE and BOOM, suddenly they're mates.
Agreed. I’m not done with the series, but a notable relationship Ive seen is squirrelflight and brambleclaw, they didn’t pop out of thin air. They hated eachother, went on adventures, loved eachother, hated eachother, and eventually loved eachother again.
But Violet Dawn is HAWT and clearly that's all you need to establish a relationship! /sarcasm
greasy greece EXACTLYYYYYYYY omg I dislike thunder and violet dawn so so so much!!
I think thunder and lightning tail was the cutest lol relationship ever tho, they even had battle moves named after each other
I wish gay ships were canon tbh- although it is a weird ship, I think it’s cute
Clear sky and storm-
@@briella87 If they were canon, they'd be banned from some countries. The Erins know this, which is why they don't do canon gay ships. But a good example of how they manage to sneak in gay ships out of nowhere is the "sweat smell of Jake" Tallstar's always going on about.
So many people insist that the big problem with warriors is that theres too many characters existing. A criticism I have never seen in other series. This video illustrates the real problem with the clans. The erins don't know how to give them life. not every character needs to be an important side character, they just need some sort of life to them. But I doubt this will happen.
My main pet peeve with the series is how nothing ever changes. Oh we had another forbidden romance are we ever going to consider the effectiveness of the rule against it, the quality of the results of the rule, and what things would be like if it didn't exist? never. Oh theres another tragedy that happened because we were all xenophobic and unwilling to help others? Are we going to start treating diplomacy like a normal thing in international politics like it is in the real world? no. Are we going to start treating people better? no. This is part of why we keep getting the same fascistic or generally leach like type of villains every other generation. no meaningful change happens in society so they will continue to be prone to these type of villains, and they never learn from the suffering that happens. It has gotten so bad that the writers have to tear apart their characters to get their creatively bankrupt ideas to work. The most egregious example is Tigerheart Who had perviously been a reasonable, creative. young guy who could look past clan boundaries to solve problems. This aspect of him is stripped in the raging storm to make him asshole leader of shadowclan who will callously drive out skyclan because hes an asshole and lacks the intelligence to see there is free real estate a block away. Had his character been kept from the previous books, the conflict would have either never started, or been over in 5 minutes. What we need is new stories. Not the same grandiose thing over and over. But After avos, I doubt this will happen.
To be fair it's not particularly /easy/ to handle a large cast of characters well when writing. The Erins are not good at writing with a large cast and it would have benefitted them to start small, but another author could have pulled it off.
@@fortressnearabridge I think pretty much any author could have pulled it off. There are other books with a setting that is large. Any story that takes place in any sort of town, village or city setting has a ton of characters we neither care about nor give a damn about but are still affected by gossip. Any high school setting will have at least as many characters in its roster as warriors if its not more. And no one is begging for them to die. Their gossip also effects the plot. The erins inability to do what many other writers can speaks to the fact they have very questionable abilities in writing.
@@Moonlitwatersofaqua Just because many other authors do it doesn't mean they do it /well/. The Erins are bad at it, yes, but they're not the only ones bad at it.
@@fortressnearabridge that doesn't matter. they are still bad it so the series suffers.
@@Moonlitwatersofaqua Er, yeah, I'm not disagreeing with /that/.
Why was violetshine surprised when she got pregnant lol, like “omg I thought we used a condom how is this possible”
That sorta thing always got me. I love these books and that cats like to fuck so kits are inevitable, but I kinda wish the characters would at least think about could happen. I haven't read all the books yet so that might've happened.
Maybe I shouldn’t of read the comment section. I’m on Shattered Sky
Or how Bluefur decided to bang Oakheart even though as far as we know cat protection doesn't exist and they promised to only meet for a day, and then she's like "WHAAAAAT?! I'M PREGNANT?!"
Tendo64 Why’d she even do it? She knew him for, like, 2 hours
I mean, you don't always automatically get pregnant everytime you have unprotected sex. I don't how many times they did it and I dont wanna know, but I don't think it's too unreasonable to be surprised.
I've read, watched, and played all types of books, films, and games with wonky and inconsistent world-building, "bad" or cliche plots, and odd or overdone storytelling methods and contrivances and saw each of them to the end because I believed in the relationship between the characters.
If a gun were held to my head, I would probably agree that writing is the most important element of any story; however, I would add that characters are the reason most people come BACK to enjoy a series again and again. I can overlook a lot of things in the media I enjoy, but if I stop believing in the bonds the characters supposedly have with each other, I lose all sense of immersion and the narrative falls flat.
