Rumbling of Rebellion | A Book Review of 'Breach of Peace' by Daniel Greene
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I dislike... how CZcams killed the ratio.
Side note: What do you use to have that text on screen when reading a passage? I'm working on an Empress Theresa video and want to do the same thing, but I can't seem to find a PDF of that horrid book.
@@PapaVangeris96 Probaly for the best.
Hey krimsonrogue will you ever re-upload the fullmetal alchemist review?
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Fun fact, all the stats you came up with are pretty spot on. Also thank you so much for the deep dive! It means a lot. I’m a big fan!
I'm not the type to buy new books a lot, but I have always like your content and this review really convinced me to get the book. Is there any way I can get it in the country I live in (South Africa)?
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I like you.
Thanks! I'm honored, lol.
Last time an author responded to one of my reviews, Norman Boutin called me a troll. This is a much better reception.
@@KrimsonRogue
The Virgin Norman Boutain vs the Chad Daniel Greene.
"Do not underestimate the size of my library." Oh, no. I don't think I can imagine just how many books you must have, considering you made a _throne_ out of them.
I stopped counting after the first 2000 books.
@@KrimsonRogue that’s my life goal
At this point Krim should make a game where he challenges people to name a book he *doesn't* have
(obviously just within sci-fi/fantasy and fiction, because naming stuff like cookbooks is just cheating)
@@KrimsonRogue Where can we send contributions to the throne? :D
"I found the crown of literature in the gutter," he said.
"And I picked it up."
It is so nice to hear Krimson not have a mental breakdown over a book - I'm so happy for you man, you didn't suffer this time!
"I don't want to start drama, we're both too old for that."
Krimson, this is the internet. A veritable fountain of youth where no one grows up xD
That is far and away the most accurate description of the internet on youtube🤣
Way too accurate!
yeah you have a point there
We age physically but not mentally.
"The building was on fire and it was not my fault." is my favorite book opening line. It's pretty much Dresden files in a nutshell.
Seriously, opening lines are spectacular.
It's crazy how much you can get from one line. My current favorite is "Let's see if we can find any unbroken bones to sell."
@@TheZigzagman “It was a pleasure to burn.”
-Fahrenheit 451
@@TravisBroski
"Let's start with the end of the world, why don't we? Get it over with and move on to more interesting things."
- _The Fifth Season_
@@TheZigzagman *insert the entire first paragraph from Catcher in the Rye*
Sorry folks, for some reason youtube screwed up with the HD version of the video. It was supposed to be 1080p, but I guess two days isn't long enough to process an HD version. Hopefully this will solve itself in a short while.
The sheer power of your video broke the backend video algorithm's ability to process the HD version. No need to apologise.
Oh, okay. I was worrying for a little while, since my internet connection tends to be all over the place regarding signal quality.
Seems to have a 1080p setting now.
I watch CZcams on my phone more often than not anyway
Your hair is much longer and softer than mine. My hair is so thick that it feels as if I am brushing a horse's mane.
My art teacher told me once "There is a difference between 'learning how' and just 'learning.' When you read books on theory, you start learning how to paint, but only by taking a brush and painting on the canvas, you will learn to paint the same way you learn to walk."
So, practice makes perfect. Theory can help so much, but it's not everything, and perfectionism is the death of confidence.
I write fiction too, and I thought that I could write an epic fantasy series just by reading K. M. Weiland's books, "Self-editing for fiction writing" and "The anatomy of story." They are very good resources, but I took on a project that far surpassed my actual capabilities and got frustrated. I was wrong, and I admit it. I now write short stories focused on one thing at a time. My epic novel series will have to wait until I have learned to write.
Anyways, it's my observation.
I can tell Daniel Greene is passionate about writing. But on a sentence by sentence, word by word level, this book was really really rough. The prose and world building more or less fall into the same banalities a lot of contemporary fantasy falls into but in a more amateurish way.
It has a very "fan-fiction forum" feel to it. It comes from the right place and the idea is there, but the execution lacks the proper methodology.
