Dr. Zakir Naik - Can Eid be celebrated on the same day throughout the world?
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- Dr. Zakir Naik explains in the light of Qur'an, Hadith and Scientific knowledge if Eid can be celebrated on the same day throughout the world. As shown on Peace TV, part of the series of Ramadhaan - A Date with Dr. Zakir Episode 28 - Sighting of the Moon. Brought to you by The Shahadah Project - www.shahadahproject.com
I think Allah 'azza wa jalla has chosen Dr Zakir Naik for his work and Allah knows best. May Allah tabarok wa ta'ala help him and grant him good here and hereafter with jannaatul firdaus, ameen.
I have since done hahadah and it will be a month since my shahadah on October 31. Keep posting these good videos. :-)
Assalamu alaikum..
Mash'allah Brother keep following Quran and authentic Hadith ..... What {Allah} swt said obey me and obey my messager ( prophet Muhammad) sws... In sha Allah.👍🏻
Salam... After 12 years...
@@Revival321 wa'alaikum sslam
@@KaylynnStrain I wasn't really expecting a reply... More than a decade old comment...
Do u even remember this thing u commented ?
Lots of research you have made and compiled scientific and Islamic terms explain in a way which we can understand. May Allah grant you a good health, wealth, happiness and Jannah to you sir 👍
Allah has granted Dr. Zakir Naik with immense knowledge, he gave evidence from Hadeeds and Science as well. May Allah help him with his work
That is a big help to new muslims, which I may be one soon God willing. I visited a local masjid last week and came away with a few god things to read and a nice conversation with the imam. :-)
Br Zakir pls answer
1. The hadith u quoted from bukhari, how can u say that " Sumu leruyati..." is denoting for a group and not the whole ummah.
2. if u say it to be aplied for a place e.g. colony, a city, a state or a country- where it is mentioned or indicated in the Quran & Hadith u quoted.
3. Who and how will we decide this boundary. These boundaries are not made by Allah.
4. U mean islam do not have a global calendar
5. Laitul qadr & hajj r global dates.
6. please revise ur understanding
Well said bro
When there are no specifications in a Qur'anic verse then it is a general verse that doesn't need to make mention of countries,states,colonies etc .
it applies to all people (muslims)who wish to follow it .
And eat and drink until the white thread of dawn becomes distinct to you from the black thread (Of night).then complete the fast until the night (i.e. sunset). 2:187
This verse is a general verse for all the Muslims (neglecting any divisions or sects recently created) .
The Qur'an has been sent to all of mankind if there are specifications to be made in a verse than there would be but there aren't particularly in this verse(2:187).
Hence it applies to the entire muslim ummah
Time zones for sunset and sunrise vary from country to country ( which is an undeniable fact).
Hence in accordance to the verse one has to break their fasts according to observation of sunset in their locality.
If one does believe that verses of Qur'an are for the entire mankind then
one does not need to ask for specifications in a verse that has been generalised for the believers
same here. how a scholar like him can say such kind of horrible info? Prophet said, "if anyone of my ummah see the moon of shawal or Ramadan, definitely that become farz for everybody." there r no 24 hours different between two states or city, for 3 hour behind we differ 1 whole day?
@@enamvai534 pleas provide references brother
True, unfortunately Dr Zakir didn't touch on some of the important aspects of this topic
Done did shadahah almost 2 years ago
Subhan allah💗
Brilliannnnnt!! Yur too good .. Luv yu man :)
May Allah send infinite peace and blessings upon Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) and His family and His friends. Ameen sum ameen
Jazakallah brother zakir
Very well explained!
Salam.
Refraction is the bending of light when it enters a medium where its speed is different. The refraction of moon light when it passes from a faster medium (space between moon and earth atmosphere) to a slower medium (earth atmosphere with moisture, air, dust,cloud etc.) bends the light ray toward the normal to the boundary between the two media. This is similar to seeing a straight stick bend when we put a stick inside an aquarium. Because of this refraction, the moon can be seen by naked eye, even when the position of moon is below the horizon.
Modern scientists, with all latest technology, can not predict and calculate the refraction of light coming from moon.
The gratitude towards Allah and the joy of starting Ramadan or Eid after trying to see the moon in naked eye (thereby following the Sunnat) is a divine gift.
JAK.
Allahu'Akbar!
Welcome to the religion of peace Sister. May Allah grant you Paradise and give you the best of this world and the hereafter.
If you have any questions/queries on Islam please do not hesitate to get in touch.
May the peace, mercy, blessings and guidance of Almighty Allah be upon you always.
Brother Omar.
Ibn Abbas replied that they (in Medina) had seen the crescent-moon on Saturday, and that they would not stop fasting until they either saw it again, or had completed thirty days. Kurayb asked, "Will you not suffice with the sighting of Muawiyah?” Ibn Abbas replied, "No, that is how the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) commanded us.”
Ma Sha Allah
Great Answer !
Inna Lillaahi Wa Inna Ilayhi Rajiun
Jazak Allaahu Khayran
Allaahumma Aameen to all the Duas!