Thank you for illustrating so eloquently how Warriors has failed in this regard, Moon! Always a pleasure to watch your videos!
Cup head is one of those games with a plot but a small one, though i love it- hardest game ever. This is true with cup head. if the characters didn't exist none of us in the cup head fandom would have never, ever played it.
It took literally one thing for me to like Sorrelstripe...
Her naming one of her kits Myrtlekit.
Jackyoshi I love myrtlekit
How do you even pronounce that
I just hope she's really whiney so I have an excuse to call her Moaning Myrtle
@@kittenmitten2948 like turtle, but with an m
What would myrtle be in nature I only know its a name
Actually, I think Thornclaw’s motivation is to join the dawn patrol
No. ITS TO JOIN THE PATROL PATROL. Which is where you patrol patrols and patrol everything and hunt and ohhhhhhhh.......
I think this problem is 80% of why I want half the characters to die. As if maybe if there were fewer of them, it’d be easier to manage and they’d have to do better. Wishful thinking, probably
Not to forget the sheer amount of mistakes each book has just because they have too many.
@@dropthehatantonycraft7516 like the leopardstars honor allegiances for example, theyre horrifying
@@lunar-light7192 Or the many accidental family tree mixes.
@@dropthehatantonycraft7516 graystripes parents...
I remember a sweet scene between Cinderheart and Hollyleaf, it was after Cinder broke her leg and was doing rehab in the pool, and Holly came and spent some time with her. They gossiped and laughed as friends do, and it was honestly one of my favorite scenes
this is literally my ONLY problem with warriors too because in some capacity i can get behind all the silliness and half baked plots because it intentionally leaves room for some interpretive liberties but. goddarnit i want some REAL DEVELOPMENT. Its always Such a stab in the back when they implant this idea in your head and then Move on it from it/don't acknowledge it. And idk if this is because the authors aren't reading off each other... or intentionally sabotaging the plot points they don't agree with... but im losing my mind
i stopped reading the books just because i wasn’t invested after the last hope, and what i consider to be a mediocre, boring battle with a decent at best ending that ties up the loose ends without anything shocking, and after that i couldn’t get excited for anything else. i can remember being so excited to read the last hope, and after i did i just felt deprived and bored.
Thanks for letting us know.
ørchid
The book quality goes up significantly after TLH if you ask me. Characters actually get some kind of development. There’s a lot more of cats just screwing around and a lot less of shoddy subplots.
SparksFly honestly, the thing i’ve seen that’s irritating me the most is the amount of irrelevant side characters that only exist to fill up thunderclan, but the main characters do seem a lot more developed
Hayden H i know it’s been three months but this comment haunts me at night. are u insulting me
im baby what they should have done is made hollyleaf the 4th cat
I just "loved" how in the fire scene (Since you were discussing it) Ashfur openly admitted to helping assasinate Firestar, right in front of Squilf, Hollyleaf, Jayfeather, and Lionblaze, yet after the fire, they just dropped it. As if they could drop Firestar being assasinated and totally draw a blank. I remember just thinking, "oookkkaaayyy then"
I feel like the recent books have been so hard to get through because they end up being so boring because theres nothing stimulating to read a lot of the time.
REAL. it took me seven months to get through the fourth book in avos. I don't even remember it's name, or anything in it, all I remember is how I would pick it up out of boredom and get even more bored from it after like... a page. I don't even remember what the second half of that series was. lmao
Yes yes yes and yes!
Even in previous arcs, we at least had SOME kind of idea of who these background characters were. Our protagonists had friends and relationships with cats around their age! Leafpool had Sorreltail, Holly Jay and Lion all had some meaningful interactions with Poppy, Cinder, and Honey, Berrynose was an arrogant jerk, and Foxleap was peppy and annoyed everyone. Oots gave Briar, Bumble, and Blossom real characters too!
But in AVOS, we don't get any of that! We know nothing about the cats who were kits during or born after the Great Battle, and yet some of THEM are having kits now! Entire character relationships have been thrown out the window. Why didnt Brightheart grieve for Snowbush when he died? Why did Twigbranch never interact with Lilyheart or her foster siblings?
Wait, Brightheart had kids other than Whitewing and whoever Whitewing's sibling was?
