gold actually also reflects a bunch of red light IRL and to get a more convincing gold material when im working in game engines and blender I will make it so that the material reflects with a red tint among a few other things. what I'm wondering is if you could get an even more realistic gold by using like an orange and a little red ink rather than just orange
Yep, retributor looks a lot nicer. I’d be less salty if he didn’t say the others weren’t as good. Calling it “the best” for some mid gold is wild. Could’ve said “I found a nice new gold” lol
I love that people keep rediscovering these things the old grognards worked out in the past because all the old forums and bulletin boards and magazines are no longer easily accessible.
Try putting down the Silver ink, THEN going over it with ANY speedpaint. Yellow or orange for gold. Colors for colored metallic. I have basically thrown away all my metallic paints after finding this out. PS. make sure your prime with matte BLACK before putting down the silver ink. It just looks much better.
@@FrozenThrog that last tip I've heard before from a pro-painter on CZcams. A gloss coat will help break the surface tension and let your wash seep into cracks easier and stain less. Though I haven't tried it because it seems like a lot of effort to prevent coffee staining....
And if you leave a little black peaking through it makes for a rich metal flake candy look when you hit it with transparent paints or inks like the createx candy 2o line
This is the cheat code for two things: Colored metallic, and speed paints A single drop of colored in into silver or gold ink/paint will give you beautiful colored metallic without dilutions the mica or flakes used. The key to speed paints is ink over acrylic paints because of the behavior you want out of your medium/flow aid mix. This is a great video
I've been looking into airbrushing/these inks ever since the tzeencth video, your sandstone necrons got me into painting to cope with chronic tinnitus, way to go Midwinterminis!
Only problem I have with this is the metallic inks, the metallic pigments in them are massive so they always come out looking glittery rather than smooth metal
@@ikerzabala466 I prefer the Vallejo Metal Color range, hands down the best acrylic metallics on the market, I was just commenting regarding the use of metallic inks.
Excited to see you post more shorts like this involving painting tips from your videos condensed for people to see! Maybe you should make a short of the Midwinter Medium for those who missed it.
I prefer ProAcryl metallics from Monument Hobbies, they even have a metallic medium that let's you use any of their colors to create your own metal color like you are showing, but cool idea.
@DismemberTheAlamo True. Vallejo are also notoriously inconsistent in sheen, viscosity, opacity, adhesion, and airbrushabilty from color to color and product groups. They work, but there are better acrylics now. I got rid of all my Vallejo paints after using ProAcryl. Proacryl are noticeably better in every way. Just my opinion.
@DismemberTheAlamo Medium is still paint, just without coloring pigments added. My point was Vallejo is subpar. Having it on the market for longer than another competitor doesn't provide value to the painter. That is merely a bullet point for the marketing team. Truly, I don't care what you use. Use what you like. My point in my original post was mediums exist, like Vallejo or ProAcryl offerings, that do a better job of what the OP was trying to show using silver and ink. Inks can be reactivated. Using a medium doesn't have that problem. Use what you want. You do you.
Sorry, I hate to say this, but I must critique First, brown makes the gold look like cheese. Use orange ink instead Second, don't mix it. Layer it. Two thin layers of silver, them a layer or two of orange ink, give it a flesh shade or brown shade, and violá.
Watching oldschool miniature enthusiasts learn that you can mix paints instead of acquiring 30 bottles of slightly different pigments for one figure is so precious.
I think it's depends on the taste of how "gold" would you like "your gold" to be. Mine would be glossy silver -> couple clear orange coat. Not TOO goldy-goldy-blingy but very deep rich gold feeling.
My favorite gold, that I can't get anymore, is the old Balthazar gold from citadel. They changed the recipe a while back adding more red pigment to make it more bronze instead of the strong dark gold before.
I'd alternatively recommend using Vallejo metal colours, then applying a yellow orange azo ink and then a thinned down transparent burnt sienna for the recesses.
My technique is much different but I like the deepness it provides. I do bronze base coat, then burnished gold as a 90% coverage dry brush. Then finally shining gold as a highlight. It's mostly dry brushing, so it's quite easy, but gives a bit of dimension.