Jazakallah..Zakir Bhai cleared my doubt
May Allah bless Doctor Zakir Naik
nice answer
Thank u so much brother
May Allah subhanahu wa tala bless u immensely
Can u please tell me can we follow saudi and start our fast while staying in india
What a beautiful reply 🥰🥰🥰
Mufti Taqi Usmani حفظه الله stated: ‘In Saudi Arabia the sighting of the moon has been accepted before even the birth of the moon on many occasions which is impossible in my view. I have discussed the situation with many Saudi Scholars and they are also disturbed with these occurrences. However, since this is in the hands of the Majlisul Qadha Al-A’la (Saudi Supreme Court Riyadh) they are helpless.’ (19th Rabi us Thani 1412AH)
❤️🌸🌹Jazakallah khair 🌸💚
When 29 days are completed, we should not have any problem in accepting the sighting of moon in Kerala for the rest of India.
Kerala sahi Eid manata h hm Kolkata m rehte hai but hm v ek hi din manate h jaise makka or Pura duniya manata h sirf India Bangladesh Pakistan ko chor k
Does it mean that after fasting the last day of the ramzan shayateen gets released in some places i.e Saudi Arabia then after in India they get released another day?
That's a question I asked n made fun ... but then i understood n I thought use of imagery , symbolisms is lots in quraan n hadith n possibly means shaitan being chained doesn't mean its chained literally rather its like it can't come to u ... so yeah if Saudi fasts starts tomorrow shaitan won't be able to come to dem n for others who start day later shaitan won't be able to influence dem until they finish ....n Allah knows best ... but there r more evidences n proofs that local moon sighting should be done ... Notice majority of scholars approve dat though like to show they r neutral n not biased ... do u think if ur country sights earlier Saudi will follow ??? I don't think so , Saudi too follows their own local sighting... n yeah Allah knows best ...
but whatever u follow most scholars say its both r accepted as u r not to be blamed following fatwah opinion of a few leaders
bro will u pray following the time of makkah when u r in usa
Best islamic scholar
Sobhanullah your always answer the question of the people.
“Wherever the sighting is confirmed, however far away it may be, even if it were to be thousands of miles; the people of this place will have to abide by that.” [Fatawa Dar ul Uloom Deoband, Vol. 6 p. 380, Urdu edition]
Zakir Naik is a great scholar, I love him and follow him, but in this topic I think he is wrong. there are some countries celebrating Eids and Ramadan in different days which are in the same time zones, and that is not true
bro will u pray following the time of makkah when u r in usa
That Umm al-Fadl, daughter of al-Harith, sent him to Mu'aqiyah in Syria. He said: I came to syria and performed her work. The moon of Ramadan appeared while I was in Syria. We sighted the moon on the night of Friday. When I came to Median towards the end of the month (of Ramadan), Ibn 'Abbas asked me about the moon. He said: When did you sight the moon ? I said: I sighted it on the night of Friday. He asked: Did you sight it yourself ? I said: Yes, and the people sighted it. They fasted and Mu'awiyah also fasted. He said: But we sighted it on the night of saturday. Since then we have been fasting until we complete thirty days or we sight it. Then I said: Are the sighting of the moon by Mu'awiyah and his fasts not sufficient for us? He replied: No. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) commanded us to do so.
How about Hardee's rakab
Salaam,
As far as i know, we as the members of the public should go with whenever the local Muslim Institutions say when eid is.
Respond to this video...
Mufti Taqi Usmani حفظه الله stated: ‘In Saudi Arabia the sighting of the moon has been accepted before even the birth of the moon on many occasions which is impossible in my view. I have discussed the situation with many Saudi Scholars and they are also disturbed with these occurrences. However, since this is in the hands of the Majlisul Qadha Al-A’la (Saudi Supreme Court Riyadh) they are helpless.’ (19th Rabi us Thani 1412AH)
Mr. Naik took the hadiths "Fast when you sight the moon and....." literaly. There is also a Hadiths which says Break the fast when you sight the darkness coming from there (Prophet sal pointing his finger at east).
Now my question is, Are we physically watching the sky getting dark at east when we end our fast or we are looking at the clock? Even when the Muathin, who make call for (Maqrib) prayer never look at the sky, but rather watching the clock.
The root word for sighting (with eye) 'Ra-a' · (رأى)
is mentioned in both hadiths. and it has many meaning other that '.see'. In Quran the same word comes in many places to mean ' to percieve', "to think", "have an opinion", "to regard".
If Muslims all over the world can perform Jumma prayer within 24 hours on Friday, why can't we celebrate Eid in a single day.
If we can employ science to calculate the sun movement and fix the time for 5 times prayer everyday, why can't we employ the same scieence to calculate the moon's phases and start the Islamic month in general and the Ramadhan in particular?
After all the Holy Quran (55:5) says that "The sun and the moon [move] by precise calculation" It also says (10:5) that the people can understand the calculation.
The Holy Quran (2:189)
talking about a calendar.
"People question you concerning the phases of the moon. Say: “They are signs to determine time (calendar) for the sake of people and for the Pilgrimage. ........"
According Mr. Naik, no calendar can be established if we accept his opinion as we don't even know how many days left in month how can we establish a calendar?
Does that mean Allah is talking about the timetable which is not humanly possible?
Asthaufirullah.
