Why should Hawaiians be expected to give up their Holy land, their place of worship. Would something like this happen in Israel? Remove worshippers from the Wailing Wall. I don’t think so.
50 years ago they gave it up to build a telescope and now there are a dozen telescopes up there... If I had holy / sacred ground nobody would be building a damn thing on it. Supposedly they let the telescope to be built so they could rebuild hilo after the tsunami .,.
GIVE THEM AN INCH ...AND THEY WILL TAKE A MILE: "Sharing" went down the drain when no one would allow ONE CAR of Ko Pae 'Aina worshippers to traverse to the summit (in violation of the Native Tenant Rights act). At this juncture, it is only fitting that the "ante" be upped , and the demand (not request) for written evidence re Title and Jurisdiction be added to the list ...since apparently someone believes they have (T and J)... that right to prevent this Worship from occurring (or even not occurring for that matter). I would presume at the forefront of this demand would be the name Suzanne Case (BLNR) ...of whom can now be held in Contempt of Hawaiian Kingdom Law (if she does not reply in writing) since she is also in Default for another case demanding evidence (i.e. "Particulars") for another LAND GRAB (of Hawaiian Kingdom land) she has authorized.
Hold up... They blocked the people from going up to fix an urgent issue with the telescope unless they publicly made a statement right then and there that they stand with the protectors?? That sounds a little blackmail-ish. People are allowed to have their own thoughts.
No you're not allowed to have your own thoughts in Hawaii. You have to submit to the collective mind of this protest organizer's group. The road pirates are in charge!
Any "authority" needs to provide evidence of Title to the "Aina to prove jurisdiction. That MUST be one of a DEMAND to whoever the actors of the fake state are ...county or state. This continues to be obscured.
If this was a catholic church being taken down, for the TMT the world would have a shit storm, but because it's a mountain an not a church no one cares. So freaking sad.
The rights of Native Americans have been trampled on since the first encounter with Europeans. Their lands have been taken, then taken again. They are allowed their cultural beliefs and religions, as long as it does not interfere with some other people's ability to make money and accumulate wealth. This is a story that has been going on across the Americas since they were first "discovered." The government of the United States has continued this legacy, now on the island of Hawaii. The government, which is to be for and by the people, always seems to step on the side of corporations and the super wealthy. The "people" are now just for the providing of money from taxes and labor. The government and its judicial system is not for the people, especially at the expense of Native Americans. Native Americans were "given" parcels of land in exchange for the land that is now the United States. The big problem with this "gift," is that whenever the natives land is wanted or needed the treaty is no longer valid. Back when I was a child their was a saying that when a person gave something, then wanted it back, they were an "Indian giver." So sad that this is still continuing.
The rich and powerful don’t have hearts. They see something, they want it, “ok how much? Or better yet, can we just take it?” It’s sickening. Your point of view was very well-put
@@feletipula_JCIL Nobody on that mountain indulges themselves in witchcraft or of any such sorts. We are all GOD loving people. We all give thanks to the Most High. You have a lack of understanding beyond belief.
@@feletipula_JCIL I'm sorry that you have a total lack of understanding. If you really praised GOD'S word and honor the good book , you would realize we don't live on a Globe. Modern Astronomy is a religion and a satanic lie. I'm not speaking on behalf of anyone, I say this to you as an individual. Please gain more understanding
@@feletipula_JCIL I've been looking and studying for 3 years now. We don't live on a Globe. Are you going to perpetuate this satanic lie now? You really do need to gain more understanding. What's happening on that mountain is beautiful. You should try and be there you would be amazed at how much Love there is.
m w I’m glad they did that, now we have more of a reason to kick these bums out of the way. Also this guys story is not true to what happened, they only would let them through if they would write a note siding with the protesters so they said no way and drove back to Hilo and filed a formal complaint.
Bradda no ask the insurgent for permission. Just go praise the lord if someone trespass against you then you defend and educate. Restore the Hawaiian kingdom!
What's up there at Mauna Kea that they're fighting for? Is there a temple or graveyards up there? What's there? And did Hawaiians go up there before this protest? Did they go there to worship? Friends and family I have on the Big Island said as far as they know, nobody ever went up there or cared about that place until it got in the news. And I really do want to know what's the deal with the place, so those replying can save your racism for someone else because every time I ask a question, all you people do is insult me with racism. But I am used to it, considering I went to Kawananakoa and Roosevelt and heard it from them constantly anyway.
Basically, they getting attention because of the money involved so they're using it to "fight the man" and push their political agenda. They're not representative of all Hawaiians. I, for one, find what they're doing disgusting. Lying to young people and the world about our history and culture for personal gains.