@@bengal4047 Yeah, she and Cloudtail are the parents of Snowbush, Dewnose, and Ambermoon
@@pebblemistofriverclan697 Man, when did *that* happen? There's so many nothing characters, they're hard to keep track of
@@bengal4047 I know! I only remember that because they were kits in The Last Hope
@@pebblemistofriverclan697 Ah, that explains it. I got through Night Whispers and decided I'd had enough. Have been trying to slog my way back through Fading Echoes for 4 months
I actually really like the idea of a friend group and for some reason or another, two of the friends get into a huge fight and the group ends up separating (like- the other friends don't know what to do, so they kind of separate themselves). Then the two friends - after they're done kicking trashcans over in anger - realize what their fight did to the group of friends and that they miss the good ol' days before deciding to come to terms with each other and get the friends back together. The rest are reluctant cause what if they fight again, before deciding "sure why not" and now they're good ol' friends!
It's cliche, but it's a nice story. I don't remember this being done in Warriors, I hadn't read most the books in a while, so if this was already done, don't burn me alive please-
I'd kill to see this kind of character interaction and development in these books. My standards for what I expect writing-wise have fallen so low for this series. I've effectively stopped reading the books and just started opting for full spoilers, trying to see if there are any new ones worth taking the time to read
This is why I like Acorn Fur. She's kind of a background character but is still given some development and personality.
I feel like Dawn of the Clans does very well in that aspect in general, there are so many interesting characters
I recently reread Dawn of the Clans and Moth Flight's Vision for the 1000th time and I 100% agree with this opinion.
@@simmy0019 It's probably because most of these cats lived together at the start and the authors then had to figure out reasons for them to separate, which kind of forced them to give a little bit of personnality to everyone.
Yeah, what you got is like, she was raised by gray wing. (If this is dawn of the clans acorn fur) She misses her sibling(s?) which probably might leave her feeling sad sometimes, though she must be strong enough to cover it up, she is now my 3rd fav side character
Wow, I’m just realized Warrior-based fan rp I’m in has so more realistic character relationships than the original series... dang.
ikr! it's because people control the specific cat instead of a group of peeps controlling 8584397584392 cats, and the person controlling their cat can make them have a personality
Imagine if Softpaw, the RiverClan apprentice Twigbranch saved in 'River of Fire, and Twigbranch became best friends in the new series.
I wish that could happen because I wanted to see a more fleshed-out version of Softpaw and what her character is like!
Omg yes, i finished rereading that book a bit ago and YES Soft paw and Twig branch should be besties, Perhaps having nice chats at gatherings *FORBIDDEN ROMANCE NOISES APPROACHING*
*Spoilers for Veil of Shadows*
Erin Hunter: How about we kill her instead? :D
I'm a simple person. Moonkitti uploads I stop what I'm doing and watch, comment, and like. Also, in terms of ThunderClan drama, the ONLY time we got cats arguing was when Dovewing returned with Tigerheartstar that one time and Jaybae was all "we wouldn't have this problem if cats remembered what LOYALTY was SQUIRRELFLIGHT" and she's all "DON'T BLAME ME FOR WHAT YOUR MOTHER DID!" and it was great and awesome and then completely forgotten about. I want more shiz like _that._ Alsooooo I _Swear to god_ if Yellowfang has as much screen time as a StarClan medicine cat guide person as she did in the previous arcs I'll throw The Broken Code into a fire. I want to see some Leafpool, Goosefeather, Featherwhisker, or hi CINDERPELT like hello she was kind of popular right? Come ON Erins Yellowfang sucks. No more Yellowfang.
Ace Coordinator Mary leafpool is dead
@@ann.anthea what book she die in tho
@@dougwalker4313 In The Broken Code excerpt, Leafpool isn't on the allegiances list, and in Chapter One Shadowpaw mentions how Jayfeather is acting more grumpy than usual becuase he's mourning her, or something
@@ann.anthea that's why I added leafpool. I want to see her now that she's in starclan. But noooooooo we'll probably get more fucking yellowfang for wherever reason. Why do the Erins love her so much?
Spottedleaf is dead dead
*THEIR ARE TO MANY PATROL AND HUNTING CHAPTERS!!!*
I mean if characters could interact and TALK ABOUT THEIR PERSONAL LIVES those chapters wouldn't be as bad!! But since characters dont have lives outside of plot all those chapters end up being is "oh nooo we saw another patrol and yelled at each other for no reason"
exactly i'd love a lot more chapters of cats chilling in the camp talking to each other, thinking about other cats, having proper conversations and dealing with relationships.
