Sacred and Science equals TEK (Traditional Ecological Knowledge) that can heal nations, rise up all indigenous communities, and give us all a viable future for everyone’s grandchildren. Aloha Aina and Ku K’ai Mauna.
So describe indigenous.. Because Hawaiians came here originally. Im hawaiian.. Sorry but hawaiians are Polynesian.. Get real fool.. These people are the biggest liars.. People who use elderly and kids and others as their message are disgusting.. Any trick up their slave huh.. This has nothing to do with being Hawaiian.. Culture.. Or whatever they say and everything to do with money.. These people are suing them.. Robert freitas is sueing because the county made him uphold county code for the market downtown Hilo.. Sorry but you people have no idea what you are talking about . its easy to pull the race card when the world is full of ignorant fools.. Look at these people here.. Nothing cultural here.. Not in their daily life nit in their real lives.. These people are takes amd liars..
Know the truth so you can understand the fight..Does anyone know why or what the real issues are that the Hawaiians have with construction Of the telescope on Mona Kea. Besides it’s sacred burial sites...It’s because under that mountain there is the Hugest water duct on the island. sooo huge it could provide ice cold fresh water to the whole island for hundreds of years maybe even more!! And in order for the telescopes to run they need to be cooled because of the nuclear power it runs on so they are gonna need to drill down to the water duct to send the nuclear waste into the water to cool it off then send it back up to power the telescope to keep it running. So there you have it that’s why We are fighting to protect mauna kea ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽 Educate yourself befor some of y’all point your finger and call the natives the bad guys cause really we ain’t...
If you give Hawaiian lands to Hawaiian hands then what. How are the lands dispersed? Who gets the land? 100% Hawaiian blood or any percentage of Hawaiian blood? What then Hawaii become a sovereign nation? If they become a sovereign nation does that mean federal funds stop coming into Hawaii. You cannot be sovereign and get US government funding unless you identify as Native American. If that occurs then you can't consider Hawaii sovereign. It is a complex system and you will have many people coming out of the wood works to claim lands. Greed of Hawaiians will come through as Hawaiians are human.
Gordon and Betty Moore, what is a bigger legacy? Discovering another fact about the universe or setting an example for how humans can peacefully resolve differences in love?
In the end, all land is sacred. Although the active protecting of Mauna Kea and its sacredness of the physical mountain is real, it is but one such example of what is at stake to both natural resources and the indigenous peoples of those lands. This is also about so much more than physical land and the TMT (thirty meter telescope). This is the result of 125(+) years of trauma experienced at the hands of corporate and government agents cooperating to disenfranchise the indigenous people of their birthright as kanaka maoli. The right to rule themselves, Sovereignty. TMT has become the catalyst for the present day kanaka to rise as a lahui and Stand firmly in their resolve for these generational injustices and finally have them recognized and addressed. Unfortunate, yet fittingly the final straw is at the uppermost reaches of the land....The piko. The connection to/for past, present, and future. KU KIA’I MAUNA E olā!
what i don't understand is if the scientists want to build this new telescope, why can't they remove some of the old telescopes that were built in the 1920's and 30's and build their new telescope on that already spoiled land?
Dude it's a state now and it's been a state for a while heck it's on the flag there's no way in hell that America's just decided to kick a state out but thank you for your concern
I feel sad that the people who want to develope this telescope is not even from Hawaii - and we the State of Hawaii is gonna help support that - Auwe no Ho'i - Not Good. I don't come to your house and build what I want in your house. So sorry not respectful.
People that don’t understand the deeper meaning in this just sound ignorant. Also this is on the big island so why is the lady in the comments talking about Waianae? That’s on another island which just goes to show how much you know on the situation. The west side only started to become dirty thanks to the “amazing” tourists that come to Hawai’i and just leave trash around like it’s the mainland. True not all Hawaiians care but most of us do. Not every one of us wants to be a sovereign nation, that hope will always be nothing but a distant dream in our people’s eyes. But what we want to do is try to preserve what little of our culture that we have left for our future generations. Every place has a landmark so why is it hard to understand what these women and every other person are up there fighting for.
