Doctors Debunk 11 Myths About Posture And Back Pain | Debunked
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- Physical therapist Dr. Tom Walters and chiropractor Dr. David Song debunk 11 myths about posture and back pain. They talk about how slouching isn't bad for you, massages don't remove knots, and how perfect posture doesn't exist. They also explain why cracking your back isn't always necessary.
Dr. Tom Walters runs the Rehab Science clinic in Santa Barbara, California. Learn more about him and him practice here: rehabscience.com/
Dr. David Song is the owner of the Rehab Hero clinic in Markham, Ontario. Learn more about him and his practice here: www.rehabhero.ca/
00:00 Intro
00:49 Good posture means standing or sitting up straight.
1:37 Stretching will give you a good posture.
2:33 A stiff mattress is better for your back.
3:06 Massages will remove the knots in your back.
3:37 Body braces will fix your posture.
4:44 MRIs and x-rays can always diagnose your back problem.
5:52 Sitting at a desk all day will give you bad posture.
6:53 If you get your back cracked, you'll always need it cracked.
7:54 Resting is the best remedy for back pain.
8:44 Your body needs to be symmetrical.
9:25 If you feel pain, it always means something is damaged.
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Bad posture is static posture. The trick is to move often and through a complete range of motion.
The best posture is your next posture!!!
Tool are great - Joe Rogan
But then what causes people to get a curved back/posture over time? I have seen many old people with curved backs and it feels like there is a relation with your daily posture, more precise when you are in front of your computer, so you are sit but looking at a monitor at a low level so if you sit straight your head would end up above the middle/center of the screen so you curve yourself for your eyes to end up at the center of the screen, is that bad?
@@1000tb level your chair
@@zainabtanweer2910
It's not that simple. Such a simpleton advice
I'd really love to hear more medical professionals talk about the psychological link to pain, particularly in relation to those suffering from depression etc. It's a major cause of lower back and other musculoskeletal pain but it's rarely talked about.
Doctors do way too often!! they gaslight women and give them antidepressants instead of figuring out their pains cause. Women die from being turned away at the ER way more than men because women’s chest pains are dismissed as anxiety.
@@TheRealHatsune yes I read an article about it, women's pain often ignored by doctors for being 'woman'. Too bad i forget where I read it and the title to the article. I wish to reread it.
I don't go to the doctor about it anymore, but I have some sort of chronical leg pains due to stress. But it's more like vascular than musculoskeletal pain, but depression or the wearness from constant pain put you in the state when your muscules are degrade a lot. When you have 0 motivation to do anything.
I won't say that it's doesn't connected with your case. I guess it's maybe a reason for some of that, espesialy when you didn't want to do anything at all and just lie in the bed all day long. In situation like that people need help. Not only with physical rehab, but with the mental too. Because muscle atrophy is a major pain in the ass. It could kill your stamina like up to 95%. And your strenght easily halved in short period of time, so it's huge problem to crawl out of this thing and return to normal life...
Move your body. If depression is causing musculoskeletal pain, it's because the depression is keeping you from moving. I'm very active, but once a week or so I might lay in bed late. Then my back starts hurting. It's because of inactivity most of the time, not because you are injured.
I didn't know there was a connection between back pain and depression. It makes sense if it's due to inactivity like some suggest, but while I do have depression, my back pain started when I was 15 and playing sports. And now my back hurts just from walking, standing, or sitting for a while as a 23 year old. Can't even do my part-time without pain killers. Curious what my issue could be.
How about debunking chiropractic?
"Chiropractic is a pseudoscientific alternative medicine that is concerned with the diagnosis and treatment of mechanical disorders of the musculoskeletal system, especially the spine."
I was told by physiotherapist not to go see chiropractors.
Second that.
Came here to say this!
Yes.. these guys seem to be in polar opposite disciplines.
@@SacredOwl Thank you. But this is not my personal opinion, it is that of science, of which you should know more about. I'm glad your wif feels better, but that is not proof, it is simply correlation.
But I've seen a hunchback guy now standing upright thanks to a chiropractor??? Uploaded here on CZcams just forgot his channel.. But that is an intensive sessions..
But is it true that heavy breasts put more pressure on your shoulders and back? Many women suffer from having heavy breasts in relation to the rest of their bodyweight. It's so real for many women.
Should be since it's more about the gravity and how weights fall. The upper back and shoulders supports the breasts and chest area so automatically, if there's a heavier load to support, it'll be a bigger strain on the supporters. There's also the thing with bras too, some people get ill fitted bras and that may worsen the strain,
Anecdotally, I have pretty large breasts and everytime I went through any growth with them my lower back hurt more than before. My mom actually had breast cancer and had to get a large portion of her breasts removed, and a lot of her back pain went away (she's okay now, been in remission for years)
Of course it's true. Weight is weight, doesn't matter where it comes from. The solution is building muscle to support it better. If your core is weak, your back will suffer, period.
I think it depends on person to person, a few of my friends & I have large breast & we don't have back issues (we are in our 20s). The only time I can say I really have any pain is in the shoulders due to most bras being thin strapped. I order my bras from the UK because I'm no longer in the U.S. range, & a lot of the UK bras have wider straps so no more shoulder pain.
Yes. I lost 4 cup sizes thanks to a medication (treatment for estrogen dominance) and now my fibromyalgia and posture have improved sooo much. I used to have extreme pain in my clavicle, armpits, specific areas in my neck, and that pain is gone. Everywhere else still hurts, but I'm not hunched over all the time and I can breathe better.
And I had perfectly fitted bras.