I see many reasons. I travel the mountain summit many times a week and have my own sacred reasons fir them not building on this site. One, It's an ancient burial ground. Some Hawaiians today have conformed to the americam way and that disgusts me, how people forget are so quick to change and fall away from there culture. These guys inspire me and many around the world. Two, they woll dig deep in the mpuntain to the fresh water table and no one knows what that will do to the land. Three, not many go up there like you've seen in the last week but some do go up there to pray and have been for 2000 years. I have personally seen this in the last year of my travels. These people are sick of it...many around the world are sick of politicians and the wealthy pushing around the meek and I pray they beat these evil people and keep their land.
@Tina Ho You should go up and see for yourself. It's funny to me how you talk shit and then ask "what's up there?" Don't be ignorant and rely on what you hear from others. Go and see for yourself and make your own decisions. The world does need followers but please stop
He flip flops. How can he cite the constitution and laws, which he has a very valid point. Yet setup their own roadblock and implement their own rules and terms which he wants his terms to be acknowledged and followed?
Their request for a vehicle to go up to summit every day is extremely reasonable. On your average 24h day when the summit is open, I think there will be somewhere around 10-20 tour vehicles visits to the summit... So I don't see any valid reasons to deny natives & locals the ability to visit the summit. I'm the farthest thing from a spiritual person, but if you have ever been to the summit of Mauna Kea you probably know very well that the place has much more to offer the world and it's people than simply a nice spot to plop down land-based telescopes.
As long as the State of Hawaii and the United States government continues to suppress the Hawaiian people, young native leaders such as Kahookahi will continue to grow and become stronger.
Yup! and the more privileged white people get, the weaker they become. For example, while 80% of heroin busts in the US are black, 80% of the ODs are white; These 'free passes' that whites have gotten has blessed us with the current white opioid and suicide epidemics. They fucking themselves in the ass, and soon it will be us Hawaiians fucking them in the ass.
America is One Nation Under God, No Ill will there, Havai'i need to know where they originate from and that is not your deities but the God of Israel, The Creator of heaven and Earth. You notice the Same thing with the Native Indians? Alaskans? Indians and their slums? Everywhere there is the Homeless they deities as their god's? Havai'i need to change now. America is a big brother keeping every prying and evil eyes from you. Your Problem has nothing to do with government it is you the Kanaka Havai'i yet you think she is stealing you from the Islanders? What would you prefer? Communism? The Devil like for you to think that, because that steers you away farther from the Truth and the truth is The Devil is winning your hearts. What would you prefer? Communism? All Hail Lord Thy God, The God of Israel, All Glory to The Lord Thy God, God of the Living forever and ever, He is Merciful, Loving and Most Powerful,
All the power to the protectors of Hawaii......ALL the power....to the citizens of Hawaii.............Im a 63 year old New Yorker ...and im with you.....Americans are with the people and their sacred culture. I hope the Governor understands this sacred trust. There is only ONE side......the side of the rights of the people and their culture.
greenwoodtea It’s good that you feel that way! Let me just add to your knowledge....Hawaii IS NOT the 50th state🤯. Instead it is a nation that is and has been (for over 100yrs) under US illegal occupation. Please pass that on, spread the truth. And if you don’t believe me, watch this: czcams.com/video/RWgfKfgntHs/video.html Beware of the ‘red pill’(The Matrix, 1999).😉 Mahalo
@@charmellacmac7363 I guess the 93% of Hawaii citizens that voted for Statehood should be ignored too. I guess an absolute monarchy was just so much more awesome, especially with all those rights they had, like voting...oh wait.
Jessica Zane Lol you mean the 93% that were not Hawaiian? If you’re gonna use that at least acknowledge that HAWAIIANS had LITTLE to NO say during that time. Please educate yourself. It was a constitutional monarchy 🤦♂️ Please do more research before making an ignorant comment.
GREAT QUESTION!!! Hawaii is NOT the 50th state. It is an Independent Nation!😳Yes, my friend. We are NOT nor EVER have been under POTUS. Welcome to the “red pill”! We have treaties with every Nation EXCEPT US🤯. If you were to tell a lie long enough(generations)many will believe it.....after a while....so will you. Welcome to the history that the rest of the world knows BESIDES amerika🥺🥺 Take time out of your life to digest some truth....if you think you can handle it: czcams.com/video/RWgfKfgntHs/video.html
Considering that I have never been to Oahu how would I know what's built there and that doesn't negate that he's mentally unstable and an idiot much like yourself.
@@charmellacmac7363 so are you saying you dont pay state taxes? Or are you on welfare? Because if Hawaii is not a state, then, ummmm......idk, please help me answer this question lol
They need to allow one vehicle for religious purposes and allow the new telescope to be build that will bring new jobs and it's a benefit to all humanity in space observation. With that being said they should never be allowed to block access to hikers or anyone the telescopes should be more open and should have more public Access get more people interested in space.