In the end, all land is sacred. Although the active protecting of Mauna Kea and its sacredness of the physical mountain is real, it is but one such example of what is at stake to both natural resources and the indigenous peoples of those lands. This is also about so much more than physical land and the TMT (thirty meter telescope). This is the result of 125(+) years of trauma experienced at the hands of corporate and government agents cooperating to disenfranchise the indigenous people of their birthright as kanaka maoli. The right to rule themselves, Sovereignty. TMT has become the catalyst for the present day kanaka to rise as a lahui and Stand firmly in their resolve for these generational injustices and finally have them recognized and addressed. Unfortunate, yet fittingly the final straw is at the uppermost reaches of the land....The piko. The connection to/for past, present, and future. KU KIA’I MAUNA E olā!
All Hail the Lord Thy God, The God of Israel, Your Salvation is in the Hands of the Lord Thy God. All Glory to The Lord Thy God, The One Living God, The God of Israel. Who is merciful and loving.
That was actually proposed at one point but the protesters are against anything new. The group basically want to claim ownership over the rest of the community.
According to the Word of God The Bible are God’s Laws The Bible are Love Letters Deuteronomy Chapter 8 verse 3 From the Old Testament “Man shall not live by bread alone, but man lives by every word that proceeds from the mouth of the Lord” Also in the New Testament From the Gospel of Matthew Chapter 4 Verse 4 This is when Satan tempted Jesus The tempter came to HIM, and said, “if You are the Son of God, command these stones become bread. But HE answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of the Lord” Over years from when Beloved Queen Liliuokalani was overthrown say “Aina” it’s because you all need to stop worshipping the wooden or lava or carved .
Sacredness does not reside in places or objects. Sacredness has only ever resided in the possibility of a quantum leap in the functioning of the nervous and limbic systems of man. This is reflected in such phrases as "The enlightened see the Buddha in a piece of dung." Human progress and the scientific advancement of humanity has been the hostage of ignorance and superstition for far too long. I am sure that many of the protestors feel to the depths of their hearts that there is something sacred about this mountain in particular. This is a delusion. If they were really concerned with the "sacred" they would only be concerned with the possibility of bringing about the evolution of their own conscious awareness. This confrontation has nothing to do with the sacred. It is really just a pissing contest. The difference between this and most other protests is that this is based on lies and delusions, no matter how traditional the lies have become. The sooner humanity rids itself of all the flying spaghetti monsters, the better. If you cannot feel the sacred equally whereever you are, you are just an unenlightened imbecile who has never really pursued the matter to any significant depth.
@@kaiili6972 seriously go to a real protest where there's riot gear and tear gas.. Hasn't ever happened here.. To say anyone was "manhandled" here is a pathetic lie..
@@kaiili6972 the government has been so patient that protesting holds its own meaning here. Since the 60's and where's the proof of anyone being manhandled..? You ain't going to find it.. People pander to Hawaiian sensitivities so hard core.. Its like they've surrounded themselves with white guilt for so long they feel empowered by it.. I dare you to look up the jail roster and prove these people were actually arrested.. I bet you they weren't..
The violence isn’t only seen in the arrests. It’s the continuous violation of indigenous people and the land they protect. We should respect their requests and figure something out. They are more connected with the land than anyone, so why are we ignoring them? Also, shout out to the person rocking the Ferguson+ shirt. I stand with my indigenous brothers and sisters. Prayers going up.
@@keanucostanios8178 is that the best you got hey I'm for the women I'm just trying to say if you want to get something done you got to take this to the courts all you guys are doing is drama queen eagle vanity Fair CZcams take It to the freaking supreme Court
Bkat 2d11 you do realize how long the process takes for it to get to the Supreme Court right? What they’re trying to do is get the publicity out there so the world knows what’s going on. It’s more efficient to gain publicity than to wait for courts to take their sweet ass time to make decisions. The quicker the world knows, the easier it will be to get to the courts like you’re suggesting.
@@kauhaneadams1524 JESUS CHRIST- YESHUA HAMASHIACH IS RETURNING SOON..IN POWER, GLORY, & JUDGEMENT. # EVERY "Pagan" KNEE WILL BOW, & EVERY "Pagan" TONGUE WILL CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD. * TRUTH IS ABSOLUTE; You Are Free To SUPPRESS IT, ...But WHEN JESUS CHRIST RETURNS TO THE EARTH THAT HE CREATED, IT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE TO CONTINUE SUPPRESSING TRUTH; & IT WILL BE TRAGIC FOR THOSE IN REBELLION AGAINST GOD.