Now I can go even without a bra without crying.
Y'all lost me when you bring a chiropractor onto this channel.
They are not science based and they are not in the industry to fix your back. They want you to keep on making appointments and giving them money. My sister has terrible crippling lower back pain since she was a kid. She had to make monthly visits to a chiropractor to elevate the pain. When she started studying aboard in Germany, she couldn't find a chiropractor, so she had to go the hospital instead. They gave her a steroid shot on her back. Pain never came back and that was over 20 years ago. Lifetip: never go to a chiropractor.
Exactly. Thank you for saying this. Chiropractic is quackery at its best.
Yep. Total pseudo science. There are no controlled scientific studies that support chiropractic and any of the benefits of relief were found to be no different than simply getting a massage. I stopped watching this video as soon as he mentioned he was a chiropractor.
Thank you so much for saying this. Immediately was put off by this charlatan. It's so egregious this unethical practice is encouraged by experts
Way too many people are unaware of the fact that chiropractic is not based in science meaning that there is little to no evidence that it actually treats the issues that it claims to treat
Absolutely, stopped this one at 37 seconds in haha. I am shocked, I thought this channel was all about science based medicine, and all of these Myths videos are supposed to be fighting bullshit like chiropractors.
I love that they talked about the psychological link between MRI and back pain. I went to a physical therapist after my back pain didn't improve for years. I told her about the MRI, and she said that - while my back pain is definitely real - a probably not insignificant part of it was the MRI telling me I had a slipped disc. She assured me that that was probably healed by now (nearly a year after the MRI) and to focus on how I can manage it and not that specific part of my back. My back's been much better since, and after several visits, the back pain seems to be connected to underworked muscles in my legs (mostly hamstrings) and hips.
This was very helpful. I often worry or avoid getting more scans done because once they say one area is damaged, you feel a sense of doom like it won’t ever get better since the scan shows something.
Would be nice to get an orthopedic surgeon/doctor's opinion on these.. nothing against chiropractors or PTs and such.
I mean, SOMETHING against chiropractors is okay.
@@godmagnus Very true 98% of the time, this guy seems to be on the up and up though. The PT is a doctor too. Not sure if their is an MD level for them, but he's got a PHd either way.
That chiropractor shouldn't be there
@@hollenfeuer1 doctor is a nonprotected word, MD is. That is why the Doctor of Physical Therapy said that they are NOT MDs
@@johngill5175 Didn't think so, thanks for clearing that up. Still a lot of schooling.
The fact that one of them is a chiropractor is already a red flag
I had horrible, chronic back pain for about a year. There were times it was unbearable and I could barely move around. I went to the doctor, he did x-rays, saw nothing wrong besides the scoliosis I've lived with since 6th grade, and recommended physical therapy. I did physical therapy twice a week with a PT over the entire holiday season and did my homework exercises too. When I went back, still with continued pain, he just told me "do the therapy for another month, then come back" and if I still had pain after that, they'd do a MRI. Each session cost a couple hundred dollars and I did not experience any improvement, even after giving it a sincere effort. I quit and haven't seen that doctor again. Since then, I've started occasional yoga and mindfulness journaling in an attempt to reduce my stress levels. I still have back pain, but it's better than it's been in years and I rarely have those "I can't move" days. Very little in my life has changed except for my efforts to improve my mental and emotional health, so I feel strongly that it has had an impact on the way my back feels as well. Far more than physical therapy did, anyway. I'm not saying that physical therapy isn't helpful, but for me, I really think my pain is influenced by my stress and mental health and addressing that has been far more beneficial.
I’ve found yoga alone has done wonders for my back pain. Idk if it’s just the stretching or what, but for me it’s the only thing that’s helped.
I have had some of my chronic pain decrease from careful weightlifting, so the yoga point definitely makes sense. I think being stronger makes my body less exhausted doing daily tasks like holding “good” posture
Why didn't they get an orthopedist? Chiro is witchcraft. I almost did a spittake when he said doctor.
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Yeah title of the video was misleading IMO as it implies (medical) doctors
It depends on the chiropractor. Some are good, others are quacks.
@@karlrovey Chiropractic itself is quackery. It isn't scientific, at all, not even a little bit. You could be the world's most well meaning chiropractor and you will be a well meaning quack 🦆🦆🦆
Some of the things they said made perfect sense. I didn't mind it at the end
wow didnt know my emotions were tied to my posture in so many ways
Waiting for a book that sounds like it goes with that. "Power pose your way to success: Unleash your hidden alpha."
All your emotions and all your body language😮
Chiropractic is Psuedoscience and basic quackery. This channel just lost all of it's credibility.
Honestly, it’s sad that a chiropractor is placed along side a physical therapist. This is basically like bringing in an esthetician along side a dermatologist to confirm facts. .-.
How did I miss that point in the video?? Would you mind giving me a time stamp?
Only Science Insider can provide medical advice from Chiropractors 🤦🏻♂️
Can you make a video about truths and myths of people with flat feet? Thanks.
Yes with a Orthopedician Doctor!
flat feet ppl r flexible, guess
Donkeys yesrs ago I came across the ides that many fast tunners were pigeon toed and that was more efficient than a straight foot. Dont know if its true.
@@chan_for not accurate, in my case. I have very flat feet 😂
That’d be so interesting!