The issue on the Mauna is and always was about sovereignty. Desecration? Not even close. TMT needs 6 acres out of 11,000. Blocking the telescope and the astronomy community will not advance sovereignty by even an inch. Any somewhat intelligent person that has the ability / desire to think this through will understand this. Tribal / Mob mentality is just so stupid. Where is it going to get you? How about NOWHERE. Hawaii wants STEM education for our keiki.TMT already paid out over $5,000,000 That's $5Million. Hawaii wants 200 plus good paying local union jobs for our families.Hawaii wants this cutting edge Telescope that is designed to find life on other planets. What are the protesters offering to Hawaii, its workforce, its keiki. Absolutely NOTHING.
@@alphanflking31 you are so unbelievably stupid to believe this. Brah uncle wen tell me so must be true. So stupid. Really common sense? Looks at THE FACTS idiot.
@TRUTHxCJ-- you wouldn't know the truth if it bite you in your okole. which is where your head is parked. here's some news shitferbrains. this is from a news item in yesterday's Herald Trib. State poll: 72% native Hawai'ians are pro TMT. Statewide all residents, it is 77%. take your racist comments and put them some place sacred. knuckleheads like you think learning and science is anathema to your religion. you're outnumbered. by a lot. ur just a fringe; howzit feel to be truly irrelevant?
1 vehicle a day...seems resonable....but it goes to show that if its granted to us....hawaiiains get the lower end of a deal...also exposing how our race is treated within our own island place we call home.
So very sad. So many people losing their livelihood in this community. Observatory workers. Tour bus workers. And the construction workers who would be building the project right now. If I were any of these workers who have been displaced by these protesters, I would sue them for every penny I had lost. Keep filming!
@@ghoulxx4663 Except the Hawaiian people have so far refused to be included in that act. They are not a recognized tribe, and no they aren't even if the Hawaiians were a federally recognized tribe.
@@DisruptarianRadio That's because the Hawaiian Kingdom (Hawaii) has never been annexed by, or ceded to the United States. That's a fact and not a debate. So yes, the US is in violation. If you find a treaty of annexation, let me know because not even your government has located it....Fact.
The best spot to put a Telescope isn't on the island of Hawai'i... Neither is it on the Canary Islands. It's in space. James Webb space telescope will be wholly better than TMT.
taiyoctopus Exactly. I’ve been saying this to TMT supporters the whole time but they purposely ignore it because it does not comply with their agenda. TMT is being built in an era where ground based telescopes are on the decline. By the time the TMT is built (if it ever will be) it will be an old, obsolete piece of garbage in the new era of space based telescopes.
The rights of the people to the top of the mountain.....and worship......is NOT negotiable. The culture of the people....define Hawaii.......the corporations CAN NOT own the mountain...the people of America will not accept it.
72% of Native Hawaiians support the telescope project and 77% of the people of Hawaii support it and only 15% oppose it. So I guess the people want the telescope. And that's from a Star Advertiser poll, a leftist newspaper too.
To be clear: According to National and International law, Government's oath is to act according to the rule of law; and protection of the people's rights. Human rights violations are war crimes (in this instance for Mauna Kea); regarding the Native Tennant Rights with the people and sacred lands.
when usa occupied your country, you fought and defended america from japan. even though some native hawaians were japanesse decent. when the war was over they wouldnt allow you all to have guns too hunt. a violation of the 2nd admendment. when they marginalized yalls religion that was a violation of the 1st admendment. now they wont even deal with yalls simple request to allow one vehicle, much less multiple vehicles fr worship, is still violation of the 1st admendment. which makes it a flagrant aggregish violation . which is worse. dont give them anymore concessions. sue the local, state, and federal goverments! where is trump? you think he would have something to say. god bless yall my fellow americans, I STAND WITH YOU! ALOHA
by the way the right to go up the mountain being denied a violation of the 4th admendment. the right to travel and the right to take and secure your property from harm
The fact that the other existing observatories and the state are unwilling to concede the littlest thing (1 truck of kia’i a day) is unreal...respect is a two-way street. KU KIA’I MAUNA!!
This whole incident has really shown peoples true colors. It is clear that Hawaiians are the only one's capable of aloha, respect and sound reason. And it really makes everyone else appear out of place, like they clearly don't belong. I foresee this fact being a paramount reason that Hawaiians, the most beautiful people in the world, will one day reclaim their rightful place as leaders of the most beautiful place on the world.
I find it only ridiculous not to accepting your proposal to grant free Way for only one vehicle per Day. That would bring this Situation to a good end ! But it shows too thats only to show the power again against a Minority . Fight for your Rights ! ✌
I'm for the Hawaiians, but before all this ' protecting' started I bet they was not going up there very often to worship... I been up there many times and never saw any religious practices going on, just workers..working on the dozen telescopes.
