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- What makes an ink "work-appropriate"? Brian and Drew have some ideas, and are happy to share and debate their take on office ink! Originally from The Goulet Pencast episode 32: • A Goulet Pen? Plus, La...
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As a lawyer, I love the De Atramentis document inks, and currently use their black, dark blue, and turquoise. I've also used Noodler's Golden Brown, Polar Green, and Mandalay Maroon to good effect, but more for markup rather than permanence.
Can i use dark browns like diamine macassar?
Platinum Carbon black is an absolute classic. Looks like printer toner. I've actually heard someone got questioned about a signature being fraud/printed because of how much it looks like toner.
Me: *openly taking notes in Diamine Shimmertastic Inferno Orange 1.1mm italic stub in front of my boss
...honestly, I think the fact that I write in that color at all is wild to begin with. It's just... So in your face bright orange... My god is it pretty though, I really do feel like I am writing with a raging fire
I always sign the original in a Blue ink so that I can tell the original apart from the photocopies. I like Diamine Sargasso Sea, and Noodlers Luxury Blue.
Given that purple is the color of our company logo (and equipment), I just started to use purple in my pen and have so far only received great responses from upper level about this.. then again I usually don't have to write anything formal on paper, but use it mostly for my own notes..
All I can say is, thank God I'm an author! I get to use whatever colours I can read later when I have to type up my stories! Yellow is generally a bad one though, followed by really light colours like Van Dieman's Maclay's Swallowtail butterfly (green) and Beeswax (yellow)
Greetings from India!
I'm a professor at a university. For routine work, I prefer Lexington grey and El Lawrence. For notings on files and papers, I prefer Kiowa pecan. For paper correction, it's usually pelikan red or baystate blue.
I’m a big fan of noodlers as well
Genuinely asking, how do you keep baystate blue from leaking and destroying your pens?
@@gabrielbruce1977 i have the baystate in an eye dropper pen. Lubricating the o ring/threads of the screws - once every 15 days - keeps the baystate from leaking.
From where do you buy baystate blue in India?
@@paritoshdabral2946 Sir, I am using Kanwrite desire (eyedropper) for few years. May I know which eyedropper pen are you using? I love only eyedropper pen for its ink capacity.
When I was a boy (I'm 80), blue/black was a "serious" ink color. Now the primary use for blue/black is and should be for writing checks. My favorite? Pilot shin-kai (deep sea).
And Brian, work-appropriate? With your choices, you might want to seek employment at an art gallery or art supply store. Hmm. Pens and ink store?
My first thought was the PR Ebony Purple, as I did exactly that when I had to use Black or Blue for signing off my work. I cleared it with the boss though, he felt it was black enough. Super dark with my Medium Metropolitan.
Great topic!
R&k Salix is my no brainer go to, perfect for everything.
Fun no matter the paper.
I got a sample of Midnight Hour from Diamine recently and I don't even care for blues that much, but I'm *obsessed* with it. I've already ordered a full bottle and I haven't even finished the first fill. It's a deep, dark, rich blue/violet, and if you like sheening inks it's absolutely worthwhile. The only caveat is that it doesn't take long for the ink to dry on the nib and cause hard starts. It's a small nuisance that I'm willing to accept, because it is truly a remarkable ink.
Useful info and a presentation that respects my time! Much appreciated.
DeAtramentis Fog Grey Document is awesome. It's more blue than grey and it's lovely. My very favorite ink of all time!! ❤️
Noodler's Zhivago (blackish green) and Lexington Gray (sometimes others think it's pencil!) are two of my favorites. Both are permanent, too!
Robert Oster Great Southern Ocean is my go-to work color! Pretty dark blue color with just enough shading that it's clearly something special.
Super helpful. Just made an order with you all thanks to all the value you‘ve provided over CZcams
Thank you! - Drew
Ah, the joys of being on the leadership team. I can use anything I want. I color code my notes so it's easier to go back and annotate them. Current favorites (though I have a Brian-level of pens inked) are: Noodler's Red; Birmingham Angelfish; Organics Studio Huxley; Noodler's Habanero (shout out to the commenter who said "orange"); Robert Oster Torquay; and Organics Studio Copper Turquoise. Honorable mentions: OS Nitrogen; OS Ralph Waldo Emerson; Kon-Peki; Caran D'Ache Hypnotic Turquoise; and Noodler's Baystate Cranberry.
