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The problem is principally L plated moped delivery drivers. This has got materially worse since the advent of Deliveroo etc. and our major cities are plagued by them; they ride down pavements, ignore road closure barriers, whip in and out of traffic, ride in mandatory cycle lanes, ride at traffic on the wrong side of the road etc. Children on bicycles generally have better roadcraft. The law needs to change - they should not be allowed to ride these with L plates after a mere CBT.
It's more a behaviour thing than an education thing I suspect. I'm not sure passing a test would help.
@@paulsengupta971 Agree it won't entirely fix due to the pressures of delivery timetables (DPD van drivers being a prime example) but it will help get off the road those that literally cannot drive, for which the CBT does nothing of substance.
Not allowing them to ride "for hire or reward" would fix the problem of delivery riders on L-plates. I cannot understand how this is not already the case. I'm pretty sure it was when I was a learner.
@@weevilinabox Delivery riders (and drivers) ARE legally required to have delivery insurance. In my experience (investigating traffic collisions for insurance companies) a large proportion of them don't have the correct insurance. Unfortunately this usually only comes to light after they have a collision
Riding on an L plate after a CBT I don't have a problem with.
It should however be illegal to ride for reward (I.E. ride as part of your job) on an L plate
In Physics, the Planck length is defined as the smallest possible unit of length. A real-world example of the Planck length is the distance that most takeaway delivery riders leave between themselves and the vehicle they’re following.
LOL, I like that :D
Brilliant comment!!
I would like to say that they would also be violating the Pauli Exclusion Principle if they where as close as a Planck length ;)
I love comments that make me work for my amusement.
@@PedroConejo1939 Great way of putting it!
I'm full time on a motorbike now and I almost never stop for pedestrians on roundabouts. When I used to have my car I would check behind, if it was clear I would stop for them. If there was a potential hazard behind me like an SUV who's not paying attention, or a motorbike who might get rear ended - or overtake me and cause a hazard, then I would just keep going it's much safer for everyone involved as most drivers (and pedestrians) are not expecting you to just stop in the middle of a roundabout.
Too right and I believe the highway code actually backs up that approach anyway.
I'm not going to check it right now, but this new stuff about giving way to peds "looking like" they are wanting to cross has the usual caveat of "if it's safe to do so"?
Of course, it adds all manner of grey areas and confusion with expecting people to somehow know about other road-users' intentions and their ideas of 'safe' like a damned mind-reader, but, let's face it, all these new rules have done (and it's probably part of the intention) is make it easier for insurance companies to blame the 'less vulnerable' road-user in any incident, no matter what.
Hasn't Ashley himself even tried (and failed) to get clarification on the application of the new rules when relating to roadabouts?
Yet one of his viewers seems happy to berate someone for being frustrated with them for doing it...
That rider was too close and was frustrated, but the reason for that is almost certainly not impatience, but because he felt extremely vulnerable being forced to stop on a roundabout with other cars bearing down on him.
6:20 not sure if stopping here was the best decision in terms of traffic flow, it also left motorcyclist in the middle of a roundabout, blocking others. You can argue that he must have thought about it, but would you, considering the previous 4 cars didn't stop?
The girls were obviously quite happy waiting for a safe gap in the traffic
Completely agree, absolutely beautiful riding by the Police. Road was nice and wide and as you say that offside position improves position significantly. It's obviously not a technique limited to bikes as it's something we do in the Ambulance service too. My guess is they were doing a high speed driving training segment of their course. This is where they don't use blue lights but do claim their speed exemption. It allows them to get used to higher speeds, appropriate overtaking etc. without having to deal with the un predictability of the general public and blue lights.
Yes, it was a textbook manoeuvre, especially by the third rider, who beautifully demonstrated the benefit of adopting an extreme offside position _without_ committing to the overtake, allowing them to abandon safely. I suspect that the driver of the dark car might have been a little confused.
10 out of 10.
6:23 To be fair to the biker, it would even make me nervous to now be sat in the middle of the roundabout. With it being a small roundabout the bike was now blocking everything, and the vehicles entering to the left will be looking right not straight ahead to where the biker was probably sat. Not just impatience but i think the biker felt a huge sense of vulnerability. That's why he got angry, he feared the anticipation of a potential accident.
Totally agree, you are assuming that the biker knew that the driver was going to stop, the pedestrians didn't look like they were ready to cross. I got my back wheel clipped on a roundabout when riding my bike, car drivers don't notice motorcycles. It's a pretty stupid rule anyway when there's a lot of traffic using the roundabout, I always let the vehicles go for my own safety when crossing which either due to ignorance of the rule or because they felt safer these girls were doing.
@@mookyzook It's also a possibility to why the biker sped off in the end, he knew what the cammer was going to say. The biker just didn't feel safe. At least that was my take on the clip.
Exactly my thoughts! And exactly why I think this new aspect of the highway code is poorly thought out.
Stopping on the exit of a roundabout means a. You might get rear-ended by someone who is expecting you to accelerate rather than stop and b. Leaves all the following traffic stranded and exposed in the middle of the roundabout. The pedestrians waiting are completely safe to wait as long as required before they can cross safely. The HWC change has traded the convenience of pedestrians for the safety of road users.
It makes sense to let traffic safely flow away naturally from a roundabout instead of stopping.
Your cammer's response to an initially safe overtake at 5:25 speaks to how little understanding many (most?) drivers have of what a well trained and well positioned motorcyclist can see and do.
Exactly! Advanced riders/drivers know what they're doing......
You do wonder if the cammer was paying attention. Imagine doing that on you AIM run, the observer would have a baby.
@@mattsmith4605 Are you suggesting that the overtake would be frowned upon by IAM? Making progress safely - and this looked safe to me, as far as it's possible to tell from dashcam footage - was actively encouraged during my RoSPA training.
And cammer wouldn't think that was a textbook example of how motorbikes can safely make effective progress past traffic.