@@debodatta7398 GRAYSTRIPE AND FIREHEART WERE GOOD BECAUSE THEY WERE ACTUALLY FRIENDS and not just siblings!!! I am done with the main characters being siblings aGGHHHH
I mean there IS a logical side for it, it's a clan it's hard to make chapters that aren't inside the camp or patrolling, but the problems is these chapters aren't used for developing characters since for each patrol there is at least 3-4 cats. Also it's boring that even when there's not any real drama between clans they still yell at each other upon seeing another clan's patrol despite it being OBVIOUS that they are, too, patrolling
@@hydrashii but there are some personalities that want to cause drama because they hate the other clan or a member in the other clan. I wish there wasnt ALWAYS tension, but makes sense most of the time why the tension is there given all their history and relationships.
I swam to the notifications like RiverClan
Clicked at the speed of WindClan
Listened as quietly as ShadowClan (cause shadow)
Punched the like with the strength of ThunderClan
Jumped with glee like SkyClan
and I love Moonkitti as much as the cats worship StarClan.
This is terrible and it took 10 minuted to come up with but I listened to the whole video and loved it.
As a Riverboi I am offended. Skyclans more important n- oh. Riverclans been ignored, hasn't it?
@@lettucewad7171 OOPS I FORGOT IM SO SRRY
YEAH I DO LIKe RiverClan a lot as well
Beautiful poetry
One example they should go off of that I really like is the whole thing with Berrynose/Honeyfern/Poppyfrost.
They were background characters but we saw their relationship sometimes with how Berrynose fell for Honeyfern, Honeyfern's death, how he struggled and moved on, choosing Poppyfrost, Poppyfrost's anxiety that she was a second best mate and betraying her sister, and Honeyfern coming from StarClan to tell her she accepted them being mates. And this was a plot thread that sometimes came up when Lionblaze or someone was just sat around watching.
It didn't take away anything from the main story and it wasnt drawn out or too focused on it was just there and made these random background cats actual characters with emotions.
Id love to see something like that again
I also think there needs to be more political fighting within the clans like in the beginning of Tallstar’s Revenge, I really enjoyed the tunneler vs. moore-runner aspect of that book
Bluestarfan10 yesss
This is why I liked the drama between daylight warriors and the rest in skyclan's destiny, even tho the book wasn't that great overall.
i smell some “youtube is drunk” comments coming
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CZcams is drunk xD
How about this: ever since the clans moved to the lake, it seems like most of the traditional things, respect, and rules where left behind....now THATS triggering.
Ikr
Ikr like are warrior ceremony vigils still a thing? Or every apprentice traveling to the moonstone/pool at least once? (disclaimer: I haven't actually read the books in awhile, so I really don't know)
@@emysry5896 the travel to the moon stone/pond is no longer a thing, and I think that the vigils are still a thing, I can't remember it's been a while.
@@maggpie_3943 Vigils are! Or well, sort of. They are pretty forgotten and I'm pretty sure the next time we actually see them is on Omen of the Stars as they mention Ivypool and Dovewing's vigil
@@emysry5896 vigils are, apprentices don't go to the moonstone/pool anymore. I remember Leafpool bringing it up during I think Apprentice's Quest? Not sure tho.
When you have so many characters, they can't give a personality to all of them without making it a huge chunk of the book, and when there are favourites, such as the three, Cloudtail, Greystripe, all those old classics, the authors want the focus and reactions on them because that's who we know, and that's who we want to know about how they feel. Instead of giving us that and moving on, these characters stick around, but for some reason they still write in new births and characters so we're left with overcrowding and cardboard cut outs for characters.
Another example I think of is when Brightheat got jealous of Cloudtail training Daisy. That was an interesting point but we only saw it through Leafpool's eyes in her jealousy that Brightheart was helping her sister and saw no proper resolution other than a small apology from Daisy, but we never saw Cloudtail's side, or if Brightheart tried to bring it up and he just waved it off. All we saw was through the eyes of other characters, who were hardly interested in the story so we couldn't get much of it either.
There are too many characters for the authors to care about where I honestly pray for some kind of meteor to just hit Thunderclan and wipe out half the cats so the others have room to breath. Give us something, Erin, anything!!
Normally don't comment on videos but... yes. You have caught the biggest warriors issue and, imo, the only one that really matters. Thank you.
Perhaps this is why Ashfur went off the deep end. He was the only one with deep feelings. To the point it went out of control.
The best way we could get another one of these is if Thornclaw becomes angry that Bramblestar made him an elder in the next series. And so Thornclaw sets up the murder of Bramblestar and he takes half of Thunderclan to his side and it becomes internal warfare!!
SerpentMaster Armstrong ok I think the second part seemed very unnecessary for a sudden burst of bloodshed to appear. But I do think Thornclaw would refuse to retire and continues to push himself harder until he started to feel really bad and self conscious about himself and then Blossomfall tries to comfort him and tell him stuff that makes him feel less bad. And then he peacefully retires while being happy with his wife
Excuse me?! Moth Wing smells better than Spottedleaf dude
spottedleaf: smells like roses
mothwing: smells like... moths?