Yeah, it does unfortunately fall flat and I feel like there’s not too much here.
Did he self edit or did he hire an editor?
@@tonyplays8083 Given that this video was originally planned to shine on independents, I’m gonna assume he self-edited.
@@TravisBroski I’m really sad about thinking self-pubbing and indie means not hiring pros. I hire both a developmental and copyeditor. Which I’m fortunate to be able to afford, I recognize that.
I respect Daniel as a person greatly because his videos are incredibly humorous and his book recommendations have introduced me to some of my favorite series. And my respect for him grows a little more because he is actually open to criticism. Unlike some authors that you’ve reviewed in the past.
Norman Boutin? :P
Teresaaaaaaaaa is a gooooooooood girrrrrrlllll😂
@@agni760 A good catholic girl!
@@agni760 She doesn't talk to reporters
I thought the book felt like an prologue more than a novella. Not a bad prologue, mind you, but it felt incomplete. Still haven't read my copy of Rebel's Creed yet, so I'll see if it pays off. Also, so cool to see a trailer for my Blackcoats books in your video!
Just listening to this video gave me the same impression. It felt like a long, but good prologue.
Krimson, just wanna say, thanks for the extra long videos, they’re awesome to listen to while drawing :3
Glad to help! :D
Nice I do the same thing, they're great for multitasking, since you don't have to look at the video most of the time you can just listen to it like a podcast.
I second that motion! Nothing quite like listening to a man spiraling into literary insanity to help hyperfixate on art :)
Funnily enough, I love listening to his vids while I write my books lol
Yes! Perfect for drawing
"Does being a booktuber guarantee being able to write a book of your own?"
I'm 2 minutes in and the amount of tabs makes me pretty confident on the answer
There's so many people out there who are critics of various media, but can't DO the thing they critique. Movies especially.
@@ArawnNox It’s significantly earlier to pick apart the works of others than to write well. I write books, but rather than just critique the work of others, will critique the work of others and then go through my own work looking for those same things I picked out in their work. I’ve encountered many booktubers who clearly don’t apply to their work the this they give others. The don’t look at their own work critically and are very obviously relying o a sycophantic fan base to get some sales.
I think the reason why he went for a novella is because he wanted to make short and sweet. Let's admit. Some novels do drag on and on until it's over
I swear, in a fantasy world I'd be that one character that spends all his time reading and collecting tomes and sending adventurers to collect more for me. Then when they begin to realize what I'm doing...the town is destroyed and I'm flying
And you would probably be a sage and an archmage from all that reading.
@@everlastingdragon4520 feel like playing Divinity 2 now lol
Username checks out.
Daniel admitted, his book needed more editing. Anyway, I'm happy for him that he got his work out. And that he got Book Jesus to review it.
It's nice hearing Krimson with this joyful voice and high paced energy
"The Company of Death" by Elisa Hansen (aka Maven of the Eventide) is actually a really good read, as long as we're talking about books by youtubers. A zombie, an android, a vampire, the literal Grim Reaper and some guy all go on a road trip across zombie-infested USA to get Death his powers back. Admittedly though it's the first book in the series so it's a lot of set-up, but still really good.
Hmm could be, and of course its vampirish.
Somehow this reciew has given me inspiration to start writing my book again.
Good luck!
You can do it!
This novella had potential but feels like a first draft. It needed an extra rewrite or two to flesh it out and tighten the writing.
Yes. I went into it thinking, "All right, I'm on board with these characters and this scenario".
And then later on stuff started popping up out of nowhere that wasn't previously established, and it felt like an early draft. I think he has a lot of potential, this just needed more work done on it.
Even when they got to the prostitutes, I was all in for the people in this brothel to become the defenders of the city or something, but then everyone just dies.
I think he has the potential to write something really good in the future.