A lot of Vague explanations.... I didn't quite like the vague debunking of the myths
I guess the topic is pretty difficult and broad, and to give a short right answer kinda problematically
@@vechereet_uzhe Its because they are Doctors or General Practitioners so they only know general things. If you want research related to pain, posture and the humand body specifically and who know thier shit off by heart because its thier speciality refer to a physio, pain Dr/sciencist or an Exercise physiologist.
vague... and borderline wrong sometimes... telling people to get shoes that feel comfortable (to name one)... ummmm...
im studying massage therapy and it was explained to me that we do get "knots" in our muscles called trigger points. this goes back to how muscles function on a molecular level. our muscles can get chronically shorteded from their ideal elastic position causing their opposing muscles to lengthen and weaken. sometimes due to this lengthening or shortening, or if the muscle was injured, these tiny strands of muscles do get twisted over one another and form a trigger point. i can find these trigger points in a muscle, they usually refer somewhere else either proximal or distal to the trigger point, and i can recreate their pain and decrease the adhesion causing say a headache. for example a trigger point in the scm often referres into a ? pattern around the ear. i can find that trigger point and remove it, decreasing the referral pattern which decreases pain. so its not entirely accurate when you say humans dont get muscle knots.
I think people assume knots mean it's all tangled up like a necklace would be. It would be more accurate to describe them as being spasmed or shortened. The "lump" felt is the muscle that has become stuck into a contracted position, rather than it being tied up or tangled
as a physical therapy intern (graduating in a few months), i agree with this, though i do have to correct you when you say that it’s the muscle that gets tangled. it isn’t. it’s usually the myofasia, which is a covering of the muscle.
other than that, i do get your point. they couldve explained it better by correcting misconceptions on trigger points rather than just saying people never get knots. i just recently treated a patient with myofascial pain syndrome and trigger points or “knots” are a main finding with this condition. stretching, myofascial release, deep tissue massages and tools (such as a guasha or myofascial releaser) or dry needling techniques help with this.
@@lettiemcgreevy1238 the lump is usually a part of the myofascia that gets bunched up.
Hey this is Dr. David Song (from the video!). To clarify on this issue, knots in the respect that the muscle is 'tangled' up is a misconception. While trigger points (tender spots that refer pain) may exist, to call them a 'knot' is a misnomer. Personally, I like to educate my patients that the common word 'knot' is just slang for 'tight muscle' and that layers of tissues aren't actually entangled on each other. Hope that helps!
i like how you use question mark in such a new way for me.
“X-rays are overused” says the chiropractor in a profession that bases itself on peddling unnecessary X-rays lol
Title says doctors but the one guy is a chiropractor... Chiropractors are not doctors lmao
Click bait.
The physical therapist would likely have good info. And yh, I'm not watching it bcos of your comment😀
Yeah, they kinda are, and specialst in healing or medicine have a doctors degree, so they hold the title of doctor
@@thelastmastergamer2846 it's a literal pseudoscience. I don't care if you have a doctorate. I'm not gonna take health advice from someone who has a PhD in astrophysics. They're technically a doctor too.
@@akalion213 Dude, a physical therapist still helps and heals you, not really pseudoscience
@@thelastmastergamer2846 a chiropractor is not a physical therapist, they're a chiropractor
"if you feel pain it's because something is damaged". Yeah, I don't think so. Once a month for about a day I end up with minor low back pain as a part of my menstrual cycle. Muscle soreness after a workout is another example I can think of
Um, I feel pain after a workout lol. I don't think they meant in every instance.
I mean in fairness soreness from a workout is because the muscle is damaged, just in a controlled way that encourages further muscle growth aha.
@@Mastealth it's actually from the build up of lactic acid and not muscle damage. That's why stretching after reduces soreness
Yeah this video sucks. Inflammation can cause pain, and the pain subsides with the inflammation. No damage done. Though the inflammatory response can cause tissue damage if it's chronic (e.g. rheumatoid arthritis).
@@chestersnap DOMS is from damage to muscle fibers and essentially any source is going to say the same thing. You're talking out your ass.
their solutions be: stay dynamic
kinda stupid really. it's like saying be whatever you can be and it'll turn out best. there are good ways and there are bad ways of doing things. and definitely there are bad postures, like forward head or slouching posture, strengthening of weak muscles and stretching of tightened overactive muscles definitely help, if not for everyone but surely for most people.
@@sandwitht6264 yes. It's important to strengthen muscles. That should be the takeaway, not simply staying dynamic. You don't have to lift weights 5 days a week to benefit from training. Pain that is seemingly not caused by anything is often literally caused by not doing anything. When you train to build muscle, you want to work muscles in a full range of motion. But in addition to that, you want to train opposing muscles together, at least a little bit. If you're doing push ups and crunches, it's not a bad idea to do some facepulls and back extensions to remind your central nervous system about the other half of your range of motion. If you're not going to have a strict strength training routine, the least you can do is use a band or bodyweight workouts to build a mind muscle connection. You won't truly realize how helpful it is to have a good contractual connection with every muscle in your core until you do. Hip, glute and scapula muscles are also important. You can get away with weak arms or chest and the consequences aren't nearly as bad.
My mom always tells me to sit upstraight and that is so f*cking stupid and annoying. Like who the hell can keep their back upstraight all the time without getting tired. Gotta show her this badass shit
G luck homie
I don't know how old you are. I felt the same way when I was told by adults to sit up straight when I was younger. At 37, I really wished I sat with my back straight more when I was younger (also do more pull up). Parents sometime don't communicate well why they tell us to do things. Mostly it's about the regret they had and something they should have done when they were kids that was too late to fix later in life. They just didn't know how to tell us that. Of course it's impossible to sit straight up and defy gravity all the time even when we were kids. But there was a reason. Anyway, my default position when sitting right now is back curved, and let me tell ya, adult sitting with back curved, among other things, looks really freaking stupid. Since you don't know what I look like just imagine William Hung sitting at a desk, but hunch over unless I am aware enough to remind myself.