@@idonotwantahandle2 Certainly not. Could be a farm gate further ahead and a farm vehicle pull out, not expecting a knobber to be doing well over the speed limit on the wrong side of the road.
There could be mud or dirt on the road, again pulled onto the road by a farm vehicle. Why increase risk by riding at organ-donor speeds?
06:40 The biker riding off instead of letting the cammer get his word in is quite funny.
But in all seriousness the fact the pedestrians didnt cross prior to the car stopping and the stoppping car left the motorbike vulnerable at the roundabout shows how bad the change is. The road is for vehicles. There are designated crossing points where cars should yield that are clearly marked. These should have been installed instead of making an foolish change to the code with no thought to how that would affect people on roads built with the assumption of a certain heirarchy for safety.
Exactly. There's no way I'm sitting there waiting to get rear ended because someone may or may not cross the road.
I get the point that the driver is clearly so keen to contest but is that really a safe and sensible application of the new guidance?
"I kNoW tHe hIGhWaY cOdE cHanGeS" but he fails to apply them in a way which actually keeps people safe... He brake checked the rider behind (who also looks to be too close, unless it's entirely down to camera distortion, which is another factor) and blocked up the junction. The rider clearly hasn't got the memo but at the same time, he has just been left high and dry in the middle of a roundabout which would leave me feeling pretty nervous honestly.
You *should* give way to pedestrians waiting to cross but in this situation, the cammer is largely responsible for causing the conflict by making a decision which was not for the better overall, in my opinion.
I know for sure that if I were facing the cammer's situation on my motorbike, I am *NEVER* stopping as the cammer stopped just to wait to be rear ended.
You are 100% spot on how bad and conflicted the changes are when the intention and interpretation is so open.
. Well done for using the correct term. 'Should'. Not 'Must'. Very misinterpreted in the media at the time of introduction. It is a 'Should do' rule and cannot be reinforced. It is only taken into account if you ignore it and results in an accident.
Also this rule is for anybody turning off into a street. They were not turning off. It doesn't even apply.
Loving the mutual respect from everyone in the overtaking of the cyclist clip 3:30
The cyclist pushing a little bit more to get over the hill quicker, the patience of the motorcycle rider and the double arm out thank you to each other 👍👍
totaly agree!
All delivery companies should not accept riders with L plates. Im sick and tired of these delivery riders.
That, and holding the company responsible for insurance and other paperwork compliance. If dangerous riding (to self or others) had a financial impact on the employer, we might see less of it. Won't happen though, because money to be made.
I think it should not be legal for learners to drive for work purposes.
Other than their disgusting business practices, delivery riders’ shocking roadcraft is a big reason I refuse to use these delivery services.
In the long distant past, about 25 years ago, I worked for Pizza Hut as a rider. Of 15-20 riders I think three of us had full licences, we argued as much as we could that it would make sense to help riders get there full licence even if it was just a loan that was forgiven after a couple of years. The store manager was OK, but the area manager and head office had no interest at all and just wanted cheaper new riders.
these amateur delivery apps will do anything until the law forces them to stop. I don't have time to do a deep dive. is there a line in the UK highway code that prohibits a learner motorcyclist from riding for hire? if not, there should be.
"It's not long 'til I pick up my new motorbike, and I've been binge-watching videos to find out little tips that are going to help me."
I was going to drive in America, so I binge-watched US driving videos. I was terrified!
Yep, also keep in mind that their licensing system is 1000x better than here. They have to start on a low cc bike, period. Here we take the MSF and go buy a Hayabusa! 😂
I will say on the clip at 1:00, I fully and wholly agree with you here Ashley, but the car driver was awful (a bit worse than slightly poor positioning from the motorcyclist imo). Rolling back momentarily on a hill start is a small, expected operation error. Rolling back continuously when waiting at lights, seemingly completely oblivious to it, is a terrible concentration error and indicative of very bad habits.
The police motorbike riders overtaking with a left hand bend approaching were spot on. I go out with mates in kits and have told them to stay right in left handers when overtaking in convoy because that is the safest way to do it. By staying out wide you also signal to following cars that you can see ahead and that it is still clear of oncoming traffic. We all know if the lead car pulls back into the left hand lane then he has seen a vehicle approaching and we react accordingly. It works beautifully when everyone is on the same page. Really enjoying your vids and advice btw, keep them coming 👌
I’ve been riding motorbikes for 53 years and there’s a lot of idiots out there , with experience of accidents of course ( luckily not mine) I still can’t understand those motorcyclist who ride without any body protection, short sleeve shirts , no gloves etc , my mates and me call them peelers ( imagine hitting the road dressed like that , reference cycling lanes sometimes they also allow motorcyclist to use them in some towns and cities. Happy riding on your bike 😊👍👍
My driving instructor (who was AAA+++) taught me to stop so you can see the underside of the vehicle in front. It gives you lots of options should you need it.
"Tyres on tarmac" I was taught. See where their rear wheels touch the floor. If you're worried about being jacked it's even further back - you basically don't want to stop rolling.
@@Rapscallion2009 Yup. You communicated it better than I!
"It wasn't red, but they could've easily stopped." True, but this wouldn't even figure in the thought process of someone whose whole mindset is "What can I get away with?".
Don't forget, most people think the single orange is the GO REALLY REALLY FAST light.
Not sure it would have been an easy stop in the wet with a passenger on-board.
It was wet and slippery, well done on going through.
At the speed they were travelling, especially in the wet, they would have struggled to safely bring the bike to a stop before the junction.
@@psychplays9481 All that means is that where traveling to fast for the conditions as they approached the lights. You have to be prepared for them to change.
6:50. Yep staggered formation was required.
When in my car I do this to protect my car from scrapes and bumps, when on my motor bike I do this to protect my life.
Best tip I ever got was assume everyone's an idiot, and dress for the fall, not the weather.