Wahid Saifudeen what astagfirullah. Allah made the world as it is and he gave different time zones to different places around the earth. Can you not use logic and stop trying to be like these other people ‘lets unite the ummah’. Like if a muslim came to them and asked for help and was in need, a lot of them wouldn’t even help him but yet you wanna unite the ummah by having Eid on the same day as everyone, going against science and the way Allah has designed the earth and the moon. If he wanted us to celebrate it on the same day then he would give everyone the sighting of the new moon on the same day but no he didn’t okay
@@SpinoBroshub
Bro.
I don't know how good are you in knowing basic Astronomy and geography.
We are already employing science in our daily 5 times prayer, eclipse prayers. Nobody is looking into the eastern sky getting dark to end our fasting as advised by the Prophet (sal). We end our fast by looking at timepiece. Even the 'muazzin' who recites Azan (Maqrib) don't look at the sky. He look at the wall clock/watch. (Nowadays cellphone)
Is sighting crescent is 'fardh' 'Sunnah' ?
It is neither Furdh nor Sunnah.
Do you know why our Prophet (sal) asked us to sight the crescent?
The answer is to start the iadah/month.
People of his time have no technology other than sighting the crescent physically to start the month. But now science has developed and we know exactly the time of new moon birth every month.
And there is no Quranic verse nor hadeeths which prohibits established scientific calculation to be employed in starting the month.
Let me say for instance. People in Bangladesh and Pakistan celebrating Eid on day one and India is celebrating on day two. Does this make any sense to you?
Do you know that India is located beween these two countries?
Do you think Allah has created one moon for Bangladesh and another for India.
Do you think Allah made Pakstanis and Bangladeshis to fast 29 days in this Ramadhan (1441) and 30 days for Indians?
In other word, Do you think Allah made this Ramadhan 29 days for some and 30days for others?
Don't forget that all these 3 countries were one piece of land some 70 years ago.
Allah has never created this world marking boundaries for every country. It is we human divided the land and marked the border for our own selfish motive some for administrative purpose some with military might.
These borderlines are not permenant. Within last 2 centuaries these borders came under so many changes.
The bounddaries have changed in the past.
They are changing in the present.
They will change in future.
One can't fast or doing 'Ibadah' or start lunar month based on boundaries. Boundaries are not the criterion for starting ibadah/month
Bro.
I don't know which country are you from. But it doesn't matter. Insha-Allah I can give example from your own backyard.
If you understand the basic correctly you will not deviate from the right path.
The purpose of Singhting the new moon (crescent) is to start the Ibadah/month. Nothing more, nothing less.
If we can meet that purpose with help of established science, why not use it?
Above all I know no Quranic verse nor hadeeths prohibits it.
Allah knows the best.
@@wahidsaifudeen1651
The muadhin may look at the clock or watch to start prayer
But
In the time of prophet Muhammad pbuh there weren't any and one did look the sky for the signs of sunset and sunrise.
It is very difficult to predict the forecoming weather and onset of sunrise and sunset timings of upcoming months or years hence for accurate conviction one does look at the sightings of the sunset and sunrise rather than looking at a pre designated man made calender
@@Bso513
So are you saying that we can't employ science to start the month but can use the same science to break the fast?
surat @;189 clearly mentions phases of the moon are dates for the mankind.surat yasin says we have fixed manzils for moon till urjoonil qadeem.now u can see 28phases for a month which is of 29 days and 29 phases for a month of 30days.
Dr Zakir Naik, Thanks for beautiful explanation 👍👍
I am not a muslim but am learning and may do shahadah soon. A question....I live in the middle of the city and can not always see the moon from my north or west windows in my condo. How would I compensate for this?
Assalamu alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu Wishing you well sister and hoping that bi iznillahi ta'ala you've accepted islam by now and taken your shahada.
As regards to your question you should refer to your local mosque
jazakallahu khairan
I think there is enough evidence in the Sahi Hadis that even if you get a shahadat from a small village in a remote location in South America. the Islamic Calender Date changes throughout the world.
How young he was 11 years back!!!
Asalamu Alaikum
I wonder then how we search night of kadar in ramadhan and also the day of Arafat. Should we follow saudi calender or our local one.
May be its for each different as per many hadiths n proofs ...
But for Arafaah I guess its uniform as its based on event of standing prior hajj ... so it could be 8th or 9th dhulhijaah for rest while for Saudi on 9th ... n Allah knows best
scientifically Dr. Zakir is correct but why not a shadah of a person of 1 area can be used for other areas and what is the daleel of creating a specific area where no such hadith mentions about area. the history has limitation of means of communication but there is no such limitation today, and Muslims are 1 ummat and these so called boundaries r new
Imagine prophet at that time in yr country , or in Africa or Western countries , I guess there wouldn't be phone or aeroplanes then n they would f9llow local moon sighting, or what do u say ... I don't think there was watsapp , youtube n other social media ??? Do u think it were der ?
I donot agreed with dr Zakir naik due to communication now a days you will accept Shada of moon from any where in the world
Plz put CC
its as clear s day and night...
All over Gulf the month of Fasting starts same day and Eid is in same day. Why not people all over India do it when moon us sighted in Kerala or Delhi ?
Because of mmt, makkah mean time, to establish commonality just like western calender has utc or prev. Gmt. Qfter makkah well celebrate eid
Please provide this vedio in Hindi language
There is no difference by day... There is only different by only hours ... Not by day..... So all must celebrate on one day and there is only one showval...... If like that why all have Friday on same day
yes..ulumas are not trying to learn the science and astronomy in this subject..then how can they give fatwas
I ALSO AGREE
Time difference is based on sun. But you must note that eid is celebrated according to lunar calendar based on moon. And first moon or the crede ent is not seen on the same date all over the world thus this difference.