I just use Testors enamel for my metallics, it looks a lot more realistically metallic in my experience. Their dark red metal flake also looks killer on Word Bearers armor.
One of the rules of any art that I learned is that anything labeled gold is usually a bunch of bull Scheisse on its own . It’s way better to either mix it with something else or use other colors.
my to go silver recipe is usually - duraluminium by vallejo - brownish yellow ink - reflexive yelllow and to boost it - yellow gold metallic pigments ;)
Yeah, no. I don't know, this is kind of a trend that's been popping up more and more recently (I know it's been around for a long while, I mean moreso in the CZcams sphere) of mixing silvers with inks or contrasts and it just, doesn't work. It doesn't look that great in this video and though I've seen some okay or even good enough results from the method before, I feel as though just buying a $5-10 bottle of any other quality gold paint that I don't need to color match every time I want to revisit an army will do just fine.
The best gold is definitely GSW gold pigment, you only need that with the gold of vallejo metal colors and thats the very best gold. You can actually see it in action in one of the vincent venturella videos here in YT
That doesn't look like gold. Gold doesn't tarnish. The way the brown pooled in spots on the miniature, it looked like tarnish or rust. If you were trying to represent brass or steel, that could work. But gold color representing actual gold should be more uniform as it doesn't rust or tarnish. It's a fundamental property of gold that is at the top of the list of reasons it's so valued and desired.
This can be used with tons of other colored inks to gets all sorts of metallics as well. I've been doing this myself for a while and there's tons of benefits to doing this way.
I think a company also makes a similar golden acrylic ink pot. I've got a few I use for different metals they also run incredible in air brushes for quick army painting in said colors ❤
I hate gold everything, so this is great. Vallejo liquid silver is probably basically the same thing as this ink. Just use a brush you're not a fan of, it's gonna get wrecked and it takes IPA to SORTA try to reverse the damage done by the flakes drying in the bristles.
Just get Vallejo Metal Colours, they are basically the same thing but you don't have to mix all metal colours. The range is a bit limited, so you do need to do some mixing to get good tones, but it's well worth it. Easily the best acrylic metallic paints out there.
Nice I actually like to do a nice chrome base with zealot speed painter or something close to it contrast paint come out with a dull gold shine its really nice
Retributor is awesome, i am good. Overall i think there are two ways of painting minis, the ''realistic'' approach, with shadows and trying to paint like the real world. and the GW approach, great visibility a bit computer/cartoon optic but not much. i learned i prefer the later a lot, its just nice to look at i dont know why. And citadel colours are just the best in that regard imo.
Yesterdat I was painting some Star Wars Legion Droidekas. Drushbrushed silver (three different shades, took a while lol) and then Flesh Tearers Red and Gor Grunta Fur for the reddish-bronze metallic yet slightly matte finish. Looks incredibly and it's so easy. I genuinely think silver with a contrast coat is the absolute best way to do coloured metals.
Tbh I think it looks pretty grainy, like a glitter bomb went off. I suspect the silver ink you've used is made with pretty coarsely ground mica flakes. I think you would probably get a better result with a paint that uses finely ground aluminum like Vallejo Metal Colour Silver.
I don't like how this looks personally but I've done similar things with silver paints. Mix some Chainmail Silver from Vallejo with some Terradon Turquoise Contrast and you can make some really cool green metallic armor
Try orange ink. You'll get a wonderful rich warm gold.
I've noticed paints like Retributor Armor seem to have more of an orange or deep amber pigment when the mica settles in the pot after a long time.
And if you know your colors, you know orange is just a really bright brown technically. So that's why it works.
gold actually also reflects a bunch of red light IRL and to get a more convincing gold material when im working in game engines and blender I will make it so that the material reflects with a red tint among a few other things. what I'm wondering is if you could get an even more realistic gold by using like an orange and a little red ink rather than just orange
Gold is actually extremely yellow in its purest form. Even more so than the color he created!
@@Bl4ckD0g Or really, brown is just dark orange with context.
Definitely recommend orange ink over brown/sepia, that gold looked way too cheesy in color
I'm kind of confused, what kind of ink are we talking about here? Like pen ink?
@@Ownedbydeath Artist’s ink.
@@Ownedbydeath acrylic ink.