Babe wake up KrimsonRogue uploaded another book review
Off topic slightly, but I’m an officer, and I have prosopagnosia. It makes my job extremely difficult, especially for bolos, as I have an even harder time identifying people from photos and translating that into a 3-d image. And it’s rough because I can’t identify someone from one interaction to another unless there is an extremely distinct characteristic. Like a facial tattoo. Or that they wear the same thing every day. I know it gets on my co-workers nerves…needing help identifying people all the time… but I try to make up for it in other ways-like my intensely good sense of smell.
Anyway: just happy you brought attention to “face blindness” and the struggles that people like me have to face… even just in passing. ☺️
"My oh my, someone had some fun last night."
"What?"
"I can smell the lube. Watermelon flavoured too."
"Okay, stop that. I'll happily help you with identifying people, but stop that. Please."
Amazon can send him to interview the stars of they show they made in London, but can't give us more than 3 days off a quarter without worrying about loosing our job.
The way I see it, being critiqued by you is a huge honor. The sheer amount of time you devote to divulging in a book, going into both what you like and dont like and even WHY, plus offering totally actionable feedback...at times you give far more insight than professional editors. Someone spending that much time on books that arent always NY Times Bestsellers when they could literally be doing anything else is imo a big service to indie writers just starting out like myself. I take lots of notes when watching your vids and already used several of your pointers in my novel. So thanks x100 KR!
I don't even remember how many years I've been watching your videos (must be at least 6 years by now) but they're always a joy to watch. You're doing great :)
Awesome! Thanks for sticking around as long as you have! :D
I honestly think this ought to become a more common thing with mixing in a good book with the bad ones. Contrast examples of stuff done poorly with when it works.
" I'm sure this video was a very short one"
Length--1:04:34. I tease because I love it though
That's about 1 Crimson unit of time, it's average size
@@ZelphTheWebmancer lol petition to rename 1 hour to 1 KrimsonRouge video XD
That would work well with Modelland, since they used color to tell time.
Hey Rogue we disagree on quite a lot but im consistently impressed with your longform analysis videos. Helps you stand out for sure and I prefer this format for podcast like listening while getting a good chuckle when i glance at the screen and either see a cat or a terrible passage. Keep it up dude
Lol, thanks! And I've got a lot more planned for the rest of the year, so hopefully I can keep this going for a long while.
And thanks for watching, despite the disagreements. :D
@@KrimsonRogue will stay tuned 👀
I'm so happy you're getting into the Wheel of Time! Just to let you know, depending on where you order the books, the dialogue changes from time to time. Though they are expensive, I recommend the classical paperback versions. Those are Robert Jordan's complete originals. Just some advice :)
Just finished the third audiobook.
Jordan has put more life and attention into his worldbuilding and cultures than almost any other author I can name. The land is vibrant and lush, and the intro to the Two Rivers in the first book makes Emond's Field feel more lived in than my own home town.
But god damn is Jordan a wordy motherfucker.
@@KrimsonRogue yep that’s WoT in a nutshell. I spent about 2 years burning through all the audio books (plus the prequel) and even though I really enjoyed the series, especially the first 5 and last 4 books, I was really slowing down towards the end. I’m really happy I finished this series, but it’s an investment. I’m not sure I can do it again, even if I didn’t have a huge backlog full of Sanderson, Pratchett, Weir, and Le Guin.
@@KrimsonRogue I tried, I really tried to get into WoT when it first came out but the wordiness of it turned me off. Tbf, at the time I didn't have the attention span to finish it
i would die for anyone who puts psych references in their videos. also, it’s lovely to see two youtubers actually having a considerate interaction. i’ve followed both of you for a long time, and i have to say i have so much respect for daniel’s ability to accept fair criticism without being a pushover. it’s something i look up to a lot
I was trying to get this read before the video dropped, but then I got sick and couldn't finish. I still plan on finishing.
As someone who enjoys police procedure shows and books, the beginning infuriated me because of how much crime scene contamination is going on by the three inspectors. Based on what you said, though, I see that it's intentional rather than ignorance on Greene's part. A little nugget of world building that within our own world context makes no sense. I like that.
The emphasis thing is actually something Murphy Napier has talked about in at least 1 video. "Hand-holding."