Is there anyone who can use to Bangla? actually i can't understand dr zakir nayek what he said that. eid will be same day in the world or not? which it? please explain
Humayon Himu Bhai amra jodi khbor pai je eid er chaad kothau dekha gese amader oi khbor onujaie Eid palon kora ucit
akta Hadis ase je akbar Muhammad(s) o ttar ssathi-ra notun eid er chad dekhte pay nai tobe ochena ak muslim Nobi (s) er kase eshe bolsilen je ami Muslim,Ami Allah ke khoda hisbe mani ar Nobi (s) tar rasul.Ar ami notun Eid er chad dekhechi tokhone oi loker kotha sune Nobi (s) porer din Eid ghosona koren. APNI CAILE kisu boi kinte paren ei bishoyer upore tahole apni ar nishcit hoben. Amra muslim ra Bhai Bhai tai ak bhai Roja rakhbe arek bhai Eid korbe bepar ta thik na.Ager kale communication technology onek kharap silo tai notun chaad dekha geleo keu janto na. Akhone notun chaad kobe uthbe ta agei likkha thake.
Humayon Himu Kono Question thakle jiggash koiren
Dr. Zakir Naik, ja boleche Mr. Hamed Shah ta bikriti kore boleche
@Hamed Shah is right in this topic
uni sothik tao bolechen.
kindly search Islamic Calendar -speech by Ali Manikfan in English -youtube
These discussions are so tedious. "Which of the favours of your lord will you deny?" There is no doubt that one of the greatest gifts to mankind is our ability to "reason", which resulted in Islam's push for improving ourselves through education and scholarly works. This led to some of the greatest discoveries for mankind...again All favours of Allah... yet we deny. Use his favours, His gifts and we WILL have unity, well at least with the moon sightings... this would do away with the local vs Makkah argument and weather or not we see the moon. It astounds me that our educated scholars continue to debate something as trivial as this. Picking and choosing the Sunnah... Prophet used camels to travel around, Prophet carried a long staff, the prophet did many things due to the time and conditions... Do you really believe that the Prophet would not have used Allah's gifts to help unite his ummah. Through Islam and its contributions to the sciences we know the exact position, exact time,, exact phase of the moon for the next millennia and yet we squabble ... Sad times indeed.
The Prophet did accept the reports from other places, and he corrected, this means if we can spot the hilal ahead of time we can start the month. A date is a figure to denote a solar day
So is it wrong if we live in UK and follow saudia Arabia for starting Ramadan?
No
The day is same. But time is by your local time.
Malaysia, Makkah and West celebrated Eid in a day then in Sub continent who are in the middle, the Eid was two days later. Isn't something wrong here? What if a person travelled from Middle East to Sub continent at this time. He will be fasting for 32 or 33 days
Kiribati celebrates New Year 14+ hours earlier than USA
Even the english date can not be same in the world at the same time..
English calendar follows the solar time and the Hijri calendar follows the moon and not the sun.
foolish date and date are same only time is different..please use some brain
date and day is same..pls note the correction
He has answered correctly. Some may still ınsıst vased on theır whıms but it's not our hawa that decıdes but Allah.
Assalamualikum
Pls refer hadith no.ibn majah: 1653
DAWOOD :2333
Abu Dawood:2339
According to scientific knowledge
India is 2.4hrs faster than Saudi
Then moon will be sighted 2.4hrs earlier in India than Saudi.
Then why there is difference of 1 day in celebrating Eid in Saudi and India.
Refer Abu Dawood:2320
Allah s.w.t made only one moon on the earth. Is it possible that Allah set the moon for 30 days in one region and 29 days in other region.
Please give me response in lights of authentic dalaeel not on views.
B Thankyou
Muslim (Book 006, Hadith Number 2391)
that Kurayb, who traveled to Syria encountered the start of Ramadan there on a Friday, upon return to Medina, informed Ibn Abbas that he had seen the crescent-moon on the night of Friday, and that the people in Syria, including Muawiyah the governor, had fasted on Friday.
Please sir, understand .... Calendar and watch is not same. .... Watch represent sun . And calender represent moon. Calender has 4 attributes: 1. Year, 2. Month, 3. Date. 4 . Day. Suppose if we ask what is the day of on year 2018,month april , date 23rd? Ans is Monday... And it will remain as Monday... May be right now at england it 23rd april of year 2018 and at same time america is on 22nd April 2018 and it is sunday... When 23rd will come in america it will be monday..... Because it is the same calendar... If it changes means either it is local calendar . because 1st day of Ramadhan is different day in turkey and india. So muslim of those regions are following different calender. So my question is which calender MR. Naik is following?
So every village should have a separate calendar?
if u do not start fasting ourselves in a single day thought out the world then we might miss the lailatul kadar .how its possible having different lailatul kadar nights.its illogical.
Its not when saw said look for it in the last 10 nights.
@@SpinoBroshub
Do you think people will have lailathul kadhir on different days in the last 10 days.
By the way, how do you calculate last 10 days if you don't know the last day of Ramadhan?
If a particluar Ramadhan ends with 30 days you can calculate the last 10 days starting from day 21.