Color codes, roughly - blues for general note-taking - turquoise and greens for things that need to stand out - reds for follow-up tasks - neon pink for stuff I absolutely cannot forget to do. 🙂
I guess everyone else missed it, but when old boy says 'ebony but brown' I, too, smirked just as Brian did. We are one in the same. 😂
Monteverde noir inks I think would be good choices as well. I am fond of the jade noir and their mulberry noir inks.
The ink appropriate depends of your work, in my case, to evaluate this exams and homeworks, inks green and red are a good options, for example: parker red, lamy green, montblanc green, lamy crystal ruby. In the case of work in the Office when have sign documents and protocol papers, I recommend graf von faber castell carbon black, lamy crystal obsidian, parker black, sailor blue, parker permanent blue.
I'm at highschool and I love using a lot of different inks with different fountain pen, even in exams if they allow it (they generally do) so i really enjoy school just for writing
I don't have this need at work, but when I need an ink that looks serious, but I don't want it to be boring, I like to go for a dark blue or purple with a decent, but not crazy amount of sheen. Some of my favourites are Diamine Oxford Blue, Diamine Bilberry and KWZ Baltic Memories.
maybe be TOO purple and shimmery but check out diamine lilac satin
@@jm-bn9sy Looks like a fun ink, but I wouldn't use it for "serious with a bit of added interest". I think I'd generally avoid shimmer inks for that purpose, although I might make an exception if it's quite subtle.
that dark green saoilor with the black sheen SWEET spot
really dark purples are AMAZING
Ooww... Drew's knit top really match De Atramentis Document Black Blue... perfect!
I decided to mix Pelican 4001 Brilliant lack and Diamine Deep Magenta. It took a while to find the proper ratio, but in the end I am left with an ink that is okay to use for charting and legal documentation, but I can see that it has a purple colour. And when I point it out to coworkers they saw it, but not before.
diy perfection lol!
I LOVE these types of videos! Using these "secret" inks feels like sharing a private joke on your own at work, with the rest of the FP community, while your boss & colleagues don't have a clue about FPs and think you only do your work! (At least, those who aren't "in the loop") I found out I'm very fond of Blue Black inks. My brain cannot decide whether those are blue or black or sometimes even very dark greys? I think I'll listen to your advice and try out some of those new inks I discovered thanks to this video!
If you want a hidden color, try Conklin Kelly Green. Almost black but if you smear the ink the Kelly Green color appears.
I like to experiment and mix my Pilot Iroshizuku inks to come up with my own custom colors.
It’s always a good idea to make sure you know which ink colors your workplace allows and which ones they don’t. If you’re not sure, don’t be afraid to ask a higher-up. Blue and black are the 2 most used colors in the workplace, but you might be able to get away with darker colors that look black on paper. Oh! And whatever you do, do NOT use shimmer inks in the workplace!
My go-to work ink is Diamine Jet Black. This ink is fountain pen-gentle, safe, a definite staple.
Diamine Oxblood works well. Along with the new writer’s blood
De Atramentis Alexander Hamilton is one of my work favorites.
I have to use black ink at work, and my usual one is Sailor Black. However, those colors that are so dark that they look black if someone isn’t really paying attention, I sneak those in all the time. Blue black especially, some grays, and deep dark greens.
Use whatever ink you want at work. It doesn't have to be somber somber somber.
Like 9 of the 10 Diamine Music Set inks I would consider work-appropriate and also interesting. There's a green/yellow one that probably doesn't qualify but it's also cool.
What's the best dedicated pen for inks that have some action to them? I'm talking about inks with glitter, etc.
I use and recommend Diamine Cult Pens Deep Dark Purple.
Always based on perspective. If the writing mainly involves work notes for yourself, rather than communication to others, stick to saturated, dark inks. Aside from black & blues, greys, browns, and purple come to mind. A good suggestion is to keep a pen inked with blue, or black, as backup, should a note for your boss, or co-worker is needed from you.
My few GO TO inks for work place: Pilot Blue, which is surprissingly water resistance.