The story itself shows promise, and I hope he hones his craft and keeps writing. So many people focus on macro aspects of a story--the plot and characters etc etc--that they miss the smaller micro things like prose, dialogue, and even formatting. Those are things that come with simply writing more and learning from mistakes. I genuinely hope anyone who is trying to make it as a writer doesn't give up because of minor problems like Greene's novella had. And to be honest, I've written several novellas and he easily could have put more detail into it. Breach of Peace was a VERY short novella. Someone said it feels more like a prologue and I have to agree.
"North pole is exploding, and it's not my fault."
-Empress Theresa
I have covid and watching you tear into books always makes me smile
Thanks, and I hope you're feeling better!
I've watched you for a while, but inserting a Red vs. Blue scene has truly elevated your work.
I think you were spot on about there being more plot than book. I think that Greene was too quick to get to his conspiracy in this book.
If he wanted to write a series of novels they probably should should have been a standard cases that introduced the world and characters. I like the ideas behind the story and the world feels different from a standard medieval swords and sorcery type story. I do see the influence of something like Mistborn on the world.
I hope that with Rebels Creed being a full length novel we get a smoother pacing/ story progression.
everytime you post a video i’m so thankful 🙏🏻 i was just looking for something to watch over dinner, perfect timing
This is the opposite of a book that overstays it's welcome. The more you show of it, the more it feels like it needed to be stretched out into at least a small novel to properly explore its own ideas.
Loving that you are showing us an example of a good book. It gives us a good look as to what to look for and go for.
That's a beautiful collection of Monster. Truly a deep cutting story and with all the plots and side plots and plots within plots and the guy manages to tie them all up in such amazing ways.
god i love these videos a lot, always cool to have one of these reviews on in the background!!
Nothing better than a KrimsonRogue review during cooking. Especially about the book from my second favorite booktuber
Honestly what a great way to start my work day. Thank you for your hard work, I needed this
You're very welcome. Hope your day goes well!
Every time you update, I smile 😊
Thanks for the content. I listen to it while working and it's somehow soothing. I've watched Empress Theresa ones more than a dozen times.
Thank god it's not just me 😅😂
The mortifying ordeal of needing to decide whether to get the instant gratification of watching this video now or waiting so I can listen to it while at work. Either way I’m excited as usual
i love your videos, i like the long format, because im an artist and spend all day drawing and cant watch videos, and your videos along some adam duffs are great to listen to, keep it up
Always happy to see you again! Good long form content when I grind in video games!
Can't wait to watch this in a fresh, crispy 360p!
I'm very new to your channel and I love your content. Hopefully, you'll do more long form reviews and commentary. I find your comments, especially in regard to writing helpful and insightful
Thank you, and welcome to the channel. Long-form videos are my main focus now, and while I will branch out with formulas now and then, I hope they're just as entertaining as this.
So glad to see you again, Krimson
Oh boy! Can't wait.
I was so excited to see you post, thanks for the wonderful content! This is so much more interesting and meaningful than the (admittedly entertaining) rage videos
Been waiting for this!
God bless you for these long videos
I listened to this entire novella on my drive back home. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't enthralled the whole way through, or as enthralled as a person can be while speeding down the highway at 70 MPH.
Ahh, I met William Galaini YEARS ago when he was writing (or maybe just after he finished) Woe. So awesome to see him on your list! 👏🏽👏🏽
I actually listen to these reviews from Krimson while writing the second draft of the first novel in my series. I always look forward to seeing these videos. 😄
You are listening to spoken word while writing a book.
I don't think this is a method for achieving good results but all the best.
Good luck! Writing the first novel in a series is freakin tough. I went though well over a dozen drafts for the first Blackcoats book. Don't know how Brandon Sanderson manages to get away with like, three or four drafts and the books are amazing 🤷
@@RushedAnimation You have no idea how relieving it is to see someone else put such copious amounts of effort into writing their stories. Glad I'm not the only one who sweats over this kind of thing.