@@panasit aww thank you for your story and advice! It means a lot to me! I know right parents especially Asian parents never try to listen, to understand their kids and they just try to force their kids to do anything that they consider as right. I will be reminding myself to keep a good posture but ofcourse not all the time 😅😅
@@Sciencenerd2704 I feel the same as Panasit. I wish I had listened to my mother when she told me to sit up straight. Because the hunching just gets so much worse in your 30s-40s.
I trained myself to sit up straight and now it is uncomfortable to slouch. I always maintain excellent sitting posture which is very important. Slouching isn't good for you.
Doesn't Science Insider find it a little embarrassing to feature a chiropractor as an expert?
I was thinking that too.
Might as well have a palm reader and phrenologist while they're at it.
Thank you for commenting this
The blood of jeebus cured *me* of everything. I know, not on the same level lol, but it's what comes to mind.
this.
*makes myth debunking video about backs*
*uses a chiropractor*
Me: ????????????????????????????
"Spinal manipulations can improve the transfer of magical universal energy through your spine, curing all disease."
Hmm, let's hear from the Chiro?
@@SkipperTheEyeChild Lol
@@SkipperTheEyeChild I mean, he didn't seem wooish. Non magical chiropractors are basically PT's anyway. They don't bother me that much if they don't start talking like a duck.
@@hollenfeuer1 Totally agree. I was in a car accident a couple of years ago and thankfully was not seriously injured, but I was suffering from some back pain as a result. Doctors all said it was a normal reaction to the trauma of the accident. I started going to a chiropractor for rehab shortly after. Initially it was a couple of times per week, but the appointments became less frequent the more I recovered. Today I still go to get adjusted, but only about once per month for preventative measures.
All that said, if my chiropractor ever said anything along the lines of being able to magically cure things or the like I couldn't in my right mind keep going. Taking care of the spine is one thing. Claiming to cure cancer by doing so is another and unacceptable.
@@hollenfeuer1 "Non magical chiropractors"
I can't imagine what that would even look like. I know some try to distance themselves from Palmer's crazier ideas, but their training itself isn't science-based, unlike a physio. When chiros start talking about more modern sciency-sounding stuff it's typically because some vendor sold them some new fangled equipment, not because their schooling was worth a damn.
Such a missed opportunity to debunk myths. But, it’s never too late to replace chiropractor with MD or another physiotherapist.
Another physiotherapist? The other guy calls himself a "physical therapist", that's not a Physio. Anyone self-aggrandising themselves just ranks as a quack.
@@DiscoFang ummm English isn’t my native language but afaik physiotherapy and physical therapy is the same thing.
@@simulacrum.ad.nauseam Well, not really. Physiotherapy is a particular and specific study, qualification and occupation but “physical therapy” is just a general umbrella term that describes any number of things. A massuese could call themselves a physical therapist.
@@DiscoFang yeah I think you’re wrong. You can always check again your sources.
@@simulacrum.ad.nauseam My sources aregrowing up with, studying with and working with the English language, having a partner who is a Medical Doctor and ex who was a Physiotherapist. I’m sorry you think you know the language better.
*Guys do pushing and pulling exercises and make sure that all of your muscles are exercised equally. Change your exercises often so that you don't over work same set of muscles.*
neither are real doctors! raise your game science insider!
maybe the chiropractor, yes. but if you don't trust a good PT you are definitely misguided.
Chiropractors are doctors in the same way phrenologists are doctors
@@bowlsallbroken "Of course you'd say that. You have the brain pan of a stage couch tilter" lol.
90 seconds in and years of anxiety about my posture has been released. honestly thank you lol
Doctors: *talking about cracking back to infinity and beyond*
Me: h e l l y e a h *cracks my back*
A full spine and pelvic MRI DID help in my situation. It helped show that the issue was not spinal damage, but endometriosis. I went to my gyno with the pain first, but he told me it was normal for women to be in pain and refused to evaluate me for endometriosis because I don’t have heavy periods (a sign of adenomyosis, not endo). Because of his failure to stay current in his field, I spent a year bouncing from specialist to specialist until the orthopedist’s MRI’s finally picked up ovarian cysts (which my gyno could have checked for with an ultrasound as soon as I mentioned constant pelvic pain).
I sit at a desk most of the time, but I also am very fidgety and change positions in my chair every few minutes. Guess I've been doing it right this whole time!
Lol
Massage therapist here, about knots. Knots are what I'd call somewhat random in nature they come from contracted muscles inable to relax, some people have more than others as they are more prone. Most knots can be removed with pressure digitally or with an elbow with some exceptions they independently are not the cause of back pain. Trigger points, knots with active pain pattern, are relatively less of a problem for average person instead stiff muscles from under use or overuse are generally more of issue. My job is to determine where your body is experiencing pain and to work appropriately to maintenance your muscles. From experience I'd say that other than the upper back, the neck generally has the most actual knots sheer due to the number of muscle attachments and how often we look down at our phones or stare at our computers.
This advice isn't intended to be beneficial to any individual in particular but more of an explanation what knots actually are.
P.S. There are 3 types of trigger points, active, latent and satellite. The active is pretty self explanatory but latent TPs are rather common throughout the body and you wouldn't notice them unless having body work. They hurt when pressed on, but no pain otherwise, satellite on the other hand hurt other parts of the body where it isn't. If I push into a shoulder knot but started causing pain on the back, these knots are particularly annoying and can actually cause pain regularly as they generally chain multiple pain receptors through the body usually superficial.