Spottedleaf sucks-
No Jake does! Ask Tallstar.
I actually think Rosepetal smells good than both Mothwing and Spottedleaf, or why is she named rosepetal?
Ilana Helela I know she smells bad! >:((((
*Ashfur stood on the log, the storm raging around him. His anger boiled up inside of him until he felt it overflow. His long, luscious locks of gorgeous blonde hair streaming in the wind.*
I dunno ;-;
Moonkitti could never be more right. Background characters are forgotten and when I started reading the fifth arc I didn't even notice Hollytuft or any other character that has barely been mentioned and when they were mentioned I had to look them up. I'm sick of cats being important and then disappearing into the void of background characters. And I am especially sick of cats being born and dying offscreen. In your list of "blank slate" cats I only knew a few. I'm sick and tired of cats being forgotten and having no personality. The Erins could look at any school or work place and find quarrels between people; I don't see a Eason why this doesn't happen in the clans. Thanks for making this, Moon. I hope one of the editors finds it.
Cats also forget who's related to who. There aren't favorite siblings, and no one remembers their uncle Jayfeather. Also I find that siblings don't have fights (despite Dovewing and a Ivypool, who I adore.)
Im glad you mentioned leafpool and sorreltails friendship because ive been rereading the books and i wish their friendship could have re kindled after the crowfeather mess. I wish they could have reconnected because leafpool needed support and given sorreltails character shed be very willing to offer it. But come series three theyre perfect strangers and its really sad. It was mentioned that they USED to be friends but they dont act like it at all
yall ever be a part of notif squad just to flex on people who actually have lives
Twigbranch doesn’t want to talk to her apprentice.
Darn you twigbranch.
Whenever anyone talks in warriors I take a deep breath and pray that our protagonist might have some friends or enemies INSIDE their Clan.
and then i let that breath out with all of those thoughts because it will never happen.
TALK TO EACH OTHER GUYS
honestly, one of my favorite characters in the series is brackenfur. i always remembered his character from the get-go, because he was an apprentice singled out by fireheart when graystripe abandoned his mentorship duties. i always liked to imagine that brackenfur was a hard-working, veteran warrior who learned disipline from the two best warriors in the clan. he is quite a memorable character for me, as he was always the respectful one of two siblings (cinderpaw.) honestly, i really miss little character personalities like that. brackenfur was collected, resepctful and determined to do his best. you could see that in the text, so why doesn't every character have this kind of development?
another point is runningwind. I REALLY LIKED RUNNINGWIND. he was smart, a little charming and logistical. he didn't get into clan skirmishes, and guides fireheart through his troubles in some chapters. man, all these little characterizations i really miss, because they were REALLY LOST in the second series.
sorry for the long paragraph, but my love for brackenfur came out a little.
You know even when the plot is bad in warrior cats we're still gonna all read it my people
haha yeah
You know it!
Me: *finishes video*
Me(to Moonkitti): *sigh* I love you
wAIT A HEART I CANNOT HANDELE THIS HAS NVER HAPPEND BEFORW THIS IS UNHEARD OF!!!!!!!!!
WARNIGN! Dangerop toi (you don't get it? its a joke me and my freinds use too much)
"The plots are bad." HAHA, COMPARE THAT TO SWORD ART ONLINE.
I love how in Vision of shadows Violetkit actually shows desire for friends, and needletail and the apprentices are like a clique.
Thank God someone finally said it HDKDHDK
I don't need every background character to have a full arc or anything but some consistent character quirks/personality and actual chemistry (both positive and negative) between each other is something this series definitely misses out on a lot and the different relationships could definitely make a lot of plots more interesting and complex not to mention a lot more satisfying on completion because it wouldn't be just the main characters affected by these major events, they would resonate with Most of the characters around them as well. The clans bonds right now seem to begin and end with nationality and it shouldn't be considering that living in such close quarters and working with each other regularly to survive means that no two cats in the same clan should be complete strangers. This is a problem with the series that I've been trying to work towards fixing in the fanfic I play with every now and then and I didn't even fully realize it until now, thank you for putting it into words. You're a genius and I agree wholeheartedly.