@@RushedAnimation Thank you! Yea, it's a lot of work, but I'm looking forward to seeing what will happen once it's published and book two is getting started. I love telling stories, and I'm genuinely hoping that people will enjoy the series. I wish you all the best with Blackcoats, I'm definitely adding it to my TBR.
@@unitedfools3493 Eh, I was a double major in college. I'd write literature class papers while listening to documentaries on history subjects for research. I've always been able to do that, though. 😅
The legend has returned
yesss, I'm so glad you uploaded today. I like to listen to your videos while I work. I think they make me smarter :P
One thing I never expected to see in 2022 was someone dropping a Doctor Insano clip into a video. Bravo sir.
I can understand that is seems odd that she would just immediately realize it's all wrong, but I get it. As someone raised in a cult, learning it is all a lie is literally like flipping a switch. You just can't go back, even if your brain wants to go back to what's comfortable.
just found out that you don't make your videos full time, i have to say all your videos are a magnificent feat krimson, big thanks and keep it up!
Yes, another long review!!! I’m being fed today 😻😻😻
I am jealous of the sheer volume of volumes you have in your library
Great Review! Great Story! Thank you so much!
I like Greene's content and even before this I was intrigued by the premise of his novella. Not the same thing, but kinda reminded me of that episode of the Clone Wars where Anakin and Asoka teamed up to solve a murder and the vibe felt very noir and pulpy. In any case, you are definitely my favorite booktuber here.
that was a pretty good episode. I miss clone wars, do you watch bad batch? is it good?
@@jamesmalik3355 I did. It definitely wasn't bad, but you can tell it was made under Disney
Always happy when you post your reviews! And I am also happy you wear pants.
Really like the long form content from krimson giving both the positives and negatives
He's back!
Oh shit, a red vs blue reference! Thank you so much for including it, caught my attention even more
Ah, the Rogue of Krimson still lives!
Must this blessing shield you from the wrath of the Holy Ones & Zeros.
I'm sorry, but I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT when your cats come into the camera and wants your attention. X3
God, I am so glad to see you tear into Aftermath, I can't wait for that one.
here before youtube finishes making this a watchable resolution lmao
God, i miss Spoony.
Great video as ever
Woo! I can’t believe I missed this when it can out.
If you're reviewing Daniel's book, Krimson, would you be willing to review one of Jenna Moreci's books? 👀
As far as Jenna is concerned, Eve: The Awakening never existed 😐
@@RushedAnimation Oh really, that's what she said? Lol Sounds like Krimson definitely needs to review it now 😂 I've heard mixed things about her Saviour series so I'd love to hear Krimson's thoughts too lol
I’ve heard such mixed things about her books that I’m not even remotely interested. Any large booktuber will have sycophantic fans who love everything they do no matter what. So considering that, with how the reviews overall sound mediocre, at best, with those sycophants, I just can’t find it in myself to be interested. And that was before I watched a bunch of her videos and found her to be abrasive and offensive and insulting other writers for being incompetent if their characters start taking on lives on their own since her view is a writer should be so in charge that characters can’t do that or else you’re a dumbass. That reeked to me of someone who would prefer to be in such tight control that characters aren’t allowed to evolve during the writing process.
Ayy, new Krimson Rogue book review! Don't have time to listen to it yet, but the algorithm must know.
Krimson mentioned Critical Drinker O.O It was so unexpecting that I'm waiting now for cats living with dogs and mass hysteria ;).
Hey, a reference to prosopagnosia! I actually have that myself and some of my stories involve characters with it. While it'd be an interesting trait for Chapman to have, it wouldn't have the same impact as him not remembering the names of the officers. Him not bothering to remember their names (at least that's the impression I get from just watching the video, haven't read the novella) shows a lack of interest, or perhaps him thinking, "This is insignificant, I'm not going to waste brainpower on it." Prosopagnosia wouldn't stop him from remembering names if he actually wanted to. His reactions would probably be more along the lines of, as an example if this was how he identified people, "Uh, shoot, I THINK that's Smits but he doesn't have his pipe out and that's what I usually recognize him by, so I'm really not sure." So, while that could make for good reactions, it would give a far different vibe than him seemingly not caring about the officers' identities.