I'm so glad you brought up the move often thing. I had to learn that the hard way. Sitting 8+ hours at a desk for 6 years solid did a horrifying number on my back. I would wake up in just so much pain for months. However, after quitting that job and getting a new bed I feel a lot better. Got the new bed because the old one was just getting to be uncomfortable and I wouldn't even begin to tell you how old it was because it was a hand-me-down and I just in general, started moving around a lot more since I wasn't tied down to the desk all of the time. The two things combined did wonders for me.
My mother had terrible chronic shoulder and arm pains, ortho doctor couldn't see anything but prescribed physical therapy. Then my mother went to another and they actually gave her antidepressants, they told her there seems to be nothing wrong and it could be psychological, maybe stress. And her pain actually went away in 2 days. She has no pain and it's mind-blowing to me, how the brain can emualte pain just to signal, there's something wrong. Doctor thought it was because she recently got retired after years of working and she was always home, that's when the pain started. Which is very interesting.
I went to get Bowen therapy to retrain my brain to understand pain. Actually worked amazing. As I was having some form of central pain and it was coming from my brain much like your mother's just signaling that I was not feeling well. I know Bowen therapy doesn't work for everyone but I recommend to at least try it for anyone who's pain may be starting to become chronic. I don't know how much efficient it could be for already chronic pain or already settled central pain
Lost all confidence when they called a chiroprator...
A chiropractor? I expected better from this channel. Chiropractors aren’t often evidence based, and multiple meta analyses showed little to no benefit from chiropractor visits. Would rather the PT + an orthopedic MD/DO.
pretty sure there are 'bad' postures for sure but they gave no real practical advice lol. for example if someone has had shoulder pain or something that was the cause of 'bad' posture. although i guess it is somewhat goal dependent, the average person has no real reason to be as mobile as an olympic weight lifter or something
@@jalapenopoggers8310 The best posture is your next posture. Its that simple.
I would agree, working in the medical field, I am surprised to see they chose a chiropractor and even gave him a medical doctor title instead of a DC title which is a doctor of chriopractor 😂
Which shopping mall do you think he got his degree from?
All they do is crack your spine like how you crack your knuckles, if I wanted to crack my back I would sit in a chair and lean back some till it cracks. Boom, wheres my chiropractor degree?
Say what you want but I used to have very bad posture, my head was always down, I was hunching when walking etc, and pilates and stretching fixed that
You gain strength by building muscles. Therefore, your muscles are now able to hold positions that used to be difficult.
They have explained this in the worst way possible! While it's true that stretching a muscle will not correct your posture but stretching makes it easier to keep a good posture. They explained it like we are idiots, of course I know stretching won't magically stop me from slouching and make my back straight, everyone's knows that. If you want to slouch after stretching you can but no one wants that, we all want to keep our back straight but it's very hard and stretching just makes it easy to keep a good posture it's up to us if we still want to slouch or sit straight
I totally needed this video thank you
Please do a piece with real medical school trained board certified orthopedics and physical medicine specialists. Physical therapist is ok for this piece, but chiropractors are not real doctors.
They still study the body and have a lot practice with the human body. To discount their knowledge because they're not "medical" is a huge disservice to all. Key to learning is to keep an open mind.
Right? The title is so misleading, they are not doctors.
@@SparkPrincess Chiropractic is potentially dangerous nonsense.
@@SparkPrincess "Keep an open mind" is nonsense. A chiropractic being called a quack is not a result of close minded thinking. It is based on the fact that there is little to no evidence that it actually treats conditions. No, anecdotal evidence and stories that people hear from others do not count. Evidence here refers to proper randomized double-blinded placebo-controlled large-scale trials. Hence, chiropractic is not based in science; it is a pseudoscience. Having a lot of practice with the human body means nothing if no evidence is present to indicate that it actually works when all biases are removed. It doesn't matter is someone is called a 'doctor' or considered 'medical'; those are just technicalities. What matters is whether the 'expert' is practicing a discipline that is based in science or not. If chiropractic works for you or someone you know, good for you. Keep throwing more money at them. Are all chiropractics, or for that matter all pseudoscience practitioners, evil people looking to rob you of your money? Not necessarily. That being said, it is not recommended to all people because there is no evidence that it works.
Really informative, I have lots of back pain, so I guess I need to get much more movement. I feel like my backpain makes me want to rest more and it probably only makes it worse.
I'd love to see an episode on myths about hairloss and scalps
I'm subbed to one fitness trainer (with 20 years of active training behind) and she said that if your joint is in pain, it's signalling that it's in need of movement, and... she was right. My knees was hurting so much, but now I'm like walking around at the job (mostly sitting job) when I get an opportunity, move my back a little every 20-40 minutes and they don't hurt as much as they used to. Movement helps your joint to lube itself.
I have chronic lower back pain, part of which is arthritis. Sitting for a length of time always hurts my back. I have to get up periodically to walk. Even though it hurts for a bit, my back always feels better after a couple of minutes. Standing in one spot for a length of time is equally bad for my back.
How about debunking the myth of chiropractice?
Uh, one of them is a chiropractor. Chiro can be amazing.
All they’re doing is cracking the joints down your spine and neck like how someone cracks their fingers. It can cause sore muscles and if not careful can lead to herniated disc’s and in some cases, stroke due to manipulation of the neck. If you want to crack your back just sit on a chair and lean backwards while sitting in it.