Exactly! No body had flags on their vehicles only now they like make like. Aaahhh come on now! And tbh, the only god you supposed to be worshipping is our lord and savior, JESUS CHRIST!! All these "Hawaiian gods" are make believe! Stories the old people tell us when we small. It's just like Santa claus and the Easter bunny. All make believe!! You go up the mauna, what you see? RUBISH, beer cans/bottles, etc. How you going say "protect our mauna" when the same people littering everywhere!? Not just up the mauna, but all over Hawaii! This place is disgusting! 12, 13 year old girls getting pregnant here, we rank 4th in teenage pregnancy in the nation! Now instead of saying TMT will hurt the keiki, what about the parents who aren't real parents to their own kids? Allowing them and buying teenagers alcohol and allowing them to smoke cigarettes and even vape!!! I seen a little boy maybe 14 years old, vaping and telling his friends, come over bumbai, my dad bought us crown royal. Like wow! Great way to protect the keiki! And the worst part was, this kid was hawaiian, filipino. LMFAO
@@aloha_warriors7481 sad. But I agree. There are some great Hawaiians but not enough.. I have seen ppl come here on their vacation and pick up rubbish for most of the day then swim for a hour then leave.. Kids skipping school to sell weed then offer ppl 5 bucks to buy them a 40oz beer... Also wtf is with this catch and release of meth heads? Police catch them in a stolen car with meth then release them, and repeat... I have seen the same names in the news paper for several months!!! But if a haole does the same everyone says he needs to be shipped back to mainland.. Local guy does it ' aw poor brahda needs love'... As for telescopes I say remove them all or load up the mountain... This virtue signalling is enough to gag a maggot.
Ige passed the buck, and now it’s up to the mayor. Shame... I feel like that’s why he went up. No longer his direct problem anymore... I hope the mayor handles it better.
People are more important than telescopes. Aloha🌈💯
Are future is more important and the knowledge that we can gain from the telescope to benefit the world
Why should Hawaiians be expected to give up their Holy land, their place of worship. Would something like this happen in Israel? Remove worshippers from the Wailing Wall. I don’t think so.
Just toss them some cash and they’ll forget about their “HOLY LAND” 💯💯💯🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
They steal holy land in the main land still also.
@@22Halfbreed No
walk in beauty just listen to what this guy is saying you’ll get the point
50 years ago they gave it up to build a telescope and now there are a dozen telescopes up there... If I had holy / sacred ground nobody would be building a damn thing on it. Supposedly they let the telescope to be built so they could rebuild hilo after the tsunami .,.
You don't need them to allow you, it's your right, take it. We gotta walk in it to make it work. Modern day government takes, not accommodates.
GIVE THEM AN INCH ...AND THEY WILL TAKE A MILE:
"Sharing" went down the drain when no one would allow ONE CAR of Ko Pae 'Aina worshippers to traverse to the summit (in violation of the Native Tenant Rights act). At this juncture, it is only fitting that the "ante" be upped , and the demand (not request) for written evidence re Title and Jurisdiction be added to the list ...since apparently someone believes they have (T and J)... that right to prevent this Worship from occurring (or even not occurring for that matter). I would presume at the forefront of this demand would be the name Suzanne Case (BLNR) ...of whom can now be held in Contempt of Hawaiian Kingdom Law (if she does not reply in writing) since she is also in Default for another case demanding evidence (i.e. "Particulars") for another LAND GRAB (of Hawaiian Kingdom land) she has authorized.
Hold up... They blocked the people from going up to fix an urgent issue with the telescope unless they publicly made a statement right then and there that they stand with the protectors?? That sounds a little blackmail-ish. People are allowed to have their own thoughts.
No you're not allowed to have your own thoughts in Hawaii. You have to submit to the collective mind of this protest organizer's group. The road pirates are in charge!
The Protectors are making a difference and I hope that they achieve their goals and make Hawaii great again.
Any "authority" needs to provide evidence of Title to the "Aina to prove jurisdiction. That MUST be one of a DEMAND to whoever the actors of the fake state are ...county or state. This continues to be obscured.
We Hawaiianas are not the Enemy, We are the Protectors!
If this was a catholic church being taken down, for the TMT the world would have a shit storm, but because it's a mountain an not a church no one cares. So freaking sad.
The rights of Native Americans have been trampled on since the first encounter with Europeans. Their lands have been taken, then taken again. They are allowed their cultural beliefs and religions, as long as it does not interfere with some other people's ability to make money and accumulate wealth. This is a story that has been going on across the Americas since they were first "discovered."