We are protecting a PLACE of worship just how Jesus did in Mathew 21. If mountains weren’t sacred why would mount tabor, hermon, sinai, nebo, carmel, and mt. Ararat where Noah’s ark landed and that’s where Noah saw the rainbow symbolizing Gods promise, nē in the Bible. They bridge the gap between God and kanaka and help give clarity and direction for us kanaka. He gives us a “mountain top” experience so we can come back down and be refreshed, encouraged and inspired to keep doing his will. I am in fact a lover of Jesus Christ and I am Hawaiian. If you took the time to understand you would know that we are not worshipping Mauna Kea. We as Hawaiians are not ignorant. We are protecting our ʻĀina our land. This “protest” goes deeper. We are standing for all indigenous people. Protecting what I’O has created. What was the first thing Jesus did when he came to earth? HE LEARNED THE CULTURE! He didn’t start his ministry till he was 30. His heart is for all people and it is through aloha that he did it. Kū Kia’i mauna. A mau loa aku. Aloha ka IʻO mākua ole a mau loa aku. Aloha Linda may God bless you.
Linda if you go to church would you stand and let your church be destroyed if you used it for worship? The mountain is more than a mountain, it is and has been a place of worship for generations. It serves as a resting place for ancestors who have passed.
@@joshDC808 I Study the Bible, but I haven't seen scriptures saying that the land was 'Sacred'. I will Study further on this. I Do Understand The Principle of Showing kindness & Respect for people & cultures. Because we Live in a Fallen/Sinful World; We See So many Examples of Hatred, Disrespect, Cruelty, & Greed. This is SIN; & Those Who DO those things Must REPENT. OUR SOVEREIGN GOD is The CREATOR Of Everything In Heaven & ON Earth. GOD made US Stewards of the Earth, & It Is Our Responsibility To Protect & Manage Our RESOURCES. JESUS CHRIST-YESHUA HAMASHIACH IS RETURNING Soon, In Power, Glory, & Judgement. *It's TIME To Prepare To Meet Our CREATOR GOD, So That We Will Receive Eternal Life, IN GOD'S KINGDOM.
Sacred and Science equals TEK (Traditional Ecological Knowledge) that can heal nations, rise up all indigenous communities, and give us all a viable future for everyone’s grandchildren. Aloha Aina and Ku K’ai Mauna.
Such a victim
So describe indigenous.. Because Hawaiians came here originally. Im hawaiian.. Sorry but hawaiians are Polynesian.. Get real fool.. These people are the biggest liars.. People who use elderly and kids and others as their message are disgusting.. Any trick up their slave huh.. This has nothing to do with being Hawaiian.. Culture.. Or whatever they say and everything to do with money.. These people are suing them.. Robert freitas is sueing because the county made him uphold county code for the market downtown Hilo.. Sorry but you people have no idea what you are talking about . its easy to pull the race card when the world is full of ignorant fools.. Look at these people here.. Nothing cultural here.. Not in their daily life nit in their real lives.. These people are takes amd liars..
Look at all that culture.
Nothing but haters
What a list of people to hate. People who donated money and support tmt.. These people here dont even know what aloha is..
"Wake Up,Stand Up,Stand Up for What is Right...Not for Money...KIAI...GOD BLESS...
My prayers are with you. Mahalo for the fight you put forth. Much respect and Aloha for Maunakea and Kaduna ❤🤙🏽😥
Know the truth so you can understand the fight..Does anyone know why or what the real issues are that the Hawaiians have with construction Of the telescope on Mona Kea. Besides it’s sacred burial sites...It’s because under that mountain there is the Hugest water duct on the island. sooo huge it could provide ice cold fresh water to the whole island for hundreds of years maybe even more!! And in order for the telescopes to run they need to be cooled because of the nuclear power it runs on so they are gonna need to drill down to the water duct to send the nuclear waste into the water to cool it off then send it back up to power the telescope to keep it running. So there you have it that’s why We are fighting to protect mauna kea ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽 Educate yourself befor some of y’all point your finger and call the natives the bad guys cause really we ain’t...