That satisfying pop you hear is just air bubbles being popped in your joints. It can give some range of motion but only for 10 minutes or so because that’s how long it takes for air bubbles to form again. If you’re having pain in those joints, you need to see an actual doctor because chronic back pain won’t go away with stretches and trust me when I say that it’s better to seek medical attention if the pain is daily because joint damage in your spine and neck is no joke.
@@KateandBree chiropractors are quacks.
I have severe rheumatoid arthritis, mainly in my spine. The discs in my spine are damaged beyond repair, and it’s excruciating to be 19 with this. It’s so painful I’ll cry, but never have I threw up from pain. If you’re throwing up from pain, you need to go see a REAL doctor that can give you actual medication to stop it. Also, the placebo effect can easily trick your brain to think it’s better after going, only if you believe it. Inflammation in the spine also isn’t normal, my spinal inflammation was caused by arthritis which attacks my spine. Inflammation is NOT normal. And truth be told, if you both throw up from pain and randomly get inflammation, there’s something going on in your body that needs to get looked at by an actual doctor.
This series is gold
a chiropractor debunks anything besides his own quackery? this puts to shame all your previous experts. It loss them any credibility. goodbye
Same here. Can't believe SCIENCE insider just did this :(
There is a movement for evidence based practice in chiropractic, not everyone gives into the quackery although the profession seems plagued by it.
@@mrdisco8616 How do you build a legitimate practice on a foundation of bullshit? Isn't this a little like trying to be a legit phrenologist?
@@bowlsallbroken More like trying make any medical profession more scientifically accurate. All of them have some wrong ideas and also some people in them who try to replace the wrong ideas with better ones, it’s not like Chiropractic is that different in this regard.
@@mrdisco8616 Naw man, don't make a false equivalence.
Chiro's foundation is a bunch of supernatural mumbojumbo. It has no Germ Theory or physiology, pharmacology or toxicology, etc. What is there legit build up from?
Ðis series is SO important.
Þanks for sharing your knowledge wiþ us
Even as a kid I was already told muscle 'knots' were associated with lactic acid buildup, like not that one caused the other persay but that they were often tied together.
thank you so much for sharing!
Paused the video as soon as he said he was a chiropractor
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The first few comments were like whatever. The rest were pretty much agreeing with you lol.
Great session
"doctors" is a really misleading term here. in the context of medicine, doctor = physician, not doctorate degree holder. If we interview two history PhD's about back pain, it would be technically true to say "doctors" but highly misleading
well..a PhD is literally an expert. a physician is not as knowledgeable in a specific specialty
Is it misleading or just inaccurate? I don’t think labeling them as doctors leads us to believe they’re more qualified than they are to advise on these issues. If anything it opens the video to listeners who otherwise dismiss non MD health experts due to ignorance to the importance of a wide variety of experts in the medical field
The have doctorate degrees in the specialties.
Chiropractors are 'Witch-Doctors.' LOL
So you'd rather hear from a family doctor, opthalmologist, or cardiologist on the topic of back pain simply because they are "physicians" or medical doctors? Physical therapists literally deal with treating back pain and understand it at greater depths than most physicians. Especially given their PhD, which indicates they not only have experience with assessing and treating patients with back pain, but they may have also conducted researched and published their studies. Do you understand how extensive a process that is? They literally must go through all the past literature that other researchers published and understand everything in depth in order to build on past understandings and build brand new knowledge. To become a physician none of that is needed, and they will likely never conduct a study and publish findings (most of them). Physicians save lives and deserve our respect but they should not be treated as "all knowing" beings at the expense of other, more qualified health practitioners on this topic.
However, the case of the chiropractor there is a degree of illegitimacy tied to their knowledge when we look at the roots of chiropractic practice.
So on massages removing knots. I feel like they really set up a straw man there. I don't think anyone thinks of knots in their muscles and actually believes that they are tied in a knot, but way to go debunking that "myth". No, we have tight and sore spots that are referred to as knots. Some can be referred to as trigger points, but that is a bit more specific. I can't site a study, but people literally go to massages to have their muscles feel better. I think you need to actually provide some sort of research before you just dismiss this and say "actually massages don't relieve pain or soreness in the back."
i feel way better after a massage, i can literaly feel when the so called knots dissapear
So chiropractic is science?
this is enlightening
So what I'm hearing is that my tendency to shuffle into increasingly weird positions every 20 minutes or so when sitting at my computer is a good thing? (Note: I do indeed mean weird. At least one of them apparently qualifies as a yoga stretch.)
Precisely xD ahhaha I'm in a really weird position right now.
About the yoga part, I had a similar experience. When my feet are cold when I'm sleeping, I tend to automatically cross my legs in a way my feet are protected under the legs and then lie down over my legs. For years my mother has been worried about this posture, and a few months ago she texted her yoga teacher asking about it, and the woman said it's actually a great position that exists in yoga xD
If YOU PERSONALLY go to a chiropractor, you should know who DD Palmer is before you go to your next appointment.
Seriously. He thought he was channeling the principles of chiropractic from a dead guy and repeatedly said he was founding chiropractic as a new religion. It's insane bunk, end of.
I love this simple medical advice. It's just such a basic truth that so many trends and miracle cures try to defy. Step one for almost everything is to listen to your body! Your body knows when it is thirsty, when it wants to move, when it is tried. Obviously your body's first instinct is not always right, but most of the time you can be healthy by doing what your body is asking for at whatever given time (in moderation).
Will non-physicians with doctorates PLEASE stop referring to themselves as doctors? It is misleading to the public.
well, they are still doctors technically. so, why not?