@@Ownedbydeath things like contrast paint and vallejo ink washes. Not as opaque or flat as regular colours, mixes in to silvers a little better
@@Ownedbydeath squid ink
Maybe it looks better IRL, but I’m gonna be honest a basic coat of ret armor looks better. Cool trick though, thanks for sharing it!
Don't forget Midwinter is actually partly colorblind so his tint may look good to him but is off to everybody else. Still the technique is sound.
@@HeadCannonPrime I'm red-green color blind, same as Guy, and it looks bad for me too
Yep, retributor looks a lot nicer. I’d be less salty if he didn’t say the others weren’t as good. Calling it “the best” for some mid gold is wild. Could’ve said “I found a nice new gold” lol
No accounting for taste I guess
This looks worse than the cheapest army painter metal.
I love that people keep rediscovering these things the old grognards worked out in the past because all the old forums and bulletin boards and magazines are no longer easily accessible.
Try putting down the Silver ink, THEN going over it with ANY speedpaint. Yellow or orange for gold. Colors for colored metallic. I have basically thrown away all my metallic paints after finding this out.
PS. make sure your prime with matte BLACK before putting down the silver ink. It just looks much better.
Came here to say this exact thing. I hope more people try it because it works so well.
@@FrozenThrog I don't see how the gloss would help and you don't really see gloss primer. I only ever use gloss for applying decals.
@@FrozenThrog that last tip I've heard before from a pro-painter on CZcams. A gloss coat will help break the surface tension and let your wash seep into cracks easier and stain less.
Though I haven't tried it because it seems like a lot of effort to prevent coffee staining....
And if you leave a little black peaking through it makes for a rich metal flake candy look when you hit it with transparent paints or inks like the createx candy 2o line
Ive heard basing in a bright silver metallic first then using a contrast or dye will make a metallic of most colors you use
This is the cheat code for two things: Colored metallic, and speed paints
A single drop of colored in into silver or gold ink/paint will give you beautiful colored metallic without dilutions the mica or flakes used.
The key to speed paints is ink over acrylic paints because of the behavior you want out of your medium/flow aid mix.
This is a great video
I also recommend this for necrons, if you base the model in a metallic, using contrast paints you can quickly and easily tint the metallic color
I've been looking into airbrushing/these inks ever since the tzeencth video, your sandstone necrons got me into painting to cope with chronic tinnitus, way to go Midwinterminis!
I've used metallic sharpies before, turned out pretty good.
It honestly looks better wet before it even dried
Only problem I have with this is the metallic inks, the metallic pigments in them are massive so they always come out looking glittery rather than smooth metal
Use vallejo model air silver, model air steel, model air chrome or model air auluminium
@@ikerzabala466 I prefer the Vallejo Metal Color range, hands down the best acrylic metallics on the market, I was just commenting regarding the use of metallic inks.
Excited to see you post more shorts like this involving painting tips from your videos condensed for people to see! Maybe you should make a short of the Midwinter Medium for those who missed it.
What you think about "liquid gold" from valeijo?
I prefer ProAcryl metallics from Monument Hobbies, they even have a metallic medium that let's you use any of their colors to create your own metal color like you are showing, but cool idea.
Vallejo has had a metallic medium for ages
@DismemberTheAlamo True. Vallejo are also notoriously inconsistent in sheen, viscosity, opacity, adhesion, and airbrushabilty from color to color and product groups. They work, but there are better acrylics now. I got rid of all my Vallejo paints after using ProAcryl. Proacryl are noticeably better in every way. Just my opinion.
@@KurtL1776 - but I wasnt talking about their paint, I was literally referring to their metallic medium
@DismemberTheAlamo Medium is still paint, just without coloring pigments added. My point was Vallejo is subpar. Having it on the market for longer than another competitor doesn't provide value to the painter. That is merely a bullet point for the marketing team. Truly, I don't care what you use. Use what you like. My point in my original post was mediums exist, like Vallejo or ProAcryl offerings, that do a better job of what the OP was trying to show using silver and ink. Inks can be reactivated. Using a medium doesn't have that problem. Use what you want. You do you.
Oh thank god someone else that makes gold out of silver and brown.. I thought I was just some mad scientist back when I played warhammer 40k
Am I the only one who thinks this looks awful?