*Hey Thornclaw, wanna go on patrol?*
_No._
*Why?! You're life purpose is to go on patrols!*
_You scared away my rabbit and ate the last thrush in the fresh kill pile. And you know how much I love thrush._
*But that was yesterday!*
_I don't care, I'm still mad at you._
(If only these things happened every so often in Warriors)
I remember one scene where Spiderleg says something insulting to Stormfur in one of the books of PO3. It was kind of eye-opening re-reading it in my 20s because it suddenly occurred to me that these cats have to work with cats they might not get along with. I wish there was more exploration of that.
To be honest, warriors is a very flawed book series, plot wise and maybe in different ways that I haven't noticed yet. But that's kinda why I like it. The same might be true for others. Most people have more flaws then good traits. I know I do. And maybe we look at these books and see ourselves. Maybe we read it, and we read ourselves.
Oooor maybe we just like to read about cats fighting, having kits and dying. While slightly useless dead starcats watch and sometimes give useless warnings. I still love it tho.
This is why dawn of the clans is my favorite arc, I feel like cats characters are more flushed out and there’s actual family/relationship drama that doesn’t just end in nothing happening.
True, probably because we know them from the begining, so even with the bad introduction that is The Sun trail, we get to know a huge part of them.
darn cats, not being realistic and summoning god
One of the problems ive had with the newer books is how they focus on blood relationships so much.
To me, the whole clan is your family so its not so important who is actually related to you. After all, one thing that makes family special is growing up together, but in the clan you grow up around all these different these cats- so why only talk to/care about your siblings, parents and mate? They make friends, but it's always with a cat from another clan or because they're gonna fall in love (or both).
I loved Yellowfang and Firepaw. He cared for her and she saw him as the son she never had.
I liked Sandpaw and Dustpaw bullying Firepaw and Greypaw.
And just in general seeing how the apprentices benefited from caring for the elders, how it taught them honor and responsibility. Now its only mentioned as a punishment- a burden. What happened to kits/apprentices listening to the elders tell stories?
Anyway, I don't know; I just kind of feel like the cats are so focused on drama they disregard the warrior code, have no sense of community, and disrespect their leaders and mentors WAY too often. It's annoying.
I was a well behaved child so I don't identify with brats (cough that's why I hated Squirrelpaw cough I couldn't even finish that book she was so annoying coughity cough but I'm over it now cough sorry I have bronchitis cough)
My theory about forbidden relationships is that the authors don't want kin and the main characters to be freaking married.
But this theory doesn't make sense because they literally made one of the main character's parents hook up and had kids, even though they're like. . . siblings?
At least they realized what they did and rewrote his family tree, I guess. But yeah, forbidden relationships are better for this reason. I guess the other ideas would be bringing in nonclan cats would become a trope also, or giving personality to other clan cats, which I would hope becomes a trope. :)
I don't think the Erins really write down their family trees, to be honest. If they just had a "story bible" maybe character personalities, relationships, and plot points would actually make sense.
@@fortressnearabridge Yep, they really need one. Apparently in the past they've used the Warriors wiki, but that's hardly a definitive source since anyone can edit it. I think they're all worried to contradict personalities with background cats, but even some notes would be good: Ie; "Scratchfur: Short tempered, dislikes so-and-so, siblings of Greyclaw and Spiketail, wants to one day be leader so hopes to prove herself".
at least we got the iconic duo that is mousefur and longtail tho
"25 books about fighting cats"
Flawless idea for sure
I’ve heard the excuse for these problems is that there’s too large of a cast but my rebuttal to that is that if my eleven year old self was able to make an entire 39 chapter fanfiction with three entirely new Clans filled with a whole new cast of cats, each named and interconnected to the other cats and I was able to write (very poorly spelled and terribly paced) relationships between them and follow up on them why can’t professional published authors.
Edit: also i wrote a cat then actually named violetshine (she was a ginger tabby with bright blue eyes and the med cats best friend) and someone on fanfiction.net told me that a cat would never be named violetshine bc cats don’t know what violets are (?????) so ha get wrecked random internet person
I came at the speed of Starclan.
@@sian186 Precisely.
One thing that has been irritating me with the relationships as I read the newer books is that when two cats are mentioned interacting outside their immediate family they become mates by the end of the series.
They don't interact with anybody else aside from being briefly mentioned patrolling with their clanmates.
The characters talk to kin, their mentor, or their mate.
No wonder everybody gets slaphappy when something happens now. They don't have friends to calm down with anymore.
You brought up a amazing point I never relized that is a problem with the books. Ashfur's story and that fire scene we all know and love is THE MOST if not one of the most memorable scenes in the entire warrior cats series. I remeber that scene FAR better than the final battle the cats had with the dark forest cats. Like that betrayal and shock is my favorite part of any of the books and thats why The Power of Three part of the series is my favorite!