My late father was a nurse and often had to deal with the aftermath of a collision involving an improperly dressed motorcyclist. He did admit to being a little more exuberant with the nail brush that was used to remove the gravel that inevitably ends up embedded in the skin, especially on scooter/moped riders.
Dress for the slide, not the ride, for sure.
Dan Dan the Fireman is brilliant channel for safty tips and entertaining to watch!
Excellent overtake of the cyclist by the motorcyclist, a fair few ride too close to cyclists because they assume its safe due to the width of motorcycles. What they don't understand is how frightening it can be on an open road to have a screaming motorcycle pass at speed.
The police riders are highly skilled. I was taught to ride my motorcycle by an advanced rider. The best piece of advice was to read the police roadcraft handbook. Packed full of really good information.
Yes to both comments. It wasn't until I had training from an ex-police rider and read both Roadcraft manuals that I started to really see all the crappy situations I was getting myself into.
A few years back I was on a dual carriageway in the fast lane when I approached a container lorry overtaking another so I held back when a motorcyclist came haring up undertaking me and pulled in behind the overtaking lorry. But that wasn't the end he then moved back to the centre line, lining himself up to the gap in between the lorries and I just thought no don't even attempt it . Fortunately the two lorry drivers also cottoned on to this and closed the gap up a bit before he had the chance, but you knew his intentions.
The problem with giving way on the exit of a mini roundabout is it leaves the following bike (or car) broadside to the next numpty looking to his/her right and not ahead ... I've seen a few close misses.
I was a dispatch rider in London for two years and have seen (and done) a lot of stupid things because of impatience. The one that sticks with me the most is the Zebra crossing zig zags. I almost took out a young child on the crossing I didn't see, as they were small and hidden behind cars. That was 30 years ago and I've never done it since. I do wonder how many people actually have a driving experience like that and actually learn from it.
"I do wonder how many people actually have a driving experience like that and actually learn from it."
More than 30 years ago I spent 9 months dispatch riding in London. It was routinely terrifying, and the lesson has stayed with me ever since, and I've always been a careful driver because of it.
My friend who was a despatch rider hit a pram once when a woman pushed it out from between parked cars. He had no chance of avoiding it without a head on with a vehicle in the other direction and it really shook him up. Luckily the child was not hurt. They tried to prosecute him but a shop keeper who saw it all happen, indeed tried to warn the woman stood up for him.
Pet Hate is that people overtake on zebra crossings when someone gives way to padestrians as it's padestrians priority and that you are required to give way to them. I was at New Cross Hospital crossing over a Zebra Crossing that a bus driver let me go. Then some dick in a van tried to overtake and nearly ran me over! I was not happy! You do not overtake on crossings! This is how accidents and casaulties happen!
I think someone has to be a particular type of special to overtake on a crossing. I suspect in your case the van driver didn't see the crossing and just assumed the bus was stopping for bus stopping reasons.
The good news, if there is any, is that the nature of the offence of not stopping for a pedestrian who is on the crossing (strict liability) means there is no legal defence. Easy prosecution.
in my state, it is a violation to overtake a person stopped at a pedestrian crossing, if there are pedestrians present.
As an ex bus driver I can tell you that buses get overtaken at crossings several times a day. For some reason, many drivers behind a bus assume that buses only ever stop for bus stops. So their "mental autopilot" causes them to immediately pass a stationary bus without even looking beyond the back of it.
@@cargy930 very true!
I ride myself. It amazes me how often drivers think it's okay to invade on a rider's side of the road because we're not as wide as a car. I've had many cutting corners, or passing me on the inside, sandwiching me between two cars because they don't want to wait behind me. And even drivers tailgate me. They never seem to realize how dangerous that can be, and how nervous that makes us feel.
And yet when bikers do it for most bikers that seems to be perfectly fine. Some of the "filtering" in the clips demonstrates this. They overtake in the oncoming lane and expect the oncoming traffic to make way for them. That's the exact invading on the other side of the road you describe.
@@ArminGrewe I know, and thats why it's shown in this video. as that isn't good behavior either.
@@ArminGrewe I think it depends if the traffic is at a standstill or going very slowly in the other direction. I always make space if I can for motorcyclists to filter as a motorcyclist myself. But it's amazing how arrogant and selfish some drivers are, who deliberately pull to the right to stop bikes overtaking. We are more vulnerable and affected by the weather than those in cars.
@@mookyzookI'm mostly referring to moving traffic, with some bikers expecting oncoming traffic to swerve for them. If the traffic is at a standstill or just crawling I agree it's less of an issue and even as a non biker have no problems letting careful bikers through provided I have the space.
As the original post mentioned tailgating, obviously that's wrong for a driver to do, actually regardless if it's to a car or a bike. But by the same token bikers need to stop tailgating cars just as well. While in most cases not as dangerous for the driver it induces stress for the driver. Don't do to others what you don't want done to you
Problem with cycle lanes in London is, that they were created by taking space of the the roads. Roads that were already narrow. Now, on many of them, filtering is impossible. To add the insult to injury, many cyclists are still on the roads. What you see, is a result of frustration. L plated scooter riders are often a menace. But on some issues I can relate with them.
Videos are shared all the time from frustrated car drivers of cyclists on the road, right next to a cycle lane, but the clips normally end just before showing where the cycle lane ends and a cyclist is supposed to merge with unsuspecting traffic and risk death. In these cases it's both faster and safer for cyclists to stay in the road and to not use the cycle lane. It's only once the cycle infrastructure is good enough that a cyclist can get from A to B entirely on protected and fast cycle lanes that they'll pick that over the road.
@@TastyPC In that case. Where the cycle paths aren't good enough. They should be removed, and the roads made better for everyone.