Where are these "facts" from? All the research i have done show no use of nuclear anything.
Where are your facts from I’ve got mines and you’ve got yours?
Give Hawaiian lands to Hawaiian hands simple cousin
If you give Hawaiian lands to Hawaiian hands then what. How are the lands dispersed? Who gets the land? 100% Hawaiian blood or any percentage of Hawaiian blood? What then Hawaii become a sovereign nation? If they become a sovereign nation does that mean federal funds stop coming into Hawaii. You cannot be sovereign and get US government funding unless you identify as Native American. If that occurs then you can't consider Hawaii sovereign. It is a complex system and you will have many people coming out of the wood works to claim lands. Greed of Hawaiians will come through as Hawaiians are human.
Gordon and Betty Moore, what is a bigger legacy? Discovering another fact about the universe or setting an example for how humans can peacefully resolve differences in love?
In the end, all land is sacred.
Although the active protecting of Mauna Kea and its sacredness of the physical mountain is real, it is but one such example of what is at stake to both natural resources and the indigenous peoples of those lands. This is also about so much more than physical land and the TMT (thirty meter telescope).
This is the result of 125(+) years of trauma experienced at the hands of corporate and government agents cooperating to disenfranchise the indigenous people of their birthright as kanaka maoli.
The right to rule themselves, Sovereignty.
TMT has become the catalyst for the present day kanaka to rise as a lahui and
Stand firmly in their resolve for these generational injustices and finally have them recognized and addressed.
Unfortunate, yet fittingly the final straw is at the uppermost reaches of the land....The piko. The connection to/for past, present, and future.
KU KIA’I MAUNA
E olā!
U'I KANAKA O HUI ALOHA AINA, KE AKUA I NĀ MEA.......auwe cut out aunty vicky....but why?
GOD IS OUR PAPA AND HE WILL NOT TOLERATE PEOPLE (Gentiles) worshipping idols!
I think I'm sort of getting why this is happening.
what i don't understand is if the scientists want to build this new telescope, why can't they remove some of the old telescopes that were built in the 1920's and 30's and build their new telescope on that already spoiled land?
You haters have no clue. .....Keep going Moku Nui!
The Japanese politics is what has us here right now! Look at Oahu!!
Called all their names out!!!!!
America need to end its 126 year illegal occupation of Hawai`i.
# JESUS CHRIST IS RETURNING SOON; TO THE EARTH THAT HE CREATED, & BELONGS TO HIM. *We Are Stewards; BUT WE DO NOT OWN IT.
Dude it's a state now and it's been a state for a while heck it's on the flag there's no way in hell that America's just decided to kick a state out but thank you for your concern
Sorry, I live here and I'm not leaving just because I'm American.
@@garyk2629 hope you're a good swimmer.
# THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN; LIKE IT OR NOT.
I feel sad that the people who want to develope this telescope is not even from Hawaii - and we the State of Hawaii is gonna help support that - Auwe no Ho'i - Not Good. I don't come to your house and build what I want in your house. So sorry not respectful.
Strong message to Japanese people....Aloha
Let my people go!!!
If not blessed by the Kahuna its my understanding the project will be doomed. There are more earth quakes occurring in the area...an omen?
It's the nuclear issue. That's what they should major on.
People that don’t understand the deeper meaning in this just sound ignorant. Also this is on the big island so why is the lady in the comments talking about Waianae? That’s on another island which just goes to show how much you know on the situation. The west side only started to become dirty thanks to the “amazing” tourists that come to Hawai’i and just leave trash around like it’s the mainland. True not all Hawaiians care but most of us do. Not every one of us wants to be a sovereign nation, that hope will always be nothing but a distant dream in our people’s eyes. But what we want to do is try to preserve what little of our culture that we have left for our future generations. Every place has a landmark so why is it hard to understand what these women and every other person are up there fighting for.
Big island is so beautiful and natural because people fought to keep it that way and not become another Oahu
So is the Walmart, Target, Safeway on sacred land?
Yes but no one cares.. They just shop there because its their custom and culture.. Look at all that non stop culture.
In the end, all land is sacred.