But if the month ends wirh 29 days, you have to count from 20 th day.
Since you don't know in advance that how many days in that Ramadhan, how are you going to get the last 10 days or "Lailathul Khadir"?
Not only in the last 10 days but also in odd days (21,23,25,27 & 29)
If you are start fasting in day one you will get the odd days correctly.
But if some one started fasting on day 2, his/her odd day will be your even day and your odd days will be his/her even day.
Again the same question arises.
Has Allah made "lailathul khadir" on different day for different people/country?
Wahid Saifudeen Allah knows best.
It is illogical
@ShahadahProject Mufti Taqi Usmani 19th Dhul Hijja 1412 AH: I have replied to you letter and I hope that you have now received the earlier letter. In Saudi Arabia the sighting of the moon has been accepted before even the birth of the moon on many occasions which is impossible in my view. I have discussed the situation with many Saudi Ulama and they are also disturbed with these occurrences however since this is in the hands of the Majlisul Qadha Al-A’la Riyad they are helpless.
People still differ if they're living in the same area too bear that in mind
Im clear after Zakir
Dear Shakeb Safvi.
Please note that the system sight seeing for fasting of Ramzan and the celebration of Eid has not got to do any thing with the system of airlines or so called meetings etc. Please note that the Sun and Moon as well as their calender systems all are related to Islam, further more note that Islam is not against the solar calendar system. The thing is that we are bound to follow our Prophet; and the Prophet said "You (all) must fast on observing the moon".
@ImageOFlove Mufti Taqi Usmani 19th Dhul Hijja 1412 AH: I have replied to you letter and I hope that you have now received the earlier letter. In Saudi Arabia the sighting of the moon has been accepted before even the birth of the moon on many occasions which is impossible in my view. I have discussed the situation with many Saudi Ulama and they are also disturbed with these occurrences however since this is in the hands of the Majlisul Qadha Al-A’la Riyad they are helpless.
I am still confuse, hope some muslim friend will clear me... In Saudi it got celebrated on 23rd, in India on 24th. According to science moon shows first in India then in Saudi, so why are we 1 day behind? Few people says something, it would be good if this is answered.... Saudi people thinks they are real Muslim and Indians/Pakistani/Bangladeshis are converted so they ask them to celebrate later. Another story is - When Prophet celebrated Eid in Saudi, the news to come to part of India took 1 day since some one has to send the news via Horse/Camel/Pigeon..... Hope I am sounding good, sorry if any muslim brother gets offended. But I am curious to know this.
day should start from the west side of International date line..day and date should be same for all ...Shawal one is day..if it falls on friday for the whole world it should be friday..2:189 clearly mentions phases of the moon are dates for the mankind..not for Muslims only pls note for the mankin..error less calendar
Moon comes there before India becoz Saudi is located in more west than India and The moon rises on the western sky
ahda lucky
God he zakir meke
I have one doubt..
If Saudi celebrates eid. Should I Fast ??
@Supersalmanqureshi Mufti Taqi Usmani 19th Dhul Hijja 1412 AH: I have replied to you letter and I hope that you have now received the earlier letter. In Saudi Arabia the sighting of the moon has been accepted before even the birth of the moon on many occasions which is impossible in my view. I have discussed the situation with many Saudi Ulama and they are also disturbed with these occurrences however since this is in the hands of the Majlisul Qadha Al-A’la Riyad they are helpless.
people who follow soudi use their logic with no quranic or hadith reference. It is not possible my friend to follow saudi.. what would u do if somewhere in the world you sign the moon by your own eyes but soudis don`t declare eid.. whats then ?
our moon is not in Saudi Arabia. Our moon is in the sky. We follow the date only by physical sighting of a Muslim anywhere in the world and not Saudi Arab only.
To obey the command of Allah and his Rasool, logic is not required. If it is from Quran and Hadith, it is accepted without any questions. Also about the moon in Quran and Hadith, there is no mention of a particular region for moon sighting. RasulAllah (saw) accepted the Moon sighting of another region and also broke the fast on 30 Ramadhan.
Abu ‘Umayr ibn Anas reported from his paternal uncles among the Ansaar who said: “It was cloudy and we could not see the new moon of Shawwaal, so we started the day fasting, then a caravan came at the end of the day and told the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that they had seen the new moon of Shawwaal the day before, so he told the people to stop fasting, and they went out to pray the Eid prayer the next day.”[Reported by the five. It is sahih; al-Irwaa’, 3/102, Abu Dawud 1153]
Abu Dawud (2333, 2334) that the Muslims did not begin fasting since they did not see the moon. Then a man, from out of Madinah, came and told the Prophet (saaw) that he had seen it (the moon). The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم asked him if he was a Muslim to which the man answered in the affirmative. The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم then said: “Allahu-Akbar! one is enough for all Muslims” The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم fasted and asked the people to stop eating and start fasting. [Al-Mabsout by Imam Sarkhasi; 3-52]
Dont follow Saudi , follow what in quran and sunnah said.
@@find111i agreed with yoi
We follow moon, not Saudi.
It is a common sense.
The indians/pakistanis celebrate different date I don't why but the rest of the Muslim world celebrate same day.
but what about Pakistan who not celebrate with Mecca , even is diference only 2 hours?....