@@pajownik That's a short sighted outlook. It would be better to continue expanding the cycle infrastructure network until it's fit for purpose. As things improve you'll see more people choosing to cycle and there will be less car traffic, benefitting everyone. Keep in mind that adding more lanes for cars does not make traffic better, it actually makes car traffic worse. That may sound counter-intuitive but it's called "induced demand". The USA is a bit further ahead than us on the "just one more lane" mentality and now they have up to 26 lane freeways that still get filled with traffic. The only way to fix traffic and get people moving is to give people safe, reliable, affordable and fast alternatives to cars. Car drivers should welcome this because every person who doesn't pick a car, is one less car in the queue in front of them.
@@TastyPC "Induced demand" is a social engineering term, that I call manipulation. Millions of people starved to death by Mao and Stalin would say something about it. But they're dead. It always starts innocent and "for your own good". I have seen first hand what "beautiful utopia" can do to country and society. Ad there always will be narcissists who claim they know, how to fix everything.
@@pajownik If you want to talk about manipulation I'd ask that you consider what car dependent infrastructure does to one's freedom of movement. Living somewhere where you can't get anywhere without a licence (permission from the state) and an expensive vehicle that takes 10%-25% of your yearly earnings doesn’t sound very free to me. In an ideal world people would drive if they want to, but also have the option to take public transport or cycle, but that means investing in those other modes of transport.
I don’t claim to be any kind of expert personally, I’m just commenting based on what I’ve seen happening around me over the years and parroting some of the explanations I’ve heard from actual experts.
The "just one more lane bro" approach always seems to result in just one more lane of congestion after a few years. It seems like common sense that a lane of cars carries less people than a lane of buses or a lane of cyclists.
l started riding a Motorcycle in 1962 when there was nothing like the traffic and congestion. No cycle or bus lanes, Nothing like as much 'street furniture'.. when pedestrians would wait until a vehicle stopped before crossing as opposed to stepping out with that 'l have the right' attitude... The kids on mopeds and small scooters are not proper motorcyclists.... They give us old 'Rockers and Mods' a bad name...
As I’ve said many a time, a motorcycle can be a safe mode of transport, but, a lot depends on the ‘nut holding the handlebar!
I like your vids, Ash. Very even-handed with your criticism and free with your good will.
As a driver, motorcyclist, cyclist, pedestrian and human I see a lot of stupid behaviour on the roads, but never more than as a motorcyclist (that's _as_ a motorcyclist, not just _from_ motorcyclists).
I commuted into central London from near Colchester for years, daily, and the number of incidents of bad behaviour I saw from all road-user types over that time might shock anyone not familiar with similar regular journeys.
Continual and regular recklessness, selfishness, lack of consideration, complacency, stupidity, etc.
What stuck out to me in this vid was your criticism of the motorcyclists (and scooterists) using the cycle lane. You are spot on with the (paraphrasing you) "if you're doing something that silly to begin with, to then not even do the life-saver check is just abysmal" concept.
Personally, I understand the occasional 'abuse' of the cycle lanes in cities when they are often barely used and occupy space that for years previous had made awful heavy traffic bearable for bikes (both powered and pedalled).
Councils should be encouraging motorcycle and scooter use, not crippling it, even if in favour of bicycles.
BUT, politics(ish) aside, of course, if it's a cycle lane then it's a cycle lane and you should respect that and if you're going to 'make use' of it against the law, then AT LEAST try and be extra safe!
A good rule for riding (and other road use) I have found is, if you think it might not be legal then that's almost certainly because it's dangerous for someone involved (even if that's not you), so best to not do it or, if you feel you really need to, proceed with _extreme caution_.
So, to do something you _know_ is against the rules _and_ do it without even _normal_ caution is just plain stupid.
3:01 was definitely not filtering, just straight up overtaking, and for unknown reasons not getting back in before continuing. This kind of overtake is never ok.
That crash was a bit bizarre, it was as if he'd fallen asleep or something!
Here's the thing about my bike (and any other in the mid class or above). I have really good acceleration from about 20mph, well into ticketland (though that part of the speedo is only for track use). I'm also fairly narrow. Not 125 narrow, but narrow enough.
I do not need much space to safely overtake slow-moving traffic.
I'm able to routinely, safely complete overtakes which would absolutely terrify me in a car.
I'm also able to position myself in ways a car driver cannot, which can give me a much better view of the road ahead.
My judgement is still most probably nowhere near as good as those police riders', but I've got a good strategy for working on it and it's steadily improving.
4:24 .... Unfortunately there are idiots on the road. Just this week we had a person riding a bike (I don't cite the "ist" anymore) who recklessly emerged from a left hand side residential estate street on to the primary estate road, turning right from the wrong side of the road and passing our van coming towards us on our NEARSIDE.... as we were in the process of passing a parked car also on our nearside. Despite a pip on the horn they just completley blanked us.... it was like we weren't even there. Truly scary when you think about it. TLDR numpty undertook us in the opposite direction and was happy to be risked being squished between a 3.5 ton van and a parked car.
Love how the red car @5:55 realises they will be stuck there for a while and skedaddles 😂
I’m always reminded to drive more patiently when I watch your vlogs.
From a biker - I agree with all your commentary on this - and nicely understood about the police riders!
Not sure is already mentioned, but there's a consultation out about motorcycles having use of cycle lanes.
3:45 nice job. There's nothing worse than a motorcycle come flying past in the tight gap between oncoming traffic when you're cycling along. I generally don't mind them coming past in that gap if they slow right down, I think it is possible to pass with 1.5m on a motorcycle, even with oncoming. The thing is, it's rarely worth squeezing past on a lightly trafficked road like this, as a better opportunity soon presents itself and you're soon caught back up with the traffic, as in this example.
Another reason to leave a car length is so that can move off without manouvering if the vehicle ahead can't move such as if broken down.
Shortly after passing her test, a car stopped a foot or 2 behind my mum on a steep hill. She was nervous, rolled back, hit the car and never drove again.