That scene held so much shock and horror and it was spectacular and we should have more drama like that because it obviously worked!
Honestly too thats also why I liked Hollyleaf telling the clans about Leafpools betrayal and I loved it and it was great to see that emotional trama! It kind of reminds me of Loki from Marvel in a way and his being mad and struggling with the fact he's adopted! Obviously they are very different but I still love the idea of a very emotional personal struggle. Hollyleaf had trouble finding a way to cope with the news and her idea of coping was killing Ashfur. It's amazing honestly and I love how Hollyleaf was a cat with a love for the code and when she found out she was a product of code breaking it hurt her and her morals. Its stuff like this I relize is my favorite part of the book! And you're right there should be WAY more of this and I never relized that's what the series was missing.
Another good and older excample is the relationship between Tallstar and Firestar. There wasn't any BIG drama but it was still a meaning relationship that effected WindClan and ThunderClan later. Or Onestar and Firestar's falling friendship could have had more and they could have done somthing special with it. (I haven't read the new books so maybe they did?). Either way you get what I mean hopefully.
They NEED to sometimes take fan suggestions! Not just polls.
Ex. Someone said that an evil medicine cat killing off those they don’t like.
This is actually..a really good analysis. There's always been something about Warriors friendships that bothered me that I never quite put my finger on, and you explained it perfectly
My biggest problem is probably relationships being forced on cats when they'd be better off solo.
For example, let's take Ivypool and Blossomfall. They've always seemed like the type of she-cats who would be kind of better off alone, like when Ivypool turned against Hawkfrost and the Dark Forest I personally determined it would be great for her to not take a mate, or maybe take a she-cat as a mate. But no, she got Fernsong thrown at her and had "Thriftkit". Just because her sister had kits. Same with Blossomfall, she got flung into a relationship with a warrior who was a lot older than her.
Going back to possibly having LGBTQ+ cats, there have been tons of Warriors books now and the only implied same sex relationship was Ravenpaw x Barley. I personally feel like some other cats would be better off LGBTQ+, such as Hollyleaf, Ivypool etc.
Anyway, thanks for listening to my mini rant lol, ty.
IceSlushie
*cough cough* Tallstar and Jake *cough cough*
They would have LGBTQ cats & relationships be obvious in the books, but some countries would ban them
And that means less money
I don't feel that Ivy would have been better off with a female mate, but I do think that they should have worked on what her and Fern's relationship are like. (Not being homophobic or anything, but just cause you think certain gay ships would have been better, doesn't mean they really would have been.)
@Flyingwolves81 Ikr? They're both fun names, and Thriftkits name is awesome.
IceSlushie thrift is a name of a flower lmao.
Plus the Erin’s confirmed that they’re too afraid to add gay cats to the books
I'm actually happy you pointed this out. It was an element of the books that kinda flew over my head for years, and I never really paid attention to it. I only recently noticed after skimming through a few different books how the clan cats seem pretty dull, especially when interacting with each other; but I never went into detail like you did in trying to discover the core reason as to why. Seriously thank you for saying this.
I've been slowly catching up with the main series books, and i noticed the further i got, the less i could remember the background cats... and I think this is the reason for it. You barely hear any of them say or do anything unique anymore, so the character just won't form in my head.
Moonkitti: Everyone knows Ashfur!
Me: eVerYOne HAtEs aShFur
My problem with Warrior Cats is that everyone seems to have the same voice tone and style which is really annoying. WOF is better at various voice tones.
WOF is wonderful about this kind of thing with character relationships. I think it may be because there's only one author working on the series most of the time so she can keep track of the consistent character interactions.
Cat: I’m gonna go speak to this other cat.
Another cat: oh no you can’t tell that cat anything
i love when you do video essays like this, your perspective is so interesting
Great video!
I loved your video on everything Breezepelt has ever done, and I think it would be cool if you did one similar to it on Ashfur.
This is what's worrying me about Lost Stars, which is on the brink of release in just a few days. If this gonna be another arc filled with unnecessary characters for the sake of shipping fan service, plots that do nothing extraordinary to our main character's development, or conflicts that drag on in Shrek's swamp for way too long, I'm not gonna be satisfied. It's probably due to Harper Collins' strict writing schedule for pumping out 2 books a year, but until we get an official statement from Kate Cary, I'm gonna read the book and hope to not give up after 50 pages.
I think this is why we all like fan-made content (maps, parody videos, etc) so much, because it explores character relationships in ways the books never do.
Also why fan-made content is so fun to make, there are so many blank slates you can pretty much make anything about any character you want.