Think👇
well i agree its impossible to see moon all over the world in a day. but why don't we follow the first sighting of moon from all over the world and make it the global lunar calender.
don't just make makkah as center, it can be anyplace, from whereever the first sighting of moon is being found.
Right
Bro
Birth of the new moon every lunar month is a celestial affair. It is called geocentric conjunction. It doesn't happen on the earth. When it happens, the land (country) on the earth facing the moon will be midday. Since moon circle the earth in 29.53 days (average) it does not happens over the same country every month. Therefore we can't draw a fixed dateline like IDL.
The first people to sight the crescent (newmoon) are those who reach the sunset first after the conjuction. Not all those who reach their maqrib (sunset) time can sight the crescent. There are criteria. One of them is that the age of the crescent should atleast 20 hours old. Sometimes even 24 hours old crescent is hrad to be sighted. Everything depends on sun-moon elongation, percentage of the illumination (of the sunlight on moib), the condition of the sky.
Sometimes when the people in a country who sighted the crescent first right after their sunset, one or more countries in the east might have crossed their Shahar time.
Therefore it is difficult, if not impossible to bring all under one roof.
Yet we can with little exception(s) applied.
. As none can produce a perfect, flawless annual calendar of any kind, we do have few universal lunar calendar with minimum flaws. The Hijiri Committee of India has produced one of them.
I have posted the link below. Its a PDF file.
Link - mooncalendar.in/PDF/Hijri-1441-To-Print.pdf
FYI: Turkey govt held a conference few years back inviting experts (Ulemas and scientists in the field of astronomy) from all over the world and made an attempt to introduce a single universal lunar calendar. Turkey has submitted its own calendar. Hiri committee of India too submitted its for consideration.
Due to existing political turmoil in that part of the world the experts have postponed the first conference without announcing the date for the second one.
They need to meet few more times before come to an agreeable conclusion/calendar.
Insha-Alla when things get normal hope and pray they will retun to their table and resume their noble work.
Even if they come up with one, I think Saudi Arabia will be the last one to accept as Saudis and Turks don't like to see each other eye to eye.
THE CONCEPT OF ISLAM IS ONENESS and UNITY HENCE ALL MOMINS SHOULD FAST TOGETHER, BREAK FAST TOGETHER thats as per the quran, WHAT ARABS DO NON ARABS SHOULD FOLLOW. MUSLIMS HAVE TO MIGRATE TO SAUDI ARABIA TO LIVE TOGETHER FOR EVER. QURAN ASKS TO DO HAJJ , BUT NOT LEAVE MECCA- hence muslims can occupy the arabian peninsula.
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Lets say there is no Gregorian calendar in the world. I take a flight from US to Pakistan. I tell my folks that I'll be reaching there on the 22nd of Shawal. But when I reach there its the 21st of Shawal (in Pakistan). Now either the Islamic System is flawed or we're implementing it wrong. If there is complete Islamic System implemented throughout the World (InshaAllah) the Airline systems will fail, tele-meetings will have issues and computer systems will crash. Anyone care to comment on this?
This is completely illogical you are correct
when are devil chained? according to which area's moon?
when Night of Qadr comes? when in some area it is an odd night and in some it is even
When are Heaven gates opened and Hell gates are closed?
how is that KSA is celebrating eid and Pakistan is still fasting
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Exactly, this is illogical
Dr. Sahab se aise jawab ki ummeed nahi thi,aapne bahot si baaton par gour kiya or samjhane ki koshish ki lekin,sura yunus ki aayat no.5 ko na samjha or na samjhane ki koshish ki, isi tarah sure Touba ki 36,37 or sure Qadr ko bhi faramosh kar gaye.
Allaah k Rasool ne gawahi qubool ki or karne ko bhi kaha ibne majah 2118. Ye tamam baate faramosh kar gaye.
Taajjub hai k saari duniya me juma ki namaz to jume k din hi alag alag waqton me Ada ki ja sakti hai lekin namaze eedain alag alag waqton me saare mulk me Ada nahi ki ja sakti.😢😢😢😢
If July 31 is a Friday in Saudi Arabia, then July 31 in the United States will be Friday, although there is a time difference;
Similarly,
If the date of Dhū al-Ḥijjah 10 is 'Yawm al-Jumu‘ah' in Saudi Arabia, then Dhū al-Ḥijjah 10 will be Yawm al-Jumu‘ah in the United States, despite the time difference. This means that even though Americans fall asleep during Friday prayers in Saudi Arabia, they still pray Friday prayers on the same day.
Only one day can be marked against a date in the calendar, and it would be unreasonable and impractical to use a calendar that shows one day in the US and another day in Saudi Arabia towards a date.
The question that many ask is, whether to fast on the day of Arafat or on the 9th day of Dhū al-Ḥijjah. The question itself is unfounded because the day of Dhū al-Ḥijjah 9 in US should not be different from the day of Dhū al-Ḥijjah 9 in Saudi Arabia.
July 31 in Saudi and july 31 in usa is the same because you are using the gregorian calendar
Lunar calendar means this could be different date for both due to it being 29 or 30 days when using the lunar cycle
Lunar calendar is used to make it easy for muslims. If you ended up stranded somewhere or come from an isolated place and practice the religion, the lunar calendar of that region is what is used because you can sight the moon. You can't contact saudi in that case
As I know, Islamic day is starting with magrib...it's not following that 12.00am rule. So date can be differ
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If we are living in an isolated place it is ok to do ibada based on the information available, that doesn't mean the date is correct.