With regard to not understanding advanced driving , you are guilty of this yourself. In one of your videos you criticised the police for a manouvre. Advanced drivers call it making good progress.
so Ashley is an advanced driving instructor that makes analysis videos and you think he doesnt understand advanced driving? not sure the video you are thinking of but i am confident Ashley had a good reason to criticise the police manouvre compared to the clip in this video as not every situation is identical but can be similar.
Nobody knows the rules about pedestrian priority at junctions at all, I wouldn’t know unless I watched this channel
Good point. I probably wouldn't, either.
Even if you don't know the rule having a paddy because a driver in from of you has stopped to let some pedestrians _with kids no less_ cross is a sign of an utterly selfish "me first, me second, anything left me too" attitude (as my father would have described it).
Indeed! I don't drive anymore (have no need to) but my sister and brother-in- law do. I was telling them about the new rules and they had no idea... in fact I recommended this channel to them. What was really needed was a public information campaign on TV and social media... I'm assuming nothing like this happened?
@@marcelwiszowaty1751
Nothing like that happened.
In the Highway Code there are separate rules for Junctions and Roundabouts. Section 170 (Road Junctions) states 'You should give way to pedestrians crossing or waiting to cross a road into which or from which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way (see Rule H2)'. Section 187 (Roundabouts) states 'In all cases watch out for and give plenty of room to pedestrians who may be crossing the approach and exit roads.' There is no mention there on giving way to pedestrians who are waiting to cross except to watch out for them as they are more vulnerable.
Yes, life saver, haven't heard that on a video for far too long
00:25, the road is wet, some riders may not chance braking if they feel they can carry on, especially if 2 up.
Keep 'em coming Ash, I've been out of the country for a bit and haven't had my fill of idiots on bikes for the month
Go to the Peripherique in Paris at rush-hour time, the way the bikers zip between the slow moving cars is almost suicidal.
Thanks for analysing the police example. Good to see some balanced analysis. Very much ‘on’ for the first two before the view reduces and then the second two resume when it opens back up! Nice one and very safe if you know what you’re doing.
The style of overtake done by the police was part of my IAM course, though I believe it's discouraged now. I've seen it done well many times. I've also seen it done incredibly inappropriately and watched people only just get away with it because a driver coming the other way slowed enough to avoid a head on collision. For the police, the need to make progress is essential. For IAM, Rospa and other advanced riding groups it's worth understanding but the benefits of using it are very low and likely to get the reaction from the driver in the clip, who will have no idea of how much further the motorcyclist can actually see.
6:48 Part time bus lanes are really awkward, as people who aren't familiar with the road won't always have enough time to read when it's active, and so will stay out of it to avoid being caught by a camera and fined, even when it isn't active.
That motorbike that did the textbook overtake. There are plenty of cars that would have tried an overtake earlier in that situation. Also, there’s obviously “space” for the both of them, but still he doesn’t overtake because it’s safer to wait. Many drivers don’t understand that just because there is enough physical space, doesn’t make it safe.
If you ride a bike, go book a session with a motorcycle copper, edge 44 or some stations do a half day riders awareness. Or if you know a cop biker go out on their day off like i did. I wàs marked as good but took issue with some of my speeds 😂
Police riders are phenomenal! Did a course with them a few years ago and the knowledge they have and skill on two wheels is mind blowing
3:03 - Ashley you said filtering which I've always taken as going between lines of traffic going in the same direction. In my book, this is overtaking as it's into the path of oncoming vehicles. Thoughts?
My understanding is it's still considered filtering *if* (big if) the traffic is stationary/near stationary (i.e. stop and go, with speeds
At near-normal speeds, I've call it overtaking.
Here's quote for a125 Moped for food delivery, L-Plate. £900 excess on a bike worth £1000. It's third party fire and theft, delivery rider.
Only one quote from Compare the Market. Lexham insurance quote £9951.03 a year, in 10 lump sums. Deposit of 1214.03 needed
Annual premium, paid upfront £8093.53
How many are insured for the work they are doing.
They must make a fortune delivering burgers and pizza. I've been in the wrong job all this time. In all seriousness though, if a copper runs my plate and it comes back no insurance, I'm done. So how do all these little top box bellends not get pulled?
@@loftyintentions1985 Well I have had one copper tell me why. He stated they have a policy of not policing it because they would riot.
@@adenwellsmith6908 I knew there'd be some bs excuse by them.
@@loftyintentions1985 I've been pushing without success that the police do something.
I went to the MP. He wrote to them. The letter back said they would contact me. From a Superintendent.
6 weeks on, no contact. So I made the 101 call, could he ring me. For some reason that provoked a reaction. A PC reached out. A PC? What are they going to do? They have no authority to do anything.
So I said, look its progressed to far. I want a face to face with the Superintendent or I will make the complaint about rudeness. I'll win that. I know how the system works and if he's sensible he will have looked at my track record. His staff should tell him too. I won 8 last year, 1 this year. [Police parking on double reds. A memo to all police drivers will be sent out in the Met]. I don't mess around.
Here's my McDonalds suggestion
An operation at McDonalds.
1. Watch the illegal motorbikes arrive
2. Seize
3. ID is easy, its on their Deliveroo apps
4. They cancel their jobs
5. Lots of jobs at McDonalds. It's like flies to pile of the proverbial
6. The criminals come to you.
7. Eventually they will post on Wayz that the police are there.
8. So you move on to Nandos and repeat.
So 3-4 officers, 2 hours, and a flat bed to take the bikes away. That's 10 hours of work, I would estimate 30 motorbikes removed.
You could easily do 100 in a day. Within a month the problem is solved. Put them in a container, ship to Africa for a profit. Job done.
Not sure I mentioned this before but I was in a cycle lane around St Pauls heading to work. You can pick up a canny bit of speed when its clear and a scooter rider decided to turn around and drive up the wromg way towards me on the cycle lane. Crazy manouver anytime but especially in the mid morning rush. I am not sure how we made sure not to hit each other but i am pretty sure he went up the curb.