This is literally what bothers me do much in Warrior Cats, but I could never find the correct words to describe. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GIVING ME THIS VIDEO AA
I have TWO big problems about warriors.
1. It is SO slow. It takes several books for anything to happen and half the conflict is gatherings and battle training.
2. Personality is basically non-existent and when it isnt you cant even tell. In other franchises like wof, everything a character does reflects their personality, but in warriors, Every mother is just a caring mother who wants to take care of her kits... Except rainflower, every warrior is just a loyal warrior who wants to protect their clan, every kit is just a tiny child who likes to mess around. GIVE US SOME HECKIN VARIETY
Lizardstripe is another different mother - she thinks that raising kits is boring and adopted Brockenkit only for profit
Someone: are you tired of seeing these commen-
Me: -YES
I hate when blood relations are ignored bc the Erins forget about them. Like one scene from Moonlight in TNP, when Leafpaw saves Reedpaw of RiverClan after he almost drowns. Mistyfoot is there, and tho she is upset and worried abt him, they completely neglect to work in the fact that she's his MOTHER.
Thank you for pointing this out, it helped me with ironing out my own storyline in my fanfic
I’ve always noticed how in the books, Leafpool’s forbidden relationship was a massive uproar. Yet many others, and I’m sure everyone in the books knew about Spotted and Fire’s feelings, are completely okay. Like how Greystripe was just accepted into River, then right back to Thunder? Yet Mapleshade was exiled from BOTH Clans.
Maybe it depepnd on the leader? (Sorry I know im 4 eyars late lol)
The clans need to have the gossip, friendship groups, and relationships of a high school. It would make them seem like they actually have a life other than fighting with the other clans. Almost all of my favorite parts are when warriors/elders/queens/apprentices gossip at gatherings, it just makes them seem more relatable.
In their Culture Trades, Peace-Offerings and sensible Political Decisionare are frowned-upon HARDER than BABY-EATING!!!
This is going to help me a lot when writing my book, thank you I do agree with your points!!
I agree with u, I knew there was something missing with the series but I didn’t know what it was until I watched this! Ty Moon :)
Ok.the clans problem is....
Windclan need more protection
Shadowclan needs good leaders
Thunderclan needs to stop loving cats outside there clan
Riverclan needs to see what is happening outside there clan
Srry that’s what I see so far in all the books I’m on the new prophecy book 4
Dude, you're gonna hate Rowanstar so bad...
I can already tell
I think the main thing, (probably not the only thing though) that causes these kinds of issues with the books is the fact that theres just. too many authors. It feels like they all just email eachother compromises endlessly until theyve turned a perfectly good set of characters into three cats they keep disagreeing on and a pile of cardboard cutouts. I understand that they have multiple authors to make the series faster because its so popular, but honestly, warrior cats would probably be a lot better if it was written by one person really passionate about this world theyve made rather than a group of people who mostly only care about profit. (Note; this is mostly based on speculation i am probably wildly wrong some points and tbh im writing this b4 i finish watching this video)
Yep, I agree completely. The thing that gets me the most is they always retract their statements
Kate Cary: “Oh! Thistleclaw was originally in StarClan but Bluestar chased him out!”
Kate Cary 0.00002 seconds later:
“Oop never mind lol! He always was in The Dark Forest!”
If there should be one author writing the series is should be Cherith. She hardly ever retracts her statements, but that’s been just my opinion lol
I see what you're saying, and in fact I hadn't ever really thought of it before. I love Warriors but the books would be enriched so much more if they implemented real character dynamics. That's why for my series that I'm writing (it's kind of like Warriors but with dogs I'm so original lel) I sat down and wrote personalities for literally every single character, even if it was just some basic traits. I feel really good knowing I can show each character's individual personality, even if it's subtle.
Thanks a lot Moonkitti. I had to keep pausing to read the dialogue, and now I have to restart the entire video just to hear what you are saying!!!
I think this might’ve been the reason I dropped Warriors after Vision of Shadows actually, I was BORED.
I absolutely loved Alderheart and latched onto him as a favorite character, but they didn’t really DO anything with his character. He was different from many Warriors protags in his anxiety and self-doubt but I wish they would’ve developed him further. In conclusion, justice for Alderheart💛
My biggest problem with warriors is that thunderclan seems to win every. Battle. 5ey. Are. In
I never actively thought about it but yo're really speaking out of my soul here
As someone who aspires to be a fantasy writer and write books prob similar to warrior cats, I love hearing what people like and don't like in things they read and learn from others' mistakes on how I could improve my own writing :D