Two events at the time of the prophet (caravan n bedouins), prophet itself corrected the date
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Assalamualaikum brother,
A month is a collection of 29 / 30 solar days(24 hours), NOT the collection of lunar days(24h 50 minutes).
All solar days start in the world from IDL. It has nothing to do with Gregorian.
A date is a figure to denote a day in the month, they are not different.
If a day started at Magrib locally, the corresponding date will also start at Magrib locally
Al Bakra verse no;189 ..phases of the moon are dates for the mankind..and 55:5 says sun and moon follow exact calculation..we are accepting calculation of sun and I dont understand ulumas are not accpting calculation of the moon.Phophet said we do not know calculation and only thing we can do is observe the moon and fast(not to see with naked eye) if u cant observe the moon and doubtful complete 30days..but now there is no question of doubt..we know exactly where moon is.alll the Muslim scolars are behind confusing hadees...but in Quran itself its very clear...dates and day are already fixed by Allah ST..Surat Thuba verso no.36 and 37
if we complete 30 days no need of seeing the moon.so seeing the moon not the criteria .we should know whether moon takes 29 or 30 days during that month.Now we know very well in advance.Prophet said when we are in doubt complete 30 days..But we have no doubt we know exactly.for breaking the fast also he said the same thing..now who is looking at the sky for breaking the fast.Our ummah will never progress if we continue same attitude...
Tamton Farhad Can the Ummah progress, ignoring the Quran and the hadith?. How would a person know when the 1st day of the 29th or the 30th month has begun? The quran commands you to see the moon. And the prophet (saw) has said One is enough for all muslims.
Calculation and following the moon of the area is not mentioned. it is an innovation. I have mentioned all the reasons in my comment.
+ejaz amir Assalamu Alaikam,
Mr. Zakir seems to be wrong in this subject.
And the moon - We have determined for it phases, until it returns [appearing] like the old date stalk. (Quran : 36 : 39)
It is He who made the sun a shining light and the moon a derived light and determined for it phases - that you may know the number of years and account [of time]. Allah has not created this except in truth. He details the signs for a people who know (Quran 10: 5)
Please clearly re-read the above verses from Quran. If we observe the Wanning Crescent for 3 days we can understand that, finally , it will reach like an old stalk (the last visible moon), and the day followed by the last visible moon day is no-moon day.
As Quran is the first holy book we have to refer...
Allah created this phases to understand the date, as explained in Qurnan 10:5. So the day after the no-moon day is the first day of the next month. This is very simple.
There is a ‘date’ for a ‘day’ , that will be same all over the world. A particular ’date’ and a ’day’ are tightly coupled. If ‘Ramadan 1’ is ‘Jumua day ‘ in America ,
‘Ramadan 1’ should be ‘Jumua day ‘ in Australia, Soudi Arabia , India etc.
If 'day' has got multiple dates .. than calendar is illogical, unscientific and unpractical
Very true...we are performing prayer looking at the clock..1400 years back they used to hammer a stick on ground and observe the angle of shadow to measure time..and we complete 30 days dont have to see the moon...so seeing the moon is not the criteria...
Muslim umma have got the light and still searching in dark ...
arguing is not stupid thing...if we accept uniform Calendar we can proudly say the only religion which follows Natural Calendar is ours..I can say proudly that I was born on Muharram 4,1384..how many of u can say as per Islamic Calendar your date of birth?Phophet S.W wont say foolish things like to look at the sky on a day when we cant see the moon with naked eye.(there should be atleast 30-40 minutes difference between sunset and moonset to see the moon) it is ahilla not hilal (phases of the moon. all should try to follows Prophets path by observing the moon thoughout the month.that way also u can countercheck the date if u try to learn.
A newly converted Muslim is like a new born infant who is clean from sin :) You are lucky Brother you would become a Muslim.. and try to keep yourself clean and away from sin, give charity help poor, and pray to Almighty God and you will go direct in Paradise:)
coz whatever you done in the past you were non-believer you didnt know that the God exist or you would be accountable for crimes you make..
now you know so be clean and pray for your other brother and sisters :)
Brother Fiham Mohammed ..though time is different day is same..only time difference is there..we all are praying Juma on Friday.If Friday is Shawal 1 it will same throughout the world.Indains pray Juma prayer before Saudis..Australians pray Juma before Indians do..there is order for all Ibadaths.Its scientific.How come only Eid prayer and day different for different people...please do think
Dear Brother Mukthar...pls refer 9:36, ..2:189, 55:5 , without refering Quran accepting hadees is baseless.Prophet S.W said we do not know calculation...he addressed about this subject to illiterate. we are trying to be illiterate still now..Is there any calendar system taught by Prophet? yes that is natural calendar..day should be where the moon is..it is already fixed by All knowing Allah.now we know the exact calculation..which is perfect till the end of this world...pls dont make this Religion complicated and not acceptable...
Sanjay khaan
they should maintain the time of UK :)
Ok lets agree that every country should follow their own area to break fast and celebrate Eid. So why do Pakistanis in the UK follow Pakistan time of Ramadhan and eid while they live in the UK?. It doesn't make any sense kinda stupid still! :S
KR BOYZ no we don’t. Idc if this comment is old. We follow the moon sighting in the uk and if it hasn’t been sighted then the nearest following country which is Morocco!