I was so waiting for that old lady to appear! 😂Brilliant, Ahley!
unfortunatley passes like at 4:30 are so common in London car drivers don't even react XD
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Don't forget the gloves Ashley, I always say one of the first things to touch the ground in a bike crash is your gloves! Its natural to put your hand out when you go down, ok I didnt crash that much at supermoto racing but when I did the palms of my gloves always got warm and scuffed. Then had a couple of marks on my lower legs and arms.
See so many scooter riders with half decent jackets etc but no gloves, just total madness.
Seeing a few comments on the roundabout car-stopping-for-peds incident.
Didn't Ashley try (and fail) to get clarity on whether people should even be doing it on roundabout exits?
I know it's been covered before, but I'd love to hear from @AshleyNeal again on this one, as I feel it's a bad safety issue and is evidently proving to cause incidents.
That motorcyclist was very possibly too close and acting frustrated because he felt (and was) very vulnerable being made to stop on a roundabout.
The whole new highway code relating to pedestrians crossing is just so ridiculous. The amount of interpretation and lack of clarity is literally dangerous.
"At a junction you should give way to pedestrians crossing or waiting to cross a road into which or from which you are turning"
Issues:
"a junction"? Does a roundabout count as 'a junction'? Multiple junctions? Should I stop before I get on if I see a pedestrian on my exit? Or should I get onto the roundabout _then_ stop at the exit? Isn't it dangerous to stop on roundabouts?
"Should"? So I don't have to? So when should I? Is it more dangerous to expect a pedestrian to keep themselves safe and not cross or to unexpectedly stop on a roundabout when other roundabout users can't see why I'm doing it?
"waiting to cross". Huh? How do I know? Am I to read minds? Become an expert in body language? Always stop if anyone is near a road edge at any junction just in case I'm not reading their body language correctly?
Given other rules on not signalling intent because it causes misunderstanding, how are we suddenly expected to interpret non-signalled intent?!
6:28 some people are absolutely clueless, sometimes I get some funny looks from pedestrians who I give way to when they’re crossing the road and I’m turning into a side road..
Ref - Police Motorcycles clip.
Key phrase used there.
The relevant skill; regardless of the vehicle being used for overtake/other manoeuvre; determines how "safe" it may - or may not - be to expedite.
A complete Novice does not have sufficient experience in comparison to anyone with 10+ years of road use.
Hope that makes sense.
It's a great showcase for the skills that motorcycling *should* teach, which is great to see given some air time on this "main" channel.
These riders are processing information and making decisions on a level that the driver of the car (and sadly the vast majority of drivers in general) cannot even comprehend after being given a textbook example of how to manage road position and vision.
This clip is a condemnation on the entitled and inexperienced woman driving who can only think to complain, rather than appreciating and learning from expert road users.
@@jimmybloggs3029 💯% 👍
Hi ash best wishes on your new motorcycle purchase , thx for all your great content and hard work bringing them to us armchair jockeys!
The police riders were awesome! Riding skills we can all aspire to. Most of the others were nucking futs
A couple of things. Look at all the space being denied motorists, the ones who pay enormous tax on every aspect of their usage of the roads, to make space for cyclists. And usually, you see those spaces empty. Certainly compared the motor traffic. There used to be more space where motor cyclists could filter more easily and safely but now the motor traffic is packed in. Just recently a 4 mile stretch of two lane (per direction) roadway leading to a country town off the freeway was converted to one lane per direction to allow a cycle lane both ways. It's nauseating that that expense and massive inconvenience to thousands of motorists for pleasure of a few cyclists per day, if that, is implemented without consideration of those involved. I can't pass any more the plodders because there is only one lane. I could and would on a motorbike.
All thanks to, hmm I don't really know where this cow towing to cyclists has come from but it is pervasive.
And it does seem to be the explosion of delivery scooters that has flooded the roads with 'motor' cycles behaving almost as badly as actual cyclists.
I was stuck in traffic the other day in the city and one of those scooters popped into the cycle lane and did a left turn, oops, there happened to be a police car also stuck in the traffic and they did decide to pull them over. It must have been a big surprise because they are doing it constantly and never, except then, get caught.
I have been riding since 2003, My tip for you is to stay dry and warm as much as possible. If you do end up in the rain and cold make sure you got gear that will keep you warm and dry.
Dealing with being cold, or wet can be done but not both. Both is a nightmare and all you can think about is how cold and wet you are. Enjoy the bike and welcome to the club! :)
It's not the poor weather it is the poor choice of clothing. I'm an all weather rider and have been since 1997. Nice dry weather - leathers. Cold and maybe wet weather I have full winter textiles. Always 'warm' enough but never wet.
When I first started I got soaked once or twice and then one winter I got home and the front of me was covered in a layer of ice. After that I just bought the proper gear and have done ever since.
You may be giving the cops more credit than they're due.
A close relative is a motorbike cop and crashes lots. Says he just likes the job to go fast and get away with it
I am alwasy puzzled how close ( difficult to judge that distance really in my mirrors) cars stop behind my articulated truck when srooped uphill. 16 or 44 tonnes mught not alwasy move foreards as intended but backwards by gravity😅
Lots of positive messages here about how to use the road safely. As ever there are fools on two and four wheels whose safety we must do our best to preserve even if they don't give it a thought.
Rider at 2.47 using the cycle lane is wearing shorts and tee shirt. So he’s marked down and a Cupid stunt before he even puts a wheel wrong.
The number of people who dont understand offsiding and other useful planning tools is scary.
I recommend people join a local RoSPA or IAM group to gain these and other skills. it's not just for those on 2 wheels.
Many people passed a test decades ago, pick up bad habits, and think they are great drivers/ riders. Ask yourself when was the last time your driving/ riding was properly reviewed.
Can you explain the offside rule?
Yes, I agree.
Quite a few Advanced You Tube channels spend time explaining 'offsiding' and how it's often viewed as 'reckless' by the general public who don't understand the theory behind it.