Sailor Seiboku, which I cannot think of another better permanant blue black ink than this.
and Platinum Carbon Black, imo the best and only permanant black ink that I dare to use water based paint on top.
I got you guys don't worry:
Monteverde smoke noir
Monteverde coal noir
Monteverde raven noir
Diamine green black
Platinum classic blacks pretty much all of them will dry more black the the original color.
Robert Oster river of fire is super dark green with red sheen
Sailor seiboku is a black ink that dries silvery
Sailor Seiboku is actually a lovely, rich blue-black that clearly leans toward blue.
@@sajjadhusain4146 you're right I meant Kiwa Guo
@@BC21beats ..Yea, Kiwa-Guro is great. I’ve recommended it to others looking for a superb permanent black ink that is also safe and hassle-free in pens.
I have all three in this line: Kiwa-Guro, Seiboku and Souboku. Highly recommended!
My work-appropriate ink would be something that really pops on the page, since I do a lot of proof-reading. Today it was Diamine Pumpkin.
If you have any recommendations for loud inks, I take recommendations!
...I raise you Diamine Shimmertastic Inferno Orange? It's so loud... I feel so obnoxious writing with it, but I can't stop...
There's also quite a bit of shading, Idk if that would hinder proofreading legibility?
I love Iroshizuku Tsutsuji for a super loud but also very legible ink!
Noodler's Whaler's Brown is my go-to for notes and doodles, and I use carbon black for documents- here in Alberta you can ONLY sign legal documents in black.
I have a problem with the notion that this subject even needs to be discussed.
Sure, there are business situations where there might be a need to stipulate certain characteristics for hand-written material - ink permanence, for example, where hand written information becomes part of an archival record that has legal or financial significance. And there may be legitimate concerns about how writing will be handled by various duplicating technologies although I suspect that this concern is rapidly being overtaken by technology.
But it seems to me that if the business needs to go any further than that, then there is a more fundamental problem in the way that the business hires new employees and indoctrinates them in understanding the nature of the business. Basically, employees who use inks that are inappropriate to the business simply don't understand what the business is about.
I've used fountain pens for decades. My rule of thumb would be to choose darker colors on the cooler end of the spectrum (blacks, blues, purples, browns, greens, while avoiding reds and oranges), while staying away from colors that show excessive shading, and any inks that emphasize shimmer. For years, my preferred ink was a blend of Montblanc's Black and Maroon inks - a warm-black that was uniquely mine, distinct enough to be clearly recognizable as original and not a photocopy, but subtle enough to not be inappropriate in a serious business setting. From time to time I also used brown ink - either Cross brown or Private Reserve Chocolate.
Louie - you nailed many of my thoughts as well. I cannot fathom a law office being thrilled with a strong glittery ink. Nor, an ink that feathers. Like you, I would lean to the darker colors, archival-permanence, fade resistant, anti-feathering, minimal shading and no shimmer or sparkly inks except for, maybe, fancy birthday cards.
Oh, you make a great point on the duplicating machines and their technology. As I recall, they were one of the early reasons lighter colored inks, especially blues, were shunned. Some of the earliest Xerox copiers simply would not pick up any light or even medium blues.
I can use all kinds of ink at work, but to sign, I have to use black or blue. My rebellious nature makes me sign with Diamine Green Black. Most people don’t notice. 🙂
I am an attorney with a serious ink addiction. There are worse sins I guess... Yes, I was referring only to the ink addiction. I always keep at least one pen filled with a permanent ink, eternal, archival or "bullet proof" ink. My favorites are Baystate Blue (oh, the horrors! I use it in a dedicated Lamy Al Star), Liberty's Elysium, Bad Belted King Fisher, Bad Blue Heron, Legal Blue, Rohrer & Klinger Salix, or any one of the De Artamentis Documents inks. For marking up documents I love Diamine Writer's Blood or Oxblood, and Mont Blanc Lucky Orange. I do not care what color ink I use for my personal notes but mostly stick with Noodler's Zhivago, La Rien Mauve, Private Reserve Lake Placid, Mont Blanc Tolstoy, Robert Oster Fire and Ice, or Callifolio Andrinople.
Hey guys, is it possible to mix your own inks? Could I add some black to a green to make it darker like most other mediums? Does it have to be the same brand for the pigments to mix well?