@@me-oh9du Yes but there are some Pakistanis in the UK that follow Pakistan moons sighting.
Arguing about starting fast or celebrating Eid on the same day is a stupid thing. it is like the story of the rats arguing about who will bell the cat. Now if the Muslims of Japan happens to find the moon before Saudi Arabia, would the Saudis follow the shahaada or evidence of the Japanese Muslims? Differing is not disunity because we are allowed to differ if it is based on Sunnah. But agreeing to fix a date like Christmas worldwide is definitely not sunnah as the Prophet said : he who follows a people is part of them. Such a difference regarding Eid occured in the time of the Sahabah and they accepted it. so why the fuss? It is only our thinking which has to be kept in line with that of the Sahabah. they used to live in the Sohbat , (companionship) of the prophet. we live in the sohbat of the Kuffar . our thinking tend to follow their line. We have to be reprogrammed and conform to the sunnah ways instead of toeing the kuffar line.
My question is if the moon is sighted at one point upto what radius or for how many longitudes it would be valid based on Islamic text. "Countries" which are based on lines drawn by the colonists cannot be used for Islamic rulings.
And also if we can base our salat on calculation of the sun timings, why cant we calculate the new moon's arrival and base our calenders on that?
THEN JUMA PRAYER SHOULD ALSO BE IN DIFFERENT DAYS.PLEASE USE SOME LOGIC. THERE IS ONE ONE MOON..phases of the moon are dates for mankind sura2;189
Saudis are incorrect.
During the prophets time. How would someone pass the news on that its EID, It would take days for the news to be propagated (across Europe to Africa)
It has to be based on local timings (just as prayer)
NO technology camel back and horses
Sorry but it's an Illogical answer. Sun does its duty correctly but the moon plays hide and seek? the country which is divided by British will define the limits of sharai ahkaam? and for Shabe-e-Qadar Jabrayeel AS has to visit the earth 2 or sometimes 3 visits because some part of the world decided to start fasting according to their country. And it's never a natural phenomenon that there will be a difference in 1 whole day! and 2 days is out of a world idea! That means Islam is not global it's local! One Allah, One Qhibla, One Quran, and One Ummah and different day celebrations!
Bro you are illogical...... How can u decide that Jibrael has to come 2 times... Allah plans very well and he can do whatever is true
How illogical you are ? How can Moon be sighted over all world on the same day or same night ?
I did not know I was a brother......last time I checked I was a sister....unless my cat did something to me while I was away taking care of my mom after she had nasal correction surgery. meow meow!
this explanation doesn't work its all a political issue...how can 2 countries differ when they literally have a gate between them separating them common
follow your local mosque which does local moon sighting for you
Assalamu Alaikam,
Mr. Zakir seems to be wrong in this subject.
And the moon - We have determined for it phases, until it returns [appearing] like the old date stalk. (Quran : 36 : 39)
It is He who made the sun a shining light and the moon a derived light and determined for it phases - that you may know the number of years and account [of time]. Allah has not created this except in truth. He details the signs for a people who know (Quran 10: 5)
Please clearly re-read the above verses from Quran. If we observe the Wanning Crescent for 3 days we can understand that, finally , it will reach like an old stalk (the last visible moon), and the day followed by the last visible moon day is no-moon day.
Allah created this phases to understand the date, as explained in Qurnan 10:5. So the day after the no-moon day is the first day of the next month. This is very simple.
There is a ‘date’ for a ‘day’ , that will be same all over the world. A particular ’date’ and a ’day’ are tightly coupled. If ‘Ramadan 1’ is ‘Jumua day ‘ in America ,
‘Ramadan 1’ should be ‘Jumua day ‘ in Australia, Soudi Arabia , India etc.
YES.DEFINITELY WRONG
If this was true sunset and sunrise would have been same in all countries. Basic logic
Allah swt does not create confusion
Al-Baqarah 2:187
And eat and drink until the white thread of dawn becomes distinct to you from the black thread [of night]. Then complete the fast until the night [i.e., sunset].
This is a general verse for the entire ummah and is based on sightings in your area
Just as one follows the timings of prayer according to sun and moon sightings in their locality and not Saudi Arabia or other countries
Our timings for prayer , fasting,eating , sleeping are designated according to timings of our own localities,countries and not other nations
Zul-Hejja ه ١٣٩٩ (Sheikh Bin Baaz) The grand scholar Mufti of Saudi Arabia (Al Bathul Islami p 63) After doing extensive research on this issue, he concludes with this statement. ‘As for those who say that it is necessary to follow the sighting of Makkah then let it be known that there is no proof or basis for this in the Holy Qur’an and Sunnah’.... Dr Zakir Naik Lier.
As-salamu Alaykum
If your a Zionist then fuck off! If a Muslim then listen and understand what the person is saying!
He quoted a scholar not the quran. Listen again my friend
brother once you except the islam you will the answer,
the first term is to say ( there is no god but Allah, Mohammad peace be upon is the prophet of Allah) second is prayer, third is fasting.
What u mean, no questions answered, just do, so thats islam bro
He is the foolest guy on earth with ultra sharp memory.