Thank you , Guy .
Army Painter Hoplite Gold is the best one step gold. smashes most multistep gold paint jobs outta the park.
Reminds me of Jay's gold paint from EOB. He uses silver ink and orange paint.
That gold looks nice tho.
Vallejo metal color silver is my prefered silver for this, and then contrast/speedpaint over it
Nah I paid to much for retributor armour to bin it🤣
100% agree that all metallics should be done with silver + inks, metal has a complex range of colours and a few inks can really help replicate that
Dammit!......now I gotta run to hobby shop, lol. Thanks Bud!!!
Absolutely incredible
Clearly haven't used Vallejo Liquid Gold. It is miles above any other gold paint.
Super easy, barely an inconvenience. 😅
👍👍 yep, I saw Lyla Mev doing this with silver paint and orange ink, looked stunning 👌
I HAVE actually used my professional calligraphy supplies when I don't have a color I need, but I've never busted out my silver. Thanks!!
Pretty sure that the Emperor doesn't approve of any gold but the most gold of gold.
Sorry, I hate to say this, but I must critique
First, brown makes the gold look like cheese. Use orange ink instead
Second, don't mix it. Layer it. Two thin layers of silver, them a layer or two of orange ink, give it a flesh shade or brown shade, and violá.
Cool idea, I like to mix copper with chrome and later add orange and yellow washes. It makes very vibrant gold/brass
Thanks for sharing. I've been looking for a good gold (and silver for a while).
I picked some silver ink up on a whim a few years ago but it's been sitting on the shelf. I'll give this a go!
Watching oldschool miniature enthusiasts learn that you can mix paints instead of acquiring 30 bottles of slightly different pigments for one figure is so precious.
When on paper i used yellow with more shadow and orange for gold. Gave a better result than my goldpencil 😂
I think it's depends on the taste of how "gold" would you like "your gold" to be.
Mine would be glossy silver -> couple clear orange coat.
Not TOO goldy-goldy-blingy but very deep rich gold feeling.
My favorite gold, that I can't get anymore, is the old Balthazar gold from citadel. They changed the recipe a while back adding more red pigment to make it more bronze instead of the strong dark gold before.
This will be amazing for my custodes thank you for letting us know about this Trick
If you mix orange ink instead of brown you get a rich gold
If you get a needle applicator you can squeeze it into gaps and get gold trim.
It looks a bit green, but it's definitely something to experiment with!
I'd alternatively recommend using Vallejo metal colours, then applying a yellow orange azo ink and then a thinned down transparent burnt sienna for the recesses.
yea, its one of those things where the color isn’t what its names after
For me, the best metallic paints are the Scale ones
My technique is much different but I like the deepness it provides. I do bronze base coat, then burnished gold as a 90% coverage dry brush. Then finally shining gold as a highlight. It's mostly dry brushing, so it's quite easy, but gives a bit of dimension.
Ya know, this is kind of how jewelry is made.
Retributior armour solos
Please do more of these
add a glaze medium to make a contrast effect
I just use Testors enamel for my metallics, it looks a lot more realistically metallic in my experience. Their dark red metal flake also looks killer on Word Bearers armor.
One of the rules of any art that I learned is that anything labeled gold is usually a bunch of bull Scheisse on its own . It’s way better to either mix it with something else or use other colors.
My lazy self just airbrushing gold onto my miniatures.
that does look lovely
great tip for any painting
my to go silver recipe is usually
- duraluminium by vallejo
- brownish yellow ink
- reflexive yelllow
and to boost it - yellow gold metallic pigments ;)
Revells gold is amazing
Yeah, no. I don't know, this is kind of a trend that's been popping up more and more recently (I know it's been around for a long while, I mean moreso in the CZcams sphere) of mixing silvers with inks or contrasts and it just, doesn't work. It doesn't look that great in this video and though I've seen some okay or even good enough results from the method before, I feel as though just buying a $5-10 bottle of any other quality gold paint that I don't need to color match every time I want to revisit an army will do just fine.
Incredible Tip! Thank You!