I have worked in health care for 40 years. It wasn't uncommon when I started for people to use fp's. As with all other types, for medical work, black only. A lot of the other colors didn't reproduce or copy well.
I work from home soooo....Herbin EdC? Check. Diamine Golden Sands? Lovely.
I like making custom inks, Diamine arabian nights mixed with watermsn intense black, Diamene stormy shadows mixed with arabian nihjts mixed with waterman black. Shimmery professionsl black purplish. Kind of reminds me of randal from monsters inc but darker.
I bought some Private Reserve Spearmint and when I dries it clumps up. Is private reserve known for that happening?
Iroshizuku Fuyo Syogun, Montblanc Cool Grey, Kaweco Grey, all 3 of these can fly in an office as long as you're writing in your own notebook, I doubt any ink mentioned in this video would be allowed on official documents.
My work says 'black and blue' for formal. I got politely asked to stop using a straight green for filling out forms.
I've received no complaints for using Noodlers' AirCorps Blue Black, which I find to be a fun ink, even though it doesn't get much coverage these days. It looks greenish blueish on the paper, yet because the blue component isn't waterproof it fades to black (more like a dark grey) if your work gets wet. It's also well behaved and *it even shades with a TWSBI EF.*
I've just started getting into more interesting inks, like shimmer. There are less formal places that I can use these more curious inks.
On subject, my "work safe" inks include Colorverse Quasar (not inked in anything yet), whatever basic blue is in my Arteza disposables, and Noodlers AirCorp, Dark Matter, and Heart of Darkness.
My bottle of Diamine Twilight hasn't arrived yet, but I would qualify that as a "work-safe" shade. Could become a favorite.
What is the best red ink? I am a teacher and want a true red for grading.
When I see videos like this I think I can see the pain in Goulet’s eyes from being sick from talking about pens in video after video, year after year.
My favorite, 'oh that's not black' ink is Noodler's Zhivago. It's simply beautiful and stunning, and when people realize it's not black they are surprised.
R&K Sepia, Dark Smokey Brown
I like Noodler’s Bad Belted Kingfisher.
As an attorney, I find myself loving Jack Frost, Atlantic Blue, and private reserve DC SUPERSHOW.
I've been using Pilot Iroshizuku's Tsuki-yo for a while now in my work notebook and have been really happy. I've tried non-Pilot ink in my Pilot Metropolitan and have found the nib dries out after a week if I don't take any notes. With the Pilot ink it stays wet longer. (I wonder if anyone else has noticed that about Metropolitans not keeping the nib wet for very long?)
My wife just bought me a Pilot E95s (yes, based on how many times Goulet videos recommend it, and yes, it really does cap and uncap like a dream and is a very nice writer), so since that's supposed to stay wet longer, I'll use my other inks with that one.
I have a Pilot Metropolitan that I used to use all the time. I used Noodler's Black American Eel in it or DeAtramentis black document ink. The Metropolitan did well with both inks until I was hospitalized for 5 months from 2018-2019. When I returned home, I could not get the Metro to work the way it had before my hospitalization. I have cleaned the pen multiple times and it still does not perform like it used to. But, it's okay. It sits in my drawer with other pens that never did do well for me and they are even more expensive. When the Metro was working for me, I could go as much as 7 days between uses. The only pen I have that was still working after 5 months of non-use was my TWSBI Eco.
As a lawyer, I use Monteverde Green and Monteverde Napa Burgundy. I even get by with J. Herbin Vert Amazone.
I say whatever the heck you want to use (and is legible to others if needed) is appropriate 🤣
I have to use blue, black, green and red for different notes on a single form. That would give me plenty of options to play around. There is a catch though. First thing is it needs to be permanent. No big deal as there are plenty of inks that fulfill that criteria. Second catch is the need for three carbon copies…that sadly rules out fountain pens completely. I could use an ink roller that is kind of a rollerball with fountain pen ink, but that isn’t the same.
Private Reserve Black Cherry
work - "you need to use blue or black ink"
me- *uses blue black ink that is blue at first and then darkens*
Kon peki and anything dark green
At work we are only allowed to use 'Whiteness of Whale' . I truly look forward to my days off when I can use something, anything with color. Happy Day
Talking about ink - what if, someone wants to mix up different brands and colors of ink to create some individual color for personal use 🤔 are there any particular inks that should better not be mixed for objective reasons?