I seem to remember from the thirty-something years ago I did my advanced driving stuff that it was a RoSPA thing and not an IAM thing.
@@paulsengupta971Hi dual IAM/RoSPA driver here, and both teach offsiding. So the concept is this - as long as the lane dividing lines are not solid, you CAN legally cross them as necessary. In the UK we drive on the left (just reverse the sides as appropriate) and you generally stay inside your lane width so that traffic can flow past safely (in either direction).
However, as long as it is SLAP (Safe, Legal, Advantageous and Practical) it can be very useful to move the car around to get a better view or increase safety. So, generally we would position much more to the left on a right-hand bend, and much more to the right on a left-hand bend.
This gives better visibility and therefore longer response time. If there has been a lot of rain or road surface damage then staying out to the right can be very useful to avoid hazards. The Police not only could see way further than the car, they were also far out from a collision risk. As Ash notes, they also resumed normal road position when it was going to cause a problem for other road users. It was L and A, but not S or P, so they did the right thing.
The downside is that it can be very confusing or upsetting to drivers unfamiliar with it - they may well assume you are just sloppy with your steering rather than making deliberate choices. As such, I'd not use it much in towns as it tends to cause more problems than it solves. On single-lane faster roads with bends, it's very useful.
I'd advise you to get some training from someone familiar with the technique (even if it's just a friend sitting your passenger seat) to talk you through when and how much to do it, don't just start pulling out into the oncoming lanes to have a practice. Hope that helps.
0:22 - it wasn't the amber light jump (stopping a big scooter two up in the wet in a hurry? I'd avoid it too) it was the contravention of the 'Keep Left' that was the issue.
3:10 utterly objectionable riding - the motorcyclist makes people get out of their way.
4:10 Zig-zag lines do not mean you can't overtake only if they are 'giving way to people'. Although Rule 163 is a bit odd 'You MUST NOT overtake the nearest vehicle to a pedestrian crossing, especially when it has stopped to let pedestrians cross'. The last part of the sentence seems unnecessary given the first especially when Rule 191 states 'You MUST NOT overtake the moving vehicle nearest the crossing or the vehicle nearest the crossing which has stopped to give way to pedestrians'. 🤔 Seems very clear to me - you can overtake anything other than the vehicle closest to the crossing at any time. The rider was totally in the wrong.
5:20 Excellent use of vision to overtake (or not) by all the riders.
Great video, as always.
It’s good to show that’s it’s not All car drivers that are at fault. As a car driver I not only have to suffer bad car drivers but bad motorcyclist too. 😢
Cranes are 1. Very very heavy( 60- 90 tonnes approx, depends on model , the more axles and bigger , the heavier😅) 2 mostly left hand drive as made in Europe, and have poor view to right side of vehicle 3. Are top heavy and cannkt swerve easily . So please refrain from cutting into the front and give them enough room to manoeuvre. Any silly overtaking and braking , and your death will be on cameras.
But I can vroom vroom and overtake the slow heavy crane in seconds! 😢
not to mention they have massive front overhang and massive tail swings...
I’m a recovery driver and went to recover a car that had a battle with a crane, think it was around 80tn or something around there. The accident was at 20mph and the boot, and two rear seats in the right hand side were pancaked into the remaining rear passage seat. LUCKILY no one was in the back but there was a baby seat back there, couldn’t even imagine if that seat was occupied. I was furious at the woman and the fact I’m a parent just made me even angrier in a weird way
A few weeks back i had someone filter pastvon the motorway at over 80 I was at 70 all they had to do was wait let me and the car in front pass the vehicle on the left then pull back to rhe lef then pass . All it takes is for me to check the right mirror and he is in the left mirror then when i check the right he is in the lleft mirror then when i check the left he is moved into the blindspot area. Im in a van so generally i try to keep an eye on where the danger is and am usually pretty good at knowing whats coming up but thats not to say i won't miss something
I'm not sure it's called filtering at that speed.
@PedroConejo1939 maybe a death wish or extremely trusting
I myself usually leave a bikelength between myself and waiting cars when at a junction, however, this has, on occasion caused drivers behind to get a bit naffed off with little old me for trying to keep a safe distance in case the car in front rolls backwards lol
That first one.. Two up on a motorbike in the wet. I doubt they could stop for that red due to their excess speed.
6:20, I had exactly the same situation at a roundabout. The motorcyclist did the same after too, overtook and shot off.
Uninsured and generally careless moped and mini cab drivers is why I gave up riding motorcycles when I moved to London 25 years ago. Things had only gotten worse when I left 5 years ago.
As a lifelong biker I find it physically impossible to NOT do a lifesaver when needed, it's automatic, stay safe 😊😊😊
I’ve lost 3 mates on motorcycles, one was a single vehicle fatality two was other people’s mistake, I stopped riding in 2005 I wouldn’t take a new motorcycle for free.
I also stopped riding when my children were born - not worth it
I've lost half a dozen of my biker friends in the last 20 years, but only one of them was on a bike, and he was racing on the Isle of Man, the others were all illness. I was older than all of them, and I've got no intention of giving it up after 54 years
The impatience isn’t due to queues ! It’s due to car drivers taking up the wrong position on the road, we drive on the left in this country meaning your vehicle should be left of centre of the left lane, not 4 ft out from the curb, 6 inches or less from the centre line. This is not only frustrating for motorcyclists but also emergency vehicle drivers.
I didn't know that what the zig zags meant! Thanks Ash ☺
It's not illegal to use a cycle lane, but only if it is to overtake stationary traffic. In theory, if it starts moving, then you might have committed an offence, but not when it is stationary. At least, that is what the law says. What some judge might say, DJs make up laws as they go along.
0:42 - I bet the reason he got so close was because he didn't want to stop short of the box junction to let the traffic in.
I'm an IAM, Bike Safe and DVSA motorcycle instructor and this video encapsulates many of the things that I try to educate my students about regardless of whether they are getting on a bike for the first time or have been riding for years.