The government of the United States has continued this legacy, now on the island of Hawaii. The government, which is to be for and by the people, always seems to step on the side of corporations and the super wealthy. The "people" are now just for the providing of money from taxes and labor. The government and its judicial system is not for the people, especially at the expense of Native Americans. Native Americans were "given" parcels of land in exchange for the land that is now the United States. The big problem with this "gift," is that whenever the natives land is wanted or needed the treaty is no longer valid.
Back when I was a child their was a saying that when a person gave something, then wanted it back, they were an "Indian giver." So sad that this is still continuing.
The rich and powerful don’t have hearts. They see something, they want it, “ok how much? Or better yet, can we just take it?” It’s sickening. Your point of view was very well-put
@@feletipula_JCIL
You worship Satan.
@@feletipula_JCIL
Nobody on that mountain indulges themselves in witchcraft or of any such sorts. We are all GOD loving people. We all give thanks to the Most High. You have a lack of understanding beyond belief.
@@feletipula_JCIL
I'm sorry that you have a total lack of understanding. If you really praised GOD'S word and honor the good book , you would realize we don't live on a Globe. Modern Astronomy is a religion and a satanic lie. I'm not speaking on behalf of anyone, I say this to you as an individual. Please gain more understanding
@@feletipula_JCIL
I've been looking and studying for 3 years now. We don't live on a Globe. Are you going to perpetuate this satanic lie now? You really do need to gain more understanding. What's happening on that mountain is beautiful. You should try and be there you would be amazed at how much Love there is.
His story of Gemini is not even accurate. Big mistake in turning them around.
m w I’m glad they did that, now we have more of a reason to kick these bums out of the way. Also this guys story is not true to what happened, they only would let them through if they would write a note siding with the protesters so they said no way and drove back to Hilo and filed a formal complaint.
Wow! TMT is actually going to be at least FOUR times larger than that computer graphic made it seem like it would be. Ha!
Bradda no ask the insurgent for permission. Just go praise the lord if someone trespass against you then you defend and educate. Restore the Hawaiian kingdom!
Rule of law, Hawaiian cultural, the supreme law of the host Nation
What's up there at Mauna Kea that they're fighting for? Is there a temple or graveyards up there? What's there? And did Hawaiians go up there before this protest? Did they go there to worship? Friends and family I have on the Big Island said as far as they know, nobody ever went up there or cared about that place until it got in the news.
And I really do want to know what's the deal with the place, so those replying can save your racism for someone else because every time I ask a question, all you people do is insult me with racism. But I am used to it, considering I went to Kawananakoa and Roosevelt and heard it from them constantly anyway.
Basically, they getting attention because of the money involved so they're using it to "fight the man" and push their political agenda.
They're not representative of all Hawaiians. I, for one, find what they're doing disgusting. Lying to young people and the world about our history and culture for personal gains.
Shane Na lol this is anything but personal gain kook
I see many reasons. I travel the mountain summit many times a week and have my own sacred reasons fir them not building on this site. One, It's an ancient burial ground. Some Hawaiians today have conformed to the americam way and that disgusts me, how people forget are so quick to change and fall away from there culture. These guys inspire me and many around the world. Two, they woll dig deep in the mpuntain to the fresh water table and no one knows what that will do to the land. Three, not many go up there like you've seen in the last week but some do go up there to pray and have been for 2000 years. I have personally seen this in the last year of my travels.
These people are sick of it...many around the world are sick of politicians and the wealthy pushing around the meek and I pray they beat these evil people and keep their land.
Tina Ho Well your friends don’t know enough Hawaiians. Hawaiians would go there all the time.
@Tina Ho You should go up and see for yourself. It's funny to me how you talk shit and then ask "what's up there?" Don't be ignorant and rely on what you hear from others. Go and see for yourself and make your own decisions. The world does need followers but please stop
He flip flops. How can he cite the constitution and laws, which he has a very valid point.
Yet setup their own roadblock and implement their own rules and terms which he wants his terms to be acknowledged and followed?
Their request for a vehicle to go up to summit every day is extremely reasonable. On your average 24h day when the summit is open, I think there will be somewhere around 10-20 tour vehicles visits to the summit... So I don't see any valid reasons to deny natives & locals the ability to visit the summit.
I'm the farthest thing from a spiritual person, but if you have ever been to the summit of Mauna Kea you probably know very well that the place has much more to offer the world and it's people than simply a nice spot to plop down land-based telescopes.
As long as the State of Hawaii and the United States government continues to suppress the Hawaiian people, young native leaders such as Kahookahi will continue to grow and become stronger.
Can you explain how the Hawaiians are being “ supressed “ ? Or are you just spitting out bullshit?💯💯💯💯🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Yup! and the more privileged white people get, the weaker they become. For example, while 80% of heroin busts in the US are black, 80% of the ODs are white; These 'free passes' that whites have gotten has blessed us with the current white opioid and suicide epidemics.