@@merlinarthur4072 Because it misleads patients. Imagine a PT coming into your hospital room and calling themselves Dr. so and so. You'd think they were your doctor and not your PT. Then the real doctor comes and they're confused because didn't they just get seen by the doctor? I've seen it happen.
@@hummiebubs6967 valid point.
I work with rehab professionals and those with doctorates never refer to themselves as Dr. in their facility, hospitals or clinics to avoid being mistaken as medical doctors. I only hear it used in an academic settings or in things like conferences. I feel like in this video it’s totally fine that the physical therapist uses their title because they clearly state “doctor OF physical therapy” verbally in and in text.
And a goddamn chiropractor! Might as well have a doctor of selling magnetic water and snake oil on here!
I get a lot of neuralgia, and pain definitely doesn't mean something is wrong structurally, and also things are connected. Like I saw a chiropractor, and he showed me that I did actually have a bone out of place, I think it said it was the 5th vertebra in my neck, and I could feel it hitting the nerve and sending pain down my arm. It was years, and I had no idea since physio just put heat on it and told me to stretch my neck (which didn't help). I still don't know why I have nerve pain elsewhere, but I'm working on that with a team of 6 people I see whenever I can.
Some postures reinforce deconditioning of the spinal muscles and increase stress on your spine, which may not be painful but will increase risk of injury (your spinal muscles are anchors) and decreases brain activation as well.
Thank you
Chiropractic is a form of alternative medicine. It has esoteric origins and is based on several pseudoscientific ideas. Good job, "Science" Insider. Featuring a chiropractor is massively irresponsible. Why not debunk chiropractic instead? Or will you have a homeopath debunking health myths next?
While the origins of chiropratic are rooted in pseudo science, a lot of chiropractors today simply focus on rehab, stretching and massaging in an honest way. Especially outside of the US, where it's pretty rare for chiropractors to make outlandish claims.
Hey there, this is Dr. David Song (the one in the video). As @currenlysad had mentioned we really focus on rehab a lot (just take a look at my channel - all physical rehabilitation). Chiropractic is a profession, not a treatment method.
All these insider “myths answered” things change the sayings to state “always” simply to make it a myth.
The saying is actually, “if you feel pain, it _could_ mean something is wrong”… *not* “always means…”
I knew a guy that has one shoulder noticeably higher then the other for the most part is not obvious but noticeable and he's really self conscious about it. I told him as long as he's been checked out and it isn't painful just relax.
I agree that chiropractors overall have a bad rap… but in this video they are both are offering sound advice, backed by research.
Thank you for the soft mattress information.
Some years ago we bought a firm King Size Temperpedic mattress. (Sorry, this is going to sound like an advertisement. It's not. We didn't actually compare our purchases. The Temperpedic store was a few blocks from our house). My wife found it very comfortable.
I found my back didn't like it. So we got a Twin Size of what was then a new Cloud Series (I believe it is called). The store didn't have any in stock yet so I couldn't test supine them. So I just ordered the softest of the three in the series and waited. When it arrived I dropped into it and sank deeper than I ever have before.
My back didn't hurt at all. I could lay on my back or sides and I felt even pressure everywhere. I could completely relax and remain in position. After all these years I still hope this mattress lasts for the rest of my life. (They are not cheap).
My wife kept the great big mattress and I have a little one. Still, the dog and the cat sleep with me. I guess they like a soft mattress too.
It's harder to get out of than a regular mattress, no side support.
No energy directed downward is returned. No bounce. No rhythm....
So that's very different. Her mattress is better suited for some activities.
Good posture is good in terms of appearance, not health
Glad i chose swimming in my teenage years!
You got a CHIROPRACTOR on an EXPERT video. Good God
I’m confused. These guys say there is no bad posture, then say slouching is bad. I feel like we have all seen people who can’t stand straight because of bad posture.
Hey there, this is Dr. David Song (from the video). The message we were trying to convey was that slouching isn't bad, it's only when you do it for several hours that it can affect you negatively, but the same could be said about an upright posture (which can also cause soreness if held for several hours). This is why being mobile throughout the day can be beneficial.
Did anyone else get an ad talking about how slouching is bad for your posture?
Sorry, ad block sis lol
That posture trainer thingy
@@cillaxandhavesometea pls don't block the ads ,support the creators.
Another myth is that lifting heavy stuff is bad for your back. All my life I have disregarded warnings against lifting heavy objects. If I need or want to lift a log, rock, appliance, or whatever, I do it, if I possibly can. I have lifted rocks and loaded them into my pickup truck that were so heavy that I failed on the first few attempts trying different grips and lifting styles until exhausted and came back another day rested to try again and succeed. All because I like to have big rocks in my yard. I still do this in my 50's. I've never gotten back problems from it. Then other times when I haven't lifted anything I get back pain from standing and doing light manual labor at my factory job. When my day off comes and I do what I call "real man work" at home on the farm and in the woods my back pain goes away. Bending over and lifting stuff fixes any back problems that I may have. If you're not in the habit of doing this, don't jump in all at once, but work up to it gradually.
Just staying active in general and moving around a lot is good too. I never sit more than about 15 minutes without getting up and moving. If I even watch a CZcams video longer than 15 minutes I will take a break and get up, even if just for a minute. I don't plan it that way, I just can't stand to sit that long.
Mostly good information 👍. There's so much confusion about the subject
1:40 Though, it really helps with tense muscles and headaches, and it keeps flexibility. Just look at office workers bending over; some don't even get half way down, and they experience pain when doing so.
What's also really important is muscle training. Again, some office workers have so weak back and shoulder muscles that they basically can't even walk upright. Some don't even know what that is anymore.