Great review and video! Love the Psych clips. =)
Enjoyed this video. I'm hoping to see you review more indie/Nanowrimo writers in the future. If you are taking suggestions or samples I'd be hyped to send you my first two novella.
Love your content I need more I will take anything
@KrimsonRouge First of all your hair is awesome; secondly thank you for wonderful analysis - you have kept me company through some lonely period and thirdly your book recommendations are “fire”
You talking to your big boy is how I talk to my dog who's also on a diet and I normally need to trim his nails for scratching me. Good luck with the diet.
My favorite first line was from Terry Pratchett =
**In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.**
"If I wanted to start drama I'd review Linkara's books."
Bold of you to assume you can just drop a statement like that on us and don't expect people to ask for said reviews in the near future.
Bold of you to assume that his statement drop is not foreshadowing (I hope)
Hell of a deep dive. I had many of the same issue with the book, plus ones you didn't mention. I think character is the biggest problem. Beyond the elements of dialog and action you mentioned, there is no subtext whatesover. Working through book 2 at the moment and while it feels like an improvement, albeit a small one, it seems to expand on the issues I had with book 1.
I’m still learning about this ‘book tube’ thing
Now, I want krimson to review linkaras angel armor books.
I'd love to see him rip into those.
@@Zorovee I like to see his reaction to Linkaras self insert and the amount of sex he put in his book. Which makes the comparison between Linkara and chris chan not to fair off.
Only stuff I've read of Linkara's is Lightbringer, how is it compared to that?
@@aaa1e2r3 I think Lightbringer is less edgy, but I havent read much of it. From what I know, those two series exist in the same universe
@@aaa1e2r3 If you're familiar with the anime trope "Harem" , "Overpowered protagonist" and "Isakai" it's in there. It's basically the entry of the book.
I may be slightly biased as an Indie Author who made the list (SQUEE!!!) but I think it would be really cool to see that video where you cover multiple Indie authors and give your thoughts on those books. It would be really awesome to see your thoughts on some positive book experiences that you had as well! I love your long format reviews of course but it would be neat to showcase a bunch of Indie Authors and give them some love too.
that Psych short scene, gold!
Heeey I also have that Deadpool shirt haha. Great shirt and great video! Love your content.
Oh an hour long Krimson video we're eating good today
I am glad to see a new upload.
(As a petty person, I was hoping this would be a scathing review, not because I know the author, but because I love the bad book reviews the most, they provide endless entertainment to me, I genuinely want Handbook For Mortals 2 to manifest into existence, and Onision to finish his next book, solely for you to review.)
It has a very intriguing cover.
Don't worry, the next review will be awash with mockery.
Dude could you do the Percy Jackson books I would like your take since the new show is coming out
I'll probably do something for that when the show comes out.
Thats a great idea i recently finished book 1 and just got into book 2 and would love a second opinion possibly multiple.
THE PSYCH SCENE!!! THANK YOU FOR THAT
I love that you're a Psych fan!
29:13 alright, that's it, you became my favorite booktuber with this editing. (I would like to know the source of this.)
Lol, thanks. The clip in question is from the ASDFMovie series. Episode 7, if I recall correctly, but I'm not sure.
I am of the opinion that people shouldn't use direct names from 1984. It's too obvious in it's attempt to invoke dystopia, like having your caped, paragon type superhero be called Hyperman or Uberman.
I can take it a bit better in fantasy worlds like this one but I get doubly annoyed when it happens in settings that are supposed to be the future of our world. That was one of my issues with the generally very good Babylon Five; if a government is trying to set up a tyranny without anyone noticing until it's too late to stop the last thing they're going to do is use language from the most well known book about tyranny.
You'd swear people forget 1984 is also a romance due to popular culture, too
@@sirosagaming8228 Eh, for a given value of romance. Winston and Julia's relationship has more to do with their situation than each other.