They fucking themselves in the ass, and soon it will be us Hawaiians fucking them in the ass.
America is One Nation Under God, No Ill will there, Havai'i need to know where they originate from and that is not your deities but the God of Israel, The Creator of heaven and Earth.
You notice the Same thing with the Native Indians? Alaskans? Indians and their slums? Everywhere there is the Homeless they deities as their god's? Havai'i need to change now.
America is a big brother keeping every prying and evil eyes from you. Your Problem has nothing to do with government it is you the Kanaka Havai'i yet you think she is stealing you from the Islanders? What would you prefer? Communism?
The Devil like for you to think that, because that steers you away farther from the Truth and the truth is The Devil is winning your hearts.
What would you prefer? Communism?
All Hail Lord Thy God, The God of Israel,
All Glory to The Lord Thy God, God of the Living forever and ever,
He is Merciful, Loving and Most Powerful,
All the power to the protectors of Hawaii......ALL the power....to the citizens of Hawaii.............Im a 63 year old New Yorker ...and im with you.....Americans are with the people and their sacred culture. I hope the Governor understands this sacred trust. There is only ONE side......the side of the rights of the people and their culture.
greenwoodtea It’s good that you feel that way! Let me just add to your knowledge....Hawaii IS NOT the 50th state🤯. Instead it is a nation that is and has been (for over 100yrs) under US illegal occupation. Please pass that on, spread the truth. And if you don’t believe me, watch this: czcams.com/video/RWgfKfgntHs/video.html
Beware of the ‘red pill’(The Matrix, 1999).😉 Mahalo
@@charmellacmac7363 I guess the 93% of Hawaii citizens that voted for Statehood should be ignored too. I guess an absolute monarchy was just so much more awesome, especially with all those rights they had, like voting...oh wait.
Jessica Zane Lol you mean the 93% that were not Hawaiian? If you’re gonna use that at least acknowledge that HAWAIIANS had LITTLE to NO say during that time. Please educate yourself. It was a constitutional monarchy 🤦♂️ Please do more research before making an ignorant comment.
@@charmellacmac7363 I know....
@@ghoulxx4663 so everyone who's a non-Hawaiian didn't matter? ok.
If you’re allowing access you don’t have a ROAD BLOCK🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
22Halfbreed they blocked a group of maintenance guys for Gemini. Big *big* mistake.
So what's going to happen if POTUS steps in? Lol
GREAT QUESTION!!! Hawaii is NOT the 50th state. It is an Independent Nation!😳Yes, my friend. We are NOT nor EVER have been under POTUS. Welcome to the “red pill”! We have treaties with every Nation EXCEPT US🤯. If you were to tell a lie long enough(generations)many will believe it.....after a while....so will you. Welcome to the history that the rest of the world knows BESIDES amerika🥺🥺
Take time out of your life to digest some truth....if you think you can handle it:
czcams.com/video/RWgfKfgntHs/video.html
Hmm I am pretty sure he's to stupid to know where Hawaii is or what it is dudes handicapped.
bish bosh
Lol are you forgetting he owns trumps tower hotel on waikiki?
Uneducated statement I might say buddy.
Considering that I have never been to Oahu how would I know what's built there and that doesn't negate that he's mentally unstable and an idiot much like yourself.
@@charmellacmac7363 so are you saying you dont pay state taxes? Or are you on welfare? Because if Hawaii is not a state, then, ummmm......idk, please help me answer this question lol
They need to allow one vehicle for religious purposes and allow the new telescope to be build that will bring new jobs and it's a benefit to all humanity in space observation. With that being said they should never be allowed to block access to hikers or anyone the telescopes should be more open and should have more public Access get more people interested in space.
Ka’hoʻokahi Kanuha has been absolutely on point, we stand with our kupuna Kū kiaʻi Mauna
#kapualoha
Sadly, This Is A:
THEY Won Speech*
God Bless you all.. IMUA!!!
The issue on the Mauna is and always was about sovereignty. Desecration? Not even close. TMT needs 6 acres out of 11,000. Blocking the telescope and the astronomy community will not advance sovereignty by even an inch. Any somewhat intelligent person that has the ability / desire to think this through will understand this.
Tribal / Mob mentality is just so stupid. Where is it going to get you? How about NOWHERE. Hawaii wants STEM education for our keiki.TMT already paid out over $5,000,000 That's $5Million. Hawaii wants 200 plus good paying local union jobs for our families.Hawaii wants this cutting edge Telescope that is designed to find life on other planets.
What are the protesters offering to Hawaii, its workforce, its keiki. Absolutely NOTHING.
Take your damn Nuclear Telescope elsewhere son! Have we forgot about Fukushima? Use common sense!