I'm only down the road in Manchester so feel free to let me know if you ever fancy a ride out Ash.
I really don't understand why anyone can perform paid work on L plates
Thanks to bike riders for helping the elderly to see better.
Went out for a ride with the police a few years ago and the copper I was with said he was known for having grass in his right boot from riding along lanes.
To this day I try and see as far down the road as I can.
At around 6:48 I'm waiting to see how many folks might comment "But the cammer and the car in front were using the bus lane". Of course we don't know the day of week or time of day but as long as it was outside of 7-10am and 4-7pm Mon-Fri, all perfectly legal. And if outside the bus lane hours, surely the Singh Steel van should have also used the bus lane from where it starts, seeing that it wanted the left lane further up. Being already established in the left lane early would have removed the challenge of trying to slot into it later, amongst other vehicles that were already there. As a general observation, so many drivers don't use bus lanes during the hours that it's permitted as per signs. And if you yourself use a bus lane during permitted hours, you get dirty looks! No doubt by drivers who themselves break all sorts of rules.
Bugs me when people don't use these lanes outside of the posted times - sad really
Also completely irrelevant for the motorcycle cammer, as the sign for the bus lane includes motorcycles. One of my pet peeves is when motorcycles decide to filter on the outside when there's a clearly available bus lane that permits them to use ot...
I'd always advise anyone, getting back on a bike after a layoff of over 5 years to get some training. Even an observed ride with the police (usually free) is better than nothing
6:04 The way I think of it is that the pedestrians are continuing round the roundabout whereas drivers and riders have to cross their path to leave, so they should give way. But notice how many people don’t!
Mopeds in cycle lanes is a big issue where i live. As a frequent cyclist it's really frustrating, something designed to give us a little more safety is actually more of a hazard. From the pedestrians who step out without looking staring at their phones and the mopeds / cars who straddle the cycle lanes.
Where I live, they made a dedicated shared cycle/pedestrian path alongside the highway... It's been basic unusable since it was completed. Between the cars parked on it, the people who don't look before driving across it to enter a driveway, and the very poorly constructed interactions with the roads it crosses, it's a combination of very slow and rather dangerous to use.
I just use the highway instead. It feels safer.
Well said on those police motorbikes. Yes, overtaking on a double somewhat-obstructed bend is dangerous. And that's exactly why they train on doing it..
Most people would see the police doing the dangerous move, but they don't think "wow it's a good thing they're practicing it now to make it less dangerous when they need to do it on an emergency call at even higher speeds".
"Just because someone's doing something you don't understand, doesn't mean it's wrong." More people need this lesson.
Blue Light training is basically the same as a normal learner driver. They're inexperienced at the blue light driving, they will make mistakes, and they will be dangerous sometimes. But, they both have to learn somehow, the knowledge doesn't just seep in to their brain.
some people just want to be critical of police.
@@kenbrown2808
Only "some"?
That's optimistic. Although I'd admit the job doesn't always do itself favours in that regard.
I can hear one PS driving instructor I used to know muttering under his breath how hard it is to get knowledge to seep into a PC's brain. Probably using non-PC language all the time. 🤣
@Rapscallion2009 in my normal usage, some is an undefined quantity between none and all. The percentage fluctuates with the political winds. It's another form of prejudice, and like nearly all prejudice, it's earned by some and undeserved by some.
@ianmason. i think that's standard in all forms of instruction, and particularly in military and public safety.
How do you become a member? I can’t find any button for it.
And the 2nd clip conclusively proves the effectiveness of the rev bomb as a warning device!
Yes, totally pointless. I upgraded to a pair of high/low horns on my bike, very loud and sounds like a truck. That gets drivers' attention.
These rev bombing riders are just thick. It intimidates or alerts no one. All they are doing is stressing an unloaded engine.
@@cammy9r Thick is right (although some better words come to mind)and to prove your point they’re taking away the ability to have full control over the bike in what is often a dangerous situation.
A question as I'm unsure. Can cyclists go in EITHER direction in a cycle lane that is part of the road. I get a lot of this on a one way street with cyclists going the wrong way in a cycle lane.
Good Points but most of these so called motorcyclist illegal manoeuvres were indeed mopeds/scooters riders on L plates
At around 3:48, excellent example of a two wheeler looking after the safety of a more vulnerable two wheeler. Excellent wide overtake by the motorcyclist when passing the cyclist. Did I also catch a glimpse of an "acknowledgement" wave? And yes I know, that would mean temporarily taking a hand off the handlebars.
It's neither unsafe or illegal to take one hand off the handlebars. You'd think twice about doing it over a pot holed section of road, but as bikes are inherently stable, riding with one hand for a few moments doesn't compromise safety. Riders will usually wave or signal with the left hand, leaving the right hand on the bars to operate the throttle and front brake if the need arises.
@@sproutandkidneysoup2296 The only reason I mentioned that part is that if I didn't, I felt others might reply along the lines of "You gave the rider credit for giving an acknowledgement wave but you do realise that this meant riding one handed" or similar. I know in the past, Ashley has been criticized by others (& not by me) for taking one hand off the wheel to "Thank" another driver and even for taking his hands off the wheel whilst in stationary traffic.
@@sproutandkidneysoup2296 bikes are not inherently stable, they are dynamically stable. anybody who doesn't know the difference has never accidentally had their kickstand on a soft spot in the ground.
@@kenbrown2808 Bloody pedants! 🤣 "Inherently stable when in motion in a straight line". Better?
@ianmason. dynamically stable is the better term. That infers that the stability is a product of being in motion.
6.20 definitely should not stop and block a junction !
At around 3:18 I would have moved left even more than our cammer did, given there was an empty bus stop pull in very conveniently there.
But then the motorcyclist shouldn’t have been doing it, it is bullying behaviour to force others out the way when he doesn’t have right of way