Although the active protecting of Mauna Kea and its sacredness of the physical mountain is real, it is but one such example of what is at stake to both natural resources and the indigenous peoples of those lands. This is also about so much more than physical land and the TMT (thirty meter telescope).
This is the result of 125(+) years of trauma experienced at the hands of corporate and government agents cooperating to disenfranchise the indigenous people of their birthright as kanaka maoli.
The right to rule themselves, Sovereignty.
TMT has become the catalyst for the present day kanaka to rise as a lahui and
Stand firmly in their resolve for these generational injustices and finally have them recognized and addressed.
Unfortunate, yet fittingly the final straw is at the uppermost reaches of the land....The piko. The connection to/for past, present, and future.
KU KIA’I MAUNA
E olā!
The H3 was supposed to be on Sacred land.. why not protest that too?
And volcano house, KMC... and half the homes in hawaii.
it a sad day here in Hawaii ! no rockets/tmt
ALOHA AINA
All Hail the Lord Thy God, The God of Israel, Your Salvation is in the Hands of the Lord Thy God.
All Glory to The Lord Thy God, The One Living God, The God of Israel. Who is merciful and loving.
Easy solution. Negotiate removal of all other telescopes and they can have one 30 meter tmt on the sites where old ones were.
That was actually proposed at one point but the protesters are against anything new. The group basically want to claim ownership over the rest of the community.
A list of Obama’s buddies
According to the Word of God
The Bible are God’s Laws
The Bible are Love Letters
Deuteronomy Chapter 8 verse 3
From the Old Testament
“Man shall not live by bread alone, but man lives by every word that proceeds from the mouth of the Lord”
Also in the New Testament
From the Gospel of Matthew Chapter 4 Verse 4
This is when Satan tempted Jesus
The tempter came to HIM, and said, “if You are the Son of God, command these stones become bread.
But HE answered and said,
“It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of the Lord”
Over years from when Beloved Queen Liliuokalani was overthrown say “Aina” it’s because you all need to stop worshipping the wooden or lava or carved .
Alyce Hawai’i GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD how about u pick up the Bible read about the land of the Jews what god thinks of nature. Ignorance is bliss.
Sacredness does not reside in places or objects.
Sacredness has only ever resided in the possibility of a quantum leap in the functioning of the nervous and limbic systems of man.
This is reflected in such phrases as "The enlightened see the Buddha in a piece of dung."
Human progress and the scientific advancement of humanity has been the hostage of ignorance and superstition for far too long.
I am sure that many of the protestors feel to the depths of their hearts that there is something sacred about this mountain in particular. This is a delusion. If they were really concerned with the "sacred" they would only be concerned with the possibility of bringing about the evolution of their own conscious awareness.
This confrontation has nothing to do with the sacred. It is really just a pissing contest. The difference between this and most other protests is that this is based on lies and delusions, no matter how traditional the lies have become.
The sooner humanity rids itself of all the flying spaghetti monsters, the better. If you cannot feel the sacred equally whereever you are, you are just an unenlightened imbecile who has never really pursued the matter to any significant depth.
Hands of violence.?
morgasm26 yes those getting arrested and “manhandled” for protesting.. get educated
@@kaiili6972 seriously go to a real protest where there's riot gear and tear gas.. Hasn't ever happened here.. To say anyone was "manhandled" here is a pathetic lie..
@@kaiili6972 the government has been so patient that protesting holds its own meaning here. Since the 60's and where's the proof of anyone being manhandled..? You ain't going to find it.. People pander to Hawaiian sensitivities so hard core.. Its like they've surrounded themselves with white guilt for so long they feel empowered by it.. I dare you to look up the jail roster and prove these people were actually arrested.. I bet you they weren't..
@@morgasm26 real protest?
The violence isn’t only seen in the arrests. It’s the continuous violation of indigenous people and the land they protect. We should respect their requests and figure something out. They are more connected with the land than anyone, so why are we ignoring them?
Also, shout out to the person rocking the Ferguson+ shirt. I stand with my indigenous brothers and sisters. Prayers going up.
Laugh my a** off what are you women gonna do?