6:00 It's important to add, that sitting for long periods of time in a "comfortable" slouched back position doesn't exactly help with scoliosis (and other problems, of course). Especially in teenagers whose back muscles can't support their back anymore, the scoliosis will only grow worse.
wait, so you're saying that being leaned or hunched over position that in order to see in front of you, you have to put your head and neck in an extended position all the time isn't a bad posture? a position that uses your muscles in an odd uneven way isn't a bad posture?
They did say that a posture you spend too much time in is a bad posture. They didn't really address uneven muscle development causing pain, but that's also not a myth.
did you watch the video or what
I cant watch this video without hear "You better shut your mouth or I'm gonna **** it" 😂😂
Medical professional here. Give me two real doctors. Not someone who has never seen a real spine before, or a US sanctioned quack.
Symmetry?
My right leg is 1/2” shorter than my left. Plus, my right foot is a half size smaller than my left. I do have scoliosis. However, I didn’t even know I had it until 2010.
The curve in my lower spine is less than 10 degrees. I don’t consider myself disabled because of my back. It can cause me pain occasionally. I just have to be aware of what I’m able to do.
Stretching, exercise change, learn by doing, Skyrim (endure, it's gets better)
Anxiety is biggest threat in recovering. Fire!
I feel like every neuroscientist would say there is a good posture and it’s about keeping the spine happy and the nerves from unnecessary compression. I have back pain myself, and stuff good posture hurts for sure, but properly holding my body upright yet relaxed is a game changer
Me getting excited because I heard 'biopsychosocial model' 😁
I did an mri one time and saw a really bad knot, so I’m confused 🤔
'asymmetrical body is a common thing'
me; oh no ,i lying to myself this whole time.
Oh a Chiropractor so not a real doctor, great for debunking!
Please do a segment on pregnancy n back pain
I had a fall, dislocated some bones, not even a bad fall.. Doctors told me it happened, because of a lifetime of martial arts
Please talk about menstrual cup.pros and cons
Gross lol.
I slouch sometimes and straighten my spine, when needed. It's not a big deal, unless you ultimately care what others think about you.
My mom went to a bad chiropractor like 9 years ago and he cracked her neck in a wierd way it's been in pain ever since if she doesn't constantly do yoga any recommendations
Visit a good chiropractor
@@finickyaman3412 didn't help
@@person2194 it will, a good chiropractor can tell what went wrong with the old one and can find a solution
@@finickyaman3412 ok...
Or if she lost trust in chiropractors look for an osteopathic dr.
my neck hurts all the time and its really hard to sleep and sometimes my limbs feel numb, my shoulder-blades hurt a lot too
um should i be concerned? its been kidn of for two years now, but the numbness has only been recent
i keep not wanting to lay on my side cause i feel like my idk shoulders feel bad and it just hurts regardless so i often lay down on my back and fall asleep or something else
if i should be concerned, how TF do i get my dad to get me to talk to a docter? he litrally did that only twice asidjofkngtfh
2:05 can confirm. Swam since a little kid, never competitively tho, and my body is very stereotypical for a swimmer now. Wide thighs, broad shoulders which mean most jackets and shirts need to be a bit bigger than otherwise…
What about sleeping positions or having a pillow between the knees to keep your spine straight?
Hey this is Dr. Song (from the video). While it can help for certain conditions, it isn't absolutely necessary to do if you don't have problems. Hope that helps!
i had been freaking out about my slightly longer leg...
I had a specific muscle released by a physiotherapist. Don’t tell me knots in muscles do not exist. Instant and permanent pain relief.
“Stand up straight with your shoulders back”- Red Skull
Lmao
I'll show this to my dad the next time he wants me to sit on a chair instead of in the couch
If you have sciatica a good slouch every so often can alleviate your pain by gapping the joints in your back
I’m in physical therapy at Bay Park Hospital and my therapist said I have bad posture
It's not science anymore :)
Different activities need certain postures. Singing needs maximum lung expansion and as little tension in the neck as possible, doesn't mean I need to walk around all day without dipping my chin or slouching.
I tend to think chiropractors aren’t legitimate doctors but at least this one tells the truth. So many quacks out there
it’s really weird how bad posture does makes my back feel better than good posture
What can i do physically if when i stretch i get charlie horses? I had some atrophy in muscles due to chronic illness and inflammation. My doc said thia chi. Need something very low intensity at first. Its been a while and ive had a lot of abdominal surgeries since the last time I was active. Anyone got any suggestions.other than thi chi. I was thinking light dancing. (My core feeling like it has scar tissue doesnt help when i try to move in general also. Been literally cut in the same spot 4 times. Than the other way 2 times.
(Ps. Its not like i didnt like my docs suggestion but i may try something to get my heart rate up a little also. ) also if anyone knows what i can do or where i can find a medical corset. (Or just a really good supportive bra. Im so topheavy it feels like my chest is pulling muscles in my rib area. (Had hysderectomy so they did cut a lot. The menapause may have contributed to me being even more top heavy than I was before. Its literally killing me every night and i dont wanna end up with a rod in my back like one of my parents. Any suggestions are appreciated.
Very nice that you bring up the importance of the psychological factor. I suffer from severe anxiety and exhaustion, and I have, with help from my physiotherapists, learned to differentiate between the pain that stems from too much activity, that creates what I like to call sensory overload, and pain that pertains to damage.
It still hurts like hell - less than a sneeze with broken ribs, but close to a caugh with broken ribs when it is at its worst. but knowing I when there is nothing physically wrong with me, is reassuring.