@@alphanflking31 you are so unbelievably stupid to believe this. Brah uncle wen tell me so must be true. So stupid. Really common sense? Looks at THE FACTS idiot.
@TRUTHxCJ-- you wouldn't know the truth if it bite you in your okole. which is where your head is parked. here's some news shitferbrains. this is from a news item in yesterday's Herald Trib. State poll: 72% native Hawai'ians are pro TMT. Statewide all residents, it is 77%. take your racist comments and put them some place sacred. knuckleheads like you think learning and science is anathema to your religion. you're outnumbered. by a lot. ur just a fringe; howzit feel to be truly irrelevant?
@@keith2092 he just one moke ice head. Uneducated and ignorant, aggressive and violent.
R Smith explain how the existing telescopes are powered? Are they grid-connected or nuclear powered?
1 vehicle a day...seems resonable....but it goes to show that if its granted to us....hawaiiains get the lower end of a deal...also exposing how our race is treated within our own island place we call home.
Everyone of the videos with this guy it involves small lies.
Solidarity!
I'm pushing for the people of Hawai'i Ne!
Ku Kia’i Mauna!
So very sad. So many people losing their livelihood in this community. Observatory workers. Tour bus workers. And the construction workers who would be building the project right now.
If I were any of these workers who have been displaced by these protesters, I would sue them for every penny I had lost.
Keep filming!
Wrong. TMT is in clear violation of the American Indian Religious Freedom Act of 1978.
@@ghoulxx4663 Except the Hawaiian people have so far refused to be included in that act. They are not a recognized tribe, and no they aren't even if the Hawaiians were a federally recognized tribe.
@@DisruptarianRadio That's because the Hawaiian Kingdom (Hawaii) has never been annexed by, or ceded to the United States. That's a fact and not a debate. So yes, the US is in violation. If you find a treaty of annexation, let me know because not even your government has located it....Fact.
Disruptarian Radio it clearly says that it includes Native Hawaiians. Reread it.
@@blesdco Its at my website. And the state archive.
disruptarian.com/knowledge-base/category/treaties/
Plan B is the only option moving forward. TMT shall be built at the Canary Islands
Amen
The best spot to put a Telescope isn't on the island of Hawai'i... Neither is it on the Canary Islands.
It's in space.
James Webb space telescope will be wholly better than TMT.
Amene
taiyoctopus Exactly. I’ve been saying this to TMT supporters the whole time but they purposely ignore it because it does not comply with their agenda. TMT is being built in an era where ground based telescopes are on the decline. By the time the TMT is built (if it ever will be) it will be an old, obsolete piece of garbage in the new era of space based telescopes.
The rights of the people to the top of the mountain.....and worship......is NOT negotiable. The culture of the people....define Hawaii.......the corporations CAN NOT own the mountain...the people of America will not accept it.
72% of Native Hawaiians support the telescope project and 77% of the people of Hawaii support it and only 15% oppose it. So I guess the people want the telescope. And that's from a Star Advertiser poll, a leftist newspaper too.
@@JessicaZane4realz those numbers are made up corporate propoganda
@@JessicaZane4realz don't let facts get in the way of their feelings.
Jessica Zane Lol link the sources because that sounds like an absolute crock of shit.
Jessica Zane STAR ADVERTISOR? Are you kidding me 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
To be clear:
According to National and International law, Government's oath is to act according to the rule of law; and protection of the people's rights. Human rights violations are war crimes (in this instance for Mauna Kea); regarding the Native Tennant Rights with the people and sacred lands.
Hawaiians gotta stop playing the victim and take responsibility for their actions stop the whining 💯💯💯💯
Shaddup kkklown. You act like we wanted to be victims. Idiot comment.
Shut up you fucking fool
Ghoul xx well I guess you chose to be a clown den💯💯💯🤦♀️🤦♀️
Raymond Kailiawa I beg your pardon?
You heard me fakka
when usa occupied your country, you fought and defended america from japan. even though some native hawaians were japanesse decent. when the war was over they wouldnt allow you all to have guns too hunt. a violation of the 2nd admendment. when they marginalized yalls religion that was a violation of the 1st admendment. now they wont even deal with yalls simple request to allow one vehicle, much less multiple vehicles fr worship, is still violation of the 1st admendment. which makes it a flagrant aggregish violation . which is worse. dont give them anymore concessions. sue the local, state, and federal goverments! where is trump? you think he would have something to say. god bless yall my fellow americans, I STAND WITH YOU! ALOHA
# "YALL" ??
the hawaians, the native decendents
yall means you all. in recerance to the hawaians
@@everettanderson1000 OH OKAY....You Must Be From The Southern part of the United States Of America.
oh ya. just a arkansas good ole boy
Lol trying to convince the astronomers... I wonder why you can’t convince lol
*Astrologists.