I dunno the line name but whatever category noodlers baystate blue and the lazer proof black are in .
I did Windsor Newton process magenta watercolour ink ( liquid dyes not sediment pigment in there) and parker black for a great purple .
The company I was with for 35 years prior to retiring, required black ink for everything EXCEPT signatures on original documents. Signatures HAD to be something copiers had/have difficulty picking up. Bright Red was used as appropriate in sales reports.
At times I "cheated", using a "proper" blue-black, red-black, or green-black that on first and second glance ... sometimes third glance ... looked black, for internal documents (i.e. reports, inventories, employee manuals, etc.)
Sadly, my go-to blue-black, red-black, and green black I bought in high school (15 years before I started at that company) and have all been discontinued.
I found a "proper" (from a fairly wet nib) Blue-Black, Diamine TWILIGHT, and Green-Black, Monteverde Jade Nior. Shame they both have less than zero water resistance, so were unusable on the job.
I may be retired, but still want a "proper" blue/red/green-black that is waterproof, or at least highly water resistant. Any suggestions? 😁
Find out your company’s approved brand color palette (eg that they use for imagery and creative assets) - they can’t really complain about any colors you use from that ;-)
I always keep a blue and black pen inked for anything that calls for those colors, and one red for literal red-lines. For my own personal notes, the sky is the limit and dammit, I’m gonna have fun with it.
As a med student future doc my ink is pelican 4001 koningsblau
Work ink has to be dark enough to be copied, not take too long to dry or you risk smearing forms or signatures, and look decent on 20 lb copy paper. Water resistant is a plus. Most of these are blue or black. Not sure about good green or brown options. Red is appropriate for corrections and editing. Kwz gumberry iron gall may also work
Archival ink 🖋🤔🧐
Professional, or Formal?
Iroshizuku Shin-kai [Deep Sea] is conservative enough. Sailor Okuyama also is deep and doesn't scream at those looking at your handwriting.
You guys haven't reviewed Waterman pens at all, why?? Can you review at least one, like you have done earlier with Parkers?
Goulet Pens don't carry Waterman.
I know, but they don't carry Parkers either, but still they have two reviews of them...
@@mushfiqurrahman7966 Yes, but weren't those legacy Parkers, not current models?
Are there no reviews that you can find?
Waterman Serenity Blue, the best. But it is not permanent.
Noodler's Black, no contest. 😀
Artist here; I would like to point out (in vain I know) that "black-blue" in color world _technically_ means "blue with a hint of black" and a black with a hint of blue should rightly be called "blue-black." The terms are not interchangeable when it comes to describing colors. Sadly _most_ people, even ones apparently who mix colors professionally, do not know this
I can’t get the ink out of my lid. Shin-Kai
Any ink is appropriate at work if you try hard enough.
Blue and black aren't professional, are simply what people are used to, it's common consensus non professionalism imbued into the color :)
True professional color should also include at least all the shades or browns and dark reds using in the middle ages and renaissance. That was ink *really* used at work, transactions, law, you get the idea.
I don't think I have ever really understood the whole "Work Appropriate Ink" thing. Especially with everyone/everything going digital does any organization really care what color ink is used? The only place I have ever run into professionally or in my personal life that required specific color ink was the Title Company when I signed for my house.
People don't want their doctors or lawyers making notes in bright pink ink. But you're right that with things going digital it's less of a concern.
Q: appropriate color for work?
A: uh yea, orange. If it's a problem go apply for the thousands and thousands of other jobs out there, and wait to be fired.
Your boss doesn't hire your life they hire your labor. You are not owned just because your on boarded
why are there work appropriate inks? I don't get it
I guess other inks are NSFW xD
Schaefer used to have a light blue ink - that I thought was appropriate for work - but I found out that it did not show up when a paper was photocopied.
Ah, the good ol' non photocopy blue, I use a pencil from Caran D'ache in this color to sketch, had no idea there is ink of this hue. Thanks for the tip I'll look it up.
I grew up in the sixties with blue Skrip, used it so much in college through the 70's. For work in health care, had to use black in a separate pen from school and personal.
Diamine Sherwood green