The best gold is definitely GSW gold pigment, you only need that with the gold of vallejo metal colors and thats the very best gold. You can actually see it in action in one of the vincent venturella videos here in YT
That doesn't look like gold. Gold doesn't tarnish. The way the brown pooled in spots on the miniature, it looked like tarnish or rust. If you were trying to represent brass or steel, that could work. But gold color representing actual gold should be more uniform as it doesn't rust or tarnish. It's a fundamental property of gold that is at the top of the list of reasons it's so valued and desired.
This can be used with tons of other colored inks to gets all sorts of metallics as well. I've been doing this myself for a while and there's tons of benefits to doing this way.
Retributor armour looks better... but still a nicht trick
I think a company also makes a similar golden acrylic ink pot. I've got a few I use for different metals they also run incredible in air brushes for quick army painting in said colors ❤
I hate gold everything, so this is great. Vallejo liquid silver is probably basically the same thing as this ink. Just use a brush you're not a fan of, it's gonna get wrecked and it takes IPA to SORTA try to reverse the damage done by the flakes drying in the bristles.
Good way to make any color metallic. Also, just paint on the silver then use inks on top to keep the metallic look with any paint job you want.
More sorts! I’ll definitely be trying this
The Vallejo alcohol based gold it's the best gold, because it's made with actual gold chips
Just get Vallejo Metal Colours, they are basically the same thing but you don't have to mix all metal colours. The range is a bit limited, so you do need to do some mixing to get good tones, but it's well worth it. Easily the best acrylic metallic paints out there.
Nice I actually like to do a nice chrome base with zealot speed painter or something close to it contrast paint come out with a dull gold shine its really nice
This is incredible. I'll have to try this. Thanks!
Vallejo aluminium spray primer + Nazdreg yellow contrast paint is my go to, to dull it down, just extremely lightly dry brush it with gun metal.
add some airbrush thinner to the mix, apply over a zenithal and you get an effect similar to metallic contrast!
I really like the pro acryl one followed by a satin varnish. I have to see this in person but i feel like mine looks pretty amazing
Or true metal from AK Interactive. Can be even polished.
If you want your modem to look like a shelf trinket sure.
@@livanbard hmm I must try that.
Orange ink on metallics works as well
Looks more like brass than gold, the way you mixed it.
Could you show a side-by-side comparison?
That thing looks rich!
I quite liked the effect of silver and yellow sped paynt on the top
I have a whole drawer of this brand of ink... I had no idea it could be used for miniatures.
I mean it does make sense. Brown is simply a dark orange, and silver is a light green. Green+ Orange = yellow
You could also paint the model silver and use yellow ink over the silver (not mixed with) and create what's know as candy paint
The best gold paint is the one I already bought
Thanks Trovarion!
Before the wash I thought I saw dwarven golem from Skyrim?
The Dahler Rowney ink is nice, but it reactivates with anything water based.
You missed out saying it goes on like “liquid gold”
Really cool effect.
I really like Greenstuffworld's gold pigments.
Retributor is awesome, i am good.
Overall i think there are two ways of painting minis, the ''realistic'' approach, with shadows and trying to paint like the real world.
and the GW approach, great visibility a bit computer/cartoon optic but not much.
i learned i prefer the later a lot, its just nice to look at i dont know why. And citadel colours are just the best in that regard imo.
I needed to see this 2 days ago😅
Yesterdat I was painting some Star Wars Legion Droidekas. Drushbrushed silver (three different shades, took a while lol) and then Flesh Tearers Red and Gor Grunta Fur for the reddish-bronze metallic yet slightly matte finish. Looks incredibly and it's so easy. I genuinely think silver with a contrast coat is the absolute best way to do coloured metals.
Tbh I think it looks pretty grainy, like a glitter bomb went off. I suspect the silver ink you've used is made with pretty coarsely ground mica flakes. I think you would probably get a better result with a paint that uses finely ground aluminum like Vallejo Metal Colour Silver.
Orange on gunmetal is good for that worn look.
You got me using the silver ink. Incredible
Very nice, will make use of this
Speedrun custodies army any% when?
This works great to make gun metals and brasses too
Great tip!
I don't like how this looks personally but I've done similar things with silver paints. Mix some Chainmail Silver from Vallejo with some Terradon Turquoise Contrast and you can make some really cool green metallic armor