Many astronomers detest the building of TMT on Maunakea.
Ghoul xx most those are still students that sighed the petition, not really there yet.
Finley I can’t even make out what you’re saying.
Ghoul xx most of those “astronomers” That signed the petition are just students. Not quite there yet.
by the way the right to go up the mountain being denied a violation of the 4th admendment. the right to travel and the right to take and secure your property from harm
I would have difficulty embracing the enemy
Enemy? there's hawaiians that work up there, to provide food and shelter for there family
He's worried about losing his job!
It would be amazing if all Kia'i got to the top of the mauna!
The fact that the other existing observatories and the state are unwilling to concede the littlest thing (1 truck of kia’i a day) is unreal...respect is a two-way street. KU KIA’I MAUNA!!
His idea of “compromise” is is not compromising...
protect your aina .
Alaka'i Kaho'okahi o Hui Ku Kia'i Mauna e Hana Maika'i.....KU'E!
This whole incident has really shown peoples true colors. It is clear that Hawaiians are the only one's capable of aloha, respect and sound reason. And it really makes everyone else appear out of place, like they clearly don't belong.
I foresee this fact being a paramount reason that Hawaiians, the most beautiful people in the world, will one day reclaim their rightful place as leaders of the most beautiful place on the world.
Build the scope!
Yes build it some where else
In the end the scope will get built
@@22Halfbreed you are right about that!
Idiots would agree to build this Nuclear Telescope! How dumbed down are Americans? Have you forgot about Fukushima?
AlphaNFLKING not nuclear. Do research
Strength Up brothers and sisters. Don't give up the fight!! Kia kaha! Arohanui.
KAHO'OKAHI KANUHA is really bogus. I think he is trying to get the ski concession.
Nigel Montbatten ok fake ige
WAY OFF - you really don’t get it, but that’s ok it’s not about you, Kū kiaʻi Mauna,
Please don’t have children.... we get enough stupid fakahs in the world..... Kapu Aloha....
I find it only ridiculous not to accepting your proposal to grant free Way for only one vehicle per Day. That would bring this Situation to a good end ! But it shows too thats only to show the power again against a Minority . Fight for your Rights ! ✌
Can't the state be sued for denying them Religious Freedom? To deny them access up the Mauna to pray?
what are they wanting to watch anyway???? you can only watch the firmament......
So who is getting the millions into there bank account?
Ige & his political cronies!
Nick Orozco , probably the construction companies.
Probably should have let Gemini though...
I'm for the Hawaiians, but before all this ' protecting' started I bet they was not going up there very often to worship... I been up there many times and never saw any religious practices going on, just workers..working on the dozen telescopes.
Exactly! No body had flags on their vehicles only now they like make like. Aaahhh come on now! And tbh, the only god you supposed to be worshipping is our lord and savior, JESUS CHRIST!! All these "Hawaiian gods" are make believe! Stories the old people tell us when we small. It's just like Santa claus and the Easter bunny. All make believe!! You go up the mauna, what you see? RUBISH, beer cans/bottles, etc. How you going say "protect our mauna" when the same people littering everywhere!? Not just up the mauna, but all over Hawaii! This place is disgusting! 12, 13 year old girls getting pregnant here, we rank 4th in teenage pregnancy in the nation! Now instead of saying TMT will hurt the keiki, what about the parents who aren't real parents to their own kids? Allowing them and buying teenagers alcohol and allowing them to smoke cigarettes and even vape!!! I seen a little boy maybe 14 years old, vaping and telling his friends, come over bumbai, my dad bought us crown royal. Like wow! Great way to protect the keiki! And the worst part was, this kid was hawaiian, filipino. LMFAO
@@aloha_warriors7481 sad. But I agree. There are some great Hawaiians but not enough.. I have seen ppl come here on their vacation and pick up rubbish for most of the day then swim for a hour then leave.. Kids skipping school to sell weed then offer ppl 5 bucks to buy them a 40oz beer... Also wtf is with this catch and release of meth heads? Police catch them in a stolen car with meth then release them, and repeat... I have seen the same names in the news paper for several months!!! But if a haole does the same everyone says he needs to be shipped back to mainland.. Local guy does it ' aw poor brahda needs love'... As for telescopes I say remove them all or load up the mountain... This virtue signalling is enough to gag a maggot.
@@MrBugnutz yup!
Ige passed the buck, and now it’s up to the mayor. Shame... I feel like that’s why he went up. No longer his direct problem anymore... I hope the mayor handles it better.
Shows the kind of leader he is not just a liar but a coward aswell..
KŪ KIAʻI MAUNA!!! EŌ!
Kaila Noelani 😉