Bkat 2d11 well they’re obviously doing more than you
@@keanucostanios8178 is that the best you got
hey I'm for the women I'm just trying to say if you want to get something done you got to take this to the courts all you guys are doing is drama queen eagle vanity Fair CZcams take It to the freaking supreme Court
Bkat 2d11 you do realize how long the process takes for it to get to the Supreme Court right? What they’re trying to do is get the publicity out there so the world knows what’s going on. It’s more efficient to gain publicity than to wait for courts to take their sweet ass time to make decisions. The quicker the world knows, the easier it will be to get to the courts like you’re suggesting.
Exactly!!!
So all the full blooded hawaiians dont really care about this yeah? Cause Ive seen them around but i only see white or asian looking faces here.
Lots of Hawaiians don't agree with them but just like mainland, you get called uncle Tom if you decent.
Pluss, not many full blooded Hawaiians left.
I wonder how many of you “PROTECTORS” when vote in the last election 💯💯💯💯just wondering!
"No madda... I sovrnt anywai"
Personally, when I vote in pahoa I see mostly mainland transplants.
Shane Na are you high? Pahoa always been a hippie town
# Worship THE CREATOR; NOT HIS CREATION. Mountains Are Beautiful, But They ARE NOT SACRED! *THAT IS BLASPHEMY & IDOLATRY!
Linda Nicholason.... sorry I’m a pagan.... aloha
@@kauhaneadams1524 JESUS CHRIST- YESHUA HAMASHIACH IS RETURNING SOON..IN POWER, GLORY, & JUDGEMENT. # EVERY "Pagan" KNEE WILL BOW, & EVERY "Pagan" TONGUE WILL CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD. * TRUTH IS ABSOLUTE; You Are Free To SUPPRESS IT, ...But WHEN JESUS CHRIST RETURNS TO THE EARTH THAT HE CREATED, IT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE TO CONTINUE SUPPRESSING TRUTH; & IT WILL BE TRAGIC FOR THOSE IN REBELLION AGAINST GOD.
We are protecting a PLACE of worship just how Jesus did in Mathew 21. If mountains weren’t sacred why would mount tabor, hermon, sinai, nebo, carmel, and mt. Ararat where Noah’s ark landed and that’s where Noah saw the rainbow symbolizing Gods promise, nē in the Bible. They bridge the gap between God and kanaka and help give clarity and direction for us kanaka. He gives us a “mountain top” experience so we can come back down and be refreshed, encouraged and inspired to keep doing his will.
I am in fact a lover of Jesus Christ and I am Hawaiian.
If you took the time to understand you would know that we are not worshipping Mauna Kea. We as Hawaiians are not ignorant. We are protecting our ʻĀina our land. This “protest” goes deeper. We are standing for all indigenous people. Protecting what I’O has created.
What was the first thing Jesus did when he came to earth? HE LEARNED THE CULTURE! He didn’t start his ministry till he was 30. His heart is for all people and it is through aloha that he did it. Kū Kia’i mauna. A mau loa aku. Aloha ka IʻO mākua ole a mau loa aku. Aloha Linda may God bless you.
Linda if you go to church would you stand and let your church be destroyed if you used it for worship? The mountain is more than a mountain, it is and has been a place of worship for generations. It serves as a resting place for ancestors who have passed.
@@joshDC808 I Study the Bible, but I haven't seen scriptures saying that the land was 'Sacred'. I will Study further on this. I Do Understand The Principle of Showing kindness & Respect for people & cultures. Because we Live in a Fallen/Sinful World; We See So many Examples of Hatred, Disrespect, Cruelty, & Greed. This is SIN; & Those Who DO those things Must REPENT. OUR SOVEREIGN GOD is The CREATOR Of Everything In Heaven & ON Earth. GOD made US Stewards of the Earth, & It Is Our Responsibility To Protect & Manage Our RESOURCES. JESUS CHRIST-YESHUA HAMASHIACH IS RETURNING Soon, In Power, Glory, & Judgement. *It's TIME To Prepare To Meet Our CREATOR GOD, So That We Will Receive Eternal Life, IN GOD'S KINGDOM.
Just bringing helicopters carrying trucks and equipment above them.
"we want science to evolve"....technically youre trying to stop that
Rob M they said they want science to evolve. IM SAYING “well you guys are kind of stopping that.”
Rob M this will be the most powerful telescope ever.
Scientists always have to destroy animals and nature in the name of evolving ha